Jordan Peterson ~ The Relation Between Intelligence & Music
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- Jordan Peterson ~ The Relation Between Intelligence & Music
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normal people : oh look goosebumps
jordan peterson : oh look piloerrection
ME: oh look, 2 r's in erection!
Oh look a Kolonapin
That's what I get when I snuggle up to my Waifu pillow
@LA Muse But not ducks. Ducks are knee deep in this shit.
@LA Muse But not ducks. Ducks are knee deep in this shit.
I can listen to this man all day
I am listening to this man all day.
Ye thats what im doing
U poor thing
Go clean your room
I do.
How do I keep getting clickbaited by JP shorts where he mentions the title words for 4 seconds
Don't watch shorts man, it's a waste of time.
Jajajaja, same here .
Same
same lol
Every time
He tried to crack a joke about his lectures being a collection of loosely connected ideas and no one seemed to have laughed lol
Though I think it was more about making the point that he is being open-minded.
@@connornguyen7803 That was my immediate take and if his audience saw it the same way it may have made them uncomfortable with what appears to be a rather self-congratulatory remark. I got the impression it was, at least slightly tongue-in-cheek.
They failed to make the connection
@@connornguyen7803 agreed ,not being chained to a certain set of ideas
I did haha
This video has less to do with music and intelligence and has more to do with the association between openness and IQ.
That’s because whoever uploaded and titled the video has low IQ.
@@BadMannerKorea they also must be deaf 50 years olds and listened to the dumbest hardrock and find thier lyrics awsum
True
@@BadMannerKorea I wonder why I made that assumtion..2 months later about the uploader only because I dont like "hardrockers" -I had a playlist before" why i dont lke hardrock " and there were a video -> with Butthole surfers ... I guess i cant stop not loving not to love hardrockers even now
@@jari2018 So..... you like hardrockers then?? You said you can not stop with not loving not to love hardrockers... :P
The title is misleading
You're right. His comments are about the relationship between *openness* and music. But he also said intelligence and openness are commonly linked. So... 85% click bait? :)
@@virus2003 eh, well honestly the man is pretty precise in his speech. So if he would've mentioned that specific relationship, he'd have done it much more directly, at least as far as I know him. The other thing's that, from the video, openness is more of an unrestricted broadness of the scope of any given idea (that tends to change probably according to the individuals ability to form associations on the spot, and or any other associations that are premade and are merely retrieved. But that's not a part of the video, just something I thought of that might interest you or anyone else reading. Maybe that's the link, I wouldn't know). Even though music can invoke an awe, that is, interest it could also be the case that it isn't from the music per se, it's from an idea associated to it. I mean who's to say which is which, maybe even both. This was rather pleasant. Thanks for the comment; it made me think more deeply and consider watching the entire lecture.
Wow the person didn't even link the lecture
@@mohannadali9662 Here is a link to the full lecture. (This clip is from around min 43) ua-cam.com/video/Om0YPe8c66Y/v-deo.html Enjoy!
@@virus2003 oh thanks a bunch!!
I feel totally ripped off by ALL of my college psychology professors!
McCall G. It’s honestly ridiculous how we have free access to these graduate level lectures
Don't. People like him are very, very rare. That's life in a nutshell. Be grateful that you get to watch him, that's a good silver lining.
@@mohannadali9662 That's a fair point. On the flip side though, rare people should have bigger platforms, don't you think? I say this because I think I'm the same way. I've figured out things Peterson hasn't, or at least have some theories. I think it's a shame when rare people go to waste, or when people who would benefit from rare people can't because of X, Y, Z. It might be life, but we're free to change whatever we want, but only if we actually want to.
@@cbalan777 do you think you're rare?
C. B. Alan earn your platform. Peterson did it by posting his lectures online.
I hope Jordan gets well and begins giving talks and interviews again. We need him.
@Nur His wife is really sick, cancer if i remember well, so he take pills for anxiety and then he put himself in rehab, i think he's gonna be ok.
@@OsvaldoBayerista
There is also the issue that Jordan Peterson is a very agreeable person, and agreeable people usually dislike conflicts and feel uncomfortable when they get into arguments with other people - and Jordan Peterson has had a lot of arguments with overreacting radical leftists over the years who have accused him of being a transphobe and a nazi and all kinds of far-right crap just because he hasn't fully agreed with them about absolutely everything - so that has put him under a lot of stress as well.
We can only hope that he recovers and disappears, a UN-pimping pseudointellectual polylogist elitist Ashkenazi targeted gatekeeper/social engineer/CSIS op.
Shame about the wife though, nobody deserves that.
@@alsacrime4806 Hey, look here, one of the overreacting accusers.
Yes
I've got to admit, that I've seen some art that has erected a response.
hentai?
@@davidjohn6724 lmao
Fckn gold man 🤣😂
Take my like and leave
Loool
Wrong use of comma
Listening to Jordan Peterson gives me piloerections
stay focused on the video
on what hes saying
I have difficulty getting piloerrections
@@Gynecologist try piloviagra, it works wonder for me. now while i listen to mahler i look like a hairbrush.
How many subbed to spite your username lol
Jordan Peterson’s favorite song is Rock Lobster
That's awesome
No it's darude - sandstorm
🗿🦞
“I was at the beach. Everyone had matching serotonin levels!” 🎵🎶
@@edwarddodge7937 I was just about to make a similar joke using the same lyric. Clearly we’re both cool 😜
"Like my lectures for example" I see what you did there
Lol!!
Mr Shikadance Nope. He wants to drill into the listeners head that Jordan Peterson = intelligence, and if you disagree with him, you’re disagreeing with intelligence. He’s not genuine at all.
@Mr Shikadance i think he identifies more as an intelligent
@@marrimaroada8111 Yes, but with a sense of humour - self-deprecating humour at that. I'm not a fan of Peterson, who usually seems very tense, but I enjoyed his little dig at himself.
Music can also activate intelligence. Neuroscience has shown that especially Bach's music, unlike contemporary music, reacts with all areas of the brain. Due to it's complex counterpoint and fugal structures it basically works like multitasking muscle training because the brain has to identify several independent voices simultaneously instead of just one, simple, repetetive, accompanied melody.
I usually feel this piloerection whenever I listen to particularily good music. Something about it is just as massive dopamine release for me and I feel tingly everywhere
For me it’s any music that involves group singing, oddly enough. Now that I think about it maybe that’s an indicator of some sort of social anxiety, to get a fear reaction when you hear the group enter.
@Johnny Boone It's a subjective experience. You can have goosebumps listening to a pop song just as much.
@Johnny Boone thanks!
Airbag : Radiohead
For me it's listening to "Live and Learn", which played during the final boss of Sonic Adventure 2.
When someone gets down and dances their heart out to a good beat it makes me want to get up and dance too.
Friendly Neighborhood Spiderman energy
No kiddin
Always fascinating to hear Mr Peterson speaking. But as a musician, I was looking forward to hearing what his take is on the effect that music has on the brain and its development, be it learning to play or simply appreciating good music (entirely subjective). I don't feel like I've lost four minutes and forty two seconds of what's left of my life but I have to wonder about who it is that decides how videos here are titled.
Entirely subjective, listening to L Zeppelin " Stairway to Heaven" or Hans Zimmer musical score to the song " Danny Boy" to Clapton's " Can't find my way home, or Badge", it's chills, awe, nostalgia with all the bells and whistles. Knowing that the musicians behind it might prefer thier personal favorite a song I thought Ok. It's totally subjective.
I know my dog loves my music, she likes anything. There is a few small studies on effects of music on animals. MRIs see some effect, nothing solid at all, but when a dog sees it's master, the MRI lights always light up. Music to thier ears? Just saying...
@@terryblanchard5842 You haven't paid much attention to this subject if your only takeaway is "it's totally subjective"
I'm more interested in his takes on different musical genres. Like sure I can appreciate Led Zep but recently I'm more struck by black metal music and how music can evoke sorrow and depression, not just happy and uplifting feelings. I wonder if it's the same type of psychological explanation or maybe metal fans are more prone to depression than non-metal fans, idk.
@@hazardousjazzgasm129 It’s both objective and subjective like all art
@@Ace-dv5ce Go on
i need to stop playing videos and immediately scrolling to the comments
“•39 seconds ago” got me there
I remember being in high school when I got Björk's live box compilation. I listened to it on head phones and it brought me to tears without any sadness. I remember being so perplexed at the time
Genius.
I hate her often loud screams.
Bjork is a creative genius
@@oppothumbs1it’s not screams lol she has a very wide vocal range
He's a brilliant lecturer.
My cat get's philoerections from ASMR while purring with the right physical rhythmic petting. He also get's excited listening to music sometimes scratching the carpet and running playfully with a puffed up tail. He's very vocal, expressive, intimate, and intelligent.
Woahhh "Intimate"?????
@@BadmonRu yes 😏
@@BadmonRu 😳
@@BadmonRu in·ti·mate1
/ˈin(t)əmət/
adjective
1.
closely acquainted; familiar, close.
"intimate friends"
noun
a very close friend.
@@BadmonRu It is a sign of his intelligence and the reason he is my best friend.
There is actually a connection between the title and video..It’s just subtle.
But I'd have to write a whole paper to show the connection. Why can't the title be "JP talks about openness and IQ"
Sometimes less says more. Writing a whole paper to make a simple connection would be silly 😜
This intelligent lecture is music to my ears.
I honestly believe that with some music and thoughts that cause those whole body goosebumps have meaning
This dude is 1000% smarter than me I have no idea what those words mean!
Five basic senses and four doors of the mind, which everyone moves through according to their need.
What are those four doors of the mind?
@@jabibgalt5551 it's a quote from "the name of the wind"
@@jabibgalt5551 you should read that book
The Doors were very good
@@SeanJL Thank you! If you know, what are those four doors that the author refers to?
“My >120 IQ gives me goosebumps when I listen to Bruce Springsteen”
Whatever floats your boat
My >130 IQ finds Bruce Springsteen boring, soulless and formulaic.
John Randall Fuck if only If I put the son in Peterson I could have a 150IQ and transcend Beethoven
I want to puncture my ear drums when I hear Bruce Springsteen
Listen to The Jesus Lizard and see what happens
He just spent almost 5 minutes talking about Snarky Puppy - Lingus
I felt that too
thank you.
I was thinking iQ:
ua-cam.com/play/PLhuvEQzJRGB5wfJ2Jdy9c2RHR21ns6RVi.html
Snarky Puppy's cool too. 👍
I was not expecting to see this here at all. Thanks bro, gonna watch it again. And every other Snarky Puppy video...
Lmao trueee! Omg I adore that song
what i find most interesting about intelligence related to music is the knowledge factor itself. So you may be intelligent but never learned to play anything due to a variety of reasons. When or if you learn to play later it is usually through someone teaching you. But what they teach you and how they teach you directly influences your ears and brain later. So music you used to like a lot may sound not as good to you later after some time spent learning to play due to this. This amazes me and to the point that I have gone out of my way to learn to play without anyone teaching me at young age of 47 just to kind of prove this to myself. Now I have picked up some knowledge along the way that I wanted to tighten up some of my own music making attempts so nothing wrong with that for each individual. But I don't think people realize this. I attempted to learn to play in the later 90's and didn't get very far with it at all but I did notice then that I was already not liking some of the music that I had otherwise loved before that point. I didn't like this as that music meant more to me than that and it caught me off guard a little. So when i moved on with my career as a technician i put the guitar down and gave up on it at that time as I didn't feel like I was getting anywhere with it anyway. Within a very short period of time that feeling about some of my favorite music not being as good as I thought went away and I found myself enjoying it again. This blows me away still that I would change my opinion on music by trying to learn to play it lol. But it's true. So I went a totally different route this time and when I picked the guitar back up a couple years ago I immediately just starting writing my own music and trying to put together some songs (have recorded about 35 of em since). I have had no instruction from anyone other than a couple tidbits from people i picked their brain on here and there. This time I find I still love all the same music that I used to without change. Now I don't know if I am very intelligent or average or below average / i repaired motorcycles for 23 years that most people didn't know how to and that's why they brought em to me but every one of em was its own process of troubleshooting and figuring it out so maybe I am at least average there. Point being though and this is why I thought I would mention this / I am not sure if there is not a difference in intelligence and knowledge at a high level. I have jokingly stated that I don't want to learn anymore about the technicalities of music or theory because I want to keep being able to write / try that one on and see it makes sense to ya / lol / it may not but I found this very intriguing and am still kind of in awe of it myself. Not saying everything I have written or composed since is great but there was so much freedom to not knowing theory and writing that way that it felt like I managed to write a lot easier. Now I have picked up more knowledge since by default as I have done this every day pretty much for almost 2 years now and suddenly my song writing has slowed down and can at times be a little more stressful due to that as I am getting pickier than before / keep in mind I still like all the songs I wrote before this just as much / WOW is all I can say the more I think about that. It tells me our ears train the brain which turns around and influences our taste in things a lot more than I ever realized before.
I would love to discuss this with someone who has studied the brain and could analyze the information I am giving them here to things they know about the brain. I know I get a lot better reactions out of some of the music I have put out there from people who don't play music than the one's that do / especially the one's who have done it their whole lives so to speak. And I am my own worst critic like a lot of people so I don't think I am just a homer to my own music / i think there really is something to this because I still got ears and I hear what's on the radio and youtube and whatnot / some i like some i don't same as always has been so my ears work ok and a lot of the bands and musicians I like otherwise are the same as other people like too / or at least enough people liked em' they made careers out of it so I am very interested in why / most other things in life like sports for example, I found I liked em' more the more I learned about em' but not music for some reason. And I wonder what is different about it that makes that different for me individually.
Hey man link the original video. So we can see the whole thing.
Bumping this for visibility. I'm appalled when people don't link to source material.
I'm normally introverted but I think that's just due to my life from then to now. I'm in the rebuilding phase and I'm extremely desirable when it comes to things that would be extroverted.
Me too, good luck for you!
Introverted just means your social energy drains when you're around people and extroverted just means you GAIN energy from being around people. Many introverts are social and extroverts aren't necessarily ALWAYS surrounded by people. Also, you are either introverted or extroverted, you can't change that but again, neither means that you are or aren't social.
Multiple times a day I get goosebumps from music or something else
Huh. So I guess the one main thing I've learnt from this (that stuck out to me anyway) is the fact that this piloerection phenomenon isn't universal. Never would've guessed; I never thought such an experience was dependent on anything, other than being human.
I always thought it would be happening in different situations(a person that is well-educated in Music will get off (u know cuz of erection haha) to a nice moment In music while a artist might get off to a painting or sth. But I always was sure everyone experienced it on a regular basis. I have a few Titles that always get my hair standing, and make me motivated when I am in a bad Place. Jesus i want everyone to experience that feeling, it's awesome!
Its just about what the individual does with the information travelling to the brain via: touch, sight, hearing, smell or taste to help understand and perceive the world around him. Everybody has at least one good traight
@@nicholasgoldsworthy4719 Debatable.
@@alex-jf4di People who are highly industrious and low in openness are the kinds of people who think art is a waste of time as it serves no real practical purpose. They can't key into aesthetics, or ideas the way a creative person would, so they probably rarely ever feel anything that powerful towards a piece of art. Especially when you get into anything abstract or non-representational.
Me too, I find it almost unbelievable, it happened so much times in my life I can't even count them
He says that getting goose bumps from art is a sign of intelligence, then asks how many of his pupils have experienced goose bumps whilst experiencing art, what does he think the response is going to be ?
Yep, when everyone starts raising their hands, yours soon to follow
He says that goose bumps are a sign of openness, wich he explained some minutes ago is not connected to intelligence, but they often go hand in hand. Meaning you can feel nothing from watching art and still have an extraordinary IQ...
He can't know? That's why he asked?
@@DundG i doubt it
@@iwantlee9510 that openness is not correlated to IQ?
This, Alice... is why a raven is like a writing desk!! Eureka!
I know what art sounds like and Jordan is most definitely an artist at his craft
I can listen to a lot of melodic "dance" music and I'll get goosebumps all over especially if it's a song I'm familiar with and enjoy.
Don't have that feeling with most pop music regardless of genre.
I like to listen to him so I don't have to listen to myself all day
I listen this while cleaning my room
Bro when I listen to a good piece of classical music, I sometimes feel my brain! It feels like the thing under my skull is extremely stimulated.
Thank you 🙏 Jordan Peterson
This gave me tremendous amount of validation.
Thanks.
same
Same but I still feel stupid from time to time. Even as all these nails hit the right spot
Jordan just explained the ASMR effect.
I don't get goose bumps from listening to music, but I do listening to a BRM V16. Music sometimes sends me into a trance though.
Always interesting.
I actually gave a 'mini lecture' if you will about these 'piloerections' in my psychology class, here we call it 'Frison'. At the end I played one of my favorite piano pieces (un sospiro by Frans Liszt) which always gave me a physical arousal while listening. I was surprised by the fact that not a single student felt the same arousal that I did, not even in a slighter degree.
Try Joe Parrish playing Stravinsky’s 1903 Rite of Spring on electric guitar. It is still on YT.
1) maybe because you played like shit, amateur renditions (and even professional pianists with wack interpretations) should just be played privately and not to the public
2) I love classical music and have played piano for 17 years (could have easily majored in it at a conservatory), and some pieces do nothing for me
So this is going to be fun. I hope Jordan reads this one day.... I started to read Jung and we're basically the same person. But reckon this instead with music
You begin to inhabit the music and learn how to let it transition through you. You can enter into music and prayer and it becomes you. The world around you changes and you see a kind of shine. Your mind pieces together various artwork in real life and creates scenes in the real world quite like paintings. You have reached the next level. You are empathic and can look into people. Now you can trigger archetypes with music and narratives and an aesthetically tangible state where you can feel a flow state and almost feel the music pass through you. Almost like a congruency with the world around you and the narrative. Even the universe you can choose to be in union with and it can make you function consciously and collectively. You can harness the power of the collective unconscious and embody public opinion. You can sing in ways that most people simply can't, almost like superhuman and with super human speed. You can enter into transcendent states of mind and you can imagine things deeply where you almost leave your surrounding world with your mind. Almost like walking into a dream.
Hey yo, Jordan. wanna help a brother out?
You're on the wrong comment section brother
I totaly get that about the loosely connected ascociations. People struggle to keep up with my trains of thought sometimes because I seem to jump from one thing to another when I'm running through an idea. How to Apply the principles of or sourcing materials and in describing for clarification purposes the connections between my thoughts. When or if I get into it people often just look at me as if I'm weird. But I persist when I see a way to do. It troubles me that so many just stumble around faking confidence and then placing ther trust in that bubble, the lie that they've fed and nurtured for themselves. Only trust based in that which is true, confirms itself which then can be manifest as righteous confidence. All other bubbles are burst causing their inhabitants to tumble back to the beginning to start again where they are again enabled to acknowledge the truths that they ignored or overlooked. Comfort and traditions do blind and bind up a person though.
This is exactly what I was wondering about.
A lot of people are not understanding what he's trying to say because they wish that what he says speaks more so about themselves rather than others.
We all wish to be special, unique and anything that sets us apart from others we lap up.
I believe what he's trying to say that experiencing a form of art can potentially instil and transcend someone into another domain of creativity. This differs on the person and how inspired they are and what they're trying to achieve.
The openness is linked with how restrained the walls are around your brain, if you automatically reject ideas from source A or source B because it's preconditioned (for example if you follow a certain religion and only draw your creativity from that religion and reject anything that's not associated with it, this would be telling of your openness).
Of course you also need to be able to comprehend the higher creativity echelons to contribute to it.
To sum up, if I'm inspired by one story and comprehend it well because I'm intelligent enough to do so and push it further than it's original form;
This is worse than being inspired by multiple stories and being intelligent enough to comprehend them, It's better to be inspired by the many and not the one.
For how complex is the human and how intelligent must a person be to summarise it simply.
'He' didn't make the title, 'You,' are an idiot.
@@cluelessbeekeeping1322 What are you talking about? I'm referring to what's being said in the video, when did I ever mention anything about the title?
If Jordan Peterson was my life coach, maybe I could channel the high IQ I've been blessed with into a more meaningful contribution to society. He's so intelligent and inspirational, makes one think that anything is possible.
Why not try using that high IQ to life coach yourself using the public ideas of J.P as your basis?
“Tell me you watch Rick And Mortal without telling me you watch Rick And Morty”
What is your Iq bro?
In The Horse Whisperer movie, (Robert Redford, Scarlett Johansen), the aerial view of farmland accompanied by the sound of channel surfing an old AM frequency radio gives way to the indescribable view of the mountainous Wyoming/Montana expanse & is accompanied by a soundtrack that merges with the view. (Thank you, composer Mark Isham).
Sometimes, the eye & ear candy merge is so strong you weep.
I'm an introvert, but I've experienced multiple piloerections when the eyes, ears, & soul converge.
Thank you, JP!
He is so brilliant, so many ideas in a lecture
When he jokes, you must watch the replay so that you can laugh the other day.
"To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Music."
you mean "classical music" which is cerebral, as opposed to dance music which is physical.
@@dreamdiction Probably any well developed music. For example you can take 2020 dance pop music and in general it will not require much intelligence to get it. But take some traditional african or afro-brazilian polyrithmic dance music and its complexity is on another level. It probably does require high intelligence, both for the dancer and also the musicians. Also on music from traditional india you have very complex dance music.
Any bodily expression has both physical and cerebral aspects, and music is also a bodily expression in a way, i guess it depends on the depth of it. Anyway, this is my oponion.
@@diegoperezsommariva2509 All the music you mention is physically rhythmic, classical music is purely cerebral.
@@dreamdiction any music is physically rythmic. Some less than other though. If not there couldnt be a director waving its baton to lead. You can attempt to dance any piece of music. And people have done it. There are dances of classical pieces. Any musical piece when expessed becomes physical and can be interpreted with the body. A very cerebral piece can be danced to. There are some very "cerebral" ballet pieces that are fully expressed in dance.
@@dreamdiction nope.... It's kinda complicated..... It's not physical (grooves and the required tempo) works that magic
Openness is easy , when the truth is being said to ears that are prepared to listen.
Thank you 🙏 The Best
Where does he speak about intelligence and music in this clip plse? Apart from being moved by contemplating any form of art one might like?
he doesn't. the individual that posted this is projecting. interesting lecture. id say the person wishes they were a better musician and also that they were more intelligent. typically these type of people don't project like this so he's an odd one probably low iq and not a musician.
I guess 2:29 - 3:06 is the part he's referring to.
He really doesn’t, it’s a stretch
@@ChopChic1 i think "creatives" are capable of both.
The titles of Peterson clips very rarely have any connection with the actual content....
I’m one of the few creative musical people that breaks the trend of intellectuals :)
Ur not very smart?
@@nonebelievingbeliever3753 I personally wouldn’t put my self into the ranks of the “intellectual.” Just an average man. But I do have very good creative abilities when it comes to music. To be honest I’m not sure how you would define an intellect. To me it seems a little subjective.
That was really interesting. Thank you :)
I don't get 'piloerections' while listening to music. I get ecstasy and tears. Painting makes my heart go faster.
I am not saying this in inaccurate... but saying that everyone who gets goosebumps from music have an IQ of at least 120 is wrong
It is unfortunate to see someone hearing but not truly listening.
@@martinstrnad4517 i have add, tell me what i missed
@@gregtheflyingwhale6480 He said it’s very rare for people to make a major contribution to a creative sphere without an IQ over 120. Goosebumps were only mentioned as being more likely with higher openness. You’re extrapolating too much from what he actually said.
How many musicians like me wanted to know Jordan's perspective on our intellect?
Me!
@@yinyangjpy6749 me too!
Me neither
Remembering things is about the rhythm of sequence . Music helps. I hope I got this right.
Great video Jordan👍👍
I bet he listens to Autechre all day
Incunabula for the win!
This guy always posts vids with misleading titles
Loved this again, JP I don't always agree with you but you are impressive
@Johnny G Brenner I've just observed this, but many people seem to not like Jordan's view on intelligence. He assigns a number, like 130 IQ point, and proceeds to explain that that's how high your iq should be to be this or that, and I don't disagree but this seems to aggravate many people.
@Johnny G Brenner I think it also has something to do with fragile egos. They don't want to think there's something inherently, genetically inferior about them anymore than they want the idea someone to be genetically superior to them. Jordan Peterson said it himself, hardwork makes a difference, and also not to compare yourself to others. Clearly some people has not been listening.
So interesting pyloerrection wow music always makes my hair stand up and gives me chills
My I.Q. rises everytime I listen to G.G. Allin.
IQ doesn’t rise like that, I get it, you’re joking, but it’s a bad joke.
@@BadMannerKorea you're worse at getting jokes than he is at making jokes
@@homohorrorincomprehensibilis I stated it was a joke. I don’t have to like the joke in order to get it, nor am I obligated to like it. It’s a bad joke, sorry.
@@BadMannerKorea I agree that there was a mistake of communication on my end, but you went way out of your way into being a dick about it
ADHD sure makes me open.
Damn.. thats it
@@Shadow77999 lmfao
I love what says in this clip🥰❤
Thank you
Well, it depends on how you define music.
@regalblue41 That's just close-mindedness though. I know a lot of people like to say 'I listen to everything', but they really don't. Personally, I don't listen to everything. I listen to hard rock/heavy metal music literally 99% of the time, but I have no problem appreciating any other form of music, even shitty soulless commercial pop music.
Play some heavy metal to any 'normie' and they instantly close themselves off to it, to even giving themselves a chance to understand or even appreciate it.
One persons’ wall of sound may be another’s wall of noise.
“Open people” are also fucked when it comes to taking in the state of the world. There are plenty of pros, but he could go on just as long about the cons....
Being high in openness in a world full of narrow-minded, closed-up people is definitely stressful ...
Well, toughen up then
Openness correlates with success. No excuses.
@@laaaliiiluuu Being bothered by close-minded people somewhat disqualifies you from being open-minded yourself. Theres nothing easier than surrounding yourself with other open-minded or introverted/extroverted people, because its extremely practical and therefor visible. Its not that easy with intelligence or neuroticism, they are far more sublte traits.
@@instinct94 Not exactly. There are many other things that can affect a person high in trait openness and higher than average intelligence’s success. A horrifically abusive childhood that leaves them depressed-often severely-for 15 years and counting, for example. “Well that’s oddly specific” you might be thinking to yourself right about now. That’s because it’s a personal anecdote. So no, it’s not as simple as you think, bucko.
Clean your room, yes absolutely, but what about when you have a broken broom, no hand towels or cleaning detergents, and you’re too depressed to get out of bed and too weak to do anything because you have little to no appetite and most of the time the only food you eat is because you muster the strength to force yourself to chew and swallow something because if you don’t you know you’ll die but you want to die anyway and it’s practically basic instinct that’s keeping yourself from withering away into nothing, hmm? No excuses? I think the fuck not.
Darn, I wanted to see the rest of that, where can I find it?
This is useful.
the IQ industry is sure winning thanks to the likes of him ...
IQ industry ? What industry ?
@@nephastgweiz1022 it's as said, he's making publicity as to IQ is the best...IQ is whatever ... all what he does is further marketing that absurd construct that is manipulating generations of humains ...
@@zorcnecro6910 So there is no industry. You sound like you took an IQ test, scored a low IQ and now you're salty.
@@nephastgweiz1022 of course not, I'm a morrocan XD there is no IQ tests performed in here !!! you see there is no way for me to be salty about something like that
and it is a sort of industry, psychologist are making a lot of money through that ridiculous shit! complexifying the intelligence talk and making that multiple intelligences just to please everybody and make the IQ a more established concept
There is a mathematical relation between each of the notes of the major scale making music auditory math. This also means that the major scale is the same throughout the universe just as the Pythagorean principle is true throughout the universe.
What about the minor scale
Is there anyway to hear the while lecture? Was particularly interested on what was on the whiteboard and where he was going before it was cut... i.e. some related comment on extraversion
check out his channel... he has all his lectures on there. each of them are quite long, though.... about 2-3 hours each
I´d like to see it too. Can anybody link it? I can´t find it
Nevermind, here it is : ua-cam.com/video/Om0YPe8c66Y/v-deo.html
@@renzo3939 thanks a lot Renzo, very pleasantly surprised. This talk will accompany the tidying up of my room. Good deed :)
@@sebseb8643 no problem man, happy to help
I learnt something new about myself. Nothing more pleasurable:)
Intellect and intelligence are different things, Jordan refers to intelligence as logic
Not in this instance, he's referring to the aspect of intellect of the trait openness to experience interms of his and Collin De Youngs description that they've adapted from the revised NEO Big Five Personality Inventory.
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@@mpcc2022 Well, that changes everything. /s
@@hamiltonmays4256 It will if you're aware of the relationship between Intellect and Verbal intelligence. Instead, intellect is a component of verbal Intelligence rather than being something different having it's own "logic".
Jordan talks a lot about IQ tests. It would be interesting to know what percentage of those with extremely high IQs (say, at least 180) have actually made mind-blowing innovations or produced artistic masterpieces. (In the case of many historic figures, I gather that their "high IQs" is speculative, or remains a reasonable guess, based on their achievements.) Has the person with the highest recorded IQ done any of the above? I have no doubt that such tests measure a certain layer of intelligence, maybe functional intelligence, but they don't measure the visionary level, which a true genius accesses.
In my view, a genius is, essentially, an extremely creative person (no, not merely extremely intelligent), and what he/she creates or makes has not been done before. Or the creator (as seer) sees what hasn't been seen before. In the highest instances, the genius' contribution winds up elevating our collective consciousness. Extremely intelligent people don't necessarily fall in this category, because what they do, while interesting, even fascinating, is still not all that original or innovative. That's why even the majority of great intellectuals are not geniuses. So to reiterate my question: what percentage of those with extremely high IQs are innovative or great artists?
Fascinating comment. Using Hawkins' calibration technique, the answer seems to be 13%. Meaning, 13% of people above 180 IQ are geniuses according to this definition.
Genius, again, according to the above definition, seems to be a function of level of consciousness, which we could also call "psycho-emotional development" of sorts.
Sometimes the expression "creative genious" is used, which in itself suggest that you can score very high on an IQ test without being very creative and vice versa. But a systematic review I read suggested that among the very creative, twice as many, compared to the general population, have an IQ above 120.
There was a study in a book called outliers which tracked children with the highest IQ scores in america and found that most if them turned out to just be average people
I agree with you, I don't think you need a hight iq to create something great. Creativity and the process has nothing to do with neurology imo, ur brain is inclined for it because of neurotransmitters that work uniquely not functionally. High IQ ppl seem to have every aspect of their brain working extremely well with no defects...leaves no room for abstract thought processes. Also iq tests logic and reasoning not abstract thinking or how well you can emote and drag from the subconscious.
He’s not saying that all people with a high IQ are creative, and the higher the IQ the more groundbreaking the creative output. He’s saying there’s a strong correlation between openness/creativity and high IQ.
Kinda like if all Brazilian people have black hair, that doesn’t mean all people with black hair are Brazilian.
does anybody have a good book recommendation based on this topic?
The ball of steel
"It's very rare for people to make any major contribution to a creative sphere unless they have an IQ of over 120."
Actually, it's very rare for people to make any major contribution to a creative sphere simply because most people will not have the opportunity to do so.
Socio-economic status, race, geography and an abundance of considerations are factors that will prevent most of the people in the world from making any major contributions.
Every person has something major to contribute.
That is a great statement!
You have a poor understanding of the word "major."
I’m very intelligent. I’m just not smart enough to know it.
Touché
You know what gives me goosebumps like that? Knowledge, and even as i absolutely love it it does necessarily mean it wont have a negative effect on me. You can learn something but will never know how you will react to it at any given time because you are human. This goes back to 56 headed snake lecture Mr. Peterson made, where in some cases this openness leads to a way to confirm ones own unhealthy pathology making an even better monster. But for every 10 of them theres one of me. All ill say is thay its not fair for them.
Careful, friend. You’re veering awfully close to _In this moment, I am euphoric_ territory.
Well for me peacefull sounds I.e
Sound near the seashore,rain,even air or artificial sound(music)(environment)they works like a coolant its absolute while thinking brain will be in heavy loud so music etc helps to reduce this stress
PULL THIS VIDEO and RELABEL IT !!! Do EVERYONE a favor since the title is clearly an editorial slip-up and does not describe the content.
Jordan Peterson ~ The "NON" Relation Between a Title & a Video. WARNING: DO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME.
Though title is misleading I don't feel like I've wasted time but that's thanks to Peterson.
I thought that hair standing up at the back of your neck was pretty common. This gave me a new perspective.
It is
I find that I sometimes ramble and jump from idea to idea because they're related in my mind but sometimes fail to realize I've made jumps without vocalizing it in conversation and I lose people. Guess there's an explanation for it
I also do that if I'm not careful. It's important to explain those leaps to the folks that you're talking to.
I don't know about this, because I have met some very creative musicians who are dumber than a box of rocks and have zero common sense. Sorry, but it is true. In fact, musicians are some of the most non-open, closed minded people I've ever worked with.
so not worked much ?
@@barrycoad2080 Don't understand your comment.
Interesting
I think this is why people call me a narcissist, They say things to me and they can’t understand that I have an entire book in my head for each and every thing that you can possibly say to me
No, people call you a narcissist because you probably share that story all the time. You can be smart and not narcissistic.
Wow
There was an SNL Taxi Driving recurring part called Old Two Eyes. The Guy would talk about Music and it's purported that he came up with the entire Idea to get gainfully employed, so I gave to now admit that he's real Smart
Glad to learn that I'm not an idiot for loving sounds and all kinds of quality music! ✌
p.s. I suspect that the good heart of Mr. Peterson has recently learned to be wary of low IQ individuals... 😉
Same, as a black guy who picked up the guitar after being into alternative/rock whilst also being into Rap, Hip-Hop, Reggae, Electronic music, and is now into Math Rock, Progressive Metal/Djent, and is fond of music in general I can relate.
On the other hand, i just learned that i might be partially braindead.
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😂 Shush! I am, my post was just a façade...
@@mathrockmaniac7643 holy shit bro
Key takeaway:
Jordan Peterson: “My stepson, just get a 120 IQ.”
Me: “Aight, say less. 😓”
If Jordan Peterson was in Hip Hop, he would be a Grandmaster having the propensity for all forms encompassed. He is a MC for the young men without fathers and the daughters with no guiding force.
What the hell you just say?
@@willscarlett5859, A Grandmaster having the propensity for all forms encompassed. What are you blind?
Where can I find this full lecture?
Watching Jordan Peterson videos often gives me a massive piloerection.
There, I said it.