500W or 800W spindle, which one is better for Mini Desktop CNC? Comgrow Robo CNC upgrades

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  • @ComgrowOfficial
    @ComgrowOfficial 3 роки тому +30

    Your analysis is really great! Aurora, we are surprised that you have been so thorough in your evaluation of this machine. The video is awesome.

  • @digitaldave7406
    @digitaldave7406 3 роки тому +3

    I am in awe of the quality of your productions!

  • @aps3000miki
    @aps3000miki 3 роки тому +7

    Do you actually realize how much info you packed in this video? You did put this machine in the exact right place. She will be quite useable for many materials and she will scream and shout if she has to cut alu. But still do the job to an acceptable degree. A great hobby and fun tool. A great educational tool. I agree with your spindle conclusion and now I want you to show us all the great things you can create with this simple, little, and cheap machine. Let's design in TinkerCAD and Fusion 360. Let her cut wood, plastics, foam, engravings, make jewelry, decoration stuff, circuit boards, lettering. Show us how to add a laser and a PVC cutter. Show us how she can become a 3D printer. You and Helios are an inspiration. FAN-TAS-TIC

  • @avexoidavex3577
    @avexoidavex3577 Рік тому

    Thanks to Aurora's parents for raising such a competent and talented child!
    Before the first use, any spindle should be run idle, without load, so that it runs in. Then there should be no offensive odors.
    The biggest problem with these spindles is bearing play in the housing. This affects the accuracy of the parts.

    • @vladnickul
      @vladnickul 2 місяці тому

      :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

  • @johandahlstrom5347
    @johandahlstrom5347 3 роки тому +4

    You and your brother make really good videos! I look forward to them every week! Keep up good work!

  • @h8510129
    @h8510129 2 роки тому

    omg thank you so much. I was almost ready to build a holder for a makita router and go down the rabbit hole of spending a lot of money for an upgrade. Looking at your results the 500w spindle can perfectly do what i want.

  • @imqqmi
    @imqqmi 3 роки тому +8

    Adding some cutting fluid and compressed air (about 1-2 bar) helps a great deal too. With such a non rigid machine there's only so much you can do. Light cuts, 1 flute 6mm cutting length endmill, high rpm (17000rpm-ish), 0.5mm doc, 500-800mm/min. Avoid slotting, make the slot wider than the cutter (ie 6mm slot with 4mm cutter) so that chips can get out better. Use ramps to plunge into aluminium instead of dropping straight down. Use aluminium alloys that are easy to mill, so no hardware store bought stuff but 6061, 5083, 7021 or other machinable alloys. If the aluminium is brittle it's probably easy to machine, if it just bends it's probably too gummy.

    • @klave8511
      @klave8511 3 роки тому +2

      Wow, great information with numbers too. Thanks!

    • @AtimatikArmy
      @AtimatikArmy 2 роки тому

      I think those recommendations are good, but the high RPM concerns me because if you get the aluminum too hot it will stick to the end mill and then you can forget about anything going right. I know high speed for aluminum is conventional wisdom but I think maybe that's not the best in this situation.

    • @imqqmi
      @imqqmi 2 роки тому +1

      @@AtimatikArmy that's why compressed air and some cutting fluid helps a lot to cool the cutter and the aluminium. Cutting fluid will lubricate the cutter so the aluminium won't stick as much and reduce drag, which reduce heat. Getting those chips out with compressed are avoids recutting and gumming up the cutter. At lower rpm the cutting forces increase, and with too much compliance will result in more heat as it rubs more than it cuts and deflects the cutter too.

    • @AtimatikArmy
      @AtimatikArmy 2 роки тому +1

      @@imqqmi Ok I understand you and totally agree.

  • @BigJohnno66
    @BigJohnno66 2 роки тому +2

    Great video. I wasn't aware of the Comgrow offering, but it looks much better designed than a 3018. You need at least a 300W spindle, ideally 500W, to advance from engraving to actual milling. I am surprised how well it is cutting, you are getting reasonable chips and the cutting area remains clear. A lot of the 3018 videos simply produce a fine dust. There are also brushless spindle motors available that will provide better torque at lower RPM than the ones you have.

  • @poppinpenguin0947
    @poppinpenguin0947 3 роки тому +7

    Amazing content like always! Purchased my comgrow this weekend can’t wait for it to arrive!! I would love to see a video about your steel structure CNC with the 2.2kw spindle!

  • @paulocallaghan8303
    @paulocallaghan8303 2 роки тому

    Love your videos guys! I have 2 daughters and you and your brother are an inspiration - hours and hours of accumulated knowledge experimentation and experience presented and articulated in 10 minutes of quality concise video and links - what's not to like. Keep up the excellent work. Something tells me your futures are bright, I've ordered mine.

  • @porterfielddynamics
    @porterfielddynamics 2 роки тому +2

    This machine is looking promising, I would love to see more potential improvements with cheapo linear rails but this is looking pretty capable so far.

  • @JohnHoranzy
    @JohnHoranzy 2 роки тому

    Excellent and concise video with important technical info instead of the common fluff.

  • @DennisMurphey
    @DennisMurphey 2 роки тому

    Another well done Video thank you both so very much. I have needed a Milling machine for train parts but off course a real mill is huge and expensive. I never dreamed we could see $200 CNC Mill tables such strong capability. I am selling my Fender Guitar amplifier to get one. I could never play very well anyway. I still have my self made Fender 5 watt clone converted from an old signal tracer. Thanks Again folks, excellent work. Dennis

  • @kirk5452
    @kirk5452 2 роки тому

    This is perfect, can't wait to try this mod. Already have everything I need but the motor!

  • @silmaz40
    @silmaz40 Рік тому

    Thank you very much for this wonderful informative video.. If I hadn't followed you, I would have bought an 800watt motor for nothing.. I will be a loyal follower from now on.

  • @Badge124
    @Badge124 2 роки тому +1

    What a great channel! The information packed into these videos is remarkable! Thanks for doing this!

  • @coxbow
    @coxbow 3 роки тому +4

    Very nice presentation ! Could you share the 500W spindle clamp stl ?

  • @jean-pierresedaghat3557
    @jean-pierresedaghat3557 2 роки тому

    Amazing content, detailed, clear, easy to understand, keep the great work !

  • @avejst
    @avejst 3 роки тому

    Interesting leaning curve 👍😃
    Thanks for sharing your experience with all of us 👍😀

  • @Lynetk
    @Lynetk Рік тому

    Just did the upgrade to the 500w - I removed the original lead screw mount using a soldering iron and just pushing it through very easily like you would do a threaded insert.

  • @vapoureyes
    @vapoureyes 2 роки тому

    You will go far .👍 so I’ve added you to my favourites.

  • @sgardner
    @sgardner 2 роки тому

    Genius. Great video. Looking forward to watching more.

  • @tarunarya1780
    @tarunarya1780 2 роки тому +1

    Having watched your videos, I wanted to say you are great. You are precise, succinct, detailed and innovative. I hope your channel grows a lot.

  • @freedomofsci
    @freedomofsci 3 роки тому

    My new favorite UA-camr

  • @andrewstambaugh8030
    @andrewstambaugh8030 2 роки тому +1

    Nice tests. I have a 10yr old 6040 table (water-cooled 800W spindle). I upgraded to flood coolant, and it significantly improved my cutting capabilities.
    I used a fountain pump and some screens to filter, water soluble machining fluid/coolant, a catch tray with raised sealed sides and it all flows down to a hole and into a rubbermade tote with a pump.
    Hand spraying coolant didn't even come close when I tried to do that for a couple projects early on.

  • @tgirard123
    @tgirard123 2 роки тому

    You're more than likely getting chip welding because you're not clearing the chips away. It's super important on these little machines that you clear the chips. A little air bursting will do the job or a good vacuum near the bit. Also, anchoring the aluminum with tape will work fairly well but you really want to have it physically anchored down. It's all about mass and vibration. Any kind of movement can really make it difficult to get a clean cut

  • @HyroDaily
    @HyroDaily 3 роки тому

    Super cool, I look fwd to messing with one of these.

  • @JBCUSTOMBAITS
    @JBCUSTOMBAITS 6 місяців тому

    Great content, 🎉 appreciate your time and dedication.

  • @JPToto
    @JPToto 3 роки тому

    I look forward to every one of these videos. Well done, as usual. This definitely helps consider my spindle options. The 800w spindle doesn't seem worth it. Thank you!

  • @GreenAppelPie
    @GreenAppelPie 3 роки тому +2

    I’m a bit surprised no lubricant is being used here. I was a machining out of high school for several days ears and always used lubricant on metal.

    • @TheM750
      @TheM750 3 роки тому

      You don't /really/ need cutting fluid for aluminum. It doesn't hurt, but it's fine to cut dry.

  • @tonywardle-winship5744
    @tonywardle-winship5744 Рік тому

    First a thumps up for your good work. I watched this video two weeks ago as I was expecting an 800w to arrive. So it arrived today with a 100v power supply. I installed on my own 3018 I build with 16mm linear rods on X & Y and liner rails on Z axis with Nema 23/24 steppers. I found it smooth running with little runout, even near 20Krpm. I don' expect it to run like my 1.5Kw spindle which is very ridged with 4 x bearings and more controllable via the VFD. I had similar problems to you a long time ago. You need rigidity and bigger steppers to have the torque for non ferris metal. The 800w motor does have replaceable carbon brushes if you want it, it should be ok, as the bearing are the same as the 500 watt. I wouldn't use it on my main CNC which has heavy use

  • @rsilvers129
    @rsilvers129 2 роки тому

    Your shopping list was useful.

  • @Lynetk
    @Lynetk 3 роки тому +2

    Great video as always. There is no link for the 500w spindle in the description.

    • @AuroraTech
      @AuroraTech  3 роки тому +3

      Thanks for reminding me, link just added.

  • @johnprosser2142
    @johnprosser2142 Місяць тому

    Thank you so much for your video! I have a Genmitsu 4040 pro which I have seen you using on your channel before and I am wanting to upgrade the spindle to make wooden bowls. I'm looking at some good quality 800 w cooled spindles and some 500, which do you think would be best on that machine and do you think either of those would be any good for making bowls out of hardwood please? Thank you very much in advance!

  • @PATRIK67KALLBACK
    @PATRIK67KALLBACK 2 роки тому

    Nice upgrades!

  • @barbatocedric4246
    @barbatocedric4246 2 роки тому

    It would be interesting to compare to BLDC spindle of the same power, it's more expensive but the torque curve should be better. You can find some from 300W-400-500W (0.4 to 0.6 nm 12K rpm), 600W (torque unknow 9.K rpm) up to 900W and 2N.m oftorque (6K rpm). Collet on these motor are from ER11 to ER20.

  • @danam664
    @danam664 Рік тому

    I enjoy watching your videos and reviews. These mods are too complicated for my needs. Can you recommend a reasonably priced stock built machine that will carve into aluminium and brass?

  • @marutiroma6295
    @marutiroma6295 Рік тому

    Hi Aurora, can you tell me how to remove the whole ER 11, not just the collet, from my Spindle 500? A thousand thanks. You and your brother are the best!

  • @999fugazi
    @999fugazi 2 роки тому

    Great content, thank you. Do you have any videos for your 6090 CNC you show in this video when discussing the water cooled spindle benefits? Couldnt see any in your channel videos list...

  • @paulurbanus3598
    @paulurbanus3598 10 місяців тому

    How do you secure the aluminum plate (to be milled) to the blue painters tape. In an earlier video you mentioned super glue. How is the super glue removed from the aluminum or acrylic workpiece? Of particular interest is removing the super glue from an acrylic workpiece without damaging the acrylic surface.

  • @ottospoelstra2481
    @ottospoelstra2481 3 роки тому +1

    The emergency twist return button is not meant to be used like this its an emergency stop button so its needs to stop the machine instead in combination with a relay you can use it as an emergency button

    • @E_y_a_l
      @E_y_a_l 3 роки тому

      she knows what this type of button is for, that switch doesn't originally belong to the machine, she needed a large switch and that what she had lying around so she used it.

  • @murilomarques3532
    @murilomarques3532 2 роки тому

    This its exquisite! Astonshing awesome hahah u are a little Genius ! Please i have a question ..
    I got a 3018plus 500w...and the PSU that came along with the kit seems too weak maybe or ITS getting too noise at the system since one minut of milling causes complet freezing ... Assuming i could take another DC 24v 5a Power Through Jack , can i keep the 48v10a PSU at the board ? Or It MUST be Wired separetadly ? A board can get Burnt with this both PSU adding voltage? can i minimize RISKS by lowering down main PSU voltage for 24V keeping 10a and plug another 24v5a Through Jack ?

  • @digiandhealth
    @digiandhealth 2 роки тому

    Hi, top video. could you provide the feeding parameter for the 500W spindel?

    • @AuroraTech
      @AuroraTech  2 роки тому +1

      For aluminum, I use 12,000 RPM at 100mm/min, 0.1-0.2mm depth of cut.

  • @FilmFactry
    @FilmFactry 2 роки тому

    Just what I wanted to know!

  • @carlospenagos1489
    @carlospenagos1489 2 місяці тому

    Hola, los spindle de 2.2 enfriados por agua sirven con nemas 23? E visto varias cnc dead de 800 dólares y sus nemas son solo de 23
    Hi, are the 2.2 water cooled spindles suitable for nema 23? I have seen several cnc dead of 800 dollars and their nems are only 23

  • @mpa568
    @mpa568 2 роки тому

    I have now seen a bunch of your Videos and decided to Abo. Thx for good content!
    How would you describe a conparism between this CNC and an 3018 max Metal, where all parts are Aluminium?

  • @zouna007
    @zouna007 2 роки тому

    Great video! How much would you say an entry level desktop CNC that can mill aluminum costs? (One that doesn't meed any upgrades)

  • @evansmott461
    @evansmott461 2 роки тому

    I find your videos excellent. In this video you mention a machine that uses a 2.2 kw water cooled spindle
    have you reviewed that machine ?

  • @Noorimachinery
    @Noorimachinery Рік тому

    Good job 👏 10:17

  • @tinkot
    @tinkot Рік тому

    The problem you are facing is because the spindle is not balanced due to issues with the fan. I have been using this spindle for a couple of years and once you get the fan balanced it will run considerably quiter up to completely quiet, there are video's on youtube that explain how to do that. I took the time to redesign the fan to have a true center of gravity, you can find this part on thingiverse under the name 'Chinese 500w Spindle Fan (100% Balanced)'

  • @woozleboy
    @woozleboy 3 роки тому

    I'm ready to place orders for the parts listed, and this looks to be ideal, but not having the STL file for the mount is a stopping point. Would you be willing to share that file? You've such a great job in this presentation and your work is greatly appreciated.

    • @AuroraTech
      @AuroraTech  3 роки тому +1

      Please download from here:
      auroratechchannel.com/download/Comgrow_Robo_52mm_Spindle_Mount.zip
      I have included the STL, STEP and Fusion 360 format, so you can adjust the leadscrew nut hole according to what type of nut you have.

    • @woozleboy
      @woozleboy 3 роки тому

      @@AuroraTech Excellent! Your efforts have been fantastic and greatly appreciated.

  • @wolfrobots118
    @wolfrobots118 Рік тому

    You are brilliant

  • @MicrobyteAlan
    @MicrobyteAlan 3 роки тому

    Very nice video, thank you.

  • @yancymuu4977
    @yancymuu4977 3 роки тому +1

    Really fantastic work! As you mention the stiffness should be better with the shorter gantry. I believe stiffness is proportional to the square of length. So 18 cm should be almost three times stiffer than 30 cm with same size support rods. Your video has given me the idea of designing some sort of substantial solid reinforcing parts to surround the ends of the 3018 rods and make them immobile. That is convert a 3018 to an 1818 --- giving up size in trade for stiffness. I would like to be able to machine aluminum with my 3018, and have already upgraded to a 500 watt spindle. Is there any possibility you could try out this idea? --- thanks

    • @AuroraTech
      @AuroraTech  3 роки тому

      There is a CNC1310 in the market, but I am not sure what makes it so expensive:
      amzn.to/3o1nxS4
      I would consider it if it costs around $200-$250, but not sure if the 500w spindle has enough X-axis travel on such a small machine.

    • @yancymuu4977
      @yancymuu4977 3 роки тому

      @@AuroraTech I will create a concept and make a drawing. I can put it on my google drive. I would much appreciate your thoughts on building something with aluminum or 3D printing.

    • @E_y_a_l
      @E_y_a_l 3 роки тому

      @@yancymuu4977 You don't need to trade up size, just replace the rods(and the bearings) with thicker ones.

    • @JohnHoranzy
      @JohnHoranzy 2 роки тому

      @@AuroraTech It is a cute machine so it is expensive :- ) It has an excellent design and would be very rigid but the deal breaker is that you are locked into a basic 775 motor. Maybe they feed it 36 volts and get 90 Watts out of it. Maybe. But as one poster stated you would have to rebuild the Z axis to put a lager diameter motor on it. Otherwise, it seems woefully under powered for such a rigid frame. I had seriously considered this machine but then bought a 6090 2.2KW machine.
      Comgrow has done everything right with this machine. I will be purchasing this little one because it is portable and can be used for training purposes.

  • @AM-ob7yi
    @AM-ob7yi 2 роки тому

    did you balance the fan on the spindles? i was told that the vibration can be reduced by balancing the fan.

  • @dbaker059
    @dbaker059 2 роки тому

    With the 500 W spindle upgrade and a carbide tip would this set up be adequate for brass applications?

  • @pierregelinas9120
    @pierregelinas9120 2 роки тому

    Hi , you are amazing at your age being such knowledgeable, I've got a question, i have the same Setup but where do you plug the Relay on the Comgrow mainboard? I've tried a few with the said relay plug on the board and played with the switch but can not control the motor with the relay but still can start the spindle...directly

    • @AuroraTech
      @AuroraTech  2 роки тому

      Hi! Just connect the relay to the original spindle connector, when the machine tries to turn on the original spindle, it's going to trigger the relay instead.

    • @pierregelinas9120
      @pierregelinas9120 2 роки тому

      @@AuroraTech kk i m going to try it again ,Dear , but I d think I have tried it .. but hey ill go and try it later , thanks for a fast reply!

  • @luckylarry5112
    @luckylarry5112 2 роки тому

    Could you tell me the dia. of the x axis blue bushing? Thanks, I liked and subbed. Great vids!!!

  • @LostCloudx4
    @LostCloudx4 3 роки тому

    Awesome video...
    But AHHH Lubricant even water for alloy :D

  • @666nacirema666
    @666nacirema666 2 роки тому

    id really like to get one of these but i need something that has at least 255mm of work area for both axis. i could do a lot with one of these still. id buy one in a second if they made an extension kit for it

  • @1FishinAddict
    @1FishinAddict Рік тому

    Have you tried 500w brushless motor ? It’s super quiet

  • @mahiralsarsour-ib4xv
    @mahiralsarsour-ib4xv Рік тому

    Can you sent a specified characteristic about the nema 17 48mm stepper motor??

  • @crozwayne
    @crozwayne 3 роки тому +3

    Spray a little WD40 on to lubricate the cutter

    • @TheM750
      @TheM750 3 роки тому

      WD-40 isn't a lubricant. Try Tap Magic or A9, either would work well in a setup like this, although with 6061 and such light cuts on a machine like this, it's not really needed. A compressed air stream to clear the chips and provide a little cooling to the endmill would be ideal.

    • @crozwayne
      @crozwayne 3 роки тому

      @@TheM750 Its a well known fact to use WD40 on aluminium as a cutting fluid, it prevents BUE forming due to welding taking place between the carbide (or HSS) end mill

  • @jdduncan
    @jdduncan 3 роки тому +1

    What percent of infill did you use for the spindle mount?

  • @MrMorgalis
    @MrMorgalis 3 роки тому +1

    hi there nice video , ordered a comgrow also.
    i will do the 500w spindle upgrade too; is t possible to get your stl file?
    thanks in advance

    • @AuroraTech
      @AuroraTech  3 роки тому +2

      Please download from here:
      auroratechchannel.com/download/Comgrow_Robo_52mm_Spindle_Mount.zip
      I have included the STL, STEP and Fusion 360 format, so you can adjust the leadscrew nut hole according to what type of nut you have.

    • @MrMorgalis
      @MrMorgalis 3 роки тому +1

      @@AuroraTech Thanks my cnc comgrow arrived in 5 days , pritty fast. doing some tests already. Now i need to wait for the 500w spindle, but i saw some revieuws about an 300w one that should be enough for cutting aluminium. less noice, vibrations ....
      anyway thanks for the file and keeo up your good work

  • @lachlanlander6002
    @lachlanlander6002 Рік тому

    as far as I can tell by the dimensions of the 800W spindle is just an overclocked 500W spindle

  • @comeoutandpla
    @comeoutandpla 3 роки тому

    Would this be capable of engraving hardened steel to about .005”

  • @ТотКтоГоворитМногоНеГоворяНиче

    Спасибо за полезную инфу.👍

  • @neffk
    @neffk 5 місяців тому

    At 8:49, the chips on the plate (far from the cutter) are dancing around. I think the aluminum bed is too flexible.

  • @miragebleu5055
    @miragebleu5055 2 роки тому

    thank you very much.. but spindle is Currently unavailable!!!!

  • @Loochy808
    @Loochy808 2 роки тому

    Can anyone explain to me how the lead screw installs? Are we taking the longer piece with the two screw holes into the notched top half, and then inserting the spring followed by the other half on the other side?

    • @Loochy808
      @Loochy808 2 роки тому

      Ohhhh.... you dont use the spring and the bottom half do you?

  • @ebe-hero7052
    @ebe-hero7052 3 роки тому

    I wish you would make some something 3d. Like a simple smartphone prope carved from wood would be nice.

  • @garretthaney9134
    @garretthaney9134 2 роки тому

    ....some kids get all the best toys.

  • @lookin4ward1
    @lookin4ward1 3 роки тому

    Screw nuts sold out?

  • @pir869
    @pir869 2 роки тому

    why not mill the face with a fly cutter,it would be faster by making each pass cut wider,even two passes to get a full clean face should be faster than multiple small tool passes,i'm not knocking your method,i'm using proper engineering methods to face off a milled part.
    A machine shop could knock out a small fly cutter for you as the ER11 series collet might be hard to get off the shelf fly cutter shank sizes,would be worth the effort though as it could have replaceable indexing carbide inserts fitted.
    Looks good,i'd go for a bit more power on the spindle seeing this one cut the plate as i'm planning a 1m square mill,the bearing rails are 1m long so nearly 1m square,all steel welded frame,but a powerful spindle can make new gantry side plates to replace heavy welded steel parts from thick aluminium plate.
    I recommend everyone using a small mill with ideas to upgrade the spindle to watch lathe and milling youtube videos "this old tony" and "nycnc" are top notch tubers,as the principles are the same ,and a good spindle will be able to utilise better cutting tools and methods.

  • @landonhillyard
    @landonhillyard 2 роки тому

    Now cut a spindle mount from aluminum!

  • @peerrucke2599
    @peerrucke2599 Рік тому

    dude...temps are rising why is there no cooling fluid

  • @stephan.scharf
    @stephan.scharf 3 роки тому +1

    Your channel is growing and growing and I definitely don't know why ... LOL

  • @djoleat
    @djoleat 3 роки тому +1

    i use 800w and just slow down power to 500 😉

    • @klave8511
      @klave8511 3 роки тому

      Sounds like the 800W spindle is just a 500W spindle made to run faster than it should.

    • @djoleat
      @djoleat 3 роки тому

      @@klave8511 it is bigger, stronger, more power motor, and work on slow speed is easy for it, and best option for that

  • @donaldhollingsworth3875
    @donaldhollingsworth3875 3 роки тому

    The only thing I would add is using a ball end end mill making a cleanup .010 pass to cleanup your surface finish.

  • @seancsv
    @seancsv 2 роки тому

    Maybe the 800W moter needed some balancing. Check out Matt Wall's video ua-cam.com/video/ZsAEgR7S2tE/v-deo.html

  • @guser210
    @guser210 2 роки тому

    Neither, a 600W is better the shaft is thicker and more rigid than those two.

  • @ПетрикПьяточкин-ц9н

    Отличная попытка. Хитро.

  • @ricaurandt6713
    @ricaurandt6713 2 роки тому

    What happened to Bobby n his propane n propane accessories Dad next door? Shouldn't you be involved in some kinda school play or a Christmas Pageant or somethin?

  • @MattJonesYT
    @MattJonesYT 2 роки тому

    The "AuroraTech" discount code is not working on the comgrow site.

    • @AuroraTech
      @AuroraTech  2 роки тому

      Yes, their price went down from $259 to $229, so the discount code is no longer available.

  • @sofghost6663
    @sofghost6663 Рік тому

    Do you have a link to the .stl for the spindle mount?