54mm Portafilter Explained | Breville Barista Express

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КОМЕНТАРІ • 91

  • @Josiah_Cornett
    @Josiah_Cornett 2 роки тому +4

    I think there is a very significant and important reason to remove it as well! Water and coffee can get trapped under the plastic disc!! That’s a major design flaw on Breville’s part. I just got my machine and was wondering what the point of the plastic was. I found this video immediately and decided to take it out. Found grossness already under it! Glad for your video 😃

    • @ryansmurda1552
      @ryansmurda1552 Рік тому +1

      Same here. Just got mine today and wondered what the purpose was. I took mine out also.

    • @Josiah_Cornett
      @Josiah_Cornett Рік тому +1

      @@ryansmurda1552 congrats on the new machine!! It’s been such a fun, coffee filled, year for me since I got mine! Enjoy!

  • @chrisbested8642
    @chrisbested8642 4 роки тому +6

    Thanks for this video! I removed the plastic disk from my portafilter and I think it's improved things for a number of reasons, not necessarily related to the quality of the espresso. I usually warm my machine up properly, so the benefit you suspect the disk provides was redundant on me anyway. It has had an unexpected improvement in a couple of other areas that used to frustrate me about this machine.
    1. Always wondered why the weight of the grind would be be inconsistent, even though the grind setting is the same. It turns out the variable weight was not because of the grind volume, but because trapped water under the plastic disk was affecting the weight of the portafilter. Problem solved there!
    2. After washing and drying my portafilter, when carrying it back to the machine it would almost always keep dripping water (typically on the floor) which it does no longer. Another problem solved!
    There is also the additional benefit of knowing my portafilter can be properly cleaned. When I removed the disk, there was a year worth of coffee scum build-up which must have been tainting the output somewhat.

    • @HoonsCoffee
      @HoonsCoffee  4 роки тому

      Great tips!

    • @ggivensjr
      @ggivensjr 3 роки тому +1

      Don't forget to clean the group head screen. Also, I have never had the plastic piece out of the Breville portafilter but I make sure to rinse my portafilter good with hot water and sometimes remove the spout to make sure to clean the threads. That said, I am going to buy a 54mm bottomless portafilter so I can make sure my shots aren't channeling. Thus the plastic bottom in the Breville portafilter will be one less variable to concern me.

    • @JD-fx1np
      @JD-fx1np 3 роки тому

      @@ggivensjr I just ordered a bottomless, 54mm

    • @JD-fx1np
      @JD-fx1np 3 роки тому

      Yes I think you're right. I'm going to relive it next time. I noticed a weight discrepancy I think. Maybe it was trapped water. I usually purge in between shots tho. Right now I'm wondering why I'm getting a 3 to 1.
      Like 16g coffee dose in and 50g dose out

    • @chrisbested8642
      @chrisbested8642 3 роки тому +1

      @@JD-fx1np I gave up on the automatic water flow meter. It's very unreliable on my machine. Get yourself some of the Amazon cheapy scales and then you can control the water output precisely by stopping the flow when it's at the correct weight.

  • @adamberger2268
    @adamberger2268 3 роки тому +2

    Thank You Hoon! I have learned so much watching many of your videos. I have now learned and perfected how to dial in and really take it up a notch and enjoy my espresso . You are a spokesman for the BBE. Glad to hear that you and your family have recovered. I am always learning by watching your videos.

  • @deividegarcia9433
    @deividegarcia9433 4 роки тому +2

    Great video about that plastic thing...I always wondered about it!

  • @ggivensjr
    @ggivensjr 3 роки тому +4

    Check this out about the Rancilio Silvia "Do you really have to wait 45 minutes in the morning before you draw the first shot or is there a work-around?
    BEST ANSWER: Actually yes more wait time is welcome. The wait time is mainly due to the thermal mass of brass this machine has. The boiler and group head is made of brass, and they get up to temp in around 30 minutes, the extra 15 is to get the brass portafilter and basket up to temp as well.
    Why? to simply make use of the brass! Ask yourself why did they use brass, and why higher end machines use brass and top end use copper? why not Aluminum or stainless? Simply because brass retains heat more than other types of metal, and the best is copper (which most HX machines do use). which means when you pull a shot the temp of water running from boiler to grouphead to portafilter should remain consistent till it reaches the grounds and out of the portafilter. Temp stability is vital to ensure proper extraction, cause you might have water in the boiler at right temp but until it reaches the grounds, if not brass/copper temp might drop dramatically.
    Wait time is to make sure all the parts are at the same temperature and so water will hit grounds and come out at the correct temp which will make your espresso taste far better.
    "
    BTW, the portafilter has no plastic insert.

  • @peanutcelery
    @peanutcelery 4 роки тому +2

    I thought it was for the pressurized filters so it wouldn’t splatter when it comes out but you may be right

  • @richterstitcher7936
    @richterstitcher7936 3 роки тому

    Yeah it’s out! Look forward to the difference it’ll make for tomorrow’s coffee! Thx for your help!

  • @mathiasjohnsenvinje
    @mathiasjohnsenvinje 2 роки тому

    Thanks! I didn't know it was possible to remove the disc. After trying my new Barista Express I could hear water under the plastic disc and it wouldn't go away. It kept water under the disc and kept it there until the next brew.

  • @thelooks1818
    @thelooks1818 4 роки тому +1

    Thank you, happy Friday!

  • @MarcesAurelius
    @MarcesAurelius 4 роки тому +1

    interesting, wanted to remove from my sister’s Express
    INFO
    Breville 58mm portofilter
    Bodum double wall
    Pre-heat cup
    Set temp 204°F (because of medium roast)
    Shot temp 163°F

  • @SuevanDort
    @SuevanDort 2 місяці тому

    I am having trouble fitting the portafilter into the gasket - it won't turn after slotting in? Could you perhaps explain what has happened?

  • @dessaipardestakreactions1094
    @dessaipardestakreactions1094 Місяць тому

    Filtr Basket is stuck and does not come out.. Can you please suggest how to take it out

  • @bicqtran
    @bicqtran 4 роки тому +2

    From a manufacturing stand point, adding the black plastic disc in the Porta filter increases the cost, and assembly complexity so there must be a very good reason to have it there, and for so long. I would not remove it though. Breville would be first to remove the disc and save millions of dollars.

    • @HoonsCoffee
      @HoonsCoffee  4 роки тому

      Great point!

    • @knipsi22
      @knipsi22 4 роки тому +4

      Yeah I just think 90% of the users don't even think of heating up the machine proberly. Without that plastic piece there would be a massive amount of complaints about cold espresso out of that machine. For us "enthusiast" users we can take it out and enjoy a full metal portafilter.

    • @pk4459
      @pk4459 4 роки тому +1

      You are 100% correct Bic. Like Hoon said in the vido, if you don't warm up your machine having that disc there helps the cup temperature. In these domestic level machines, probably 90% of people do not have time for a 30min. warm up. It's there for a very good reason for the vast majority of consumers.

    • @osammah
      @osammah 4 роки тому

      knipsi22 this is exactly was going to be my reply.
      Breville has officially said the plastic is for heat resistant (helps only those who don’t warm it up). Also, they said it’s to prevent splashing (but I think this only applies for pressurized baskets).

  • @lola-er6hh
    @lola-er6hh 4 роки тому

    Hi Hoon great vid, I'm going to try taking the plastic out of mine. I time my shots but am always unsure when to start timing with pre infusion.

  • @apexcapital1328
    @apexcapital1328 4 роки тому +3

    Finally got my Breville Touch calibrated after half a bag of beans haha. One of the problems I had was me tamping way too hard. Getting espresso to taste not bitter or sour was quite a challenge. I would never buy another Keurig pod again.

  • @wiltonowski5026
    @wiltonowski5026 4 роки тому +1

    Another great video, thanks! And thanks for asking my crazy questions about opening the Good Bro’s bags and the valve! I’m impressed that you took the time to respond!

  • @shokoku10
    @shokoku10 4 роки тому

    Awesome video my friend!! I did not know the plastic thing in the portafilter was removable. I will try it to see if it makes any difference. Have an awesome weekend!!😀😀😀

  • @yazandouleh9088
    @yazandouleh9088 2 роки тому

    You are awesome man, I like everything you present

  • @endlessocean1731
    @endlessocean1731 4 роки тому

    If you change the dosing, you have to change the grinder setting to keep dial in.

  • @yogawithandy
    @yogawithandy 4 роки тому

    Like your videos. Thank you.
    However, I don’t understand why you are always using the double cup option. I thought that the double button is for two cups.

    • @HoonsCoffee
      @HoonsCoffee  4 роки тому +4

      Double means double shot espresso. because, most people use double instead of single shot.

  • @basheerbritz2353
    @basheerbritz2353 4 роки тому

    Hi Hoon, i took out the plastic piece in my portafilter a few days after I bought my Breville Barista express. I flush my portafilter after i heated up my machine and it still retain the heat. I think the plastic piece is just to assist with the flow during extraction. Just my thinking.

    • @ebsanu
      @ebsanu 4 роки тому

      Yeah I was thinking that too. If you take out the basket and watch water go through the plastic hole you'll see it make a nice vortex. It's got walls around the hole that allow this. I think it's mostly to make the shot pull go on either side of the portafilter. That way it doesn't depend on your pull quality and you can expect to get the same amount on either side of the filter and split a double shot evenly between two shot glasses.

  • @wiltonowski5026
    @wiltonowski5026 4 роки тому

    Someone asked what you could do to “slow down the shot”. You answered correctly; two things. Change the grind and/or the amount of coffee in the portafilter. But another option is to change the Program setting to suite your tastes.

  • @osammah
    @osammah 4 роки тому

    I commented the below comment on a comment but thought it’d be helpful to write it separately:
    Breville has officially said the plastic is for heat resistant (helps only those who don’t warm it up). Also, they said it’s to prevent splashing (but I think this only applies for pressurized baskets).
    So for me, I removed it.

    • @HoonsCoffee
      @HoonsCoffee  4 роки тому

      Great tips!

    • @ggivensjr
      @ggivensjr 3 роки тому

      I don't know why it would be there for splashing? Bottomless portafilters don't use a plastic filter. I think it slows the flow of the pull for those who don't dose and tamp correctly. It's more a crutch than anything. How many coffee shops you see use a spout portafilter?

  • @alirezafarhangi7846
    @alirezafarhangi7846 3 роки тому

    Hi! Great videos thanks for sharing.
    At what setting do you set de grinder?

  • @schizonic1135
    @schizonic1135 3 роки тому +1

    How do you remove the basket without using any tools? I’m having trouble removing it

    • @HoonsCoffee
      @HoonsCoffee  3 роки тому

      I know what you mean. Message from Instagram. I can make a short video for you.

  • @ky0611
    @ky0611 Рік тому

    How many gram basket is the basket for the breville?

  • @alanh8101
    @alanh8101 2 роки тому

    Is there upgrade from this original porta filter cups to better ones, my single cup pressurizes keep choking and everything is cleaned…
    Alan H

  • @S.MESHAL
    @S.MESHAL 4 роки тому +1

    Hello Mr.Hoon sir I want to ask you after this experiment are you gonna continue using the plastic thing or not.

    • @HoonsCoffee
      @HoonsCoffee  4 роки тому +1

      I'm going to try leave it out for a while.

  • @stellas1389
    @stellas1389 Рік тому

    Can you share the link for the scale?

  • @montereycalifornia
    @montereycalifornia 4 роки тому +3

    Hi, Heat and plastic don't go together. It will leech in your shot and have bad health effects. Just do a little research on it, and you will see. So no plastic for me.

  • @philthyphil3324
    @philthyphil3324 3 роки тому +2

    Don't take this as negative, but I feel like changing the tamp pressure negates any change the plastic may have made. When testing things it's best to only change one thing at a time so you know what is causing the difference

    • @J1mmyFootr0n
      @J1mmyFootr0n 2 роки тому

      he changes it everytime in every video lmao. i noticed this shit too

  • @ederjaircruz8613
    @ederjaircruz8613 4 роки тому

    Ohh good point hoon.. thanks

  • @sirBadd
    @sirBadd 2 роки тому

    Why is my portafilter so hard to lock in. Feels like it’s always a struggle

  • @mariomendez4874
    @mariomendez4874 3 роки тому

    He do u know how to make the machine brew slower, this is the only issue I have

    • @PM-ik5vu
      @PM-ik5vu 3 роки тому +1

      Finer grind or harder tamp. Try that

  • @ahmedalyahya3561
    @ahmedalyahya3561 3 роки тому

    Is it ok if the plastic puece moves a little?

  • @quickdrawz05
    @quickdrawz05 2 роки тому

    I like this video!

  • @carolmaejamera2139
    @carolmaejamera2139 3 роки тому

    what do you call about that black plastic thing in that porta filter? Is there any store that sells a spare in case that plastic one is lost?

    • @HoonsCoffee
      @HoonsCoffee  3 роки тому

      I took mine off from the portafilter.

    • @carolmaejamera2139
      @carolmaejamera2139 3 роки тому

      is it okay to removed it? i notice that the flow of the espresso is not good and it wont stop unless you manually press the machine.

  • @anthonysalyer179
    @anthonysalyer179 4 роки тому

    Did you push and hold the double shot button for manual mode?

  • @elizabethspicer3952
    @elizabethspicer3952 2 роки тому

    Oh dear, I’m babysitting the grand dogs.
    Not getting pressure on their Breville express.
    I hope I didn’t break it.

  • @karenelliott3780
    @karenelliott3780 4 роки тому +1

    Hi Hoon, what was the name of the coffee machine that you mentioned you would probably buy at this time if you were in the market for a new machine? Thanks

    • @HoonsCoffee
      @HoonsCoffee  4 роки тому +2

      You mean Rocket espresso machine?

  • @ryanm6287
    @ryanm6287 3 роки тому

    Imagine doing all this, and then 50 years later, thinking wow, we accomplished, a lot.

  • @cristinadoreste2933
    @cristinadoreste2933 3 роки тому

    I have that same 54mm portafilter and my coffee is splattering all over. What can be causing that? I'm using 2 cup pressurized filter*

    • @HoonsCoffee
      @HoonsCoffee  3 роки тому

      Are you using the bottomless portafilter?

    • @cristinadoreste2933
      @cristinadoreste2933 3 роки тому

      @@HoonsCoffee no, I'm using the same one you are holding on the video but my machine is the Breville Bambino Plus. I bought it for esthetics (it's prettier than what the machine comes with but they told me it was compatible, same 54mm) I used it with the 2 cup pressurized basket 54mm. When I make my coffee with the other portafilter (the one the machine comes with) everything is ok.

  • @jeromerosario9563
    @jeromerosario9563 4 роки тому +1

    Do IMS precision 54mm basket fit in bottomless portafilter 54mm?

    • @HoonsCoffee
      @HoonsCoffee  4 роки тому +1

      I can't find the 54mm on the IMS website. If you have the link can you email it to me?

    • @knipsi22
      @knipsi22 4 роки тому +1

      Oh I don't think so. I bought non precision IMS 54mm and the rim is to wide. They would fit if you'd cut away part of the rim though. I just don't no how to do that correctly

    • @pk4459
      @pk4459 4 роки тому +1

      I really don't understand why IMS or VST don't make precision baskets for the 54mm market. Between Breville/Sage and Solis (Barista Perfetta Plus) there must a market there to make it worthwhile.

    • @pk4459
      @pk4459 4 роки тому

      @@HoonsCoffee www.imsfiltri.com/filters/competition/ I'm not quite sure what they mean by "Tamper", but they have 53 and 54 tamper sizes listed.

    • @andrewbelly
      @andrewbelly 3 роки тому

      hello, I found IMS competition filter and shower, do you want to know where? follow me, and write me in pvt. An Italian company produces it.

  • @JLondon951
    @JLondon951 4 роки тому

    I think my grinder is off I got a new burr

  • @ketoman4057
    @ketoman4057 2 роки тому

    Is there 54mm porterfilter for the breville dual boiler? I dont like the 58mm it comes with...

    • @sjorlando7282
      @sjorlando7282 Рік тому

      58 is better.

    • @ketoman4057
      @ketoman4057 Рік тому

      @@sjorlando7282 Thats what they say but when I use my Breville Barista Express (BE) and the 54mm I easily get a perfect pure honey pour. Not so with the 58mm in my Brevlile double boiler. I pack it tight, get the perfect pressure but half of the pour is black then comes the honey. The cheaper BE with the 54m gives me pure honey all the time. The 58mm seems to be a lot more stubborn and fussy and does not give the honey pour so easily.

  • @JLondon951
    @JLondon951 4 роки тому

    I’ve been using 20grams pre shot

  • @zenrun2913
    @zenrun2913 2 роки тому

    Just get a bottomless portafilter.

  • @rickseneris
    @rickseneris 4 роки тому

    I hate to say this, I think you are spreading irresponsible advice on removing the plastic temperature insulator as an option. The insulator was clearly explained in the user manual. If you haven't read it, I advice that you re-read it over and over again. Judging by the way you explain things, I know you are just a novice "barista" wanna be. As far as measuring the brewed coffee temperature, you could only measure it deep inside the portafilter or below the group head with a thermocouple not in different cups after a few seconds. Temperature of 140-150 degrees F is quite the norm and more comfortable to drink for most coffee drinkers. Also the espresso pressure should be as close as possible to 9 bars plus or minus 1-2 bars. Sorry to say it like it is.

    • @HoonsCoffee
      @HoonsCoffee  4 роки тому

      Thank you for the information Ricardo.