@@inyourgranmaass3605That's explain it, company went so woke majority of the dev left, now it like some thing inside the corp take the fresh of it and pretending to be rocksteady, hence it die in 2015.
It even shows in other recent WB published games such as Mortal Kombat 1 and Injustice 2. No respect for the player's time or money even after paying for a game. They expect you to either grind for stuff like its your day job or have them leech your wallet. Creating games that can be "played forever" is unrealistic and unfair to the consumer. You never truly own the whole game when buying from this publisher.
@@The_Offical_Chris_Crowthey’re free though, everything that affects your gameplay is just earned through gameplay. the game is actually good if y’all were to play it
@@johndodo2062 a lot of people are saying Sweet Baby Inc.'s involvement as the reason for it sucking, but I've still yet to hear in detail what they did that makes it so.
@@Marksman3434 They're responsible for the mid story decisions - like Wonder Woman being the only member of the JL to get any respect despite Flash helping the Squad earlier in the game, or Batman being Batman and having a previous relationship with Harley, or even Superman being Superman, the only one who gets any respect is WW lol. Flash gets pissed on iirc, Batman is a loser and shows no ability to throw off or resist the mind control (despite mastering his mind in Arkham Knight) and Supes dies like a joke. Admittedly, even if the story was amazing it would still leave the looter-shooter and live service game model lol. So not everything, but a large part of things.
It’s simple: Rocksteady lost all the lead devs who made the Batman games. It’s not the same Rocksteady anymore. Same with Infinity Ward, Bungie, Arkane, DICE, BioWare, etc. You have to keep an eye on personnel changes in these dev companies. Studio pedigree means nothing if the studio staff aren’t the same.
This is an actual problem. Studios can lose key players and still call themselves the same studio. It’s almost false advertising. I used to follow studios that were good and pre ordered their games, but that’s kinda pointless now. I won’t even preorder any games now. I have to wait and see if it’s actually good first.
@@tlungu962yeah sometimes it’s hard to tell, so I just wait now. If it’s good, then I’ll buy it. As far as the Rocksteady leads, they left in 22. In the meantime they lost a bunch of other people, and now the studio is made up of more than half of people that came after Arkham Knight. They have a studio photo when they completed Arkham Knight and if you compare it to the current one…they are not even close to the same studio anymore.
Sweet Baby INC was in complete control of this game. It didn’t matter who was left from the original Rocksteady because they had to either fall in line or kick rocks.
@abeaconintheofficethey have The game was in development for 9 years Why do you think the game was delayed again again and again Because sweet baby inc changed everything so stop talking bullshit unless you did some fcking research
I just started playing Arkham Knight again. The game immediately sucks you into the story and the game play mechanics are brilliant. I wouldn't touch this abomination with a ten feet pole. It looks like fireworks on the 4th of July.
I haven't played it since it launched, game left a bad taste in my mouth, I struggled through it by playing on PC at launch. I really should give it another shot, but every time I think back to it I just have bad memories.
@@rickygillies28the story and emotional hook to the story is amazing, open world, combat, gameplay mechanics are all phenomenal. What do you mean you dont understand how people like it lmao. Yeah the batmobile can become repetitive but regardless the batmobile is fun as anything to use despite that. Asylum and city are brilliant aswell, my favourite is asylum but as someone whos non stop played these games since 2009, Knight is definitely the most replayable of all. Arkham city isnt as fun gameplay wise in comparison and protocol 10 is anticlimactic. So both games have their flaws 🤷♂. Also city has more puzzles than knight lol️
that’s fine in a call of duty game that has developed that kind of relationship with there fan base and it’s always an option not a requiremt…but when you have a game like batman arkham that sold millions of copies solely because of its dark atmosphere along with amazing story telling and good gameplay and turn into this lootershooter live action bullshit and expect life long fans to wanna play it…well that’s just dumb and short sighted.
I solely blame WB. Telling a studio known for stealth and melee combat to create a looter shooter is like forcing your star quarterback to play as the kicker
Bingo. The CEOs got greedy, thought they could make that Fortnite live service cash. They would have made decent money with a Batman saving brainwashed Justice League & then make JL and Superman game. This is actually going to make them lose a fortune.
Squad game, Nobody wanted it, Nobody wanted to make it, Characters hit with the ugly stick, Overly busy and colourful world graphics, Terrible writing, Mistreatment of beloved characters, Greed over gameplay.
Couldn’t have said it better myself. Applause to you good sir. You hit the nail on the head. All people are focused on is the live service aspect of the game.
As someone that works in the games industry, it's actually quite baffling how many dev teams, ranging from small to a few hundred individuals, are held together by just a few key individuals, and were those individuals to leave, the company's games would drop significantly in quality.
@@chowsu944 Well its not that I think tlou 2 is bad, I love this game, but what they pulled off with the tlou 1 remake and tlou 2 remaster is… Well scam
Let’s be honest. The game was pretty much made at the time. They did help make this game. I don’t believe there was an overhaul of great magnitude between the release and the time they left the studio. They were just smart enough to ensure that their legacies wouldn’t be attached to this mess. IMO it’s a little forgiving to believe that they didn’t have any input on this mess even if we assume that WB forced them into making this game. Let’s remember they were never making a superman game or sequel to Arkham knight. It was always SSKTJL.
Idk hard to say. I can't help but wonder what makes a studio go from making a groundbreaking videogame to something a teenager made in Fortnite....@@Dash101
You're even touching the subject of "writing" without even mentioning sweet baby inc.... that's where the problem is. They had a LOT of influence in this game. Doesn't it cross your mind even in the least when there's such a gigantic difference in quality from their other games in the series?
Is kinda funny how a game called “KILL THE JUSTICE LEAGUE” is building itself on post-game content yet it seems that a majority of said post-game content isn’t actually gonna have anything to do with that premise. Since they threw it away in a half-assed campaign.
The post game content is Suicide Squad saves The Justice League there are datamined voice lines of The Flash asking why is he back and a voice telling the player he hasnt fully recovered from what brainaic did to him (which will probably be season 1) then there is a voice line of Lois Lane telling the people of metropolis that Green Lantern has also returned and is fighting with them again (which is probably season 2) there are also calendars in the game that give out a code saying "He will return" with the last calendar having the bat symbol
Don't forget that although the original developers left Rocksteady last year, they were already involved in the development of SSKTJL prior to leaving. They were never making a Superman single-player game, it was always SSKTJL. So if anything, there was no overhaul, they themselves destroyed their own reputation.
What went wrong is that no one wanted to play as Deadshot, King Shark, Captain Boomerang, or Harley Quinn. Nobody asked for that game. They made a game where weak d-list villains killed the strongest most popular superheroes ever created.
This is why I don't understand, publishers, pushing developers towards life service games. There are only a few very successful ones and many more that have failed and they still insist that it is the future of the industry. If it is the future of the industry I want nothing to do with it give me a traditional complete full of content game over live service any day in my opinion, live service games will be the death of the industry
1) all the talent left 2) you let sweet baby inc revise and edit the script/writting 3) WB only wants live service model games (Greed) Pertaining to suicide squad game, The gameplay is ass with a UI straight from hell seriously why is all that shit all over the screen and every character plays the same
What happened to rocksteady is simple. Rocksteady sold their souls and tried to become a hybrid version of borderlands,fortnite and destiny all while ignoring what happened to Marvel's The avengers
I just got into Arkham knight and about to finish it. That and the Spiderman ps games are the best hero games I’ve played and AC is incredible. So disappointing to know the evolution of the style of the Batman games have completely flopped
I’ll buy this when it’s 20-30 bucks on sale in a few months. Maybe they pull a destiny 2 forsaken and do a 180. I’m not holding my breath. Fuck rocksteady now and sweet baby inc to some extend. The whole harley quinn hitting on a child poison ivy is cringe and disturbing AF
I wanted to give it a chance despite all the negative comments on different platforms, especially on Steam and UA-cam Comments on videos, so I bought the Digital Deluxe Edition to get "the full package", because I loved Arkham games (still playing them even today) and I knew Rocksteady made them Iconic Masterpieces.... So played like 1 hour and I was like "This shit is cringe, refund!" worst experience ever, I even enjoyed Gotham Knights much more, and finished the main story and some side stories of that, but this? Like wtf, Harley Quinn is like nothing compared to the Harley Quinn we knew from Arkham Games, this Harley Quinn is like if they ordered its personality from Temu, and put it into a body and clothes bought from Wish.... Not to mention what I have seen from gameplays, like wtf? They did bad with Flash, that was fucking disrespectful, they did bad with Batman too... and Harley grabbing Deadshot's *ss.... like what? Isn't that "sexual harassment" or it is only that if a male character does that to a female?
Bringing that woke company sweet company in certainly did not help and then the fact that none of the original team worked on this. Plus any fan of the original trilogy never asked for this game, we just wanted another quality sequel as the Batman. What annoys me more is that they had years to do this as arkham knight came out in 2015.
Easy to answer. The Rocksteady today is not the same Rocksteady as yesterday. Also its a simple case of a bunch of corporate suits that only has interest in crunching numbers and bottom lines said to a Game Developer Studio.... "We want money....We want Fortnite money.... Make it happen." Rocksteady with no previous experience in live service game got to work and scrambled the "best" they could put together. What you see being the end product. Thats all it is, in all its simplicity. Corporate greed trickling down to game developer's.
The problem is much more fundamental than changes in dev team: the whole premise was bound to be a flop. It's as if Insomniac said: "nah, let's not do a Spiderman game featuring Peter Parker or Miles Morales. Let's make a Sinister Six game where they kill off the main Spidermen and any other better known hero." Both execs and creatives failed in thinking this idea would take off.
First mistake, to connect this game with the Arkham saga, why? There was no need, this could have been its own universe and they would have avoided a lot of hate then. Second, just a final scene, I don't know, where we saw the "real" heroes of the Justice League locked up, in suspended animation, what ever and that would make it clear that what we killed were clones, more problems avoided with the fandom. And therefore, it would even generate interest in the future to see the rescue of the heroes by the villains and believe me, even people would be more hooked. Top this off with a bland game, made purely for the sake of easy money and with the most repetitive, simplistic and boring gameplay, that at one point I said, I'd rather be playing "Palworld" than this. Add it all up, and you have the perfect storm for Rocksteady to shoot themselves in the foot. A shame, but there will always be the legacy of their original Arkham trilogy, this game honestly doesn't even count.
The rise of Live Service games and the people who spend money on them are what went wrong. Everyone wants a piece of that pie now and are attaching everything to it, waiting to find the one that sticks.
It breaks my heart to see rocksteady fall this much because I am one of the few people who loved Arkham trilogy it was freaking fantastic in my opinion.
@@jessb8585 folks say otherwise. Look at review and player scores for arkham games ( in the 80s) and SSquad was last seen in 50s. Below Redfall. Anyway. You do you boo.
I honestly believed a Superman game was in the works after Arkham knight. If any game company could've made a Superman game, it would've been Rocksteady.
its definitely a product of warner brother suits looking at charts and demanding rocksteady make a live service game because of its profitability rather than an actual good product
It feels nothing like the previous Arkham titles. Forget the shitty writing and the disrespect. The game doesn't even fit in that universe! It's a redundant and brainless looter shooter with zero Arkham DNA. Even that crappy Marvel's avengers game at least presented the heroes as they appear in the comics! Character's in this game all feel the same. Imagine Thor fighting enemies with a machine gun!
Sweet Baby Inc is what went wrong with Rocksteady. A plague in the videogame industry. Also, no one gives a crap about the Suicide Squad. When it comes to DC only Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman matter.
Sweet baby inc, WOKE investors influencing stock prices, the original team leaving because they saw the writing on the wall... Diversity hiring and not hiring on merit or ability......Those are a few of the reasons
It's really very simple. The founders of Rocksteady left as did most of the talent that made the Arkham trilogy. It is essentially a new studio and a far inferior one at that. Secondly three words, Sweet Baby Inc! They destroy everything with their woke DEI and ESG agenda. They have no respect for the core audience or beloved legacy characters and feel they have the right to inject their vile ideology into our escapism. This new, ersatz Rocksteady deserve everything coming their way and I hope it's a wake-up call to other western studios!
Replay Arkham Knight - even on PC, it's fine now. The Batmobile is not overused - the vast majority of the batmobile content is optional. Don't like it? Don't do it. It's crazy how a narrative forms about a game during release and then never changes.
World of Tanks: Arkham Edition has far too many unskippable tank missions. Ruined the game for me. If the tank was an optional problem solving tool I could use or not at my discretion, it wouldn't have. Knight is the prettiest game, but both in story and mechanics, it's the weakest of the three and a disappointment after City.
I feel like Rocksteady read the last page first of a long and enjoyable set of series’ A Flash series, Wonder Woman series, including ideas for a standalone Superman series.
They went the same route as other games, due to greed. Live service with cosmetics available to purchase has been the downfall in gaming. I miss the days when most game companies focused on creating a single player experience with the best writing, gameplay, and immersion as possible
It's because Rocksteady's focus shifted from making good games to hiring "Diversity, Equity, and Inclusivity" people to fill the roles once occupied by talented people.
What likely happened was Rocksteady said what about we make a game like Arkham series except they fight the Justice League except once Warner Bros. got wind of this they said make it live service It would make sense since it was only recently we got Gotham Knights. Rocksteady hadn't a clue how to make a live service game. I'm not trying to defend Rocksteady to much as we still got the game we got and they may have highlighted it was a bad idea to Warner Bros. but at the end of the day they may have been strong armed into making it. I have to assume if it wasn't live service they may have made a better game and could have focused more on making each Suicide Squad member feel different. Would make sense why they had people leave the project to they had a great ideas but if they can just be strong armed into going against their vision they didn't want to work there anymore. But I do think we would have got bad boss fights still even if it wasn't live service as in Arkham Knight most of their boss fights was in the batmobile or just not great. Like who's idea was to have Slade fight Bruce in a tank as opposed to in combat like Origins.
This is what happens when you spend all your attention on live service, microtransactions, and seasons/battlepasses instead of story, gameplay and endgame. You end up with a half assed, half finished games. AAA games are now inferior to the indie games coming out nowadays. Once that indie gets bought up by big corporates , it's all over for them.
What happens is the TEAM that made the game left over time. It is like going to ur favorite restaurants, but the best chefs have left, and the food sucks now
Riddle me this: what smells, is made up of multiple items and usually tied in a black bag? Garbage... This is really sad to see. Sweet Baby Inc absolutely destroys everything they touch. This game is bizarre: race swapped Deadshot (I'd say the same thing if they did it to Static and Black Lightning too), Cpt Boomerang and King Shark literally can't be in this "Arkhamverse" game (It's already been established in an Arkham Knight prequel comic that they both died in a suicide squad working for Penguin. This is never explained), ugly art style, Waller is ugly af, Wonder woman is ugly af (Not to mention she has also (according to Lex) "solved toxic masculinity" smh), Harley Quinn is ugly af with her stupid SJW half shaven head, "baby's first shooter" purple hit points, drab, flat and repetitive gameplay, always online, battle pass, a $70 game that has micro transactions, disrespecting Kevin Conroy's legacy, resurrecting Batman (he died in Knight), totally misunderstanding the green lantern's ring and how it works (King Shark puts it on and uses it. That's not how it works, absolute cringe. Even as a little kid watching Justice League and Justice League Unlimited I could have told you that: the rings chose the wielders), Poison Ivy is resurrected (she bravely died in Knight assisting Batman) and she is annoying as hell in this game, why is the Riddler obsessed with task force X now? It literally makes no sense (yes he's in here even though it feels very out of place), overall cringe writing... Honestly Harley's dialogue when she kills Batman and especially when she says "Now it's our turn" is a BIG middle finger from Sweet Baby and the new Rocksteady to Arkham and comic fans alike. They are all fools and it definitely shows. I would implore anyone who's even considering buying this garbage to save your money; just watch someone else's playthrough on UA-cam or something... it's really not worth it
I'll save everyone 9 minutes and 9 seconds. You see Rocksteady choose greed over what they used to be. So they released the lazily developed garbage known as Suicide Squad. That's pretty much it.
Maybe but i think this game did too much damage to fans, they would need to publicly cut Sweet Baby Inc out. They have sunk so many years and money into this and its gonna implode worse than Anthem and Marvel Avengers in a few months.
Warner bros told them to chase the live service game.. Simple as that... Same way they're ruining mk 1 with charging for content that would normally be in the game
you can look up pictures of some of the people at Rocksteady that helped write some of the story and character development and SEE exactly where they went wrong
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What went wrong with rocksteady? They died in 2015.
That's not expanding on why they failed & got to this pitiful state il
Other Necromancer wear their skin
Rocksteady didn't just die... _it was murdered_
@@inyourgranmaass3605That's explain it, company went so woke majority of the dev left, now it like some thing inside the corp take the fresh of it and pretending to be rocksteady, hence it die in 2015.
I agree indeed the they are died since 2015
If they didn’t make it canon I’d dislike it less. But because it is it feels like a betrayal to the Arkham series.
Turning the Arkham Trilogy into a multiplayer lootbox trap really shows how oblivious WB's upper management is to games
They hate the fan base. They think we are inferior and that we need to be forced into a new way of thinking.
It even shows in other recent WB published games such as Mortal Kombat 1 and Injustice 2.
No respect for the player's time or money even after paying for a game. They expect you to either grind for stuff like its your day job or have them leech your wallet. Creating games that can be "played forever" is unrealistic and unfair to the consumer.
You never truly own the whole game when buying from this publisher.
what lootboxes?
@@KingXhuntRThe reward system in Suicide Squad uses a Lootbox mechanic after every mission
@@The_Offical_Chris_Crowthey’re free though, everything that affects your gameplay is just earned through gameplay. the game is actually good if y’all were to play it
"Live service" was beginning of its downfall.
Complete corporate overhaul and greed. Simple as that.
Sweet baby ruined it more than the game genre did
@@johndodo2062 a lot of people are saying Sweet Baby Inc.'s involvement as the reason for it sucking, but I've still yet to hear in detail what they did that makes it so.
@@Marksman3434 They're responsible for the mid story decisions - like Wonder Woman being the only member of the JL to get any respect despite Flash helping the Squad earlier in the game, or Batman being Batman and having a previous relationship with Harley, or even Superman being Superman, the only one who gets any respect is WW lol. Flash gets pissed on iirc, Batman is a loser and shows no ability to throw off or resist the mind control (despite mastering his mind in Arkham Knight) and Supes dies like a joke.
Admittedly, even if the story was amazing it would still leave the looter-shooter and live service game model lol. So not everything, but a large part of things.
Exactly. CEOs and investors making decisions entirely based off of money and profit. Literally no concern for making a great game.
@@Marksman3434because they put a rainbow flag in the hall of justice. That’s one reason why people blame them
It’s simple: Rocksteady lost all the lead devs who made the Batman games. It’s not the same Rocksteady anymore. Same with Infinity Ward, Bungie, Arkane, DICE, BioWare, etc. You have to keep an eye on personnel changes in these dev companies. Studio pedigree means nothing if the studio staff aren’t the same.
This is an actual problem. Studios can lose key players and still call themselves the same studio. It’s almost false advertising. I used to follow studios that were good and pre ordered their games, but that’s kinda pointless now. I won’t even preorder any games now. I have to wait and see if it’s actually good first.
didn’t they leave last year? so they def had their own hands on this game
@@thechicagoboxpre ordering games isn’t the problem. it’s obvious from trailers whether a game is gonna be good or not (unless it launches broken).
@@tlungu962yeah sometimes it’s hard to tell, so I just wait now. If it’s good, then I’ll buy it.
As far as the Rocksteady leads, they left in 22. In the meantime they lost a bunch of other people, and now the studio is made up of more than half of people that came after Arkham Knight. They have a studio photo when they completed Arkham Knight and if you compare it to the current one…they are not even close to the same studio anymore.
Don't forget Rockstar
Sweet Baby INC was in complete control of this game. It didn’t matter who was left from the original Rocksteady because they had to either fall in line or kick rocks.
Finally someone else gets it. I a, shocked none of these gaming sites say it. They are so afraid. Sweet baby ruins everything it touches.
This is the most brain-dead take I've heard on this. A consulting studio doesn't have the power or leverage to take over a game's identity
@abeaconintheofficethey have
The game was in development for 9 years
Why do you think the game was delayed again again and again
Because sweet baby inc changed everything so stop talking bullshit unless you did some fcking research
They hired Sweet Baby. That’s what went wrong.
Not a single mention of it in the video. They're trying to find everything else, but the obvious reasons 😂
True. You want to blow a ton of money. Hire them . I wonder what their next game project will be
Absolutely correct 💯
Which is beginning of the end of Rocksteady
I just started playing Arkham Knight again. The game immediately sucks you into the story and the game play mechanics are brilliant. I wouldn't touch this abomination with a ten feet pole. It looks like fireworks on the 4th of July.
Didn't even. Play but somehow made an opinion. If u can't afford the game say that 😂
@@planbskaters6458Projecting isn’t healthy.
@@planbskaters6458 spoted the one person who play that mess of a game.
neither is lying @@midnightdeluxegaming6582
spotted the person who never played it :) @@standylixgames7757
I still play Arkham Knight. Still a gorgeous game.
Don't see how people like Arkham Knight its 90% tank battles/puzzles.
Its about 20 percent or if you have dlc 16 percent of the game in the Bat mobile, even less of that time was in tank mode @@rickygillies28
I haven't played it since it launched, game left a bad taste in my mouth, I struggled through it by playing on PC at launch. I really should give it another shot, but every time I think back to it I just have bad memories.
@@Stevo.100 I completed it but it just wasn't fun like the previous games which is why I don't tend to return to it.
@@rickygillies28the story and emotional hook to the story is amazing, open world, combat, gameplay mechanics are all phenomenal. What do you mean you dont understand how people like it lmao. Yeah the batmobile can become repetitive but regardless the batmobile is fun as anything to use despite that. Asylum and city are brilliant aswell, my favourite is asylum but as someone whos non stop played these games since 2009, Knight is definitely the most replayable of all. Arkham city isnt as fun gameplay wise in comparison and protocol 10 is anticlimactic. So both games have their flaws 🤷♂.
Also city has more puzzles than knight lol️
All the people that buy $20 cosmetics, this is your fault.
that’s fine in a call of duty game that has developed that kind of relationship with there fan base and it’s always an option not a requiremt…but when you have a game like batman arkham that sold millions of copies solely because of its dark atmosphere along with amazing story telling and good gameplay and turn into this lootershooter live action bullshit and expect life long fans to wanna play it…well that’s just dumb and short sighted.
@@Killthebatman87 No, it's not fine, ever.
@@Killthebatman87this guy probably bought the COD skins 😂
@@akkaradetsomrak6015 and?
That's the problem clowns saying that's fine **** off
I solely blame WB. Telling a studio known for stealth and melee combat to create a looter shooter is like forcing your star quarterback to play as the kicker
Bingo. The CEOs got greedy, thought they could make that Fortnite live service cash.
They would have made decent money with a Batman saving brainwashed Justice League & then make JL and Superman game.
This is actually going to make them lose a fortune.
After "success" of Will Smith's Suicide Squad, I'm sure they had a word in the decision of making a suicide game over any other super hero title.
Squad game,
Nobody wanted it,
Nobody wanted to make it,
Characters hit with the ugly stick,
Overly busy and colourful world graphics,
Terrible writing,
Mistreatment of beloved characters,
Greed over gameplay.
Mistreatment of beloved characters,
Greed over gameplay.
The biggest culprits.
Couldn’t have said it better myself. Applause to you good sir. You hit the nail on the head. All people are focused on is the live service aspect of the game.
Those weren’t the actual heroes. They were evil clones.
@@KrakenZzz123does it change anything really?
@@Demsky83 yes, because it was acknowledged in game that something weird was going on.
As someone that works in the games industry, it's actually quite baffling how many dev teams, ranging from small to a few hundred individuals, are held together by just a few key individuals, and were those individuals to leave, the company's games would drop significantly in quality.
Obsidian is also a good example of this, one of their lead writers for New Vegas left and then bam! Most of their other games were mid.
Or go *up* in quality, in some cases. But in Rocksteady's situation, it just seems like everyone who took over the company is equally to blame.
suits and non gamers started leading the company...
This is how it happened. This is how Rocksteady died.
They were murdered by sweet baby
@@johndodo2062 how?
Is this from Prince of Persia?
@@luchianluchi It's a line from the beginning of Arkham Knight
The same thing that happened to Crystal Dynamics, Bioware, Bungie, Arkane and (almost) Naughty Dog: they tried to be Fortnite and failed.
let's not forget also because of dei writers
@@toxin1079Don‘t drag naughty dog into this… They are more innocent… Almost.
Last of us 2@@MikePr1
@@MikePr1 Naughty dog are even worse
@@chowsu944 Well its not that I think tlou 2 is bad, I love this game, but what they pulled off with the tlou 1 remake and tlou 2 remaster is… Well scam
Cant forget the two founders left in the middle of Suicide so hmmm…
Let’s be honest. The game was pretty much made at the time. They did help make this game. I don’t believe there was an overhaul of great magnitude between the release and the time they left the studio. They were just smart enough to ensure that their legacies wouldn’t be attached to this mess. IMO it’s a little forgiving to believe that they didn’t have any input on this mess even if we assume that WB forced them into making this game. Let’s remember they were never making a superman game or sequel to Arkham knight. It was always SSKTJL.
Idk hard to say. I can't help but wonder what makes a studio go from making a groundbreaking videogame to something a teenager made in Fortnite....@@Dash101
You're even touching the subject of "writing" without even mentioning sweet baby inc.... that's where the problem is. They had a LOT of influence in this game. Doesn't it cross your mind even in the least when there's such a gigantic difference in quality from their other games in the series?
Is kinda funny how a game called “KILL THE JUSTICE LEAGUE” is building itself on post-game content yet it seems that a majority of said post-game content isn’t actually gonna have anything to do with that premise. Since they threw it away in a half-assed campaign.
The post game content is Suicide Squad saves The Justice League there are datamined voice lines of The Flash asking why is he back and a voice telling the player he hasnt fully recovered from what brainaic did to him (which will probably be season 1) then there is a voice line of Lois Lane telling the people of metropolis that Green Lantern has also returned and is fighting with them again (which is probably season 2) there are also calendars in the game that give out a code saying "He will return" with the last calendar having the bat symbol
Don't forget that although the original developers left Rocksteady last year, they were already involved in the development of SSKTJL prior to leaving. They were never making a Superman single-player game, it was always SSKTJL. So if anything, there was no overhaul, they themselves destroyed their own reputation.
What went wrong? It’s a new team for the modern audience.
You mean the dumb audience
@shaddy9883yep, and that’s why they will continue to fail. They will never learn.
@shaddy9883 if they had bothered doing 5 minutes of market research they would have seen that modern audience does not exist.
@@GotCamel these delusional idiots forgot that reality precedes ideology. It's not because you wish something to be true that it is.
What went wrong is that no one wanted to play as Deadshot, King Shark, Captain Boomerang, or Harley Quinn. Nobody asked for that game. They made a game where weak d-list villains killed the strongest most popular superheroes ever created.
Corporate greed is what happened.
This is why I don't understand, publishers, pushing developers towards life service games. There are only a few very successful ones and many more that have failed and they still insist that it is the future of the industry. If it is the future of the industry I want nothing to do with it give me a traditional complete full of content game over live service any day in my opinion, live service games will be the death of the industry
Sweet Baby Inc, investor greed and aim for max profit with minimum effort is what went wrong here
What a horrible end to Arkhamverse Batman. Trying not to let it taint Batman: Arkham Asylum, Arkham City, Arkham Origins and Arkham Knight.
This what happens when u change from your winning formula of making great single player games to falling for money trends in the industry
Sefton Hill and Jamie Walker are do the right thing to leave and these new garbage dev team are absolutely ruined RockSteady legacy
What went wrong, Sweet Baby Inc and greed.
1) all the talent left
2) you let sweet baby inc revise and edit the script/writting
3) WB only wants live service model games (Greed)
Pertaining to suicide squad game, The gameplay is ass with a UI straight from hell seriously why is all that shit all over the screen and every character plays the same
You avoid mentioning Sweet Baby Inc and their activism? Not to mention Sweet Baby Inc writers on X started insulting fans...
3 words . Sweet baby inc.
What happened to rocksteady is simple. Rocksteady sold their souls and tried to become a hybrid version of borderlands,fortnite and destiny all while ignoring what happened to Marvel's The avengers
It’s sweet baby inc
@@mooserocka522 they're just as responsible as rocksteady
I just got into Arkham knight and about to finish it. That and the Spiderman ps games are the best hero games I’ve played and AC is incredible. So disappointing to know the evolution of the style of the Batman games have completely flopped
Making harley kinda mid is unforgivable tbh
She still looks kinda pretty with her inmate hairstyle imo
I adore this design
Are u 12? she looks better now
@@KingXhuntRif he was twelve he would be the target audience.... How are you using that as a shitty insult?
@KingXhuntR nah I'm actually 7. And I love me some big mommy milkers I'll tell you hwhat
At what cost
Thanos: EVERYTHING
For me its Arkham origins to Arkham knight 4 masterpiece 😊
Not enough people realize this! There are 4 damn games in the original series.
@@Ji99i35! Nobody ever gives Blackgate any love
@@ZenMonkeyGod damn I think you're right I suppose
-Old guard leaving
-Replacing them with DEI hires
-Sweet Baby
Anything else?
All of a sudden, Gotham Knights lookin pretty good!
By the time they realized the live service will fail after the avengers didn't make any money at all It was to late to change course in my opinion
I’ll buy this when it’s 20-30 bucks on sale in a few months. Maybe they pull a destiny 2 forsaken and do a 180. I’m not holding my breath. Fuck rocksteady now and sweet baby inc to some extend. The whole harley quinn hitting on a child poison ivy is cringe and disturbing AF
I wanted to give it a chance despite all the negative comments on different platforms, especially on Steam and UA-cam Comments on videos, so I bought the Digital Deluxe Edition to get "the full package", because I loved Arkham games (still playing them even today) and I knew Rocksteady made them Iconic Masterpieces.... So played like 1 hour and I was like "This shit is cringe, refund!" worst experience ever, I even enjoyed Gotham Knights much more, and finished the main story and some side stories of that, but this? Like wtf, Harley Quinn is like nothing compared to the Harley Quinn we knew from Arkham Games, this Harley Quinn is like if they ordered its personality from Temu, and put it into a body and clothes bought from Wish.... Not to mention what I have seen from gameplays, like wtf? They did bad with Flash, that was fucking disrespectful, they did bad with Batman too... and Harley grabbing Deadshot's *ss.... like what? Isn't that "sexual harassment" or it is only that if a male character does that to a female?
WB doesn't understand DC .. for every "good" DC property we get 5 terrible ones.
Bringing that woke company sweet company in certainly did not help and then the fact that none of the original team worked on this. Plus any fan of the original trilogy never asked for this game, we just wanted another quality sequel as the Batman. What annoys me more is that they had years to do this as arkham knight came out in 2015.
Easy to answer. The Rocksteady today is not the same Rocksteady as yesterday. Also its a simple case of a bunch of corporate suits that only has interest in crunching numbers and bottom lines said to a Game Developer Studio.... "We want money....We want Fortnite money.... Make it happen." Rocksteady with no previous experience in live service game got to work and scrambled the "best" they could put together. What you see being the end product. Thats all it is, in all its simplicity. Corporate greed trickling down to game developer's.
Their Batman VA died in the interim. It all went downhill from there from what I've gathered.
What happended? The same thing that's been infesting the rest of our institutions from the look of things.
The problem is much more fundamental than changes in dev team: the whole premise was bound to be a flop. It's as if Insomniac said: "nah, let's not do a Spiderman game featuring Peter Parker or Miles Morales. Let's make a Sinister Six game where they kill off the main Spidermen and any other better known hero." Both execs and creatives failed in thinking this idea would take off.
Thank you for saying this. The premise was the problem.
spitting on the arkham games isnt a way to win people over
What WENT WRONG With Rocksteady? WOKE ERA
Suicide squad looks so terrible
Not touching it with a sh*tty stick
Sweet Baby is what went wrong
Superman said it perfectly. What the hell did they do to our boy……
People didn't like Arkham Knight? I loved that game!
Sweet Baby, that what went wrong
What went wrong? Three words: Sweet Baby Inc.
First mistake, to connect this game with the Arkham saga, why? There was no need, this could have been its own universe and they would have avoided a lot of hate then.
Second, just a final scene, I don't know, where we saw the "real" heroes of the Justice League locked up, in suspended animation, what ever and that would make it clear that what we killed were clones, more problems avoided with the fandom.
And therefore, it would even generate interest in the future to see the rescue of the heroes by the villains and believe me, even people would be more hooked.
Top this off with a bland game, made purely for the sake of easy money and with the most repetitive, simplistic and boring gameplay, that at one point I said, I'd rather be playing "Palworld" than this.
Add it all up, and you have the perfect storm for Rocksteady to shoot themselves in the foot. A shame, but there will always be the legacy of their original Arkham trilogy, this game honestly doesn't even count.
I think the rot started to set in when they decided not to call back Paul Dini to write for Arkham Knight.
Warner Bros and their chasing after GAAS is what went wrong. Rocksteady was doing just fine before that.
I'll just say it. I don't care what they say it's not cannon too me. Makes you move on easier. Complete ass.
I’m just gonna say it bat man Arkham origins is the best out of the series
Yet another big channel which somehow forgot to mention baby in the room. I'm sorry, "elephant" in the room.
The rise of Live Service games and the people who spend money on them are what went wrong. Everyone wants a piece of that pie now and are attaching everything to it, waiting to find the one that sticks.
They went corporate woke. Same reason Disney sucks
Im thankful for all the great mods in Arkham Knight. Makes this game worthless
It breaks my heart to see rocksteady fall this much because I am one of the few people who loved Arkham trilogy it was freaking fantastic in my opinion.
You aren’t “few”. There are ALOT of gamers that love Arkham series. Those games are masterpieces, they still hold up even now.
@@EchoDoctrine😂😂 dude trippin
@@EchoDoctrine indeed and I can agree with that one hundred percent.
@@jessb8585 folks say otherwise. Look at review and player scores for arkham games ( in the 80s) and SSquad was last seen in 50s. Below Redfall.
Anyway. You do you boo.
I honestly believed a Superman game was in the works after Arkham knight. If any game company could've made a Superman game, it would've been Rocksteady.
its definitely a product of warner brother suits looking at charts and demanding rocksteady make a live service game because of its profitability rather than an actual good product
It feels nothing like the previous Arkham titles. Forget the shitty writing and the disrespect. The game doesn't even fit in that universe! It's a redundant and brainless looter shooter with zero Arkham DNA.
Even that crappy Marvel's avengers game at least presented the heroes as they appear in the comics! Character's in this game all feel the same. Imagine Thor fighting enemies with a machine gun!
Sweet Baby Inc is what went wrong with Rocksteady.
A plague in the videogame industry.
Also, no one gives a crap about the Suicide Squad. When it comes to DC only Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman matter.
It's simple. WB is what is wrong with Rocksteady.
Sweet baby inc, WOKE investors influencing stock prices, the original team leaving because they saw the writing on the wall... Diversity hiring and not hiring on merit or ability......Those are a few of the reasons
Waht happend was they let talentless activists from sweet baby inc give them "narrative advice" and ruin their game.
It's really very simple. The founders of Rocksteady left as did most of the talent that made the Arkham trilogy. It is essentially a new studio and a far inferior one at that. Secondly three words, Sweet Baby Inc! They destroy everything with their woke DEI and ESG agenda. They have no respect for the core audience or beloved legacy characters and feel they have the right to inject their vile ideology into our escapism. This new, ersatz Rocksteady deserve everything coming their way and I hope it's a wake-up call to other western studios!
This is how it happened. This is how the rocksteady died
Replay Arkham Knight - even on PC, it's fine now. The Batmobile is not overused - the vast majority of the batmobile content is optional. Don't like it? Don't do it.
It's crazy how a narrative forms about a game during release and then never changes.
World of Tanks: Arkham Edition has far too many unskippable tank missions. Ruined the game for me. If the tank was an optional problem solving tool I could use or not at my discretion, it wouldn't have. Knight is the prettiest game, but both in story and mechanics, it's the weakest of the three and a disappointment after City.
I feel like Rocksteady read the last page first of a long and enjoyable set of series’ A Flash series, Wonder Woman series, including ideas for a standalone Superman series.
Imagine if we got a deathstroke game instead of suicide squad 🤷🏾♂️
Same thing
Should be illegal for company’s to not listen to their fans and make trash games 😂
They went the same route as other games, due to greed. Live service with cosmetics available to purchase has been the downfall in gaming. I miss the days when most game companies focused on creating a single player experience with the best writing, gameplay, and immersion as possible
It's because Rocksteady's focus shifted from making good games to hiring "Diversity, Equity, and Inclusivity" people to fill the roles once occupied by talented people.
Isn’t amazing how these new creative directors think through? 😂
What likely happened was
Rocksteady said what about we make a game like Arkham series except they fight the Justice League except once Warner Bros. got wind of this they said make it live service
It would make sense since it was only recently we got Gotham Knights.
Rocksteady hadn't a clue how to make a live service game.
I'm not trying to defend Rocksteady to much as we still got the game we got and they may have highlighted it was a bad idea to Warner Bros. but at the end of the day they may have been strong armed into making it.
I have to assume if it wasn't live service they may have made a better game and could have focused more on making each Suicide Squad member feel different. Would make sense why they had people leave the project to they had a great ideas but if they can just be strong armed into going against their vision they didn't want to work there anymore. But I do think we would have got bad boss fights still even if it wasn't live service as in Arkham Knight most of their boss fights was in the batmobile or just not great. Like who's idea was to have Slade fight Bruce in a tank as opposed to in combat like Origins.
This is what happens when you spend all your attention on live service, microtransactions, and seasons/battlepasses instead of story, gameplay and endgame. You end up with a half assed, half finished games. AAA games are now inferior to the indie games coming out nowadays. Once that indie gets bought up by big corporates , it's all over for them.
What went wrong with Rocksteady? The OG’s left and formed a new studio, so now rocksteady has become rockshitty
Wokesteady
Rockbottom
Àzzsteady
What happens is the TEAM that made the game left over time.
It is like going to ur favorite restaurants, but the best chefs have left, and the food sucks now
Great analogy
Riddle me this: what smells, is made up of multiple items and usually tied in a black bag? Garbage... This is really sad to see. Sweet Baby Inc absolutely destroys everything they touch. This game is bizarre: race swapped Deadshot (I'd say the same thing if they did it to Static and Black Lightning too), Cpt Boomerang and King Shark literally can't be in this "Arkhamverse" game (It's already been established in an Arkham Knight prequel comic that they both died in a suicide squad working for Penguin. This is never explained), ugly art style, Waller is ugly af, Wonder woman is ugly af (Not to mention she has also (according to Lex) "solved toxic masculinity" smh), Harley Quinn is ugly af with her stupid SJW half shaven head, "baby's first shooter" purple hit points, drab, flat and repetitive gameplay, always online, battle pass, a $70 game that has micro transactions, disrespecting Kevin Conroy's legacy, resurrecting Batman (he died in Knight), totally misunderstanding the green lantern's ring and how it works (King Shark puts it on and uses it. That's not how it works, absolute cringe. Even as a little kid watching Justice League and Justice League Unlimited I could have told you that: the rings chose the wielders), Poison Ivy is resurrected (she bravely died in Knight assisting Batman) and she is annoying as hell in this game, why is the Riddler obsessed with task force X now? It literally makes no sense (yes he's in here even though it feels very out of place), overall cringe writing... Honestly Harley's dialogue when she kills Batman and especially when she says "Now it's our turn" is a BIG middle finger from Sweet Baby and the new Rocksteady to Arkham and comic fans alike. They are all fools and it definitely shows. I would implore anyone who's even considering buying this garbage to save your money; just watch someone else's playthrough on UA-cam or something... it's really not worth it
Anyone with any talent left around 2015
I'll save everyone 9 minutes and 9 seconds.
You see Rocksteady choose greed over what they used to be. So they released the lazily developed garbage known as Suicide Squad.
That's pretty much it.
Wokesteady happened
Warner thats what happen first mk and multiversus and now this
And don’t forget Gotham Knights
Someone said "hey lets hire Sweet Baby Inc and some blue haired freaks" and the rest is history including Rocksteadys founders.....
Rocksteady in name only. All the real talent is long gone
omg .... this is what happens when make reviewer;s pay for games. like IGN lame , its a great game ...
How often do we hear stories like this in the gaming industry? It's basically the standard now.
My Sweet Baby Inc.
The whole direction of the game is a result of wasted woke consulting money.
If Rocksteady makes a prequel Justice League game, and completely ditch the live service elements, they could make a comeback
I think the damage is done and it may cost them making anymore superhero games.
Maybe but i think this game did too much damage to fans, they would need to publicly cut Sweet Baby Inc out. They have sunk so many years and money into this and its gonna implode worse than Anthem and Marvel Avengers in a few months.
Warner bros told them to chase the live service game.. Simple as that... Same way they're ruining mk 1 with charging for content that would normally be in the game
Mans called the batman series a trio, i couldn't be more disappointed
you can look up pictures of some of the people at Rocksteady that helped write some of the story and character development and SEE exactly where they went wrong