Most people carry a variety of colors. If I knew that dark olive got hits and light olive didn't, I'd fish dark olive. At least for his waters, Sawyer seemed to think that the color of Chadwick's 477 was most productive.
The color of the wire does not show through two layers of wool blend yarn, even when wet. Chadwicks 477 has a slight pink tint when it is wet. Thanks for the comment, though.
Thank you for the vidio on the sawyer bug. An interesting tie using the copper wire. As a ex colour matcher/dyer specializing in dying wool and blends, i wonder why the hang up trying to find a commercial blended yarn. Make up your own blended mix then dub it as usual.
@@fathersflyshop921 I believe the effort to duplicate the original is based on Sawyer's own comment that he felt the secret to the fly's success was the color - when wet the fly had a pinkish tan hue. The bad news is that none of the supposed substitutes is the right color. The Berocco is close but has no red fibers so it does not have a pinkish hue. The good news is that there isn't a fish alive that has seen the original so they won't know the color is off. I've mostly used a different Shetland Spindrift yarn, but the killer bugs tied from it have been extremely effective where I normally fish.
i'm colorblind so I do not see reds or greens, that said, the "original" is just a dark version, looks just like original boring old hairs ears to me, which you can get in a spool variety now too called "dreads" or something. It works just fine for me
For comparison, can the same three flies that are shown wet at 8:14, be photographed side by side, wet and when dry? That would be a proper photo in which to compare color changes, such as a hint of red (that has been mentioned in the video) in the Chadwicks 477 (original).
Hi, I get what you're saying. We actually show all three materials in comparison to one another at the beginning of the video. You can see that the Chadwicks seems to darken considerably and take on a slight red tint. The others remain pretty much the same color as they are when dry. We will consider this for an update at some point in the future. Thanks for the suggestion!
You’re probably right on…but then why does Sawyer mention it so many times. And why are there so many efforts to find or make a Chadwick’s substitute? I will say that I saw a picture of a sowbug in one of the local fly fishing group’s newsletter. It was eerily close to the color of the Chadwick’s wet. Gonna have to try it.
Interesting, some observations, the best formula I know is coming from "Nymphs and the trout" from Sawyer himself and the exact replica was made by now unfortunatly recently deceased, Oliver Edwards. First observation some fisherman sold Chadwick but to expensive. The best substitute I know, (colour, diameter, colour wet (frequently pinkish) is actually a not very well known yarn, the Berroco ultra alapaca fine n° 1214, virtually same colour and just a little thicker. Advantage you have a huge amount of yarn for a really small prize. Now your interpretation have some problems. You put your yarn to far and close the gape of the hook. The original formula is: Not precised size hook but larger than for the pheasant tail. Chadwick 477 (because Sawyer stole material to his women to do his flies) and the copper, red and three times thicker than for the pheasant tail. -First begin to wrap the copper (left a little tag) from the back (do not overlap or close you must have a work as clean as possible no bumps), go to the front in touching turns, -when you are close return back (all of turns touch the others it is a question to put as much as possible copper to have more weight but not overgrow the underbody), -when you arrive with a little tag of the beginning you overlock the copper. -Trim off the tag but leave the returning copper. -Take your yarn and put it on the hook, from the eye, overlock with the yarn when you returning to the back, when you arrive at the end of the straight shaft, return to the eye, after go one more time to the back. -than lock over with your copper and cover the yarn to lock off with four turns from the back to the front. -Cut both. -For more solidity Edwards says that he put a little drop of super glue the only modern add to this extraordinary fly. Historically the goal of these fly was terrible! This fly was made to eradicate the graylings from the chalkstreams. During these dark days, they were considered as pests, eating trouts and salmon eggs and than will be removed from the river at all cost. Now the grayling in Europe is considered as the "lady of the stream" and my favorite fish, catch frequently on killer bug. With respect.
Thank you for the additional information. I appreciate it. You might take a look at this video by David McPhail which displays several flies tied by Sawyer. I think the killer bug he shows differs from the description Edwards provides in several ways. As I mention in the video, Sawyer did not rib at least the version that McPhail has. Here is the video: ua-cam.com/video/wMcQQnaboLE/v-deo.html
@@fathersflyshop921 I see three important points: First you have two rows of copper wire, second you have three rows of yarn and third as said by Edwards the shape is not a rugby ball but it is more a cylindrical shape.
I bought a skein of Jamieson's Shetland Spindrift #290 (Oyster) years ago which is a very close match IMO. Easy tie, Works great
The Killer Kebari is a very effective fly for Tenkara
Definitely a difference in the color,nice job,I have Sawyers book and it sounds right!
I am sure a trout will look at these and say that isnt 477 so I'm not eatin it!
Most people carry a variety of colors. If I knew that dark olive got hits and light olive didn't, I'd fish dark olive. At least for his waters, Sawyer seemed to think that the color of Chadwick's 477 was most productive.
Sawyer used a red copper wire, which is why the fly looked red.
The color of the wire does not show through two layers of wool blend yarn, even when wet. Chadwicks 477 has a slight pink tint when it is wet. Thanks for the comment, though.
Thank you for the vidio on the sawyer bug.
An interesting tie using the copper wire.
As a ex colour matcher/dyer specializing in dying wool and blends, i wonder why the hang up trying to find a commercial blended yarn. Make up your own blended mix then dub it as usual.
It is very interesting that so much effort has gone into trying to duplicate the original. Thanks for the comment.
@@fathersflyshop921 I believe the effort to duplicate the original is based on Sawyer's own comment that he felt the secret to the fly's success was the color - when wet the fly had a pinkish tan hue. The bad news is that none of the supposed substitutes is the right color. The Berocco is close but has no red fibers so it does not have a pinkish hue. The good news is that there isn't a fish alive that has seen the original so they won't know the color is off. I've mostly used a different Shetland Spindrift yarn, but the killer bugs tied from it have been extremely effective where I normally fish.
i'm colorblind so I do not see reds or greens, that said, the "original" is just a dark version, looks just like original boring old hairs ears to me, which you can get in a spool variety now too called "dreads" or something. It works just fine for me
I suppose the question is what it looks like to the fish.
For comparison, can the same three flies that are shown wet at 8:14, be photographed side by side, wet and when dry? That would be a proper photo in which to compare color changes, such as a hint of red (that has been mentioned in the video) in the Chadwicks 477 (original).
Hi, I get what you're saying. We actually show all three materials in comparison to one another at the beginning of the video. You can see that the Chadwicks seems to darken considerably and take on a slight red tint. The others remain pretty much the same color as they are when dry.
We will consider this for an update at some point in the future.
Thanks for the suggestion!
Very nice work. There is to much mythic atuff about the wool. Any vaguely simialr wool works. :-)
Bet catch ratio 1:1 for all three flies.
You’re probably right on…but then why does Sawyer mention it so many times. And why are there so many efforts to find or make a Chadwick’s substitute? I will say that I saw a picture of a sowbug in one of the local fly fishing group’s newsletter. It was eerily close to the color of the Chadwick’s wet. Gonna have to try it.
Interesting, some observations, the best formula I know is coming from "Nymphs and the trout" from Sawyer himself and the exact replica was made by now unfortunatly recently deceased, Oliver Edwards. First observation some fisherman sold Chadwick but to expensive. The best substitute I know, (colour, diameter, colour wet (frequently pinkish) is actually a not very well known yarn, the Berroco ultra alapaca fine n° 1214, virtually same colour and just a little thicker. Advantage you have a huge amount of yarn for a really small prize. Now your interpretation have some problems. You put your yarn to far and close the gape of the hook. The original formula is: Not precised size hook but larger than for the pheasant tail. Chadwick 477 (because Sawyer stole material to his women to do his flies) and the copper, red and three times thicker than for the pheasant tail.
-First begin to wrap the copper (left a little tag) from the back (do not overlap or close you must have a work as clean as possible no bumps), go to the front in touching turns,
-when you are close return back (all of turns touch the others it is a question to put as much as possible copper to have more weight but not overgrow the underbody),
-when you arrive with a little tag of the beginning you overlock the copper.
-Trim off the tag but leave the returning copper.
-Take your yarn and put it on the hook, from the eye, overlock with the yarn when you returning to the back, when you arrive at the end of the straight shaft, return to the eye, after go one more time to the back.
-than lock over with your copper and cover the yarn to lock off with four turns from the back to the front.
-Cut both.
-For more solidity Edwards says that he put a little drop of super glue the only modern add to this extraordinary fly.
Historically the goal of these fly was terrible! This fly was made to eradicate the graylings from the chalkstreams. During these dark days, they were considered as pests, eating trouts and salmon eggs and than will be removed from the river at all cost. Now the grayling in Europe is considered as the "lady of the stream" and my favorite fish, catch frequently on killer bug. With respect.
Thank you for the additional information. I appreciate it. You might take a look at this video by David McPhail which displays several flies tied by Sawyer. I think the killer bug he shows differs from the description Edwards provides in several ways. As I mention in the video, Sawyer did not rib at least the version that McPhail has. Here is the video: ua-cam.com/video/wMcQQnaboLE/v-deo.html
@@fathersflyshop921 I see three important points: First you have two rows of copper wire, second you have three rows of yarn and third as said by Edwards the shape is not a rugby ball but it is more a cylindrical shape.
Thank you for your comment.
would anyone offer to send me a few yards of the substitute Spendthrift Oyster yarn so i could tie a Sawyer a killer Bug