What is perplexing most is that the endgame is focusing on elseworlds, alternate dimensions/timelines etc. so the question becomes "why did you set this in the Arkham timeline?"
@@n4ughty_knight I mean other than "this is the Arkham timeline" it doesn't have cred because everyone hates the storyline and idea that they're killing Batman
Game would have made more sense if they tried to tie it in to Injustice. Granted they would have had to get NRS to back it but the story might not be so bland.
@@B1GSW1SHBut hey who tf cares about Injustice. Arkham Games are considered to be the Best SuperHero games of all time. That’s why they were shoe horning it in “From the creators of Batman Arkham”, “This is based in Arkham Universe.” You can even see Insomniac Copying so much of Ideas and Technicalities that made them GOTY contenders.
@@adrudds We think that but we're over here saying we can do what they're doing better. If we knew Anthem's problems before launch and were invited to help them - after knowing what we know now - shit I would have jumped ship.
To be fair, the gameplay was doomed from the beginning. How do you "play" as King Shark? Cpt Boomerang is a goof character from a bygone Era of toned down heroes. Harley Quinn is not a threat to any League member, in any capacity, period. This was preordained, room temp garbage.
If the Justice League was being mind controlled and truly no longer holding back they would be unstoppable. Each and every one of them is capable of being a serious global threat in their own way. The idea that some group of B-list criminals (who were already defeated and captured!) could defeat them was ridiculous from the start.
Heck even batman wouldn't be able or have a hard time fighting a not holding back Justice League... Injustice batman even need a lot of help from other heroes and even alternate universe heroes to beat a unhinged Justice League
@@lelouchvibritannia1662it’s annoying how we allowed comic writers to make us believe Batman is in any way a formidable opponent to the other justice league members lol
@@uwotm8634didn’t want to make this lololoololol who sells a game they didn’t want to make please explain lmfao they made it meaning they wanted it, maybe some ideas they didn’t want but ultimately it’s what they chose to CREATE. and it’s just…….ATROCIOUS
@@TheMaddenGuy1 Because the people most interested in sales is WB, who's known to tamper with projects before. Why would Rocksteady want to make a looter shooter with a battle pass all of a sudden?
Oh man that sounds crazy. Almost like a game company making single player FPS bangers like Dishonored being forced to make live service 4 player co op vampire trash.
I just want to throw this out there This game was in development still when the avengers game came out, that was 4 years ago. So the developers of the time saw the backlash avengers got and STILL kept making it live service.
And let's not forget batman in the last game saying his emotional goodbyes and even as far as telling Selena that her or anyone would never see him again only to IMMEDIATELY GO TO METROPLOIS AND JOIN THE JUSTICE LEAGUE
@@silverking8460 True but at least it’s planned. For all we know it could’ve been technical problems with offline compared to online that they needed to work on. Problem is in this era of gaming, majority of people have internet and don’t tend to focus on the offline group that much. The best thing Rocksteady said way before launch was working on an offline mode, would took years for any other company. Better late than never in my opinion.
-"Guys this game will have 6 seasons as new content" -"So we going to have like a new threat, enemies and boss every season?" -"What? No. You're going to fight same guy over and over for the next 6 seasons"
Hopefully they at least mix it up a bit. So far I see this as destiny 2 vanilla start. It didn't have that good of a start but it sure did build up as it went on.
Honestly, if the game JUST came out but the devs are already saying "look to future updates and seasons" then that says whatever you're playing in the beginning just isnt good or important.
Here’s a safe bet for EVERY GAME : if there is a battle pass ESPECIALLY AT LAUNCH, the developers are more worried about return on investment then delivering any type of playable game.
@Priceman5 You didn't learn from the Last of US 2, or when Arcane did they same thing (made the online vamp game empty), did you? There is no going back for rocksteady, the talent is gone.
There’s an alternate universe where someone at WB said “hey why are we making a game about the dumbass Suicide Squad and another separate game about Batman’s protégés that have nothing to do with each other? Let’s combine those 2 ideas”. Gotham Knights but with the budget this game had and the general plot about needing to save the Justice League from Brainiacs mind control while being a proper sequel to the Arkham series starring characters we know and have played as like Robin, Red Hood, Nightwing, and Batgirl/Oracle would’ve been a thousand times better than this suicide squad shit. Hell they could’ve then used seasons to introduce new heroes we haven’t played as and new Bat Family members and other heroes like Damian, Azrael, Black Canary, Green Arrow,etc. but no that makes too much sense
As someone who works at a company with two co-founders, if those two left, it would be a completely different company. The founders are often the driving force behind the vision. So you’re totally right - it’s a rocksteady game in name but this essentially a different company that made this
Following the Live Service trend is killing beloved studios like Rocksteady, Arkane and Bungie. Naughty Dog had clout to save itself but Bungie is also getting axed. It's sad, man.
@@Tacitus_kilgore_1903 Naughty Dog has got the highest dev turnover rate in the industry, it's so bad that over 50% of its staff are interns and most of the rest have only been there in the last five years. Literally no one who started the company is still there, all the old guard have long since left.
tf you think Captain Boomerang is going to do against Aliens WITH A FUCKING BOOMERANG? and it isn't teleportation, close to it, but he's just running and catching the boomerang while using a Speedforce Gauntlet
Or Superman. Or Wonderwoman. Or Batman with Preparation. Brainiac Controlling any of them needs more of a Team like Trigon, Darkseid, Reverse Flash and Dr fate, Not those Suicide squad idiots.
But those characters dont use any replacable/upgradable equipment that can leverage lootboxex, shooter-looter game mechanic and crafting upgrading.... They needed characters that can drop and equip stuff... because for any JL members it doesn't make sense and would be even more jaring. But since they dropped the lootbox mechanic at the last minute the whole thing crumples even more....
I think the main thing we're all concerned about is whether or not harley looks LGBT/cosplayable enough. Like, slay kween. I mean who even likes batman
it was a clone. his finger literally grows back out of no where, brainiac still has them and we break em out one by one each season. but i’m enjoying it a lot
In before "We have a roadmap to fix the issue" followed up by "I'm leaving but the game is in good hands and has a bright future ahead" to be concluded by "we thank our players for your continued support but we've made the tough decision to close support on this universally beloved game on January 31st 2025"
@@hassathunter2464 I see why you would be thinking that. But the devs and WB strike me as so tonedeaf that they don't get the hint and extend the misery for about this long. I don't even know if I would consider this a positive outlook on things tbh.
It’s so sad to see because the facial capture in cutscenes and the art direction for parts of metropolis are GORGEOUS. Even some of the game elements like the movement of the characters (especially boomerang’s teleport) is so fucking cool. I really wish we could have had this game as a single-player rpg but here we are :(.
Honestly as much as I hate to admit it, I agree. The character movements are insanely fluid and look really good. Metropolis looks like a place that would've been good to explore under different circumstances. Cutscene visuals looks top tier. All these things makes the game suck even more because of all these assets were wasted on the Suicide Squad in general, and on a looter live service model
Maybe a justice league game or simply a superman game. This could have been an execptional place to make a fully featured Superman game as a single player experience. I think the company could have pulled that off.
Something I've been telling myself since 2022 is this; "If a game changes genres say story driven narrative to online exclusive or games as a service etc, the game will fail." This helped me avoid money wastage from not buying the new CODs
CoD was never a story driven narrative though...it's stayed very similar gameplay wise...it's the micro transactions and sbmm people don't like...but the game itself hasn't changed.
Eh what? Do you mean studio instead of game? In which case; let me direct you to Respawn entertainment, who went from making banger FPS games to banger ARPG's
You were wise to start thinking that when the rest of us started sounding the alarm years ago. Well done, and good on you. A solid internet pat on the back friend. 🖐️ or internet five. That works too.
Things that went wrong: -Sweet Baby -Live Service -Writing not even familiar with general lore -Original Rocksteady gone -Thinking you would actually be able to shoot Flash or Superman
Let's not forget that even there own game scenes kills itself. Brainwashed King Shark doesn't need the green lantern ring to eat his opponents. "King Shark is Shark"
Falcon, you nailed it right at the end. This game just screams WB turning to Rocksteady and saying "I dont care what you want to do, make us endless money" and Rocksteady likely having no choice but to comply.
I PRAY this is a warning to other studios that we DO NOT want live service/loot boxes/PTW games. I will just stick with my indie games over these cash-grabs all day every day
Rock steady made a perfect live service model. All future content free, forever. Pay once and done. If any other studio made this game it would be getting praised, saying "this is how you do live service". Unfortunately people are focused on WHO made the game, not the game itself. And there seems to be no nuance to the conversation. No one is comparing the game to other looter shooters or live service games. Just explaining why it's not the same as a single player action brawler
@@jesse1086I highly doubt ALL the future contents will be free, especially even Destiny can’t do that. IMO, the reason a lot of live service games failed because it doesn’t give enough reason for players to invest their time on. If they expect us to keep on grinding it must have a really good reasons to do so like Destiny or Warframe or PoE or even like Gacha games . For me this game seems good but I don’t care enough to grind it.
@@jesse1086 Doesn't matter, they made a game no one wanted and the fanboys who have no ability to think for themselves are not going to be able to save this one anymore than they managed to save Marvels Avengers.
What the hell is going on with the CEOs? Churning out half baked games, only to cut their staff when it didn’t land. The consumers are getting sour and the staff are getting punished? MAN!!
CEOs only exist to make the most profit as possible for the least amount of effort for the shareholders. Thing is, they only care about making money in the short term, and have no consideration for the long term, since usually they just wanna hold the position for a few years at most, make some millions, and then move on to the next company to suckle from.
CEO's, while some are awful, many are just shareholder puppets. They are just yes men. If a CEO doesn't do anything he can to make them as much money as humanly possible, then they will put somebody else in place who will. Shareholders don't play these games. They only want money. They will squeeze a company dry and move on to the next.
rocksteady having a hard time making 4 characters unique on a million dollar budget while Earth Defense Force by Sandlot was able to make 4 unique characters with 35 people and pocket change
Wouldn’t be shocked if this ends Rocksteady as a studio. I knew the second this was implied to be live service it was going to be a complete and utter dumpster fire. Just embarrassing.
It brings up the question: what would they do next? They could try to fix this game and slowly pull a Cyberpunk maybe, or they could ditch this game and start a new one from scratch. Both would require a ton of time, resources, and fan goodwill to allow them to recover, so I don’t see them surviving long. Maybe a year or a few years with a LOT of layoffs. This isn’t worst case, but it’s closer to worst case than it is best case scenario.
From what I’ve heard the original developers left the company during this game’s development. Sefton Hill started a new studio with the others that left.
@@bencarlson4300 the thing about Cyberpunk (I've played it and platinumed it) is that its story was spot on the you can earn every cosmetic in the game the only microtransaction is a dlc which is amazing but doesn't ruin the story if you don't have it and the gameplay is genuinely fun while this is a complete dumpster fire of money hungry corporation bullshit
@@bencarlson4300they are clearly going to carry on developing it, there's a road map. Even Redfall didn't die out of the gate. It's not going to pull a Cyberpunk but it probably will get better. It just depends if enough people hang around long enough to make it worthwhile. I'm guessing not but there are definitely people out there who are enjoying it. Fair play to them. I might not like it but I don't wish for other people to have a bad experience and don't claim that I'm some ultimate arbiter of what other people are allowed to find fun.
If this is the quality of writing and gameplay they can deliver then the studio is dead already. Many once legendary "dev studios" like Bioware for example are dead and gone, all the people who made once good games have left long ago. The publisher is just using the name for attention even tho it has nothing to do with the original studio.
Noone ever mentions that Harley Quinn's revolver makes the shell case hitting the ground noise when she shoots Batman. Harley Quinn's REVOLVER, a revolver that is literally only in the game for cutscenes i might remind you.
Does anyone remember Harry Quinn’s fighting moves in Arkham knight?? She used like joker tricks and a bat, it was so much cooler. Now it’s just shooty-shoot.
If you remember almost a decade ago there were leaks of rocksteadys superman concept art. That concept art was for this game. Just saying that is how long they have been actively developing this game
Absolutely spot on. This is yet another example of a game development being led by the executives and not the developers. I saw Marvels Avengers written all over this from the beginning. Live service games from a beloved studio like Rocksteady is just a matter of time until they are shutdown due to monetization not meeting expectations. What a shame.
I just started my Arkham journey, I'm already at Arkham City and I can say one thing for sure, Arkham Knight will be the last game I play. I'm not touching this dumpster fire of a game. RIP Kevin Conroy 😢
I swear the talk surrounding this game is a bunch of buzzwords from a bunch of people who know nothing about this game besides “DC”. Nd UA-camrs raking in hate watch views to ride the confirmation bias train makes thing worse by fueling the fire
you are a part of the flock bro you cannot be happy with what thse game devs are releasing its just straight garbage, and what about cod now? its 70$ has a microtransaction store and a battle pass thats the definition of greed and its not just call of duty doing this shit@StrikeforceWarBot
You know what I've found that helps studios with a game that's tanking? They should start attacking people in negative reviews, and tell them that they just didn't understand the game.
@@Tuningforks85 hahahaq you are in full enial of why haters are hating @Fidelity. I'll explain it so it's not a cheesy attack.. Starfield was hyped for 10 years.. And there is/was nothing unique about it at all. It ended up being Skyrim SciFy... I let most who were caught up in the hype train letdown. 'Good' wasn't enough for a 10 year Bethesda hype. The game needed another 2 years in the oven for more features for sure. Bugs or lack of mean little to me since they always get fixed w/ time... ~~Me personally, i never really mentioned more then 2 or 3 times online about Starfield. I didn't buy my pre-order & decided to try it on game pass 1st. Glad i did.... ~With this game KillJustice League the Joker was nail in coffiin for me.. I didn't even know about the Batman fate at that point.. That Joker screams Diversity.. A insecure Joker is 100% what the fans never would want in that character... And this is the fault of what happens when people whos only skills are diversity & inclusion design a established character... Now all the pressure is on Rocksteady to make the next game be a super homerun like ArkhamCity because without it fans like myself will avoid them completely like Bioware.....
The reason Harley murdering Bats was SO bad, is because he has actively been trying to help her. She was a victim and Bruce wanted to save her. And so she, rudely and crudely, executes him (with a terrible cutscene) while lecturing him at length. It's nonsensical - especially when you remember she's a psychotic murderer and terrorist.
Brody she was a therapist and if you’ve noticed about Harley she didn’t have any satisfaction in her voice, she didn’t enjoy it. She was trying to hide her pain. She, unlike the others, didn’t celebrate or disrespect his body
@@robertrozmirsky8040this is the Arkham universe Harley It is established in the universe that she slept all the way to earn her degree She was bad that's why joker could manipulate her She's also a terrorist and a children killer Also she actively tortured Jason too That character is in no position to lecture anyone on morality Let alone The Batman
Maybe the concept of killing heroes will tend to bring in developers/writers/etc... who aren't so much interested in creating a game that fans of the previous games will love, but instead want to inject their own subversive ideas. Yeah, it is a bad premise for a game. It invites toxicity and hatred of what is truly good and beautiful. The "they were mind controlled" shtick is a low-effort cop-out.
Some of the parts I've seen discussed in other places, especially Harley's final words to Batman, read to me like it was ripped from some crappy character-bashing fanfiction. Any potential legitimate character flaws are mixed with made-up flaws, then exaggerated to extreme proportions to create a shallow caricature of the character. This character is then "ripped apart" by someone who barley knows anything about the surface level character, much less willing to look deeper into them.
Deciding your game will just be live service is not just stupid, but ignorant and cocky to say the least. Publishers basically "decide" their game will be success and popular. And newsflash, you cant decide that, you morons. I hate live service, its a blight, but even me, when I think of it, even I play live service you could argue. I am a big fan of Paradox strategy games, like Stellaris. And these guys keep cracking expansions like crazy and I love it. But guess what, they made a game FIRST, fucking THEN it got popular, then they made expensions, and when there was a demand, then they turned into live service basically. These morons however, they undermine entire development and the game, so it could be live service in the future. Like thanks, thanks for "deciding" we will love and play and buy this crap before you even made... now go to welfare center or smth cause you might gonna need it.b
He's an easy 280 for sure! His official weight has been 210lbs for decades now but he's always much bigger than he used to be! If Stone Cold is the same height at 6'2 and he weighs 252lbs, then I agree all geared up Bruce is easily 280lbs. No way she even picks him up.
man i made a comment somewhere else earlier what went wrong and you understood it 200% truly the best game reviewer i've seen in long long times. There's literally just too many problems with the game overal and that for a 70/100 Euro mid game with no existing ending. And they have the gall to call reviews or commentary on this game just random troll attacks.
The moment I saw a clip of King Shark putting on Lantern’s ring(!), immediately becoming the new GL, I literally said out loud “somebody doesn’t know what the f**k they’re doing”
@@demetriusmccray1574 Because they were hired solely for optics and not because they are knowledgeable on the content. Stop trying to read into this too far
you know it's bad when Falcon says it's bad this dude is usually way too fair on bad games, which is fine it just makes him saying a game is bad even more impactful
@@thebyrdcage8619It’s definitely bad if everyone is shitting on it. I guarantee the combat will get repetitive 3 hours in. You’re fighting the same enemies over and over
I don't consider this game to be canon in the ArkhamVerse. It's not just a personal statement but also a logical one, cause there's no way things would've ever went the way it did in the story, not as long as batman was there.
As someone who met Kevin Conroy at a comic con (and got talk to him for 20 minutes, it was the last day and I was the last person to see him) he deserved so much better, this should’ve been a game about Batman fighting (and curing) a mind controlled JLA if anything.
@@WolfStory even though he looked like he was on his way out (it was the end of the day) he still made time for me and took some pictures with me and signed my copy of Arkham Knight.
My favorite people are this game’s defenders: “You’re overreacting just because this game is intended as a deliberate insult to you and the things you love”
Always makes me laugh, that one. They deliberately set out to insult you, so if you're insulted... you're wrong? But if you weren't insulted and you liked it, that would mean they failed.
To be honest, as much as I dislike this game. Some people exaggerate, this game isn't a deliberate insult. It's just an expensive live service game with repetitive gameplay, disappointing boss fights and a story that could had been done better. But calling it a deliberate insult is just exaggeration.
I've never understood that line of reasoning. Why would an entity that derives its income making 'things you love' intentionally commit hærəˈkɪrɪ by denigrating the thing their customer loves? Nothing more than mental gymnastics concocted by Simps that have zero concept of constructive criticism.
@@cape9869 maybe remove the word _deliberate_, then you'll get what people are saying, or maybe you're not a fan of the characters being insulted because the _insult_ is present.
@@ms-terious it’s easy to understand if you understand the people who make these decisions. The company is filled with devs who are progressive whackos. They hate Batman for being a straight, white male. They hate that comics have mostly been created by straight, white makes. And they hate the audience for being primarily straight, white males. It is that simple. And the executives (usually the only guys in these companies who have a basic understanding of economics) know nothing about Batman, comics, or video games. They just demand a live-service game based on a popular existing franchise that they can milk as much money as they can for a decade; they neither know nor care about the story
Really appreciate how Gameranx does things. They don’t complain about not getting early access or give biased opinions based on getting early access or not. They don’t give scores or tell you to buy or not. They just speak facts. You are my go to for honest analysis.
It sucks for the people involved that worked on the game because the people working on the game, developers to actors, did the best with what they were forced to do. It sucks even more for Rocksteady, and other studios forced to make games like this, because their name is being dragged through the mud when it’s very likely the integrity lacking suits above them forcing them to go this route. People don’t want to lose their jobs and have to suck it up all while being the face and recipients of the backlash. Meanwhile those suits get off scot free for their obvious mismanagement and shitty decision making.
It's funny he mentions how this *could have* been one of the greatest bosh rush games ever made. The premise has the potential in spades. But after you do the first one you've already seen every boss fight. And I mean every single boss fight. It's just dodge some stuff, shoot some stuff, League member gets a weak spot you shoot for a second, repeat until they flop over like a fish.
@kilyk21 stole money, yes. And that will forever resonate with every passionate mk fan since the og days. If they announce MK II, they can't follow the same path they took with mk1. Guaranteed flop. All the good marketing before release sold the game. All the trailers before release was absolutely fire. No doubt about it. But the game is souless, especially with Tekken 8 out now.
@@YungShep1there is 0 difference in mk1 and x and everyone loved x. Y’all just enjoy hating and never want games or studios to change or try anything new.
Everybody posting comments here knows that the majority of live service games are trash, but that doesn't stop them from making huge mountains of cash for their publishers.
Remember Guardians of the Galaxy? That was a great single player superhero game that sadly no one played. I feel most companies just want to max their profit potentials (which is a horrible move).
It's funny how WB and Rocksteady assumed that we were ready to move on from the Arkham formula when they could have easily milked that for years and years and we would have loved it.
I worked on this title and it was simply UNFINISHED. It went through reboots for about 75% of the dev time and then when the OGs left they couldn't figure out what to do next. The story parts weren't even worked on until late 2023 , which is why all the characters stand around doing fuck all why the plot happened to them (see WW's fight with Sman) and it was made more "spicey" (inflammatory) at corporate's behest to keep everyone from seeing how underbaked it is. The higher ups didn't want it to be "like the cyberpunk fiasco " 🙄
Superman could have destroyed them all with a flick of his finger. But they killed him with guns, the man is bulletproof and faster than a speeding bullet. Wtf were they smoking in the office
@@JeighNeither That's exactly it. Lex-2 synthesizes a new form of Kryptonite that they wear and use in bullets, and the Superman fight largely boils down to constantly shooting him to lower his defenses over time.
There is difference between _"literally so happy"_ and _"so happy"?_ I am only speak the English for 5 years old and even I am knowing that this is silly to say this _"literally so happy"._
@@donnydogpiss4533??? you clearly need more practice because “literally so happy” is a perfectly fine phrase? it means theyre literally feeling happy and grateful that they found this teview before buying the game. why did you come to this comment section to incorrectly nit pick a random strangers choice of words? get a hobby
@@LavelinaAli they are game development cancer parading themselves around as "diversity, equity, and inclusion initiatives". They're just a symptom of the greater plague though, look to wokeness, forced compliance with ESG scores, and why liberal politicians are sanctioning the destruction of western culture. Everyone sees the pattern of garbage games/movies/shows/comics/etc. that we keep getting, at this point it should be hard to continue believing it's all one big coincidence.
@@MightyManotaur22 All games u named are trash xD worst of the worst garbage only existing to sour the game that came before or in GoW's case its allready the second game in that regard
It is incredibly satisfying to see this fail and get called out for every greedy and asinine choice. Now stop pre-ordering and stop giving them any form of your attention or funding. Let reviewers call them out as trash, then throw it away
What's funny is that it has surprisingly positive reviews on Steam. But all those positive reviews say things like "not worth $70", "story's good but gameplay sucks, "gameplay's good but story sucks", or "it's better than Avengers".
@@PoliteWerewolfIts positive on steam but have you seen the Player count? Its doing better than avengers but are we REALLY gonna say thats a good thing its literally DOA
@@patrikpetrucha5536And some of the steam reviews even say the gameplay is wonky, or the deaths being trash etc so even the positive reviews are even criticizing the game to hell
And the fact that a “consulting firm” called Sweet Baby worked on the game. That’s a huge red flag. If you ever see a game and Sweet Baby mentioned together then stay away from that game at all costs.
in this case, it’s just as simple as being owned by Warner Bros. i mean, they’ve got Monolith working on a Wonder Woman game. cuz that’s what we all wanted, not something that makes better use of the nemesis system that they for some reason patented, then only used twice. instead it’s more inevitably live service super hero crap
I would believe it tbh. In the Arkham story she basically died. So they'll be like "no she's a plant so she's coming back" I'm mostly surprised by the evil batman thing, the same Arkham batman who sobbed while under the joker influence for killing a dead joker
One of the few things I liked about this game is the Character Design, all of them looked like they came out of a comic book. Every single member of the Justice League had superb design.
@@huliniswhoiam Sweet Baby inc. Is basically a company that only exist to make video games more politically correct rather than letting it be what it is. They're all about cramming political messages down gamers' throats and nothing else.
@@huliniswhoiamGoogle them, they are a cancer on the gaming industry right now. They are basically sensitivity consultants and they have their tentacles in almost every recent game that hase been... Lets say devisive.
If the start was the burning down of Wayne Manor and not Ra's attack, yeah, I could see that Really only changes some dialogue, minor plot tweaks and removes the protect Batman's identity side missions
Thank you for addressing the 9 year development. I have left a comment asking where that time went and I have received 0 answers. I don't think that ANYONE knows what it was about this game that took 9 years.
I believe they were working on something else prior to taking on Suicide Squad (Damien Wayane Batman game was what I remember reading). They took it over from someone else if I’m not mistaken.
Well weren’t they working on like a superman game or something then WB made them pivot sometime in development? Idk how true that is i just remember reading that in passing
Speculation aside, we can say with certainty that they didn't know what they were doing. To my knowledge, they've never made an offline coop game, let alone a full blown online live service game. I'd be deeply surprised if, when they started, a single person in the company had ever done more than glance at netcode.
Rocksteady should just put out a statement saying that they decided that its no longer the main world of the Arkham-verse and is just one of the “else-worlds”.
I think you nailed it on the head when you said the problem is that the game takes place in the Arkham universe. Just plain disrespectful to both Conroy and Arkham Batman. Game still isn't good either way, but they could have gotten away with it had they made it a separate universe.
Even though he wrote a lot of the lines? Signed off to be on it? And oh wow didn’t know he was gonna pass so stop using that as an excuse you morbid freak.
Like actually do you think they planned this to have massive pushback from Arkham losers) who all need to bring up someone dying to trash a game? Who are already known to be insane and freak out? You guys are just gross people using someone’s name as a reason to hate it’s disgusting
@@alizaidi2893 yea the only actual reply I’ve ever seen on why the game is bad is live service. Which I personally don’t mind but ik it isn’t for everyone. Just old Arkham fans very salty they said it was in the same verse
Real talk. One of the best RPG's in years, but Batman gets offed so the entire internet wants to tear the company down and make the streets run with the developers blood. It's insane.
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What is perplexing most is that the endgame is focusing on elseworlds, alternate dimensions/timelines etc. so the question becomes "why did you set this in the Arkham timeline?"
Who would buy this trash if it didn't have the Arkham cred attached to it's name? They knew the game was bad but they want that ESG money.
@@n4ughty_knight I mean other than "this is the Arkham timeline" it doesn't have cred because everyone hates the storyline and idea that they're killing Batman
ESG scores are why this stuff keeps happening. Look it up!
Game would have made more sense if they tried to tie it in to Injustice. Granted they would have had to get NRS to back it but the story might not be so bland.
@@B1GSW1SHBut hey who tf cares about Injustice. Arkham Games are considered to be the Best SuperHero games of all time. That’s why they were shoe horning it in “From the creators of Batman Arkham”, “This is based in Arkham Universe.”
You can even see Insomniac Copying so much of Ideas and Technicalities that made them GOTY contenders.
This is another example of how disconnected from reality corporate management has become across most industries sadly
They don’t even care!
Agree, it’s pure cancer. They don’t care about games one bit. It’s just charts and graphs on a board in an investor meeting for them. ☹️
And as consumers our answers and ideas are so simple. It astounds me how easy it is for a company to miss a beat.
@@FatalFistalso it’s not like it’s hard to find what the fans are saying
@@adrudds We think that but we're over here saying we can do what they're doing better. If we knew Anthem's problems before launch and were invited to help them - after knowing what we know now - shit I would have jumped ship.
I’ll tell you what went wrong. They had a squad of diverse characters including Deadshot & said “Let’s make every character play like Deadshot”.
What else can you do with four powerless characters?
@@w415800 captain boomerang has powers
To be fair, the gameplay was doomed from the beginning. How do you "play" as King Shark? Cpt Boomerang is a goof character from a bygone Era of toned down heroes. Harley Quinn is not a threat to any League member, in any capacity, period. This was preordained, room temp garbage.
@@kurtkurt2838Not in the Arkhamverse. The only one who has some level of superhuman strength is Naunae (King Shark).
There's is no melee
If the Justice League was being mind controlled and truly no longer holding back they would be unstoppable. Each and every one of them is capable of being a serious global threat in their own way. The idea that some group of B-list criminals (who were already defeated and captured!) could defeat them was ridiculous from the start.
THIS THIS THIS
Flash would wipe the floor with them in .2s
@@33corsaire2 secs for flash is endless. Probably 0,000000000000000000000000000000000002 nanoseconds
Heck even batman wouldn't be able or have a hard time fighting a not holding back Justice League... Injustice batman even need a lot of help from other heroes and even alternate universe heroes to beat a unhinged Justice League
@@lelouchvibritannia1662it’s annoying how we allowed comic writers to make us believe Batman is in any way a formidable opponent to the other justice league members lol
Still can't believe that it took 6 years to make 4 great Batman games but it took 9 years to make this
Obviously scrapped numerous times and redesigned over and over again by focus groups and committees until it became a gray mass of poop.
Excellent point... n sad af.
I have a feeling Rocksteady didn't initially want to make this, and had to spend more time working on another game. That and the delays didn't help.
@@uwotm8634didn’t want to make this lololoololol who sells a game they didn’t want to make please explain lmfao they made it meaning they wanted it, maybe some ideas they didn’t want but ultimately it’s what they chose to CREATE. and it’s just…….ATROCIOUS
@@TheMaddenGuy1 Because the people most interested in sales is WB, who's known to tamper with projects before. Why would Rocksteady want to make a looter shooter with a battle pass all of a sudden?
This is like if a solo RPG giant like Bioware made an utter turd of an always online 'games as a service' multiplayer looter shooter. JUST IMAGINE.
If they ever do I hope they include giant mech armors.
Oh man that sounds crazy. Almost like a game company making single player FPS bangers like Dishonored being forced to make live service 4 player co op vampire trash.
So....Anthem??
Kinda like Square Enix and Avengers lol
So redfall
I just want to throw this out there This game was in development still when the avengers game came out, that was 4 years ago. So the developers of the time saw the backlash avengers got and STILL kept making it live service.
They will make the game that investors tell them to make.
Actually the game started development in 2017 right around Destiny 2 and Fortnite was released.
@@t8chsupp0t8r4Yeah I know it was still in development that's my point.
At least this game is good unlike Avenger's
And let's not forget batman in the last game saying his emotional goodbyes and even as far as telling Selena that her or anyone would never see him again only to IMMEDIATELY GO TO METROPLOIS AND JOIN THE JUSTICE LEAGUE
Well it’s apparently not the Arkham universe. Which was their first mistake.
It most definitely is in the arkham universe@@joshwaterman5526
Whats funny is that hes getting letters from her too
oh my god , please rocksteady just come out with an annoouncement that this was an alternate reality or something...
@@carlzune6626 the original devs have all left Rocksteady. They are Rocksteady by name only.
You know it's bad when you don't care about spoilers. When I heard this game was online only I knew there was no chance I would ever want to play it.
They’re adding an offline mode
@@TheSilentMistit should have been there since the beginning. Not an afterthought.
@silverking8460 all games are pretty much made this way nowadays.. rush to release and patch it later.. almost all games anyways
Yup always a bad sign if you don’t care about spoilers. I’ve noticed that as well.
@@silverking8460 True but at least it’s planned. For all we know it could’ve been technical problems with offline compared to online that they needed to work on. Problem is in this era of gaming, majority of people have internet and don’t tend to focus on the offline group that much. The best thing Rocksteady said way before launch was working on an offline mode, would took years for any other company. Better late than never in my opinion.
-"Guys this game will have 6 seasons as new content"
-"So we going to have like a new threat, enemies and boss every season?"
-"What? No. You're going to fight same guy over and over for the next 6 seasons"
Hopefully they at least mix it up a bit. So far I see this as destiny 2 vanilla start. It didn't have that good of a start but it sure did build up as it went on.
Just like The Division 2 now 😅
Honestly, if the game JUST came out but the devs are already saying "look to future updates and seasons" then that says whatever you're playing in the beginning just isnt good or important.
If you looked at the post launch content, you'd know there are different bosses but they all center around Brainiac.
@@theSixPathsOfTrainsdestiny 2 got worse as it went on tho
Here’s a safe bet for EVERY GAME : if there is a battle pass ESPECIALLY AT LAUNCH, the developers are more worried about return on investment then delivering any type of playable game.
I blame the studio more than the Devs. The guy programming the game can only do what his boss says.
Didn't doom eternal have a sort of "battle pass" (tho I mostly forgot about it) 🤔
But it was still a fantastic game.
no battlepass at launch here
Have you played the game? There is no battle pass atm
@@ImShep117 this is such a sad truth
RIP Rocksteady. At least we can still go back and play the Arkham series.
Meh, burn in hell Rocksteady, let’s not pretend anyone useful or decent is still at the company.
And Urban Chaos: Riot Response, a super underrated 6th-generation game.
If the rule you followed brought you to this, of what use was the rule
@Priceman5 You didn't learn from the Last of US 2, or when Arcane did they same thing (made the online vamp game empty), did you? There is no going back for rocksteady, the talent is gone.
@@michaelcarson8375 I avoided those games like the plague. I'm hopeful, but im no fool. I pray the new studio the founders create does well.
The “his own protégés couldn’t defeat Batman but these four idiots could” my honest reaction
There’s an alternate universe where someone at WB said “hey why are we making a game about the dumbass Suicide Squad and another separate game about Batman’s protégés that have nothing to do with each other? Let’s combine those 2 ideas”. Gotham Knights but with the budget this game had and the general plot about needing to save the Justice League from Brainiacs mind control while being a proper sequel to the Arkham series starring characters we know and have played as like Robin, Red Hood, Nightwing, and Batgirl/Oracle would’ve been a thousand times better than this suicide squad shit. Hell they could’ve then used seasons to introduce new heroes we haven’t played as and new Bat Family members and other heroes like Damian, Azrael, Black Canary, Green Arrow,etc. but no that makes too much sense
@user-kl9bi4jt4t It's always the people with the anime avatars..
@@theobell2002they're always correct?
As someone who works at a company with two co-founders, if those two left, it would be a completely different company. The founders are often the driving force behind the vision. So you’re totally right - it’s a rocksteady game in name but this essentially a different company that made this
Finding out that co-FOUNDERS of the company quit in the middle of production tells me ALL I need to know. No thanks.
It all makes sense now. They hear about this change of direction and just nope the hell out before it sticks to them. It will stick. AND stink.
Did he say they left in 2022 lol
They left after the game was finished
@@JayColucci1after the game was done not mid production
Following the Live Service trend is killing beloved studios like Rocksteady, Arkane and Bungie. Naughty Dog had clout to save itself but Bungie is also getting axed. It's sad, man.
Naughty dog has been absolute garbage since druckman took over...
@@Tacitus_kilgore_1903that is inherently wrong
@@Tacitus_kilgore_1903 Naughty Dog has got the highest dev turnover rate in the industry, it's so bad that over 50% of its staff are interns and most of the rest have only been there in the last five years. Literally no one who started the company is still there, all the old guard have long since left.
@@Tacitus_kilgore_1903ND don’t know how to put out garbage lol
@@Tacitus_kilgore_1903
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Ah yes… captain boomerang with his signature sniper rifle and teleportation
Exactly.
tf you think Captain Boomerang is going to do against Aliens WITH A FUCKING BOOMERANG?
and it isn't teleportation, close to it, but he's just running and catching the boomerang while using a Speedforce Gauntlet
@@princerollins1629Honestly that shit is fucking cool.
@@princerollins1629you own3d yourself with your own comment. That's exactly the premise why this entire game is complete shit, complete shit
More like Suicide Squad: Flash could have killed all of us in less than a second, but where's the fun in that?
Or Superman. Or Wonderwoman. Or Batman with Preparation.
Brainiac Controlling any of them needs more of a Team like Trigon, Darkseid, Reverse Flash and Dr fate, Not those Suicide squad idiots.
But those characters dont use any replacable/upgradable equipment that can leverage lootboxex, shooter-looter game mechanic and crafting upgrading....
They needed characters that can drop and equip stuff... because for any JL members it doesn't make sense and would be even more jaring.
But since they dropped the lootbox mechanic at the last minute the whole thing crumples even more....
YT does not like that word it should have given you that box with the "Are you sure you want to post this" BS.
I think the main thing we're all concerned about is whether or not harley looks LGBT/cosplayable enough. Like, slay kween. I mean who even likes batman
it was a clone. his finger literally grows back out of no where, brainiac still has them and we break em out one by one each season. but i’m enjoying it a lot
All these years later and companies are still trying to make their own "Destiny" and as soon as one fails another company says "hold my beer"
Destiny is garbage as well don’t know what kind of idiot juice you’re drinking
Totally agreed
In before "We have a roadmap to fix the issue" followed up by "I'm leaving but the game is in good hands and has a bright future ahead" to be concluded by "we thank our players for your continued support but we've made the tough decision to close support on this universally beloved game on January 31st 2025"
Giving them a whole year, you're thinking so positively.
@@hassathunter2464 I see why you would be thinking that. But the devs and WB strike me as so tonedeaf that they don't get the hint and extend the misery for about this long. I don't even know if I would consider this a positive outlook on things tbh.
They haven't even closed the book on Multiversus. WB isn't gonna end support for Suicide Squad that fast.
@@wrydstepbr0_0 suicide squad’s valiant defender
@@twall4381 He's right though.
It’s so sad to see because the facial capture in cutscenes and the art direction for parts of metropolis are GORGEOUS. Even some of the game elements like the movement of the characters (especially boomerang’s teleport) is so fucking cool. I really wish we could have had this game as a single-player rpg but here we are
:(.
Honestly as much as I hate to admit it, I agree. The character movements are insanely fluid and look really good. Metropolis looks like a place that would've been good to explore under different circumstances. Cutscene visuals looks top tier. All these things makes the game suck even more because of all these assets were wasted on the Suicide Squad in general, and on a looter live service model
Maybe a justice league game or simply a superman game. This could have been an execptional place to make a fully featured Superman game as a single player experience. I think the company could have pulled that off.
Massive waste of the voice talent & gorgeous graphics + area design.
Something I've been telling myself since 2022 is this; "If a game changes genres say story driven narrative to online exclusive or games as a service etc, the game will fail." This helped me avoid money wastage from not buying the new CODs
CoD was never a story driven narrative though...it's stayed very similar gameplay wise...it's the micro transactions and sbmm people don't like...but the game itself hasn't changed.
Eh what? Do you mean studio instead of game? In which case; let me direct you to Respawn entertainment, who went from making banger FPS games to banger ARPG's
Man this Game Is So Bad
@@justinlast2lastharder749 Black Ops had peak story, about the other CoDs you're right
You were wise to start thinking that when the rest of us started sounding the alarm years ago. Well done, and good on you. A solid internet pat on the back friend. 🖐️ or internet five. That works too.
Remember when everyone was like, "Who cares, it isn't Rocksteady" about Gotham Knights. Well, this time, it is Rocksteady.
I know these guys are quiet now lol.
Gotham knights wasnt made by rocksteady it was made by wb Montreal and everyone new it was going to be trash
@BoxingisgoatedBoxingisgo-sy7jy Yep, you are correct. And that is shocking.
At least WB Montreal isn't gonna perish either. Rocksteady is on life support
@@asmodeusml ikr
Things that went wrong:
-Sweet Baby
-Live Service
-Writing not even familiar with general lore
-Original Rocksteady gone
-Thinking you would actually be able to shoot Flash or Superman
Finally someone else calling out Sweet Baby Inc.
Let's not forget that even there own game scenes kills itself.
Brainwashed King Shark doesn't need the green lantern ring to eat his opponents.
"King Shark is Shark"
@@Krunt9789 I love Sweet Baby Inc. They have a list of studios to avoid on their site 😀, saves a lot of money.
@@Krunt9789is that the new Anna Sarcezean... or whatever the heck her name was?
@Punkertoon - I know... Characters like Superman being shot is RIDICULOUS... In movies like BvS, games like this, or anywhere. Just lazy writing.
Falcon, you nailed it right at the end. This game just screams WB turning to Rocksteady and saying "I dont care what you want to do, make us endless money" and Rocksteady likely having no choice but to comply.
I PRAY this is a warning to other studios that we DO NOT want live service/loot boxes/PTW games. I will just stick with my indie games over these cash-grabs all day every day
And I'll add stick to my retro games and consoles and pre-existing Arkham games.
Rock steady made a perfect live service model. All future content free, forever. Pay once and done. If any other studio made this game it would be getting praised, saying "this is how you do live service". Unfortunately people are focused on WHO made the game, not the game itself. And there seems to be no nuance to the conversation. No one is comparing the game to other looter shooters or live service games. Just explaining why it's not the same as a single player action brawler
@@jesse1086I highly doubt ALL the future contents will be free, especially even Destiny can’t do that.
IMO, the reason a lot of live service games failed because it doesn’t give enough reason for players to invest their time on. If they expect us to keep on grinding it must have a really good reasons to do so like Destiny or Warframe or PoE or even like Gacha games . For me this game seems good but I don’t care enough to grind it.
@@jesse1086 Doesn't matter, they made a game no one wanted and the fanboys who have no ability to think for themselves are not going to be able to save this one anymore than they managed to save Marvels Avengers.
@@jesse1086It’s just an all around terrible game.
What the hell is going on with the CEOs? Churning out half baked games, only to cut their staff when it didn’t land. The consumers are getting sour and the staff are getting punished? MAN!!
CEOs only exist to make the most profit as possible for the least amount of effort for the shareholders. Thing is, they only care about making money in the short term, and have no consideration for the long term, since usually they just wanna hold the position for a few years at most, make some millions, and then move on to the next company to suckle from.
Its called capitalism and its not exclusive to video games. If you dont like it, vote for people who will change it.
CEO's, while some are awful, many are just shareholder puppets. They are just yes men. If a CEO doesn't do anything he can to make them as much money as humanly possible, then they will put somebody else in place who will. Shareholders don't play these games. They only want money. They will squeeze a company dry and move on to the next.
Shareholders are why
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Plot twist, Squidward squad actually high on fentanyl, and never leaves Arkham asylum.
I know its a Autocorrect fail, but I want a mod now, that makes every Character into a Squidward Version.
@@mordiHarbinger How do you know it was an autocorrect fail? 🤣
I honestly thought this whole game was in an alternate dimension where Braniac actually wins but nope, they had to destroy the Arkham games...
Fleeting final visions as they're all executed for their crimes.
Could be an rpg/ fantasy of some villains playing inside the Arkham Asylum.
rocksteady having a hard time making 4 characters unique on a million dollar budget while Earth Defense Force by Sandlot was able to make 4 unique characters with 35 people and pocket change
100 million dollar budget
What bothered me the most is that most of the heroes just dropped dead after the fight and not much else happened.
Then got there corpses sh*t on
Lazy
Wonderwoman got to turn to dust, with sad music and a crying Harley, flash got piss.
Cause they will get revived on the upcoming seasons. Flash's dialogue has already been leaked.
@@Ranjeflyso they will continue the story ?
Wouldn’t be shocked if this ends Rocksteady as a studio. I knew the second this was implied to be live service it was going to be a complete and utter dumpster fire. Just embarrassing.
It brings up the question: what would they do next? They could try to fix this game and slowly pull a Cyberpunk maybe, or they could ditch this game and start a new one from scratch. Both would require a ton of time, resources, and fan goodwill to allow them to recover, so I don’t see them surviving long. Maybe a year or a few years with a LOT of layoffs. This isn’t worst case, but it’s closer to worst case than it is best case scenario.
From what I’ve heard the original developers left the company during this game’s development. Sefton Hill started a new studio with the others that left.
@@bencarlson4300 the thing about Cyberpunk (I've played it and platinumed it) is that its story was spot on the you can earn every cosmetic in the game the only microtransaction is a dlc which is amazing but doesn't ruin the story if you don't have it and the gameplay is genuinely fun while this is a complete dumpster fire of money hungry corporation bullshit
@@bencarlson4300they are clearly going to carry on developing it, there's a road map. Even Redfall didn't die out of the gate. It's not going to pull a Cyberpunk but it probably will get better. It just depends if enough people hang around long enough to make it worthwhile. I'm guessing not but there are definitely people out there who are enjoying it. Fair play to them. I might not like it but I don't wish for other people to have a bad experience and don't claim that I'm some ultimate arbiter of what other people are allowed to find fun.
If this is the quality of writing and gameplay they can deliver then the studio is dead already. Many once legendary "dev studios" like Bioware for example are dead and gone, all the people who made once good games have left long ago. The publisher is just using the name for attention even tho it has nothing to do with the original studio.
Noone ever mentions that Harley Quinn's revolver makes the shell case hitting the ground noise when she shoots Batman. Harley Quinn's REVOLVER, a revolver that is literally only in the game for cutscenes i might remind you.
😂😂😂
I never actually noticed, that's hilarious
I'm thinking Batman has to weigh around 250lb or so, he's a big dude and all that armor.
Harley Quinn picked him up and threw him over her shoulder...
It took me a second to think about this. Lol the shells don't come out automatically.
@@zerocool5395 omfglmaooo
The way Batman died like that made me angry more about this game. Batman was my childhood hero.
Does anyone remember Harry Quinn’s fighting moves in Arkham knight?? She used like joker tricks and a bat, it was so much cooler. Now it’s just shooty-shoot.
Is Harry Quinn post transition Harley?
Everyone: Rocksteady should make a Superman game next!
WB: Best we can do is a generic looter shooter.
Rocksteady pitched the Suicide Squad shooter game themself.
If you remember almost a decade ago there were leaks of rocksteadys superman concept art. That concept art was for this game. Just saying that is how long they have been actively developing this game
Absolutely spot on. This is yet another example of a game development being led by the executives and not the developers. I saw Marvels Avengers written all over this from the beginning. Live service games from a beloved studio like Rocksteady is just a matter of time until they are shutdown due to monetization not meeting expectations. What a shame.
I just started my Arkham journey, I'm already at Arkham City and I can say one thing for sure, Arkham Knight will be the last game I play. I'm not touching this dumpster fire of a game. RIP Kevin Conroy 😢
Greed is what is wrong with the game. And the industry in general
@StrikeforceWarBot Oh you poor naive kiddo keep eating up the bs PR speeches and empty hollow promises that greedy publishers keep vomiting out.
I swear the talk surrounding this game is a bunch of buzzwords from a bunch of people who know nothing about this game besides “DC”. Nd UA-camrs raking in hate watch views to ride the confirmation bias train makes thing worse by fueling the fire
you are a part of the flock bro you cannot be happy with what thse game devs are releasing its just straight garbage, and what about cod now? its 70$ has a microtransaction store and a battle pass thats the definition of greed and its not just call of duty doing this shit@StrikeforceWarBot
Investment groups is the problem
Wokism + Greed
You know what I've found that helps studios with a game that's tanking? They should start attacking people in negative reviews, and tell them that they just didn't understand the game.
So pull a Bethesda lmao
@@blakerogers9600nah volition higher ups
@@Tuningforks85yes, because Starfield is SUCH a masterpiece lol.
@@Tuningforks85this is a good point, when games like this come out it makes you appreciate something like Starfield
@@Tuningforks85 hahahaq you are in full enial of why haters are hating @Fidelity.
I'll explain it so it's not a cheesy attack..
Starfield was hyped for 10 years..
And there is/was nothing unique about it at all.
It ended up being Skyrim SciFy...
I let most who were caught up in the hype train letdown.
'Good' wasn't enough for a 10 year Bethesda hype.
The game needed another 2 years in the oven for more features for sure.
Bugs or lack of mean little to me since they always get fixed w/ time...
~~Me personally, i never really mentioned more then 2 or 3 times online about Starfield.
I didn't buy my pre-order & decided to try it on game pass 1st.
Glad i did....
~With this game KillJustice League the Joker was nail in coffiin for me..
I didn't even know about the Batman fate at that point..
That Joker screams Diversity.. A insecure Joker is 100% what the fans
never would want in that character... And this is the fault of what happens when people
whos only skills are diversity & inclusion design a established character...
Now all the pressure is on Rocksteady to make the next game be a super homerun
like ArkhamCity because without it fans like myself will avoid them completely
like Bioware.....
The reason Harley murdering Bats was SO bad, is because he has actively been trying to help her. She was a victim and Bruce wanted to save her. And so she, rudely and crudely, executes him (with a terrible cutscene) while lecturing him at length. It's nonsensical - especially when you remember she's a psychotic murderer and terrorist.
It's a different universe
@@jimchain7200turns out it isn’t. 😮 I was shocked too
@@jimchain72004:50
Brody she was a therapist and if you’ve noticed about Harley she didn’t have any satisfaction in her voice, she didn’t enjoy it. She was trying to hide her pain. She, unlike the others, didn’t celebrate or disrespect his body
@@robertrozmirsky8040this is the Arkham universe Harley
It is established in the universe that she slept all the way to earn her degree
She was bad that's why joker could manipulate her
She's also a terrorist and a children killer
Also she actively tortured Jason too
That character is in no position to lecture anyone on morality
Let alone The Batman
Maybe the concept of killing heroes will tend to bring in developers/writers/etc... who aren't so much interested in creating a game that fans of the previous games will love, but instead want to inject their own subversive ideas. Yeah, it is a bad premise for a game. It invites toxicity and hatred of what is truly good and beautiful. The "they were mind controlled" shtick is a low-effort cop-out.
Some of the parts I've seen discussed in other places, especially Harley's final words to Batman, read to me like it was ripped from some crappy character-bashing fanfiction. Any potential legitimate character flaws are mixed with made-up flaws, then exaggerated to extreme proportions to create a shallow caricature of the character. This character is then "ripped apart" by someone who barley knows anything about the surface level character, much less willing to look deeper into them.
Rocksteady should’ve made a solo Superman game.
"Live service shit" - Falcoln, all my hommies hate live service shit. 😂
Deciding your game will just be live service is not just stupid, but ignorant and cocky to say the least. Publishers basically "decide" their game will be success and popular. And newsflash, you cant decide that, you morons.
I hate live service, its a blight, but even me, when I think of it, even I play live service you could argue. I am a big fan of Paradox strategy games, like Stellaris. And these guys keep cracking expansions like crazy and I love it. But guess what, they made a game FIRST, fucking THEN it got popular, then they made expensions, and when there was a demand, then they turned into live service basically.
These morons however, they undermine entire development and the game, so it could be live service in the future. Like thanks, thanks for "deciding" we will love and play and buy this crap before you even made... now go to welfare center or smth cause you might gonna need it.b
4:30 How the hell is tiny Harley Quinn carrying Bruce over her shoulder like that? He’s GOTTA weigh a good 280 while in his bat suit
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Or how about King Shark puts on GL's ring n turns into a mf GREEN LANTERN. powers and all. Not how it works... wtf Rocksteady 🚽
He's an easy 280 for sure! His official weight has been 210lbs for decades now but he's always much bigger than he used to be!
If Stone Cold is the same height at 6'2 and he weighs 252lbs, then I agree all geared up Bruce is easily 280lbs.
No way she even picks him up.
everything wrong with the game in one frame
@@tom2gunzbombadil689 what?!! Jesus! I hadn't even heard about that until this comment 🤣🤮
Obviously no clue about this universe!
man i made a comment somewhere else earlier what went wrong and you understood it 200% truly the best game reviewer i've seen in long long times.
There's literally just too many problems with the game overal and that for a 70/100 Euro mid game with no existing ending.
And they have the gall to call reviews or commentary on this game just random troll attacks.
I like to call this game "Rocksteady kills the Suicide Squad" for a reason.
Think id call it "Suicide Squad kills Rocksteady" tbh
You should see the cope in the xbox review comments... wow.
You’ve got it backwards.
Or better, "sucide squad live service game kills Rocksteady"
WB kills the Arkham Verse…
The moment I saw a clip of King Shark putting on Lantern’s ring(!), immediately becoming the new GL, I literally said out loud “somebody doesn’t know what the f**k they’re doing”
The person who wrote that was probably a diversity hire who only knows DC comics from recent cartoons and movies.
@@gokux75this is dumb. You think a minority wouldn’t read comics?
@@demetriusmccray1574 The implication being, that the person hired was not hired for their skill.
@@Jackrazorus he said they’d only “know dc comics from recent cartoons and movies”
@@demetriusmccray1574 Because they were hired solely for optics and not because they are knowledgeable on the content. Stop trying to read into this too far
you know it's bad when Falcon says it's bad this dude is usually way too fair on bad games, which is fine it just makes him saying a game is bad even more impactful
But it's not bad. Is it great? Hell no. But it's decent . Haven't had any issues.
@@thebyrdcage8619It’s definitely bad if everyone is shitting on it. I guarantee the combat will get repetitive 3 hours in. You’re fighting the same enemies over and over
@crobiyt3346 I enjoyed gotham knights and I'm enjoying this. Fck them haters.
@@thebyrdcage8619 That explains it.
@@Shinteo5 explains what? That I don't need to rely on asshats like u to tell me what to buy with my money? To make my own fun?
Oooooh, it’s a looter shooter. For some reason. That explains it perfectly.
I don't consider this game to be canon in the ArkhamVerse. It's not just a personal statement but also a logical one, cause there's no way things would've ever went the way it did in the story, not as long as batman was there.
this one's gonna be pacific rim 2, the one that we all agree doesn't exist
Furthermore, Deadshot was white, and King Shark was dead, it should've been another universe.
Edit: Also, Captain Boomerang was also dead.
Adults crying over batman is funny
@@CrocvsGatorthis is actually cleared up in the game itself
It’s canon no matter how much you cry
7 main story missions defending a car is all you needed to say for me to not wanna buy it.
I would just go play Overwatch 2 at that point if I wanted to defend the payload lol
This is a perfect representation of where gaming has gone from 2009 to 2023.
I'd say not just gaming but the world.
Kinda reminds me of the Robin Williams bit about golf.
"And you do this one time?"
"F Noooo! 18 f'n times!!!"
What went wrong is they consulted with Sweet Baby Inc. This trend of their consultations leading to massive gaming failures is underreported.
There's def a connection... problem is Sweet baby is in bed with Blackrock n or Vanguard. U know the rest.
Seriously. They need to stick to bbq sauce. I love me some of that sweet baby rays
don't worry. A decade from now we'll have the Gameranx video: "10 Games RUINED by Sweet Baby Inc."
@@DABranche A decade? Why not tomorrow?
Bruh they have such a terrible record I'm surprised people actually want to use em.
it would be better to ask what didn't go wrong
that'd be a really short video then
There's a section for such length of vids. UA-cam Shorts
@@orange6497shut up
@PhoenixLord777literally every character design is pretty much perfect especially Superman’s
Answer: NOTHING.
and I'm out.
As someone who met Kevin Conroy at a comic con (and got talk to him for 20 minutes, it was the last day and I was the last person to see him) he deserved so much better, this should’ve been a game about Batman fighting (and curing) a mind controlled JLA if anything.
Oh wow! So tell us... was he cool? Was he nice? Intelligent? etc.
@@WolfStory even though he looked like he was on his way out (it was the end of the day) he still made time for me and took some pictures with me and signed my copy of Arkham Knight.
Bruh he agreed to do this lmao what are you on.
That's a mf game id like to play !! Batman "kills" the Justice League. Smdh... wtf Rocksteady 💩
He was a cool guy. Did alot for fire fighters after 9/11.
Honestly, this is one of the best and rounded up honest review I've seen.
Thanks Falcon ☺️
Killing Brainiac 13 times sounds like a parody of a live service game.
My favorite people are this game’s defenders: “You’re overreacting just because this game is intended as a deliberate insult to you and the things you love”
Always makes me laugh, that one. They deliberately set out to insult you, so if you're insulted... you're wrong? But if you weren't insulted and you liked it, that would mean they failed.
To be honest, as much as I dislike this game. Some people exaggerate, this game isn't a deliberate insult.
It's just an expensive live service game with repetitive gameplay, disappointing boss fights and a story that could had been done better. But calling it a deliberate insult is just exaggeration.
I've never understood that line of reasoning.
Why would an entity that derives its income making 'things you love' intentionally commit hærəˈkɪrɪ by denigrating the thing their customer loves?
Nothing more than mental gymnastics concocted by Simps that have zero concept of constructive criticism.
@@cape9869 maybe remove the word _deliberate_, then you'll get what people are saying, or maybe you're not a fan of the characters being insulted because the _insult_ is present.
@@ms-terious it’s easy to understand if you understand the people who make these decisions. The company is filled with devs who are progressive whackos. They hate Batman for being a straight, white male. They hate that comics have mostly been created by straight, white makes. And they hate the audience for being primarily straight, white males. It is that simple.
And the executives (usually the only guys in these companies who have a basic understanding of economics) know nothing about Batman, comics, or video games. They just demand a live-service game based on a popular existing franchise that they can milk as much money as they can for a decade; they neither know nor care about the story
Really appreciate how Gameranx does things. They don’t complain about not getting early access or give biased opinions based on getting early access or not. They don’t give scores or tell you to buy or not. They just speak facts. You are my go to for honest analysis.
And I like Falcon's takes as he's usually no bs straight to the point. 👍
It sucks for the people involved that worked on the game because the people working on the game, developers to actors, did the best with what they were forced to do.
It sucks even more for Rocksteady, and other studios forced to make games like this, because their name is being dragged through the mud when it’s very likely the integrity lacking suits above them forcing them to go this route. People don’t want to lose their jobs and have to suck it up all while being the face and recipients of the backlash. Meanwhile those suits get off scot free for their obvious mismanagement and shitty decision making.
It's funny he mentions how this *could have* been one of the greatest bosh rush games ever made. The premise has the potential in spades. But after you do the first one you've already seen every boss fight. And I mean every single boss fight. It's just dodge some stuff, shoot some stuff, League member gets a weak spot you shoot for a second, repeat until they flop over like a fish.
It could have been a standalone title but nope
Wow, WB killed Mortal Kombat and Rocksteady within 6 months of each other. Impeccable
Mk1 still made money but this game its gonna lose alot. I hope rocksteady dosent go down.
@kilyk21 stole money, yes. And that will forever resonate with every passionate mk fan since the og days. If they announce MK II, they can't follow the same path they took with mk1. Guaranteed flop. All the good marketing before release sold the game. All the trailers before release was absolutely fire. No doubt about it. But the game is souless, especially with Tekken 8 out now.
What happened with Mortal Kombat? I haven’t played it yet. Was it bad?
@@YungShep1there is 0 difference in mk1 and x and everyone loved x. Y’all just enjoy hating and never want games or studios to change or try anything new.
@@SilverOPXso if an ip is good and gets changed then why change it for worse. thats called a downgrade
Why do some companies hate single player games? Is it that they can’t milk them?
That's right. They can't put a shop in the game with cancerous mtx to milk you for after you already bought the damn game.
Yes
Everybody posting comments here knows that the majority of live service games are trash, but that doesn't stop them from making huge mountains of cash for their publishers.
Remember Guardians of the Galaxy? That was a great single player superhero game that sadly no one played. I feel most companies just want to max their profit potentials (which is a horrible move).
@@DocGG_VT that was a great game, it suffered from being released after avengers
It's funny how WB and Rocksteady assumed that we were ready to move on from the Arkham formula when they could have easily milked that for years and years and we would have loved it.
Things would’ve gone great if they just started with an awesome Superman trilogy. Maybe even throw in an Arkham origins remastered.
Wouldve loved the fuck outta this ❤
A martian manhunter game this dont even have manhunter lul
If they did that this game would be released in like, 2040
They should have picked things up since the last Arkham game and showed us how Batman joined the Justice League. That would be at least 3 more games.
@jbwolf4 thats fine. At least we'd have 2 great trilogies and Batman Origins getting the respect it deserves
What really went wrong was that some folks in nice and expensive suits who know nothing about gaming, told Rocksteady how to make a game.
Suicide Squad: close the studio
I worked on this title and it was simply UNFINISHED. It went through reboots for about 75% of the dev time and then when the OGs left they couldn't figure out what to do next. The story parts weren't even worked on until late 2023 , which is why all the characters stand around doing fuck all why the plot happened to them (see WW's fight with Sman) and it was made more "spicey" (inflammatory) at corporate's behest to keep everyone from seeing how underbaked it is. The higher ups didn't want it to be "like the cyberpunk fiasco " 🙄
damn that sounds like a total mess
"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain."
Superman could have destroyed them all with a flick of his finger. But they killed him with guns, the man is bulletproof and faster than a speeding bullet. Wtf were they smoking in the office
They probably got kryptonite bullets or something.
leftist ideology crack
@@JeighNeither That's exactly it. Lex-2 synthesizes a new form of Kryptonite that they wear and use in bullets, and the Superman fight largely boils down to constantly shooting him to lower his defenses over time.
@@jakesteel4916so dumb
Ahhh another dummy that didn’t play the game GO PLAY THE GAME
I'm betting this game will end like how the avengers did. In 3 years we will see the devs close up shop and the game being delisted
This was being devved around the same time as that game, so it makes sense. Folks in the industry talk to each other.
3 years is pretty optimistic
Far to long xD 1year...and the pnly reason is joker in season 1 , and no matter how Bad the game is , if there is a joker there are blind followers
I still enjoy jumping on Avengers from time to time.
@@michaeltrost9048the joker has been wokeafied check the leaks for the joker dlc
This is like when Soldier Boy called Homelander a disappointment.
Lmao 🤣 🤣
It's not a dissapointment. It's an insult. A 9 year running insult.
Deaf executives, greed, & bad timing
Rest in peace Kevin
And the WEF who convinced Publishing Execs to start making Live Service products.
I'm literally so happy you guys made this video and saved me good money. Thank you cuz. This looks like I'd be pissed and it sucks
There is difference between _"literally so happy"_ and _"so happy"?_ I am only speak the English for 5 years old and even I am knowing that this is silly to say this _"literally so happy"._
@@donnydogpiss4533??? you clearly need more practice because “literally so happy” is a perfectly fine phrase? it means theyre literally feeling happy and grateful that they found this teview before buying the game. why did you come to this comment section to incorrectly nit pick a random strangers choice of words? get a hobby
This isnt Rocksteady, its Sweet Baby Inc.
Who's that?
@@LavelinaAli they are game development cancer parading themselves around as "diversity, equity, and inclusion initiatives". They're just a symptom of the greater plague though, look to wokeness, forced compliance with ESG scores, and why liberal politicians are sanctioning the destruction of western culture. Everyone sees the pattern of garbage games/movies/shows/comics/etc. that we keep getting, at this point it should be hard to continue believing it's all one big coincidence.
You mean the writing group that contributed to Alan Wake 2, God of War Ragnarok, and Spider-Man 2? Yeah, the writing is their fault. Cringe.
@@MightyManotaur22 All games u named are trash xD worst of the worst garbage only existing to sour the game that came before or in GoW's case its allready the second game in that regard
@@RealEvilLordExdeath lmao
It is incredibly satisfying to see this fail and get called out for every greedy and asinine choice. Now stop pre-ordering and stop giving them any form of your attention or funding. Let reviewers call them out as trash, then throw it away
ESG scores are why this stuff keeps happening. Look it up! They’ll be funded by Blackrock and won’t lose a dime.
What's funny is that it has surprisingly positive reviews on Steam. But all those positive reviews say things like "not worth $70", "story's good but gameplay sucks, "gameplay's good but story sucks", or "it's better than Avengers".
@@PoliteWerewolfAnd alll hate saying "Kevin disrespect" "trash game" "shit story" So your point?
@@PoliteWerewolfIts positive on steam but have you seen the Player count? Its doing better than avengers but are we REALLY gonna say thats a good thing its literally DOA
@@patrikpetrucha5536And some of the steam reviews even say the gameplay is wonky, or the deaths being trash etc so even the positive reviews are even criticizing the game to hell
And the fact that a “consulting firm” called Sweet Baby worked on the game. That’s a huge red flag. If you ever see a game and Sweet Baby mentioned together then stay away from that game at all costs.
But Alan Wake 2, GOW Ragnarok, Spider-Man 2 had them involved and those games were good. So… is this a flunk or Rocksteady is ass?
@@mablesfatalfable6021God of WaR is one of the best video games ever made.
@@mablesfatalfable6021You're delusional. God of War is top tier
@@mablesfatalfable6021”look at me, I play underground games because it’s cooler 🤓
@@mablesfatalfable6021 The "smooth brain" projection is strong with you
You Either Die a Hero or Live Long Enough to See Yourself Become the Villain
One of the best quotes
in this case, it’s just as simple as being owned by Warner Bros. i mean, they’ve got Monolith working on a Wonder Woman game. cuz that’s what we all wanted, not something that makes better use of the nemesis system that they for some reason patented, then only used twice. instead it’s more inevitably live service super hero crap
That fits here on so many levels
Hearing you explain the story beats is so nice, because it helps me confirm that this is not for me in the least
Also the fact that they went out of their way to make Wonder Woman extra heroic was just weird. Also, The bios of the JL members,,,,,,Good Lord!
That's because they've been infested with politically correct writers, so "woman good, men bad" is in full swing.
When you said the founders left that’s all I needed to know
If you told me 9 years ago they'd follow up the Poison Ivy story by turning her into Groot I would have never believed it😅
I liked the middle schooler ivy. It was one of the best aspects of the game
I would believe it tbh. In the Arkham story she basically died. So they'll be like "no she's a plant so she's coming back" I'm mostly surprised by the evil batman thing, the same Arkham batman who sobbed while under the joker influence for killing a dead joker
One of the few things I liked about this game is the Character Design, all of them looked like they came out of a comic book. Every single member of the Justice League had superb design.
I can’t imagine being a dev and working on a game for 9 years of my life and then this happens… that must be devastating
They must have known this was trash. Ever ytime they showcased the game, they faced backlash.
@@Arkaner3 Very true
in my industry such a spectacular, public failure like would result in firings and no company in the industry wanting to hire anyone associated.
I would imagine massive turnover and devs leaving and being replaced.
Harley Quinn picking up Batman, hauling her over her shoulder and carrying him is completely outrageous
Yea that's the joke, everyone in the squad is like wtf are you doing. She also very clearly struggles and makes it a few steps before dropping him
it was hilarious what u talkin about. The amount of times Batman carried her the same way she was just gettin payback lol
@@wolfinsheepsclothing842i think thats the joke? And also she maybe thinks he killed joker🤷🏽♂️
@@wolfinsheepsclothing842 ?
@user-kl9bi4jt4t quit spamming your oh so witty remark.
WB wanted an online shop with some gameplay attached to it, competent developers left, Sweet Baby Inc. came in. What could go wrong?
This is the second comment mentioning them. Can you please explain? i'm not aware
@@huliniswhoiam Sweet Baby inc. Is basically a company that only exist to make video games more politically correct rather than letting it be what it is. They're all about cramming political messages down gamers' throats and nothing else.
@@huliniswhoiamGoogle them, they are a cancer on the gaming industry right now. They are basically sensitivity consultants and they have their tentacles in almost every recent game that hase been... Lets say devisive.
@@Gameboynitro so that's who they are? Wonder if they had anything to do with Forespoken haha 😅
@@huliniswhoiam what Gameboynitro explained plus: Check their website and the games they worked on/butchered.
The fact that Gotham Knight serves as a better follow up to Arkham than this game 😂💀
That game was ass. You can't compare these 2.
If the start was the burning down of Wayne Manor and not Ra's attack, yeah, I could see that
Really only changes some dialogue, minor plot tweaks and removes the protect Batman's identity side missions
What many often seem to forget is same studio doesn't necessarily mean same staff.
So you are telling me the new staff didn't do their homework 💀
@@Stefiou974
Exactly.👍🏾
But surely they have standards and expectations set in place?
@@chriswyatt9869 Greedy investors : "What are these standards and expectations you speak of?"
yeah. gender and race requirements@@chriswyatt9869
The most stupid part is how most of the squad members only need one bullet to die, or superman dropping a really big rock.
Thank you for addressing the 9 year development. I have left a comment asking where that time went and I have received 0 answers. I don't think that ANYONE knows what it was about this game that took 9 years.
It makes you wonder if they were working on totally different game but were forced to reset progress to pivot and force this game out the sphincter.
They had all the time and funding thanks ta Blackrock & Vanguard.
I believe they were working on something else prior to taking on Suicide Squad (Damien Wayane Batman game was what I remember reading). They took it over from someone else if I’m not mistaken.
Well weren’t they working on like a superman game or something then WB made them pivot sometime in development? Idk how true that is i just remember reading that in passing
Speculation aside, we can say with certainty that they didn't know what they were doing. To my knowledge, they've never made an offline coop game, let alone a full blown online live service game. I'd be deeply surprised if, when they started, a single person in the company had ever done more than glance at netcode.
Batman doesn’t hold back anymore right he kills now. And yet when he catches every single member he lets them live like what???
This is not the same rocksteady
Cause it’s not them
It's a bunch of diversity hires backed by ESG money lol
Unsteady
I hope they go bankruptcy
ESG scores are why this stuff keeps happening. Look it up!
Rocksteady should just put out a statement saying that they decided that its no longer the main world of the Arkham-verse and is just one of the “else-worlds”.
It's too late for that. They had every opportunity to do so pre-launch, but they doubled down every chance they had.
I think you nailed it on the head when you said the problem is that the game takes place in the Arkham universe. Just plain disrespectful to both Conroy and Arkham Batman. Game still isn't good either way, but they could have gotten away with it had they made it a separate universe.
Even though he wrote a lot of the lines? Signed off to be on it? And oh wow didn’t know he was gonna pass so stop using that as an excuse you morbid freak.
Like actually do you think they planned this to have massive pushback from Arkham losers) who all need to bring up someone dying to trash a game? Who are already known to be insane and freak out? You guys are just gross people using someone’s name as a reason to hate it’s disgusting
His argument is all over the place. First, he says cannon doesn't matter but then rips the game for not being cannon
@@alizaidi2893 yea the only actual reply I’ve ever seen on why the game is bad is live service. Which I personally don’t mind but ik it isn’t for everyone. Just old Arkham fans very salty they said it was in the same verse
Batman doing a scarecrow sequence makes no sense he would have stealth snapped all their necks
if the plot made sense there would be no game lmao
If there's one thing I've learned about the internet it's.....don't mess with batman! The fans will tear you apart!
Real talk. One of the best RPG's in years, but Batman gets offed so the entire internet wants to tear the company down and make the streets run with the developers blood. It's insane.
"best RPGs in years" LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOODODIDIDIDODODODODDODODIDIDIDIDIDID@@mitchgodman
When a certain character is fighting another certain character and they are just standing there like 🤡🦈🦘🧍🏿♂️
lolololol fr
We haven’t even had a justice league game yet, no Superman, no green lantern, no Martian manhunter, no Wonder Woman and here we are with deadshot
Yeah no jones fuck it
Most of the actual rocksteady team left and they hired a bunch of seat fillers. That's the biggest problem