Years back i built my own pole building, mostly solo. I ran copper wire out to the shop and wired 120/240. I like getting out of my comfort zone and learning new things, but I think it's one of my greatest gifts is to Be humble enough to stop and ask for help :) Don't be afraid of it (electric), but respect It! As I get older I look back on those producks that I was Outside of my comfort zone with large smiles PERIOD..... My current project is an RV pad for my adult son and his wife. I'm using this another vidto work through it. great video thank you !
We need Mike and his wife to come to Reno-Sparks, Nevada! We have an off grid property we need to wire for our 50 Amp RV - great video! Blessings and Thanks!
Thank you for the informative video. I am planning a job of my own and to see everything step by step was a big help. Also thanks for commenting on the "hot" lol 80 and 90 degrees gave me a good chuckle. Down here in South Central Florida we ran with a real feel temperature at about 120 this summer. Now that's hot! Take care God bless and thanks again! Safe travels!
My only tip... Siding is not waterproof. Water runs behind your vinyl siding. It gets in at joints, and at windows where you have j channel. A more bullet proof installation would involve using a jumbo mount master siding light block, installing that in the siding, flashing it into the house wrap or water resistant barrier, put the siding back together, and then run your electric. Caulk between the top of the box and the siding does little too stop the water coming down behind the siding. Great video on the electric side
Great video. Qq- why did you not use a GFCI breaker for an external box exposed to outside elements? Isn't GFCI required? Or is that only required if you run through outside conduit?
I have a Grand Design Reflection Travel Trailer with 2 AC units on the roof, do I need 220 with 50amps breaker on a disconnect box as the service department is telling me it's 120volts but I had a hot wire on one pole so it only ran the back AC unit then I took the same wire and took it and put it on the other pole and the other AC unit worked and the other AC unit didn't work so in my mind it's 220 right?
I need to make a 120 foot run underground to a pedestal instead of mounting on the side of the house. What is the bury depth? If I want to run 110 to a 20 amp outdoor outlet on the same pedestal, can I run both through the same conduit, or (direct) bury side-by-side, or is there a separation required?
Burial depth depends on several factors. Like commercial or residential, and method used. I can tell you that at 24”, you will be fine no matter your condition. You can put them in the same trench or conduit. It’s all 120 volts to ground.
You can run both circuits in the same conduit as long as the conduit is big enough to allow room for heat dissipation. Typically power on the private side in my area is buried 10-20” deep.
Great video, but I was surprised that Mike refused to put the new outlet into service until he tested it. While prudent, that may not be an option for everyone since there is no link to the tester used. I didn't find any similar tester at Home Depot.
50 amp 240 volt RV requires 8 gauge for up to 50 feet from the Breaker box If longer than 50 feet, use 6 gauge. Many 50 amp RV systems already use 6 gauge Mike decided to use 8 because had it there already. And it’s good for 55amp.
# 8 is not good for 55 amps. It is rated 55 amps at 90C. The termination points on breaker are listed at 75C. The terminations on the receptacle are “hopefully” 75C. Which means the “circuit conductor ampacity” is 50 amperes. Cheap receptacles may only be rated at 60C or 40 amperes, but since the next wire size, #6 is rated 55 amps at 60C, then the #8 is still good for the 50 amperes. It gets complicated. The installation is correct and code compliant!
I have someone wanting to install this outlet as an option for me to power my home with a generator when the electricity goes out but my concern is I would have to make 2 male ends on a 50amp extension cord
Okay I don't do electrical well. I always get zapped even on basic stuff. So I'll hire someone. But thank you for showing cause I now know what they are suppose to do. Knowledge is key. I also always get wet everytime I do plumbing 🤣🤣🤣🤣. Thank you.
i have a 30 amp service in rv.......can i use 1 leg of the 50 and run 8/2 or 6/2 romex into my panel inside the rv and bump up the 30amp breaker to a 40 single throw(no 50amp single throw breaker) so i can run all my appliances? only 1 ac on mine....and of course after doing this you have to run everything 50amp so no wire overheats by mistake.
Do you currently have a 50amp outlet you're wanting to plug into? You don't want to use a breaker larger than 30amp for a 30amp RV. The breaker is there to protect the cord and wiring from the outlet to your RV's breaker panel. That wiring is sized for 30amp, not 40amp. Besides, this wouldn't gain you a thing anyway. The breaker in your RV won't allow over 30amps.
Oh those Consulting Engineer rules of thumb! Table 310.15(B)(16) shows that at 75C, #8 copper is rated at 50 amperes. Is it not? So, if the terminations at the breaker and at the receptacle are both rated at 75C, then it can be used at 75C and is 50 amperes. If the receptacle is only 60C rated, then the NEC allows for you to use #8 at 50 amps because the next wire size is above the next standard sized overcurrent protection rating. #6 at 60C is 55 amps so, #8 is acceptable by NEC.
I am not 100% positive, but since this is considered a sub-panel there should be 1 or 2 ground rods (per your local code) located at the sub-panel. At least that is what I needed to do. 6AWG also. Other than that, Nice Job!
I've never seen a subpanel grounded to a ground rod. A subpanel is typically grounded to the main panel. One thing that makes a subpanel different from a main panel is you do not bond the ground and neutral like you do in the main. Many times, but not always, a sub panel is in a more interior part of a building, which would make it difficult to tie to a ground rod.
What are you calling a sub panel? Hopefully not the exterior box with the receptacle in it! In order for it to be a sub panel by definitions in the NEC it MUST have over current protective devices, breaker or fuse that feeds multiple branch circuits. A sub panel within a dwelling or building does not require additional ground rod or rods. The only sub panel I know of that does, is if you run an outside feeder to a sub panel in a detached garage or building. Then, yes, ground rod is required. (2) if you do not test for sell than 25 ohms.
Its not. Firstly, the plug isnt exactly the same. It looks the same but its slightly different, and even if you were to be able to plug a 30a RV into a dryer outlet, you'd cook your electronics in your RV.
My understanding is with the dryer your using both legs of the 120v together which = 220v. With this it’s using 2 @120 ‘legs’ seperate so it’s only using 120v. Could $definetly be wrong tho…
You need to go back to school! A 120/240 volt electrical system is absolutely 120 volts to ground. A 208/120 volt 3 phase system is also 130 volts to ground. And if the terminals of both the breaker and the receptacle are rated 75C, then a #8 copper conductor is rated at 50 amperes. Table 310.15(B)(16).
Gotta be sure to put the caulk in the crack and maybe the caulk in the hole too for good measure. Can't have leaky holes and cracks, gotta shove the caulk in there mmmhmm.
I think the advantage to wiring the electrical yourself is that you know how it's wired. Otherwise, the wrong electrician might wire things in a way that defies logic and common sense and that's when it get's you.
Many trailers have had their converters and microwaves burned out by electricians that do not understand and connect 30 amp 120v receptacles up to 240 volts.
The meter test never lies. Do not plug in your RV until testing the outlet. Go back and check all wiring connections if you choose. Did you do the same to your house?
I'm awfully surprised to see him use 8awg. I wouldn't use less than 6awg. I guarantee your entire RV is wired in 6awg and your supply cord is 6awg (with 8awg ground). There are several factors that can derate a wire's capacity and you have to factor in length. You figure the supply line is already 25 feet or more. The RV probably has at least 15 feet from connector to it's panel. Ours had more than that, probably 25 feet. Then you plug into an extension cord, which isn't uncommon and that's likely 25 feet. I'd just use 6awg to be safe. And I know it's technically a 220v plug but RVs don't use 220v so RV 50amp is a better way to refer to them. I've never really understood why they don't call them 100amp because you get (2) 110v/50amp connections, or 12,000 watts.
@@caseypries7559 any motorhome that had a 220 appliance could get really screwed up if they connected it to a dog bone that only gave them 110 to half of the circuit, or worse, 110 in the same phase, to both sides of the service.
Hey, is it possible for an electrician to talk and strip wire at the same time? This coulda been a 4 minute video. More camera on the action and less pearly whites and baby blues.
@@TSquadRVing I wouldn't throw wire away, but I also wouldn't pay $6.25 for 20 year old wire that was likely reclaimed from another project. Plus, local electrical supply company and many online stores are well under $4/ft.
@@Billy.80. Do you remember what you paid for something 25 years ago? Would it make any difference now? If he said I paid 50 cents a foot for it, you would be complaining that it cost you $6.25!
It took one of them genius Yankees to figure out the best place for a electric box is as close to a water hose as possible did have time to watch the intire home movie the wife the camper dogs cats skating an other intainment im gotta go look for a solution to a problem im having with a breaker
Years back i built my own pole building, mostly solo. I ran copper wire out to the shop and wired 120/240.
I like getting out of my comfort zone and learning new things, but I think it's one of my greatest gifts is to Be humble enough to stop and ask for help :) Don't be afraid of it (electric), but respect It! As I get older I look back on those producks that I was Outside of my comfort zone with large smiles PERIOD.....
My current project is an RV pad for my adult son and his wife. I'm using this another vidto work through it. great video thank you !
One of the best videos explaining how to do this!!!!
We need Mike and his wife to come to Reno-Sparks, Nevada! We have an off grid property we need to wire for our 50 Amp RV - great video! Blessings and Thanks!
Thank you for the informative video. I am planning a job of my own and to see everything step by step was a big help. Also thanks for commenting on the "hot" lol 80 and 90 degrees gave me a good chuckle. Down here in South Central Florida we ran with a real feel temperature at about 120 this summer. Now that's hot! Take care God bless and thanks again! Safe travels!
A lot of people should be doing this for EV home charging.
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I have no electrician experience but you guys made this look ridiculously easy, like someone without any training could do this.
I love how close the hose bib is to the outlet...
Great video. Very informative. Mike seems like a great guy!
Excellent work and video
Great quick reference video, thanks.
Good job Mike
Fantastically helpful, thanks for the vid!
Going to an outside receptacle you don't have to use a GFCI breaker?
Great video and advice
I wanted an RV box that had the knockout on the back and ordered the one you listed. It isn't the same, I should have checked before ordering.
Great job, thank you👍
My only tip... Siding is not waterproof. Water runs behind your vinyl siding. It gets in at joints, and at windows where you have j channel.
A more bullet proof installation would involve using a jumbo mount master siding light block, installing that in the siding, flashing it into the house wrap or water resistant barrier, put the siding back together, and then run your electric.
Caulk between the top of the box and the siding does little too stop the water coming down behind the siding.
Great video on the electric side
Great video. Qq- why did you not use a GFCI breaker for an external box exposed to outside elements? Isn't GFCI required? Or is that only required if you run through outside conduit?
Great video guys any updates on the drywall patch 😁
Don’t asked. lol. Mike reminds me every time I go to visit. 😀
i was expecting to see a much larger SE cable for that subpanel
Was that duck creek campground in Muskegon in your intro?
I believe so.
@@TSquadRVing we usually go there every summer it's a nice campground
Dont you need uprade breaker box? My breaker box is full in my new home and the electricians did something to by pass that outside.
I got a 30 about do the same add in a 50 . Thanks guys .
I have a Grand Design Reflection Travel Trailer with 2 AC units on the roof, do I need 220 with 50amps breaker on a disconnect box as the service department is telling me it's 120volts but I had a hot wire on one pole so it only ran the back AC unit then I took the same wire and took it and put it on the other pole and the other AC unit worked and the other AC unit didn't work so in my mind it's 220 right?
Hey MIKE!!
thanks guys !
How do you wire a 50 amp plug with 6/3 wire when you need four wires for that plug
I need to make a 120 foot run underground to a pedestal instead of mounting on the side of the house. What is the bury depth? If I want to run 110 to a 20 amp outdoor outlet on the same pedestal, can I run both through the same conduit, or (direct) bury side-by-side, or is there a separation required?
Burial depth depends on several factors. Like commercial or residential, and method used. I can tell you that at 24”, you will be fine no matter your condition. You can put them in the same trench or conduit. It’s all 120 volts to ground.
You can run both circuits in the same conduit as long as the conduit is big enough to allow room for heat dissipation. Typically power on the private side in my area is buried 10-20” deep.
GFCI required on receptacles including 50 amps per NEC 2020? Breaker price jumps about 5x minimum if you can find them.
Even if gfi is not required it should be used in electrical panel (it is an outside receptacle)they make them; not cheap though.
This is correct, I just did this on my house and code required a GFCI breaker. Ch 50 amp ran me $170
Great video, but I was surprised that Mike refused to put the new outlet into service until he tested it. While prudent, that may not be an option for everyone since there is no link to the tester used. I didn't find any similar tester at Home Depot.
Any standard multimeter would work.
Multimeters are like $6. If this slips you up ya might not want to attempt this job.
8/3 nmd is good for 55amps in Ontario... Why is 6/3 needed?
50 amp 240 volt RV requires 8 gauge for up to 50 feet from the Breaker box If longer than 50 feet, use 6 gauge. Many 50 amp RV systems already use 6 gauge Mike decided to use 8 because had it there already. And it’s good for 55amp.
# 8 is not good for 55 amps. It is rated 55 amps at 90C. The termination points on breaker are listed at 75C. The terminations on the receptacle are “hopefully” 75C. Which means the “circuit conductor ampacity” is 50 amperes. Cheap receptacles may only be rated at 60C or 40 amperes, but since the next wire size, #6 is rated 55 amps at 60C, then the #8 is still good for the 50 amperes. It gets complicated. The installation is correct and code compliant!
@@TSquadRVingwhat is 6/2 gauge rated up? is 6/2 good at 100foot?
Isn’t the neutral and ground wires go on the same ground bar ? Never knew there was a neutral bar?
The reason there are two bars is that panel is a sub-panel. The Main Breaker is likely on the outside of the house.
I have someone wanting to install this outlet as an option for me to power my home with a generator when the electricity goes out but my concern is I would have to make 2 male ends on a 50amp extension cord
Not the right way to do it! Several ways to connect generators. If receptacle, then use a male receptacle, just like on the side of an RV.
Okay I don't do electrical well. I always get zapped even on basic stuff. So I'll hire someone. But thank you for showing cause I now know what they are suppose to do. Knowledge is key. I also always get wet everytime I do plumbing 🤣🤣🤣🤣. Thank you.
Hopefully you don’t get wet doing the sewer part of plumbing! 😈
i have a 30 amp service in rv.......can i use 1 leg of the 50 and run 8/2 or 6/2 romex into my panel inside the rv and bump up the 30amp breaker to a 40 single throw(no 50amp single throw breaker) so i can run all my appliances? only 1 ac on mine....and of course after doing this you have to run everything 50amp so no wire overheats by mistake.
Do you currently have a 50amp outlet you're wanting to plug into? You don't want to use a breaker larger than 30amp for a 30amp RV. The breaker is there to protect the cord and wiring from the outlet to your RV's breaker panel. That wiring is sized for 30amp, not 40amp. Besides, this wouldn't gain you a thing anyway. The breaker in your RV won't allow over 30amps.
Short answer. No you can not.
That wire is not rated for 55 amps. It’s not even rated for 50. It’s #8/3 Romex. Largest breaker you can use is a 40 amp.
8/3 Romex on 50 amp plug or bigger??
He said it was 6/3
Oh those Consulting Engineer rules of thumb! Table 310.15(B)(16) shows that at 75C, #8 copper is rated at 50 amperes. Is it not? So, if the terminations at the breaker and at the receptacle are both rated at 75C, then it can be used at 75C and is 50 amperes. If the receptacle is only 60C rated, then the NEC allows for you to use #8 at 50 amps because the next wire size is above the next standard sized overcurrent protection rating. #6 at 60C is 55 amps so, #8 is acceptable by NEC.
6/3 is needed for 50 amp. It will work just fine and follows code
You could see the minute the location of the power source appears this idiot will get a surprise real soon
I am not 100% positive, but since this is considered a sub-panel there should be 1 or 2 ground rods (per your local code) located at the sub-panel. At least that is what I needed to do. 6AWG also. Other than that, Nice Job!
I've never seen a subpanel grounded to a ground rod. A subpanel is typically grounded to the main panel. One thing that makes a subpanel different from a main panel is you do not bond the ground and neutral like you do in the main. Many times, but not always, a sub panel is in a more interior part of a building, which would make it difficult to tie to a ground rod.
The subpanel bars are not
together ground bar not needed then
What are you calling a sub panel? Hopefully not the exterior box with the receptacle in it! In order for it to be a sub panel by definitions in the NEC it MUST have over current protective devices, breaker or fuse that feeds multiple branch circuits. A sub panel within a dwelling or building does not require additional ground rod or rods. The only sub panel I know of that does, is if you run an outside feeder to a sub panel in a detached garage or building. Then, yes, ground rod is required. (2) if you do not test for sell than 25 ohms.
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Is Mike sure that a RV 50 amp female connector is same as home dryer 220v ?
Its not. Firstly, the plug isnt exactly the same. It looks the same but its slightly different, and even if you were to be able to plug a 30a RV into a dryer outlet, you'd cook your electronics in your RV.
@@TehDubsteraren’t are these RVs set up for 50amp? My plug says 110 or 220 3 prong
My understanding is with the dryer your using both legs of the 120v together which = 220v. With this it’s using 2 @120 ‘legs’ seperate so it’s only using 120v. Could $definetly be wrong tho…
He did not say home dryer. He said the same as a range. Otherwise known as a stove.
I need to run a 100 ft will I lose a lot of power
No 6 AWG will give you the current needed for 50 AMPs
If you run #6 copper for 100’, the amount of current demand from your RV will not cause more voltage drop than allowed. So, good to go.
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Each leg to ground is not 110 hate to tell ya. And 8/3 it's rated for 55 amps last time I checked it's rated for 40 amps
You need to go back to school! A 120/240 volt electrical system is absolutely 120 volts to ground. A 208/120 volt 3 phase system is also 130 volts to ground. And if the terminals of both the breaker and the receptacle are rated 75C, then a #8 copper conductor is rated at 50 amperes. Table 310.15(B)(16).
Hi Mike
Gotta be sure to put the caulk in the crack and maybe the caulk in the hole too for good measure. Can't have leaky holes and cracks, gotta shove the caulk in there mmmhmm.
You think your intro could be any longer?
I will work on making it longer then 30 seconds. 😉. Thanks for watching.
I think the advantage to wiring the electrical yourself is that you know how it's wired. Otherwise, the wrong electrician might wire things in a way that defies logic and common sense and that's when it get's you.
Many trailers have had their converters and microwaves burned out by electricians that do not understand and connect 30 amp 120v receptacles up to 240 volts.
The meter test never lies. Do not plug in your RV until testing the outlet. Go back and check all wiring connections if you choose. Did you do the same to your house?
Only problem is you screwed and caulked your siding. Instead of a big mounting block or j channel.
I'm awfully surprised to see him use 8awg. I wouldn't use less than 6awg. I guarantee your entire RV is wired in 6awg and your supply cord is 6awg (with 8awg ground). There are several factors that can derate a wire's capacity and you have to factor in length. You figure the supply line is already 25 feet or more. The RV probably has at least 15 feet from connector to it's panel. Ours had more than that, probably 25 feet. Then you plug into an extension cord, which isn't uncommon and that's likely 25 feet. I'd just use 6awg to be safe.
And I know it's technically a 220v plug but RVs don't use 220v so RV 50amp is a better way to refer to them. I've never really understood why they don't call them 100amp because you get (2) 110v/50amp connections, or 12,000 watts.
i think some appliances on those 50amp services are actually running 220v......but yeah, looks to be just 2 separate 110 systems when in the panel
I’ve never seen anything more than 110v cause stove and water heater are gas
@@naturalstatepoolandspallc338 most RVs do not use 220V appliances. I have heard there are a few motorhomes that did but that's not typical.
@@caseypries7559 any motorhome that had a 220 appliance could get really screwed up if they connected it to a dog bone that only gave them 110 to half of the circuit, or worse, 110 in the same phase, to both sides of the service.
Damn electricians. 4 minutes in yall start mumbling something about lectricity.
Every electrician I have called doesn't have time to come out
Hasn’t been 110/220 in years.
Hey, is it possible for an electrician to talk and strip wire at the same time? This coulda been a 4 minute video. More camera on the action and less pearly whites and baby blues.
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$6.25/ft for that wire? Looks like it was laying around in someones barn for 20 years.
Why would you throw wire away??? It doesn’t spoil. We were just telling you the going rate. Thanks for watching
@@TSquadRVing I wouldn't throw wire away, but I also wouldn't pay $6.25 for 20 year old wire that was likely reclaimed from another project. Plus, local electrical supply company and many online stores are well under $4/ft.
@@Billy.80not really I just paid $6.25 per foot at home depot
@@Billy.80. Do you remember what you paid for something 25 years ago? Would it make any difference now? If he said I paid 50 cents a foot for it, you would be complaining that it cost you $6.25!
I just paid over $6/ foot. I imagine you could probably find it cheaper if you buy a lot of it but small amounts will cost you $6/ft for 6/3
Looks more like a 30 amp receptacle
The one next to it is a 30 amp this new one installed is a 50 amp.
It took one of them genius Yankees to figure out the best place for a electric box is as close to a water hose as possible did have time to watch the intire home movie the wife the camper dogs cats skating an other intainment im gotta go look for a solution to a problem im having with a breaker