would love to. I need to start saving up a bit unless you can convince Rex Stover at Legion to return my phone calls and emails...
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@@OWNORDISOWN they definitevely should send you a review copy because your reviews are so informative and comprehensive..!
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@@OWNORDISOWN sent an email... Hope he'll Come thru.!
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@@OWNORDISOWN lol they were more than happy To send a review copy for a loan, but There was a slight misunderstanding and they were gonna send it To me :D
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Of course i rectified the misunderstanding... Lets see if they'll send that review unit To you now :)
Very nice thermal analysis, dual channel gives more FPS boost than overclocking, quiet mode n CPU undervolting is the way to go. HP omen fixed the CPU wattage with bios update last year, let's see if Dell addresses the issue or not
Thanks mate. That's good to know about the Omen. Yes, hopefully they will do a new BIOS otherwise ultra performance mode is wasted. Thanks for watching!
@OWNorDisown I have promised to you a tweaking review of my Dell G7 7790. So, here it is. Rig: 9750H, 2070 maxQ, 32GB dual channel (15-17-17....) 2666mhz, Evo plus 1TB. TWEAKS: CPU undervolt -150mv, GPU overclock: Core +200mhz, memory +800mhz, Kryonat repaste, cooling pads everywhere, cooling pad. Software run: Passmark performance test, Geebench 5, Cinebench R20, FutureMark (timespy & firestrike), PCMark. Results: All these programs were run on every step in order to see what impact each of the tweaks had. As you already have said the change from single to dual channel offers the biggest single most impactful alteration. Changing the NVME from a factory Toshiba to the EVO Plus had a similar effect with RAM in performance. After all replacement parts were installed I repasted the laptop and nothing changed thus far in the temp departmenT. The CPU would still hit 100c and the GPU 80c. Even though I have dressed the most important surfaces inside with the most expensive cooling pads for better heat conductivity to the metal bottom of the laptop. After all set and done, the single most important differentiator for the temps, as the extra channel for the performance, was the cooling pad! I didn't expect that! I thought the quality paste would offer at least a couple of degrees headroom but nada. When the cooling was in place the temps would go down as much as 20 degrees! I have used 2 different ones from Thermaltake. I come to the conclusion that the Notebook XL is the best amorg the 2 ( the other being the Ergo III). It seems that the cooling is what is needed for the rest of the tweaks to work efficiently. I suspect that what really helps isn't all that much the air inflow to the laptop that the pad achieves, but that now the laptop is elevated enough for the intakes to work as they are supposed to. The air intake design on this laptop is really poor. GAMES: Anthem, Shadow of the Tomb Raider, Total war: Three kingdoms. I will talk abou the FPS on the performance boost achieved. While playing games the temps almost never exceed the 85c on the CPU and 72 on the GPU, which is a 15-degree improvement on the CPU and a 8-10 degree one on the GPU. PERFORMANCE: In the end, as a result, the CPU performs 10% better than a stock 9750H, the hard disk performance is 35% better than the stock, the RAM is 35-40% faster than the stock and the GPU behaves like the full mobile RTX 2070. FPS is on average 10% more on these games. Moreover, in tests like CUDA (Geekbench) and machine learning that I am particularly interested my 2070 maxQ works like a 2060 SUPER. That is, even better than the mobile RTX 2070. Which translates to 15% improvement over the stock RTX 2070 maxQ,. And all of this while the laptop most of the time sits between 50c-60c in loads
I think just to be safe I would get the 240W power supply separately to ensure the laptop gets plenty of headroom and not worrying about battery discharge and current limit throttling.
I'm sure that will help somewhat, some one just reported that his G5 was repasted with liquid metal and it never goes over 85 degrees. I think the main issue though is that in ultra performance mode there is too many watts being pushed to the CPU. 70w when gaming takes a lot of cooling...
Great video, I ultimately went with the Alienware m15 because for the same price I was able to get 32GB memory and RTX 2060 with OC. My use case is running engineering simulations.
Great, video, I've been waiting for this. If people want to deal with the temperatures while gaming, simply run your CPU at a lower clock speed (3.0-3.2GHz) which can easily be set as a separate profile on Throttlestop. I've outlined the steps in a video, the CPU will simple never run cool running at 3.9GHz and 60W+
Does this lower the performance? Because I have a g7 with a 1060 and it has serious FPS drops which I think comes from overheating. It should work fine because it has great specs. I don’t think it’s because of dust because I use it on a desk
@@oliviaanderson1210 not at all, in fact it helps increase performance, the CPU and GPU share heat pipes, so when the CPU runs extremely hot, it causes the GPU to severely throttle it's clock speed. But when you downclock the CPU, the GPU can maintain high core clocks for much longer.
@@kakemboluide ive been doing this since couple months ago i should say that underclocking mobile CPU did help heat out from the lappy, heck even extended my battery live by locking my cpu to their lowest clock. the thing is idk of this method would broke my laptop or not..
Olive Majestic try GPU undervlting also, Stephen has a guide how to do this on his channel, also helps with CPU temps because they have shared heatpipes. kakemboluide I agree that decreasing clockspeeds can help sometimes, but why would you remove undervolting? It's something I'm unable to understand in your video
Much thanks for the video, I needed a detailed review on G7, especially concerning the thermals. I'm waiting on my G7 17 to ship, and this is my first experience with gaming laptops whatsoever so I'm quite unfamiliar with terms. I did some googling on my own and I found out that I can undervolt through Throttlestop, which helps reduce the heating. For 'single channel' and 'dual channel', though, I have no idea what they mean. Could you be kind enough to hint the basics? Also isn't overclocking the graphics bad for the sake of managing heat? (correct me if I'm wrong) +Would you recommend using the same Throttlestop settings for 9750? Thanks a lot.
The video is talking about dual channel memory as in 2x8 gb ram sticks instead of just a single 16gb ram stick. If you bought your laptop recently like from the Black Friday sales, there should be no issues as all new models of the Dell g7 have dual channel ram
Very nice review. Nice to see that this laptop performed similar to the aero 15x. For the price though, you might as well pay a little more to get a thinner aero 15x. If only the g7 was cheaper that way its more competitive. Hopefully you can also review razerblade rtx 2070 with some tweeks to see if it does any better in performance and cooling
Yes, the Aero 15 has everything I want , more storage than the 90 wh G7 too. I'll chase the Razer guy up, he said he would add me to his list for that one...
Sounds very nice, hopefully you do get a review unit for razer then. Razer still continues to be laptop I'm going to get and saving up for. Only predicament is to get either the rtx 2060 or rtx 2070 maxq model. I watched your video comparing these two and after your tweeks it seemed that rtx 2070maxq ran better and cooler but these are still two different laptops. I just need to know how much better the rtx 2070 maxq is than rtx2060 on the blade in terms of performance, cooling, and fan noise
I'm so glad I found your channel. U actually go into more detail about products than anyone else i have found. Just like with the Alienware 17r4 overheating and adding Thermal paste video. That's what I own and I greatly appreciate what u do! Thanks will definitely recommend your channel to anyone and everyone 👌
I love your videos! My 7590 is arriving on Friday and I was wondering if you know whether I should A) Purchase 2x8 GB RAM and replace both sticks, B) Purchase the cheaper 1x16 RAM and replace one stick, or C) Purchase 1x16 RAM and keep it as the only stick? I'm new to upgrading RAM so I don't really know much about this. Thanks in advance!
Thanks Samil ! If yours only has one stick of RAM I really recommend upgrading to two sticks. You can look around for aa matching stick (same speed, timings and voltage) or just buy a dual channel kit.
Thanks for the review. Thinking of getting the maxed out G7 over the m15 R2. The design choices for RAM not soldered on, WiFi not soldered on, ports on the back, larger battery option, number pad keys, and the G7 now has similar specs options as the m15 R2 and seems like the way to go. Thoughts and thanks.
Awesome videos mate. Just want to ask, if you're going to choose a gaming laptop that you think you can stick with for say 3 years which one would it be? Thank you.
Hi Stephen ,thank you very much for the review ,i thing is the best one for G7 out there. Can you please share the make and the model of the dual channel memory card that you installed. Link will be all so appreciated as am waiting for my G7 to arrive within 2 weeks time. All so do you know by any chance if swapping the memory card will compromise the warranty. Thank you in advance and looking forward to see you next review.
Is the screen; 144Hz version; the same as on the Alienware m15? I have read the screen is not as good on the G7 but lack any particulars. Refresh rate, color, brightness. Thanks for the full review. Like you I prefer design of the G7; the ports on the back, smaller bezels and flat color, less gamer design, the extended warranty is almost half the cost compared to the m15. What I don't like is only one SSD slot, comes with only one memory module so you have factor the cost to get dual channel memory. The price can be close to a similarly spec'd m15 though and I am not sure of the components quality in comparison to the internals of the m15. I ended up getting the m15 for the additional SSD slot and dual channel memory included in the price. I am still drawn to the G7 though. You have to get 2070 card to get the 90Whr battery option in the G7 with comes with 16GB single memory module, 512 SSD M2, for $2389 without discounts the similarly spec'd m15 with dual channel memory and I believe a better 512SSD M2 is $2589. The gap in price jumps when you get Dell Premium Support - $229 4 Years for G7, $560 for the same support on the m15! What does the m15 have that warrants the higher support costs? I would rather get the RTX 2060 in both as the additional $400 for the RTX 2070 MaxQ based on reviews and performance of the 2060 compared to the 2070. Unfortunately the options are limited on the G7 with the 2060 option when compared to the m15.
I must admit I have no idea why the m15 extended support should cost double the price, makes no sense to me...using my Spyder 5 pro the G7 measured sRGB 91% , adobeRGB 68% and brightness 340 nits. The m15 was 94% sRGB, 68% adobeRGB and 308 nits. Only a slight difference. I forget to take a note of the panel ID on the G7, they are similar for sure, at 25% brightness they both were at 88 nits so perhaps they are the same panel and just a variation in measuring.
I bought a g7-17 and it did not come with an aluminum body. Really good plastic. Very solid. Wondering if the went cheap in the larger version. I have noticed very low temps by elevating the back of the laptop by an inch. Even better on a laptop cooler.it allows unrestricted air flow to the fans.
I have a new G7 15 (7590) with OLED, RTX 2080 Max Q, i7-9750H, 16GBs RAM, and BC501 NVMe SK Hynix 512GB drive. My Time Spy benchmarks for this system are subpar. I am currently getting a Time Spy benchmark of 6983 in Performance mode. This is 634 lower than Alienware m15 R2 with the same components, and 724 lower than the Alienware m15 RI with a i7-8750H CPU and same GPU and OLED. In fact this benchmark is only a few hundred points higher than some RTX 2027 Max Q systems I tested. For an the additional $700 the RTX 2080 Max Q costs I expect similar results. I have updated all drivers and made sure the 2080 is used during the benchmark and ran them several times with similar results. I am at a loss and all I can think is the Alienware units had their CPU, GPU, and RAM overclocked from the factory. I left all settings as found when I did the testing. From the benchmarks I see the GPU Core Clock is as follows: G7 1755; m15 R2 1845; m15 R1 - 1815. The CPU's are as follows: G7 - 2600 - Turbo - 3994; m15 R2 - 2600 Turbo - 4192; m15 R1 2200 - Turbo 4091. My guess is the higher Alienware settings account for the higher benchmarks. Again for the extra $700 for the 2080 on the G7 it doesn't worth it unless I can change the settings to equal the m15 units. I will try this and see how it goes. Another item the OLED panel is calibrated and not as cartoonish and saturated as my original m15 R1 with OLED but the Red's are more of a Brownish Rust color? And once again I had to delete all the Killer Apps and just install the drivers so the network would work at the speed it should! I have had to do this for every Dell / Alienware system the past two years! I do like the keyboard and prefer the numpad, like the jacks on the back panel, keyboard lighting is a bit on the dim side but works, the fingerprint reader is working well for me, touchpad is responsive, battery life is all over the place while doing the same thing (stream netflix using the Intel GPU), have an issue with the screen going dim on battery or plug and even though the adjustment shows 100% it is really at 70% or less and requires a reboot, dimming the OLED less than 70% can make it to dark to see so you have to keep it pretty bright, Alienware Command Center same auto updates and issues as mentioned in most Alienware reviews, the system feels tight and well built, the keyboard can get HOT during normal use while the system is on balanced mode, the fans can get loud but they don't have the squeal the m15 R2 fans had and are ok to listen too.
Thanks, glad you liked it ! Quiet mode is fine for those who don't want to undervolt , know that in some games the temp will eventually get into the 90s, but not all games. If you are comfortable doing and undervolt then combing quiet mode with an undervolt will work a treat,
@@OWNORDISOWN I'm concerned if the laptop will last long. I'm not a gamer but I'm an Architect and Interior desinger. I use 3d programs, photoshop, illustrator, Indesign anda Autocad. Would that laptop last?
Yes, definitely. I have 3 laptops I am working on in tandem. I have done the bulk of my gaming tests and will try and live stream it on twitch tonight.
If you're a music producer/enthusiast you'll be pleasantly surprised to know that this G7 gaming laptop is actually perfect for music production. It comes with ASIO sound drivers as standard & works seamlesly with Ableton Live (cpu stays idle at 5% usage) alongside Omnisphere 2.6 with hardware integration support and other popular vst's without any lag or issues just ensure you choose DUAL RAM ideally 2x16gb sticks & you're good to go. DO NOT TRUST Latency Mon as a sound benchmark program, it sticks to the 1st core of the multi processor & gives misleading results. I am a music producer & I would advise those stuck on using macbooks to consider switching as windows machines are finally coming of age & Windows is by far more accessable than IOS.
Thanks for your input! I'm not a music specialist at all so appreciate your info. I have stopped using it anyway because it seemed to have issues with the RTX drivers which I didn't feel were accurate.
Hi, Can I ask your advice? A friend of mine plays the guitar and he is buying the Universal Audio Twin MKII Quad 2x6 Thunderbolt Audio Interface with UAD and wants to know what spec laptop is best for it. Any advice on what CPU and RAM amount he will need? I was going to offer him my Clevo P870TM with a desktop i7 8700k but is that over kill?
Hi there, basically any pc/laptop with an i7 processor or even i5 would be fine but for audio it’s all about space & freeing up the processor as much as possible. Key ingredients are dual channel 16gb ram min, ideally a 1 or 2tb hard drive 7200rpm, hybrid drives are good plus ssd but it’s life will be reduced by constant writes. When using DAW’s, make sure drive is defragged, internet & antivirus software off, in addition, a bit of overkill.. switch NVIDIA off if there’s a second onboard intel graphics card, intel to intel works great but nvidia dedicated gpu’s require some dependence on the cpu at all times but it may not be an issue. Choose ahci (think that’s the right abbreviation) over a raid setup, raid creates a bottleneck similar to single channel ram, hope this info helps, it’s more about how the pc’s set up than anything else.
The big plus for my Triton 500 with the 2080 max Q is that it has Gsync and you can manually switch to the intel GPU. At idle the fan doesn't spin at all . The turbo mode does help a bit too. Big downside is the inverted motherboard and for most people that means the G7 is the sensible choice because upgrading storage on the Triton is tricky. Probably the Helios 300 would make sense , my 1660ti one performs close to 2070 max Q at only $1200. Smaller battery at 59wh but still gets 5 hours. My review on that will be up on Thursday.
Great review! I recently purchased the G5 (9750H, RTX 2060, 16GBs ram, 144hz display) for $1250 USD brand new. Now I'm not sure if I should have bought the G7 instead of the G5 even though it was so much cheaper :/ Thoughts? What are the implications on performance when you undervolt it? From all your videos I can see that the total wattage drawn by the CPU lowers to ~40W, but I can't determine the real life performance difference vs when thermal throttled.
Thanks! That's a great deal. When it first came out they charged me $1800 and that was with a 60hz panel, one stick of RAM and no RGB keyboard. It pays to wait for price drops 👍
Trying to get advice from you Steven, Jarrod and Bob... And anyone else who wants to chime in; Would you go with an Alienware m15 r2 with 9th gen i7, RTX 2060, 16gb, 1tb SSD and 4k OLED display. 1 year limited hardware warranty. ($1820) -OR- Dell g7 17" with 9th gen i7, RTX 2070 max q, 16gb ram, 256 gb SSD / 1tb HDD and a 144hz IPS display. 4 year warranty / 4 year accident protection and 3 year battery warranty ($1720 USD). I currently have the Alienware m15 r2 model above. It runs good so far. Temps are actually good (I run games on quiet mode with -125 undervolt and CPU generally stays around 80c with occasional spikes high 80s. Not really any problems yet with it, but it's very expensive to extend warranty (to get 2yrs with accident protection it would drive the overall cost around $2300). I was sent a coupon from Dell after the purchase of the Alienware m15 for 15% off. Using that coupon alongside existing discount, I was able to get the above spec g7 17" fully covered under warranty for 4 years for less than the Alienware with it's base 1 year warranty. In addition I have a 2tb 2.5" Samsung SSD that I can add to the g7 17" to expand the storage. I love the OLED panel. I've never really used a high refresh screen. I know the Alienware m15 I got was a "good' one as temps are decent and no other issues so far. However, the lack of upgradability alongside the high cost to extend the warranty had me second guessing my purchase when, with the coupon I received, and much lower cost to extend warranty, I could conceivably get much more for my money... So with that information, what would you choose?
Yes, that extended warranty is very tempting . OLED is nice, do you use it for content creation work? I'm sure the 17" screen is fine and I must admit I prefer a 17" for video editing and gaming on. And you can never have enough storage...so yeah, the G7 probably
Thanks, glad you liked it! According to my Spyder 5 pro it's colour accuracy was slightly behind the rest , only by about 3 to 5% sRGB. Still a decent panel.
@@OWNORDISOWN thanks a lot for reply! Ordered g7 2070 144 G-sync version today from local Dell representative, for 1000 rubles (15 USD) they offer me 2x8 GB ram instead of factory 1x16, after watching this video I accept offer. Thanks a lot one more time!
Hi very good channel boss! You reckon dell G7 15 inch 240hz 16gb ram , 9750h intel i7 , rtx2070max q , 512ssd is worth for 1750aud? Its used , is it a good laptop and worth the every buck??pls let me know.
I was ready to buy the G5 when I saw your review and changed my mind. I want a RTX laptop to do live visuals and a stage can get pretty hot. A laptop with bad thermals might be a huge issue. I thought the G7 might be a better deal, but still, I'm not that confident. Any suggestions?
I think the Acer Triton 500 is a good option. Full review up on Saturday. Main concern is backlight bleed. I bought two units and both had it. One was workable but the other one was really bad. Thermals and performance top notch. It's a pain to upgrade but I ended up repasting it and it's super cool now👍
Thank you for an excellent, in-depth review of the machine, comparisons with the Aero 15-X 2070 Max Q (my other consideration) and sharing your optimal settings. I just picked up this exact model and this video is the most useful and informative. Your efforts are truly and greatly appreciated. I'm looking to pick up a secondary 16 gb RAM stick for improved dual channel performance, and added memory. Looking forward to more content from you!
I purchased this same build from dell for 2k flat a couple of days ago. I am now waiting for the delivery. I am not sure if I made the right decision by going with the 2070 max q and I am considering returning it for the 2060. The problem is that they do not offer the 144hz panel for the 2060 on the G7, only on the G5. What do you think? Should I compromise on the build quality to save a few bucks on the GPU downgrade or should I stick with the G7? Thank you for your time.
@OWNorDisown, dell NL is selling G7 17 (7790) i5 8300h / RTX 2060 for 1250 euro at the moment, would you think a i5 8300h would be maybe a better choice for gaming? (less cores = less to cool?). I am slightly worried about keyboard temperatures though after seeing your video.
That does seem like a good deal and it should run a bit cooler. The only time the keyboard got uncomfortably hot was when the CPU was running at 100 deg C, it was pretty bad then. But once I got the temps under control it was fine. My main concern right now is seemingly Dell is saying undervolting is against the warranty but I don't know how they can tell.
Excellent presentation....i am considering a G7 as a replacement for my long in the tooth XPS 15 L501X...bit of a dilemma for me on 15" vs 17"...any chance for a G7 17" review?...i guess thermals and quality of 144hz 17" panel may or may not be different? Also, i was not clear on the 'loose flimsy' screen surround?...are you saying there is a separate aluminum ring around screen bezel that is loose?...how is rigidity of panel otherwise? Thx!
I have had one viewer say his G7 17" ran much cooler . I have to buy these things and cannot afford to buy the 17", sorry! Around the edge of the panel there is usually a rubber strip , very narrow so when the screen is closed you don't get the plastic bezel touching the keyboard area. The one on the G7 rattled, it was loose, if I recall it felt more like plastic than the rubber on my Razer. It just felt cheaper. Glad you liked my review and thanks for watching!
I have the new G7 17, but is the i5 8300H and RTX 2060 version. It is slightly cooler than the i7, and not very difficult to cool it using throttlestop. My unit has the 60hz 300 nits screen and I am very happy with it. No bledding, good black level but may lack a little punch in colours. Dell keeps launching updates regulary. For the moment I am very satisfied, but it is true that I got it much cheaper than Steven (1.100€ in Spain). In this deal forum I posted many screenshots with my own test bit.ly/2TYiVA7 . It is in spanish but you can use google translator. Hope it helps.
Steve. There is something wrong with my gtx 1070. It is freaking hot, but it can do that vraybenchmark in 1:25. I am not using anything to overclock it. And now I am using conductonaut to put that heat on a leash. It was peaking 90C in some cases.
Trying to find information on where to download and how to use Throttle Stop to include GPU adjustments. I thought you mentioned putting a video up for this. Thanks
Hi OWNorDisown, have just bought my G7, almost identical in specs to the one you had here for testing except with the rtx 2060 - I'm essential new to... decent... laptops but am aware that I really should get another stick of 16gb RAM when I get the laptop, taking it to a dual-channel cap. of 32gb. But how do I go about this?, as long as the specs match am I fine to choose whichever brand? and what brand is the RAM that you put in to your G7 here in this vid? (if you've got a link that'd be great). Cheers...
Thanks, glad you liked my review ! You can check what RAM you have by installing CPU-Z and click on the SPD tab, it shows you all the details. You can mix manufacturers but you really want the speed and timings to match. I bought a dual RAM kit of 2 x 8GB and it worked great: amzn.to/2Ug5evy
I believe I showed my settings in my video. Whilst in Ultra Performance mode, change Speedshift EPP to 1, disable BDprochot, offset undervolt core and cache say 130-140mv. increase turbo time limit to 96 and chance multipliers to 37
This one exactly is on massive sale from where Im from. Would like to buy it but I want to learn how you did those tweaking cause obviously i dont want it to run on 100°c. Have you got a guide for that?
Do you reccomend to pick this one (with an rtx 2060 and 8gb ram, I'll add an extra 8gb stick myself for dual channel) or an alienware M15 (also rtx2060)? I really like the build quality (the build of a laptop is really important to me tbh) and the looks of the alienware , however the dell g7 is more affordable and the storage options are wayyyy better (alienware ships the basemodel with only a 256gb ssd, and other storage configurations up your already high price with an extra 200 bucks, and I'm buying from Europe so yeah with added taxes it's a nightmare haha) Note: if reallllyyy necessary I can undervolt the laptop a tiiiny bit I suppose, cause that i7-8750H is an untamable beast haha
I actually prefer the G7 over the m15. Its those big glossy bezels I don't like. Both run equally as hot. That quiet mode wasn't available when I had my m15. The big thing going for the m15 is the AMP port but if you don't need that then I say go for the G7. Keeping it cool is easy. Just follow my settings :)
Can you do a guide to the trottlestop and msi afterburner settings that you used in this video? I've been trying with trottlestop but it wont let me change any settings with my cores like you showed at 7:25 or if you could recommend me a video? Thanks :)
Ok so after about an hour of research I was abe to fix this. If you are seeing in throttlestop that you're "FIVR - Locked" update your BIOS to the latest version from Dell website. Then restart your PC and spam F2 to bios setup. Where it says default change it to factory. Then boot normally and reinstall throttlestop. Just posting this in-case someone was having the same issues as me. ^_^
Thanks for the video! Wondering why the G5 and G7 had such bad thermals by default if we don't adjust the CPU settings ourselves - is this just Dell being lazy? Or to put it in other terms, with other laptops if we cap their CPU frequencies + undervolt, would their temps all improve as dramatically as seen here? I've seen undervolting as a common method for lowering temps but not adjusting frequencies. Thanks again!
Thanks ! Dell pushes a lot of watts to the CPU when gaming, it only needs 45w (8th gen) to maintain boost and even less with the 9th gen but they push more, 60w was not uncommon. The G5 also had worse air intakes underneath vs the G7. Yes, lowering the CPU clock will lower the power needed to maintain that clock and since it throttles down anyway you don't lose anything )
@@OWNORDISOWN Cool, thanks for explanation! So glad I found your channel. Thermals for G7 was my biggest turn off but I loved the design - but seeing how easily it can be controlled makes it a strong candidate for my next laptop again. Keep up the awesome work!
@@OWNORDISOWN Have another couple of questions - would 9th gen CPUs be cooler? And also would having a gtx 1660 ti instead of an RTX 2070MQ also improve temperatures at all? Not an expert on computers unfortunately.
Very good videos, congratulations. I'm a little worried, I just bought a Dell G7 with the i7-9750h, RTX 2060 and 16Gb. All the videos about the G7 speak badly of the temperatures, the laptop arrives in a couple of days, how could I improve temperatures?
I have been quite surprised. I have been working a lot with solidworks with 3D renderings, designs and simulations, and so far it has worked great. Now I am starting to play a little, not very demanding games, although always the graphics to the maximum, and it performs great, it warms up a bit (Max 90 C or 194 F always with some jumps), but with an undervolt and external fans you can lower several degrees. On the other hand, I bought this model because I found an unsurpassed offer, but today I would buy the Lenovo Y740 instead. Although I don't think he regrets buying de G7
Hoping someone is still around to chime in. For my first gaming laptop would a good deal on a g7 2070 max q be good enough to run BF5 and other similar shooters? Kinda steered towards the 2070 laptop version because I want power, or do i ditch the Dell's altogether because they're hot as the sun
I have G7 7590- i7 9750h, GTX 1666ti, the 8gb Ram DDR 4, 2666Mhz and 128gb M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drive (Boot) version. I would like to upgrade the RAM to 16gb and m.2 SSD to 512gb. I am requesting you to help me with this. Can you suggest me the correct brand and model of RAM and appropriate m.2 SSD that are available in Amazon, newegg or best buy that fits correctly with the G7 7590? Is it possible to replace 1tb HDD with Samsung 860 QVO SATA SSD? Thanks, your response will be greatly helpful.
Hello, you mentioned that you get approx 5.5 hr battery life streaming UA-cam videos. I have the same G7 model (2070 MQ / 144 Hz / 90whr battery / 512gb Toshiba NVMe) but I can barely get 3.5 hours out of streaming with similar brightness settings. Can you tell me what adjustments you did to achieve this time ? I am already undervolting -150 CPU, power settings on balanced, alienware CC profile on "dell", with only apps opened for throttlestop, chrome, McAfee. Thank you.
I have battery saver on, in also went into the Dell settings, there is a battery optimize mode setting. I used that but changed brightness to 25% as I use that setting in all my tests. The key lighting should be off. Check CPU clock speed and power usage. I wouldn't expect anything higher than 1000 MHz really and 3 to 5 watts.
@@OWNORDISOWN Thanks for your info. For other UA-cam viewers who may be interested, I was able to stream UA-cam for ~9-10 hrs with the following settings. - Brightness to the 3rd/4th lowest level - Volume ~30 - Power saver mode - Dell Power Manager profile on Quiet - Throttlestop with ~150mv undervolt, speedshift @ 180, turbo disabled - No USB plugged in and no keyboard backlights - Control panel > hardware and sound > power options > edit plan settings > Advanced settings > ACHI Link Power Management - HIPM/DIPM on battery: Lowest (google around to see how this can be enabled on your computer) With that said, my videos were streamed without maximizing it was on autoplay, hence some videos are not graphically intensive. I also tried some basic productivity tasks with this setting (web browsing, basic excel, non-intensive multi-tasking) and don't notice much difference. Battery drain seems to be an issue when put into sleep. When shut down, the issue is not as bad but it is still noticeable (~2% one night)
Did you make sure the CPU fan was actually functioning?! In comparison to the GPU fan it's doesn't appear to be 'less' heat dissipation as you concluded, it looks entirely non-existant...
Hi Iskandar - I saw one of your comments was in spam, think it was because you added a link.. So sorry for missing this one - certainly if the GPU uses less power and the heat pipes are shared that will make aa difference.
I use MSI Afterburner for the on screen overlay. Make sure to download Riva Tuner 7.2 2 from Guru3d. I also use HWinfo64 to measure average and max values
@@OWNORDISOWN that's super awesome! thank you for replying! Im very new to pc gaming that's why I was asking 😁 also does dell sell what i need in their website??
@@Sef1rosu Dell do sell batteries on their website , I strongly recommend that you call them or do their online chat first to make sure they offer the right one. When you are configuring your laptop on their site you can pick battery size etc.
I'm not sure mate. Although I don't have access to a Gsync monitor I should have tried it on my Freesync monitor and checked to see if I could have got that to work via the control panel. Sorry, just ran out of time.
G5- good battery life, but discharges under load. G7 - doesn't discharge under load but for the same battery has poor battery life. WTH Dell? Get it right! Thanks for the review! The top of the lid looks exactly like my G3 black version lol, aside from the hinge.
Daniele Magrì dude, because they both have Nvidia optimus(which enables Nvidia graphics only during games or resourse demanding applications) it doesn't matter what graphics they have. And G7 has worse battery life, but according to your logic it should have better battery life, not worse
Daniele Magrì ok, I didn't know these things about the G7, but if G5 doesn't have optimus, how the heck does it manage to have good battery life at all? Asus gaming laptops with the same battery have really poor battery life when they don't have optimus. Not to mention those bulky high end gaming laptops which always have Nvidia graphics on - none of them have above 3 hours having massive 90-99 watt hour batteries
The only real difference I can see is the screen refresh rate and brightness . The G5 had 60 hz panel that is less than the 144 hz on the G7 and brightness wise, well the G7 at 25% is 88 nits whilst the G5 at 50% is 65 nits. The CPU power pull on the G7 was similar to the G5 so those two things are the only thing I can think of unless Optimus didn't work as well on my G7..
You shouldn't use the brightness percentage in windows when doing the battery tests, 25% on one laptop could be 50 nits while on another it could be 100nits which would be unfair. Good video though
Thanks, glad you liked it. The reason I don't that way is because the average person doesn't set their laptop to 100 nits as soon as they unplug. Most people won't have the ability to test brightness, all they will do is adjust the windows brightness slider. Got to make it real world otherwise it's meaningless...
Can u suggest me a best laptop under 1200$ ... I'm an computer science engineering student...that is available in India...Love your explanation...GREAT WORK👌👌
Glad you like my videos ! I think with the 17% sale Dell has the G5 with the 2060 comes out to be $1160 plus if you sign up for their rewards you get free credit plus points back. Just add another stick of RAM :) www.dell.com/en-us/shop/laptops/new-15/spd/g-series-15-5590-laptop
@@OWNORDISOWN That configuration you suggested costs around 2000 dollars in India, with a 256 GB SSD and a 5400 rpm mechanical hard drive, so that means a smaller battery. I don't know why stuff is so expensive here. Your videos are great, by the way.
This specific g7 is currently on sale. G7 or y740? Both 144hz 2070maxq. Which would be better if lets say they are about the same price? And why? Thanks in advance!
The G7 is good for better battery life and it's more mobile because the power brick is smaller. The Y740 no longer has fan control but still uses the 90w 2070MQ so performance still a bit better and you have Gsync, the RGN keyboard is one of the best, although the keys pushed to the right might take some getting used to. Both systems will need a hit of tweaking to run cool. Speakers on the Y740 probably a bit a better. For ne Gsync is a good advantage , tou can switch to hybrid graphics but battery life will still be worse than th he G7 if you get the larger battery on that.
Hey OWNorDisown, can you confirm if the Dell G5 and G7 come with G-Sync? I'm really considering the Dell G5 15-Special Edition. Now before you ask why, that's because I want the RTX 2060 with the 144hz panel and the problem with the G7 is that for some reason I can't get the 144hz panel without upping to the RTX 2070, thus raising the price.
If you’re worried about value, you might be best off with the MECH 17 by Eluktronics on Amazon. It comes with a full-size 2060 or 2070 (not the dialed down Max-Q versions), and for $1399 starting, you get an RTX 2060, 17” slim-bezel, 144hz 1080p IPS panel, 8gb RAM, 128gb SSD, and great thermal performance. And it’s all customizable from there (ram, ssd, hdd, battery size, thermal repasting, OS, etc.). Just keep in mind, opting for storage in the 2.5” drive will reduce the battery size as the “extended” battery takes up the 2.5” drive. I’d recommend not taking the upgrades (other than on the GPU), and installing your own 2666mhz DDR4 ram and m.2 ssd when the unit is delivered. Here’s a review from Dave2D as well on the laptop: ua-cam.com/video/6bLG0GcCYik/v-deo.html
Yeah, anywhere from 65 to 100 I have seen. The BIOS may have it throttle down usually 93 to 95 degrees. Some Gigabyte ones i have seen it cap around 90 which I think is a good idea.
I just ordered a 2060 based one since there was a rebate. My goal is to replace my 8700 tower that has become impractical (I keep being on the move). Im glad to see my assumptions were correct, bigger chassis means better cooling potential, I knew I'll have to throttle/undervolt the cpu to stay within 45w and was ok with that, after all razer drastically throttles the same CPU and gets good performance regardless. I hope to be able to undervolt mine by 0.150 when I get it and adjust other settings, like max boost to taste in xtu. Question I have is am I overly optimist about achieving reasonable thermals long term?
I think you may need to adjust the multiliers too unless you use quiet mode with the undervolt, but am confident then you will have great temperatures long term. I have just been notified that Dell may view that undervolting will void your warranty so I am checking on that with them.
@@OWNORDISOWN Yeah I just saw your tweet... might be too late for me to cancel... if confirmed it would be quite insane, especially since as you mentionned, they themselves do it in AWCC and it has become such a common tweak on 8th gen i7 laptops...
I was wondering... you mentionned the CPU-side fan doesn't seem to be blowing much hot air... is it evening reving up? is it, lol, blowing air in the right direction?
I was so close to pulling the trigger on this variant laptop but with dual channel RAM, until I saw those temps. Nope! Especially after two Dellienware m15 laptops overheating as well.
I bought a laptop dell g7 7790 of 144hz i5 rtx 2060 but when I open the settings and resolution there is only 60hz why?? Please help 😣 I bought the laptop for 144hz and there is no option for it I even updated everything
I haven't tried the 17" model but I did get one comment from someone who has it. He said it ran cooler so that is good to know. As for the finger print reader I don't know, sorry. Perhaps their sales people can help you?
@@OWNORDISOWN thanks for the reply sir.... i contacted the sales team, they said US versions dont have fingerprint sensor but UK versions do have..... i have one suggestion for u sir.... u live stream through cam... plz use obs for streaming so we could know more better reagarding colour accueacy of the panel
@@RTXBOBLEE the difficulty with that is that you will not an accurate representation of frame rates and clock speeds as the system itself is handling the work load of stream. I do use a second PC to handle the stream using OBS, but the problem of sending the feed to via HDMI via the capture card limits it to 60 fps because of Optimus. I figure that most people want to see accurate temps and frame rates. That being said I may switch my camera to the G7 as that has better colour reproduction. I just need to work out how to bypass the 20 minute video limit on that camera. In my review I have been using the camera to capture the colour reproduction, perhaps I can do a shot using OBS.
when you test with ur tweaked setting with the help of throttlestop, do u use ultra-performance mode or still using quiet mode because I did not catch ur words quick enuff
@@ahuman8711 if I recall I downclocked the CPU to 3700 mhz and that proved OK, but every laptop is different. On some I have had to drop to 3300 mhz before. Since my review on this G7 they released a max fan option and I heard that does a decent job so you may not even have to go to 3700 mhz now..
Is the Dell G7 with RTX 2060 good for 3D rendering? Do you recommend 15 or 17 inch? Or is the older G7 better at cooling? Which is better at high weather temperature? Is the Quiet mode and undervolting enough? Thanks.
I think quiet mide with undervolting is enough, but personally , if you are going to the trouble of undervolting you might as well change the multipliers to 37 otherwise you will be at around the 3100 Mhz mark. 3D rendering will be just fine for it. It handled both Cinebench R20 and Vray well. With my settings I am sure it will handle a warm ambient temperature too. If you find it does start to get warm just lower the multipliers a bit further...
@@OWNORDISOWN what do you mean lower multiplier? Is there a tutorial? Also I have read this www.notebookcheck.net/Undervolting-your-Dell-laptop-can-void-the-warranty.415008.0.html So I am not sure if changing anything is going to void the warranty or not. Is Dell G7 better or Acer Predator Triton 500? At cooling and Display color accuracy.
@@christianelouca5031 Thanks for sharing that article. I am going to message Frank Azor and get clarification...It could be a deal breaker for all enthusiasts. Even system Integrators like Hidevolution often undervolt the system out the box. You have to use Throttlestop to lower the multipliers, I basically change Speedshift + EPP to 1 and disable BDprochot, then apply the undervolt offset to the core and cache - usually around 120-140 mv is enough , then I change the turbo boost time limit to 96. I change the multipliers to suit, if its too hot then I lower them one step at a time. Usually around 37 is good. The other settings I mention help lock in that core clock, as you see in my game play it basically sticks at the 3700 Mhz.
@@christianelouca5031 the Acer Triton 500 definitely has better cooling, I really like it. Will be live streaming it tonight on Twitch and edit it to upload on YT. The 17" G7 I heard from one viewer that it is indeed cooler but I haven't tested it myself
No, the keyboard is split into 4 zones from left to right. You can change each zone to whatever colour you want or have them all the same colour if you wish
For me the Aero as it is smaller, lighter and has two m.2 slots whilst still having a 94w battery. They are also offer a free RAM upgrade after watching my review 👍
when you use throttlestop settings, what do you do with the dell power management settings? do you just keep it at optimized and go for ThrottleStop undervolt? Just wanna make sure dell power management settings don't interfere with my throttlestop undervolt settings
@@OWNORDISOWN Hi! Your reviews are great! Thank you for answering to my questions! On some other comment you have said that undervolting + quit mode is the way to go. Or is it better to use ultra mode and undervolting? Is there a difference between the 2 approaches in thermals and real world performance after all? Also, I have the 9750H version, what is the undervolting sweet spot for this CPU?
@@TheSamun Glad you like them! Personally I would undervolt and lower the CPU multipliers to around 37 but not everyone is comfortable doing those things as quiet mode was a decent standard profile to pick with little effect on frame rate. I find that for the 9750h an undervolt on the core and cache of -140 to -150mv is good. You can lower the core further if you like , perhaps to about -160 to 170mv . You can also undervolt the GPU if you like but I prefer lowering the CPU clock a bit and keep the GPU boosting as high as it can.
@@OWNORDISOWN I really thank you for answering back, not many people do, I appreciate it!!! I agree with your approach, that is, CPU under + GPU same or over if max Q design. How do you like generally to undervolt the CPU cache in the 9750h? You have said before that the G7 performs optimally under 45watts. Does it stay automatically under this threshold due to the CPU core/cache undervolt or you explicitly set a limit in the TPL tab of throttlestop? Thanks again :) Ι have just bought the 7790 and I try to fine tune it.
@@TheSamun no problem, I look at this way. If someone can take the time to watch my video and comment the least I can do is reply 👍 In the TPL tab you can adjust the PL1 and PL2 watts, I usually keep them default unless the system is really trying to push too many watts. Lowering these will lower the clock speed of the CPU but I usually prefer to change the multipliers and lock in the click rate on the first page: change speedshift EPP to 1 and disable BDPROCHOT. On the TPL tab I do increase the turbo time limit to 96. I would use the laptop and take note of what the average clock speeds and temps are and adjust accordingly. For example if it averages 3500 mhz, changing the multipliers to even 37 will give a better performance and still lower the temperatures.
Could you please review Lenovo Legion Y740 15" w/ RTX 2070? As it seems to be rather atractive rtx-laptop..
would love to. I need to start saving up a bit unless you can convince Rex Stover at Legion to return my phone calls and emails...
@@OWNORDISOWN they definitevely should send you a review copy because your reviews are so informative and comprehensive..!
@@OWNORDISOWN sent an email... Hope he'll Come thru.!
@@OWNORDISOWN lol they were more than happy To send a review copy for a loan, but There was a slight misunderstanding and they were gonna send it To me :D
Of course i rectified the misunderstanding... Lets see if they'll send that review unit To you now :)
Very nice thermal analysis, dual channel gives more FPS boost than overclocking, quiet mode n CPU undervolting is the way to go.
HP omen fixed the CPU wattage with bios update last year, let's see if Dell addresses the issue or not
Thanks mate. That's good to know about the Omen. Yes, hopefully they will do a new BIOS otherwise ultra performance mode is wasted. Thanks for watching!
@@OWNORDISOWN ua-cam.com/video/gVN1moyn6OY/v-deo.html
G7 thermal manager update, 4 thermal profiles like Asus
Best review of a laptop I've seen in a while by a long shot. Incredible details about thermals.
Thanks, really appreciate that :)
@OWNorDisown I have promised to you a tweaking review of my Dell G7 7790. So, here it is. Rig: 9750H, 2070 maxQ, 32GB dual channel (15-17-17....) 2666mhz, Evo plus 1TB. TWEAKS: CPU undervolt -150mv, GPU overclock: Core +200mhz, memory +800mhz, Kryonat repaste, cooling pads everywhere, cooling pad. Software run: Passmark performance test, Geebench 5, Cinebench R20, FutureMark (timespy & firestrike), PCMark. Results: All these programs were run on every step in order to see what impact each of the tweaks had. As you already have said the change from single to dual channel offers the biggest single most impactful alteration. Changing the NVME from a factory Toshiba to the EVO Plus had a similar effect with RAM in performance. After all replacement parts were installed I repasted the laptop and nothing changed thus far in the temp departmenT. The CPU would still hit 100c and the GPU 80c. Even though I have dressed the most important surfaces inside with the most expensive cooling pads for better heat conductivity to the metal bottom of the laptop. After all set and done, the single most important differentiator for the temps, as the extra channel for the performance, was the cooling pad! I didn't expect that! I thought the quality paste would offer at least a couple of degrees headroom but nada. When the cooling was in place the temps would go down as much as 20 degrees! I have used 2 different ones from Thermaltake. I come to the conclusion that the Notebook XL is the best amorg the 2 ( the other being the Ergo III). It seems that the cooling is what is needed for the rest of the tweaks to work efficiently. I suspect that what really helps isn't all that much the air inflow to the laptop that the pad achieves, but that now the laptop is elevated enough for the intakes to work as they are supposed to. The air intake design on this laptop is really poor. GAMES: Anthem, Shadow of the Tomb Raider, Total war: Three kingdoms. I will talk abou the FPS on the performance boost achieved. While playing games the temps almost never exceed the 85c on the CPU and 72 on the GPU, which is a 15-degree improvement on the CPU and a 8-10 degree one on the GPU. PERFORMANCE: In the end, as a result, the CPU performs 10% better than a stock 9750H, the hard disk performance is 35% better than the stock, the RAM is 35-40% faster than the stock and the GPU behaves like the full mobile RTX 2070. FPS is on average 10% more on these games. Moreover, in tests like CUDA (Geekbench) and machine learning that I am particularly interested my 2070 maxQ works like a 2060 SUPER. That is, even better than the mobile RTX 2070. Which translates to 15% improvement over the stock RTX 2070 maxQ,. And all of this while the laptop most of the time sits between 50c-60c in loads
I think just to be safe I would get the 240W power supply separately to ensure the laptop gets plenty of headroom and not worrying about battery discharge and current limit throttling.
Way too hot CPU temps compared to 1st Gen G7 despite having two more heat pipes. Pretty odd, really
Maybe a firmware update or a slight undervolt would do the trick?
At 3700 Mhz and an undervolt I had it purring like a kitten :)
Maybe bad thermal pad / paste?
I'm sure that will help somewhat, some one just reported that his G5 was repasted with liquid metal and it never goes over 85 degrees. I think the main issue though is that in ultra performance mode there is too many watts being pushed to the CPU. 70w when gaming takes a lot of cooling...
@@OWNORDISOWN Not the best "out of the box" experience device, that's for sure.
How did you set the clockspeed to 3.7ghz in throttlestop?
Great video, I ultimately went with the Alienware m15 because for the same price I was able to get 32GB memory and RTX 2060 with OC. My use case is running engineering simulations.
I think that is a good move, the m15 is a nice laptop :)
Great, video, I've been waiting for this.
If people want to deal with the temperatures while gaming, simply run your CPU at a lower clock speed (3.0-3.2GHz) which can easily be set as a separate profile on Throttlestop. I've outlined the steps in a video, the CPU will simple never run cool running at 3.9GHz and 60W+
Does this lower the performance? Because I have a g7 with a 1060 and it has serious FPS drops which I think comes from overheating. It should work fine because it has great specs. I don’t think it’s because of dust because I use it on a desk
@@oliviaanderson1210 not at all, in fact it helps increase performance, the CPU and GPU share heat pipes, so when the CPU runs extremely hot, it causes the GPU to severely throttle it's clock speed. But when you downclock the CPU, the GPU can maintain high core clocks for much longer.
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@@kakemboluide ive been doing this since couple months ago i should say that underclocking mobile CPU did help heat out from the lappy, heck even extended my battery live by locking my cpu to their lowest clock.
the thing is idk of this method would broke my laptop or not..
Olive Majestic try GPU undervlting also, Stephen has a guide how to do this on his channel, also helps with CPU temps because they have shared heatpipes.
kakemboluide I agree that decreasing clockspeeds can help sometimes, but why would you remove undervolting? It's something I'm unable to understand in your video
I'm still ganna settle for the Mech 17 G2 than the Dell G series :c. Thanks for the wonderful review !!
Nice 👍 Glad you liked me video 😁
That is a nice system with much better cooling vs the Dell.
I found out from a few reviews that are recent that wireless network card stops working on the mech 17 .
@@HaloblackopsTenken that sucks. At least it is a cheap and easy fix...
@@OWNORDISOWN Really, is there a way?! If thats the case, I'm alright now hehehe
Great review! It was really useful to see the thermal imaging to visualize how it heats up under load.
Much thanks for the video, I needed a detailed review on G7, especially concerning the thermals. I'm waiting on my G7 17 to ship, and this is my first experience with gaming laptops whatsoever so I'm quite unfamiliar with terms. I did some googling on my own and I found out that I can undervolt through Throttlestop, which helps reduce the heating. For 'single channel' and 'dual channel', though, I have no idea what they mean. Could you be kind enough to hint the basics? Also isn't overclocking the graphics bad for the sake of managing heat? (correct me if I'm wrong) +Would you recommend using the same Throttlestop settings for 9750?
Thanks a lot.
The video is talking about dual channel memory as in 2x8 gb ram sticks instead of just a single 16gb ram stick. If you bought your laptop recently like from the Black Friday sales, there should be no issues as all new models of the Dell g7 have dual channel ram
Very nice review. Nice to see that this laptop performed similar to the aero 15x. For the price though, you might as well pay a little more to get a thinner aero 15x. If only the g7 was cheaper that way its more competitive. Hopefully you can also review razerblade rtx 2070 with some tweeks to see if it does any better in performance and cooling
Yes, the Aero 15 has everything I want , more storage than the 90 wh G7 too. I'll chase the Razer guy up, he said he would add me to his list for that one...
Sounds very nice, hopefully you do get a review unit for razer then. Razer still continues to be laptop I'm going to get and saving up for. Only predicament is to get either the rtx 2060 or rtx 2070 maxq model. I watched your video comparing these two and after your tweeks it seemed that rtx 2070maxq ran better and cooler but these are still two different laptops. I just need to know how much better the rtx 2070 maxq is than rtx2060 on the blade in terms of performance, cooling, and fan noise
@@Ethereal184 yes, and truth be told , I think they are the nicest looking gaming laptops about. I really love the Mercury white one 👍
I'm so glad I found your channel. U actually go into more detail about products than anyone else i have found. Just like with the Alienware 17r4 overheating and adding Thermal paste video. That's what I own and I greatly appreciate what u do! Thanks will definitely recommend your channel to anyone and everyone 👌
I love your videos! My 7590 is arriving on Friday and I was wondering if you know whether I should A) Purchase 2x8 GB RAM and replace both sticks, B) Purchase the cheaper 1x16 RAM and replace one stick, or C) Purchase 1x16 RAM and keep it as the only stick? I'm new to upgrading RAM so I don't really know much about this. Thanks in advance!
Thanks Samil ! If yours only has one stick of RAM I really recommend upgrading to two sticks. You can look around for aa matching stick (same speed, timings and voltage) or just buy a dual channel kit.
OWNorDisown Thanks! I ended up ordering the 2x8 you linked in another comment!
Good move !
Could you do a video on how you optimized the g7? The undervolting of the CPU and overclocking the GPU.
Yes, I can do a guide 👍 I don't have the G7 anymore but the Aorus 15 will be a prime candidate 😃
Thanks for the review. Thinking of getting the maxed out G7 over the m15 R2. The design choices for RAM not soldered on, WiFi not soldered on, ports on the back, larger battery option, number pad keys, and the G7 now has similar specs options as the m15 R2 and seems like the way to go. Thoughts and thanks.
Awesome videos mate. Just want to ask, if you're going to choose a gaming laptop that you think you can stick with for say 3 years which one would it be? Thank you.
Hi Stephen ,thank you very much for the review ,i thing is the best one for G7 out there. Can you please share the make and the model of the dual channel memory card that you installed. Link will be all so appreciated as am waiting for my G7 to arrive within 2 weeks time. All so do you know by any chance if swapping the memory card will compromise the warranty. Thank you in advance and looking forward to see you next review.
Glad you liked it :) Here is the link to the RAM I bought, 2 x 8GB: amzn.to/2WGDDkZ
Is the screen; 144Hz version; the same as on the Alienware m15? I have read the screen is not as good on the G7 but lack any particulars. Refresh rate, color, brightness. Thanks for the full review. Like you I prefer design of the G7; the ports on the back, smaller bezels and flat color, less gamer design, the extended warranty is almost half the cost compared to the m15. What I don't like is only one SSD slot, comes with only one memory module so you have factor the cost to get dual channel memory. The price can be close to a similarly spec'd m15 though and I am not sure of the components quality in comparison to the internals of the m15. I ended up getting the m15 for the additional SSD slot and dual channel memory included in the price. I am still drawn to the G7 though. You have to get 2070 card to get the 90Whr battery option in the G7 with comes with 16GB single memory module, 512 SSD M2, for $2389 without discounts the similarly spec'd m15 with dual channel memory and I believe a better 512SSD M2 is $2589. The gap in price jumps when you get Dell Premium Support - $229 4 Years for G7, $560 for the same support on the m15! What does the m15 have that warrants the higher support costs? I would rather get the RTX 2060 in both as the additional $400 for the RTX 2070 MaxQ based on reviews and performance of the 2060 compared to the 2070. Unfortunately the options are limited on the G7 with the 2060 option when compared to the m15.
I must admit I have no idea why the m15 extended support should cost double the price, makes no sense to me...using my Spyder 5 pro the G7 measured sRGB 91% , adobeRGB 68% and brightness 340 nits. The m15 was 94% sRGB, 68% adobeRGB and 308 nits. Only a slight difference. I forget to take a note of the panel ID on the G7, they are similar for sure, at 25% brightness they both were at 88 nits so perhaps they are the same panel and just a variation in measuring.
Smashing review. Really nice laptop m8. You really do a great review when you review these laptops :) Hope things are good with you my friend :)
Thanks mate ! Took all day Sunday 😣 How are things with you ?
I bought a g7-17 and it did not come with an aluminum body. Really good plastic. Very solid. Wondering if the went cheap in the larger version. I have noticed very low temps by elevating the back of the laptop by an inch. Even better on a laptop cooler.it allows unrestricted air flow to the fans.
Hey man,
Does this come with SSD and hard drive?
How is the fan on idle and on load? I don't like when the fan sounds....
I have a new G7 15 (7590) with OLED, RTX 2080 Max Q, i7-9750H, 16GBs RAM, and BC501 NVMe SK Hynix 512GB drive. My Time Spy benchmarks for this system are subpar. I am currently getting a Time Spy benchmark of 6983 in Performance mode. This is 634 lower than Alienware m15 R2 with the same components, and 724 lower than the Alienware m15 RI with a i7-8750H CPU and same GPU and OLED. In fact this benchmark is only a few hundred points higher than some RTX 2027 Max Q systems I tested. For an the additional $700 the RTX 2080 Max Q costs I expect similar results. I have updated all drivers and made sure the 2080 is used during the benchmark and ran them several times with similar results. I am at a loss and all I can think is the Alienware units had their CPU, GPU, and RAM overclocked from the factory. I left all settings as found when I did the testing. From the benchmarks I see the GPU Core Clock is as follows: G7 1755; m15 R2 1845; m15 R1 - 1815. The CPU's are as follows: G7 - 2600 - Turbo - 3994; m15 R2 - 2600 Turbo - 4192; m15 R1 2200 - Turbo 4091. My guess is the higher Alienware settings account for the higher benchmarks. Again for the extra $700 for the 2080 on the G7 it doesn't worth it unless I can change the settings to equal the m15 units. I will try this and see how it goes.
Another item the OLED panel is calibrated and not as cartoonish and saturated as my original m15 R1 with OLED but the Red's are more of a Brownish Rust color?
And once again I had to delete all the Killer Apps and just install the drivers so the network would work at the speed it should! I have had to do this for every Dell / Alienware system the past two years!
I do like the keyboard and prefer the numpad, like the jacks on the back panel, keyboard lighting is a bit on the dim side but works, the fingerprint reader is working well for me, touchpad is responsive, battery life is all over the place while doing the same thing (stream netflix using the Intel GPU), have an issue with the screen going dim on battery or plug and even though the adjustment shows 100% it is really at 70% or less and requires a reboot, dimming the OLED less than 70% can make it to dark to see so you have to keep it pretty bright, Alienware Command Center same auto updates and issues as mentioned in most Alienware reviews, the system feels tight and well built, the keyboard can get HOT during normal use while the system is on balanced mode, the fans can get loud but they don't have the squeal the m15 R2 fans had and are ok to listen too.
Isn’t the m15 the same price? And comes with dual channel ram
Yes it is, that makes to total sense to go for that one instead 👍
@@OWNORDISOWN You do realize there was a dual channel option of that including a hdd as well, right?
@@aumadanazarus5539 I just checked their website and I don't see any dual channel options...
@@aumadanazarus5539 where?
@@ndh1154 I'll give you a hint. Stop buying shit from Dell's website.
shoud i use quiet mode or ultra performance mode,
btw great video
Thanks, glad you liked it ! Quiet mode is fine for those who don't want to undervolt , know that in some games the temp will eventually get into the 90s, but not all games. If you are comfortable doing and undervolt then combing quiet mode with an undervolt will work a treat,
@@OWNORDISOWN I'm concerned if the laptop will last long. I'm not a gamer but I'm an Architect and Interior desinger. I use 3d programs, photoshop, illustrator, Indesign anda Autocad. Would that laptop last?
Nice review as always !
Thanks mate 👍
Hey man I love your channel! I will buy the same G7 config as you, you did a VERY GOOD job on reviewing laptops!😄
Thanks, glad you like my videos!
Nice review as always! Keep it up. 👌🏻
Thanks mate 👍
Hi Stephen are you still goin to review Triton 500?
Yes, definitely. I have 3 laptops I am working on in tandem. I have done the bulk of my gaming tests and will try and live stream it on twitch tonight.
@@OWNORDISOWN Thanks for your effort, I'm excited to watch your review on this laptop :D have so many questions I'm sure you will cover it.
If you're a music producer/enthusiast you'll be pleasantly surprised to know that this G7 gaming laptop is actually perfect for music production. It comes with ASIO sound drivers as standard & works seamlesly with Ableton Live (cpu stays idle at 5% usage) alongside Omnisphere 2.6 with hardware integration support and other popular vst's without any lag or issues just ensure you choose DUAL RAM ideally 2x16gb sticks & you're good to go. DO NOT TRUST Latency Mon as a sound benchmark program, it sticks to the 1st core of the multi processor & gives misleading results. I am a music producer & I would advise those stuck on using macbooks to consider switching as windows machines are finally coming of age & Windows is by far more accessable than IOS.
Thanks for your input! I'm not a music specialist at all so appreciate your info. I have stopped using it anyway because it seemed to have issues with the RTX drivers which I didn't feel were accurate.
Hi, Can I ask your advice? A friend of mine plays the guitar and he is buying the Universal Audio Twin MKII Quad 2x6 Thunderbolt Audio Interface with UAD and wants to know what spec laptop is best for it. Any advice on what CPU and RAM amount he will need? I was going to offer him my Clevo P870TM with a desktop i7 8700k but is that over kill?
Hi there, basically any pc/laptop with an i7 processor or even i5 would be fine but for audio it’s all about space & freeing up the processor as much as possible.
Key ingredients are dual channel 16gb ram min, ideally a 1 or 2tb hard drive 7200rpm, hybrid drives are good plus ssd but it’s life will be reduced by constant writes. When using DAW’s, make sure drive is defragged, internet & antivirus software off, in addition, a bit of overkill.. switch NVIDIA off if there’s a second onboard intel graphics card, intel to intel works great but nvidia dedicated gpu’s require some dependence on the cpu at all times but it may not be an issue. Choose ahci (think that’s the right abbreviation) over a raid setup, raid creates a bottleneck similar to single channel ram, hope this info helps, it’s more about how the pc’s set up than anything else.
& thunderbolt is a great upgrade over usb2, it can reduce latency even further
Hi sir,
Great review as always.
I just want to know which one would be better dell g7 or triton 500 ?
The big plus for my Triton 500 with the 2080 max Q is that it has Gsync and you can manually switch to the intel GPU. At idle the fan doesn't spin at all .
The turbo mode does help a bit too.
Big downside is the inverted motherboard and for most people that means the G7 is the sensible choice because upgrading storage on the Triton is tricky. Probably the Helios 300 would make sense , my 1660ti one performs close to 2070 max Q at only $1200. Smaller battery at 59wh but still gets 5 hours. My review on that will be up on Thursday.
Great review! I recently purchased the G5 (9750H, RTX 2060, 16GBs ram, 144hz display) for $1250 USD brand new. Now I'm not sure if I should have bought the G7 instead of the G5 even though it was so much cheaper :/ Thoughts?
What are the implications on performance when you undervolt it? From all your videos I can see that the total wattage drawn by the CPU lowers to ~40W, but I can't determine the real life performance difference vs when thermal throttled.
Thanks! That's a great deal. When it first came out they charged me $1800 and that was with a 60hz panel, one stick of RAM and no RGB keyboard. It pays to wait for price drops 👍
Trying to get advice from you Steven, Jarrod and Bob... And anyone else who wants to chime in;
Would you go with an Alienware m15 r2 with 9th gen i7, RTX 2060, 16gb, 1tb SSD and 4k OLED display. 1 year limited hardware warranty. ($1820)
-OR-
Dell g7 17" with 9th gen i7, RTX 2070 max q, 16gb ram, 256 gb SSD / 1tb HDD and a 144hz IPS display. 4 year warranty / 4 year accident protection and 3 year battery warranty ($1720 USD).
I currently have the Alienware m15 r2 model above. It runs good so far. Temps are actually good (I run games on quiet mode with -125 undervolt and CPU generally stays around 80c with occasional spikes high 80s. Not really any problems yet with it, but it's very expensive to extend warranty (to get 2yrs with accident protection it would drive the overall cost around $2300).
I was sent a coupon from Dell after the purchase of the Alienware m15 for 15% off. Using that coupon alongside existing discount, I was able to get the above spec g7 17" fully covered under warranty for 4 years for less than the Alienware with it's base 1 year warranty. In addition I have a 2tb 2.5" Samsung SSD that I can add to the g7 17" to expand the storage.
I love the OLED panel. I've never really used a high refresh screen. I know the Alienware m15 I got was a "good' one as temps are decent and no other issues so far. However, the lack of upgradability alongside the high cost to extend the warranty had me second guessing my purchase when, with the coupon I received, and much lower cost to extend warranty, I could conceivably get much more for my money...
So with that information, what would you choose?
Yes, that extended warranty is very tempting . OLED is nice, do you use it for content creation work? I'm sure the 17" screen is fine and I must admit I prefer a 17" for video editing and gaming on. And you can never have enough storage...so yeah, the G7 probably
Excellent video, thanks a lot! So you have 144 Hz display on this version is it good enough compare to aero 15 or Asus/MSI competitors?
Thanks, glad you liked it! According to my Spyder 5 pro it's colour accuracy was slightly behind the rest , only by about 3 to 5% sRGB. Still a decent panel.
@@OWNORDISOWN thanks a lot for reply! Ordered g7 2070 144 G-sync version today from local Dell representative, for 1000 rubles (15 USD) they offer me 2x8 GB ram instead of factory 1x16, after watching this video I accept offer. Thanks a lot one more time!
@@titan5914 that sounds great! Glad I was able to help 👍
Hi very good channel boss!
You reckon dell G7 15 inch 240hz 16gb ram , 9750h intel i7 , rtx2070max q , 512ssd is worth for 1750aud? Its used , is it a good laptop and worth the every buck??pls let me know.
I was hoping for normal WASD keys like the Lenovo Legion 740...
Well I guess that is still a feature not accessible to gaming laptops
I was ready to buy the G5 when I saw your review and changed my mind. I want a RTX laptop to do live visuals and a stage can get pretty hot. A laptop with bad thermals might be a huge issue. I thought the G7 might be a better deal, but still, I'm not that confident. Any suggestions?
I think the Acer Triton 500 is a good option. Full review up on Saturday. Main concern is backlight bleed. I bought two units and both had it. One was workable but the other one was really bad. Thermals and performance top notch. It's a pain to upgrade but I ended up repasting it and it's super cool now👍
Thank you for an excellent, in-depth review of the machine, comparisons with the Aero 15-X 2070 Max Q (my other consideration) and sharing your optimal settings.
I just picked up this exact model and this video is the most useful and informative.
Your efforts are truly and greatly appreciated.
I'm looking to pick up a secondary 16 gb RAM stick for improved dual channel performance, and added memory.
Looking forward to more content from you!
Thanks, glad I was able to help you 👍 Enjoy your new laptop and thanks for watching!
I purchased this same build from dell for 2k flat a couple of days ago. I am now waiting for the delivery. I am not sure if I made the right decision by going with the 2070 max q and I am considering returning it for the 2060. The problem is that they do not offer the 144hz panel for the 2060 on the G7, only on the G5. What do you think? Should I compromise on the build quality to save a few bucks on the GPU downgrade or should I stick with the G7? Thank you for your time.
Try to look at the Asus strix scar 2 . Amazing build quality + 144hz with 3ms response time display and lots of RGBbbbbbbbb
@OWNorDisown, dell NL is selling G7 17 (7790) i5 8300h / RTX 2060 for 1250 euro at the moment, would you think a i5 8300h would be maybe a better choice for gaming? (less cores = less to cool?). I am slightly worried about keyboard temperatures though after seeing your video.
That does seem like a good deal and it should run a bit cooler. The only time the keyboard got uncomfortably hot was when the CPU was running at 100 deg C, it was pretty bad then. But once I got the temps under control it was fine. My main concern right now is seemingly Dell is saying undervolting is against the warranty but I don't know how they can tell.
one of the best product to have a rtx 2070 inside it for a lower price comparatively.
Thank you so much 👍🏻 . Just a question please. Does it come with G sync?
According to Dell, the GPU is G-Synch ready, but the 144Hz display is not. Take it with a grain of salt and consider the outsourced technical support.
@@kenarnold9132 thank you
No it doesn't. Sorry
Excellent presentation....i am considering a G7 as a replacement for my long in the tooth XPS 15 L501X...bit of a dilemma for me on 15" vs 17"...any chance for a G7 17" review?...i guess thermals and quality of 144hz 17" panel may or may not be different? Also, i was not clear on the 'loose flimsy' screen surround?...are you saying there is a separate aluminum ring around screen bezel that is loose?...how is rigidity of panel otherwise? Thx!
I have had one viewer say his G7 17" ran much cooler . I have to buy these things and cannot afford to buy the 17", sorry! Around the edge of the panel there is usually a rubber strip , very narrow so when the screen is closed you don't get the plastic bezel touching the keyboard area. The one on the G7 rattled, it was loose, if I recall it felt more like plastic than the rubber on my Razer. It just felt cheaper. Glad you liked my review and thanks for watching!
I have the new G7 17, but is the i5 8300H and RTX 2060 version. It is slightly cooler than the i7, and not very difficult to cool it using throttlestop. My unit has the 60hz 300 nits screen and I am very happy with it. No bledding, good black level but may lack a little punch in colours.
Dell keeps launching updates regulary. For the moment I am very satisfied, but it is true that I got it much cheaper than Steven (1.100€ in Spain).
In this deal forum I posted many screenshots with my own test bit.ly/2TYiVA7 . It is in spanish but you can use google translator.
Hope it helps.
@@ismasori How is the fan on idle and on load? I don't like when the fan sounds....
@@uncannydeduction You can use the "quiet" mode that slows down a little the processor. Then it is inaudible.
Hi can i know whats your under volt setting on g7 ?? I downloaded athrottle stop already . Thankyou i appreciate your reply
Steve. There is something wrong with my gtx 1070. It is freaking hot, but it can do that vraybenchmark in 1:25. I am not using anything to overclock it. And now I am using conductonaut to put that heat on a leash. It was peaking 90C in some cases.
Wow, that is hot ! Hopefully the conductonaut will rein it in
I saw another reviewer who had a really nice looking white g7 but it's no longer on the Dell site. So frustrating! 😠
Yes, the white was nice. They had it last year..
where did you bought the 90W battery version? I couldn't see it in any customization in dell website.
Well I brought the M17 with 2070 max Q. The keyboard feels like a direct copy from Insprion line. What a shame Alienware!
Trying to find information on where to download and how to use Throttle Stop to include GPU adjustments. I thought you mentioned putting a video up for this. Thanks
Hi OWNorDisown, have just bought my G7, almost identical in specs to the one you had here for testing except with the rtx 2060 - I'm essential new to... decent... laptops but am aware that I really should get another stick of 16gb RAM when I get the laptop, taking it to a dual-channel cap. of 32gb. But how do I go about this?, as long as the specs match am I fine to choose whichever brand? and what brand is the RAM that you put in to your G7 here in this vid? (if you've got a link that'd be great). Cheers...
btw, Great review otherwise! I'm sure you're aware but there's a strangely small number of videos on the G7 so far haha...
Thanks, glad you liked my review ! You can check what RAM you have by installing CPU-Z and click on the SPD tab, it shows you all the details. You can mix manufacturers but you really want the speed and timings to match. I bought a dual RAM kit of 2 x 8GB and it worked great: amzn.to/2Ug5evy
Why laptops have not unlock ram? 2666 is not enough at all
I thought you did a video with an undervolt of the CPU and overclocking something with this machine? Do you have any recommendations for the settings?
I believe I showed my settings in my video. Whilst in Ultra Performance mode, change Speedshift EPP to 1, disable BDprochot, offset undervolt core and cache say 130-140mv. increase turbo time limit to 96 and chance multipliers to 37
This one exactly is on massive sale from where Im from. Would like to buy it but I want to learn how you did those tweaking cause obviously i dont want it to run on 100°c. Have you got a guide for that?
Do you reccomend to pick this one (with an rtx 2060 and 8gb ram, I'll add an extra 8gb stick myself for dual channel) or an alienware M15 (also rtx2060)? I really like the build quality (the build of a laptop is really important to me tbh) and the looks of the alienware , however the dell g7 is more affordable and the storage options are wayyyy better (alienware ships the basemodel with only a 256gb ssd, and other storage configurations up your already high price with an extra 200 bucks, and I'm buying from Europe so yeah with added taxes it's a nightmare haha)
Note: if reallllyyy necessary I can undervolt the laptop a tiiiny bit I suppose, cause that i7-8750H is an untamable beast haha
I actually prefer the G7 over the m15. Its those big glossy bezels I don't like. Both run equally as hot. That quiet mode wasn't available when I had my m15. The big thing going for the m15 is the AMP port but if you don't need that then I say go for the G7. Keeping it cool is easy. Just follow my settings :)
@@OWNORDISOWN Awesome! Thx so much for the reply mate:D!! I'll check out the g7!
Can you do a guide to the trottlestop and msi afterburner settings that you used in this video? I've been trying with trottlestop but it wont let me change any settings with my cores like you showed at 7:25 or if you could recommend me a video? Thanks :)
Ok so after about an hour of research I was abe to fix this. If you are seeing in throttlestop that you're "FIVR - Locked" update your BIOS to the latest version from Dell website. Then restart your PC and spam F2 to bios setup. Where it says default change it to factory. Then boot normally and reinstall throttlestop. Just posting this in-case someone was having the same issues as me. ^_^
Thanks for the video! Wondering why the G5 and G7 had such bad thermals by default if we don't adjust the CPU settings ourselves - is this just Dell being lazy? Or to put it in other terms, with other laptops if we cap their CPU frequencies + undervolt, would their temps all improve as dramatically as seen here? I've seen undervolting as a common method for lowering temps but not adjusting frequencies. Thanks again!
Thanks ! Dell pushes a lot of watts to the CPU when gaming, it only needs 45w (8th gen) to maintain boost and even less with the 9th gen but they push more, 60w was not uncommon. The G5 also had worse air intakes underneath vs the G7. Yes, lowering the CPU clock will lower the power needed to maintain that clock and since it throttles down anyway you don't lose anything )
@@OWNORDISOWN Cool, thanks for explanation! So glad I found your channel. Thermals for G7 was my biggest turn off but I loved the design - but seeing how easily it can be controlled makes it a strong candidate for my next laptop again. Keep up the awesome work!
@@saggitalia6955 thanks, really appreciate it 👍
@@OWNORDISOWN Have another couple of questions - would 9th gen CPUs be cooler? And also would having a gtx 1660 ti instead of an RTX 2070MQ also improve temperatures at all? Not an expert on computers unfortunately.
Great video!!! Btw can u doa video on how to use MSI afterburner
Yes, sure. After I have got these 3 laptops out the way I will work on a tweak guide video 👍
@@OWNORDISOWN thanks!!
Very good videos, congratulations.
I'm a little worried, I just bought a Dell G7 with the i7-9750h, RTX 2060 and 16Gb. All the videos about the G7 speak badly of the temperatures, the laptop arrives in a couple of days, how could I improve temperatures?
My friend is thinking of buying the same one you have, how have you found it?
I have been quite surprised.
I have been working a lot with solidworks with 3D renderings, designs and simulations, and so far it has worked great. Now I am starting to play a little, not very demanding games, although always the graphics to the maximum, and it performs great, it warms up a bit (Max 90 C or 194 F always with some jumps), but with an undervolt and external fans you can lower several degrees.
On the other hand, I bought this model because I found an unsurpassed offer, but today I would buy the Lenovo Y740 instead. Although I don't think he regrets buying de G7
@@alejo36 superb, thanks for the info that's great, much appreciated
hi can you share if you changed anything for the cache and the core settings in throttlestop?
Hoping someone is still around to chime in. For my first gaming laptop would a good deal on a g7 2070 max q be good enough to run BF5 and other similar shooters? Kinda steered towards the 2070 laptop version because I want power, or do i ditch the Dell's altogether because they're hot as the sun
Great video!
Thanks, appreciate that !
What do you mean by tweaked and why does it give better FPS and lower temps.
I have G7 7590- i7 9750h, GTX 1666ti, the 8gb Ram DDR 4, 2666Mhz and 128gb M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drive (Boot) version. I would like to upgrade the RAM to 16gb and m.2 SSD to 512gb. I am requesting you to help me with this.
Can you suggest me the correct brand and model of RAM and appropriate m.2 SSD that are available in Amazon, newegg or best buy that fits correctly with the G7 7590? Is it possible to replace 1tb HDD with Samsung 860 QVO SATA SSD?
Thanks, your response will be greatly helpful.
Hello, you mentioned that you get approx 5.5 hr battery life streaming UA-cam videos. I have the same G7 model (2070 MQ / 144 Hz / 90whr battery / 512gb Toshiba NVMe) but I can barely get 3.5 hours out of streaming with similar brightness settings. Can you tell me what adjustments you did to achieve this time ?
I am already undervolting -150 CPU, power settings on balanced, alienware CC profile on "dell", with only apps opened for throttlestop, chrome, McAfee.
Thank you.
I have battery saver on, in also went into the Dell settings, there is a battery optimize mode setting. I used that but changed brightness to 25% as I use that setting in all my tests.
The key lighting should be off.
Check CPU clock speed and power usage. I wouldn't expect anything higher than 1000 MHz really and 3 to 5 watts.
@@OWNORDISOWN Thanks for your info. For other UA-cam viewers who may be interested, I was able to stream UA-cam for ~9-10 hrs with the following settings.
- Brightness to the 3rd/4th lowest level
- Volume ~30
- Power saver mode
- Dell Power Manager profile on Quiet
- Throttlestop with ~150mv undervolt, speedshift @ 180, turbo disabled
- No USB plugged in and no keyboard backlights
- Control panel > hardware and sound > power options > edit plan settings > Advanced settings > ACHI Link Power Management - HIPM/DIPM on battery: Lowest (google around to see how this can be enabled on your computer)
With that said, my videos were streamed without maximizing it was on autoplay, hence some videos are not graphically intensive. I also tried some basic productivity tasks with this setting (web browsing, basic excel, non-intensive multi-tasking) and don't notice much difference.
Battery drain seems to be an issue when put into sleep. When shut down, the issue is not as bad but it is still noticeable (~2% one night)
What happened to all the customization we were promised at CES? No G-Sync? No variety for SSDs? etc.
I recall them offering us fan control, even a 2080 MQ G7... Even an OLED one...oh well.
Does upgrading ram void warranty? Nice video btw
Thanks Jairo ! No, it doesn't :)
how to you change the LED color I really need help. Alt + F10 does'nt change it
Nice review! Thank you!
Thanks for watching!
Did you make sure the CPU fan was actually functioning?! In comparison to the GPU fan it's doesn't appear to be 'less' heat dissipation as you concluded, it looks entirely non-existant...
How much degree drop to expect with a weaker GPU? With the 1650 for example... will it be way cooler and quieter or just a bit?
Hi Iskandar - I saw one of your comments was in spam, think it was because you added a link.. So sorry for missing this one - certainly if the GPU uses less power and the heat pipes are shared that will make aa difference.
@@OWNORDISOWN Better late than never, thanks )
Could you post a link to what ram I should get to upgrade it to dual channel?
I’m about to go get this is it the best at it’s price?
Can you use the Alienware Graphics Amplifier with this? If not, can you use a generic external GPU set up?
The AMP uses a proprietary port only found on Alienware laptops. The G7 should have a TB3 port to connect to a regular eGPU
Awesome. Thanks for the speedy reply. This definitely helps inform my decision of this laptop.
The price seems a little steep, even with the discount.
It's about the same level as the 1070 max Q ones were when they launched. You can imagine how pissed I was when I paid a whopping $2400...
Hi OWNorDisown, what app do you use to monitor cpu usage? THX:)
I use MSI Afterburner for the on screen overlay. Make sure to download Riva Tuner 7.2 2 from Guru3d. I also use HWinfo64 to measure average and max values
@@OWNORDISOWN THX :)
Questions can you change the battery and storage memory?? for better ones?? if so which ones??
Yes, if you can get the 90wh battery you should be able to put it in. Yes, you can upgrade the memory and storage
@@OWNORDISOWN that's super awesome! thank you for replying! Im very new to pc gaming that's why I was asking 😁 also does dell sell what i need in their website??
@@Sef1rosu Dell do sell batteries on their website , I strongly recommend that you call them or do their online chat first to make sure they offer the right one. When you are configuring your laptop on their site you can pick battery size etc.
Thank you for making this video
Thank you for watching it :)
Does that mini display port on the back allow for Gsync output to a Gsync enabled monitor!?
I'm not sure mate. Although I don't have access to a Gsync monitor I should have tried it on my Freesync monitor and checked to see if I could have got that to work via the control panel. Sorry, just ran out of time.
Do you know if I can put that 90Wh battery in a Dell G5se? It look like it'll fit if I remove the 2.5 hdd.
You can configure it with the 90wh battery so you should be able to do it yourself too
G5- good battery life, but discharges under load. G7 - doesn't discharge under load but for the same battery has poor battery life. WTH Dell? Get it right!
Thanks for the review! The top of the lid looks exactly like my G3 black version lol, aside from the hinge.
Daniele Magrì dude, because they both have Nvidia optimus(which enables Nvidia graphics only during games or resourse demanding applications) it doesn't matter what graphics they have.
And G7 has worse battery life, but according to your logic it should have better battery life, not worse
Daniele Magrì ok, I didn't know these things about the G7, but if G5 doesn't have optimus, how the heck does it manage to have good battery life at all? Asus gaming laptops with the same battery have really poor battery life when they don't have optimus. Not to mention those bulky high end gaming laptops which always have Nvidia graphics on - none of them have above 3 hours having massive 90-99 watt hour batteries
The only real difference I can see is the screen refresh rate and brightness . The G5 had 60 hz panel that is less than the 144 hz on the G7 and brightness wise, well the G7 at 25% is 88 nits whilst the G5 at 50% is 65 nits. The CPU power pull on the G7 was similar to the G5 so those two things are the only thing I can think of unless Optimus didn't work as well on my G7..
I have the new G7 17( 7790, i5 8300H RTX 2060) and in two hour session gaming it does NOT get discharged a bit when plugged.
Ismael Soriano but I didn't say that it gets discharged, I said(based on what Stephen said) that G5 does.
You shouldn't use the brightness percentage in windows when doing the battery tests, 25% on one laptop could be 50 nits while on another it could be 100nits which would be unfair. Good video though
Thanks, glad you liked it. The reason I don't that way is because the average person doesn't set their laptop to 100 nits as soon as they unplug. Most people won't have the ability to test brightness, all they will do is adjust the windows brightness slider. Got to make it real world otherwise it's meaningless...
Can u suggest me a best laptop under 1200$ ... I'm an computer science engineering student...that is available in India...Love your explanation...GREAT WORK👌👌
Glad you like my videos ! I think with the 17% sale Dell has the G5 with the 2060 comes out to be $1160 plus if you sign up for their rewards you get free credit plus points back. Just add another stick of RAM :) www.dell.com/en-us/shop/laptops/new-15/spd/g-series-15-5590-laptop
@@OWNORDISOWN That configuration you suggested costs around 2000 dollars in India, with a 256 GB SSD and a 5400 rpm mechanical hard drive, so that means a smaller battery. I don't know why stuff is so expensive here. Your videos are great, by the way.
@@debabratasahoo6487 28% tax and import duty
This specific g7 is currently on sale. G7 or y740? Both 144hz 2070maxq. Which would be better if lets say they are about the same price? And why? Thanks in advance!
The G7 is good for better battery life and it's more mobile because the power brick is smaller. The Y740 no longer has fan control but still uses the 90w 2070MQ so performance still a bit better and you have Gsync, the RGN keyboard is one of the best, although the keys pushed to the right might take some getting used to.
Both systems will need a hit of tweaking to run cool.
Speakers on the Y740 probably a bit a better.
For ne Gsync is a good advantage , tou can switch to hybrid graphics but battery life will still be worse than th he G7 if you get the larger battery on that.
@@OWNORDISOWN just checked again that the 2070mq y740 is a bit more expensive. Might go for the g7 cause its cheaper. Thanks!
@@chaoseus nice! Enjoy your new laptop mate 👍
Will you review the G7 with OLED s screen? It's already out!
Only if I get a review unit. I bought the 8th gen one when it came out and reviewed that already.
Hey OWNorDisown, can you confirm if the Dell G5 and G7 come with G-Sync?
I'm really considering the Dell G5 15-Special Edition. Now before you ask why, that's because I want the RTX 2060 with the 144hz panel and the problem with the G7 is that for some reason I can't get the 144hz panel without upping to the RTX 2070, thus raising the price.
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If you’re worried about value, you might be best off with the MECH 17 by Eluktronics on Amazon. It comes with a full-size 2060 or 2070 (not the dialed down Max-Q versions), and for $1399 starting, you get an RTX 2060, 17” slim-bezel, 144hz 1080p IPS panel, 8gb RAM, 128gb SSD, and great thermal performance. And it’s all customizable from there (ram, ssd, hdd, battery size, thermal repasting, OS, etc.). Just keep in mind, opting for storage in the 2.5” drive will reduce the battery size as the “extended” battery takes up the 2.5” drive. I’d recommend not taking the upgrades (other than on the GPU), and installing your own 2666mhz DDR4 ram and m.2 ssd when the unit is delivered.
Here’s a review from Dave2D as well on the laptop:
ua-cam.com/video/6bLG0GcCYik/v-deo.html
@@criscringle6627 I customized the Eluktronics laptop and it came out to $1,599.99. The Dell G5 with the RTX 2060 is still cheaper by $400 dollars.
doesn't come with g sync and because of that allows for nvidia optimus for better battery life
Hey there, yes, there is NO Gsync on the G series.
whats a normal temp for cpu for playing demanding games? is it really normal to get 90 degrees?
Yeah, anywhere from 65 to 100 I have seen. The BIOS may have it throttle down usually 93 to 95 degrees. Some Gigabyte ones i have seen it cap around 90 which I think is a good idea.
I just ordered a 2060 based one since there was a rebate. My goal is to replace my 8700 tower that has become impractical (I keep being on the move). Im glad to see my assumptions were correct, bigger chassis means better cooling potential, I knew I'll have to throttle/undervolt the cpu to stay within 45w and was ok with that, after all razer drastically throttles the same CPU and gets good performance regardless. I hope to be able to undervolt mine by 0.150 when I get it and adjust other settings, like max boost to taste in xtu. Question I have is am I overly optimist about achieving reasonable thermals long term?
I think you may need to adjust the multiliers too unless you use quiet mode with the undervolt, but am confident then you will have great temperatures long term. I have just been notified that Dell may view that undervolting will void your warranty so I am checking on that with them.
@@OWNORDISOWN Thanks for getting back to me. It would be quite silly for Dell to consider undervolting as something worth voiding warranty over.
@@zanfr123 it would be crazy. Umar, who runs their You Tube channel has been posting about it on Twitter. I asked him for clarification
@@OWNORDISOWN Yeah I just saw your tweet... might be too late for me to cancel... if confirmed it would be quite insane, especially since as you mentionned, they themselves do it in AWCC and it has become such a common tweak on 8th gen i7 laptops...
I was wondering... you mentionned the CPU-side fan doesn't seem to be blowing much hot air... is it evening reving up? is it, lol, blowing air in the right direction?
I was so close to pulling the trigger on this variant laptop but with dual channel RAM, until I saw those temps. Nope! Especially after two Dellienware m15 laptops overheating as well.
I bought a laptop dell g7 7790 of 144hz i5 rtx 2060 but when I open the settings and resolution there is only 60hz why?? Please help 😣 I bought the laptop for 144hz and there is no option for it I even updated everything
Nice review, thank you.
Thanks for watching !
m having a problem wit mine it only gives me a option between 300 and 60 on my hz and i want 165
Sir do u prefer us the dell g7 17 with rtx 2060? Also which g7 has fingerprint sensor on it? Bcz US models dont have fingerprint on them
I haven't tried the 17" model but I did get one comment from someone who has it. He said it ran cooler so that is good to know. As for the finger print reader I don't know, sorry. Perhaps their sales people can help you?
@@OWNORDISOWN thanks for the reply sir.... i contacted the sales team, they said US versions dont have fingerprint sensor but UK versions do have..... i have one suggestion for u sir.... u live stream through cam... plz use obs for streaming so we could know more better reagarding colour accueacy of the panel
Also plz tell how is the colour accuracy of new G7?
@@RTXBOBLEE the difficulty with that is that you will not an accurate representation of frame rates and clock speeds as the system itself is handling the work load of stream. I do use a second PC to handle the stream using OBS, but the problem of sending the feed to via HDMI via the capture card limits it to 60 fps because of Optimus. I figure that most people want to see accurate temps and frame rates. That being said I may switch my camera to the G7 as that has better colour reproduction. I just need to work out how to bypass the 20 minute video limit on that camera.
In my review I have been using the camera to capture the colour reproduction, perhaps I can do a shot using OBS.
@@RTXBOBLEE all in my video...91% sRGB, 63% NTSC, 68% adobeRGB
when you test with ur tweaked setting with the help of throttlestop, do u use ultra-performance mode or still using quiet mode because I did not catch ur words quick enuff
Performance mode
@@OWNORDISOWN thxs
@@OWNORDISOWN It's still possible for it to exceed 90°C?
@@ahuman8711 if I recall I downclocked the CPU to 3700 mhz and that proved OK, but every laptop is different. On some I have had to drop to 3300 mhz before. Since my review on this G7 they released a max fan option and I heard that does a decent job so you may not even have to go to 3700 mhz now..
@@OWNORDISOWN I actually have the same model as u
U think it is a defective model with CPU air flow?
Does the dell g7 come with a 144 standard or??? I bought one and couldn't select screen options
It probably does now. When I ordered mine they were being cheapskates and had the 60 Hz as an option
@@OWNORDISOWN oke ! Hoping its a 144 hz then ;p
Is the Dell G7 with RTX 2060 good for 3D rendering?
Do you recommend 15 or 17 inch?
Or is the older G7 better at cooling?
Which is better at high weather temperature?
Is the Quiet mode and undervolting enough?
Thanks.
the 17 inch is a huge laptop, i have the g7 15 from last year and its pretty big
I think quiet mide with undervolting is enough, but personally , if you are going to the trouble of undervolting you might as well change the multipliers to 37 otherwise you will be at around the 3100 Mhz mark. 3D rendering will be just fine for it. It handled both Cinebench R20 and Vray well. With my settings I am sure it will handle a warm ambient temperature too. If you find it does start to get warm just lower the multipliers a bit further...
@@OWNORDISOWN what do you mean lower multiplier? Is there a tutorial?
Also I have read this www.notebookcheck.net/Undervolting-your-Dell-laptop-can-void-the-warranty.415008.0.html
So I am not sure if changing anything is going to void the warranty or not.
Is Dell G7 better or Acer Predator Triton 500? At cooling and Display color accuracy.
@@christianelouca5031 Thanks for sharing that article. I am going to message Frank Azor and get clarification...It could be a deal breaker for all enthusiasts. Even system Integrators like Hidevolution often undervolt the system out the box.
You have to use Throttlestop to lower the multipliers, I basically change Speedshift + EPP to 1 and disable BDprochot, then apply the undervolt offset to the core and cache - usually around 120-140 mv is enough , then I change the turbo boost time limit to 96. I change the multipliers to suit, if its too hot then I lower them one step at a time. Usually around 37 is good. The other settings I mention help lock in that core clock, as you see in my game play it basically sticks at the 3700 Mhz.
@@christianelouca5031 the Acer Triton 500 definitely has better cooling, I really like it. Will be live streaming it tonight on Twitch and edit it to upload on YT. The 17" G7 I heard from one viewer that it is indeed cooler but I haven't tested it myself
when you say 4 zone lighting does it mean it has only 4 colors?
No, the keyboard is split into 4 zones from left to right. You can change each zone to whatever colour you want or have them all the same colour if you wish
Which is better for the long term: Aero 15 2070 or G7 2070 if money is not a problem?
For me the Aero as it is smaller, lighter and has two m.2 slots whilst still having a 94w battery. They are also offer a free RAM upgrade after watching my review 👍
how many nvme ports? how many hdd ports?
when you use throttlestop settings, what do you do with the dell power management settings? do you just keep it at optimized and go for ThrottleStop undervolt?
Just wanna make sure dell power management settings don't interfere with my throttlestop undervolt settings
I kept it at Ultra Performance otherwise the may clock lower than what I wanted it to do...
@@OWNORDISOWN Hi! Your reviews are great! Thank you for answering to my questions! On some other comment you have said that undervolting + quit mode is the way to go. Or is it better to use ultra mode and undervolting? Is there a difference between the 2 approaches in thermals and real world performance after all? Also, I have the 9750H version, what is the undervolting sweet spot for this CPU?
@@TheSamun Glad you like them! Personally I would undervolt and lower the CPU multipliers to around 37 but not everyone is comfortable doing those things as quiet mode was a decent standard profile to pick with little effect on frame rate. I find that for the 9750h an undervolt on the core and cache of -140 to -150mv is good. You can lower the core further if you like , perhaps to about -160 to 170mv .
You can also undervolt the GPU if you like but I prefer lowering the CPU clock a bit and keep the GPU boosting as high as it can.
@@OWNORDISOWN I really thank you for answering back, not many people do, I appreciate it!!! I agree with your approach, that is, CPU under + GPU same or over if max Q design. How do you like generally to undervolt the CPU cache in the 9750h? You have said before that the G7 performs optimally under 45watts. Does it stay automatically under this threshold due to the CPU core/cache undervolt or you explicitly set a limit in the TPL tab of throttlestop? Thanks again :) Ι have just bought the 7790 and I try to fine tune it.
@@TheSamun no problem, I look at this way. If someone can take the time to watch my video and comment the least I can do is reply 👍
In the TPL tab you can adjust the PL1 and PL2 watts, I usually keep them default unless the system is really trying to push too many watts. Lowering these will lower the clock speed of the CPU but I usually prefer to change the multipliers and lock in the click rate on the first page: change speedshift EPP to 1 and disable BDPROCHOT. On the TPL tab I do increase the turbo time limit to 96.
I would use the laptop and take note of what the average clock speeds and temps are and adjust accordingly. For example if it averages 3500 mhz, changing the multipliers to even 37 will give a better performance and still lower the temperatures.