500W CNC Spindle Test
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- Опубліковано 26 лип 2024
- In-depth test of Chinese 500W CNC spindle as an alternative to the Dremel. I build another Dremel CNC just so that I can test this spindle and I have to say that it is better than Dremel, but for some people, Dremel is still the best solution in my opinion :)
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@Samantha Briggs 2mm, single flute
For those saying he is spinning too slow, it comes down to surface speed and feed rate. Appropriate surface speed varies per material. Feed rate ensures that you actually produce a chip without "burnishing" the material.. This causes excess heat, and short tool life. High RPM means high feed rates. High feed rates means more torque for your steppers, more tool pressure, and therefore more stiffness required in the gantry and such. It is all a design tradeoff...
I like the video and I have always wondered about the air cooled spindles.. I have one of the chinese water cooled ones, and even at max RPM they are nearly silent.
Thanks a lot for sharing your experiences with this spindle! I'm also about to build my own CNC machine with this 500W spindle. Good to know I have to envision something more stable than I originally thought. :)
Great video. I can't wait for you to make a bigger CNC with rugged construction like you mentioned at the tail end of the video. :)
😂 I love your enthusiasm and curiosity. “It’s beginning to sound like a new project. 🤔 Maybe!”
so nice that you build this! as I saw your Dremel CNC video I was so impressed and started to build my own! then I see the same spindle on banggood and buy it! I don't have all the parts for my CNC machine but in maybe 2 months my machine is ready to mill! Thanks for the Tipp to use Nema 23 Motors!
Dude i love your CNC machines and it's trully the reason i am subbed to you :P keep up the good work
Thanks :)
Another awesome video. One day I'm going to get my cnc running properly
i got the same spindel and i loving it. I mill alu and acryl glas for pc distro plates and never had an issue!
Can't wait for the next one. Thanks for your videos
Thanks!
Hi Nikodem,
On a side note. You should definetly use a dust mask when milling MDF. It releases som toxic fumes(urea-formaldehyde) and also a lot of fine dust/particles. Also you should consider a ventilation system to ventilate the toxic fumes. One option is to enclose it and use extraction on the enclosure. Preferably leading the fumes/particles outside.
Other than that, great video :)
Daniel
NOT need if have dust vacuum head make to spindle.
I liked very detailed keep all future vids that way thanks
Amazing project! Thinking of making one for myself, keep up the good work :)
Thanks! Just do it :)
thanks that was really helpful, might just have saved me a lot of tinkering :D
you want to use a down cut, or compression endmill on wood so you do not rip the edge upward. this will result in a much cleaner cut. i also find with MDF both of these end mills leave the perfect amount of dust packed into the cut to hold a 1/8" profile cut in place without any tabs or tape to secure the cutout portion. some woods might work well with a straight flute endmill also.
For Acrylic you want an upcut so that the material is pulled out of the cut otherwise is will melt back into the channel
metal, an upcut is normally desired as you want to remove the material from the cut to prevent binding issues.
Totally awesome job on the builds. One thing i was thinking is maybe you could come up with a sleeve that would go around the jacket, or even coil some copper tube around the body of the new spindle (CPU thermal paste too?) and use a small water pump to cool it like the industrial CNC units ;)
Yes. Yes, that sounds like a new project :)
Now that you have a pretty good CNC machine, you should try to start milling alluminium parts to replace the 3D-printed parts.
You should have better results, as aluminium should be a lot more stable (even with the dremel).
and beef up those steppers.....nema 17....EEEK....
try to get some cast iron, it should be easy to mill, and much more vibration damping.
Thats what i did First
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european glasses are always so dope, spanish and italians like big thick frames, germans like those transparent frames
and this one is cool and thin, dope : )
Great video! And great project! I just build the dremel cnc and I'm wondering, your machining settings. You shared the ones of the new splindle in aluminum. Can you share the setting for aluminum and wood for the dremel?
Thanks, you helped me a lot
Great video....A new project with Nema 23 motors sounds very good! Thanks a lot!
Thanks! I hope so, this will be something special :)
nema 23 have cnc minimum motors can working good, no lost step. and torgue better minimum 3Nm
I love your channel,you're coolest guy🤘🤘 peace ✌
What an awesome project
Hello! Your channel is interesting and I'm wondering if a new version of this printer will come out! Maybe with nema 23!
Part of the problem with the wood appears to be the Endmills being used. You may want to use a down cut end mill with wood and use a upcut for aluminum.
I totally agree. Other factors are, I think, the MDF Nikodem used is not great quality; lots of fibre and not much resin, and the wood wasn't great either. It would have looked even better with a downcut bit, some nice wood like carvers use, and free-machining aluminium such as 6061. I don't think it's rigid or powerful enough for a compression bit. Great little machine to learn from, but like a lot of people, I am really looking forward to his new design.
I have a video where I show using blue tape, and how well it cuts (I use upcuts).
Hey. and you are going to put limit switches on the CNC ?? it would be convenient to determine the home points
These are some great results!
Thank you!
You should sell a kit of the Dremel CNC.
I'm sure people would buy it.
Great video. Keep up the good work.
Sell the code. 3D printing is too slow.
I like how Ryan at "Mostly Printed CNC" does things. He's open source, but has a store for parts if people wish to buy parts. People buy other parts from him if they wish and print their own printed parts.
Nice video. Are you controlling the spindle rpm via firmware or potentiometer?
Who said you can't teach an old dog new tricks? Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Great machine and great videos--thanks for that! I built one but used some of the other remixes on thingiverse (offset x-axis carriage to change the center of gravity). One thing i'm noticing though is there is quite a bit of play on the Y-axis bearings--is this just mine or did you notice it on yours as well? I find that as soon as the 500W spindle is loaded on, it pulls the carriage down and toward the front due to its weight.
Have you thought about making it multipurpose ? An adapter to swap out the Dremel/CNC spindel with laser would be a great feature so you could also laser etch with it.
Great work ! I’ve made your dremel cnc machine and I’m very satisfied but if you will create something greater then ... I’m waiting for! Good luck
Thanks!
Have you checked the spindle rotation direction, also you seem to be routing with the spindle a bit slow.
Hello Nikodem Bartnik
,
I love this project and I´m doing mine with a 500w Spindle.
I would like to know If you will create a vacuum support like the dremel have.
Thanks.
I think you can test to put epoxy resin into the printed parts ( in this case you have to use less infill ) what is the pitch in this acme screws?? Thanks
Been following you as I want to build one but you comparison of dremel vs spindle raised a thought.
would an airdrill be lighter and easer to control instead of electric spindle/drill?
Gracias por a clarar mis duda buen vídeo
I very impressed with this project. So did you address the resolution problem? Witch leadscrews did you put, with what pitch?
Excellente, i wil do the same tank lot
Would you mind making a video on how you set up the cnc.js?
Hi, I noticed that there's some gutting tool chatter on some of the surfaces that have been cut.Is this due to a too high feed rate of the stepper motor not being powerful enough? Or is there too much power for the hardware-constitution to handle? Great video!!
I've had experience with DIY CNC machines, I've picked up some broken leafblowers and repaired them to make an extraction hood. If it pleases you, you can also attach a heat sink and use it as a method of cooling the spindle
Keep on experimenting. That is how we learn :)
You know your talking to a college student right? Why the elementary comment?
Congratulations, it's a very good project. I would have a question, how many minutes is the cutting time of the parts that cut? Could you give information?
hello, what lead screws are you using now, thanks for answering
I remember something regarding the thousands of steps.....
Did you check you're microstepping settings on your controller? That might be the base of your problem. :)
Olá boy sou do Brasil...adorei seu vídeo... tenho uma router cnc com spindle de 500w...com motor de passo 15kg parece ser bom...oque você pode me aconselhar?
good job!!!!!
Great video. Ive been thinking of an interesting project where you build the CNC out of 3d printed parts and then use said CNC to mill the same parts out of aluminum essentially upgrading itself. Doesn't really solve your motor or unsupported rail issues but all the fixtures would be sturdier...
need supported SBR rails cheap and better, my cnc have SBR20 rails whit ball screws set cost 350$ ebay. size 1500x1500x400mm
Nikodem have you heard about hibrid step motor? They have a encoder.I think that you should consider it for future of this project.
I think you need to mount a vacuum onto the cnc near the bit. With all those chips building up it'll retain much more heat and the airflow caused by the vacuum will help to cool it.
How did you get that mount on spindle?
Mine seems too tight.
Hello! could you tell me how to connect the 500w kit to my cnc? i can't understand the wiring with the cnc
I JUST NOW ordered an "authorized refurbished" Makita rt0701c compact router for my MPCNC build. I saw a side-by-side comparison in their forums. I'll let you know how good it is. I have one of the older Dremels with the less ergonomic designs and so I'm hoping to use that one in the Dremel CNC. Because of the straighter casing, it MAY be easier to mount.
i has before makita router at spindle, worst option what i has test, after dremel, REAL spindle have lot better same cost but no noise and powerfull better,. i use 800W similar air cooler spindle what him uses video less than 150$ and lot better than makita has my cnc.
Im building a way larger machine than yours but I am also building a smaller machine like yours and appriciate you taking the time to compare both . Thank you
C’mon build a new CNC. Use yours to recreate the 3D printed parts. Keep going, nice vids
you can try two motors on each side of the leadscrew (turning in opposite direction!).. so eventually have 2 for x and 4 for y.. get motor driver extensions and drv8825 for higher violtage.. maybe 48mm deep nemas.. nice project btw :)
Nice upgrade! To prevent losing steps you could try changing the microstepping settings.
Thanks! Do you mean disabling it completely or just go half the max microstepping?
@@nikodembartnik I'm using x4 microstepping with 24v power supply, and nema17 have now more torque and I can go faster in rapids.
THANK YOU .
what kind of aluminium did u use? looks like it was nice to dry mill it.
What program do you use to make the Gcode?
It looks like the Fusion 360
Do you have the configuration you use to use with the GRBL?
Could you use this machine to CNC aluminum parts to make the bigger more powerful machine you mention towards the end?
Hello, have you meassured how powerful the spindle and/or the power supply are? Are they really 500W?
You can use dremelcnc to make aluminum parts for bigger 500w cnc, then use that to machine steel parts for even bigger cnc!
Hello from Russia! Thank you!
Those spindles usually have a lot of axial play, that's why I wouldn't use it a spindle. As a motor for a dedicated spindle, those are awesome.
For better results, and less "tear out" use down-cut spiral / rotary bits for wood.
For machining metals such as aluminum, it's better for hobbyists to use single flute end mills, this will allow you to run the spindle at higher speeds, and still maintain a decent chip load.
It's also a good idea to use coolant with hard metals, and lubricants / lubricating coolant with soft metals.
Soft metals such as aluminium will gum up in the flutes, and can "chip-weld" themselves to your end mill. This will eventually result in a broken end mill.
All that said.. I think what you're doing is pretty neat. Keep it up!
I have also seen people using alcohol to lubricate aluminium.
So that is also good to know.
Good video
It would be cool if you could make a new aluminium cnc with this cnc! I don't think it would be very practical but it would be nice to see!
What is the end mill name you use to cut aluminum. Can you share a link?
Is there a file for the adapter from the aluminum plate to the cnc? anyone have one.
Has anyone tried using nema 23's instead of 17's? I'm in the process of building one and wondering if should go ahead and try to use those. Do you think some sort of adaptor plate would work or would the parts need to be redesigned for the larger size?
Hi. what are the softwares you can recommend?
very nice
Hello Nikodem. About 3D Parts of your CNCs, Are these form ABS Filament?
No one's mentioned emissivity yet? :P
You can't just point an IR thermometer at a reflective surface (such as the aluminium clamp for your spindle) and expect to read anything close to an accurate temperature. In fact, with surfaces as reflective as aluminium, you're mostly going to be seeing the temperature of whatever's reflected in it! (eg yourself, the rest of the room, etc.)
Those thermometers only give accurate readings from totally matte black surfaces (but anything that isn't shiny will be fairly accurate).
Btw, you can get more powerful NEMA 17 stepper motors than the ones you're using there - you don't necessarily have to jump up to NEMA 23 :) E3D have a number of different NEMA 17 motors, including their "Super Whopper" motor. I don't know how easy it is to find those on AliExpress, though...
Agreed. NEMA 17s can easily drive a small machine like this. They have 92oz/in motors at the high end currently. A quick search for "NEMA 17 92oz" will find a bunch of sources.
We know.. those of us that know just shake our heads and let them be. Those cheap thermometers are all 0.95.
9:06 that's near perfect beatmatching
Well now you can at least mill the parts for the new machine :)
Jakie śruby zamówiłeś do tego drugiego projektu 8x1? W liście zakupów do dremel CNC jest śruba 8x2, jakich microstepow używasz?
Has you some problema of interference of spindle?
When I turn on the spindle, my stepper motors go crasy.
Did you used Carbide mills or HSS for Aluminium ?
Disable microsteps with the other lead screws. Also use a higher voltage with the steppers.
i think people have done tests and there is little loss of torque with microsteps (at least with drv8825).. plus it is quieter with more microsteps..
@@speesy but u dont need quiet motors if u have a noisy spindle attached, i mean its not a 3D printer anyway. so dont use microsteps or you lose torque you need for accuracy.
@@GrandeCalle yeah.. i guess you're right :) mo noise mo powah ;)
Why don't you use straight cut bit?
Amazing!!! What stepper model are you using???
minimum need nema 23 3Nm torque motors and biggest motor drivers etc, DM 556 or DM860
Please elaborate on the process you use to zero the z-axis at 6:13 in the next videos if possible. Wonderful video as always.
Thank You!
He already did, notice the little Z-axis touchplate he made from a regular PCB. He has a video on that which should explain the process nicely and show you how you can make that handy and cheap touchplate yourself. In short you just use a few crocodile clamps, one on the workpiece (if it is electrically conductive you don't need a touchplate) and one on the tool. The tool is lowered slowly down and when it touches the workpiece (or touchplate) it closes the circuit which the CNC controller can detect (just like it would for a limit switch). If you used the touchplate then you know that the tool when it made contact was 1.x mm over the workpiece (however thick the touchplate is), if you did not use a touchplate then when the tool touched it was at 0 mm above the workpiece.
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@@nikodembartnik Thank you so much!
have you thought sbout geared nema 17?
Hello, I also have such a motor (48V). It was working before, but yesterday, while scraping wood, the motor had a hard time and suddenly stopped. Now it doesn't work at all. I measured it with a multimeter. There is electricity (48V) at the output of the PWM driver and the positive and negative terminals of the motor are powered, but the motor does not move. What do you think might be causing the problem?
HI Nikodem Bartnik...I have de same Splinde...but, i have a (many) questions! Can you help me, please? What model of your stepper motor are you using? Would nema23? How many Kgf.cm?? Thank a lot for information and congratulations for your machines!
Just built this thanks for sharing.one thing is that you're machine seems to move alot quicker
Hi! What software do you use?
Regards
Getting rid of the brass nuts and 3d printed parts will stiffen up the chc allowing for faster feedrates and cleaner results. Check out delrin anti backlash blocks. Not expensive yet still quite good. Use compressed air to bliw away aluminium chips, that prevents gumming up the endmill. Using aluminium extrusions as frame is a step up, alliwing you to use bigger spindles and nema23 steppers. Cost quickly add up the more high quality parts you want to use like linear bearings and ballnut leadscrew and nuts.
hello
How many hours does it work non-stop these spindle?
why the cnc y axis is not working and showing alarm
So next step up should be spindle with 43mm collar like Kress or last Mafell FM1000 :) Then you can use thicker cutters 8-10mm. Good luck! ;)
For that I need bigger and stronger CNC. Maybe I am already working on one :) Thanks!
i like your machine and thinkig about bilding the same have you ever tryed pcb ?
Hi, ¿what dril (fresa) uses for cul aluminun ?
Suggestion put the CNC on soft plastic foam board (similar to packing used to ship 3D printers and Desktop CNCs) That should kill the high speed noise. Maybe 40-50 Durometer rubber would work.
Hi Nikodem! Would it be possible to change the 3d parts for the nema 17 to be able to use nema 23? I really like this project and I would like to build it. Thank you very much! Best regards from Germany
Looks identical to the spindle I bought, there is about a 4mm hole in the top under the black fan, that hole will allow dust particles in and will seize the lower bearing in a relativly short period of time.