Hey, he reached the world cup quarterfinals with Argentina in 2010...with a talent pool that could have won it all with a proper squad. Fun fact, Cambiasso and Zanetti had won the champions league in 2010. Neither of them were called up for the 2010 world cup! Prior to that, he only had brief club spells that went nowhere, so that run where he managed Argentina was a "rise" for him as a manager. The part about Maradona at Gimnasia de la Plata could be worth its own video. His last birthday celebration (on TV, anyways) was in front of 0 fans due to COVID restrictions, and he was clearly in no condition to...walk, or even stand around. It was a very miserable, sad sight. After his death, it was revealed that he was hungover on that last birthday. There's so much shady stuff regarding the people that were supposed to take care of him at home (it wasn't family members, Maradona had split from the majority of his family long prior to death). It would be a grim video for sure.
As a manager he never achieved anything he only got the Argentina job because of his Legacy is a player getting to the quarter finals of a tournament isn't an achievement it's an absolute minimum requirement @@Kenny-Blankenship
If anything, it works the other way around because his last stint as a coach for Gimnasia de la Plata was arguably his most successful one. The team was really bad and it looked like relegation was guaranteed until he arrived and got them to improve enough to avoid the relegation fight altogether.
Well I hate to defend Mourinho, but he did win the conference league with AS Roma. Sure not that impressive as a champions league, but still a european cup.
To be fair, Magath probably meant rubbing curd on an inflamed muscle or injury, which really does help reduce inflammation. It’s a well known home remedy. It also helps against sunburns.
He probably translated Quark to cottage cheese, and only the cheese part stuck. Quarkwickel are an old home remedy, although not necessarily more effective than any other way of cooling an inflammation.
In defence for Magath when Fulham hired him they were bottom of the league. So it is unclear whether he did a bad job or whether the team was actually that bad. He only won three of twelve games, but before he took over they had only won six games out of 26, which is pretty similar. On top of this they finished 17th in the championship in the following season, winning fourteen out of 39 games after his departure. This implies that their squad despite being one of the most expensive probably wasn't one of the best. Also he took over Taishan when they were bottom of the League, avoided relegation finished sixth in the following season and chose not to prolong his contract. Hertha hired him for the last games of the season when they were in danger of being relegated. Magath agreed saying from the beginning that he would only stay for the rest of the season. He saved them from relegation although it was close. After he retired Hertha finished bottom of the league the following season. So his last jobs weren't so bad, he simply worked as a firefighter again, being succesful in two out of three missions.
I suppose you could say that Brian Clough stayed on too long at Nottingham Forest with his final season ending in relegation in 1993 and his documented battle with alcoholism but his legacy at the club was already assured
Forest beat Malmö in the final when they won the European Cup. Their manager; Bob Houghton next season was relegated to Division 3 with Bristol City and they went down to Division 4 the following season. Now that's a rapid fall.
@@bigwhitewill4974I mean he won u two European cups no relegation can erase that. Only two English clubs have won it more and even a club like arsenal haven’t won it
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Now do the 7 most unlikely managers to claim genuinely big trophies. I'm thinking of achievements like that of Roberto Di Matteo (won CL with Chelsea), Claudio Ranieri (Won PL with Leicester) or Roberto Martinez (Won the FA-cup with Wigan)
@richardthepastamancer6619 That's like saying Benitez was a top manager, you'd still be shocked beyond belief if he managed to pull off a Prem Title Win with Newcastle. Ranieri also brutally failed both his follow-up season after the title win, and his next gig at Fulham
@gurururuwarararara8164 you are 100% missing the point. Even in the case of Benitez (who was not in your 1st comment), you would be shocked because the teams are mid to bad, not because of a multiple time CL finalist and winner has the coaching skill to win the Prem. When you put Ranieri, a proven winning manager, on the same level as di Matteo and Martinez, 2 unproven managers, you are comparing apples and oranges.
@richardthepastamancer6619 Ait fair enough actually, I see what you mean. Slash Ranieri from the list, put someone like Ljupko Petrovic on instead. Man won the CL with Red Star Belgrade after like 3 years of top flight coaching
Cant you remember he also managed Grimsby town and got them promoted 3 years in a row from div 2 to the prem and finished 4th in his 1st season in the prem and left to manage Real Madrid. Ronaldo often says hes the greatest manager he ever played for 😂😂😂
It's the way the line was delivered. He managed three Swedish clubs, Juventus, Lazio and Coventry not three Swedish clubs: Juventus, Lazio and Coventry.
Rijkaards was pretty much intentional. After Barcelona he didn't really feel up to it anymore so he only took figurehead jobs that paid well. Even though he had multiple opportunities at actual challenges. At top clubs as well. At least according to himself, those around him and lots of media reporting and club statements linking him to said jobs. He just wasn't interested anymore.
on the 3rd of October, the champions of the Welsh prem will be playing against fiorentina in the Europa conference. despite being ignored and ridiculed for so long, this could be a massive turning point for Welsh football. please make a video about the league's history and it's future. also some videos about women's football would be awesome 🏴
I have this hypothesis that the vast majority of top managers only have an approximate 10-15 year window at the top of the game, like players. The reason being that the game passes them by & they struggle to move on from the approach that brought them so much success earlier on in their careers. Sven couldn't let go of 4-4-2. Mourinho couldn't let go of defence over attack. Cloughie couldn't get on board with a more tactical approach. That's why managers like Fergie & Pep are so remarkable. They are able to see when their former approaches are no longer viable & push themselves into the new era. The exception might be Ancelotti, who has always been about letting players express themselves, even in an era of rigid systems. However, I think he gets away with it because he's always been more tactically & philosophically flexible
I thought SAF got better when he removed himself from the training sessions and delegated to some very tallented coaches. He knew that keeping highly motivated competent people in situe and freshening things up would do the world of good and even if he fowled a relationship he got the person out before the whole group was poisoned from the fall out. Motivation, relationship management and selective recruitment and dismissal realy served him well.
there was also the case of Vanderlei Luxemburgo, won 5 brazilian championships in a 11 year span, managed the national team and was sacked because of an olympic failure in the meantime then reached the stars by managing the Galaticos from Real Madrid but failed. His comeback had some regional titles and was often picked by teams because of lack of options. Pretty much like Mourinho
Mourinho won Conference League, first European trophy in Roma history, and got the Europa league final with the same mid club. Not a great example of fall from grace really, Mourinho is still a good manager who wins trophies, he's just not the best in the world anymore. Ancelotti was not seen in the same light at Everton as he is now at Madrid. I can see Mourinho getting a comeback job eventually at a superclub where he will win some big stuff again. He is far from finished. Seriously Alfie, come at me bro I will destroy you in this debate with tedious, pedantic statistics.
José Mourinho hasn’t fallen from grace, he’s simply been left behind by time due to his pride blinding him from seeing that football is an ever evolving game and failing to adapt. He has literally tried to force the game to adjust to him. 🤭 That said, if he adapted his style to the modern game and found himself a number two and number three to support him rather than go at it the lone wolf route, he’d probably shortly return to the top of the game. Will he do it? Unlikely. Success sometimes can trick one into a perpetual cycle of failure by way of keeping one stuck in their way rather than evolving with the times.
Something people need to take into account with Mourinho is he's just as much of a brand as he is a football manager. I'm sure he could adapt better if he really wanted too, but part of his image (which is his gravity train) is being associated with "anti-football" & confrontational leadership. This is more relevant than it's ever been as he REALLY stands out from the crowd now & has provided him a huge, rebellious support base of people who'll follow teams solely because he's managing them. Must be a burden being the most famous football manager of all time, which he undoubtedly is, the expectations people have of you to be who you're perceived to me (a collection of traits & attitudes which suit a different era) makes adaptation difficult if you care about people, which I do believe he does also.
I think the problem is not just his tactics, it's his personality. At every club, he demands certain players, and publicly calls out the board if he doesn't get them. When performances go sour, as they always do with Mourinho... he throws his players under the bus. No owner of a top club would want that at their team. It's recipe for short lived success and definite disaster
@@HHHBFResurrectedhe's the most famous manager by design, he has his own management company that handles his marketing. It's why in most youtube comment sections Mourinho can do no wrong. I think he has done amazing things at clubs but his narcissism is his main downfall, I also think he should adapt his game if he wants to manage at the highest level again. It's not hard for a manager of his style to change to a style like that of Ancelotti, for example. When Mourinho was at Madrid he was ultra-attacking counter football
He won't do it, he has a formula but football like you said, evolved, and that formula doesn't work anymore. He is not dumb, far from it, he just lacks the flexibility to drop old habits and start again, his pride won't let him do it. So by now, he will die by the sword he helped to raise a few years ago. Will he still shine? once in a while sure, but not with the consistency he once had, whenever he joined a club you knew he would most probably be champion on his first season, now, not anymore.
If you happen to make a part 2, mention Fernando Santos - from European Champion with Portugal to losing to Moldova as Poland NT manager, getting sacked after 4 months by Besiktas in Turkish Super League, to Azerbajian National Team... A truly remarkable downfall.
Bruce Riochs fall is actually even worse. Stewart Houston had been caretaker manager at Arsenal when Rioch was appointed and stayed on as assistant manager, meaning that Rioch left to work as assistant manager for his own former assistant manager
Big shoutout to Raymond Domenech. Managed France for 6 years, losing the 2006 World Cup Final on penalties. After getting fired following their shambolic group exit in 2010, he began coaching an under-11 team later that same year. A whole 10 years later he got his next job at Nantes, getting sacked after 0 wins in his first 8 games.
Fun fact: George Raynor was the first of only four managers to have reached the final of a mens' or womens' World Cup with a national team that wasn't their own, the others being Ernst Happel with the Netherlands in 1978, Pia Sundhage with the US in 2011, and Sarina Wiegman with England in 2023. All four of them lost.
I wouldn't say that Rafa Benitez's time at Newcastle was a failure. He wasn't responsible for their relegation as you suggested. In fact, they finished the season in good form and then made an immediate return as champions before securing a top half finish in the Premier League.
Video suggestion: Players who are/were always much better for their national team than for their club, e.g., Harry Maguire, Miroslav Klose, Memphis Depay
in Kloses case the difference is between club career and national team career is like "Great" vs "Excellent/one of a kind". Apart from his stint at bayern, he played for "underdog/dark horse teams" with Kaiserslautern, Bremen and Lazio Rom - so he had very limited opportunities to win trophies/had to compete against teams with higher average quality. Therefore, he had overall less opportunities on club level than he had on the national team, which at his time had still the reputation of being one of the top dogs. If you want to put a german player on this list, you have to put his former "partner in crime" in the german national team - Lukas Podolski. During his time, he was an essential piece of the german national team alongside klose. However, most people in germany only consider him "good at his youth club cologne and the german team". He was at bayern at the same time as klose, but was only a squad/substitute player, whereas klose was a starter in the star stacked bayern squad. I did not follow him around that much after he left the bundesliga, but according to wikipedia - his numbers at arsenal look alright and he was loved by the fans, but eventually he was loaned out to inter milan - where he flopped. After this he became a journeyman, having stints in turkey, japan and his birth country poland, which you cannot really use for any arguments for "he was just as great on a club level", due to the leagues strength and him being past his prime.
Paul Jewell would be a shout.. around the time he was at Wigan he was held in such regard for what he'd done there and at Bradford.. most recently he was assistant at Swindon and that itself was a few years ago.
I think his success depended on the players, he signed big names at Bradford and had good and young players at Wigan. He didnt do quite well at Derby, Sheff Wed and Ipswich.
@@Trargent_08 that Wigan squad was just 👌 from listening to his interview on Let's Be Having You it sounds like he always managed a squad well, which was a great key to success at the time (see also the Blackburn teams of Big Sam/Sparky)
Love Jewell as a Latics fan but it's fair to say he got the time and financial backing at Wigan that he did not get at other clubs. He was never any good as a fire fighter type manager. @@Trargent_08
I thought I knew a bit about football after 51 years, but learnt from this that Alf Ramsey was NOT the first Englishman to manage in a world cup final.
@@SilliusSodus how would that even work? Washed up players stay washed up, you don’t get better with age as an athlete. Clubs can have a relative decline - Real Madrid went DECADES without winning a champions league - only to reverse it and dominate for years.
@@SilliusSodus Bolton, Charlton, Portsmouth, Wigan, Derby, Blackburn and Birmingham from England. Kaiserlautent, Nuremberg, Karlsruher and Hamrburg were massive German teams. Real Zaragoza and Deportivo La Crouna, not just massive Spanish teams but also big European teams at their peak. These were top candidates.
Ian Coates, a manager who in his second season at Harchester United fought a referee leading to a touchline ban and attempting to kill his successor during the FA Cup final
The Magath story is just unbelievable, going from a truly incredible and unique performance at Wolfsburg, to a disaster at Fulham. It really makes you wonder how that is possible :)
Maradona being listed as a managerial fall from grace makes no sense as he never had a stellar/successful managerial career to start with. Steven Gerrard is a better shout. Won a Scottish league with rangers but within 2 years is in saudi arabian football
Peter Taylor was sacked as Gills manager on New Year’s Eve. I was waiting for my car to be MOT’d and was too over the moon at his sacking to care that my car failed 🤣
You should do a video for Olympiakos triumph winning the Conference League From a season that they had sacked 2 coaches to winning a European trophy for the first time ever for a Greek side +1 so he can see
Best German players in the premier league of all time. (Day 680) Alternativly you could do "Best German players who played outside the Bundesliga" or something like that if you prefer. I will not give up until the video is made or Alfie himself tells me to stop. Everyone else telling me that will be ignored. If you don't believe my number, just go back to the previous videos. I'm at the bottom most of the time, but I'm there.
Did you forget, that Mourinho brought Roma their first ever official European Trophy, with the Wim in the Conference League? And then He took them to the Europa League Final the following Season, which Roma should have won, but were denied by some more than questionable Refeereing Decisions. The Roma Fans Adore him and hated his Sacking. I think you should have mentioned these International Successes, because Overall his Time at Roma has to be considered a Success for the Club. He also had great Success at United, winning the Europa League and Cup with them aswell as finishing second in the Premier League, something that He himself describes as his greatest ever Achievement. He oversaw the best post Ferguson United Team. Mourinho is far from washedy, He is one of the greatest of All Time.
If he wins a league title with Fenerbache, he might get his career back on track. If he fails, his career as a top, top, elite European level coach, is probably over
Not all supporters loved Mourinho, most liked his personality but hated his boring playstyle. Roma is a team where it's sometime more important to play entertaining fotboll than winning. I have supported Roma since 94, and Roma looked terrible under him, especially season 2 and 3. In 22-23 season we scored only 50 goals wich is the lowest since 96-97.
@@YashMezzala and that they don't have as much money as big clubs. But Klopp, Guardiola and lot of other coaches can play entertaining fotboll and win. Mourinho won less and less matches the more players he took in and changed the team. He's still decent at motivation but his tactics are extremely dated. Park the bus and hope the two or three attacking players create something on their own.
This one was enjoyable. Not that the others aren't, but I enjoyed this one particularly. I felt the need to post that, my first on your channel. If you don't count the 249 requests for a video dedicated to Gary Megson.
I think I can explain why "all time great" managers like Jose Mourinho often suddenly get unsuccessful: their great success might lead them to thinking that they are perfect, so they might not improve while others do and become better than them. Age isn't generally a problem, for example while Ralf Rangnick isn't an all-time great, he arguably has bis best time now, as be played in the 2024 Euro with Austria and even won his group. While they were eliminated against Turkey in the round-off 16, at the beginning of Rangnicks stint in 2022, it didn't even appear likely that Austria would qualify.
If not mentioned already, Mark Hughes?! Went from 14 years as a Premier League manager, to 3.5 years out of work, and then a year failing at Bradford City in league two in what will likely prove his last job.
I suggest a video about the 7 most unlikely promotions to a countrys top division. We have a candidate here in Norway, the KFUM (YMCA) team from Oslo winning promotion last season and holding their own this season being undefeated against three of our biggest clubs home & away. You know, the club where players have to walk the zebra stripes to get to the playing turf with club officials needing to close and open the street before and after.
I guess Magaths fault in England was that he didn't adopt his training methods to the English shedule, which has much more competitive games than the Germwn schedule. Acually if a team plays twice a week each week except at international breaks, you have to get players in form before the start of the season and then only use regenerative and tactical training during the season but not hard fitmess and/or endurance training. in countries like England it only makes sense to bave more than 1 training session a day in pre-season, but not during the season.
1:42 - That could also describe Wengers Arsenal career as well. I always knew that "Specialist in Failure" comment would come back to bite him. Ive always maintained Mourinhos time at Real Madrid is what broke him. High pressure environment plus having to face Guardiolas Barcelona, which was the antithesis of Mourinho ball.
Regarding Maradona, he was also appointed as a "president-coach" of Belarusian side Dinamo Brest, while only being in charge here for only one game, after which he left, saying that "he was betrayed and they promised him a bigger role in the club"
I think that the theme of great players failing is a function of clubs wanting to make a 'statement' appointment as manager, focusing on their achievements as players rather than managers. Having said that, Revie was a complete disaster - the quality of the players at his disposal (Keegan, Channon, Bell, Todd, Hughes, McFarland, Brooking, Watson) makes for a wasted generation. Now that's an idea for a video. The seven greatest 'wasted generations'. England 1973-80 is one hell of a start
26:05 Bruce Rioch’s Super White Army! Kinda under-sold the job he did at Bolton. Had no money when he came in, took them up two divisions in three seasons - building his team with money “won” from giant-slaying cup runs - then, already secured the Arsenal job before the 1995 Final, but still took Bolton back to the promised land (TV Money for which allowed his successors to do what they did, culminating in a decade long spell in the top flight). COYWM!
Yeah I have to say I find his success at Norwich and Colchester before that pretty baffling when you look at how LOUSY he's been at literally every other job
@@Lythgoemania I'm a Norwich fan and word on the street has always been that a lot of the success was down to Ian Culverhouse, his then number 2. Probably why one of the reasons why Lambert has struggled since they went their separate ways.
The Red Devils lifted its last trophy in the 2016-17 season, when they defeated Ajax 2-0 in the UEFA Europa League final, under then-manager Jose Mourinho. Paul Pogba and Henrikh Mkhitaryan scored in the 18th and 24th minute, respectively, to guide United to the title. Roma won the 2021-22 UEFA Europa Conference League by beating Feyenoord 1-0 in the final, and lost on penalties to Sevilla in the final of the 2022-23 UEFA Europa League. under then-manager Jose Mourinho. so bro, mourinho is not falls from grace, he still win titles
Your pronunciation of Rijkaard isn't as bad as you think! Also, Sparta Rotterdam was relegated for the first time in their history, losing all but one of their last 8 games, scoring exactly 0 goals in those 8 games. Bad as that is, it doesn't really warrant death threats in my opinion, but then again, I'm no Sparta Rotterdam supporter.
Mourinho has had the greatest downfall... from a manager who was winning all the major trophies at alll the major national leagues to a disgraced has been.... I never liked him as a person (arrogant, confrontational, and always blaming others when he didn't get the results he wanted ) to his style of football which usually consisted of stifling exceptional teams (like Barcelona) by any means necessary. I personally am delighted with his fall, it couldn't happen to a 'nicer' guy
He’s the most successful manager of all time. New challenge, probably will win another trophy. Just like with Roma, where he won them their first trophy in 15 years. He thinks outside the box, that’s probably why you do not like him.
To be fair to Mourinho, he didn't say he was "The Special One", he said that there are some managers who were special and he was one of those too. I think he may have even named Ferguson and Wenger as examples of other special managers
Really don't understand Maradona in this list. Never really achieved anything as manager. So he couldn't fall in my opinion.
Hey, he reached the world cup quarterfinals with Argentina in 2010...with a talent pool that could have won it all with a proper squad. Fun fact, Cambiasso and Zanetti had won the champions league in 2010. Neither of them were called up for the 2010 world cup! Prior to that, he only had brief club spells that went nowhere, so that run where he managed Argentina was a "rise" for him as a manager.
The part about Maradona at Gimnasia de la Plata could be worth its own video. His last birthday celebration (on TV, anyways) was in front of 0 fans due to COVID restrictions, and he was clearly in no condition to...walk, or even stand around. It was a very miserable, sad sight. After his death, it was revealed that he was hungover on that last birthday. There's so much shady stuff regarding the people that were supposed to take care of him at home (it wasn't family members, Maradona had split from the majority of his family long prior to death). It would be a grim video for sure.
As a manager he never achieved anything he only got the Argentina job because of his Legacy is a player getting to the quarter finals of a tournament isn't an achievement it's an absolute minimum requirement @@Kenny-Blankenship
If anything, it works the other way around because his last stint as a coach for Gimnasia de la Plata was arguably his most successful one. The team was really bad and it looked like relegation was guaranteed until he arrived and got them to improve enough to avoid the relegation fight altogether.
Alfie did say he has the highest win rate of Argentina managers or something
@@Kenny-BlankenshipGareth Southgate did far better than him.
Theres no way Maradona should be on the list. Never was a highly rated manager to fall from grace,
agreed ! The only reason he got the Argentina job was because he kept on talking trash about the national team
😂😂😂😂 agreed diegos argentina was trash XD we almost didnt make it to the world cup with him at the helm
Well I hate to defend Mourinho, but he did win the conference league with AS Roma. Sure not that impressive as a champions league, but still a european cup.
To be fair, Magath probably meant rubbing curd on an inflamed muscle or injury, which really does help reduce inflammation. It’s a well known home remedy. It also helps against sunburns.
He probably translated Quark to cottage cheese, and only the cheese part stuck. Quarkwickel are an old home remedy, although not necessarily more effective than any other way of cooling an inflammation.
@@Ladund dachte ich mir auch. Hat nie Wunder gewirkt, aber bekannt ist es 😂
Was thinking this as well, homeopathic treatments like this are more common in Germany
@@mattanderson8575Curd isn't homeopathic, as there is a substance other than water in a measurable quantity involved...
Wasn't ready for that Peter Andre slide show! 😂
As a swiss I'm completely lost...what the hell was that about? 😂
@@samuelmeier1617as a portuguese I'm as lost as you are
Not one pic with Jordan. Even Gary Barlow got in there. 😔
@@valterpenasribeiro5183it’s because Alfie couldn’t get any photos so he just randomly put Peter Andre in there 😂
is anyone really ever ready for a Peter Andre slideshow though? 😂
In defence for Magath when Fulham hired him they were bottom of the league. So it is unclear whether he did a bad job or whether the team was actually that bad. He only won three of twelve games, but before he took over they had only won six games out of 26, which is pretty similar. On top of this they finished 17th in the championship in the following season, winning fourteen out of 39 games after his departure. This implies that their squad despite being one of the most expensive probably wasn't one of the best. Also he took over Taishan when they were bottom of the League, avoided relegation finished sixth in the following season and chose not to prolong his contract. Hertha hired him for the last games of the season when they were in danger of being relegated. Magath agreed saying from the beginning that he would only stay for the rest of the season. He saved them from relegation although it was close. After he retired Hertha finished bottom of the league the following season. So his last jobs weren't so bad, he simply worked as a firefighter again, being succesful in two out of three missions.
I suppose you could say that Brian Clough stayed on too long at Nottingham Forest with his final season ending in relegation in 1993 and his documented battle with alcoholism but his legacy at the club was already assured
relegation on your cv is a blemish on your career especially considering they were the best team in europe at one point
Stayed on for years too late, but we will always love him here in Nottingham ❤ him and Robin Hood are our icons
@@bigwhitewill4974 haha
Forest beat Malmö in the final when they won the European Cup. Their manager; Bob Houghton next season was relegated to Division 3 with Bristol City and they went down to Division 4 the following season. Now that's a rapid fall.
@@bigwhitewill4974I mean he won u two European cups no relegation can erase that. Only two English clubs have won it more and even a club like arsenal haven’t won it
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Apparently Peter Taylor won promotion to the Premier League with Gillingham....
Was thinking the same. Cant remember that ever happening and cant seem to ever remember Peter Andre managing Sweden at a world cup either 😂😂😂
Must have missed that season that GILLINGHAM played in the Premier League 😂😂
I wish 😂
@@briangallagher8881 Let's not forget that Gillingham are massive, everywhere we go.
Now do the 7 most unlikely managers to claim genuinely big trophies. I'm thinking of achievements like that of Roberto Di Matteo (won CL with Chelsea), Claudio Ranieri (Won PL with Leicester) or Roberto Martinez (Won the FA-cup with Wigan)
Claudio Ranieri was a Top manager. He was underestimated due to him coaching a relegation survivor team, nothing to do with his managerial ability.
Roberto Martinez also doesn't belong, he really isn't nearly as bad as people say. Di Matteo, though, totally
@richardthepastamancer6619 That's like saying Benitez was a top manager, you'd still be shocked beyond belief if he managed to pull off a Prem Title Win with Newcastle. Ranieri also brutally failed both his follow-up season after the title win, and his next gig at Fulham
@gurururuwarararara8164 you are 100% missing the point. Even in the case of Benitez (who was not in your 1st comment), you would be shocked because the teams are mid to bad, not because of a multiple time CL finalist and winner has the coaching skill to win the Prem. When you put Ranieri, a proven winning manager, on the same level as di Matteo and Martinez, 2 unproven managers, you are comparing apples and oranges.
@richardthepastamancer6619 Ait fair enough actually, I see what you mean. Slash Ranieri from the list, put someone like Ljupko Petrovic on instead. Man won the CL with Red Star Belgrade after like 3 years of top flight coaching
I must have forgot that part of history where Peter Andre was head of England
What was that even all about? Did I miss something?
@@BriarLeaf00 there will be no further comment at this time
@@reubenmiller2142 lol
@@BriarLeaf00 I suspect Alfie couldn’t get many pictures of George Rayner and decided to improvise. Confused me a bit too.
Cant you remember he also managed Grimsby town and got them promoted 3 years in a row from div 2 to the prem and finished 4th in his 1st season in the prem and left to manage Real Madrid. Ronaldo often says hes the greatest manager he ever played for 😂😂😂
The well known swedish clubs Juventus, Lazio and Coventry.
I was wondering about that as well. Maybe in the Olsen days the Swedes liked to name their clubs after successful clubs from big European leagues?
It's the way the line was delivered. He managed three Swedish clubs, Juventus, Lazio and Coventry not three Swedish clubs: Juventus, Lazio and Coventry.
@@oneoneselfandone Ahhhhhh!! :-)
The crack at Thogden
😂😂😂
That WAS a sharp dig
Gillingham in the premier league?! Sent me scrambling to Wikipedia in disbelief
As a Gills fan, I was beaming when Taylor showed up. Oh, those heady days in the Premier League!
Rijkaards was pretty much intentional. After Barcelona he didn't really feel up to it anymore so he only took figurehead jobs that paid well. Even though he had multiple opportunities at actual challenges. At top clubs as well. At least according to himself, those around him and lots of media reporting and club statements linking him to said jobs. He just wasn't interested anymore.
Why would he lose interest? Was he depressed?
@@r4h4al More the other way around. Completely fulfilled. Super successful as a player and then achieved the highest possible as a coach in his mind.
on the 3rd of October, the champions of the Welsh prem will be playing against fiorentina in the Europa conference. despite being ignored and ridiculed for so long, this could be a massive turning point for Welsh football. please make a video about the league's history and it's future. also some videos about women's football would be awesome 🏴
I have this hypothesis that the vast majority of top managers only have an approximate 10-15 year window at the top of the game, like players. The reason being that the game passes them by & they struggle to move on from the approach that brought them so much success earlier on in their careers. Sven couldn't let go of 4-4-2. Mourinho couldn't let go of defence over attack. Cloughie couldn't get on board with a more tactical approach.
That's why managers like Fergie & Pep are so remarkable. They are able to see when their former approaches are no longer viable & push themselves into the new era.
The exception might be Ancelotti, who has always been about letting players express themselves, even in an era of rigid systems. However, I think he gets away with it because he's always been more tactically & philosophically flexible
I thought SAF got better when he removed himself from the training sessions and delegated to some very tallented coaches. He knew that keeping highly motivated competent people in situe and freshening things up would do the world of good and even if he fowled a relationship he got the person out before the whole group was poisoned from the fall out. Motivation, relationship management and selective recruitment and dismissal realy served him well.
Peter Andre: A man, a myth, a football legend
Benitez’s downfall started when he ranted on Alex Ferguson in 2009
Mourinho’s downfall came when he was saying offensive words to doctor eva in 2015
there was also the case of Vanderlei Luxemburgo, won 5 brazilian championships in a 11 year span, managed the national team and was sacked because of an olympic failure in the meantime then reached the stars by managing the Galaticos from Real Madrid but failed. His comeback had some regional titles and was often picked by teams because of lack of options. Pretty much like Mourinho
To be fair to Rafa, no-one since has achieved much with Everton - his record with them actually looks comparatively good.
I think prime Messi, Ronaldo(both of them) and Maradona couldn't save Everton
@h3nder Everton could have Beckham and Zidane feeding Haaland and they'd still finish 16th
@lordvadertheleftie9703 Everton playing style needs prime Maldini cafu Nesta and baresi
Mourinho won Conference League, first European trophy in Roma history, and got the Europa league final with the same mid club. Not a great example of fall from grace really, Mourinho is still a good manager who wins trophies, he's just not the best in the world anymore. Ancelotti was not seen in the same light at Everton as he is now at Madrid. I can see Mourinho getting a comeback job eventually at a superclub where he will win some big stuff again. He is far from finished. Seriously Alfie, come at me bro I will destroy you in this debate with tedious, pedantic statistics.
😅😅😅 its roma second european trophy they have an inter cities fair's cup. Just like arsenal 😂😂😂
José Mourinho hasn’t fallen from grace, he’s simply been left behind by time due to his pride blinding him from seeing that football is an ever evolving game and failing to adapt. He has literally tried to force the game to adjust to him. 🤭
That said, if he adapted his style to the modern game and found himself a number two and number three to support him rather than go at it the lone wolf route, he’d probably shortly return to the top of the game. Will he do it? Unlikely. Success sometimes can trick one into a perpetual cycle of failure by way of keeping one stuck in their way rather than evolving with the times.
Something people need to take into account with Mourinho is he's just as much of a brand as he is a football manager. I'm sure he could adapt better if he really wanted too, but part of his image (which is his gravity train) is being associated with "anti-football" & confrontational leadership. This is more relevant than it's ever been as he REALLY stands out from the crowd now & has provided him a huge, rebellious support base of people who'll follow teams solely because he's managing them.
Must be a burden being the most famous football manager of all time, which he undoubtedly is, the expectations people have of you to be who you're perceived to me (a collection of traits & attitudes which suit a different era) makes adaptation difficult if you care about people, which I do believe he does also.
I think the problem is not just his tactics, it's his personality. At every club, he demands certain players, and publicly calls out the board if he doesn't get them. When performances go sour, as they always do with Mourinho... he throws his players under the bus. No owner of a top club would want that at their team. It's recipe for short lived success and definite disaster
@@HHHBFResurrectedhe's the most famous manager by design, he has his own management company that handles his marketing. It's why in most youtube comment sections Mourinho can do no wrong. I think he has done amazing things at clubs but his narcissism is his main downfall, I also think he should adapt his game if he wants to manage at the highest level again. It's not hard for a manager of his style to change to a style like that of Ancelotti, for example. When Mourinho was at Madrid he was ultra-attacking counter football
@@footballhipstertv just say you hate Portuguese people at this point.
He won't do it, he has a formula but football like you said, evolved, and that formula doesn't work anymore. He is not dumb, far from it, he just lacks the flexibility to drop old habits and start again, his pride won't let him do it. So by now, he will die by the sword he helped to raise a few years ago. Will he still shine? once in a while sure, but not with the consistency he once had, whenever he joined a club you knew he would most probably be champion on his first season, now, not anymore.
Tommy Docherty went from FA cup winner and European Football with Man Utd to not manage a single top flight team after leaving the Red.
I did enjoy Gillingham's stint in the Premier League. Shoddy work, Alfie.. your head's gone. I certainly hope someone gets fired for that blunder.
If you happen to make a part 2, mention Fernando Santos - from European Champion with Portugal to losing to Moldova as Poland NT manager, getting sacked after 4 months by Besiktas in Turkish Super League, to Azerbajian National Team... A truly remarkable downfall.
Whilst you are right, make no mistake about it, he will be getting paid bug bucks in Azerbaijan.
I think Dave Mackay was worth mentioning, from England champions to lower league football.
Bruce Riochs fall is actually even worse. Stewart Houston had been caretaker manager at Arsenal when Rioch was appointed and stayed on as assistant manager, meaning that Rioch left to work as assistant manager for his own former assistant manager
Assistant to the Assistant Manager. Bruce 'Dwight' Rioch.
Big shoutout to Raymond Domenech. Managed France for 6 years, losing the 2006 World Cup Final on penalties. After getting fired following their shambolic group exit in 2010, he began coaching an under-11 team later that same year. A whole 10 years later he got his next job at Nantes, getting sacked after 0 wins in his first 8 games.
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Jose Mourinho, mark Hughes and Steve Bruce! I didn’t think all three would be in the same list
@@enffootballlab2022 and you were right.
Because they all aren't on the list
I miss the 9am uploads. The games gone 😪
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Gills fan here I will never forget the season we were in the premier league 😂😂
You truly had to be there to believe it.
Fun fact: George Raynor was the first of only four managers to have reached the final of a mens' or womens' World Cup with a national team that wasn't their own, the others being Ernst Happel with the Netherlands in 1978, Pia Sundhage with the US in 2011, and Sarina Wiegman with England in 2023. All four of them lost.
I wouldn't say that Rafa Benitez's time at Newcastle was a failure. He wasn't responsible for their relegation as you suggested. In fact, they finished the season in good form and then made an immediate return as champions before securing a top half finish in the Premier League.
to Morinhos defense, most clubs he has faced and got compared to in the last 10 years had budget on mass.
He managed Chelsea and Man United
@@Oakeedokee7 when they didnt want to spend
Jose Mourinho is the AC Milan of managers in terms of his decline from his peak
Don't disrespect Milan .They won Serie a 2022
Video suggestion: Players who are/were always much better for their national team than for their club, e.g., Harry Maguire, Miroslav Klose, Memphis Depay
also: the vast majority of balkan players and for some reason the whole uruguay team except suarez...
in Kloses case the difference is between club career and national team career is like "Great" vs "Excellent/one of a kind".
Apart from his stint at bayern, he played for "underdog/dark horse teams" with Kaiserslautern, Bremen and Lazio Rom - so he had very limited opportunities to win trophies/had to compete against teams with higher average quality. Therefore, he had overall less opportunities on club level than he had on the national team, which at his time had still the reputation of being one of the top dogs.
If you want to put a german player on this list, you have to put his former "partner in crime" in the german national team - Lukas Podolski. During his time, he was an essential piece of the german national team alongside klose. However, most people in germany only consider him "good at his youth club cologne and the german team". He was at bayern at the same time as klose, but was only a squad/substitute player, whereas klose was a starter in the star stacked bayern squad. I did not follow him around that much after he left the bundesliga, but according to wikipedia - his numbers at arsenal look alright and he was loved by the fans, but eventually he was loaned out to inter milan - where he flopped. After this he became a journeyman, having stints in turkey, japan and his birth country poland, which you cannot really use for any arguments for "he was just as great on a club level", due to the leagues strength and him being past his prime.
A.S. ROMA won a throphy with Mourinho.
Perhaps his last good grace.
Rijkaard also retired relatively young as a player age 32 after CL win with Ajax
To be fair, Rafa Benitez did bring Newcastle United back from the Championship and was not sacked but walked away from the horrid Mike Ashley.
Paul Jewell would be a shout.. around the time he was at Wigan he was held in such regard for what he'd done there and at Bradford.. most recently he was assistant at Swindon and that itself was a few years ago.
I think his success depended on the players, he signed big names at Bradford and had good and young players at Wigan. He didnt do quite well at Derby, Sheff Wed and Ipswich.
@@Trargent_08 that Wigan squad was just 👌 from listening to his interview on Let's Be Having You it sounds like he always managed a squad well, which was a great key to success at the time (see also the Blackburn teams of Big Sam/Sparky)
Love Jewell as a Latics fan but it's fair to say he got the time and financial backing at Wigan that he did not get at other clubs. He was never any good as a fire fighter type manager. @@Trargent_08
Maradona was never a great manager tho, so its hardly a fall from grace.
Exactly, thought the same
Nice one Alfie, you made me go back to the video of managers failing upwards to check that Frank Rijkaard was there. He definitely did.
I thought I knew a bit about football after 51 years, but learnt from this that Alf Ramsey was NOT the first Englishman to manage in a world cup final.
Rafa got old sadly.
@@HonestTom1892 that’s where we are all headed, if we are lucky.
@@SKa-tt9nm True bro.
Another great video, mr Alfie! Speaking as a Swede, it was exciting all the way into second place. 😊
Can you do seven most washed up clubs of all time? As a Gen Z viewer, I found the player video very informative. Many thanks, bossman.
@@SilliusSodus how would that even work? Washed up players stay washed up, you don’t get better with age as an athlete.
Clubs can have a relative decline - Real Madrid went DECADES without winning a champions league - only to reverse it and dominate for years.
Notts County, Portsmouth, Boa Vista,
@@archstanton6102 Man United, Leeds and Everton too…
@@SilliusSodus Bolton, Charlton, Portsmouth, Wigan, Derby, Blackburn and Birmingham from England. Kaiserlautent, Nuremberg, Karlsruher and Hamrburg were massive German teams. Real Zaragoza and Deportivo La Crouna, not just massive Spanish teams but also big European teams at their peak. These were top candidates.
@@Trargent_08 could add Parma for Italy, as UEFA cup winners
Great to see Alfie finally give one of the greats of non-league football Welling United a mention on the channel.
Ian Coates, a manager who in his second season at Harchester United fought a referee leading to a touchline ban and attempting to kill his successor during the FA Cup final
Klaus Toppmuller went from coaching Leverkusen in the Champions league final against Real Madrid in 2002 to coaching Georgia in 2006.
The Magath story is just unbelievable, going from a truly incredible and unique performance at Wolfsburg, to a disaster at Fulham. It really makes you wonder how that is possible :)
Raynor, despite being a football manager, also had strong opinions on mysterious girls, and getting close to them.
Raynor’s run in the Grease Musical was legendary.
Maradona being listed as a managerial fall from grace makes no sense as he never had a stellar/successful managerial career to start with.
Steven Gerrard is a better shout. Won a Scottish league with rangers but within 2 years is in saudi arabian football
This video is truly insightful, amusing and my god that Alfie fella is handsome
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Peter Taylor was sacked as Gills manager on New Year’s Eve. I was waiting for my car to be MOT’d and was too over the moon at his sacking to care that my car failed 🤣
You should do a video for Olympiakos triumph winning the Conference League
From a season that they had sacked 2 coaches to winning a European trophy for the first time ever for a Greek side
+1 so he can see
Best German players in the premier league of all time. (Day 680)
Alternativly you could do "Best German players who played outside the Bundesliga" or something like that if you prefer.
I will not give up until the video is made or Alfie himself tells me to stop. Everyone else telling me that will be ignored.
If you don't believe my number, just go back to the previous videos. I'm at the bottom most of the time, but I'm there.
I think at this point he's just avoiding you for the luls.
@@dvdv8197I'd have to concur at this point, although I struggle with the idea of Alfie being *this* diabolical 😂
@@RyuzakiTaiyou keep going mate, your result will be pay off, I hope so.
I'd like to see that :)
This guy…
Did you forget, that Mourinho brought Roma their first ever official European Trophy, with the Wim in the Conference League? And then He took them to the Europa League Final the following Season, which Roma should have won, but were denied by some more than questionable Refeereing Decisions.
The Roma Fans Adore him and hated his Sacking.
I think you should have mentioned these International Successes, because Overall his Time at Roma has to be considered a Success for the Club.
He also had great Success at United, winning the Europa League and Cup with them aswell as finishing second in the Premier League, something that He himself describes as his greatest ever Achievement. He oversaw the best post Ferguson United Team.
Mourinho is far from washedy, He is one of the greatest of All Time.
If he wins a league title with Fenerbache, he might get his career back on track. If he fails, his career as a top, top, elite European level coach, is probably over
Not all supporters loved Mourinho, most liked his personality but hated his boring playstyle.
Roma is a team where it's sometime more important to play entertaining fotboll than winning.
I have supported Roma since 94, and Roma looked terrible under him, especially season 2 and 3. In 22-23 season we scored only 50 goals wich is the lowest since 96-97.
@@Robztraining thats why roma dont win shit
@@YashMezzala and that they don't have as much money as big clubs.
But Klopp, Guardiola and lot of other coaches can play entertaining fotboll and win. Mourinho won less and less matches the more players he took in and changed the team. He's still decent at motivation but his tactics are extremely dated. Park the bus and hope the two or three attacking players create something on their own.
@@gurururuwarararara8164 *Fenerbahce
This one was enjoyable. Not that the others aren't, but I enjoyed this one particularly. I felt the need to post that, my first on your channel. If you don't count the 249 requests for a video dedicated to Gary Megson.
“And that is who features in seventh” genuinely had me in stitches
Best XI of players who fell from grace. Come on Alfie, you know you want to do it.
I think I can explain why "all time great" managers like Jose Mourinho often suddenly get unsuccessful: their great success might lead them to thinking that they are perfect, so they might not improve while others do and become better than them.
Age isn't generally a problem, for example while Ralf Rangnick isn't an all-time great, he arguably has bis best time now, as be played in the 2024 Euro with Austria and even won his group. While they were eliminated against Turkey in the round-off 16, at the beginning of Rangnicks stint in 2022, it didn't even appear likely that Austria would qualify.
Great video!
If not mentioned already, Mark Hughes?! Went from 14 years as a Premier League manager, to 3.5 years out of work, and then a year failing at Bradford City in league two in what will likely prove his last job.
Should of had Peter Andre as the thumb nail just to confuse everyone
Andre Villas Boas deserves a mention he was touted as the next Mourinho a decade ago and today he hasn’t managed in three years.
He flopped horribly at Chelsea and Spurs. Quite a quick fall from grace.
I suggest a video about the 7 most unlikely promotions to a countrys top division. We have a candidate here in Norway, the KFUM (YMCA) team from Oslo winning promotion last season and holding their own this season being undefeated against three of our biggest clubs home & away. You know, the club where players have to walk the zebra stripes to get to the playing turf with club officials needing to close and open the street before and after.
I don't think I ever expected Alfie to mention FC Seattle Storm in a video.
I guess Magaths fault in England was that he didn't adopt his training methods to the English shedule, which has much more competitive games than the Germwn schedule. Acually if a team plays twice a week each week except at international breaks, you have to get players in form before the start of the season and then only use regenerative and tactical training during the season but not hard fitmess and/or endurance training. in countries like England it only makes sense to bave more than 1 training session a day in pre-season, but not during the season.
1:42 - That could also describe Wengers Arsenal career as well. I always knew that "Specialist in Failure" comment would come back to bite him.
Ive always maintained Mourinhos time at Real Madrid is what broke him. High pressure environment plus having to face Guardiolas Barcelona, which was the antithesis of Mourinho ball.
Also, I hope Alan Curbishley gets a mention in this video (I'm still only 3 mins in)
9:33 he was so real for this
Regarding Maradona, he was also appointed as a "president-coach" of Belarusian side Dinamo Brest, while only being in charge here for only one game, after which he left, saying that "he was betrayed and they promised him a bigger role in the club"
I think that the theme of great players failing is a function of clubs wanting to make a 'statement' appointment as manager, focusing on their achievements as players rather than managers.
Having said that, Revie was a complete disaster - the quality of the players at his disposal (Keegan, Channon, Bell, Todd, Hughes, McFarland, Brooking, Watson) makes for a wasted generation.
Now that's an idea for a video. The seven greatest 'wasted generations'. England 1973-80 is one hell of a start
Not mentioning Christoph Daum is an INSANE miss!
What it shows is how important and difficult it is to keep up with how football changes & how special a SAF is.
26:05 Bruce Rioch’s Super White Army!
Kinda under-sold the job he did at Bolton. Had no money when he came in, took them up two divisions in three seasons - building his team with money “won” from giant-slaying cup runs - then, already secured the Arsenal job before the 1995 Final, but still took Bolton back to the promised land (TV Money for which allowed his successors to do what they did, culminating in a decade long spell in the top flight).
COYWM!
Really speaking, should have mentioned Fernando Santos, former Portugal manager, now fallen from grace after his glorious era with the Portuguese.
Keep up the videos! Could you give the Women's game some more coverage, please?
Gillingham one got me 😂 I'm sure he knows he got that wrong.
Paul Lambert is worth a mention. Won back to back promotions at Norwich but hasn't done well at any of his other jobs since.
Yeah I have to say I find his success at Norwich and Colchester before that pretty baffling when you look at how LOUSY he's been at literally every other job
@@Lythgoemania I'm a Norwich fan and word on the street has always been that a lot of the success was down to Ian Culverhouse, his then number 2. Probably why one of the reasons why Lambert has struggled since they went their separate ways.
Gillingham in the PL is a funny flub, but what Maniac uses a fork to eat a Döner. That's just not right.
“And that who is featured in seventh”… I love his writing
Petrovic from winning the European Cup with Red Star to failing at Peñarol could have been mentioned.
Also the great Bela Guttmann.
The Red Devils lifted its last trophy in the 2016-17 season, when they defeated Ajax 2-0 in the UEFA Europa League final, under then-manager Jose Mourinho. Paul Pogba and Henrikh Mkhitaryan scored in the 18th and 24th minute, respectively, to guide United to the title.
Roma won the 2021-22 UEFA Europa Conference League by beating Feyenoord 1-0 in the final, and lost on penalties to Sevilla in the final of the 2022-23 UEFA Europa League. under then-manager Jose Mourinho.
so bro, mourinho is not falls from grace, he still win titles
Excellent video. Excellent
Your pronunciation of Rijkaard isn't as bad as you think!
Also, Sparta Rotterdam was relegated for the first time in their history, losing all but one of their last 8 games, scoring exactly 0 goals in those 8 games.
Bad as that is, it doesn't really warrant death threats in my opinion, but then again, I'm no Sparta Rotterdam supporter.
Mourinho has had the greatest downfall... from a manager who was winning all the major trophies at alll the major national leagues to a disgraced has been.... I never liked him as a person (arrogant, confrontational, and always blaming others when he didn't get the results he wanted ) to his style of football which usually consisted of stifling exceptional teams (like Barcelona) by any means necessary. I personally am delighted with his fall, it couldn't happen to a 'nicer' guy
He has no clue you exist. Get a grip!
He’s the most successful manager of all time. New challenge, probably will win another trophy. Just like with Roma, where he won them their first trophy in 15 years. He thinks outside the box, that’s probably why you do not like him.
@@SuperYannick63he’s not the most successful anymore. The title goes to Pep Guardiola.
Do a video on kettering town. Most goals in FA Cup, had Gazza as manager, first shirt sponsor in english football, and callum Wilson played for them
Thing is with mourinho he didn’t change with the times his old school management is out dated and he tends to piss off the clubs biggest stars.
7 of the most ridiculous takes in football youtube i wish you could do that one. Great video Alfie
To be fair to Mourinho, he didn't say he was "The Special One", he said that there are some managers who were special and he was one of those too. I think he may have even named Ferguson and Wenger as examples of other special managers
He said "To win the Champions League you must be A Special One" but I think people miss hearing him and everyone else called him the special one
@h3nder better headline isn't it? Who cares about the facts?
-apologize for saying "Rijkaard" passably well
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Must have missed that season that GILLINGHAM played in the Premier League 😂😂
Alfie, you crack me up. 😂
And now you're gonna believe us... the Gills are Premier League!
As someone who usually just listens to the videos, I was so confused when I looked over and saw Peter Andre and Gino on the screen
lol unlucky Thogden, good luck recovering from that