"They Are Mentally ill..." | Nijisanji Vtuber Calls Out Anti, Vtuber Agency Debuts 27 Talent
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Hey if you’d like further context into reasons why Enna has said this, please read this thread from Reddit. They have put together every instance of antis harassing Enna. As I’ve said many, many times before, PLEASE do not harass the talents. I did not leave out this context of the video on purpose, I’ve covered these antis in previous videos but, should have included them in this one as well. I will address this further in a video and stream soon: www.reddit.com/r/kurosanji/s/oUlKDaV7yQ
That's good your starting to actually bring up things the antis did. I do recommend you should start mentioning previous anti drama too since this drama as a whole needs to end. It isn't helping the victim who wants to move on and certainly isn't helping the talents
I guess it's better late than never to address the context, considering a lot of the comments for this video have already been shitting on enna
@@cartoonfan1018 if only you knew the half it
Ask her not to harass or bully her co workers, it's a bit ironic after she bullied someone to suicide she's suddenly taking issue when it's her in the hot seat
@@darkshaman98 You're one of the reason why the antis became toxic lately, that's clearly just a mere speculation and look at you drawing conclusions. If you were in her position how would you feel getting harassed over a baseless speculation? Even if you have a concrete evidence, that doesn't necessarily mean you get the "harassment" card, even worse if it's just a speculation 🤦♂️
If she wasn't bothered by the criticism she wouldn't feel the need to adress it regularly.
EXACTLY
Her fans are the ones asking her about. Did you even watch the clip?
@@OpalBerries And she's the one picking out the comment and addressing it instead of ignoring it. Did you even watch the clip?
@@OpalBerries Yes, and thats why i know that she said that she's not bothered by it, i'd like to return you the question now mister
@@RenaleighK Yes, there is always an option. Like how Botan and Chloe responded to tourney collab haters differently.
Ahh yes call your critics mentally ill this totally wont backfire at all
It's like she's telling that to herself😂
Yeah its not like it has backfired everytime...
"Right?"
To be this hung up on something you don't even like, there has to be something going on ups stairs XD
Honestly, what the actual fuck was she thinking? Was she even thinking at all?
@@gihygamergirl-lk5sh does she even think??
Enna really shouldn’t have said anything otherwise they will keep having stuff to say about her
They will say stuff about her regardless. In my opinion, Enna has the right idea: you don't argue with those idiots, you point and laugh at them, sometimes maybe pity, but you don't take them or their words seriously.
@@timeforgottenprince8271 not really
@@timeforgottenprince8271that's a stupid move. The best and only move you should do is shut up and ignore them
@@timeforgottenprince8271 You should audition for Nijisanji, you have the right attitude to fit right in.
The problem right now is if she says anything people will just attack her for it, if she stays silent people will still attack her because thats what they do!! So it's like pick your poison right? And in my opinion staying silent is the better of the two options, as that doesn't invite as much drama. Look what happened when claude talked about the playbutton, people were clowning him for like a week or 2. They need to not acknowledge antis as that makes it worse which was the mistake Enna made.
In my opinion Nexas is a dead on arrival agency. You have to jump through too many hoops just to watch their talents.
Curious on why they want to make the debut such an exclusive event (outside of being paid to do so.)
@@failegion7828 I think it's combination of greed, arrogance and complete misunderstanding of a target audience. The way he's acting on twitter shows all signs of a tech bro, who came just for a quick buck.
@@ThunderPuf Yeah that's what I believe as well. Hopefully the talents don't get screwed over too hard.
Nexas hasn't realized the Vtubing market is beyond saturated... And thats just in this platform. Trying to create a new platform is even more foolish. The market has gravitated to a handful of platforms we don't want any more.
Also that many talents as first gen is not a good sign. Even hololive start with smaller member. Nijisanji approach also have been proven didn't effective.
I'm not a fan of doom posting but this whole thing is just red flag on top of red flags.
Debuting 27 Vtubers at once on a brand new app? What could possibly go wrong?
Oh and the CEO essentially looking down his nose at anyone criticizing their business model as if "mere commoners" couldn't possibly fathom their brilliance? Doesn't seem like a good move to me but what would I know, I'm just a commoner
Yeah and this app is stupidly exclusive too, being on a waitlist. I can't even find it on the play store...
It'll be a bloodbath for views no doubt. That CEO gives me serious "WELL ACHTUALLY" vibes, like is he running this company from his mom's basement?
Someone going all out like a businessman. That doesn't sounds good.
You sadly never hear anything about Victoria and Kunai anymore, not since Claude began hogging the spotlight with the whole "Can't we just ask for it?" regarding the SPB and the fact that Niji has started becoming more male talent focused.
They were targeting the rotten girls, especially on Chinese market.
at this point, being in niji, not hearing anything about a talent is a good thing. better to be silent than to say shit.
@@amazo88Exactly Scarle and Rosemi are doing great and they're not in the focus.
To be fair, it kind of double edged. Their grow might get stunted but because of that, they're away from bad spotlight given current NijiEN situation. Imagine having slow growth + hate comment because you're affiliated with bad company + being new member. That would make real tragedy.
I swear Ninjisanji is a habitual abuser making talents think that being abused and heavily controlled is normal and when the talents get out of Ninjisanji they realize what was done to them and have to get therapy for PTSD before returning to the public light
The problem is that a lot of these talents are young and have admitted that this is their first corporate job and so they don't know that this isn't normal. Plus Niji has unreasonable contracts they don't give the talents any time to read, and again a lot of talents are lacking in the life experience to know that contracts actually AREN'T always legally binding, so they feel more stuck than they really are.
Hiring talents with experience in finance and entertainment is something while allowing them to live their lives with their permission and 0 interference is something hololive and VSHOJO get right. If they wanna compete with them, then they gotta change their contracts, policies, and general guidelines to accommodate their standards. Hell, in the case of Suisei and Kson, respectively, they could bring in an indie talent or 2.@@purelysmetalnightcore
If you see the most recent example with Michie it's anger inducing to watch how broken these people have become. To where any small hint of free will is foreign to them. The sooner Niji falls the better for those girls.
Any attempt that you want to make the audience happy like going 3D or a competition concept is not gonna flow well in Niji.
I see the just 180 their own decision when the Ex-Liver quit out around February. Competence not incompetent is what I picture about Niji these days, so much crack by just one liver referring to all of those that can happen but they themselves can make it happen.
@@Kepothethiefit's bittersweet watching videos of her streams, mika really was abandoned, trying to keep up with everything without even given the resources to do so. I'm glad michie is now in a better place
Any normal management would’ve stopped Enna from saying such things or even helped her to cope with mass criticism. But of course it’s Niji so she had to deal with this herself and evidently she isn’t doing very well. She clearly doesn’t have a backup plan to simply leave. If people wanted her to leave, they better hope Enna is mentally stable enough to understand the situation she’s in, and that she’s going to have a second chance to recover from this trauma once she leaves Niji. Even Mika discussed how scary it is to leave Niji without a backup plan. And she isn’t a part of a drama. Hope she have contact with her former Niji members for guidance
You.. you're great guy. Thanks for your understanding.
C'mon, she can't be this oblivious, even if she's frustratred by the situation just.... don't do this.... It comes off as "These people are harassing me, let's insult them so they get mad and harass me harder!" Brilliant move lol.
She says like 17 times in a 30 secs clip... she ain't the sharpest tool in the shed, she probably IS that oblivious.
So in short, she ignores all criticism. Shocker... She should stop calling people mentally ill and listen to her own words and start working on herself because this isn't normal behavior
Yep, as an ex aloupeep who now hates Niji. I’m mentally ill, thank you Enna. Thank you for calling an ex fan.
Ironic how you say she ignores criticism when it's actually ignoring misplaced hate. None of your niji haters have any proof that these people did anything wrong yet because selen spoke out you decide to jump them with out a second though (even though Doki told you guys to cut the shit many times by now)
@@Atsuma890 I'm not really big fan of vtubers, but I watch them frequently. And Enna, Elira and Selen was those whom I watched the most. After the incident I can't watch niji at all. Like yeah, I'm mentally ill, your fucking company crippled me.
TRUE
@@1m_N0t_CrAzYthe problem is niji canceled canceled their 4th member their most watched content was on
27 talent debut wave is a big flags, and the critism is also make sense but lets see how good their management, they are gambling in it.
I mean I agree that people actively harassing her every time she does something reflects badly on them, but we should still hold people and even more so corporations accountable for their actions. You can't just handwave all the criticism away with "get a life"
Get a life
@@1m_N0t_CrAzY What about you get one by stopping answering to every single comment on this comment section, buddy?
It's Hypocrisy to me. Like she had ZERO issues hating on her coworker and throwing her under the bus. But then acts like her Haters are all Mentally Ill for hating on her for being a TERRIBLE human. She could have stayed silent. She could have made a Public Apology. Yet her Lack of Remorse just fans the flames of Hate.
Like even IF she was never responsible of the Original Bullying, she had ZERO issues bullying Doki AFTER!!
@@1m_N0t_CrAzY says the guy that is going through every comment so he can defend his beloved black company instead of just ignoring them i tough apple bros were bad but you niji white knights are something else reminds me of a certain president and his fans also you keep asking for proof so i asked where is your proof that enna and niji didnt do those horrible things.
@@1m_N0t_CrAzYare you Enna's alt account or something
Nexas really said go big or go home
They are probably going home, I hope they have a good contract that pays them enough money to survive the drought of viewers.
The vtuber community is getting tired of shitty companies trying the shotgun approach and treating people like shit. Maybe I’m wrong, but this company is doomed to fail and I hope the talents didn’t sign something fucking stupid and borderline illegal.
@@simpledj509chromo7let's wait and see. I hope nexas didn't end up like kurosanji. Or V&U (talents are decent. But bad management)
@@simpledj509chromo7 I think the CEO missed that many people won't want to support a company with a bad or rude CEO even if the talents are good. So his attitude may very well cost them even more potential viewers.
Imagine calling people who criticize you “mentally ill” (textbook gaslighting) after one of your ex-coworkers literally attempted suicide over your bullying. Be so real 😭 I used to be a fan of Enna’s but for her to sit there and call people who criticize her “mentally-ill, self-loathing, and boring” She fr isn’t beating the bullying allegations
I think working there and been gaslighting her coworker like Kyo really flare up her nose.
Not to mention that many of her current coworkers are struggling with severe mental health problems on a daily basis. This just isn't it. Some Niji antis do go too far, but calling them mentally ill isn't a good look. Just call them crazy or horrible, or out of line or whatever, but using mental illness as an insult is just way too low
There are also those who are mentally ill that don’t actively seek to better themselves and choose to try to bring people down with them. Being mentally ill isn’t a free pass to be judgemental, where as your feelings of insecurities are valid, you’re still responsible for your actions.
@@tsundereyanderebaka4814 Why are you insulting niji sister like that dude.
@@signumxmagnum wait what- I’m sorry it wasn’t my intention to do so. I don’t follow in the drama at all since I’m just a casual fan but this popped up in my feed. I just want to see people game and make me laugh once in a while and caring about the drama calls for more energy than it’s worth.
Enna cant keep her mouth shut, shocker
Incapable of returning to her likable 2020 days
Reminds me of that meme with a lawyer yelling "SHUT UP, SHUT UP...." :)
The hatedom is stressing out the talents....shocker
She was responding to chatter, she didn't bring it up randomly.
@@OpalBerries and she chose to answer that person. So its not random. She could or rather SHOULD have ignored it and keept her mouth shut.
If her name wasnt in the doc, she wouldnt be criticise. She still acts like usual, but the context to her behaviour changes
You mean the doc that no one knows the content inside? That doc that people like to bring up as "proof" of misdeeds
Can you tell me exactly what they did and the proof you have to make such a slanderous claim?
Otherwise stop making false accusations
@@1m_N0t_CrAzY
Her name being mention
Puts a layer of context to the things she has said and done where it circles around to being too coincidental for it to be false.
You apply the "How many points does it take for you to see it's a fcking line"
I agree it may be vague but multiple sources of incontext coincidences makes it honestly hard to say she wasn't part of the clique that bullied selen and harassed others.
Being too blind against so many points that makes it a line is also ignorant just as ignorant as being vague though, you can still give a benefit of the doubt, but right now til proven otherwise she is definitely what the revealed context and information say she is.
@@1m_N0t_CrAzY Even if the name wasn't in the doc, everything else she's done just makes her look more guilty. An that's not even all the UNNECESSARY hate she's given Doki. I mean that whole Black Screen Stream that happened when Doki was TRYING to Move On, and happened during her Big Return was SHITTY AF. Working at a company that drove someone to Self Harm so bad she went into the Hospital. etc.
So even IF she somehow was NOT responsible for the Original Bullying, she sure had 0 issues bullying her AFTER!!
That's not true. Quite a few livers completely unrelated to the Selen situation have been getting contant harassment and threats, sometimes even in their personal PO box.
Aia, for example.
Two things can be true at the same time. Niji's management is awful, but a lot of Niji streamers are getting hated, harassed and threatened for absolutely no reason other than simply not quitting their jobs at the company.
I'm not going to defend what Niji did, but there's definitely a fair share of bandwagon hating and harassment going on.
@@Mezha07 that's why i love america, what your promoting is guilty until proven innocent
Thats ass backwards my friend
She basically took the DSP route:
Acknowledge that the trolls exist. Doing that means it genuinely bothers you.
Insult them in a deceptively calm tone to hide the fact that it bothers you. Ironically, "mentally ill" is DSP's go-to troll insult.
Display some hint of narcissism to hide your anger and try to put yourself above the thing that bothers you. In Enna's case, patting herself on the back, as she so put it.
In short: never go full Pigroach.
Gotta say I'm mad at you to make me realize that Enna is a DSP clone, at first she look like your normal narcissistic mean girl but now she looks like a pathetic middle age man begging for money.
But even that DSP with all his pathetic behavior is fun to laugh at but her is just... Not worth it.
Yeah Enna is like a female version of dsp
Plus they allways complain while playing a game
It's so freaking annoying
and why I can't stand watching Enna
A DSP reference, holy shit. But pretty accurate tbh
What's dsp
@@user-br4qy6cj5g Dark Side Phil a man, a lolcow, a legend, someone that only lives for pity and laughs.
Why would you force people to fill out a google doc form just to see the app? Im not filling out a form for anything. RIP those vtubers, I feel so bad for them. I hope they'll be ok.
Enna sounds exactly like a narcissist friend I cut out of my life.
That last story is just wild. The CEO seems like a complete narcissist. He must be getting some good money from Anilive to do this on their platform.
Speculating: Perhaps he owns (or is directly in the employ of) the platform and this is a publicity stunt.
@@ropewash4432 Probably is that, the CEO must be owner or has stocks is that app. And this move is a plan to create a new plataform were all the talents are also their employs, but with the trick that the money will come from others vtubers that migrate to the app bringging their own fans
For Nexas and AniLive... Just a guess, but with 27 talents, they can probably achieve a 24/7 TV channel style program block. Pre-planned minimal overlap between the talents, and create an environment where audience can "tune in" any time of the day.
Using the classic “they are all mentally ill” and “I’m working on myself” get out of jail free cards that make your argument instantly look sus. Gaslighting 101 and at this point these Niji folks are gaslighting themselves.
Ninji shotgun approach back fires.
Nexas " the mistake they made was not committing to the see what sticks method hard enough. Go full saturation"
The mentally ill ones are the unhinged Nijisisters you really love, Enna. Have you seen what crazy things they do? Doxxing and swatting youtubers who defended Doki, making a rentry hitlist which includes innocent bystanders, making that smear campaign document insisting that it's the "truth", attacking the Niji livers they don't agree with (Scarle), etc etc.
It's not really a secret that some of those Niji "insane" sister, had led to someone attempting to suicide, and their reaction is laughing and pitying that it failed. Talk about demon in human skin.
Enna would have a point if the people that were being criticized, did not play an active role on someone making, not 1, but 2 attempts on their life. We are not talking about a little bit of drama. Someone was pushed to the very edge. The criticism should only go away when Niji acknowledges what management did as well as what their employees did and promptly fire all responsible. Or Niji goes bankrupt. This is one of the very few times where as a fan being quiet does more harm than speaking out.
The harassment needs to stop because these haters are judging people based on not proof but their own feelings on the matter
Like I hav esaid: Regardless if she was guilty of the ORIGINAL Bullying...she 100% is guilty for everything that happened AFTER that was Mean & TERRIBLE behavior.
To say nothing of behavior that leads people to believe she's guilty of the very crimes she's accused of. She could have walked away, she could have stayed silent like Rosemi. Yet she fanned the Flames of Hate against Doki.
I'm curious, what do you mean by "an active role"?
There has been no mention of vtubers harassing doki that’s yall trying to point fingers. Yall are attacking livers over a false misinformation doki has not mentioned anyone nor does that document mention harassment.
@@1m_N0t_CrAzY I agree that harrassment of talents should stop. I believe that all interaction with talents should stop. From what past talents have said and the Sayu and Doki situations, Niji is a company that shouldn't be supported in any way. Unless you give donations to a talent that doesn't get a cut taken by Niji then people should stop paying them. Niji themselves brought up Bullying first, not Selen, which they never denied nor apparently did anything about. Niji's practices are extremely shitty compared to other companies. Niji as a company deserves to go under.
I cant wait for the 'no wait, you misunderstood what i said'
This woman is just pure spite 😂😂😂
I mean, it is her lore lol, not even hell could hold her.
@@ElysiumEverlasting777 nah bro this chick was never kayfabe to begin with 🤣
@@wunkah kayfabe?
Kayfabe is like portraying your acting/lore as "real". What the guy meant was that she wasn't acting her lore, that's just how she is in real life.
Think Rushia. The menhera attitude wasn't an act all along lol.
What's there to misunderstand? Girl got dragged into a situation she had no place in and a bunch of crazy people are seeing ghosts.
*Nijisanji management* is despicable. But in my mind, the most despicable thing they've done was when they went out and tried to "refute" allegations that "Selen made" that livers and management alike were responsible for the bullying. Because since they're so untrustworthy, people automatically thought that the opposite of what they claimed was true, namely that there were livers involved. Which Selen/Doki never actually claimed. Not publicly, anyway.
I don't believe that any of the talents bullied Selen, at least not _while she was Selen;_ Elira and Vox's actions in the black screen stream probably count as bullying (not Ike's, because he basically just stood there and added nothing of substance). And I will never forgive Nijisanji for trying to turn the fans' anger on the talents.
If they didn't do anything wrong there'd be nothing to criticise, if it isn't the consequences of her own actions. It's frustrating rather than accept very fair criticism the talents try to act like it's everyone elses fault, very manipulative.
Not true, people that dont like you will always find a way to hate you even if they have no proof that say your guilty
The criticism to kurosanji is fair and due, but I hard disagree with your first statement. There are a lot of freaks that'll take anything they can get to cause drama over absolutely nothing
@@1m_N0t_CrAzY I mean there's some of that, but almost never to this degree while being so public. Regardless of whether or not Enna actually was responsible for the Original Bullying, she was 100% involved in the NEW Bullying. Let's not forget that she NEVER apologized for that Black Screen BS that happened during Doki's Return Stream AFTER she moved on. For spreading Propaganda & Misinformation. For being so MEAN as to do that during Doki's Stream. Even IF it was pre-recorded, she NEVER apologized publicly for it.
Hell you want to talk about someone getting Bullied for BS, Sayu got hate for talking about how TERRIBLE Niji is and one bad joke. I mean her joke was bad, but her Biggest Sin was DARING to say Niji had issues. Issues that OTHER Ex-Niji have CONFIRMED!! I mean look at Matara pre & post VShoujo. Yet while Doki and others have gotten MAJOR popularity, she's NEVER recovered. An she STILL gets hate. Like I don't agree with her hate, but NONE of her Haters seem to recognize she was a Cassandra like figure
I don't know why the other two replies here are fixated on your first sentence. I think it's rather obvious you mean there wouldn't be legitimate criticism of Kurosanji if they did nothing wrong. No doy there will always be people who will nitpick everything a public talent does. It's just that recent events have kicked up the scrutiny a few notches. Anyway, to address the latter point of your comment, I've noticed that as well, how absolutely no one admits to any wrongdoing, be it by certain talents or the company as a whole. They always act like all criticism is unwarranted and then turn around and criticise their critics. I know that, just as a rule, you wouldn't talk bad about a company for which you work, but would it really be so horrible for just one talent to come out and say, "Yeah, this company has issues"? It makes one wonder what kind of deterrent is in place to prevent such things from being said.
@@h3ro0fhyrule40 We've seen the deterrent. The moment you criticise them and are out of the cliques, you'll be harrassed till you quit, or they can find an excuse to fire you. And from what we've seen from other talents, being seen as a problem by the cliques is VERY bad news, and I'm sure they'll be able to actually sue someone if they were to publicly criticise the company while still working for them. It's one when someone have "left" as we've seen in the past, as they likely wouldn't be able to win any lawsuit, but that changes if the statements are made public as an ongoing employee
Enna calls out weirdos for acting like weirdos, weirdos get mad.
I hate Nijisanji (the company, not the vtubers) but if a Hololive vtuber did this everyone would be cheering for them
Kuro, Enna, and many others really need to learn to shut up and ignore things. Bringing this to light is just more fuel to the fire of that sinking yacht.
Edit: To prevent further confusion: I meant it as that Enna and Kuro need to ignore people that are talking about the company. Kuro brought the AR live to light and people attacked Rima, and now Enna is bringing light to people bad mouthing her because of how bad her company is and the shit that she’s done since the Selen drama began.
Yeah no doki should had shut up as well by your logic
nah, don't bother lol because everytime they do that they always give content to these people and to consume by us and also by keep on talking about the things they do, they'll just creating a bullet just to shoot against theirs fr
Cringy ass nijisister above me so be careful 😱😱
@@goddessofchaos2679 DoKi sHoUld HavE LeT hER EX BlAcK COmPaNy SLaNdEr HeR DUuR
There is a difference between releasing a statement to clarify and defend yourself against PUBLIC slander by an ex employee and another to address anti shit. Please leave the internet, child.
@@goddessofchaos2679 Shut up about what? Doki was being attacked by the company she worked for. Enna has random people online talking about her. These are not the same thing.
NijiEN tubers make sure the drama stays relevant. Know what's the best reaction to haters? To ignore them. Sooner or later they'll move on when the bee nest they're poking doesn't react.
Debuting 27 new vtubers together on UA-cam or Twitch would be a bad idea. Debuting a handful of vtubers on that new app would be a bad idea.
Doing both is just baffling
When will Niji actually tell their talents to stop giving more fuel to the fire
Me: I don't think about the critics at all
Also me: hey critics you hear that? I don't even think about you
I'm like, sooooooo unaffected by all the haters. Like, did you see how unaffected I am... HEY GUYS, LOOK, I'M UNAFFECTED BY ALL THE HATERS
Same can be said about the hate
The best course of action is to boycott and ignore
Also the hatedom: i just sent my 5th death threat to the livers this week
@@1m_N0t_CrAzY stop lying bro
@@1m_N0t_CrAzY I one thread you defend Niji and call their critics irrational. in the other you say the best course of action is to ignore them. Yeah no, you are shady af.
@@groerhahn225fair from what I’ve seen they’ve been pretty head in the sand but for once they’re the more rational voice around. And unlike them I’ve always been Niji sucks but the livers (for the most part) only have speculation against them rather than actual solid evidence. (Exceptions to Vox, Hex, and Luca) also dokibird asked not to harass so all the people that are attacking her she’s talking against and making fun of, they’re ones that shouldn’t even have the title of dragoon cause they shed a bad light on the rest of us. So maybe people can get ACTUAL proof before running with an outdated narrative to harass. Also stating said narratives that she’s a bully that drove Selen to attempted suicide without adding a disclaimer of that it’s a theory is considered slander. Unless there’s actual proof that is slander. And that I got from legal mindset and sayu so… yah :3
I hate Niji as much as any other but don’t blame the livers when we don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes
debut a lot of talents: ok, it might work.
doing on a new platform that is hard to get: might start bad but maybe it will get better, so ok.
CEO responding to criticism wiith snarky commentary: not that great from a business point of view.
Talents that have lower views will be discontinued: This will backfire so much.
I do not see this company going far with this kind of mentality.
That last statement is literally what everyone fears a Vtuber Industry would do. If Yagoo had his mentality, HoloStars would never existed.
I think Nexas will fail, not because of their Vtuber debut quantity, but because not enough people will want to use Ani live to start watching them. I think that if another bigger Vtuber company had used Ani Live before them and actively promoted it then they would receive more viewers, but as it stands they are putting a Vtubers into a small relatively obscure platform and I don't think they will survive.
Being a hater on the internet just seems super exhausting. It takes real dedication and time.
To them it's fun.
I've trolled some on the internet and getting reactions is what it's all about.
You might think they're wasting their time but it's just entertainment like watching UA-cam or playing games. The ones wasting time are the people engaging them unless of course those people find it fun too.
The literal best counter is to ignore.
Enna never learns from the past. Like shut up for once.
She is right tho 😮
@@slashain She isn't right in generalization. She's going "all antis are bad", thus making herself look miserable. If you can't handle criticism, bad or good, either don't react of perish, that would be a good strategy for her.
@@13-bit-kitten thats because people doesnt stop its like this antis are making them do more by irritating them come on selen has move on if they really did something let the court or the authorities deal with it and move on
@@jidereberaru7496man you really are naive, if you rly think she gets hate because of selen then you wrong. They are so many people in this involved from nijisanji antis,enne antis people that hate vtuber and companys and people that are angry at nijisanji, tourist aka people that don't know shit about vtubers.
@@jidereberaru7496they is no court and never was one. If you don't realize, people like to use the name of the victim to hate on someone. It's hard to say from what you get hate.
As for nexas, feels like they tried to sell the new platform more than the talent,, the talent just feel like new way to drive traffic and users right away
Drama is drama, imagine these vtubers in 2016 UA-cam
Leafy wouldve cooked them and gotten banned even faster
@@saunorineor hacked by hacking groups like lizard squad
And Keemstar and Content Cop would join the fray.
If it weren't for the negativity no one would pay attention.
Based Enna being 100% truthful as usual
I hope the best for the NEXAS talents, but frankly, I'm highly skepticle of the company to say it lightly. The way they've decided to do it clearly takes no consideration for the talents involved. Anyone who has been in the community for a while knows the tragedies that are likely to follow when doing debuts without the proper management set in place, and you want me to believe that a completely new company with basically nothing to start on has the management to handle that many debuts? Unless the CEO behind the scenes is some massive millionaire that has invested incredibly large sums into this project, it's simply not realistic for them to have everything needed for something of this scale. And that's not even going over the fact that it's being done on a different platform, which leaves them with no pre-established safety net from the overall vtuber community. Don't get me wrong, moving onto a seperate platform in and of itself is smart, they'd be going into a newer market with the potential of a way bigger profit, but that's only if handled correctly, which this isn't. It's like if you wanna go into stocks and investments, and you put everything you own into a single random almost untouched investment all at once in one single transaction. Except way worse, cause here there is people involved that will get hurt when it fails
Khyo you should really make a follow up on this, regarding the Reddit thread showing evidence of harassment, because your pinned comment days latter isn't enough, as the contextless damage has already been done.
She's never beating the mean girl accusations at this rate.
Nexas going the Niji route is going to backfire so hard, especially with a mass debut model like this. What were they thinking?
Its not the first, second or third time Enna "addresses" these "antis" if this truly didn't bother her she wouldn't be talking about it. This isn't going to end anytime soon if they keep addressing it.
Also, about Nexas, i feel like they are trying way too many new things at once, this usually tends to end in disaster. He is overstretching his company, giving little to no time for talents to hype themselves for their debuts, 27 talents for how many days of prep? 2 weeks? and 30 min each one after the other? also, how many staff have they hired to oversee these talents? i doubt it's many. Let's not forget a new website, a new app and here comes the worst part: the audience MUST have the app, so they already are forcing their future new audience to do some extra steps just to watch the talents and just to join you have to sign a google form, too many extra steps in a over-saturated market. Too many reasons to fail and the only good going for them is the "revolutionary" feeling to it. Murphy's law dictates a disaster.
She’s clearly stressed out, Enna needs to come to terms with her mistakes.
@@ArcanistShion I believe she is mostly venting but venting to your audience like this in this situation isn't the best. If she was the victim in the "narrative" maybe, but here many who dislike Niji or her believe she is a bully, this name-calling only isolates her and her audience even more because it sounds like "i am tired of being criticized by something i DID", not saying its the absolute truth but that how it sounds like to many who are very critical of her and niji today. In general majority of the community from what i have seen are critical.
Enna putting this message out so shortly after Michi redebuted is just pathetic. Michi repeated the same message of bewilderment at what it's like to work with competent managers and actually be in a healthy work environment that everyone else who left Nijisanji made. She's experiencing real trauma from being in Nijisanji. It's no secret what that company is really like. It hasn't been for a long time now. Enna is just drinking the coolaide, and if she lacks the self awareness to realize it, I have no pity for her.
Enna sounds like she would do the "errr actually" voice very well
"STOP LOOKING FOR THE TRUTH"
Oh right, she was the "kill the truth" person, wasn't she?
Ah yes because you antis are all so mature about this and haven't been the main cause for this drama for the last three months it's not like you all didn't harass elira on her return stream tried ruining enna mothers birthday stream, harassed talents weren't even mentioned and importantly listened to the victim wishes right. But their the issues
It's like.. a textbook case of Stockholm Syndrome going on here.
Vstream was a similar vtuber-only streaming platform that started about a year ago but recently shut down. Their biggest issue was that, while the vtubers streaming there were all talented and entertaining (one of them is a friend of mine and another is one of my kamioshis), none of them ever brought in the numbers necessary to justify the existance of the streaming platform. With the exception of one, they all streamed on both twitch and Vstream and the Vstream numbers were just sad. But at least Vstream could be watched on browser and didn't require an app, but this one is just setting itself up for failure, which is unfortunate since I'm sure the vtubers debuting in it are all talented and entertaining
Two things can be true at the same time.
- Niji's management is awful and the way they treated Selen was despicable, to say the least.
- Harassing and threatening streamers simply because they are part of the company is just as vile.
(especially when it includes streamers that had absolutely nothing to do with the incident).
Hell! Add a 3rd thing there too:
- We still have no idea who did what to Selen/Doki. We know "bullying" was involved, but what kind of "bullying" and by whom is still a complete mystery to anyone other than those directly involved.
While there's definitely a lot to criticize about Niji, there's also quite a bit of bandwagon hating going on.
Well. Its NijiSister targeting Hololivers too.
So they'll join the band hating.
Yeah except for that document Doki send to Nijisanji's lawyers that had Enna's adress in it. But WHO KNOWS what that implies! Uhhh no idea.
@@groerhahn225it implies nothing except that Doki interacted with her in some way. Whether in a negative or positive way is unconfirmed and all you do is speculate (for all we know it could be describing the rumored clique and not bullying, and no, one doesn't equal the other ). No one was ever directly named as the perpetrator in Doki's case and Doki herself told everyone to drop it and move on. If she doesn't intend to reveal the details, no one will unless Niji slips up again.
I've seen you in other comments clinging to that argument for your dear life like you had no other basis for your speculations. If that's all you have then you have nothing and know nothing. Drop the seething and just observe the situation unfold by itself over time
@@zelhin6744 How can you cope that hard? I don't even have to say anything to this. Stop pretending to be stupid.
@@groerhahn225 what? At which point was I coping? If you know something I don't then I'm happy to listen
does she forgot to put a mirror first before she talked like that ?
I am not convinced that they are going to get much of anything due to being on a platform that is still in it's alpha phase. I am almost willing to speculate that the app was either developed by this new company or is getting a favor by having something to pull new viewers into the app.
Niji and its talents should have learned the advantages of shutting up months ago, yet here we are once again
Counterpoint to Enna. Working on yourself can include recognizing toxic patterns of behavior for people you admire and not only consciously drop them but call them out on it.
Also Vox's new outfit is a total retaliation to Shinri. Bro is scared of a husky soft spoken dude that doesn't need to do ASMR or bfe to be successful.
Omg that’s what that is!! I’ve been looking at vox’s outfit and while I think it doesn’t look good (it just doesn’t fit right for me), I thought it looked like someone. If you didn’t know shinri got a shirt 😂 so it’s been a while since I’ve seen him shirtless so I didn’t connect the dots. I feel like I let my oshi down…. Sorry shinwi…
Dude is definitely upset that shinri can be successful without the bfe asmr that once he tries to stop, his views drop. It’s honestly sad that he cultivated an audience like that which doesn’t allow him to do much of what he wants since it doesn’t succeed like the bfe
Yeah nijisanji is just trying to retaliate all holostars atp huh. Claude getting magni’s oshi mark, fulgur literally looking like ves, and now vox. Let’s not forget all the recent collabs and interactions that are pouring down with cover when niji didn’t let the talents communicate before, now they’re trying to have something to do with cover every day lol
@@maryam-nusa I can't cite my sources but on Twitter there's a VT screenshot pointing out his outfit isn't a samurai, but of a peasant levy!!
my fav niji blunder is luca touching his junk while listening to his mod's voice & uki being racially motivated over some old couple greeting him. enna whining is kinda below avg tbh
Enna having an invisible beef with “antis”
Jokes on Enna. I am mentally ill and I fully acknowledge that.
Sounds like she's self convincing herself more than anyone else. Like when you repeat yourself a mantra trying to convince yourself you are fine. She's definitely bothered and cares about the drama, except no one is explaining her this is exactly what's causing it.
TL;DR Maybe move on first if you want others to do so.
Yeah, the first time I heard it is like she was convincing herself that she was doing better.
Dox went full "im still here league cinematic" on his model.
to be fair, those debuts are probably the only things that will be live on the entire app so you get 100% of the viewership directly on the debuts...its just a matter of how much is that viewership
Might be an ai experiment I can't see talents signing up for this willing
Criticism ≠ Harrassment. It's like that one Re:Zero user from Twitter that shows screenshots of questions and criticism for the Re: Zero Season 3 as ACTUAL harrassment.
True however there are people harassing her also spreading a theory that hurts ones image without proof is slander and that is a form of harassment
We know people dislike being called out. They know themselves and what they are. If they are legitimate critics, they shouldn't be affected by this. If they are haters, it depends on their own reasons. And as for the worst type: the trolls-people who simply want chaos and attention-it could make them more aggressive and might even convert them from trolls into haters.
People who unsubscribe from their channels aren't necessarily harassers. Most of them are legitimate fans who were disappointed or had enough, and fans of other talents who are no longer there. Those who choose to remain are either people unbothered by all of this, fans of the remaining talents, or trolls who anticipated the restrictions that would be put in the live chats. They stayed mainly to create chaos on the live chats and, of course, they were also unbothered.
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Addressing critics by labeling them as such is a contentious approach. While it might temporarily deter some, it can also escalate tensions and attract more negative attention.
Positives:
- Deterrence: It may discourage some harassers and haters from continuing their behavior.
- Assertiveness: It sends a message that they won't be affected by the harassment (I don't think so).
Negatives:
- Escalation: It can provoke further hostility and retaliation from haters and trolls.
- Backlash: Labeling critics as mentally ill could be seen as dismissive and insensitive, leading to backlash from both supporters and critics.
- Perception: It may damage their reputation by coming across as unprofessional or confrontational.
Overall, the negatives of such an approach likely outweigh the positives. It's generally more effective to address harassment through moderation, reporting, and fostering a positive community rather than engaging in confrontational tactics.
Damn.. That 4chan yab list of Enna was on point. I thought those were just schizo postings but they line up more often than they should.
Wher is the PR manager? This is rly dumb my god multibillion company bruh
Either cowering,or fired I bet
The what now? Sir this is Nijisanji. If you want PR managers you'll have to go to literally any other Vtuber company.
No seriously, you should unironically do that. A lot of Indies are great, too.
@@groerhahn225 LAMO
Good chance some of the livers don't want to get PR trained. I mean NijiEN's whole selling point is their "freedom of speech", though it turned into yab or drama 90% of the times.
Considering the downturn drop, pressure, and void pessimism along side the people who still will never forgive her for "reasons" that change daily to maintain the feeling
Why do people getting hate always assume their haters spent all their time hating them. That is so narcissistic. Most haters hate casually. They send a tweet there, like some hate posts, and then go about their day. Probably no more than 15mins tops.
Maybe it's reflection or someone close to her *wink wink*. That make her think like that.
She makes a point use the time to hate to better yourself instead if any of the antis spent the time in something like working out and channeling those emotions it would be way better, I believe this because I only come back to view this drama because I find it interesting, and my time is much better used on somewhere that actually matters in my life.
Enna being the kind of person to call her critics "mentally ill" definitely lends credence to the idea that she may have been one of Selen's bullies. This isn't going to help with the issue she has with "antis."
Nexas debuting 27 talents would attract more viewers to the app than 5 or 8 as people wouldn't bother downloading app for a few debuts. The google doc application is the hurdle.
As expected from the *birdbrain* herself! 🤣 She talks first before thinking her thoughts or opinion.
Enna is indeed one the faces of Kurosanji's bigotry and negligence, together with Millie, Hex, and Vox who recently held his birthday stream with an all time low CCV.
the problem is, Enna is deflecting the problem coz she thinks they did nothing wrong which actually what upsets everyone. No one is perfect we do make mistakes, but maturity needs you to own it up, apologize and then do better and make sure that it will not happen again... No, saying other people is the problem making it like she had done nothing wrong is hypocrisy. I use to love Enna and Millie... I liked them a lot because I am an Asian too and relate a lot in their vods... but now, I can't see them in any better light... I tried my best to give them the benefit of the doubt.. I used to be biased to them... Now I just feel like they betrayed my trust... but I will never go to their vods and say this... it's useless, I will just make sure, I will never play any of their MVs and vods
I can't catch a break when ads shows up while I'm watching Khyo talks about Nijijsanji or other stuff also I bet you already know what happened to Kenji
This is such a weird business plan. Going to force so much competition on a brand new space. Why not start with a few on like UA-cam then slowly migrate them to a new site????
Sorry Enna. It'll never stop. Criticism will keep existing. Take what you can, leave out things that don't help. Don't be saying "mentally ill" and make it sound like anyone who criticizes you is sick. That's an L take. I agree, though, that you don't have to criticize every little thing. It's not worth it.
I do think it kind of makes sense that they would debut so many talents all at once on such a new platform. I'm not saying it's a good business strategy (frankly, there are enough v-tubers out there that most would not go through the effort of joining a completely new streaming service).
But if it is such a new platform then it makes sense to populate it with a lot of talents, especially since that way Nexas would likely be the biggest company on that specific platform right away. Those who do start using AniLive to watch V-tuber content will inevitably stumble across their first wave and their company, so it's a pretty solid way to make it difficult for competitor companies to get a start on that platform.
I don't personally think it'll take off just yet due to all the other more accessible platforms that still have a lot of content and which people are used to using. But people's discontent with UA-cam and Twitch specifically has been growing for a while. So I could see AniLive actually becoming more popular over time when established V-Tubers start moving there.
I'm surprised Enna doesn't have a moonlighting gig at Sweet Baby with all this foot shooting
Oh, Enna, you're only relevant because of the people you bullied. Personally I don't think about you at all.
Enna calling those who criticize her mentally ill is the biggest pot-kettle-black fallacy of the year, considering how malicious she's been to other Niji EN livers behind the scenes.
It is only a matter of time before Enna gets her turn to get exposed, since she is one of the most problematic members of Niji EN as it stands; right up there with Vox and Elira.
Sometimes the best move is to _not say anything and keep going_ . Unless it's something absolutely critical to address, responding to hate only keeps fanning the flames.
Debuting 27 talents is insane… im looking forward to it though
She’s the type to keep spreading the hate and denies it happens in niji
27 talents on a brand new app/platform? Don't got much faith in this working out. Hope the best for the talents.
Enna pretending to be unbothered while being really defensive and passive aggressive towards her critics will never stop being funny to me. Bullies getting karma'd will always bring me so much joy.
I wonder how she would handle a mw2 veteran?(or lobby)
I dont think she really plays fps like that, doesnt she have that motion sickness thing
@@1m_N0t_CrAzYthat's not the point hombre
The point that OP is making is if Enna will be able to handle the madness that is MW2's multiplayer lobbies where everyone in voice chat talks mad shit to each other like it's a normal thing to them
On the topic of OP's comment, I don't think Enna would even survive those lobbies since MW2 lobbies from the late 2000's are chaotically built different
Enna calling other people mentally ill while regularly bringing up how she is being criticized is peak "pot calling the kettle black". If she really was unbothered by the criticism, she would ignore it or make a single response to it flatly deconstructing and debunking the claims being made about her.
Would it not have been better to debut the 27 talents on UA-cam/Twitch first, then set them up for streaming on the app and then migrate over to said app? What happens if the app doesn't get the results he was hoping for? Does he persevere or not?
Holy crap 27 within 3 days is insane, and then not on youtube, twitch or tiktok either, thats crazy, 9 talents per day within 4 1/2 hours approximately, Riku is malding right now that he didnt think of this idea
This new ceo needs to be careful the more he interacts with twitter the higher the chance a mishap can happen.
Nexas equals Nijisanji period....but I like to see the long marathon not the short sprint of THIS plan to prove me wrong....btw where is Nexas HQ located Fmi?
Singapore, so they being so ruthlessly cutthroat makes sense
Kyoresu returned, Meica05 anounced her joining idol ES with an animated trailer with the other members too.
About the Nexas exclusive app and shotgun debut situation, its dead on arrival unless they stream on major platforms and space out the talent debuts evenly.
I've heard many times in Linus tech tip wan shows that people only have select few apps that they will use in their lifetime AND introducing another app is very hard to do, recent example is the Watcher introduced their own streaming platform and planned to remove all their old free content from youtube and transfer it in their paywalled streaming site, which backfired horribly.
For the Enna situation, good luck with that.
Because her name was listed in the LEGAL DOCUMENT that the black screen stream provided combined with her dumb mean girl attitude, she will never escape the criticism and hate until she leaves for good.
Oh no bullies are mad about being called out...oh nooooooo...Anyways
Nexus CEO needs better PR.
dont know about the talents but they found a great way to get users on app lets hope they can keep them lmao
That's less a shotgun debut approach and more of a Phalanx CIWS.
What a waste of space. Millie too. Oh yeah, Luca and Uki too
"Even if I didn't like sombody, I still wouldn't go out of my way to critizise everything they do." Yeah unless it's Selen lmao.
Enna demonstrating that she doesn't feel sorry. She feels the need to adress her antis but doesn't feel the need to adress the situation that had one of her "friends" almost die. It's okay, we get it.
Also is yapping about how people that continue to negatively talk about someone else are mentally ill, hate themselves and and aren't trying to be better when she's doing the EXACT SAME THING. She's actually a sociopath. That's not even an insult but my educated guess. She doesn't understand anyone's emotions, not even her own
My friend with all your baseless accusations and slanderous remarks. Im assuming you have proof that the person you hate with all your heart is with out a doubt guilty.
If not please refrain from making a fool of your self :)
If she addressed it she would almost certainly lose her job and we can't construe we know how she actually feels from her words either as we just do not have that information. Perhaps if she was involved she never intended it to cause such harm and is keeping all those feelings inside or wasn't involved at all being charitable in both possibilities although the opposite could also be the case but again how can we know when she cannot address anything without repurcussions on her income and health.
I'll add lastly that if she were to leave the company and then have her pl interact with doki in a positive way how would everyone attacking or criticising feel knowing that they got it wrong from blindly taking rumour as a hundred percent true?
Best thing to do is just not watch any of them as that may eventually lead to the truth coming out whatever it is.
We literally know that Enna was one of the bullies from the fact that Elira leaked that her adress was mentioned in the PR complaint document.
"How dare oyu make assumptions when you don't have 100% undeniable proof!"
That's not how it works buddy. OJ Simpson is a murderer, I don't need to see the proof to know that.
If Enna was even slightly sorry, she wouldn't feel the need to shoot at her critics, it just shows that she is still sticking to the same "Hurr durr those drama tubers spread lies about us" narrative other Vtubers had been yapping about in the past.
But nice try Nijisisters.
Bet this will be the next nijisanji.
adding more fuel to the huge fire