You're right, Eugene. We should have worded that a bit differently. The front brake offers the most stopping power on any road, paved or not, as long as the bike is moving forward. Of course... there isn't any weight transfer until the front brake is applied, but our point is that the front brake offers considerably more stopping power than the rear brake and riders should use it whenever possible.
@@MOTOTREK "upright under gyroscopic forces" and moving forward, of course - Hahahahahahahahahaha!! I'd also be showing fingers permanently wrapped over the brake lever, not - coming off throttle then onto brake lever... Assume you'll cover the change in bike dimensions, using front break, in further videos, or perhaps reference previous videos if covered previously...
@@MOTOTREK Sorry for being nitpicky here. Weight transfer to the front will happen not just with the application of the front brake, but also with the rear, and rolling off the throttle.
I feared and hated dirt like sand and wind . I didn't enjoy riding as much as I had hoped . your videos changed that and now I am exited to go off road and to develop my skills . thank you so very much !
Yep, I took an off-road riding course and front wheel braking was one of the first lessons taught. Spend some time learning where the threshold is that your front brake locks in a safe and controlled environment and you'll have much more confidence and control later when you need it.
I miss Bret, but I like Bearded Bret more than I thought I would. Nice job, great on-camera delivery! Also, way to go finding an instructor named Dusty to do a video on dry summer fire roads. That was probably harder than we think. PS - do ANY of you guys wear normal hats? ;)
@@tahoehiker I'm thinking Brett sold the Mototrek channel. About the same time as this change, another channel, "Mototrek Adventures" (had to) change its name (to Ride On Amigos). That UA-camr Carlos, didn't share details, only that he bowed out. Out of respect for Brett, he didn't want to get in a fight over the name. My guess is they had to clear any claim to the name before the sale. Conjecture, but it adds up, especially with Brett starting a new channel.
@@norsefalconer Bret has actually had his channel for some time but didn't publish to it regularly. He also touched on the separation some time ago - MotoTrek from what I understand is a separate entity and he simply did work with them and for one reason or another, the collective whole decided not to work together any longer.
Thanks, Dusty. Convinced myself a while ago that ‘the front brake is my friend’ off road...it fundamentally changed my level of confidence. I’ll be practicing my body position, as you really cover that well for all modes and manoeuvres on the dirt. Thanks for what you do....no drops off road last 2 years! Touch wood and everything else....
This is a perfectly good video, practical and aesthetic. Nice touches throughout with solid advice. Some guys who don't make demo videos about much of anything think they are great critics though. Disregard them.
Thanks, Dusty, for an awesome explanation. I can speak 1st hand, because he trained my man & me. We went through different types of braking off-road, practiced it a ton, and this sequence of front braking really works!!!!!
Great information on front braking! Thx! Another tip is to practice emergency braking, techniques and stages of braking, front and rear braking, initial braking front tire loading, obstacle avoidance, situational awareness and exit points and so on. Become an effective brake'r in general, then incorporate off-road specific approaches such as this. How to stop in the shortest distance with the most control is the key, so get out and hit those brakes hard, over and over again, in controlled environments on and off road. 😉👍
Chicken or the egg. The reason for stopping power being more on the front brake is not because there are two disks, there are two disks there because the front brake is most effective since weight transfers to the front wheel during braking.
Superb vid. Much needed. So many time’s I hear on slopes and off road. DONT touch the front brake. N I wonder how else will the bike stop ? Glare at it ? 😂
I've heard so many "good advices" about riding motorcycle in general... good intentions but bad results :) There are so many of them which you can check on your own (probably all low-speed ones). I still feel a bit like riding bicycle - where you grounded so many times that you can't even count but you weren't afraid of trying to brake on sand, tarmac with sand, mud... - you got few bruises but a lot of skills! After being sure that I can use front brake (because it worked for me really nice) I took offroad course in "Akademia Enduro" (dedicated to GS 1200 and other buffalo size bikes) where they confirmed some of things I trained on my own. I like their excercises with ABS front wheel disabled - keep power on, brake until front is blocked and drag as far as you can, feel the traction, how it's lost, how you feel it with your body and manage to release the brake before you fall. THX Mototrek for your channel!
What happened to Bret don’t get me wrong I really like Dusty but I was curious on what happened to Brent?did I miss that video?great job Dusty on the video my weakness is that front break in the gravel but you give the right tools to try. Thank you
Yeah, with a 1250 abs model , try a DR or Husky non abs....embrace the slide..power on during the drift. A light non-abs is worlds different than a "Computer.. do it for me" ride.
Thanks for your videos, very clear explanation. I have a motorcycle with simple ABS non off-road program. I heard in this cases that is better to switch off the ABS because in most of the cases can assist you but in others could be make me a mistake. I also understand it depends on your experience. This is correct?
Hi Fernando, thanks for the comment and question. My answer here is it depends. ABS works well off road in many situations however, there are situations in which I would want it off. The best I answer I can give you (beyond the bullet point tech spec variable lingo) is to practice with ABS on and ABS OFF in as many situations as possible.
Nice video Dusty. It's great that you are encouraging the use of the front brake for offroad use. But there is a scenario that I wish you had answered - slowing down or stopping while leaning into a turn, do you use front or rear or both? Why?
Thanks for the video. I noticed we have a new host. Has the channel been sold? I like old and new videos. It seems whatever was the decision the proposal of the channel remains. I appreciate that.
Hey Dusty, thanks for another informative video, they are great. Can you share what gear you are wearing - jacket, pants and boots as I am looking for some new gear. Cheers
Personally I use the brakes when I want to slow down. On road, off road, corners, stop signs. Since most of your power and traction are in the front I mostly use the front
Never brake in any corner, the bike loses stability. You should lose the speed BEFORE the corner. If you're getting surprised by a corner very gentle breaking and try to trust the bike. Countersteering is also a key technique to know.
@@moshrom not actually... Trail braking is concidered the correct method for braking into and in a corner.... But here I am asking specifically about trail breaking technique ie in a cnr on gravel.
We'll certainly do a video on your question. There are times in which using the front brake in a corner is a must. Example, a tight, steep downhill corner. As moshrom mentioned, this situation would be very gentle braking. If the terrain is flat, I agree most braking should be done before the corner but if you need to use either brake in that situation, it should be applied GENTLY :-) Also, Dan makes the best point and the major point of the video. The front brake is very effective at controlled slowing down and stopping. But in order to get comfortable in all situations, we have to practice using the brake in all those situations.
you should mention that on the GS your front brake never acts alone. The GS's integral braking system always additionally engages the rear brake. There surely is a noticable difference to "true" none rear supported braking. ...and one more reason move you body to the rear...
@@johanbrits674 I do. I ride in the Enduro Pro mode which still has ABS engaged at a certain point. Also, as Michael mentioned, the brakes are linked so it's like cheating... :-) Somewhat hard to do a video on aggressive braking without making the disclaimer and explaining the BMW braking system specifically. We'll have to do that in the next video when we get more aggressive.
@@west38moto53 Thanks for the response Dusty. Now a can of worms have been open between the different model's of Gs. The R1150's and R1200 GS's has ABS and Linked brake front and back. But no Eduro mode as the LC R1200/R1250. So the next video is going to be interesting. Whats your suggestion on the older models. Abs on when doing Offroad whereas rear tire lock up is not required? Or the old way and ABS off? Are the front and back still linked with the ABS off? Getting complicated....great topic for the real learners. Groetnis Johan
Don't forget to remind people to air down the tire before doing this..... I forgot I had a rock hard 32 pounds of "pavement air" in mine and I TOUCHED the front brake on a steep downhill with deep loose gravel, and the tire went right out from under me. 26#'s of air and the same line was just fine....
Hi Sherri, interesting point. I actually try to keep my tire at 30 lbs of pressure or above. I don't want a dented rim when I am riding fast over rocks. It is true that a tire with less pressure will give more and grab the terrain better, but there are so many variables involved and all bikes/tires/braking systems etc. are going to react differently. Good thing you figured out 26 lbs works for you!
In a previous Mototrek video, I remember Brett Tkacs saying that he keeps his tyre pressures around 35 psi on most dirt roads, unless in the soft sand or mud, (to avoid get a pinch flat). He reckons too many people drop their tyre pressures too low when they don't need to. But at 26 psi, this is still quite high so you should be fine if that works better for you.
Nice informative videos as always, but can't help but notice the cylinder head protection that you added. did you fabricate it your self or is it off the shelf? Thanks, keep it coming, your tips helped me made it out from some tricky situations. If it wasn't for this channel I'm pretty sure that I have dropped my bike a dozen times. Cheers.
As a Coloradoan, any chance you could let us know the location and what road this was filmed on? I want to test these great skills on the same beautiful road!
I love your work and I love this channel - but I really love your crazy yankee names - Dusty Wessels and Brett Tcaks are just not regarded as names on my side of the pond....I wonder if English names sound so bizarre to you?? ...anyway, silly point, not intending to be rude, just enjoying our cultural differences....keep up the great work - all the best - TMF.
Dusty, where in Colorado was this filmed? Did a search for High Mesa and it came up with a location west of Montrose, which I don't think is correct. Really enjoying the content!
I would like to suggest a topic for a video: I am a few years into adventure riding and have made a habit of going out into the NYS forest roads and trails surrounding me in upstate NY to practice and get comfortable with the skills you demonstrate. I have taken a few short trips and had any number of weekends/overnights. However, I have just returned from a 2,000 mile plus trip through New York, Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine while picking up parts of the newly released Northeast BDR route as well as relying on Butler Maps of the Northeast as well as the X OffRoad app to locate trails. The point is, I was wholly unprepared and surprised to learn how much a difference riding my F800GSA while carrying a fully load of gear made in the handling and response - and yes I took too much with me. I did however notice in this one that you rode loaded with gear (and yes you are on the big bike) but the gear I carried made a big difference in how the bike handled. Could you talk about (not what to bring like the rtwpaul videos or the tool tips) but how to load the bike (I started out decidedly lopsided and too hemmed in to move back on the seat well when the trail demanded I shifted weight back. Thanks for considering it as a topic.
Horse 1: What do you mean by front brake!? I know what I do. Ride a horse instead and you'll see. Horse 2: Yeah man ride a horse! By the way amazing instructive video like always. Thanks.
I always follow your videos and I am also an instructor in Brazil but with the Triumph. I would like to know how do I become an official instructor for BMW in Europe or specifically in Portugal to obtain the certifications and work as a motorcycle instructor and guide MOTO Turism...??? Please some hints Tks And congratulations
Hi Milton, I don't know a lot about the process and am sure it is different for each market. I would have your dealer get you in touch with the regional rep who can then get you in touch with marketing...?
Well done video, thank you! However there was no mention about deep sand. In Sand, the front wheel behaves very differently than in other off road situations, same goes for deep gravel. The front brake needs to be at a minimum and the rear brake does most the stopping, if you lock it, it will dig in the dirt and create a pile of sand in front of it, which helps with the stopping and it is important not to chop the throttle, rather pull the clutch in. Also I think that the whole “no front brake in dirt” comes from road riding, where people will most likely have road tires with minimal tread, which would likely skid under braking, rather than the teeth sink in and bite the dirt.
I agree, deeper sand or gravel is no good for the front brake, the rear is better in those situations. However, it also depends on how deep either is and what their traction points are. For me, the deeper the sand or gravel, the more I use engine braking and the rear brake. We'll do a video on this as well.
Great video. I'm currently in the market for cylinder head protection and really like what is on Dusty's GSA. Anyone know the make/model of the head guards?
Hi Paul, are they flat hair pins or are we going downhill? If it is downhill, I am on my front brake ever so slightly. If they are flat, I try not to use my brakes at all but I am comfortable dragging (slight pressure) on either front or rear.
You didn't mention using the rear brake. Should you be applying the rear brake at the same time as the front brake or are you saying to use only the front brake off-road?
Sir I have a big question in my mind that which bike should I buy the one which have a shaft drive or a chain drive I am asking this question to you because you rides the BMW GSA r1250 which have a shaft drive. Please suggest me
Hi Exotic, that really depends on which bike fits you better. BMW's 750 and 850 or the 1250 class. I would get the bike that fits you better and not worry too much about the final drive. Both systems have their advantages and disadvantages.
Neduro called using the front break “Front brake loading” in his off road courses. I honestly hardly ever use the rear break ever since learning that. Great fishing at Silverjack Reservoir, Dusty.
My extremely limited experience shows me that front brake going downhill is a bad mixture. The bike was gaining to much speed, I panicked and applied too much pressure on the front brake. The result is having to lift an heavy bike from the ground.
Does the BMW R1250GS Adventure have an integrated brake system? So when I apply the front brake, the rear brake will be the first one that works, right?
This is NOT a good advice. I understand it has to be generic by nature of a short video. Yet there are scenarios where using front break offroad will get you on the ground fast. Like using front break in a sharp turn or going downhill, especially when it is loose and/or rocky. @MOTOTREK quality control?
I think you need to apply some front brake on a steep downhill on a 1250GS - the back brake won't stop you alone. Just need to apply it gently. Plenty of professional vids out there on that topic. Agree with you on not using front brake in a corner. Hopefully that's common sense.
We can't say "don't use the front brake in a corner or downhill" because we DO use the front brake all the time in those situations. The trick is to be gentle with it.
I have a 2019 triumph tiger 1200 and I would like to adjust my brake and clutch levers down so I don't have to move my fingers back up and then over to engage them. But if I do the mirrors and Brake reservoirs will be on an angle and it doesn't look like I have very much slack with the brake lines. Is it ok to have the brake reservoirs not parallel to the ground If I was to find a way to get extra slack in the lines. It's too bad they don't make the mirrors and Brake reservoirs separate from the levers.
Good question. The quick answer is, your weight over the rear portion of the bike keeps it stabilized while slowing down. While it may be true that more weight in the front will give the tire more traction, it will also affect the handling and stability of the front of the bike. Try it next time you are out. Do an aggressive (ish) stop with your front brake and put your weight in both positions and feel the difference in stability.
@@dancingkids5158 if u don't move yr body weight to the back in emergency braking or when u brake very hard ,the bike may flip Coe there will be to much weight /force/momentom on yr front wheel bcos sbk front brake is very strong . Try it on yr MTB emergency brakes(yours disc brakes ?) U will crash if if don't move yr weight to the back. More crucial if u brake during yr downhill .that the reason for MTB if u descend very steep trail u butt will almost touch yr rear tires .I believe u done d moving yr body weight to the back without realising it
@@west38moto53 You're making a lot of sense there. In MTB we shift back and push down while braking hard. In my head this is to avoid going over-the-bar. I guess at the same time this put the the rear under control as well.
I would expect more accurate information. Where is a lot of mistakes in video. Main thing what you did not say is that you have limited traction. You can use it for turning, or for braking (if both, you will split it). If you are on turn, you can't brake hard and you have to prepare it before turn. With ABS I was able to slide bike only on snow. So in straight line you can brake quite hard with no or little effort
Hi Linas, we didn't get into too much detail about braking in this video. This was a basic video to help those folks that are new riders and are not sure about front braking off road. We'll certainly dig into more detail on another more advanced braking video that will talk about and show everything you mentioned.
front brake is primary because of weight transfer. you don’t need dual rotors offroad anyway, due to limited traction.
You're right, Eugene. We should have worded that a bit differently. The front brake offers the most stopping power on any road, paved or not, as long as the bike is moving forward. Of course... there isn't any weight transfer until the front brake is applied, but our point is that the front brake offers considerably more stopping power than the rear brake and riders should use it whenever possible.
@@MOTOTREK "upright under gyroscopic forces" and moving forward, of course - Hahahahahahahahahaha!!
I'd also be showing fingers permanently wrapped over the brake lever, not - coming off throttle then onto brake lever...
Assume you'll cover the change in bike dimensions, using front break, in further videos, or perhaps reference previous videos if covered previously...
@@MOTOTREK Sorry for being nitpicky here. Weight transfer to the front will happen not just with the application of the front brake, but also with the rear, and rolling off the throttle.
Everyone knows that Parker.
@@billsafford586 you'd be surprised brother!
Hilarious horse photo bomb.
Lol , yeah
Yeah man
I hope the camera was visible so they didn't think he was crazy😂
I know right, I was sure they were going to do a ridiculous horse-motorbike comparison
Thea dont have the Problems with the front break
I like how the four legged atvs came by to check out the guy talking to himself 😄. Enjoy the videos sir.
I got used to this great guy so quickly. Very friendly attitude and teaching skills. Love this channel.
Glad you enjoy it, Michal!
I feared and hated dirt like sand and wind . I didn't enjoy riding as much as I had hoped . your videos changed that and now I am exited to go off road and to develop my skills . thank you so very much !
Yep, I took an off-road riding course and front wheel braking was one of the first lessons taught. Spend some time learning where the threshold is that your front brake locks in a safe and controlled environment and you'll have much more confidence and control later when you need it.
I miss Bret, but I like Bearded Bret more than I thought I would. Nice job, great on-camera delivery! Also, way to go finding an instructor named Dusty to do a video on dry summer fire roads. That was probably harder than we think. PS - do ANY of you guys wear normal hats? ;)
Thanks, Brian!
Bret is still making videos on his own channel.
It's cool because now we have even more good moto content.
@@tahoehiker I'm thinking Brett sold the Mototrek channel. About the same time as this change, another channel, "Mototrek Adventures" (had to) change its name (to Ride On Amigos). That UA-camr Carlos, didn't share details, only that he bowed out. Out of respect for Brett, he didn't want to get in a fight over the name. My guess is they had to clear any claim to the name before the sale. Conjecture, but it adds up, especially with Brett starting a new channel.
Hi Brian, I get that all the time :-) Just worked out I guess. Also, for fun, what is a 'normal' hat?
@@norsefalconer Bret has actually had his channel for some time but didn't publish to it regularly.
He also touched on the separation some time ago - MotoTrek from what I understand is a separate entity and he simply did work with them and for one reason or another, the collective whole decided not to work together any longer.
Thanks, Dusty. Convinced myself a while ago that ‘the front brake is my friend’ off road...it fundamentally changed my level of confidence. I’ll be practicing my body position, as you really cover that well for all modes and manoeuvres on the dirt. Thanks for what you do....no drops off road last 2 years! Touch wood and everything else....
Best ADV instruction videos anywhere!
This is a perfectly good video, practical and aesthetic. Nice touches throughout with solid advice. Some guys who don't make demo videos about much of anything think they are great critics though. Disregard them.
I appreciate that, Chris!
Thanks, Dusty, for an awesome explanation. I can speak 1st hand, because he trained my man & me. We went through different types of braking off-road, practiced it a ton, and this sequence of front braking really works!!!!!
Back to practice with ABS on and Front brake, thx for the teaching vid.
Glad to help!
very good video...nice job Dusty ... keep the tips and lessons coming..
Thanks Brian.
All those backgrounds are so majestic, they look like a movie set or CGI
Rode dirt/gravel in Washington today…wish I watched this first! Round two tomorrow!! 🙏
Great stuff! Mountain bikers sometimes have a hard time deciding when to use the front brake as well.
Thanks Dusty for making these basics episodes.
Have sent them to my kids also.
👍
Thanks for the short and easy version.
You bet, Peter.
Going to Colorado to drive off-road is now definitely on my bucket list. Thank you Mototrek for sharing all your knowledge!
Great information on front braking! Thx! Another tip is to practice emergency braking, techniques and stages of braking, front and rear braking, initial braking front tire loading, obstacle avoidance, situational awareness and exit points and so on. Become an effective brake'r in general, then incorporate off-road specific approaches such as this. How to stop in the shortest distance with the most control is the key, so get out and hit those brakes hard, over and over again, in controlled environments on and off road. 😉👍
I use front brake all roads on my xr650l dual sport/adventure bike all ways great information from you keep it up thanks
Chicken or the egg. The reason for stopping power being more on the front brake is not because there are two disks, there are two disks there because the front brake is most effective since weight transfers to the front wheel during braking.
You are correct, Abhay. Definitely chick or the egg. We should have used better language for that bit.
Haha ditto.
I will start practicing as soon as possible.
Many Thanks for this Video.
Keep it up and Safe Rides everyone.
Superb vid. Much needed. So many time’s I hear on slopes and off road. DONT touch the front brake. N I wonder how else will the bike stop ? Glare at it ? 😂
Just the sort of motivation I need to get out and work on my offroad braking. Great video Dusty
Thanks Chuck!
Simple and great video, so clear. Thanks
awesome video! One of my two favorite Channels.
Good vid....and beautiful landscapes
Glad you enjoyed, Miguel.
I've heard so many "good advices" about riding motorcycle in general... good intentions but bad results :) There are so many of them which you can check on your own (probably all low-speed ones).
I still feel a bit like riding bicycle - where you grounded so many times that you can't even count but you weren't afraid of trying to brake on sand, tarmac with sand, mud... - you got few bruises but a lot of skills! After being sure that I can use front brake (because it worked for me really nice) I took offroad course in "Akademia Enduro" (dedicated to GS 1200 and other buffalo size bikes) where they confirmed some of things I trained on my own.
I like their excercises with ABS front wheel disabled - keep power on, brake until front is blocked and drag as far as you can, feel the traction, how it's lost, how you feel it with your body and manage to release the brake before you fall.
THX Mototrek for your channel!
Great video very informative for us off road novices. Many thanks Dusty
Let's not forget that engine braking for us thumper riders! Top notch as usual !
Great video. I can't wait until I'm allowed to leave my suburb and practice this.....
Now that's the best comment in this thread.
Great stuff Dusty.....keep em comin pls!!
Nice video.
Super useful topic, thanks for this video!
What happened to Bret don’t get me wrong I really like Dusty but I was curious on what happened to Brent?did I miss that video?great job Dusty on the video my weakness is that front break in the gravel but you give the right tools to try. Thank you
I have been wondering the same thing.
He has his own channel now. Search Bret Tkacs
Yeah, with a 1250 abs model , try a DR or Husky non abs....embrace the slide..power on during the drift. A light non-abs is worlds different than a "Computer.. do it for me" ride.
I love this channel. Thanks for these amazing videos!
Thanks for your videos, very clear explanation. I have a motorcycle with simple ABS non off-road program. I heard in this cases that is better to switch off the ABS because in most of the cases can assist you but in others could be make me a mistake. I also understand it depends on your experience. This is correct?
Hi Fernando, thanks for the comment and question. My answer here is it depends. ABS works well off road in many situations however, there are situations in which I would want it off. The best I answer I can give you (beyond the bullet point tech spec variable lingo) is to practice with ABS on and ABS OFF in as many situations as possible.
Nice Video!
Short and sweet. Nice. (longer vids are cool too though!)
Nice video Dusty. It's great that you are encouraging the use of the front brake for offroad use.
But there is a scenario that I wish you had answered - slowing down or stopping while leaning into a turn, do you use front or rear or both? Why?
Thanks for the video. I noticed we have a new host. Has the channel been sold? I like old and new videos. It seems whatever was the decision the proposal of the channel remains. I appreciate that.
BMW's Enduro Pro ABS is a revolution in this arena.
Totally agree! These BMW's have a very sophisticated ABS system, it's almost cheating ;-) BTW...is this Ian?
@@west38moto53 yup, it's me... the guy who never stands up. ;^)
Great job, both in your delivery and in the subject matter. We have the same bike, you just ride better than I do :-(
Forever confused as to why people don’t use their front brake off road / on road / adjacent to road / slowing down. Brakes are amazing. Use brakes.
Hey Dusty, thanks for another informative video, they are great. Can you share what gear you are wearing - jacket, pants and boots as I am looking for some new gear. Cheers
I only use the back brake for steering, not stopping; road or dirt.
Right-on Duane!
Can you possibly to a follow on to elaborate front braking off road in corners...... Do it? Don't do it? How to and how not to?
Personally I use the brakes when I want to slow down. On road, off road, corners, stop signs. Since most of your power and traction are in the front I mostly use the front
Right on, Dan!
Never brake in any corner, the bike loses stability. You should lose the speed BEFORE the corner. If you're getting surprised by a corner very gentle breaking and try to trust the bike. Countersteering is also a key technique to know.
@@moshrom not actually... Trail braking is concidered the correct method for braking into and in a corner.... But here I am asking specifically about trail breaking technique ie in a cnr on gravel.
We'll certainly do a video on your question. There are times in which using the front brake in a corner is a must. Example, a tight, steep downhill corner. As moshrom mentioned, this situation would be very gentle braking. If the terrain is flat, I agree most braking should be done before the corner but if you need to use either brake in that situation, it should be applied GENTLY :-) Also, Dan makes the best point and the major point of the video. The front brake is very effective at controlled slowing down and stopping. But in order to get comfortable in all situations, we have to practice using the brake in all those situations.
you should mention that on the GS your front brake never acts alone. The GS's integral braking system always additionally engages the rear brake. There surely is a noticable difference to "true" none rear supported braking. ...and one more reason move you body to the rear...
Great point, Michael. The GS definitely has an advanced ABS system.
@@MOTOTREK so I take it you ride offroad with your ABS on?
@@johanbrits674 I do. I ride in the Enduro Pro mode which still has ABS engaged at a certain point. Also, as Michael mentioned, the brakes are linked so it's like cheating... :-) Somewhat hard to do a video on aggressive braking without making the disclaimer and explaining the BMW braking system specifically. We'll have to do that in the next video when we get more aggressive.
@@west38moto53 Thanks for the response Dusty. Now a can of worms have been open between the different model's of Gs. The R1150's and R1200 GS's has ABS and Linked brake front and back. But no Eduro mode as the LC R1200/R1250.
So the next video is going to be interesting. Whats your suggestion on the older models. Abs on when doing Offroad whereas rear tire lock up is not required? Or the old way and ABS off? Are the front and back still linked with the ABS off?
Getting complicated....great topic for the real learners.
Groetnis Johan
Don't forget to remind people to air down the tire before doing this..... I forgot I had a rock hard 32 pounds of "pavement air" in mine and I TOUCHED the front brake on a steep downhill with deep loose gravel, and the tire went right out from under me. 26#'s of air and the same line was just fine....
Hi Sherri, interesting point. I actually try to keep my tire at 30 lbs of pressure or above. I don't want a dented rim when I am riding fast over rocks. It is true that a tire with less pressure will give more and grab the terrain better, but there are so many variables involved and all bikes/tires/braking systems etc. are going to react differently. Good thing you figured out 26 lbs works for you!
In a previous Mototrek video, I remember Brett Tkacs saying that he keeps his tyre pressures around 35 psi on most dirt roads, unless in the soft sand or mud, (to avoid get a pinch flat). He reckons too many people drop their tyre pressures too low when they don't need to. But at 26 psi, this is still quite high so you should be fine if that works better for you.
Nice informative videos as always, but can't help but notice the cylinder head protection that you added. did you fabricate it your self or is it off the shelf?
Thanks, keep it coming, your tips helped me made it out from some tricky situations. If it wasn't for this channel I'm pretty sure that I have dropped my bike a dozen times. Cheers.
when should you practice with TC and ABS off (on the dirt of course)? Good stuff Dusty thanks
Thank you
such an informative video ❤️! Thank You Sir 🙏
"making your bike as afriend" nice words
As a Coloradoan, any chance you could let us know the location and what road this was filmed on? I want to test these great skills on the same beautiful road!
On the COBDR, Jim. Just east of Ridgeway.
@@MOTOTREK Awesome. Thank you!
We were on the east side of Owl Creek Pass near Silver Jack Reservoir. Thanks Jim!
Thanks for the video! Just a quest: what kind of soft luggage are you mounting on? Thanks!
Giuseppe - Dusty has the Mosco Moto Backcountry 35L panniers.
@@MOTOTREK Thank you very much! Probably my next choice :)
Nice Video Dusty. What is the brand and model for your front and back tires.
Very good Congratulations!
I love your work and I love this channel - but I really love your crazy yankee names - Dusty Wessels and Brett Tcaks are just not regarded as names on my side of the pond....I wonder if English names sound so bizarre to you?? ...anyway, silly point, not intending to be rude, just enjoying our cultural differences....keep up the great work - all the best - TMF.
Love your videos, Andy! Hope we cross paths some day!
-Tim
Haha, yeah, not the most common names :-)
Actually, I think Tkacs is Hungarian. On the other hand, Dusty Wessels does sound something out of Dodge City, KS or Tombstone, AZ. :)
Wonderful content and location. Could someone please tell which place is this ?
Watch the beginning of the video, it is written on the screen.
@@calin7017 thank you. I missed the detail as I was focussing on the beauty of the place.
On the Colorado BDR just outside Silver Jack Reservoir below Owl Creek Pass.
@@west38moto53 thank you so much.
Dusty, where in Colorado was this filmed? Did a search for High Mesa and it came up with a location west of Montrose, which I don't think is correct. Really enjoying the content!
goo.gl/maps/rcu8WMbBQuZhtgNXA
I would like to suggest a topic for a video: I am a few years into adventure riding and have made a habit of going out into the NYS forest roads and trails surrounding me in upstate NY to practice and get comfortable with the skills you demonstrate. I have taken a few short trips and had any number of weekends/overnights. However, I have just returned from a 2,000 mile plus trip through New York, Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine while picking up parts of the newly released Northeast BDR route as well as relying on Butler Maps of the Northeast as well as the X OffRoad app to locate trails. The point is, I was wholly unprepared and surprised to learn how much a difference riding my F800GSA while carrying a fully load of gear made in the handling and response - and yes I took too much with me. I did however notice in this one that you rode loaded with gear (and yes you are on the big bike) but the gear I carried made a big difference in how the bike handled. Could you talk about (not what to bring like the rtwpaul videos or the tool tips) but how to load the bike (I started out decidedly lopsided and too hemmed in to move back on the seat well when the trail demanded I shifted weight back. Thanks for considering it as a topic.
Horse 1: What do you mean by front brake!? I know what I do. Ride a horse instead and you'll see.
Horse 2: Yeah man ride a horse!
By the way amazing instructive video like always. Thanks.
can you recommend some good off road shoes for the BMW R1250GS ADVENTURE motorcycle? Thank you very much🙂
I really like your YT episodes💪👏
I always follow your videos and I am also an instructor in Brazil but with the Triumph. I would like to know how do I become an official instructor for BMW in Europe or specifically in Portugal to obtain the certifications and work as a motorcycle instructor and guide MOTO Turism...???
Please some hints
Tks
And congratulations
Hi Milton, I don't know a lot about the process and am sure it is different for each market. I would have your dealer get you in touch with the regional rep who can then get you in touch with marketing...?
Well done video, thank you! However there was no mention about deep sand. In Sand, the front wheel behaves very differently than in other off road situations, same goes for deep gravel. The front brake needs to be at a minimum and the rear brake does most the stopping, if you lock it, it will dig in the dirt and create a pile of sand in front of it, which helps with the stopping and it is important not to chop the throttle, rather pull the clutch in. Also I think that the whole “no front brake in dirt” comes from road riding, where people will most likely have road tires with minimal tread, which would likely skid under braking, rather than the teeth sink in and bite the dirt.
I agree, deeper sand or gravel is no good for the front brake, the rear is better in those situations. However, it also depends on how deep either is and what their traction points are. For me, the deeper the sand or gravel, the more I use engine braking and the rear brake. We'll do a video on this as well.
When I hear the beating drums and the screaming eagle in the background at work.
"Hey, Julie!! Can you cover me?
It's my break time
Another great video, thank you! Dusty, would you mind sharing which tires you’re running on your GSA?
They look like Motoz Adventure
Black and round
Those are MotoZ Tractionator Rallz pacificpowersports.com/shop/tractionator-rallz/
Personally, I have found that balanced use of both front and rear brakes yields the most stable and shortest stop.
Very true, we'll talk about each one independently and together in another video.
Good thought. BMW GS has integrated (70/30) brakes...so essentially he is doing as you suggest with just the hand brake.
Great video. I'm currently in the market for cylinder head protection and really like what is on Dusty's GSA. Anyone know the make/model of the head guards?
great photo bomb
What about front brake in gravel hair pin bends, Dusty?
Hi Paul, are they flat hair pins or are we going downhill? If it is downhill, I am on my front brake ever so slightly. If they are flat, I try not to use my brakes at all but I am comfortable dragging (slight pressure) on either front or rear.
@@west38moto53 Thanks Dusty. My nemesis is downhill hairpins on gravel and mud. Flat and uphill are ok.
Gr8 mith buster , could u shed some light on carrying hard panniers or soft in terrains. Thanks
Look at their older videos with Brett, they've done one already
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You really have amazing tracks where you are :)
You didn't mention using the rear brake. Should you be applying the rear brake at the same time as the front brake or are you saying to use only the front brake off-road?
Sir I have a big question in my mind that which bike should I buy the one which have a shaft drive or a chain drive I am asking this question to you because you rides the BMW GSA r1250 which have a shaft drive. Please suggest me
Hi Exotic, that really depends on which bike fits you better. BMW's 750 and 850 or the 1250 class. I would get the bike that fits you better and not worry too much about the final drive. Both systems have their advantages and disadvantages.
@@west38moto53 thanks bro for your suggestion but I have booked the r1250 gsa today only
Neduro called using the front break “Front brake loading” in his off road courses.
I honestly hardly ever use the rear break ever since learning that.
Great fishing at Silverjack Reservoir, Dusty.
yeahyeah, try using two fingers on the brakes of 1993 xtz 750 :D :D :D
I would like to know that GPS set up you have on your bike. I am in the market.
Garmin XT, James. We should have a 1st Impressions video up soon. We love it.
@@MOTOTREK Thanks
Amazing
Hi can’t help notice your tyres. How are they for both off and on road?
How on earth do you find these beautiful roads you're riding on?
This location is a dead end spur off the COBDR. Dusty got us close, and Tim got lucky exploring.
MOTOTREK thanks! Just googled it. Had not heard of it.🤗
My extremely limited experience shows me that front brake going downhill is a bad mixture. The bike was gaining to much speed, I panicked and applied too much pressure on the front brake. The result is having to lift an heavy bike from the ground.
Dusty Wessels, some Dutch roots??:)
Does the BMW R1250GS Adventure have an integrated brake system? So when I apply the front brake, the rear brake will be the first one that works, right?
Los Brembo que tiene mi GS1100R son muy confiables...usar ambos o lo que exija la ocasión... Otro asunto es la técnica y experiencia del piloto
This is NOT a good advice. I understand it has to be generic by nature of a short video. Yet there are scenarios where using front break offroad will get you on the ground fast. Like using front break in a sharp turn or going downhill, especially when it is loose and/or rocky. @MOTOTREK quality control?
I think you need to apply some front brake on a steep downhill on a 1250GS - the back brake won't stop you alone. Just need to apply it gently. Plenty of professional vids out there on that topic. Agree with you on not using front brake in a corner. Hopefully that's common sense.
We can't say "don't use the front brake in a corner or downhill" because we DO use the front brake all the time in those situations. The trick is to be gentle with it.
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Is that bike normal suspension or low suspension?
I had a great science teacher in school named Tom Wessels when I was a kid. Maybe the Wessels surname denotes natural teachers :)
Haha...that's cool!
Gooday I stopped using my rear brake on the second day I ever rode a bike that`s around 51 years ago now cheers,,
Maybe it's time to start using it again then, to maximize stoppingpower both front and rear are needed :)
Good job.. Bret used to do it best 👍
Except on a downhill, i guess.. in this case front breaking may be dangerous.. then is good to balance betwen both, what you say?
Front braking is effective downhill.
I have a 2019 triumph tiger 1200 and I would like to adjust my brake and clutch levers down so I don't have to move my fingers back up and then over to engage them. But if I do the mirrors and Brake reservoirs will be on an angle and it doesn't look like I have very much slack with the brake lines. Is it ok to have the brake reservoirs not parallel to the ground If I was to find a way to get extra slack in the lines. It's too bad they don't make the mirrors and Brake reservoirs separate from the levers.
All I know I is I want to ride what ever road that is
I don't get it. Why put your weight back? Wouldn't transferring your weight forward give the front tire more traction?
U will understand why u need to put yr weight back if u ride mountain bike (MTB) .
@@limyewhock5495 Exactly. I do ride an MTB. I just want to understand the mechanics.
Good question. The quick answer is, your weight over the rear portion of the bike keeps it stabilized while slowing down. While it may be true that more weight in the front will give the tire more traction, it will also affect the handling and stability of the front of the bike. Try it next time you are out. Do an aggressive (ish) stop with your front brake and put your weight in both positions and feel the difference in stability.
@@dancingkids5158 if u don't move yr body weight to the back in emergency braking or when u brake very hard ,the bike may flip Coe there will be to much weight /force/momentom on yr front wheel bcos sbk front brake is very strong . Try it on yr MTB emergency brakes(yours disc brakes ?) U will crash if if don't move yr weight to the back. More crucial if u brake during yr downhill .that the reason for MTB if u descend very steep trail u butt will almost touch yr rear tires .I believe u done d moving yr body weight to the back without realising it
@@west38moto53 You're making a lot of sense there. In MTB we shift back and push down while braking hard. In my head this is to avoid going over-the-bar. I guess at the same time this put the the rear under control as well.
I would expect more accurate information. Where is a lot of mistakes in video. Main thing what you did not say is that you have limited traction. You can use it for turning, or for braking (if both, you will split it). If you are on turn, you can't brake hard and you have to prepare it before turn. With ABS I was able to slide bike only on snow. So in straight line you can brake quite hard with no or little effort
Hi Linas, we didn't get into too much detail about braking in this video. This was a basic video to help those folks that are new riders and are not sure about front braking off road. We'll certainly dig into more detail on another more advanced braking video that will talk about and show everything you mentioned.
What's that front tyre btw?
Those are MotoZ Tractionator Rallz pacificpowersports.com/shop/tractionator-rallz/
@@west38moto53 gosh I've the same tyres and didn't even recognize them 😂