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Panfish Champion: Catch More With The Black Foam Beetle! Works on Trout Too!
I have been putting cold water (trout) flies on the channel. I found a new lake nearby and wanted to try some of these Black Beetles that have been really successful in the past. So here is a great fly for warm water that also works in cold water. It is also really easy to tie.
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Tie Better BWOs: Tighter Segments, Better Color
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This video will show you how to tie a small segmented body on a baetis BWO with a stripped turkey flat quill. We will post a video soon to show you how to strip these and select colors that match naturals, so subscribe to the channel to make sure you don't miss those. www.troutnut.com/hatch/240/Mayfly-Baetis-tricaudatus-Blue-Winged-Olive ua-cam.com/video/a8boSmY7Q8Q/v-deo.html 00:00 - Start 00:...
Creating A Stunning Eastern Blue Winged Olive With A Goose Biot: Step By Step Tutorial
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The fly we call the Blue Winged Olive is actually a collection of several species of mayfly. This video demonstrates tying a Small Eastern Blue Winged Olive (size #18). For pictures of naturals (not included in the video because of copyright issues), take a look at the links below: www.troutnut.com/common-name/245/Small-Eastern-Blue-Winged-Olives www.troutnut.com/hatch/180/mayfly-baetis-blue-wi...
Uncovering the Secrets Of The Old Guide's Fly
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A great soft hackle hare's ear that seems to always produce fish when I'm nymping. Produced great on a recent guide trip to the Little Red River in AR. Materials: www.fathersflyshop.com 00:00 - Start 00:08 - Hook and Bead in Vise 00:21 - Tailing the Fly 00:53 - Body Dubbing 01:29 - Hackle 02:21 - Finishing Up
Mastering The Art Of Tying The Iconic Clouser Deep Minnow!
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A fly that imitates baitfish. Works in fresh and salt water. Tie these in sizes from 8 to 6/0 (maybe larger). Link to video on attaching barbell eyes: ua-cam.com/video/FXS15GdER6w/v-deo.html Visit us at our online shop for materials: www.fathersflyshop.com 00:00 - Start 00:18 - Hook Selection for the Clouser 00:27 - Barbell Eyes Attached 00:37 - Choosing Bucktail for the Clouser 03:09 - Adding ...
Get Ready To Rumble With The Rattling Clouser!
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A fly with a rattle that turns bass around for a second look! Not only illustrates tying a productive version of the Clouser Minnow, but also a technique for attaching rattles to larger flies. Video on attaching barbell eyes securely: ua-cam.com/video/FXS15GdER6w/v-deo.html
Master The Art Of Tying Barbell And Bead Chain Eyes Without Spinning!
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Barbell and bead chain eyes add weight to several types of patterns like streamers, baitfish imitations, and Clousers. If you tie them in wrong, they spin around the hook as you cast. This video shows how to tie in barbell or bead chain eyes to prevent them from spinning around the hook. This is a short video showing only how to tie in eyes. It is referenced from other video descriptions where ...
Mastering The Micro Jigged Rabbit Strip Streamer Tie!
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Here's a tiny streamer when you need a streamer for a light rig. Visit us at www.fathersflyshop.com for materials.
Top Three Deadly Thread Midge Patterns For Trout!
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Midges are everywhere! Lakes, streams, warm and cold water. Here are three quick thread midge patterns you can tie in different colors to match the hatch on your local water. 00:00 - Start 00:06 - Midge 1: Thread and Wire 03:12 - Midge 2: Midge with Shuck or Gills 05:46 - Midge 3: Black Zebra Midge
Learn How To Tie A Killer Olive Hare's Ear Fly Using A Hare's Mask!
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A Hare's Ear is one of the flies that every fly fisher should have in their fly box. This video shows how to tie a hare's ear from a hare's mask. How to select the fur for the abdomen, thorax, and tail. Then how to mix it using compressed air. This fly can be used to imitate several types of mayfly larvae (a couple are shown in the video). 00:00 - Start 00:14 - Material Discussion - Hare's Mask...
Tying the Small Stream Clouser: the Foxee Redd Minnow
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A clouser for skinny water, tied using Red Fox tail fibers. Bob Clouser says in his book that these fibers provide the movement needed for the clouser fly, and are short enough to tie smaller and more compact flies. Visit us at www.fathersflyshop.com 00:00 - Start 00:03 - Introduction 00:52 - Setting the Barbell Eyes 02:23 - Red Fox Tail material overview 03:26 - Cutting belly fibers from the f...
Fly Tying 101: Starting The Thread
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The first operation in tying a fly is attaching the thread to the hook. This is done with a Jamb knot. It is called a jamb knot because it "jambs" the loose end of the thread against the hook shank. There are several ways to get a jamb knot started, and three are demonstrated in this video. Come visit us at www.fathersflyshop.com 00:00 - Start 00:23 - #1 - Wrapping the thread around your finger...
The First Fly To Tie: Learning to Tie a Thread Body
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This is the first fly we use in our fly tying course to get new tyers used to dealing with thread, the vise, hooks, wraps, head cement, etc. It also introduces acquatic larvae physiology (segments) and shows examples of acquatic larvae that are similar to the fly we are tying. Visit is at fathersflyshop.com 00:00 - Start 00:26 - Materials 00:50 - Starting the Thread 03:03 - Ribbing 04:47 - Head...
Utah Killer Bug Variant and Ideas
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The Utah Killer Bug is based on Frank Sawyer's Killer Bug. A good number of people tie this bug, and all seem to tie it a bit different. Check out this simple tie and see what you think. Visit us at fathersflyshop.com 00:00 - Start 00:15 - Hook and thread start 00:37 - Options for body yarn 01:29 - Copper wire for weight 04:06 - Finished Fly
Tying an American Pheasant Tail
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This is a must-have bug for most anglers. In a later video we'll discuss why this and the Hare's Ear Nymph should be in every fly box. Visit us at www.fathersflyshop.com 00:00 - Start 00:14 - Materials 00:46 - Applying the Pheasant Tail 01:56 - Wrapping the Pheasant Tail Body and Wire Ribbing 03:01 - Peacock Herl Thorax 04:35 - Wing Case and Finishing Up
How to Tie a Classic Squirrel Tail Streamer
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How to Tie a Classic Squirrel Tail Streamer
Tying Sawyer's Killer Bug - How close did we get to the original?
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Tying Sawyer's Killer Bug - How close did we get to the original?
Tying A Mop Fly With Semperfli's Mopster Chenille (Thorax Dubbing Loop)
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Tying A Mop Fly With Semperfli's Mopster Chenille (Thorax Dubbing Loop)
How to tie a Simple Rainbow Fry (small rainbow) streamer pattern
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How to tie a Simple Rainbow Fry (small rainbow) streamer pattern
How to tie Troth's Hair Cricket
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How to tie Troth's Hair Cricket
Fly Tying Thread: Why are there so many?
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Fly Tying Thread: Why are there so many?
Tying the Squirmy Wormy
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Tying the Squirmy Wormy
What are trout eating? Use a pump and find out!
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What are trout eating? Use a pump and find out!
Fly Tying - How to Dye Fly Tying Materials
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Fly Tying - How to Dye Fly Tying Materials
Sexy Walt's Worm
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Sexy Walt's Worm
Mop Fly - How to Tie a Mop Fly
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Mop Fly - How to Tie a Mop Fly
Bloody Midge - Fly Tying
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Bloody Midge - Fly Tying
Walts Worm Bead Head (Variant) - Fly Tying Video - Father's Fly Shop
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Walts Worm Bead Head (Variant) - Fly Tying Video - Father's Fly Shop
Original Walts Worm - Fly Tying
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Original Walts Worm - Fly Tying
Trout Crack Fly - Tying the Trout Crack fly
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Trout Crack Fly - Tying the Trout Crack fly

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  • @stevevks
    @stevevks Місяць тому

    All are go to patterns for me.

  • @BobMacLeod-ru5uj
    @BobMacLeod-ru5uj Місяць тому

    I concur - a very well made fly thank you for this

  • @ThePdog3k
    @ThePdog3k Місяць тому

    I really like fly fishing and want to learn more but there are so many words to learn it is overwhelming

  • @working_the_wood4792
    @working_the_wood4792 Місяць тому

    This was a very well made video, thank you for sharing.

    • @fathersflyshop921
      @fathersflyshop921 Місяць тому

      Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for the comment. More to come!

  • @joef1299
    @joef1299 2 місяці тому

    Clean clouser. Interesting eye placement.

    • @fathersflyshop921
      @fathersflyshop921 2 місяці тому

      Thanks. Pretty much followed Clouser's eye placement. Further back on the hook keeps the fly from taking a nose dive when stripped (travels more level in the water).

  • @chili1593
    @chili1593 4 місяці тому

    Nice ones thanks

  • @MrRourk
    @MrRourk 5 місяців тому

    The Killer Kebari is a very effective fly for Tenkara

  • @randydeskins9359
    @randydeskins9359 5 місяців тому

    Interesting video. 🎣

  • @user-vq9wf9hk8e
    @user-vq9wf9hk8e 5 місяців тому

    Если твоя монтажная нить-полиэстер,то эта мушка будет плохо работать. У полиэстера-маленький коэффициент смачиваемости водой. Это значит,что у силуэта твоей мушки будет сильный блик. Рыба любит контрастный силуэт мушки. Или покрывай муху акриловым лаком,или ищи монтажную нить из шёлка,капрона или тонкое полушерстяное мулине. Ничего нового ты не показал,развивайся по части Материаловедения.

  • @glenndotter5065
    @glenndotter5065 6 місяців тому

    I am sure a trout will look at these and say that isnt 477 so I'm not eatin it!

    • @fathersflyshop921
      @fathersflyshop921 6 місяців тому

      Most people carry a variety of colors. If I knew that dark olive got hits and light olive didn't, I'd fish dark olive. At least for his waters, Sawyer seemed to think that the color of Chadwick's 477 was most productive.

  • @dmm3124
    @dmm3124 6 місяців тому

    Sawyer used a red copper wire, which is why the fly looked red.

    • @fathersflyshop921
      @fathersflyshop921 6 місяців тому

      The color of the wire does not show through two layers of wool blend yarn, even when wet. Chadwicks 477 has a slight pink tint when it is wet. Thanks for the comment, though.

  • @graymain
    @graymain 6 місяців тому

    I will try that pattern sometime soon i think!

  • @bradleyflood4213
    @bradleyflood4213 6 місяців тому

    Great looking flies, thanks for sharing!!

  • @tulix9572
    @tulix9572 6 місяців тому

    Super, thank you 👍👍👍

  • @HalfInsaneOutdoorGuy
    @HalfInsaneOutdoorGuy 7 місяців тому

    i'm colorblind so I do not see reds or greens, that said, the "original" is just a dark version, looks just like original boring old hairs ears to me, which you can get in a spool variety now too called "dreads" or something. It works just fine for me

    • @fathersflyshop921
      @fathersflyshop921 7 місяців тому

      I suppose the question is what it looks like to the fish.

  • @bigjimwvmtman9995
    @bigjimwvmtman9995 7 місяців тому

    Bet catch ratio 1:1 for all three flies.

    • @fathersflyshop921
      @fathersflyshop921 7 місяців тому

      You’re probably right on…but then why does Sawyer mention it so many times. And why are there so many efforts to find or make a Chadwick’s substitute? I will say that I saw a picture of a sowbug in one of the local fly fishing group’s newsletter. It was eerily close to the color of the Chadwick’s wet. Gonna have to try it.

  • @bluetoad2001
    @bluetoad2001 8 місяців тому

    would anyone offer to send me a few yards of the substitute Spendthrift Oyster yarn so i could tie a Sawyer a killer Bug

  • @chili1593
    @chili1593 9 місяців тому

    Really good instruction

  • @jaykaneshige6251
    @jaykaneshige6251 9 місяців тому

    Hey FFS.. great instruction and your pics of the naturals are very helpful!

    • @fathersflyshop921
      @fathersflyshop921 9 місяців тому

      Thanks. I appreciate that. More video with naturals to come.

  • @user-es9fm7px6t
    @user-es9fm7px6t 9 місяців тому

    Love it, that would work good for my size 28 and 30 hooks.

    • @fathersflyshop921
      @fathersflyshop921 9 місяців тому

      If you''re tying that small, you must be an Ed Engle fan. He has a video somewhere around here where he ties a size 30 or 32. Best line of the video: "Make sure you wear eye protection when you handle these..."

  • @tonythomas5978
    @tonythomas5978 9 місяців тому

    Lovely bug and super fish catcher. I tie them pretty much the same way except I use lead wire for the under body/ weight.

  • @edbosley1138
    @edbosley1138 9 місяців тому

    They work great I like using them

  • @Kab_On_The_Fly
    @Kab_On_The_Fly 10 місяців тому

    Where did you get that whip finisher? Thanks for the videos.

    • @fathersflyshop921
      @fathersflyshop921 10 місяців тому

      Hi. Glad the videos are helpful. The Whip Finisher is a Marc Petitjean product. I can't get them from our distributor anymore, but you might find them still in stock somewhere else. If not, you can order them directly from Marc.

  • @ernieflynn5124
    @ernieflynn5124 10 місяців тому

    Your a pleasure to watch. I like this fly, it has a very classic look to it. I think I'll give this one a try. Thanks again.

  • @waynehughes8616
    @waynehughes8616 10 місяців тому

    For comparison, can the same three flies that are shown wet at 8:14, be photographed side by side, wet and when dry? That would be a proper photo in which to compare color changes, such as a hint of red (that has been mentioned in the video) in the Chadwicks 477 (original).

    • @fathersflyshop921
      @fathersflyshop921 10 місяців тому

      Hi, I get what you're saying. We actually show all three materials in comparison to one another at the beginning of the video. You can see that the Chadwicks seems to darken considerably and take on a slight red tint. The others remain pretty much the same color as they are when dry. We will consider this for an update at some point in the future. Thanks for the suggestion!

  • @waynemorrisjr.3184
    @waynemorrisjr.3184 10 місяців тому

    Cool

  • @bensonkanemoto1879
    @bensonkanemoto1879 10 місяців тому

    Tying with scissors in hand is very efficient!

    • @fathersflyshop921
      @fathersflyshop921 10 місяців тому

      It's great as long as your nose doesn't itch while tying! Tight lines! Thanks for the comment.

  • @nickpenque7321
    @nickpenque7321 10 місяців тому

    Definitely a difference in the color,nice job,I have Sawyers book and it sounds right!

  • @ianrobbie5297
    @ianrobbie5297 11 місяців тому

    Thank you for the vidio on the sawyer bug. An interesting tie using the copper wire. As a ex colour matcher/dyer specializing in dying wool and blends, i wonder why the hang up trying to find a commercial blended yarn. Make up your own blended mix then dub it as usual.

    • @fathersflyshop921
      @fathersflyshop921 11 місяців тому

      It is very interesting that so much effort has gone into trying to duplicate the original. Thanks for the comment.

    • @christopherstewart9874
      @christopherstewart9874 8 місяців тому

      @@fathersflyshop921 I believe the effort to duplicate the original is based on Sawyer's own comment that he felt the secret to the fly's success was the color - when wet the fly had a pinkish tan hue. The bad news is that none of the supposed substitutes is the right color. The Berocco is close but has no red fibers so it does not have a pinkish hue. The good news is that there isn't a fish alive that has seen the original so they won't know the color is off. I've mostly used a different Shetland Spindrift yarn, but the killer bugs tied from it have been extremely effective where I normally fish.

  • @TERRYBIGGENDEN
    @TERRYBIGGENDEN 11 місяців тому

    Once again. very nicely presented. Tha nk you. :-)

  • @TERRYBIGGENDEN
    @TERRYBIGGENDEN 11 місяців тому

    Very nice work. There is to much mythic atuff about the wool. Any vaguely simialr wool works. :-)

  • @limoucheu8522
    @limoucheu8522 11 місяців тому

    Interesting, some observations, the best formula I know is coming from "Nymphs and the trout" from Sawyer himself and the exact replica was made by now unfortunatly recently deceased, Oliver Edwards. First observation some fisherman sold Chadwick but to expensive. The best substitute I know, (colour, diameter, colour wet (frequently pinkish) is actually a not very well known yarn, the Berroco ultra alapaca fine n° 1214, virtually same colour and just a little thicker. Advantage you have a huge amount of yarn for a really small prize. Now your interpretation have some problems. You put your yarn to far and close the gape of the hook. The original formula is: Not precised size hook but larger than for the pheasant tail. Chadwick 477 (because Sawyer stole material to his women to do his flies) and the copper, red and three times thicker than for the pheasant tail. -First begin to wrap the copper (left a little tag) from the back (do not overlap or close you must have a work as clean as possible no bumps), go to the front in touching turns, -when you are close return back (all of turns touch the others it is a question to put as much as possible copper to have more weight but not overgrow the underbody), -when you arrive with a little tag of the beginning you overlock the copper. -Trim off the tag but leave the returning copper. -Take your yarn and put it on the hook, from the eye, overlock with the yarn when you returning to the back, when you arrive at the end of the straight shaft, return to the eye, after go one more time to the back. -than lock over with your copper and cover the yarn to lock off with four turns from the back to the front. -Cut both. -For more solidity Edwards says that he put a little drop of super glue the only modern add to this extraordinary fly. Historically the goal of these fly was terrible! This fly was made to eradicate the graylings from the chalkstreams. During these dark days, they were considered as pests, eating trouts and salmon eggs and than will be removed from the river at all cost. Now the grayling in Europe is considered as the "lady of the stream" and my favorite fish, catch frequently on killer bug. With respect.

    • @fathersflyshop921
      @fathersflyshop921 11 місяців тому

      Thank you for the additional information. I appreciate it. You might take a look at this video by David McPhail which displays several flies tied by Sawyer. I think the killer bug he shows differs from the description Edwards provides in several ways. As I mention in the video, Sawyer did not rib at least the version that McPhail has. Here is the video: ua-cam.com/video/wMcQQnaboLE/v-deo.html

    • @limoucheu8522
      @limoucheu8522 11 місяців тому

      @@fathersflyshop921 I see three important points: First you have two rows of copper wire, second you have three rows of yarn and third as said by Edwards the shape is not a rugby ball but it is more a cylindrical shape.

    • @fathersflyshop921
      @fathersflyshop921 11 місяців тому

      Thank you for your comment.

  • @TheQwik512
    @TheQwik512 11 місяців тому

    I bought a skein of Jamieson's Shetland Spindrift #290 (Oyster) years ago which is a very close match IMO. Easy tie, Works great

  • @TheQwik512
    @TheQwik512 11 місяців тому

    Love the Spring River. Don’t get to fish it very often anymore since I moved back to South Texas.

  • @bribblr
    @bribblr 11 місяців тому

    awesome video! gonna try this

  • @Sirskibumsalot
    @Sirskibumsalot 11 місяців тому

    I just tied up a few tiny streamers a few days ago in white and chartreuse ...1 1/4" - 1 1/2" long .....and used them yesterday on a huge creek pool ...they really worked well . Brookies, rainbows and tiger trout ate them up almost every cast ....thanks for the video ...cheers

    • @fathersflyshop921
      @fathersflyshop921 11 місяців тому

      Thanks for the info. Congratulations on your catch. Tight lines!

  • @chrisforbes5679
    @chrisforbes5679 11 місяців тому

    My father and I booked a trip with Mark himself up in Mammoth Springs. Top notch guide. Great to see his name pop up every once in a while.

  • @GeorgeSemel
    @GeorgeSemel Рік тому

    Nice, a variation of the Letort Chricket. Good fishing fly. I would guess that dyed deer hair would work as well fo that style and a bit easier to find. I good friend of mine fished with Al quite a bit. I think a 50 or 100 D black GSP would make it easier to tie down the hair. GSP been my go to for spun hair flies. I don't know who that other guy is, just a troll.

    • @fathersflyshop921
      @fathersflyshop921 Рік тому

      Hi, and thanks for the comment. I've tied this with a spun deer hair head, but the deer hair I have seems a little short for the doubled body. An inch and a half or better hair seems to make the fold without too many short hairs left. GSP is a good choice for lots of ties, but I find it too slick to spin hair well. I've generally used Danville's Flat Waxed thread, which seems to grip and spin well (also is what Mike George says he uses). This fly is too small for that, though. Trolls abound! Tight lines!

  • @rhabdob3895
    @rhabdob3895 Рік тому

    Sorry dad. Wayhayhay too messy for me to concentrate on what you are doing.

    • @fathersflyshop921
      @fathersflyshop921 Рік тому

      Thanks for the feedback. I do need to cover that waste basket.

  • @kennethsanders963
    @kennethsanders963 Рік тому

    junk !

    • @fathersflyshop921
      @fathersflyshop921 Рік тому

      Thanks for your opinion. I’m sure Al Troth won’t be offended that you don’t like his fly.

  • @lastcoyote2355
    @lastcoyote2355 Рік тому

    Too bad you were using a split screen… difficult to see the fly .

    • @fathersflyshop921
      @fathersflyshop921 Рік тому

      Thanks for the comment. We have upgraded all our equipment and recordings. Newer videos are done in a different way.

  • @richardduvall6512
    @richardduvall6512 2 роки тому

    Why is everyone useing D rib on the back of this fly wouldn't scud back or nymph skin work just as well?

    • @fathersflyshop921
      @fathersflyshop921 2 роки тому

      The original recipe called for d-rib. I generally tie it that way, but a thin strip from a 4mm baggie doubled works too. I’ve fished them that way. The light refraction off the d-rib is a bit different, though. The items you mention as well as clear skin products will work.

    • @richardduvall6512
      @richardduvall6512 2 роки тому

      @@fathersflyshop921 ok I was wondering the other things are way easier to tie in

  • @marksleeper9385
    @marksleeper9385 2 роки тому

    Wow great fly

  • @cephasmcpher67peteroutdoorspip
    @cephasmcpher67peteroutdoorspip 2 роки тому

    I'm looking to upgrade from my Griffin Spyder vise and have been looking at this vise for awhile but there just isn't enough user reviews on it so i'll probably go with a tried and true vise like the Peak or Renzetti but I like the look of this vise and the fact that it doesn't have plastic screws or aluminum parts. But like I said I wish more actual users that paid out of pocket for it would give a review and not just the people trying to sell it.

    • @fathersflyshop921
      @fathersflyshop921 2 роки тому

      I understand. Of course, you could return it if you don't like it. I have tried Peak, Norvise, and DynaKing's Ultimate Indexer. All of them have their plusses and minuses. I've learned that reviews aren't all they're cracked up to be.

  • @franklinwattimena4349
    @franklinwattimena4349 3 роки тому

    i own the same vise it's awesome vise for the money buy one you will not regret it thanks for sharing! greetings from the netherlands.

  • @bruceacphoto5240
    @bruceacphoto5240 4 роки тому

    Thank you sir. Very helpful

  • @boonencrocket3541
    @boonencrocket3541 6 років тому

    Yes I do own one!! And on amazon, they CLEARLY MENTION, that this Vise, handles hook sizes, from #24 to 6/0

  • @altexlan415
    @altexlan415 6 років тому

    most fool never say the max size hook that it can hold, I tie saltwater fly till 9/0, how?

  • @bobpalmer1964
    @bobpalmer1964 8 років тому

    The vise in the video has a stem extension installed. Without the extension, it is a bit shorter, and the extension comes with the vise. The pressure required to seat a hook depends on how well you have the jaws adjusted, but I think it is pretty easy.

  • @gsplife937
    @gsplife937 8 років тому

    Anyone have this vice? I'm wondering how good it is. I was planning to order an Anvil Atlas but this one looks pretty nice too for the same price.

    • @altexlan415
      @altexlan415 6 років тому

      I need cow strength to hold s hook on Anvil Atlas, so I sold it off.