Sargent’s Watercolors and the Visual Order

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  • Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
  • This discussion surrounds the “visual order” thinking, which it Paul’s expression, and how it may be observed in John Sargent’s watercolors. Suggestions are made about how aspects of it may have been applied and may be applied by you.
    In Response to Oskar G

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  • @axleochidae2853
    @axleochidae2853 2 роки тому +11

    Great video sir. Sargent was the finest painter our world has ever produced. Whoever doubts that, just attempt a master study. You will will quickly realize that his flamboyant style is anything but random. It is the result of the most precise vision combined with the highest sensitivity/ hand feel. Watercolour is the most difficult medium and that is why Sargents watercolours are so far above anyone else. With oil you can sculpt away your mistakes, watercolour demands the ability to hit it and leave it alone. His mother started him on watercolours at a young age, which no doubt made the transition to Oil very easy. God bless Mr. Sargent 🙏🤘🏽

    • @PaulIngbretson
      @PaulIngbretson  2 роки тому +2

      :)

    • @marcoss6212
      @marcoss6212 9 місяців тому +3

      Agree 95%, there is not a "the finest painter concept", beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. He is on my top 5 artists of all times, is a matter of knowing color values, perception of space or 3D sensation, etc.,. At the same level I would tell you that there is a few artists, my favorites of course, Velasquez, Rembrandt, Vermeer and if you want to check one of my new favorites from Russia, Nikolai Blokhin, check him out. Yes, watercolor is a difficult medium and he does it with finesse for sure and yes, one of my faves but not the very best, such thing doesn't exist, much respect towards you.

  • @M0odyBlue
    @M0odyBlue 10 місяців тому +1

    Oh, how interesting! I can see myself spending hours watching your channel. I’m a painter and watercolor is my first love. Sargent is the absolute master.

  • @querenstewart9944
    @querenstewart9944 3 роки тому +6

    Thanks for your videos just found you and I'm at number 12 and catching up fast.
    Enjoying them emensly and getting a new way of thinking about how to look.

    • @PaulIngbretson
      @PaulIngbretson  3 роки тому

      For your/their amusement I tell my students "If you want to paint like me you have to look like me!" They're not so sure they want it that bad.

  • @davidaaronartist
    @davidaaronartist 3 роки тому +5

    Thanks you, am a fan of Sargent watercolors🌈🙏🎨💞blessings from Cancun Mexico 🇲🇽

  • @christophedevos3760
    @christophedevos3760 8 місяців тому +1

    Stunning works and very interesting explanation. Thank you for uploading.

  • @jackdaly4258
    @jackdaly4258 3 роки тому +4

    Wonderful stuff, watercolors seem to be beneficial, and the skills rather transferable. Zorn took to oils easy as he was so damn good at watercolors and drawing.

  • @suemills8834
    @suemills8834 2 роки тому +1

    I loved this talk and found it very helpful. I have felt being a watercolourist must be harder than an oil painter (which I have never tried!) However the things you pointed out have made me consider it in a different way. I am learning so much watching your videos. Thank you!

  • @friedricengravy6646
    @friedricengravy6646 11 місяців тому +2

    I enjoy watercolor painting. No doubt that we build our darks…..but, we can also remove color to create light. Its a beautiful way to do so. A very different look than leaving white paper areas clean & then attempting to protect them throughout the process. I prefer to paint loose & painting ‘around’ shapes is too stiff for my taste.
    Anyone who is intimidated by watercolor, trust me when I say, a lot of what u heard prior is just myth making. If an artist cannot edit their work in any medium, they will not b able to let go & explore. Yes, u can edit watercolor, there is no need to start over every time u make a mistake.
    The real trick (if there is one) is to start with decent products. 300 g paper cold press at least or take that description & add 100% cotton. Paint? Ehh, more importantly a soft brush….at least one wide to cover large spaces & a smaller point for fine lines. Since most viewers here paint already, just in oil instead, I dont find it necessary to fill in the details between. Once u get started, u will find ur own needs.
    Also, u need a flat surface to tape ur paper to. I use a recessed plastic frame with black paper behind the clear plastic.
    Something smooth & a surface that can b cleaned easily. Then, prop it up on a shoe box or whatever. U will want to move between a slant & flat & side to side, depending how u would like the color/water to flow. The best watercolors come from a blend of control & remaining flexible to what the water prefers to do.
    Best of luck!
    Oops! I almost forgot! U need a trusty little one finger water spritzer to re-wet areas & to create effects.

    • @PaulIngbretson
      @PaulIngbretson  10 місяців тому +1

      Thank you for this good contribution, fried.

  • @TobermoryCat
    @TobermoryCat 3 роки тому +2

    Got to say my first site of a big Sargent watercolour exhibition in Edinburgh in the flesh was surprising. The use of wax crayon or candle to give broken effects together with his use of body colour shows visual appearance was more important than pure watercolour.

    • @PaulIngbretson
      @PaulIngbretson  3 роки тому

      He is remarkably skillful and knowledgeable at it. I had never see that blocking method before seeing his work.

  • @Ilya-woodenlipstick
    @Ilya-woodenlipstick 3 роки тому

    I was out of town so I'm just watching now - thanks a lot for the talk!

  • @michaelbonanno7476
    @michaelbonanno7476 Рік тому

    I think Mr. Hunter said that when you start an oil painting, you put in the colors of your subject that is least like the color of your canvas - which you would call “the darks”. He would say that it was a continuous process of bringing in the “back straggler”… until there was nothing left to do.
    On occasion, he would use a toned panel, but for the majority of his starts, he used a white canvas.

  • @andyc6521
    @andyc6521 3 роки тому +3

    Hi Paul, I was wondering if you could discuss the visual order/hierarchy of effects within a painting and the role that chroma/saturation and hue contributes to the hierarchy of effects? Through your videos I have understood value to be the most significant player in creating the hierarchy of effects however through my own experimentation in paint I am struggling to see and identify the impact that saturation and hue is contributing to the effect. For example how would one create a hierarchy of effects in a low minor key painting where your value range is restricted so you must resort to the other players of color (hue and saturation) to create a hierarchy of effects.

    • @PaulIngbretson
      @PaulIngbretson  3 роки тому +1

      Good one to focus on, Andy. Let me try in a bit.

    • @andyc6521
      @andyc6521 3 роки тому +1

      @@PaulIngbretson Thankyou, look forward to your response. I believe in one of your videos you make a comment along the lines of saturation playing a more important role in creating effect compared to hue. Sounds like an interesting discussion!

    • @MFDOOOOM
      @MFDOOOOM 3 місяці тому

      Did he make a vid about this ? ​@@andyc6521

  • @user-bt3nb7xd2l
    @user-bt3nb7xd2l 4 місяці тому

    You have helped me very much!

  • @michellepollock9804
    @michellepollock9804 3 роки тому +1

    I love these videos. Thank you!

  • @hannehanneart8605
    @hannehanneart8605 2 роки тому

    Oh wow, I’m learning so much. So glad I found your channel! New subscriber here.

  • @friedricengravy6646
    @friedricengravy6646 11 місяців тому

    One thing I have in common with oil painters, I prefer neutral color or colors that have been grayed down. I have no idea why so many watercolorists use such gaudy bright color? Its a preference & certainly not necessary. Im not the only one either, there r others who prefer their colors mixed with a compliment instead of straight from the tube to the page.
    I also enjoy a monochromatic look mixed from Ultra Marine Blue & Burnt Sienna. U can always add a little Burnt Umber or Black to move darker, but basically u adjust between the blue & orange to change the temperature, warmer or cooler.

  • @paulr904
    @paulr904 Рік тому

    Love these videos !

  • @oldmalayawatercolor849
    @oldmalayawatercolor849 3 роки тому +2

    Sir, could you explain to me what you mean by "visual order"? Looking forward to hear from you :)

    • @PaulIngbretson
      @PaulIngbretson  3 роки тому +3

      Would you mind looking through the video list, for that very subject first and get back to me. I will do more with it if necessary since it is the meat and potatoes of the visual impression both in its data and even providing a way of working.

    • @oldmalayawatercolor849
      @oldmalayawatercolor849 3 роки тому

      @@PaulIngbretson insyaallah i will check it now right away sir

  • @carlosdommar
    @carlosdommar 3 роки тому

    Love the videos, Paul! However I still wonder how is that watercolor as a medium was/is not more popular among impressionists and colorist, being such an immediate means to paint on location and having such a luminous quality to it.

    • @PaulIngbretson
      @PaulIngbretson  3 роки тому +4

      It really must be the limits of what you can do with it, limited value range and workability in particular. There are great reasons why oil is still best. The way Sargent did it suggests real nerve, confidence, too, which most people lack.

  • @friedricengravy6646
    @friedricengravy6646 11 місяців тому

    Sargent’s grandson gives lectures regarding Sargent, his work & life. He claims that Sargent painted watercolor for his personal enjoyment, this was his down time. Oil painting was his ‘job’ or career. He & Turner both expressed a personal joy from watercolor.

    • @PaulIngbretson
      @PaulIngbretson  10 місяців тому +1

      Seems evident...he didn't paint from them like Pleissner.

  • @katif1254
    @katif1254 3 роки тому

    Paul, what do you think of Anders Zorn’s watercolours? Would appreciate your comments, as he is one of my favourite watercolorists.

    • @PaulIngbretson
      @PaulIngbretson  3 роки тому

      What he does visually in oil he also does in watercolor. Yes? Will point this out in a video.

    • @katif1254
      @katif1254 3 роки тому

      Thank you, Paul.

  • @jokevanijzendoorn-konijn8507
    @jokevanijzendoorn-konijn8507 2 роки тому

    Intressant,mooi,sfeervol.

  • @querenstewart9944
    @querenstewart9944 3 роки тому

    Hi Paul
    Comment back to your's
    I would if I could to paint as well as you do!
    But the beard would be a bit of a problem?
    From a life long student to a life long student my we never stop learning.
    Sheila

  • @christinairaca2616
    @christinairaca2616 3 роки тому

    Ever see anyone put pen and ink to work through the visual order?

    • @PaulIngbretson
      @PaulIngbretson  3 роки тому +2

      No one immediately around me but keep thinking about Zorn's etchings or the Hugo heads by Rodin which look like they could have been inked. You should attempt it and get back to me. Love to see that.

  • @steverys6811
    @steverys6811 3 роки тому

    You admit to not knowing transparent watercolor and compare it to opaque oil techniques. Pontificating for your Boston school method at all costs shows the flaw in your understanding and intent.

    • @PaulIngbretson
      @PaulIngbretson  3 роки тому +1

      The visual impression isn't limited to oil painting, or opaque vs transparent methods/mediums, Steve. Surprised you think that.

  • @FML2610
    @FML2610 2 роки тому

    my God, and talk and talk and talk and to say nothing?

    • @MFDOOOOM
      @MFDOOOOM 3 місяці тому

      ^^ Low IQ alert.