FLASHING THE ASUS RTX 4090 TUF TO THE ASUS RTX 4090 STRIX WITH NVFLASH
Вставка
- Опубліковано 21 жов 2024
- Flashing the Strix RTX 4090 vbios onto a TUF 4090 checking for gains. Those with vbios limited cards, may see more benefits.
#RTX #4090 #ASUS #ROG #TUF #VBIOS
![Why people are WRONG about NVIDIA RTX 4090! [Asus TUF RTX 4090 Review] #creators](/img/n.gif)
Man I will give that for using this PSU for the GPU only so we actually can see how much RAW power it's drawing really good stuff!
Well, +- up to 75W via PCIE, which this 2nd PSU wont see.
I think this'll be my first card that I won't be OCing. Already have such massive amounts of power on tap, when I'm playing Horizon 5 maxed out it only uses like 40 percent of the available board power! Crazy!
if you put a water block on it, it will boost higher on its own without overclock. I don't think nvidia will make another top end card with this much performance jump next year.
Super glad I went for the TUF card instead of the strix because of the aesthetics.
How is coil whine?
@@ChatGTA345 My Tuf's 4090's coil whine is atrocious. I just picked it up yesterday but it's going away slowly but surely breaking the card in. My Suprim X 4090 has virtually zero whine, but the one I had prior to it had some. My first gaming trio 4090 had a bit of whine as well and a god bin S-tier silicon. The Tuf's is bad, but the 4080 Tuf I bought open box for my girlfriend also had it even worse, but it's non existent after a month. The 4070ti Tuf I got for my brother also had bad whine at first. From my experience it dies down dramatically. They just need a few burn ins
@@6r3ys0n Thanks for the info, that's a relief to hear! Still haven't unpacked mine, waiting for the waterblock, so fingers crossed as they say
@@ChatGTA345 You’ll be fine. If you hear a significant amount of coil whine at first I’m certain it will die down to a point where it’s very faint. From my experience all 4090’s have it. It’s a lot of power the GPU is drawing for the first time so it’s a literal shock to the inductors! Don’t even stress about it. You chose the right card for a waterblock, between the Asus or FE. Don’t go through the binning process I suffered through, all cards were good and there wasn’t much difference between each one! No problem man! Enjoy your new card. Be very careful installing your waterblock. I’m sure your experienced but I’ve seen too many mishaps. Also I’m sure you know this but make sure you stress test your card first on air before putting the water block on immediately, that way if there is actually something wrong with the card you can rma.
@@6r3ys0n yeah, for sure! came to the same conclusions as well - hence got the lowest tier not even OC, and lucked on MSRP after many months of waiting lol. Waterblock should be fine too, it's my second one and I even got a precision torque screwdriver this time, hoping Heatkiller provides the actual numbers lol
So... you're flashing the bios on the RTX 4090 TUF (NOT THE OC)? and the RTX 4090 TUF OC is the other GPU sitting in front of the monitor?
The RTX 4090 TUF OC already has an increase of 45 Mhz I believe? That being said, does the OC have access to more power to draw? Is it beneficial to flash the RTX 4090 TUF OC as much as the non-OC?
I'm curious about the nvflash version you are using. Mine won't allow me to use --protectoff and even --override -6. The one from TechpowerUP 5.590 with modded boardID missmatch not working with 40X0 series... so where you managed to bypass a protection which is not possible to bypass since version 5.780 (which support 40X0 series)
yeah im having the same issue trying to flash a rtx 4080 tuf to the 4080 strix ID mismatch
Special nvflash by kefi. Google nvflashk.
nvflashk by kefi
@@cemsengul16 Indeed! Last version allow me to put the Overclocked version of the manufacturer firmware. Noiw a Igot a boost to 2640. thanks for the update man!
@@PhanToMaTiK I own the PNY 4090 non oc xlr8 and I used nvflashk to bypass and flash the PNY OC vbios. Funny thing is it barely increases clocks so I am glad I didn't pay more for the oc version.
That is the TUF OC version. What about the regular TUF card? Could that handle the flash? That's the card I have ordered.
I flashed both and they oc the same within 20mhz difference
Hey man
What Strix BIOS did you use? I have a client with a TUF and the strix BIOS bricked the card so we flashed with a BIOS flasher to get it back, So I am looking for a Strix BIOS
I have also noted that the TUF has 6 Missing VRMS
Did you notice a higher VRM temp?
If you would be so kind as to give me some insight to this It would greatly be appreciated
No I did not notice a higher vrm temp. I got mine from techpowerup bios page.
@@JCustom I looked didn’t see TUF Bios
Great Vid. Thank you :)
So no then? Not really a difference to flash strix bios on Tuf?
Hey, i will will have a 4090 tuf oc soon, and i want to know what flash are you using for the strix. Or where i can find one that will work? and another question.. will a seasonic gx 850 will be enough to support the card with the flash, or should i upgrade that too?
I am using nvlfash. 850 should be fine. As for flashing the vbios. The card will boost relatively the same with the tuf or strix bios. I did it because I could not because there was a real need to, both bios have a 600w power limit
Is there any drawback to using the Zotac over the Asus Tuf? I've got both and deciding which one to keep.
I'm guessing no Strix bios flash on the Zotac though, right? Look forward to seeing your gpu water cool setup, been think'n of doing the same myself.
The Asus rma process is better and also I want to say Asus tends to use better components in general. Also, better resale value at the end.
@@JCustom but how long warranty?.....compared to zotac.
Is there any new vBIOS for the strix OC 4090? What is found in techpowerup is the "release" strix oc BIOS?
I have the 4090tuf oc
I was a big Evga fan and had to find a new brand although I like Asus I ended up buying the PNY xlr8 4090 runs cool and quiet great card but power limit is locked down at 100% but it will oc well I wonder if it can be flashed to unlock power slider
If you had the choice to pick either Gigabyte Aorus Master or Asus TUF which would you rexommend and why?
Master is a good card but it’s also very big. I would go with the tuf as I generally trust the asus rma process more than gigabyte in my personal experience
for msi 4090 suprim liquid x, where do i get the vbios?
Check techpowerup bios database
Everything works, especially free, use until it is too late!Cool! Downloaded))
That's a very good binned chip. Why waste so much money on the Strix or TUF OC when it does not guarantee a better bin?
branding that's about it. You have some die hard fans out there.
@@JCustom I have a TUF 4090 non OC too and it can reach 3180Mhz and pass only Superposition at 1080p with some artifacts but crashes immediately on other tests and gaming. I can get it fully stable at 3105Mhz 1.1v with random boosts to 3120Mhz. Yes, the OC thing is a lie but people fall for it. I had before a TUF 4080 OC that had a pos die so I sold and bought a 4090 non OC and I'm more than happy with my chip, overclocks well and has very nice temps. Mem can do +1450Mhz error free. Strix bios btw.
@J C So the Asus Rog Strix OC RTX 4090 bios can be flashed onto the MSI SUPRIM X RTX 4090? are you sure? do we have some conformations on it? but then again these cards are voltage locked, SUPRIM's max 520Watt locked, to Strix's max 600w would give 0 performance gain in real games. Am I correct in coming to this conclusion?
that sounds really nice, as personally I feel like the MSI SUPRIM X RTX 4090 is the most gorgeous looking 4090 out there
I haven’t tested it but I know others have. You can always revert back. I believe the strix had one extra hdmi so you will loose a display port running the strix bios
@@JCustom Thanks for info. By the way, in your tear down video you said that the OC TUF version and normal $1600 TUF version are the same card, same PCB and phases and everything down to the wire? The only difference is the BIOS which allows for tiny mhz increase? so apart from the box nothing is different at all? so they are charging $200 extra for nothing? not even 1 extra phase for chip or memory in the OC TUF version? just buying normal TUF and flashing Strix BIOS will make it perform like Strix, isn't this all a huge marketing scam? Sorry for my ignorance, first time I am seeing all this and tear downs.
@@malzaharkhalil3833 thats how it usually goes its just software/firmware limited.
Have you tried flash Strix bios into MSI Suprim X yet? I have the Suprim as well and want to flash Strix bios but i'm afraid of losing a display port function as JC mention
@Tran Huy na, the RTX 4090 and 40 series are literally overclocked from factory at this point, increasing power slider does nothing, have measly room to increase cpu and memory speeds... it all amounts to a whopping 3-4 fps.... didn't see anything worth it, so didn't flash it, just let it be factory defaults, got this info from overclockers and even people like hardware unboxed UA-cam and jayztwocents UA-cam videos confirmed it.
Just let it be, or flash it on normal bios, so if anything goes wrong, you can just flip the physical switch on the card and return to MSI SUPRIM X bios.
I flashed the strix bios and the time spy performance is much better. Is there a way to flash the tuf bios to the other fan profile switch because it currently doesn’t work. Thank you
Hmm it fans should of retained as it the same fan and pcb. Each position on the switch on the card is a different bios
I don't understand the purpose of what are you doing. I'm not an expert, but it does look for me your TUF performance is really good with and without OC settings. Do you think the Strix is going to give you a better experience in daily use? So much better numbers in a benchmark maybe? Don't misunderstand me, I'm not critiquing you. I just want to know. Cheers!
If you are keeping the OEM coolers, I dont think you need the extra hw on the PCB.
The cooler on the strix is reportedly better though, but it would not give you any mentionable more performance vs clocking a TUF.
BUT: it may be slightly more quiet, or maybe not.. Depends on fans also :P
If you do LN2 cooling, the extra hw on the PCB would be good to have.
To simplify the strix VBIOS is more aggressive on the boost curve than the TUF. In this generation the power limits are the same. However, on say the 3090TI the tuf variant had a lower power limit. Flashing the strix bios at that point unlocked a higher power limit. Quite often AIBs will lock cards down with a vbios to create different product tiers. While the strix and tuf 4090s share a common pcb platform, the strix does have a more robust power delivery. However, both are more than well built to handle the power draw.
Do you need non-stock nvflash tool ? or the official nvflash work to flash Strix OC vbios into TUF?
official nvflash
Planning to get a strix card, how do I overclock it using GPU Tweak III? Cheers.
At 4:34 you added a "-6" where did you get "-6" from? I mean, how did you know you need to add a "-6"?
-6 is a nvlfash switch. means --overridesub = allow firmware and adapter device id to mismatch as I am flashing across diferent gpus
@@JCustom copy thanks
my Aorus Xtreme Waterforce 4090 360 AIO gets 21392. Core boosts above 2830 mhz at stock with 485rpm Fan/pump. . With Overclock +200C and +1000M I get 23134. Water does make a big difference on 4090 rather than just clock increase.
What size rad you got? I have 2 240s and my 4090 runs cooler on air then my 3080 on water lol. I got the front and backcplate for my 4090 installing this weekend.
why does it have to be a Tuf ? why cant it be any rtx 4090? people arent here to flash a bios on a specific card, they are here to flash on any rtx 4090
I can to flags the tuf to the strix since it’s the same pcb and fans. You can flags whatever you want but don’t complain when it doesn’t work.
Wats the real world benefits of overclocking asus tuf gaming rtx4090? 1fps? 5gps? 10fps? In gaming performance… please help me see if i should overclock
Very minimal. Nvidia boost works so well it’s honestly just for benchmarking for the most part
Do you need the strix bios to clock the TUF to a Strix level? Any limits added to the TUF firmware?
Not at all since both have the same maximum power limit. It’s more down to silicone lottery. I can say the strix air cooler is larger but card overlock and performance will be down to luck
soo conclusion... any point to flash strix bios?
What difference does it make if all the 40 series are voltage locked relative to it’s insane TDP uplift
Google it! This is basic stuff. If you are asking these kind of questions you have no business watching these videos. You other comment makes that even more apparent.
Hey, Where i can find that cable u are using with 4090 and Asus PSU???? THX.
Would you recommend flashing the TUF OC bios to the strix's?
no?
Hello i have been trying to flash my zotac 4080 trinity with the amp extreme bios and it dosent work. Keep getting exception caught nothing changed. Board ID mismatch. Any idea ? it is basically the same card with different vbios .th ank you
Love how you take no notes and seem totally unprepared during this educational video.
you know he's american when he has two cards for 2000 dollars and is willing to flash one...
I turned EEPROM protection off, gave up on update the bios, decided to turn back on and it doesnt let me do it
Hi, do You think it could work with a Zotac Gaming Geforce RTX 4090 AMP Extreme AIRO?
I mean the ROG Strix BIOS...
Thx.
It may but without trying hard to say.
does flashing bios can reduce power consumption and improve efficiency>?
No.
You can achieve that only undervolting
Do you plan on making a tutorial on how to do this?
this essentially is
@@AlaskanGamerGuy It falls flat.
@@agordon20024 what do you need to know? I was able to follow along.
when you flash bios with another card, do the RGBs stop working and the fan curve works with the newly flashed bios ?
Yes you may loose some rgb and you may not. In this case I did not loose the rgb function as I believe it’s the same pin for both cards as they have the same pcb. If your flashing across different pcbs then you may loose certain things.
@@JCustom thanks for the reply, the only thing of concern would be that if the fans stop working all together or partially or something which actually can have impact in card functionality the RGB even if it stops working wouldnt bother me much, but better if it still did work, or some of it.
I did this. Works great on my Tuff OC I just had to turn off the EProm protection.
Did you notice a performance bump?
@@ik1llpeeple4fun Tbh I had the card for 2 days and did it. But didn't really game on it.
I would expect a little bit more perf
Tough OC
it doesnt do anything actually it might only improve power efficiency cuz of changed core to voltage curve(which u can do it urslf on any bios)
anyupdates on the perfermance bump? I have the tuf oc as well thinking about doing the bios flash
personally hope they just release 4090ti sooner than later although would make 4090 owners not too happy
4090ti will most likely be $2000 minimum, I don’t think many people would regret getting it tbh
Is it possible to flash the Suprim X Silent Bios on it, to have the slower Fan Speed of 900 RPM at 30%. Maybe u can try this?
Hmm I don't see why not. You could also set a lower fan curve manually. Flashing would loose you a hdmi port.
@@JCustom The Problem is you can set a lower curve in AfterBurner than 30% which is 1000 RPM up. Or did i miss something (Override BIOS?). Can u try to run with 900 RPM - should be under 30%.
i tried flashing colorful volcan one screen went black for very long time then i pressed some key it aborted. Tf i will just stick to using afterburner
I got this to work on my suprim x but not the suprim liquid x. Wont gocpast the id mismatch even using -6... any ideas?
theres an unlocked version of nvflash that will let you or pretty sure a command that will let you on the regular nv
I'm trying to do this with the 4080 Tuf OC, and I keep getting the board ID mismatch, even with the -6 and using --protectoff :(
You need to update nvflash
tuf OC vs non OC? For me its a 396$ difference in the stores
I have both. The cards are identical. Just marketing and box wrap change.
There is a bug with ASUS Z590 motherboards limiting the 4090 to PCIe 3.0. Have you seen this on GPU-Z ?
Not for me it says pcie 4 in gpuz for me
@@JCustom Thank you for answering
just curios where did you get the bios? i cant find them on ASUS support site anymore. thanks
Can you reverse the process if you dont like it or messed up?
Yes
Right on
why do the bioses say 600 watts when they only pull 450 475?
Max power draw is 600
@@JCustom sure but it will never hit that. Under 4k gaming cyberpunk with everything cranked it only hits like 375 to 450. 8k gpu stress tests it hits like 525.
This is why I still want to flash a 600 watt bios on my PNY 4090. The idea is that if a game needs it you can go above 450. The bios won't artificially force 600 watts every time you open a game.@@lindseyhunt1090garageb
Can u pls answer my q I have Rtx 4090 zotac amp extreme and I have 4 pci e to 16 pin power cable the card take max power 495 can I flash the bios with another brand bios for max power 550w . ? If there the same hdmi and dpi port ? Thanks
yes you could but I do not know which bios is compatible with that card. I would say a safe bet is another zotac card that has a higher cap if available.
That one is the highest one I already have but I’m thinking about bios from Msi supreme x have 520w at 2625 Boston’s clock ! But I’m scare 2do it . Thanks for the reply
Is the Strix worth the extra money?
If you like the cooler yes. Performance wise no
My MSI suprim X wont go past 2970mhz and thats at 55c. anything above that it drops to 2940mhz. Iv got 190mhz on the core and 1650mhz on the mem. 108 power target and 520watts draw. For the life of me cant get it past 3000mhz. Any tips?
Are you hitting the power limit? Most of these cards don't need more than 450ish and will be in the low 3k. I mean it would have to be pretty bad lottery to not get past 3k. Although, I did have that happen on a strix 4090. If your temps are under 60c and your not over 3k it may just be bad lottery.
@@JCustom No not even close to power limit. Playing warzone 2 in 1080p with 280 fps and hitting montors cap (380). It should be boosting further.. temps are low.
Man you have such a god bin. 3165 clocks even not fully stable is just insane.
On my Strix anything above +150 on the core crashes in most benchmarks. Only thing I got kinda lucky-ish is the VRAM, 1500 is stable in everything I try
(I get 23127 with my stable OC for reference, on a 5900X)
Both my tufs are about the same. Other one is within margin of error
same 150+ on the core stay at 3000mhz
@@JCustom Maybe I'm just unlucky lol, but I don't mind too much because every benchmark tells me the card is doing pretty good (I get around 20500 in TSE graphics, 28250 in Port Royal). But it's weird, I won't ever see anything above 3045 basically while I've seen some like yours get in the 3150 range. Maybe this arch scales more with memory? Or there's some effective clock fuckery going on?
@@MacA60230 are you running 4 dedicated power cables from your PSU to your GPU?
@@OlavAlexanderMjelde Yup, I can go to 600W (though I've never seen the card pull remotely as much)
No much gains. Got an RTX 4090 HOF and stock BIOS is limited to 666W. Thought there was a wall but even with the 1000W BIOS nothing improved (much) since you are very limited with stock air cooler regarding GPU Hot Spot temps. Even having voltage control, over 1.12V the temps are spiking too fast and Hot Spot at 100°C will throttle. Probably switching to a waterblock will improve but voiding warranty stickers and fight over with these companies ... preffer not to go too extreme imho. For the TUF you are initially limited at Power but then you need to add more volts but can't much since temps will hit hard. Maybe I will downgrade to a GB Gaming OC or something similar un the 4090 ecosystem. Regards
Voltage is limited not with good ratio to it’s insane power increase thus basically rendering it more useless
only 400 watts?
Asus has dropped v1 bioses now for the 4090 cards, but its wrapped in an update application.
I see its the same tool (2DD739A97EE40FF46220B3EA9DAB5CD94251CCF5AC04D0C5D6F08207EDE86B3E) for strix and tuf, so most likely it will see what your card identifies as and download the ROM.
interesting i wonder if it limits the power draw on the TUFs
@@JCustom hello again, I did flash both bios slots with the perfromance bios of the strix oc.
So what I see is that the max power limit is 600W. I see this in gpu-z, then advanced tab and choosing NVIDIA BIOS in dropdown.
This is on v1 vbios.
@@OlavAlexanderMjelde where did you download perfromance bios of the strix oc bios?
250 on the core!? Mine only allows 150 :'(. 2880mhz is the absolute max my TUF OC will do. Kinda disappointed
You’d only get a max of 2-3% boost if you car OC’d to 3GHz anyways lol
@@romankozlovskiy7899he went up 8 percent.
Hi, any coil whine on the TUF RTX 4090?
On all 4 ASUS 40 series cards so far yes, but minor. Not something noticeable with a case door on to me.
Is more noticeable when you have water block on it.
can I do suprim c on my trio? trio only 3 power connectors
You should be able to and then try with 4 connector cable, give they are the same pcb it’s worth a shot
@@JCustom cant go up to 520 with 3 safely?
How are you getting these cards?
Use Twitter stock alerts. They go in and out at retailers daily, not so much past week though which is to be expected with most launches these days after initial batch
@@JCustom Thank you!
Can you do this flash on a PNY card?
I was wondering same thing I bought the PNY xlr8 4090 and mine runs cool and quiet does 250 core 1200 memory with no issues
Can you send the command’s please
I got a regular zotac trinity 4090; which is power limited to 100% (450W)
I flashed a Zotac OC; and now have 110%! A little more power breathing room for my 3ghz oc!
If I wanted to, I could flash a gigabyte bios for the full 133%; but I don't need that much.
tysm for this, didn't know nvflash was updated
I got the zotac extreme I should of just got the trinity like you. I might try the gigabyte do you know if it works?
@@marat569 thanks
@@marat569 I just flashed the gigabyte 600w on the zotac and it works perfectly.
@@sean.d7171 awesome!
@@sean.d7171 we need you help flashing the card .. I have Zotac 4090 trinity oc 110power limit 2780 stock
These benchmarks are useless. There is only ONE benchmark I use for my Strix 4090 to test. Quake 2 RTX @ max settings. It uses 100% of the GPU ALL the time and shows even the slightest of instabilities on your card. I guarrantee you, you wont even get close to 3000 Mhz stable on Quake 2 with an RTX 4090. My Strix could ever "only" achieve 2915 Mhz stable on Quake 2 RTX and that pulled about 520 watts. Totally useless. Um using it now @ 2850 @ 440 watts with 44% fan-speed.
"ok"
what mhz you hit?
3100 stable is about the most it will do. I can pass benches at 3140-3160 but it’s very iffy
@@JCustom alright Thanks.
For some reason people have been able to get the founder at the same or even higher without modding.
Is this due to Nvidia using better VRAM than some of the other 4090s?
@@JCustom Does the 6 missing VRAM Phase inductor make a difference?
What do you lose from 18 instead of 24 thats on the strix?
My Strix has zero whine.
try to fire up one of the most demanding benchmarks and have no sound in your room and no side panel.
Be carefull. NVFLASH bricked my Creative Soundblaster ZXR. Now only the Digital output of it is working.
Edit: Turns out it was just a driver issue, after reinstalling soundcard driver everything works fine
Sure, maybe in a year or two when 4090's are obtainable.
Is that cable mod cable you have there connected to your TUF? Should this be more reliable than Nvidia's adapter. I am still waiting for my cable mode to come, I ordered it a few days ago, so I am curious to see or hear some experiences from people using it for some time.
yes it is. I have quite a few of the cables. I've been using them across the 4 gpus and have not had issues.
@@JCustom Thank you for replay. When my cables arrive I will consider flashing my TUF but not so sure about it since I am very happy with the performance so far. :)
They won't warranty it, so if you have issues say you only used what came with the card. Do not mention cable mods.
@@mrrod3004 Good idea, although I never installed it due to the laziness, cable is still in the bag. lol
My Tuf Does 2800mhz stock, zero coil whine, should i just keep the bios, i dont think the strix bios will do much for me.
I find most cards can do 3000. I have tried about 7 or 8. The strix bios would only have a more aggressive curve, if you want to manually oc it won't be any different
@@JCustom ok cool, thanks for the reply.
Damn I wish a kingpin card would come along.
My 3090kp hits over 900 watts on furmark.
Well EVGA stopped making nVidia cards so there won't be a 4090 KP
Why would i want to do that ? .. also furmark is artifacting
This case no real purpose. But older gen cards you got a higher power limit don’t so