For All Mankind Season 4 Episode 7 Breakdown | Recap & Review
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- For All Mankind Season 4 Episode 7 Breakdown. An in-depth recap and review of s04e07 "Crossing the Line" with the ending explained. Please Subscribe 👉 ua-cam.com/users/petepeppers...
In the seventh episode of For All Mankind’s fourth season, Dev breaks the strike on Mars and Makes Ed an offer that could change everything. Margo returns to Houston and things are underway to try to capture the Goldilocks asteroid.
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Crossing the Line
A group on Mars takes drastic measures. Margo grapples with a new assignment.
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Rocketing into the new millennium in the eight years since season three, Happy Valley has rapidly expanded its footprint on Mars by turning former foes into partners. Now 2003, the focus of the space program has turned to the capture and mining of extremely valuable, mineral-rich asteroids that could change the future of both Earth and Mars. But simmering tensions between the residents of the now-sprawling international base threaten to undo everything they are working towards.
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Alright then. That's a twist, let's see how this plays out. Three episodes to go and pretty much anything can happen. Let me know what you think.
I think Dev Ayesa wants the Mars colony to become an independent nation and will use the asteroid as a leverage to negotiate it with the M7/UN.
Remember to give number three a thump or it won't fire
Dev is making himself the enemy of all the global superpowers.
This was the only plot twist that wasn't telegraphed a mile away and was genuinely unexpected. For 4 seasons, since the show started. And arguably, if not the only then the smartest point of writing in the show so far. Where would it lead? As you said, anything could happen - I am not sure I believe in the writer's competency to capitalize on such a big plot point to the fullest extent. So far, it smells like increasing independence of the Martian colony that would also fuel money siphon (previously mentioned trillions of $) from Earth's superpowers, which will be the foundation of a long term grudge between Earth and Mars. And don't forget, CIA and KGB have agents on the base - I hope they don't forget that the very next episode and actually capitalize on that information.
@@Wustenfuchs109we were all so hoodwinked by the mars strike that we forgot to speculate about the capitalists' next steps
I'm not sure if anyone has pointed this out yet, but Margo Madison has essentially become her mentor, Wernher von Braun-she defected from a great power, has become an integral part of her new home's space program, is hated by many for her past, and is despised by her protégé.
Wow. A very clever insight. 👍
Who was Von Brauns mentor?
Von Braun had a slightly better ending in our timeline that this, but very true.
@@ogjkVon Braun was Margos mentor
@@ogjkhitler
This was such a weird episode until it all made sense. The reason for the strike was Helios' unilateral decision to lower bonuses - a very absurd move given the high stakes and short time window to capture the asteroid. This change was likely instigated by Dec, as he is the Helios CEO. Then the strike goes on for 8 days without Dev's involvement or pressure from M-7 countries on Dev to reverse the absurd Helios policy. Even when he is en route to Mars, they can easily contact him... The strike ends when Dev promises 88 million dollars - which highlights the absurdity of the initial decision to lower bonuses. It all makes far more sense when it gets revealed that he wants to keep the asteroid near Mars. And he intentionally created the strike to serve his purpose. Well done! Or well played!
That makes sense, sound like Dev playing some 4D strategic chess while everyone else is playing checkers
Needed to sniff out the revolutionaries for his takeover of Mars without anyone realizing. Now he has his zealots but to anyone on the outside they just look like defeated labor organizers. At worse people will block further organizing efforts but nobody is even thinking about nationalists extremists and they definitely don't think the greedy capitalist is the mastermind, really only Ed is on the radar.
A genius move so long as nobody sniffs out the Martian nationalism brewing before Dev's coup.
I love Dev man he’s the delusional Silicon Valley robber-baron I grew up wanting to be (and less antisemitic than his closest irl contemporary too!)
He wanted to see who the most committed were
again, it's not 88 million... he only said 88 spots left because the first guy repped 12 workers. it's still 100 million in quadruple bonuses - which excludes all the other stuff, especially the offer of helios stock, which might be worth billions after they get the asteroid.
but yea... good catch about how dev was not contacted at all to negotiate anything. it seems like he definitely included the strike in his plans, and very likely instigated it with the shit changes in the contract, which is weird since i don't think they can just modify everything so much unilaterally. but hey, is helios even subject to any earth-based laws?
Loved that mischievous smile forming on Ed's face when Dev proposed "let's take what's ours! Let's steal an astroid!" (Words to that effect)
some of it is so preposterous. It's hard to take seriously including a president named Gore.... the dude we talk about climate and fly around our private jet.... it'd be interesting to see if Margo can find a "redemption ticket" to stay....since the stories lines are "flexible" .... the end was provocative but unlikely successful with Team Dev and Ed is my guess
as usual typos -- I use my phone and it will not let me edit once I post and I am suffering from sleep deprivation. This is the best I can do.
@@RafaelbySuzannah I agree! And I'll add: MOST of it is preposterous! 😵💫 The only "real" parts we see are the imperfections of mankind in general! Human drama 101, 102, 103....
@@TheDollyce that's the excellent point. I think you made the most astute point it's about human nature.... I think of that famous quote my father, always referred to in English, and in French "...the more things change the more things stay the same...."
@@TheDollyce Ya, it’s not so much a Mars story than a mankind mistreating others story.
At first I was upset with Danielle for not considering the workers' side, but I ended up understanding that she sees that strike for what it really is: Ed Baldwin being emotional for the thousandth time in a critical situation in space.
This was my take, too. She wasn’t unsympathetic to the workers plight, but the strike is Ed’s personal vendetta that could rob humanity of an unparalleled opportunity.
That might be Ed's motives but best we can tell the workers have legitimate grievances. It has been explained many times that their pay is less than they expected, that there is endless fine print limiting their rights.... Helio seems like a rapidly anti-union place and the coverage of that on the show was a little meandering
same. She's not a Helios employee so she is limited in influence to get their needs met. I don't think Ed cares about their plight but sees it as an opportunity. I think Danielle knows they have legitimate grievances.
I do feel like this episode was enlightening in revealing more of Ed’s motivations though. At first it was easy to write off as him being salty for being grounded, but it feels like he genuinely has a vision of Mars as a great new world
I wouldn’t say the entire strike is Ed’s doing, but his instigation and involvement in the strike is definitely personal. Or atleast it was at first, seeing as his involvement in the strike has atleast reawakened some wider loyalty to the project of Martian colonization overall.
Ed went a little crazy with that parmesan cheese Lol.
that's the way he does it.
Oh cool, I just got this thing I really love and probably wont be able to get again. Better use half a damn bottle on my spaghetti
Can you blame him, he hasn't seen a green can of his favorite cheese in probably a decade , i'd go a little crazy too lol
Also while misguided, its an awkward show of love hes trying to make to his grandson that he hardly knows
he’s been shown in the show to always put basically more parmesan on his spaghetti than there is spaghetti lmao
I hate to say it, I’m kind of that way myself 😂😂😂
My prediction is Dev and Ed will push to make the Mars colony an independent state, using Goldilocks as leverage to get what they want from Earth.
Smells just like the plot of ‘The Expanse!” 👍
or Babylon 5
Nah, that wouldn’t work bc the cohesiveness of happy valley relies on Helios and the other nations of Earth to cooperate. I feel that just with the resources Dev has at his disposal he’ll be able to keep the asteroid in Mars and use that to rapidly accumulate more resources to build up a self-sustaining mars colony that grows as time goes on.
@@salutic.7544 Happy Valley needs that because it's a money pit. But once Happy Valley has Goldilocks they have the most valuable trade resource in the solar system. They are no longer a money pit but the gatekeepers to the future, and Dev will be in a position to dictate a lot of economic terms to the nations of Earth, and even to Helios itself if he loses control of its terrestrial or translunar operations.
I think Dev made the bonus changes to engineer a labor crisis while he was en route. He gave them a generous offer, but the important thing to him was that whatever they get, they get it from HIM, not those angry guys at the negotiation table.
He's bringing back that cult of personality we saw last season.
Man this plot almost the start of universal calender in gundam lol...where earth sphere federation fight the zeon federation (space colony people)...man looks like the start of a new era....man forgive my weird rambling😅😅
That line on the ground made by salt or in this case sugar is a classic RDM callback to BSG where it is supposed to represent an old tradition in the Colonial Fleet during missions of importance when volunteers had to come forward. I love how he sprinkles them around like how Ed tells Molly that "sometimes, you have to roll the hard six" in Season 1 which was a classic Admiral Adama line.
All of this happened before.
And it shall happen again
The difference is Adama is was fighting for his species survival but Dev is fighting for a 15% increase in his 5th quarter.
For All Mankind takes place in the BSG universe
Well, Ron D. Moore is a producer on both shows.
This whole season has been great social allegory in the spirit of "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" and "Red Mars"
well, overall I'll say that, I'm expecting the MCR to become a thing in this universe
Watch for any character named “Epstein”.
For a second there, I was like... My Chemical Romance is going to be on the show?? xD forgive me lol
It is looking more and more like a prequel to The Expanse. Loving it 🥰
Love it. Dev wants to create a society based on exploration and humanity while earth wants to just expand its capitalistic way of life.
How ? Expanse takes place thousands of years in the future and no where near Mars…
It absolutely looks like a prequel to the expense!
@@eden20111Umm... What "The Expanse" did you watch and/or read? The Expanse took place like in 2350-2400. 😅
All I know, is in the next season, they need to have Mag Boots. They honestly should have had them by now since they've been a "space faring" civilization for about 50 years now.
Dev's offer was at least generous. Without knowing what the workers already got its hard to say how good. But notice that the gains are baseline, not bonus - nobody has to risk their lives chasing points to get them like that guy who died in episode 1, they just have to do the job.
The reaction from the crew makes me seriously feel like his offer is better than their demands, if not in full potential than in palatability, being able to get the best benefits without the risk chasing bonus system. The only holdouts were holding out not because of money, but because they beleived the deal meant losing Goldilocks and with it most of the jobs on Mars would be lost shortly after, and the gains would be gone with them. But Dev is delivering on that, too, he's just playing it close to the chest for now.
My guess: Dev intentionally made the horribe bonus changes before leaving Earth specifically to engineer this crisis. This way he could arrive at Mars and immediately make it rain and give the workers a net improvement. Maybe he was open to their plight, maybe they're just tools and he's oiling the blades for the job ahead, but the important thing was that they get their gains direct from him and not from negotiators at the table.
He wasn't just being generous, he was bringing back that cult of personality he had last season. He's building a loyal corps of emoloyees because stealing Goldilocks will likely mean he will need to steal Mars along with it.
Even as someone who went on strike this year for better wages, this ending makes sense considering the time period, even for an alternate history. There was a lot of anti-union sentiment floating around. I remember auto execs smearing UAW's leadership in 2008ish.
Also, what Dev did, he used of a lot of the tactics that Howard Schultz the Starbucks CEO did in order to keep the shop non-union around the same time. Great healthcare, stock in the company, and other benefits. Dev would have kept up.
The unions are as corrupt as the companies these days
A great performance by Edi Gathegi.
Dev just stoke the plot of the last Fast and Furious movie. Let's steal an asteroid, familia.
Stoke, how? I need clarification
Ed may be selfish, but man is he still the same badass he was 40 years ago
Hey space peacock
I’m completely on the side of the workers too. But them wanting the asteroid sent to Mars is ludicrous.
But what their demands should be is that for their role in sending it to Earth, they should all get bonuses big enough where they would never need to work again if they so choose.
Is it? The M7 problem is the time for return on investment only. It would be possible to mine it in the orbit of Mars.
Honestly, there are some demands that are absolutely within reason, but then there are others that are absolutely ludicrous. Definitely with you on that one.
This episode reminded me of a Galactica episode when the fuel ship workers go on strike.
I think one way of explaining the murkiness of Ed's motives is not just to one-up Dani. It's also because he's trying to find an outlet for that drive to take heroic risks, but not being able to pay those off in a grand way. We see that in the first season when he missed the opportunity to land on the Moon on Apollo 10, and in the third season when he was not able to land on Mars first. Now that in this season, he's noticing that his body isn't what it used to be and his dismissal as XO, he's still craving to be "the hero" who pushes to become a pioneer so he can get the glory he always desired. And what better way to do that "risk-free" than being a working-class hero leading the first strike on Mars?
That's what I sensed when he saw that his bonuses (?) along with others were getting slashed by Helios. This was the right opportunity, not just to stick it to Dani, but also to fulfill his own hero complex. I think he genuinely believes that by spearheading the improvement of working conditions in Happy Valley, he could finally be the pioneer he always wanted to be. And Dev's proposal to steal the asteroid only helps amplify that complex. I know that comparing Ed when he talked to Miles and Ed now, he looks like a hypocrite. But if you add in his motive of always wanting to be first, his motives make sense.
Ed going full pro union has been hysterical. Never thought Joel would be able to top his performance in season 3. But holy shit this season has been so fun. I could see their heidt plan going wrong and the asteroid dragging the heist crew wuth them back to earth.
Let s go steal an asteroid.
Arrr, aye aye captain
As always, a great review! I'm enjoying this series!
I’m kind of surprised people don’t know that the potential set up here for an independent Martian state is 100% realistic considering the FAM creators have stated they wanted to go far into the future later on. We might get a pseudo Expanse here which is awesome.
Thank you for posting and Merry Christmas.
Same to you!
Ed's motivation is the Martian Dream! I was in doubt until last episode... Whereas Dani's motivation is abiding to M7 only... Amazing!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Dani = level headed responsible one
Ed = the rebellious Maverick
They balance each other well as story foils while being close friends
I got really excited when it ended. This tied up really well with when Karen dismantled Dev's coup. He learnt his lesson!
"Pinkerton Poole" the Strike Buster.
Always enjoy your videos. Keep up the great work. Hi bob
Hi Bob
Being an industrial mechanic and Maintenance & Environmental supervisor, I hate this Management vs labor conflict. As a manager, I never talk down to the workers! I do not order, I challenge. I ask what they need to accomplish the challenge, provide the resources to carry them out and thus remove excuses.
Management are just permanent scabs. The Factory would run without management, not without workers. Managements core role is to enforce the exploitation of labour that is inherent in all capitalist operations. Noone respects management, not the Executives/Owners and not the Workers. It's trading integrity for an insignificant salary bump. think the Jews who the NAZIS hired to Police the Warsaw Ghetto.
Feels more and more like for all mankind is a prequel to the expanse
Would make a lot of sense that the greatest Martian pilot was named after the first Martian
@@Blackpearlmatt really would be
The expanse took place like 200 years after
@michealnyers184 we know but in many ways many potential and possible links that would make it work as a Prequel
The strike plot was similar to the strike in Battlestar Galactica season 3, and when Dev put down the sugar line it seemed similar to the salt line laid down in the end of BSG season 4. I know Ron is no longer running the show, so have others started using plots from his previous show? Will the end of FAM lead to Star Trek The Next Generation?
Probably the original series if we’re being honest
Stealing an asteroid 1.1+ Miles in Diameter worth $20 Trillion USD. Ed's gonna get his blaze of glory.
how do you get the actual clips as apple doesn't allow for video screenshots ? I've been doing a technical breakdown of each episode, and how they compare to the real deal, such as Verb/Noun codes on the DSKY and so on. But can only do stills.
Pete, I absolutely loved your coverage of Better Call Saul. All your reviews and podcasts with Vivid Kiwi. Looking forward to a new series to start. Loved the movie Fargo. Would you recommend the Fargo series or For all Mankind to start?
I'm not Pete, but Fargo and FAM are entirely different types of shows... Fargo being an anthology compared to FAM taking place across multiple decades in the same timeline is one example. Fargo is more of a crime/dark comedy show, whereas FAM is a drama/sci-fi/alternate history epic. FAM is sorta like "Mad Men with NASA". It depends on what type of show you're looking to get into. It's all about the characters in FAM, and Fargo is more story and dialogue driven, and you're more likely to get really invested into the characters of FAM. You should watch the pilot of each show and you'll get a pretty good sense of which direction you want to go, IMO.
@@elikerr785 thank you for the breakdowns. I really appreciate it
Grand Theft Asteroid! aka GTA
9:45 unsolicited Parmesan cheese lmao
I think Ed doesn’t want to go home because of Karen’s death would become reality. It might have started with that now he can’t see his way going back to Earth.
that doesn't excuse him being a selfish asshole tho.
I love this series and you are so right. When Dev approached Ed and started talking about taking what is rightfully theirs I too thought that the writers must have lost their minds. This can’t go anywhere. I’m still skeptical because regardless of Ed and Dev and their yearning to never go back to Earth, what good is money to them? The Goldilocks Astroid is worth an astonishing sum but after the wool is pulled over the proverbial eyes of the powers that be back on Earth, do they really expect any shipments of supplies for the survival on Mars? Plus when the rest of the population gets wind of this and the fact that, for all they know, the M-7 or even any single country / countries of the pact would be willing to garner support and supplies to Mars, even for those not in on the scheme. Cash money is basically moot up there. The workers are anticipating going back home one day and bringing a check to the bank or a sweet direct deposit or whatever and if that option is not on the table anymore then, other than Ed and Dev, what do they really have to look forward to?
I believe Ed and Dev are both, because of what they have been through in their lives, are just literally prepared to pay the ultimate price. Ed was always a shoot from the hip kind of guy but he was strict and disciplined and had standards and he was a good father and husband….for the most part and I say that loosely because he really was but nobody is perfect. But you can see his slip into a different man just in the case of allowing his grandchild to sneak through a duct to obtain highly sensitive material. He never would have allowed that in season one, two and even a bit onward. Even Gordo would probably not have approved that and that is saying something. But I think Ed and Dev don’t really care anymore about any monetary gain, they are pretty much prepared to meet their maker’s at any time. But that’s not very comforting I would imagine for the rest of the Mars community.
With the cutback in bonusses it makes no sense for them to not pay them. But stealing an asteroid could be tragic too.
brilliant .
Dani’s behavior seemed peculiarly out of character in this episode. Normally she’s extremely responsible and careful, hell it’s one of the main reasons she was chosen as captain of Sojourner last season. Green lighting bypassing a regulator like that doesn’t seem like something she would do. It’s the kind of behavior she normally scolds Ed for. Goldilocks has even the most level headed people acting crazy.
I dont think she was aware that they were bypassing the regulator or even know the regulator was missing in the first place
As Cringelord said, she wasn't aware of what were they doing exactly. And even if she did, she is the one who listens to people with more expertise in the field - which is what that astronaut claimed to be. The fault for this is actually on the guy leading the team on site. He is the technician on location and a leader of the group, he should have been the one calling the shots. He screwed up managing his team.
In every organization, chain of command and job delegation are mandatory. Dani is NOT responsible for what individuals in the team do, she is responsible for the Team Lead, and that Team Lead is then responsible for those under his direct command. While overall blame is on her as the commander of the entire operation, for which she will be chewed up by her immediate superiors, who will in turn be chewed up by their superiors (the president), who will then be chewed up by the public... and so on.
There is always a chain of command and who's responsible for what. For this disaster, she wasn't to blame directly, but there is command blame and her even letting it come to this stage (the whole situation). But for bypassing the regulator, she didn't know it was being done, or if she knew, she wasn't trained to judge whether that decision is correct or not - that is on the man on the location leading the team of technicians.
i wouldn't fault dani for most of what happened... except that final bit when she personally leads the "deputized" folks on an unwarranted search of everyone's belongings, which implied they thought the striking workers were actually responsible for the explosion and are under suspicion of further sabotage. that's just complete and utter bs! literal fascism at work there... which is completely out of character for dani.
@@alveolateWhy? It was clear that the workers took the regulator - which IS against the law. You are free to protest and strike, you have that right. You DON'T have the right to sabotage an installation by removing its parts. That is textbook sabotage and the law does not protect you in that instance.
Also, she didn't deputize anyone, command on Earth did. Their job was to find out who are the saboteurs and to put a stop to it. Remember, those people were maintaining the entire base - who can tell what will be the end point? Maybe an air filter gets removed next for the top floor?
They were completely within their rights to go and search.
The thing is, and that is a fault of the writers, the way they did the search was wrong. Just throwing things everywhere, hardly even looking - that's how a search is done on a film to make it more dramatic - which IS utter bs. Also, a 5kg gas regulator is not going to be hiding between the books or in a food tray.
The scene is stupid, but there was nothing wrong in principle.
@@Wustenfuchs109 were they looking for the regulator itself, or evidence of the perpetrator?
So after they steal the asteroid, how long after that do they build the space ship that will take them to their new home planet, Caprica?
This is a series I need to check out.
My problem with the labor dispute was the nature of it. The big complaint was so many were hired to do higher paying jobs that were then suddenly cancelled because of the accident at the asteroid, and now having to do other jobs that paid less. That the contract would stipulate that option rather than just sending them back home seems stupid. Why keep a bunch of extra personnel in a place that's really expensive to keep people? Had to be cheaper to give them termination pay and send them home. But, then you wouldn't have the manufactured crisis to create personal friction between the main characters. Also rather surprised that Helios labor hadn't already unionized given the steady labor force on the moon.
1. The union labour on the moon was shut down, most likely because it’s easier to replace people on the moon. It was mentioned in the last episode.
2. Their two main complaints were lower bonuses (new pay structure meant that they would have to do 10x more work to get a 1/4 of the bonus) and that Goldilocks was being sent to Earth (which means they would only earn bonuses in that 10 week window they have)
3. Helios invested 150k in training and traveling of the workers. They will have to make that money worth it. Cutting short their employment would be a loss on their part.
@@danive89 Understood. Yeah, I had a problem with the moon/union explanation. If it were easy to replace skilled labor, there would be no union workers on oil platforms.
And yeah, the loss of Goldilocks is a hit on their future, as it is for anyone involved (which is why they're going to do what they're going to do). A lot was riding on the success of that first mission to the rock.
Well, we don't know what it costs to just keep a body on Mars in the FAMK universe. In reality, for a outpost that size, a lot more than the cost of training and the return trip and some termination pay. Every sol they are up there is a lot more money to pay out, not just in salary, but the cost of maintaining a large habitat in an extraordinarily hostile environment. Way more expensive than maintaining bases at the south pole. I just don't think the economics work out to support the plot they are trying to follow.
The founding of the Mars Congressional Republic. One day, cities and statues and universities on Mars will bear the names of Baldwin and Ayesha.
Can't wait for Season 6, when we find out this is the prequel to The Expanse
Wow! That episode went quickly. It was free of those awkward moments that have been a feature of this show since season 1.
I feel like this show is an unofficial prequel to the expanse
Well Apple has expressed an interest in buy the Expanse rights when they come up in January :)
thanks for not spoiling
With Ed I think he probably didn’t really know himself what he wanted here to begin with but know Mars is his home in his mind and he wants to stay
i wonder if Dev and Ed will wind up stealing Goldilocks, then sending a large chunk on to earth to process? Enough to cover the costs to upgrade Happy Valley ($20-$40 Trillion) while not causing the value to plummet due to flooding the market.
Dev said last episode he's never going back to Earth. I think it's more likely they're going to hold Goldilocks hostage for resources not just to expand Happy Valley and build that mining fleet, but to make Mars truly self sufficient. Maybe even politically independent (if not now then next time skip).
Once he has Goldilocks he's the gatekeeper of the future, but keeping his prize once he has it I think means stealing Mars with it.
I really hope we get some Oceans 11 film style and music to make the last three eps of the season into a heist movie.
Anybody got a link to the video that Pete mentions floating around on the internet webz?
I just went to grab the link for you and the video appears to be blocked now www.reddit.com/r/ForAllMankindTV/comments/18o4xi6/leaked_clip_of_episode_8_major_spoilers/?context=3
SPOILERS BELOW THE FOLD
It's a clip of the Dev talking to Ed and Sam intercut with the Astronauts discussing the details of the mission plans. Margo is telling the M7 they'll need to do a twenty-minute burn to change the trajectory and Dev's plan is to extend it to twenty-five minutes, pushing it into permanent Mars orbit. The simplicity of the change makes it seem a lot more doable.
I have to say the "twists" have not been anything I would have thought of at all. Forrest Gump going all Godfather, Margo gong back to NASA, and Dev and Ol' Man Ed becoming Mars Pirates Inc. I wonder if Pirate Ed will get his grandson to go on the heist with him channeling a little One Piece magic. Maybe if little Ed chomps down on some Mars rocks he'll get his gum, gum powers. Should be good for another twist.
So Ed and Dev will stay on Mars for the rest of their lives busy with goldilocks and the colony. Kelly will also stay with her son who thrives on Mars and she can do her research
The end of this episode felt like it could be the very early building blocks that would later evolve into the Mars Congressional Republic
The whole subplot with Ed and his grandson didn't make sense. The whole time the kid is like "where's Poppy?" "when is Poppy coming home?" And then he shys away from Ed when he finally gets there. Doesn't make sense.
Yea that ending with dmx was awesome
While midlife crisis gets talked about a lot, Ed is in an end of life crisis. The opportunity and fortune of youth are far behind him, his ambition to make a name not only dragged Tracy and Gordon to their death but also their son Danny(at least that how the show wants the characters to see things what the view wants is not relevant). Now at the end he wants their to be so ring that make all of his life truly worth it.
I laughed more than in any other episode.
Pete Peppers being unapologetically pro labor is probably the highlight of these last 2 breakdowns
I feel sorry for the workers who died...
Everyone else sucks.
They weren't (Helios)workers they were from the Space Agencies. They are Company Goons, basically soldiers for their Govs, they follow orders with out empathy for the workers, as we saw with them ransacking and ruffing up the workers. They are the tools of the oppressive system.
Thanks Pete.
to quote one of my favorite characters
"Way to go Ed Stick it to the bastards!"
I find it funny that one of the guys in that did the long tunnel crawl was named Bishop. Bishop in Aliens did a long tunnel crawl to the transmitter to remote pilot a ship down.
Birth of the first Martian congressional republic?
The thing is, Danny isn't in a position to negotiate with the Helios employees; she's with NASA. She can be pro-labor all she wants - or not - but it doesn't matter.
I agree that Ed's motivation is murky. And so is Dev's, though I think we are starting to see Dev's plan now. But both of them seem to be articulating something like Mars independence from Earth. If that is the kind of thing Ed and Dev are thinking about, I hope they do a better job of explaining this vision soon. Because otherwise this "something greater than themselves" is a big empty hole right now. Ed in particular seems of have got religion of sorts about Mars' future all of a sudden, without any particular signs of it before. Does he have a grand vision too? Or is Ed's motivation some combination of his typical pot-stirring and a nervous desire to be allowed to stay on Mars for the rest of his life ... a kind of retirement anxiety?
What we are seeing is a re affirmation of Ray Bradbury's "The Martian Chronicles". The late Dr. D James Kennedy once preached "I hope man never makes it to Mars! Because man will not bring civilization to Mars! Man will only bring sin to Mars!"
Everybody in the comments seems to be making the same "This is The Expanse prequel" joke/comment.
It's worth noting though that the time difference between the first settling of Mars and the establishment of the MCR (The Martian Congressional Republic) in The Expanse universe was somewhere in the neighbourhood of 200-250 years.
Also the socio-political dynamics are markedly different (most significantly the existence of a SINGULAR global government (The UN) that doesn't exist in either our real timeline or the FAM timeline, and which will likely never exist in either in any of our lifetimes).
That being said, they do have all the necessary ingredients like with Mars potentially becoming a major resource hub for a much valued resource in hub and (in all likelihood) likely to attract a lot of smart scientists and engineers, if they successfully "Steal" Goldilocks and pull it to Mars orbit. And in The Expanse, the MCR was founded and built on the basis of a lot of some of Earth's smartest engineers emigrating to Mars to establish a new society before eventually seeking independence from the UN Earth Government and being the most technologically advanced or driven nation-planet in the Solar System.
i knew dev had something up it's sleeve season 5 is gonna be awesome, also i think mars will become independent just like it happened in the expanse, also those kgb and cia agents are gonna be a real problem for dev
easily the most unexpected needle drop of the year.
I’m biased towards the workers (My union along with others are currently in negotiations for better wages and conditions. I might be on strike in January.) What I don’t get is why they’re nickel and diming them. If Goldilocks is the historical mother lode then get the rest of the M7 nations to pony up a cash advance to Helios. Surely they will recoup their money and then some. Whatever the workers are asking for is probably peanuts compared to the payout from the asteroid if it’s as valuable as they’re saying.
I also liked Dev’s test, but I would have probably not crossed the line as more of a “f-ck you” to Dev.😛
At the end when Dev revealed what he was planning, I thought to myself “and thus the MCR was born”😊
you can really tell Roland D. Moore is no longer the head of the show, a lot of characters are acting in ways that don't really make sense given their history up to this point
You expect mars will be their own colony one day but not this early in the timeline. If dev pushes too hard, US and Russia will eventually send a hard response to beat dev into submission. You can expect the eventual creation of US space force. Dev might old some cards but Mars colony still depended on earth for supplies.
Well.... x gonna give it to ya ;)
The birth of the Martian Congressional Republic!
Ed’s gon’ give it to ya
LOL It really is starting to feel like an alternative history of the The Expanse
Great Episodes, finally a good one😂
You know he put that sugar there and there are those ants from long ago... I wonder if they are still around.
This episode is really starting to make me wonder if my theory about this show could be true which is could For All Mankind be the precursor to The Expanse.
Did i miss something? How did Dev, Kelly and Alex get to Mars in such a short time? I thought it took months to make that trip - kelly even said she would school alex along the way. Did that all happen in the 7 days of the strike?
Agree the labor coverage was a little ridiculous at times. Also could Ed really become a union leader when he was still technically in an administrative management position? I mean I suppose labor law would be pretty different and complicated with interplanet space travel but still.... It's a pretty basic tenant that a manager can't be part of the union.
I know he got demoted but he was still in the leadership position which is how he found out about their salaries being nerfed. Anyway I like this show but they have some bizarre shortcuts like that.
And I agree, there was way too little sympathy for the workers reasonable demands about pay from Danielle.
Good
Snoop Ed will do the biggest heist.
9:41 Mars is gonna get the asteroid. We had a screw up on the first capture.
The 'Labor' side totally "crossed the line" when they put the suits outside and took the regulator. THEY are the ones responsible for the casualties. They compromised safety. If auto assembly line workers sabotaged the line and that caused someone to die, they would be thrown in jail.
Does Dev want to steal the asteroid for Mars or will he bring it to Earth? What's the plan? Is it really just finders keepers?
Dev has made it clear his trip to Mars is one way, for reasons unclear, hes never going back to Earth and plans to live his remaining days there. He definitely wants to keep the asteroid for Mars
Ed is a failure and he is still trying to do his one great thing, the astroid was his last chance.
Season 4 has been highly dramatic compared to season 3. If Dev declare an independent Mars colony, we might see a 3rd World War (or the First Space War) 😂
Really starting to like Eli, who really is giving that Thomas Paine vibe. I just want to smack Ed at this point.
And given their battles, you do have to wonder what was going through Margo's mind when she saw the name of the Molly Cobb Space Center. I guess that, in a way, Molly won in the end.
GTA is very different in this timeline😂
40% pay increase so bad, like i was expecting, 10m-20m for capturing the asteroid not.... not a couple 10's thousands. we saw miles pay it was 2600, but after paying for stuff he was making less then from home. so he was either making 26 x 12 or 26 x 24. which is 31,200 or 62,400....
another thing you half missed the explosion is big and does create problems but the casualties was seen a big deal/end of the world but presoives episode when 2 normal Helios workers were injured unseen it didnt cause no discusses on earth or by danny or mars management.. and apriotly thats common for the workers to be injured but when a couple astaunants are injured by the explosion end of the end, police mars now.
dev made the strike he lowered the bonuses before leaving earth. he did it so create conflixt/drama. my theory
that mars base should have hundreds of workers guess they coundnt fit all the extras in with the last scene.
that ep8 clip is public meaning ok to talk about
Even in an alternate universe the anti-union sentiments of corporate America are infuriating and the enabling of these interests by the government is egregious
But Dev don’t know he can’t fly
A prediction: the fight for the asteroid will put it on a trajectory to hit Earth instead of orbit it; Ed will sacrifice himself to take out Goldilocks. Happy Valley will be renamed Baldwin Mars Republic. We all tune into the Expanse to see how this plays out. 😃
I have no idea where this is going, but I'm over Ed.
You willing to put money on that?
@@seanharrison6719 absolutely not! None of my predictions have come true this season. 🤣
Do you Americans realize how ridiculous this whole anti-union and wierd contracting everything thing is for me and many Europeens?!
The woman with french accent, looking like an impersonation of Marianne, sabotaging the fuel installation is a nice bon mot.
And the last scene... well... X is the best soundtrack for such badassery.
Not half as ridiculous as the Soviets - now led by a hardliner who wants to take the country back to its Marxist-Leninist roots - siding against exploited workers joining together to fight back against capitalist oppression. Seizing the means of production, you might say.
Doesn't make any sense any of those injured made it back, let alone all of them, via that small tunnel.
they were probably certainly rescued after the explosion happened so they were no need for them to enter that small tunnel. I mean it was an emergency situation the workers must surely help in the rescue.
Who’s gonna feast on Earths sky and drink the rivers dry?
Who’s gonna stomp their mountains into fine Martian dust?
Till the rains fall hard on Olympus Mons?
Who are we?
I wonder how awkward it was to film this episode after the SAG-AFTRA strikes earlier this year.
Where was Miles during all of this?
Something I'm puzzling out is the exchange between Dev and Ed, where he goes, "are we clear?" and the response is "Crystal." This is the final exchange in A Few Good Men between the Colonel, (Nicholson) and the JAG, (Cruz) before the JAG gets the Col. to go off. A nod to the movie? A foreshadowing? It's got to be there for a reason...
Mission Impossible: Fallout has the same exchange. Maybe it's just a common response.
@@imonymous In that instance I took it as a callout to Cruz's earlier role.