Which LCD is best? Negative or Standard?
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Negative or 'Reverse' LCD displays are very popular across the digital watches on offer today, but are they better than the more traditional standard LCD?
I thought I would measure the actual viewing angles and find out which wins for legibility and clarity, and by how much.
Watches tested here are -
CASIO G-Shock GW-B5600BC-1BER
CASIO G-Shock GW-M5610-1ER
Here is the link to the GWB G-Shock (my pic for most features for least cost) • G-Shock GW-B5600BC = M...
By the way I just did one of these including the new MIP negative display type-
ua-cam.com/video/RgFUZzl8qgU/v-deo.html
thank you ! :)
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I have one of both. The positive display is so much easier to read from any angle compared to the negative display.
Negative display just looks so badass though.
Agree.
Same. Agree.
At night with the auto light. The negative is easier to read
Negative looks way better. Positive is better at everything else.
Ganz meiner Meinung
Lol
Blasphemy.
My thinking.
Red negative 👌
Its about priorities, to look cool or to read the time without squinting.
Nice one
I still can't choose.
i'll pick to look cool anytime.
i mean watch is a piece of jewellery. if you want to tell a time, phone might do a better job nowadays
I look cool naturally---I don't need a watch to help with that
To be fair Clint Eastwood squints all the time. And he’s pretty cool. ;)
I love the look of the negatives but practicality wise the positive just has to take the biscuit. Fantastic video and ingenious yet simple method of testing. Great work...
Thanks. Yep I think I was just confirming what everyone knew. But nice to see it in numbers to be sure.
Standard is easy to read ... but Negative is cool !
We all know which has better legibility. However, I watched the entire video and found it very engaging and informative. I really like objective and scientific approach you used. Great job.
Casio should allow positive/negative display via a menu option
It doesn't work like this. It's not a digital option, yet.
Its hardware
@@ImTheWildAngel i think he meant casio should have +/- display version for every watch while buying online
If you had an original gameboy or gameboy pocket non colored, you were able to adjust the contrast of the screen. Casio can definitely add this feature.
You have reason. In this watch Suunto you can invert the display via menu: ua-cam.com/video/gsCTd6A5mzA/v-deo.html I don't know why Casio doesn't add this feature in all digital models.
I got the negative display recently, idk about everyone else but I tend to look at my watch straight on if I’m checking the time and I’ve had no problems reading it. Great watch and I prefer the look.
Same whenever people say that at certain angles u cant see it, yeah its true but i never look at my watch from weird angles i flip my wrist parrallel to my face
Aside from low light conditions I definitely agree. I worked nights for a little while and I noticed the negative display was terrible at night, in a parking lot for example. However the backlight solves this problem so it's not a big deal. Either watch is perfectly fine if you ask me.
@@noegmad Exactly. Even with mechanical watch I always flip my wrist to see time rather than try to see it when the watch arm is extended to do something. The only benefit from the better viewing angle I can think of is if you try to let someone read your watch screen
No one else will see my PRECIOUS TIME on my NEGATIVITY WATCHES MVA-HA-HA-HA!!!
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Haha
Yeah, not even you.
@@tube4waldeklol 😂
That’s an argument!
I can't believe I haven't come across your channel before! This is really helpful, planning on picking up a dw-5600 series and have been wondering about this very question.
Nice to hear my test was useful. :)
The jazz drum solo made this video so much better! Been playing jazz my whole life. Thank you!
💥 That was fire lol!
I just like the way a negative display looks. I’ve never had any trouble reading it in any circumstances, and it gives me all the 1980’s Sony Hifi amp display vibes I need.
That drumming though...
I know man, it's fekn great. Any idea who it is?
Lo-Fi i wish i knew man.
Sux
Its kinda neat how the thumbnail led directly into the video. I'd like to see more of that on youtube.
The tilt viewing angle is the most important but they always show just a left right pan in the adverts online. Ive been disappointed several times by watches that need a precise wrist rotation to view the time, usually due to the display but sometimes also due to a very recessed face with a protective ridge around it. Always preferred positive and now I have the science to back it up. Great video.
I've got the standard LCD Casio DW5600 which is my swim watch. I was thinking of getting the negative display, but I was curious about being able to read the negative display while underwater or while turning between laps. Although your review didn't directly address my question, it did answer it. The standard display would be better. THANKS FOR THE REVIEW!!!
The most scientific tests on watches viewing angles I've seen on UA-cam. Oh, Bothly got me there 😄
I am now glad I have the GW-B5600-2ER arriving in 2 days. A friend had an older negative display G-Shock that was horrible. The technology has come a long way since then. Mostly, I am looking forward to the new module. Thank you for a thorough comparison.👍
I have both of these watches. I actually have over 125 Casio watches and G-Shock watches. I prefer the look of the negative display , especially when the display is in various colors.
I have the exact negative display model. It has never been a problem to look the time.
Welp there you have it folks
It never was a problem, it just has a much smaller angle of visibility compared to positive, like this video showed.
Much smaller angle of visibility ≠ problem, @@Digital111 .
If it was a problem, then you would have something to talk about, but you don't so essentially you could shut up, and contribute the exact amount of wisdom you just contributed 👍
@@explorerextraordinaire5472 Exactly
@@explorerextraordinaire5472 how about piss poor performance in anything less than perfect lighting conditions?
I only have one negative display watch, and it's a customization I did myself in about 15 minutes or so. It's on a base model G-Square, the DW5600. While the bezel was off, I decided to also remove its white print and I swapped out the chrome buckle and tongue with a black set.
Personally, I love how it turned out, and it had exactly zero learning curve.
While I was lining up my polarizing film, I found the point where it was in negative and had the brightest segments, then I backed it off a few degrees to darken the segments a little. If I thought for one second that I could do it successfully, I would replace the chrome pushers with black ones, but I already know that I don't have the manual dexterity or the patience for that level of detail. I'm pretty sure I could remove the E-clips and replace the pushers, but there's no way I'd be able to reseat the clips. I decided to leave the lettering under the crystal alone. After I had everything reassembled, I installed a black JaysAndKays BullBar.
Again, I love how it turned out, and it gets more wrist time than all of my other watches combined.
This test is awesome! I massively respect people like you who put the time and energy in make a vid like this.
You hit the nail on the head at the end of this video by the way: you kind of choose between form/looks and practically. I'm torn between 5500bb and 5610 (positive display). I prefer the look of the 5500bb but 5610 beats it from the functional point of view.
Anyway thank you for this video I found it really helpful.
I have both the the GW-B 5600, but I have the GW-N5600U with the upgraded module and screw back cover. Love them both, plus I have the GW-9400 Rangeman.
Great video! Thank you for taking the time to investigate this for us. I did not know there was a problem with the Casio negative display until UA-cam told me…. I have always enjoyed both types of displays.
(3:25-5:42) Drummer here 🖐️ Just admiring this beautiful n' peaceful drum solo! I can definitely fall asleep to this haha!
Always felt that negative displays were for aesthetics not really for practicality. Thank you for quantifying it in this video.
This was exactly what I was looking for. Thank you.
Glad it helped. I did an update with the new MIP display option.
See that on my channel.
Was going to aim for a negative, but thanks to your awesome detailed comparison video, guess standard is the way to go for me. :)
Thanks for the test. as someone who is visually impaired, I was concerned about the offerings of some of the Casio watches being only Negative display as I never owned such a watch before. I'd rather have whatever I'll be able to see best. So it seems like traditional positive display wins out. The negative display looks cooler but does seem to sacrifice clarity.
Im glad my silly test actually is helpful for real world situations. :) good to hear, thanks.
Congratulations by the kind of test that you performed. Very helpful.
Although many people claim that the 5610 with the negative screen is worse than other negative GW models.
Finally, we know the question for which 42 is the answer!
XD “The ships hung in the sky in much the same way that bricks don’t.”
You’ve reminded me I need to dig out my Douglas Adams books again.
Negative puts more effort and struggles to get reading quickly
Bought a negative just for a change. Took it back after a week as it was more difficult to read.
Great testing method. I prefer the positive display, for legibility and authenticity to the original DW-5000C.
Depending on the type of use of the watch determines what I would prefer. I have both. I have some watches were I bought the same model with one using a negative screen and the other being a normal screen. Then I can choose what I want...
It is obvious the regular screen is a lot easier to see and use than the black screen. We can say the negative screen is more of a private type of watch.
I agree with most here. Negative has the cooler look, but the poorer visability. Also, what about the battery on negative? Always felt it was using more artifacts of the display than the standard does?
Great info . That is exactly what i was looking for . Unfortunately , the model that i liked did not have a positive display , so had to settle with the negative display one .
Not a silly test at all. I think about doing the negative display mod on my new casio F91-W but now I think it's more functional with the standard LCD. Thank you for the demonstration!
As of this date, 58 people don't know how to tell time...Great video by the way. I prefer negative but depending where I'm working and the time of the day, the standard will suffice.
Your graph colors should be reversed as the "negative" display is darker and vice versa. But great review and technique. With the auto backlight, I think the difficulty in viewing the negative display are mostly irrelevant. For the stealth look, I think it's worth the minor inconvenience in the situations where the light might not help.
For me, a negative display should always come with tough solar. Most of the times you need that illumination to see the time and illumination drains battery. Looks cool, but as an adventurer I will always use a positive display on my watches.
Well if you think about it a negative without solar could mean more adventure
Small point still: The neg display Bluetooth watch can be configured for a 4 sec backlight. WIth the tested pos display watch, the backlight time is only 1.5 sec. I find it difficult to read with 1.5 sec backlight. Just my 2 cents.
Yep agreed. 4 secs feels just right. Less seems annoying.
I bought a Timex Ironman that was negative. After driving away on the highway, I realized I couldn't read it with my arm on the steering wheel. I immediately returned it and never went back
Same here totally agree
Excellent review mate. Best video on internet. Negative vs positive... Thanks
It is actually a 'hiding time from nearby person" feature.
Hiding from the self too😂
Yeah, a very neat feature if I must add.
Hate when all those pesky folks come over to me like, ‘hey mate, can I get the time?”. Some even take the piss and actually lean over to read my time!
Arrant nonsense!
Everybody has a cell phone tho
I haven't has a person ask me the time in 15yrs or so!!
Wow man. The entire internet watch community has been desperately needing this video for years. Bravo!! Sense of humor is on-point as well
This is by far the best comparison I have ever experienced in watch videos. Thank you ❤️❤️
thanks! Literally just uploaded a new G-shock vid by the way - ua-cam.com/video/wj5nQOdzbKw/v-deo.html
Function over fashion. I dislike negative LCDs.
Thanks for the excellent scientific contribution!!
Edit: I just realized that negative LCDs could be better on analog-digital watches to make the hands easier to read.
I chose the negative display not because of the display itself per se, but because the positive display model has no bluetooth. If the normal display model had had bluetooth, I would in fact have bought that one instead.
"testingssszzz"
I can tell you had fun making this video
Negative is best overall for looks and makes it stand out less, in a good way. I have zero visual problems.
I've got a GXW56 coming, and I was looking at inverting the negative to positive, but you made me feel a bit better about the negative display. Maybe it'll be okay. Negative displays are nice for dual analogue/digital watches, but pure digital just looks wrong, in my opinion. I've got a dual display Seiko Sportura SNJ005, and that would look awful with a positive display.
Hey! I hear Betula Lenta (Shahar Haziza) in your video! Great drummer. Also your review. Thanks.
Nov. 30. Just picked up a Neg veiw screen G-Shock like the one you have in the video
Been using the standard one for 20 years.
If I want that 1980s look - the positive. For that slightly shady, a bit calmer, modern look - the negative. Fuckit, I always thought the negative ones looked like the LCD broke and liquid spilled inside. I'll take the 80's.
The AWGM100B is blacked out and has a negative screen. I can't see shit at night. The only complaint I have of that watch
Press the light
Thank you so much so making this video! You have really helped me. Honestly thank you
Thank you for your time, effort, and clarification 👍👍
5:10 does the negative display emit less light? If so, it could be useful in protecting night vision & light discipline.
note also i wear polarized sunglasses and it blacks out the negative display
Ohh. Never thought of that.
Negative is pure style. Love it more. Love using my back light
Gwb 5600 has auto light function.Helps a lot.It is turning on during the day,if you are in some dark room
Awesome video!! The final review I was looking for. Thanks!!!
Very interesting test. Can you do this test between digital display and mechanical watch?
You mean a analogue display and digital?
Too many parameters.
Zillions of different handsets, dial colours glass types (domed with distortions etc)
Different materials.
Lume. Etc etc.
At least with digital LCD there is only a few basic types.
Positive for me always.
Sadly, i even have a hard time reading the positive display half the time. I need something similar to the display on the kindle paper white tablet. That is slick.
Try this one. Super clear screen with bigger digits.
Recommended for failing eyes.
(I’m going to need glasses for close up soon)
ua-cam.com/video/6AX1lwQTMA8/v-deo.html
@@biscuitsalive Thanks, that does look better. After I posted my comment I bought this, for $20 I figured I couldn't go wrong lol.
ua-cam.com/video/Fit8RtaDp7I/v-deo.html
i have both. negative display for outdoors. Clear screen for indoors.
And you Change watches all time?
I have the Adrenaline Red GW-5600 (red negative screen w/ red backlight) and I love it. No problem reading it except in low light.
I like positive but when I can see the negative it sure looks good.
Nice demo for wanting to know the cons of looking cool with negative lcd .
The first 25 seconds of the video were pure gold 😂😂
Just my opinion of course, but I think the negative display is marketed toward "tacticool" civilians, whereas the positive display is much more practical for actual use, civilian or military.
I think that’s a fair assessment.
Great comparison. Some of the newer Negative displays on higher end models perform much better, namely the GPR-B1000 and GWM-B5000 series.
The gwb has improved a fair bit over the cheaper g shocks. (More solid and crisp looking)
But I’m have a look those ones you suggest, thanks.
The higher end models have the STN displays which are a bit nicer and more legible than the standard negative ones.
yep, they are clearer, but as i said at the start of the vid i wanted to compare apples to apples with similar priced watches. technically speaking the GWB does cost more, and has improved neg display to the lower end G-shocks... but either way, i also compared the metals displays side by side with my gwb (in the shop don't own a metal) and there was a difference in legibility... but it wasn't a huge difference IMO.
biscuitsalive Interesting, and thanks for this rigorous laboratory testing as well. Lots of conjecture around but I think you’re the first to really quantify it.
Have you compared lower end g shocks with the GWB side by side in the hand? I hadn’t realised the negative display may be somewhat improved.
f2013 I only handled the high end metal in the shop. So only a half decent idea of the difference. They are clearer (on the slightly different module) but it’s still a LCD. And I think the fundamental issue with negatives is the light shining through to the backplate.
With negatives the “window” or gap, is always going to be smaller. So less light gets through to reflect back and to give contrast.
So unless it’s got a permanent back light this is always going to favour the standard LCD. (For contrast and clarity.)
It has to be said that Timex has got extremely wider view angles. I don't know if they set a task to achieve those angles but it's stunning how far they gone with it. At least on their Shock series with positive display.
Shock series? Not trying to copy G-Shock name just a little bit???🤣
I have a Timex Marlin. It's my main dress watch.
Negative display just make me dizzy 😂😂
I notice you failed to do a low light test. The angles are important, but how visible the screen is during different lighting conditions is for more relevant imo. You can control the angles since the watch is on your wrist, but you cant always control the lighting conditions. I understand there is a backlight, but it is not impossible to find yourself in a situation where using the backlight would be inconvenient or possibly even dangerous if you are law enforcement or military.
Yep I agree. That would have been useful.
The visibility is easier in low light with a standard display.
But of course in very low light you have the backlight. Which then levels the playing field.
Remember both those specific watches have an “autolight” function, so the back light comes on automatically when you tilt wrist in dark conditions.
In theory, negative looks cooler to me. But in practice it's much worse performance.
Casio fixed this with the newer Casio (GBD 200) which has much more powerful readability on black screen.
04:57 you can change the amount of time the light stays on. I believe it is by holding the "LIGHT" button for a few seconds.
Thanks for sharing with us the experiment results. I did a test myself because there is a newly released casio watch AE-1500WH-1A vs AE-1500WH-8B and I like to find out how negative display fair during low light condition. I workout in a stadium around 5 plus in the morning hence there isn't much lightning until 6:30am. Also I ended my workout around 9am hence under bright sunshine positive display fair better, and some workouts like when doing plank exercise, I need to view the watch at an angle Hence I guess AE-1500WH-1A will be the right choice for me.
The GBX100 has an amazingly clear legible screen.
(New MIP technology)
I don’t like the style as much as the classic square. But it’s super practical-
ua-cam.com/video/6AX1lwQTMA8/v-deo.html
That’s really helpful. Maybe it’s just my wrist but I find it quite a strain to tilt my wrist far enough for me to look directly at the watch face so it’s important to me that I be able to read the screen at about a 45° tilt
Got both, love both, still can't pick a favourite :)
It’s certainly a nice problem to have isn’t it. :)
In the big scope of life a few degrees here or there will never be noticed. Cool vid
I have both, the 5610 is my beater watch.
A couple of questions:
Is there a difference in the length of the battery life?
When the battery dies on the (or is removed) on the negative watch, is the display all dark or all light?
Thanks for answering my first word problem question!
One thing you may consider is sometimes you need a discreet way to look at your watch for the actual time.
That’s a sick drum solo at 4:00
What song is this ?
I love the auto light on my negative display negative screen
Great video - thank you! Any chance of getting a comparison of the negative vs an STN negative display?
Maybe. But won’t be soon. Just ordered a bunch of watches and can’t afford another just yet. :)
@@biscuitsalive guess I'll have to subscribe ;)
You have to love how UA-cam is the closest thing to a time machine we have
I've been trying to decide for the past few days but I just said fuck it and ordered a negative one just cause it looks way cooler
I, for one, believe the question of "which screen should I go for on my Casio G-Shock" to be of utmost important. I can live just fine not knowing if there is a god, but I cannot live with an inferior display on my dirt cheap watch.
Personally I have the negative red eye display DW6500ms I love it but at times it's hard to see but that's what the Indiglo for. Cheers thanks for sharing
very fun video. could you tell me where the drum solo soundtrack is from? thnx
Hi. It was from Artlist. But I would have to dig around tomorrow to find track name. Il try to remember to do that.
The choice is so clear.................!
Cool. But the better solution is to have both watches. I have the regular display one but I really also want that negative with the bracelet and Bluetooth.
Fantastic comparison!
Very cool test, but man those drums were getting out of hand, I had to mute.
One is showing the 16th of November. The other one is showing the 11th of Sixteentober.
I take the first one, definitely. Don't want to learn 31 months system.
In UK we put date first. And the GWB allows you to choose. The other one only displays month first system.
@@biscuitsalive After so many years in software engineering - and date-time formats - my brain is completely cleaned off of any particular preference between cultures.
When staring at *any* of them - I can't instantly evaluate which date is it ))) I have to use a watch with date-only window.
@@biscuitsalive Just like all the normal world does! The USA is stuck in a time warp.
Positive hands down
I can't tell, for some reason I just can't see the negative display to be able to compare!