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By the way: charging power ist given in kW (kilowatts), NOT kWh (kilowatthour, as you say it). kWh is the electric energy, so 1kW of charging power for one hour is 1kWh of energy. But still the charging power was 1 kW.
He said its been a champ, that's quite promising! High praise for such high miles. Make sure you use a referral link, mine or a friend/families of yours! Huge discounts to be had for WHEN you get your dream car 😁
Good video. Both to show what a brilliant car Tesla is and also to show all those self proclaimed experts that claim you can't drive and you can't charge in cold because the only thing working when it's freezing cold is ICE cars. Obviously you can both drive and charge the car. Glad to see. Thanks.
Great seeing these videos about cold temperature usage. We never get that cold where we are in New York, but it’s interesting seeing it behave well and consistently even in really extreme cold. We have driven our Model 3 on many trips in hot and cold weather without problems, including when I drove it to Florida and back.
I have the Highland SR here in Bulgaria. The LFP battery need a lot more heating to get to these speeds and here is not so cold, it's like 0 C, so bere this in mind, the LFP battery is not so good in the cold, if you live in cold area and plan to use fast chargers get the NMC battery car, all long ranges and performance models. I don't have problems with the slower charging because most of the time I charge at home, but for some people it may be a problem.
Great video! I'm thinking of buying a Model 3 when the winter ends. I have a friend with a Model S that he bought new in 2016. He let me know that all Superchargers are not the same. Some are much faster than others. It was -24F this morning on my Subaru thermometer so this is great information for me.
theresz V1 (which i think is conpletely gone) and is i wanna say 75KW. V2 which is originally 125KW i believe but mostly upped to 150KW. then V3 which is 250KW. then V4 is coming out but idk the specs
Hey man, super glad you’re doing these tests. I live in North Dakota and have been considering a Tesla, but have had great hesitation due to never seeing testing at significant below zero temps. Prior to you coldest test I saw was -20 F, we just came off a few days of -60 F windchill. Keep up the good work!
When you buy make sure you use a referral link, mine of a friend of yours!! I'm loving it so far, definitely stay tuned, we just had an insane - 36c / - 33f night the other day and I left the car outside all night unplugged. It's an epic test, out next Tues!
When it comes to charging the battery it's only the thermometer temperature that matters. Windchill matters ...only when you have to step out of the car to plug it in! LOL
great test, but another data point would that would be very useful is actual battery temperature, you can get that by going into service menu on a tesla or by getting OBD scanner. It would be useful to see what was the battery temperature before you started preconditioning, right at plugging in at supercharger and by the end of charging.
we've had a cold snap in the UK with temps down to about -7C and i'm finding that when turning on climate/pre-heating with the car still connected to mains power, it takes a good hour for the battery to get up from 6 to 16C (monitored using the Tessie app) which then means your Wh/Mi is 'normal'. A lot longer than you might think. Doesn't matter at all for day to day commuting using up a bit more power, but for a road-trip, where every % might matter, it's well worth turning on climate way ahead of time.
Pre-heating does help a lot. I agree - the Tesla does a brilliant job keeping cabin warm and the passengers comfortable. Honestly, the 20% to 80% charge test is a more practical example than silly extreme tests anyway.
I just traded in my 2023 Bolt for a 2024 Tesla Model 3 after experiencing an EV nightmare over the holidays. It was about -8c and I was travelling from Moncton to Fredericton in my Bolt. I stopped to charge at a 50kW charger and was pulling 25kW. It was after midnight and I wanted to get home so I bailed and tried the next fast charger down the road, also 50kW. By the time I got to the charger, it was -17c. There is no preconditioning option on the Bolt. Since my battery was low, I had been driving slowly and carefully to conserve energy. The battery was not very hot. When I plugged in to charge, the vehicle refused to take the fast charge. There was a level 2 charger at the same location so I plugged into that in the meantime. Tried calling the maintenance people on the charger and there was nothing they could do. It was my car. I ended up driving home in -17c, going slow on the highway and arriving home with about 9 percent charge. Started looking for a Tesla the next day! haha! I've had my Model 3 for a week now and I just love it!
@ i think a hybrid rv would be an interesting idea. generally they have problems on big hills. regenerative breaking on down slopes as well as ev assited acceleration and disel/gas highway speeds would probably bring the cost of fuel down a lot. plus they actually have a lot of surface area for solar pannels. on top of that, using the ev battery to power the appliances would be nice.
@@jebes909090 the new Volkswagen EV campers look promising. I’ll wait a few years though because I think they will fix some of the issues I see now going forward. I can retrofit my 1989 VW vanagon to electric for about 75 grand. The place isn’t far from me. My engines being rebuilt now so maybe I should have thought about this a few months ago. lol
With ~45 minutes preconditioning in 60f/15c, my Y hit 220KW at 15%. It usually goes higher than that when I navigate at least an hour before arriving. I was not expecting your car to get that high of a charge with just 15 minutes of preconditioning. Assuming you arrived with no preconditioning before plugging in, it looks like you could wait
Great video. I set my Model Y to 77F before I leave when plugged in the garage (unheated) and then lower it to 67F when I leave home. Saves a bit of battery. No problems ever in cold weather (or any other time for that matter). It was -21F here last night (mid Minnesota).
In December we were coming back from Massachusetts to visit inlaws 2 times. Both times it was about 25F (-4C), and I plugged in at 5% battery. I have a 2023 Y/AWD Long Range. You added 48 kW in 35 minutes. I got 50 kW/23 minutes and 52 kW/25 minutes. In one of those times I hit 259 kW/h for a few seconds when plugging in! (since plugging in with low battery). I'm surprised you didn't get the message 'heating battery while charging for optimal performance' - I've gotten that maybe 3 times on road trips even when navigating to the chargers.
I am very surprised I didn't get the heating message too. But I'll take it! Might have to do an outside overnight in the cold and then navigate to supercharger test soon
Not nearly as cold in new england but a good test is to start charging when you get home and battery is warm and reducing charge rate to finish right before you leave it should be more efficient because you never have to re heat the pack.
I agree I haven't been able to figure out a way to nail that in with having a somewhat random schedule. I definitely do charge immediately when I get home though to save on the heating the pack
A friend of mine just drove to Chicago to pick up a 2023 AWD Model 3 battery pack for $2000 USD. Low miles about 25k miles. So no need to be so paranoid about how you care for your pack. These are cheaper than an engine or transmission for a regular car at this point.
Nice! Good video. It’d be awesome to see another test where you really cold soak it, 12+ hours outside, and plug in without preconditioning. Just to see what would happen.
Wow! I'm impressed! I live waaay down in Naples, FL and it takes that same amount of time to charge my M3 at the local super charger from 20-80% when it's like +23C out! That's with a 10min warning to warm up to pack too! I hardly ever see my charge rate go over 100Kw either! BTW my car is a 2025 too and had it 2 months. Still on free super charging.
Great video man! Love hearing of others driving their Teslas for work. I do lots of road trips in mine (30k in 7 months), and it’s been nothing short of amazing to own.
@ I had a 22 MYP that was falling apart rapidly after we went through its first winter. The 24 M3 Highland has been rock solid this whole time, even in the Manitoba cold.
@ it’s an interesting story as to why I got rid of it, but yes everything was still under warranty! Do you have a place to send you a DM? It’s a good story
I don't have a real world number for you, but for every extra 5 min or so preconditioning in that cold, you might have something like 20-30 kW more charge speeds till the max of the charging curve. I'm in southern california and the coldest my M3 has ever been is about 40F (4c) and it needed about 30 min of preconditioning to get "normal" charge speeds. So if you were navigating to a charger on a road trip, you'd have much better charge performance. Those Tesla heat pumps are quite amazing.Also, you keep replacing kW saying kWh. kW, in this scenario, measures the charging speed or power rate at which your EV battery is charged. kWh measures the energy capacity or how much energy your EV battery stores. Thanks for the video!
My car may never have seen temps as warm as 4c yet hahaha as I bought in winter. Funny difference. Ahh yes I'll try to get those energy units sorted, I'm new at this!
@@FrozenTesla It's fine and you're doing a great job. You're a better speaker than me. I won't even attempt a channel. I wish I could. I have a lot of data and facts in my head, with no place to lay it out haha. Keep it up!
It's great following your little adventures in the cold, even though we have a Kia Niro! (Similar cold though, today we were at -22C). We don't need to fast charge often but indeed the preheating is so essential it seems when we do. One thing I have always wondered about (or just assumed) is whether leaving our car plugged in to the Level 2 at home overnight actually helps keep things a little bit warmer. I am feeling that the car must be charging off and on through the night even though it charges up in the evening before. Or maybe I am just being nostalgic about the old block heaters. Anyway, that's what we do. Also, of course, it allows us not to drain the battery while we heat up the car before heating out. LOVE electric cars in winter. My old Toyota never heats up enough to heat the cabin in this weather with the small routes we do ....
Ev are such a game changer!! As far as I know it doesn't automatically keep them warm even when plugged in, but I could be wrong haha. Thanks for watching!
I have not been in that cold a temp yet, but I didn't note any issues getting the full charge rate I would expect from my Ford Mustang Mach-E Rally on my last trip which was 700 miles at 15F. I also keep the cabin at 68F as that is what I have always used. My efficiency goes down, making for more or longer stops, but I have not had any issue with the car in operation or charging.
30/40 minutes of preconditioning, plus preheating it before going out definitely would’ve gotten you closer to the 250 kW speeds. Still wild how much it was pulling in with only 16 minutes of preconditioning though in that type of weather.
Thanks for the fascinating vid, really appreciate people like you doing unusual things with their Tesla taking the time to document and share! Would be useful to know exactly what model/battery you have, I assume not the LFP battery... Also if you get the Tessie app you can see the battery temperature as well as many other useful stats without any other hardware eg an ODB dongle.
Oh I have something better coming, S3XY buttons and knob from enhance auto! I will be able to display battery temp as a main stay on the knob. I can't wait for that!
Kwh is how much energy is in the battery pack. Kw= Power/energy/electricity that is going in your battery/how fast the energy is getting in your battery pack. Teslas do charge pretty good in cold weather. 😊
Great tests you‘re doing! Watching from Germany 🇩🇪 But just a little tip from an electrical engineer: the charging rate (power) is in kW (kilowatts) while the charged energy is in kWh (kilowatthours) ✌️
Great and useful test, thanks! 60% and 48 kWh means around 80 kWh full capacity which is very close to the actual capacity. So, even the charge losses where not even that huge....So, next time to have the charging losses calculated and included would be great. For that to be a bot more accurate, with decimals, an OBD is very useful.
Trust me I'm working on getting better gear! Enhance Auto is sending me their S3xy gadgets to try out, they have all kind of stats available in the app and on the knob. And they're a super cool crew. Can't wait to try out their products and have better info about my cars' battery!
Love the videos. Very informative and very useful. I kive in south africa so right now we dont have ahy electric cars. Watching the videis i would say electric dars are the future and for now tesla is leading the way. Thank you fornyour efforts in making these real life scenario videos.
So lets do a quick comparison: My 2023 Cupra Born reaches 40 kW in German winter at a supercharger (around - 1 °C ) even in summer i never saw the promised 150 kW soooo yeah GJ Tesla can't wait to get my Model 3 in the future :)
@@FrozenTesla unfortunately it doesn't so the battery must be cold af which explains the low charging speed... Tesla just outclasses every other electric car in nearly any possible way (although I'm very proud of my head up display and my massaging seats) :-)
Lol interesting priorities 🤣 Out of Spec reviews has a video where he compared charge rates in the cold of 2 identical Nissan leafs, "yo-yo'ing" one and softly driving the other before charging. The yo-yo car vastly out charges the softly driven one. Interesting video. Basically yo-yo'ing is flooring it and braking repeatedly to make the battery work extra hard and heat up in case you aren't familiar with the term
@@FrozenTesla not what I chose happened to came with this features 😁 That's something I also noticed flooring the car on motorway for some time also increases my charging speeds well i guess that's the preconditioning Cupra wants me to do lol 😂 this and only charging around 10 % to ensure higher speeds on the go :)
I guess he found an underserviced "niche market" 🙂 I'm in Ottawa and I have the same car but could not be bothered making the effort finding all that info for myself, so I subscribed the first time I came across the channel. Extremely useful (and reassuring) information.
Regardless of what percent you finish at you will have 5 min to unplug or you will get charged an idle fee and if it is very crowded then the fee goes up.
Interesting video, i have a mercedes EQC, i live in the UK and the coldest ive seen this year is -6c. My range is never great, 180 miles from a full charge with temp at 23c internally. Car is due for a renewal this year and thinking of a Model Y long range. I do a fair bit of milage as use my car for work so want abit more out of it, especially in the winter.
I have a '22 M3 SR with the LFP battery. It's currently -3 degrees Celsius. I precondtioned for nearly an hour and my rates were topping 80kW. It took 55 mins to go from 23% to 100%. I believe my battery is more difficult in the cold, but mine can charge to 100. With these cars it's really just give and take with the science! i'm in BC.
@ in the summer, if I remember correctly the charging tops 179/180 kW. It’s much better lol. I don’t have access to home charging, not yet anyway. Great videos!
I should try this on my 10 year old high mileage S, it will be different. The charge will take 3x longer but I would still have lots of heat and it would charge.
Of course it will work if you are smart enough to know how to charge it. Lots of people who own them are not smart enough to preheat the battery or run it to low to preheat.
It’s how often you have to supercharge on a road trip when it’s crazy cold is what gets me. In Michigan when it’s ultra cold I’ll leave the supercharger just to immediately start pre conditioning.
When you leave after supercharging to 80%, your battery should be around 100-140 degrees F, it might say that it’s preconditioning on your way to the next one, but I doubt there’s much power output until around 15-20 mins before you get to the next one, especially because normal driving should warm your battery a bit by itself
I have going same kind of test going like you. First winter in Finland on My X 2018, i've been Happy so far on my car. 😊 -25'C at best.. mostly home charge at approx.9kw(max11kw).
yes for sure. I have sexy gen2 commander and buttons and all the features are great, no knob for me though. Glossy black interior. I noticed that you had a screenshot of Tessie in a different video though. In the various sections of the app it will plot the battery temp on a graph. It’s great. Activity, charge, drives. It’s all there. So as far as the starting temp of your battery, the drive over, and the temp of it while it super charges, I’m super curious!! And Tessie will put all of that on to a single graph for ya. Pls and thanks!!
Aggghhhh I looked closer at this and it's the next paid tier up for that, haha! If the S3xy app doesn't show it as nice as Tessie does I think I'll pay for the higher end Tessie sub. Thanks for pointing that out! That's valuable info for my videos
Yeah I have a legacy Tessie account. I didn’t know it was in tiers. I have the S3XY app as well and I’ll tell you right now that it doesn’t have graphs. Only live readings. Maybe other apps that can connect to the commander can plot a graph but it still won’t be as good as Tessie because it will require for you to be in the car while it plots. Tessie pushes their graph through the car’s API so it’s all cloud magic.
1:05 I like videos that make the subject look convincing and presentable, especially without much effort. Like this moment when it's -23C, but the car provides enough warmth not only to sit without a jacket, but also all the windows without frost. Because you can often find videos where people praise some stoves, boilers or the like, but they have steam coming out of their mouths almost the entire video, that is, they praise, but in reality they are still cold and uncomfortable. Which does not characterize the subject of the discussion very well.
In freezing cold temps, do yourself a favor. Before getting out to charge, open the charge port from inside the car. One less step in the cold…then after charging, press the unlock charge port button on the screen before getting out of the car. It will eliminate the need to use the button on the charging cable.
Ahah genius! Truthfully I've never even once used the unlock charge port button on screen. It's just so simple when in at home to use the button on my connector and I've only supercharged twice now. Good catch
If it's cold enough the battery heaters kick on automatically to keep the battery from getting dangerously cold so I'd assume it'd be similar where it needs to be plugged in while not in use to allow the battery to keep itself warm, I mean people drive Nissan leafs up in the artic circle so I doubt it's impossible
@@KiRiTO72987modern Teslas don’t have dedicated battery heaters, so I’m curious if the heatpump will just randomly start up if the car is parked in -25F or worse overnight. Or if it will use the motor stators instead to create some heat…
2 years back, near Vermillion, my coworker was trying to charge his Tesla to drive 2 hrs back to Edmonton for Xmas break. It was -28 and we had a 110 outlet. No bueno. Couldn’t gain even 1% charge. So, we had to horde it in (plastic tarps from oil), use a Herman Nelson heater on propane, and plugged in. In 48 hrs time, he gained enough charge to get home. Not the best solution for Alberta in winter without super chargers. He was panicked.
Got my Model 3 long range at 200kW today on a -24 outside, however I preconditionned it for 30 minutes duration before that. You should definitively buy a SCAN MY TESLA app and the OBDII harness. You will have acces to teh live battery temperature, min and max cell temp, battery coolant inlet and outlet temperature, Rear and front motor stator temperature, etc All the data that you NEED to better understand what's happening under the hood!
You might try to let the car overnight at these temperatures and get real results, since it would be impossible to heat the battery from -25c to +4c in just 15 minutes.
For someone living in a cold climate i do not consider 15 minute preconditioning a real-world scenario. I know already that it takes way longer than that and plan more then 1 hour of driving before supercharging.
Dude! Every time you read the charge rate (i.e. 80 kW) you 100% of the time say "80 kW *hours* which is _not_ correct! The *rate* and the *total* *charge* are different measures! In the same way that the speed and the total distance are totally different..
I own a 2021 Tesla Model 3 Standard range, got it used with a mileage of 120k, already done almost 30k and have no complaints. However, there is one thing I can't understand. Energy used to drive from 80% to 30% - 20kwh, energy added when charging back to 80% - 24kWh. Where is my 4kwh gone? Tried this on multiple configurations, 100 to 0, 100 to 50, 80 to 30, 60 to 10 ... also in different weather conditions, from +30C to -30C. This number is pretty consistent, exactly 8 kWh on a full charge or 4 kWh on 50%. Battery degradation is 10-12% which is normal for this age and mileage. Would be really grateful if you could test it on your car.
I have tracked this myself, similar results, I truly believe it's as simple as pre conditioning and warming up the battery/interior while in park using that power. Anything in park doesn't show in since charge, full stop. I think all Tesla owners experience this. I wish it was a toggle!
Interesting! I’ll be checking that same charge lot out with a GM Sierra Denalli EV. All i’ll be able to hit is 150 or so when it can handle 350! DOH. So I’ll be the guy having a nap there when my wife is shopping. Hoping we can round trip it and not stop at all. Ain’t nobody got time for sitting at a dang charger!
Very helpful. On the fence with purchasing a MY LR AWD to road trip across Canada in February, travelling over the North Shore of Lake Superior from Ontario to Terrace BC. The constant charging due to range drop in cold temps, and time spent sitting around waiting for it to charge seemed like a deal breaker. Maybe not so bad?
Keep in mind that if you're driving the battery system stays hot, you aren't giving it hours to cool. So the longer you drive, the better efficiency you'd get! Check out "a better route planner" it's an Ev app that plans out routes/charge stops. I did before I bought. It helped ease worries. And now I have none!
@@FrozenTeslaThe heat pump will transfer the extra battery heat from the charging session into the cabin. So you'll see pretty good efficiency after charging for a while, but then it'll climb back up. My car typically keeps the battery temp around 10C in these conditions. Then the pre-conditioning starts again, which consumes a ton of energy. I've seen it start 1h45m prior. It usually doesn't pre-condition the entire time tho. I'll start and stop several times. Not sure what that's all about.
If you know how to use ev and have adequate knowledge and understand how to optimize and make it efficient youll love it. On the other hand if you dont understand it and treat it as a gas car youll hate it.
Nice it only needs 15min. precon. You should specifiy what Model 3 it is. Hmm maybe you don't get LFP batteries in US/Canada. LFP would probably not do very good in this test.
I don't think the ambient temperature really has anything to do with the recharge rate, in this particular case. This is because as you drove there, there was some battery preconditioning going on while you were driving to the charger (as is mentioned in the video), and it warmed it up. Once you got it plugged in, some of the current from the charger could be shunted to the battery heater, so as to keep the charge rate high.
@@FrozenTesla its strange that you didn't get a snowflake next to the battery in that cold. either it didn't sit in the cold long enough or tesla has added some crazy insulation around the battery for that new version of the model 3. with the snowflake icon you definitely would have had slower charging speeds. I just tested this myself with one of our older model 3s about two weeks ago in freezing temps...
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Seeing -25°C while I’m in Texas is insane! I will never complain about having to precondition again. Great video!
By the way: charging power ist given in kW (kilowatts), NOT kWh (kilowatthour, as you say it). kWh is the electric energy, so 1kW of charging power for one hour is 1kWh of energy. But still the charging power was 1 kW.
😵💫 Got it
Glad I wasn’t the only one that was bothered by this 🤣
usually they call a kwh a kilowatt, this guy called a kw a kilowatthour, first time ever i hear this mistake lmao
Thank you again! The dedication to stick it out for these tests is great!
Crazier colder ones to come next week!
Model 3 is just 👌🏼 I’ve had mine since late 2017 and she’s been a champ over 200,000 miles. 🚙
Wow!! 200k miles, I'll be extremely happy if I get to that without any major issue considering my challenging climate
How is degradation since then?
Have you had any issues with the car. I'm about to get my first one in February. I'm really excited about it?
He said its been a champ, that's quite promising! High praise for such high miles.
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Nice
Good video. Both to show what a brilliant car Tesla is and also to show all those self proclaimed experts that claim you can't drive and you can't charge in cold because the only thing working when it's freezing cold is ICE cars. Obviously you can both drive and charge the car. Glad to see. Thanks.
Well said!
Great seeing these videos about cold temperature usage. We never get that cold where we are in New York, but it’s interesting seeing it behave well and consistently even in really extreme cold. We have driven our Model 3 on many trips in hot and cold weather without problems, including when I drove it to Florida and back.
Thanks for putting out content that’s relevant to winters in Canada. It’s appreciated and interesting!
Glad you enjoy it! More to come! We just had a -36c night yesterday 🥶 you better believe I did some filming!
Solid test. The problem often is when people don't precondition at all, which I personally think is a bit unusual.
I have the Highland SR here in Bulgaria. The LFP battery need a lot more heating to get to these speeds and here is not so cold, it's like 0 C, so bere this in mind, the LFP battery is not so good in the cold, if you live in cold area and plan to use fast chargers get the NMC battery car, all long ranges and performance models. I don't have problems with the slower charging because most of the time I charge at home, but for some people it may be a problem.
Agreed, I have NMC so I'm set for the odd time I need fast charge
Keep up the good work man! You're doing exactly what I would be doing with my new Tesla 😁
Then pick one up if it's obtainable! Or at least go test drive one 😊 stay tuned for more!
Great video! I'm thinking of buying a Model 3 when the winter ends. I have a friend with a Model S that he bought new in 2016. He let me know that all Superchargers are not the same. Some are much faster than others. It was -24F this morning on my Subaru thermometer so this is great information for me.
theresz V1 (which i think is conpletely gone) and is i wanna say 75KW. V2 which is originally 125KW i believe but mostly upped to 150KW. then V3 which is 250KW. then V4 is coming out but idk the specs
Hey man, super glad you’re doing these tests. I live in North Dakota and have been considering a Tesla, but have had great hesitation due to never seeing testing at significant below zero temps. Prior to you coldest test I saw was -20 F, we just came off a few days of -60 F windchill. Keep up the good work!
When you buy make sure you use a referral link, mine of a friend of yours!! I'm loving it so far, definitely stay tuned, we just had an insane - 36c / - 33f night the other day and I left the car outside all night unplugged. It's an epic test, out next Tues!
When it comes to charging the battery it's only the thermometer temperature that matters. Windchill matters ...only when you have to step out of the car to plug it in! LOL
Glad to hear you are taking care of your car. My 2015 runs like new and I hope to get another 5 years out of it.
Tesla's and SuperChargers are the industry standard. And they are adding more new stalls daily.
Amazing video (From someone who lives in Saskatoon) Can't wait to get a tesla! Keep it up!
Excited for you!
great test, but another data point would that would be very useful is actual battery temperature, you can get that by going into service menu on a tesla or by getting OBD scanner. It would be useful to see what was the battery temperature before you started preconditioning, right at plugging in at supercharger and by the end of charging.
Getting access to battery temps very soon!
we've had a cold snap in the UK with temps down to about -7C and i'm finding that when turning on climate/pre-heating with the car still connected to mains power, it takes a good hour for the battery to get up from 6 to 16C (monitored using the Tessie app) which then means your Wh/Mi is 'normal'. A lot longer than you might think. Doesn't matter at all for day to day commuting using up a bit more power, but for a road-trip, where every % might matter, it's well worth turning on climate way ahead of time.
Even as such warm temps as -7c it makes that difference, wow! I'm getting access to battery temp asap so I'll have better data 😊
Pre-heating does help a lot. I agree - the Tesla does a brilliant job keeping cabin warm and the passengers comfortable.
Honestly, the 20% to 80% charge test is a more practical example than silly extreme tests anyway.
I just traded in my 2023 Bolt for a 2024 Tesla Model 3 after experiencing an EV nightmare over the holidays. It was about -8c and I was travelling from Moncton to Fredericton in my Bolt. I stopped to charge at a 50kW charger and was pulling 25kW. It was after midnight and I wanted to get home so I bailed and tried the next fast charger down the road, also 50kW. By the time I got to the charger, it was -17c. There is no preconditioning option on the Bolt. Since my battery was low, I had been driving slowly and carefully to conserve energy. The battery was not very hot. When I plugged in to charge, the vehicle refused to take the fast charge. There was a level 2 charger at the same location so I plugged into that in the meantime. Tried calling the maintenance people on the charger and there was nothing they could do. It was my car. I ended up driving home in -17c, going slow on the highway and arriving home with about 9 percent charge. Started looking for a Tesla the next day! haha! I've had my Model 3 for a week now and I just love it!
never had my ice vehical refuse to take fuel because it was cold. fills up at the same speed it does in the summer. 2 minutes..
Just buy a gasoline car. Electric cars are a pain in the ass.
I have a gas powered camper van. If I could afford to electrify it, I would. Electric cars are frigging awesome! I just had the wrong one.
@ i think a hybrid rv would be an interesting idea. generally they have problems on big hills. regenerative breaking on down slopes as well as ev assited acceleration and disel/gas highway speeds would probably bring the cost of fuel down a lot. plus they actually have a lot of surface area for solar pannels.
on top of that, using the ev battery to power the appliances would be nice.
@@jebes909090 the new Volkswagen EV campers look promising. I’ll wait a few years though because I think they will fix some of the issues I see now going forward. I can retrofit my 1989 VW vanagon to electric for about 75 grand. The place isn’t far from me. My engines being rebuilt now so maybe I should have thought about this a few months ago. lol
With ~45 minutes preconditioning in 60f/15c, my Y hit 220KW at 15%. It usually goes higher than that when I navigate at least an hour before arriving. I was not expecting your car to get that high of a charge with just 15 minutes of preconditioning. Assuming you arrived with no preconditioning before plugging in, it looks like you could wait
Super impressed! And wow, at 15c I would have thought it'd take minimal to no preconditioning to get super fast speeds. 45 min is a ton!
Great video. I set my Model Y to 77F before I leave when plugged in the garage (unheated) and then lower it to 67F when I leave home. Saves a bit of battery. No problems ever in cold weather (or any other time for that matter). It was -21F here last night (mid Minnesota).
In December we were coming back from Massachusetts to visit inlaws 2 times. Both times it was about 25F (-4C), and I plugged in at 5% battery. I have a 2023 Y/AWD Long Range. You added 48 kW in 35 minutes. I got 50 kW/23 minutes and 52 kW/25 minutes. In one of those times I hit 259 kW/h for a few seconds when plugging in! (since plugging in with low battery). I'm surprised you didn't get the message 'heating battery while charging for optimal performance' - I've gotten that maybe 3 times on road trips even when navigating to the chargers.
You've gotten the energy (kWh) and power (kW) units exactly backwards.
I am very surprised I didn't get the heating message too. But I'll take it! Might have to do an outside overnight in the cold and then navigate to supercharger test soon
@@levenkay4468 oops, my bad.
Thanks for this video. I appreciate the content showing the peculiarities of owning a tesla in frigid weather.
Appreciate you watching!
Good video. When people tell me their false beliefs about EVs I send them to watch your videos.
Right on!
Not nearly as cold in new england but a good test is to start charging when you get home and battery is warm and reducing charge rate to finish right before you leave it should be more efficient because you never have to re heat the pack.
I agree I haven't been able to figure out a way to nail that in with having a somewhat random schedule. I definitely do charge immediately when I get home though to save on the heating the pack
Of course it would charge , there no reason for it not too. I'm looking to buy a Tesla this year. Thanks for the video.
A friend of mine just drove to Chicago to pick up a 2023 AWD Model 3 battery pack for $2000 USD. Low miles about 25k miles. So no need to be so paranoid about how you care for your pack. These are cheaper than an engine or transmission for a regular car at this point.
Wow so cheap. And by the time my 8 year warranty is over... They'll be super cheap!
How much to have it installed?
@@paultomaszewski1964 Good question?
Nice! Good video. It’d be awesome to see another test where you really cold soak it, 12+ hours outside, and plug in without preconditioning. Just to see what would happen.
Going to do this!
Wow! I'm impressed! I live waaay down in Naples, FL and it takes that same amount of time to charge my M3 at the local super charger from 20-80% when it's like +23C out! That's with a 10min warning to warm up to pack too! I hardly ever see my charge rate go over 100Kw either! BTW my car is a 2025 too and had it 2 months. Still on free super charging.
Wow I'm shocked you don't see faster rates, how in the world am I matching you in this weather 🤔
Great video man! Love hearing of others driving their Teslas for work. I do lots of road trips in mine (30k in 7 months), and it’s been nothing short of amazing to own.
Wow! I'm interested in how yours will hold up! Especially in tough Manitoba climate
@ I had a 22 MYP that was falling apart rapidly after we went through its first winter. The 24 M3 Highland has been rock solid this whole time, even in the Manitoba cold.
Oh interesting, get rid of the Y? I assume it should have still been fully warrantied?
@ it’s an interesting story as to why I got rid of it, but yes everything was still under warranty! Do you have a place to send you a DM? It’s a good story
The email address on my channel profile works!
I appreciate your real world tests
I appreciate you watching!
I don't have a real world number for you, but for every extra 5 min or so preconditioning in that cold, you might have something like 20-30 kW more charge speeds till the max of the charging curve. I'm in southern california and the coldest my M3 has ever been is about 40F (4c) and it needed about 30 min of preconditioning to get "normal" charge speeds. So if you were navigating to a charger on a road trip, you'd have much better charge performance. Those Tesla heat pumps are quite amazing.Also, you keep replacing kW saying kWh. kW, in this scenario, measures the charging speed or power rate at which your EV battery is charged. kWh measures the energy capacity or how much energy your EV battery stores. Thanks for the video!
Almost. kW is _power,_ kWh is _energy_ (and also the 'storage amount').
My car may never have seen temps as warm as 4c yet hahaha as I bought in winter. Funny difference. Ahh yes I'll try to get those energy units sorted, I'm new at this!
@@FrozenTesla It's fine and you're doing a great job. You're a better speaker than me. I won't even attempt a channel. I wish I could. I have a lot of data and facts in my head, with no place to lay it out haha. Keep it up!
@@levenkay4468 Yeah, I did kind of say it wrong. I fixed it! :)
It's great following your little adventures in the cold, even though we have a Kia Niro! (Similar cold though, today we were at -22C). We don't need to fast charge often but indeed the preheating is so essential it seems when we do. One thing I have always wondered about (or just assumed) is whether leaving our car plugged in to the Level 2 at home overnight actually helps keep things a little bit warmer. I am feeling that the car must be charging off and on through the night even though it charges up in the evening before. Or maybe I am just being nostalgic about the old block heaters. Anyway, that's what we do. Also, of course, it allows us not to drain the battery while we heat up the car before heating out. LOVE electric cars in winter. My old Toyota never heats up enough to heat the cabin in this weather with the small routes we do ....
Ev are such a game changer!! As far as I know it doesn't automatically keep them warm even when plugged in, but I could be wrong haha. Thanks for watching!
Cool test, just got a 2021 Model Y, nice to know it will supercharge when it’s cold out
That's what I set out to do! Glad you got benefit
I have not been in that cold a temp yet, but I didn't note any issues getting the full charge rate I would expect from my Ford Mustang Mach-E Rally on my last trip which was 700 miles at 15F. I also keep the cabin at 68F as that is what I have always used. My efficiency goes down, making for more or longer stops, but I have not had any issue with the car in operation or charging.
Love it!
30/40 minutes of preconditioning, plus preheating it before going out definitely would’ve gotten you closer to the 250 kW speeds. Still wild how much it was pulling in with only 16 minutes of preconditioning though in that type of weather.
I might try that next super cold day, 45 min pre condition and see if I can get 250kw for any period of time
Thanks for the fascinating vid, really appreciate people like you doing unusual things with their Tesla taking the time to document and share! Would be useful to know exactly what model/battery you have, I assume not the LFP battery... Also if you get the Tessie app you can see the battery temperature as well as many other useful stats without any other hardware eg an ODB dongle.
Oh I have something better coming, S3XY buttons and knob from enhance auto! I will be able to display battery temp as a main stay on the knob. I can't wait for that!
Kwh is how much energy is in the battery pack.
Kw= Power/energy/electricity that is going in your battery/how fast the energy is getting in your battery pack. Teslas do charge pretty good in cold weather. 😊
Great tests you‘re doing! Watching from Germany 🇩🇪 But just a little tip from an electrical engineer: the charging rate (power) is in kW (kilowatts) while the charged energy is in kWh (kilowatthours) ✌️
Sorry about this, the units are newer to me, going to do my best to speak correctly in future videos!
@ All good 😊 We are all still learning
Great and useful test, thanks! 60% and 48 kWh means around 80 kWh full capacity which is very close to the actual capacity. So, even the charge losses where not even that huge....So, next time to have the charging losses calculated and included would be great. For that to be a bot more accurate, with decimals, an OBD is very useful.
Trust me I'm working on getting better gear! Enhance Auto is sending me their S3xy gadgets to try out, they have all kind of stats available in the app and on the knob. And they're a super cool crew. Can't wait to try out their products and have better info about my cars' battery!
Quite a useful video. I have very different problems in the summer. 😅
Honestly, why wouldn't you precondition the battery?
I almost wonder if Phoenix weather is worse for an Ev than my weather out here. Driving hard in your wild heat can't be good for a battery!
Ok do this again WITHOUT preconditioning the battery
I plan to! Stay tuned
Love the videos. Very informative and very useful. I kive in south africa so right now we dont have ahy electric cars. Watching the videis i would say electric dars are the future and for now tesla is leading the way. Thank you fornyour efforts in making these real life scenario videos.
Appreciate you watching! Stay tuned for more extreme cold tests and to experience the gnarliest weather Canada has to offer!
So lets do a quick comparison: My 2023 Cupra Born reaches 40 kW in German winter at a supercharger (around - 1 °C ) even in summer i never saw the promised 150 kW soooo yeah GJ Tesla can't wait to get my Model 3 in the future :)
Wow! Not even close, and a fairly nice winter day. I wonder if your car has pre-conditioning?
@@FrozenTesla unfortunately it doesn't so the battery must be cold af which explains the low charging speed... Tesla just outclasses every other electric car in nearly any possible way (although I'm very proud of my head up display and my massaging seats) :-)
Lol interesting priorities 🤣
Out of Spec reviews has a video where he compared charge rates in the cold of 2 identical Nissan leafs, "yo-yo'ing" one and softly driving the other before charging. The yo-yo car vastly out charges the softly driven one. Interesting video. Basically yo-yo'ing is flooring it and braking repeatedly to make the battery work extra hard and heat up in case you aren't familiar with the term
@@FrozenTesla not what I chose happened to came with this features 😁
That's something I also noticed flooring the car on motorway for some time also increases my charging speeds well i guess that's the preconditioning Cupra wants me to do lol 😂 this and only charging around 10 % to ensure higher speeds on the go :)
Range test would always be cool, since this is the biggest caveat for EV's in the winter.
Doing numerous soon!
Love your channel but - how do you have 2.5K subscribers in one month?! (Also great work keep it up)
I wonder that myself. Can't believe the rapid progress I've made!
I guess he found an underserviced "niche market" 🙂 I'm in Ottawa and I have the same car but could not be bothered making the effort finding all that info for myself, so I subscribed the first time I came across the channel. Extremely useful (and reassuring) information.
@frozentesla that’s so awesome. Always good to see another fellow Canadian doing well 🙌
@@brennan353 totally, I think you nailed it. Maybe I’ll make my next video on how EV Chargers operate in cold weather from the hardware perspective 🤔
Do it!!
And if you drinking Coffee in store, just change Charge limit to 100% from 80 % so theres no stall fee.
Smart 🤣
Regardless of what percent you finish at you will have 5 min to unplug or you will get charged an idle fee and if it is very crowded then the fee goes up.
glad that it all works in the very cold... 🥶😇
Yup! Especially if you precondition! Will test no precondition soon
Great real world test data!
Interesting video, i have a mercedes EQC, i live in the UK and the coldest ive seen this year is -6c. My range is never great, 180 miles from a full charge with temp at 23c internally. Car is due for a renewal this year and thinking of a Model Y long range. I do a fair bit of milage as use my car for work so want abit more out of it, especially in the winter.
That'd be a great change, cheaper too. If you like the new refresh model Y, soon might be the time
I have a '22 M3 SR with the LFP battery. It's currently -3 degrees Celsius. I precondtioned for nearly an hour and my rates were topping 80kW. It took 55 mins to go from 23% to 100%. I believe my battery is more difficult in the cold, but mine can charge to 100. With these cars it's really just give and take with the science! i'm in BC.
Wow! That's shocking. Yea, non LFP, I have NMC battery. I didn't want LFP here in Sask for reasons such as that, but had no clue it'd be that drastic
@ in the summer, if I remember correctly the charging tops 179/180 kW. It’s much better lol. I don’t have access to home charging, not yet anyway. Great videos!
Thanks! Crazy cold vid coming up next Tues 😁
❤Super leuk om te zien ,ik rij zelf een kia ev6 gt-line awd ,die heeft met -1 al moeite al 20% verlies .😂😂
Great video as always, thank you for sharing, 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
More to come next Tuesday! Thanks for watching
I should try this on my 10 year old high mileage S, it will be different. The charge will take 3x longer but I would still have lots of heat and it would charge.
Would make a great video, I'd click that so quick. "How fast can a 10 year old Model S supercharge in Canadian winter"
@@FrozenTesla it's sitting in the service centre in Saskatoon now and I'm not sure when I'll get it back. But that is a good title suggestion.
If it's the one that's on the far edge of the lot, I've seen it there for months already! Sheesh I hope you get it back soon
@ no I just took it up last week
Ok good to hear it's not been months lol. Make vids about it when you get it back! Such a unique vehicle in our unique climate
Of course it will work if you are smart enough to know how to charge it. Lots of people who own them are not smart enough to preheat the battery or run it to low to preheat.
Should have opened up the service mode to show the pack temperatures. Otherwise no one has a clue what the battery temps are when he plugged in.
Getting tech for that asap!
Just found and subscribe to your channel. Amazing thank you from Scotland
Appreciate it! More awesome tests coming soon!
Yeah it was brutal here this weekend, I figured you'd make a video!
I have a way more extreme one filmed from yesterday/night when it was -35c.. Definitely stay tuned! I feel so bad for my car after that one 😥
@@FrozenTesla great. have you done one where you let it sit outside overnight not charging?
Lol yup, last night. - 35c unplugged outside all night and then my work commute. Pretty wild results, I'm excited to post that video
I am glad to see some really test those cars in Canadian winter. Now if only it could be done with those other EV's.
You just aren’t finding the correct channels ;)
I'd love to test others too!
That's wild. I was expecting an 1 hour
Not bad hey!
Thanks. This is nice to see. Helpful
Glad it was helpful!
It’s how often you have to supercharge on a road trip when it’s crazy cold is what gets me. In Michigan when it’s ultra cold I’ll leave the supercharger just to immediately start pre conditioning.
When you leave after supercharging to 80%, your battery should be around 100-140 degrees F, it might say that it’s preconditioning on your way to the next one, but I doubt there’s much power output until around 15-20 mins before you get to the next one, especially because normal driving should warm your battery a bit by itself
I have going same kind of test going like you. First winter in Finland on My X 2018, i've been Happy so far on my car. 😊
-25'C at best.. mostly home charge at approx.9kw(max11kw).
Tessie now includes battery temp graphs! It would be cool to see those thrown in here :)
Will have S3xy buttons/knob very soon which also has battery temp info, excited to have that :)
yes for sure. I have sexy gen2 commander and buttons and all the features are great, no knob for me though. Glossy black interior.
I noticed that you had a screenshot of Tessie in a different video though. In the various sections of the app it will plot the battery temp on a graph. It’s great. Activity, charge, drives. It’s all there.
So as far as the starting temp of your battery, the drive over, and the temp of it while it super charges, I’m super curious!! And Tessie will put all of that on to a single graph for ya.
Pls and thanks!!
Aggghhhh I looked closer at this and it's the next paid tier up for that, haha! If the S3xy app doesn't show it as nice as Tessie does I think I'll pay for the higher end Tessie sub. Thanks for pointing that out! That's valuable info for my videos
Yeah I have a legacy Tessie account. I didn’t know it was in tiers. I have the S3XY app as well and I’ll tell you right now that it doesn’t have graphs. Only live readings. Maybe other apps that can connect to the commander can plot a graph but it still won’t be as good as Tessie because it will require for you to be in the car while it plots. Tessie pushes their graph through the car’s API so it’s all cloud magic.
Might have to use both then and get top tier Tessie for my vids
this is really good
1:05 I like videos that make the subject look convincing and presentable, especially without much effort. Like this moment when it's -23C, but the car provides enough warmth not only to sit without a jacket, but also all the windows without frost. Because you can often find videos where people praise some stoves, boilers or the like, but they have steam coming out of their mouths almost the entire video, that is, they praise, but in reality they are still cold and uncomfortable. Which does not characterize the subject of the discussion very well.
It's a warm comfortable car even in the cold, what can I say!
In freezing cold temps, do yourself a favor. Before getting out to charge, open the charge port from inside the car. One less step in the cold…then after charging, press the unlock charge port button on the screen before getting out of the car. It will eliminate the need to use the button on the charging cable.
Ahah genius! Truthfully I've never even once used the unlock charge port button on screen. It's just so simple when in at home to use the button on my connector and I've only supercharged twice now. Good catch
I wonder how these cars do in northern Russia, where ICEs need to be left running 100% of the time so their oil doesn't freeze solid.
If it's cold enough the battery heaters kick on automatically to keep the battery from getting dangerously cold so I'd assume it'd be similar where it needs to be plugged in while not in use to allow the battery to keep itself warm, I mean people drive Nissan leafs up in the artic circle so I doubt it's impossible
They're way better than fossil cars in cold weather.
@@KiRiTO72987modern Teslas don’t have dedicated battery heaters, so I’m curious if the heatpump will just randomly start up if the car is parked in -25F or worse overnight. Or if it will use the motor stators instead to create some heat…
@fiehlsport I think it depends on the specific year and model but yeah the heat pump/motor would just start up and begin warming
Awesome thanks
Thanks for watching!
I think the faster kW right off the start is due to the latest change they implemented to heat up the battery first and then charge ..
I was shocked, expected around 90 max at best!
I wonder how the test would fair without any preconditioning? 🤔
I'll test that!
You keep mentioning kWh on your charge speed.. That is kW.. kWh is battery capacity..
Glad to see this car is working well for you
Was new to me, lesson has been learned from the comments haha. Thanks for watching!
Charging power is in kilowatts (kW), not kilowatt hours (kWh), which is a unit of energy.
Other than that, great video 😊
Sorry! The units are new to me, will do my best to correct in future videos
2 years back, near Vermillion, my coworker was trying to charge his Tesla to drive 2 hrs back to Edmonton for Xmas break. It was -28 and we had a 110 outlet. No bueno. Couldn’t gain even 1% charge. So, we had to horde it in (plastic tarps from oil), use a Herman Nelson heater on propane, and plugged in. In 48 hrs time, he gained enough charge to get home. Not the best solution for Alberta in winter without super chargers. He was panicked.
I'd never rely on a level 1 charger living there, there's way chargers now than in previous years though!
On your side of the pond you will need lvl 2 at home to be comfortable.
Got my Model 3 long range at 200kW today on a -24 outside, however I preconditionned it for 30 minutes duration before that. You should definitively buy a SCAN MY TESLA app and the OBDII harness. You will have acces to teh live battery temperature, min and max cell temp, battery coolant inlet and outlet temperature, Rear and front motor stator temperature, etc All the data that you NEED to better understand what's happening under the hood!
I'm working on getting accessories asap! S3xy buttons also has that info available and I'm getting that soon 😊
You might try to let the car overnight at these temperatures and get real results, since it would be impossible to heat the battery from -25c to +4c in just 15 minutes.
Agree, I will try that in a other supercharging test
For someone living in a cold climate i do not consider 15 minute preconditioning a real-world scenario. I know already that it takes way longer than that and plan more then 1 hour of driving before supercharging.
Sometimes you may not think of it or realize that you'll need it! Was just 1 scenario, I plan to do numerous
24 is crazy, its 17 at home and 19 in my car thats hot enough
75f is way to warm for me. I keep it 68-70 in the winter.
20°C is crazy. I always set it to 17 or 18°C depending on the car. Otherwise, I will get sleepy from the heat
20c is perfect for me, I find it a comfortable cool
Your Tesla has the non-LFP battery correct??? It's the lithium ion right.
7:42 At 56% SoC, a rate of 88 kW is right where it should be according to the charge curve.
Dude! Every time you read the charge rate (i.e. 80 kW) you 100% of the time say "80 kW *hours* which is _not_ correct!
The *rate* and the *total* *charge* are different measures! In the same way that the speed and the total distance are totally different..
Working on that! Never knew the difference, I'm a lehman :P
I own a 2021 Tesla Model 3 Standard range, got it used with a mileage of 120k, already done almost 30k and have no complaints. However, there is one thing I can't understand.
Energy used to drive from 80% to 30% - 20kwh, energy added when charging back to 80% - 24kWh. Where is my 4kwh gone? Tried this on multiple configurations, 100 to 0, 100 to 50, 80 to 30, 60 to 10 ... also in different weather conditions, from +30C to -30C. This number is pretty consistent, exactly 8 kWh on a full charge or 4 kWh on 50%.
Battery degradation is 10-12% which is normal for this age and mileage.
Would be really grateful if you could test it on your car.
I have tracked this myself, similar results, I truly believe it's as simple as pre conditioning and warming up the battery/interior while in park using that power. Anything in park doesn't show in since charge, full stop. I think all Tesla owners experience this. I wish it was a toggle!
No matter the car. Under such conditions I whould shroud it and run some (diese) heater first
Interesting! I’ll be checking that same charge lot out with a GM Sierra Denalli EV. All i’ll be able to hit is 150 or so when it can handle 350! DOH. So I’ll be the guy having a nap there when my wife is shopping.
Hoping we can round trip it and not stop at all. Ain’t nobody got time for sitting at a dang charger!
Haven't seen a gm Ev truck yet in Saskatoon!
I'm curious if you could also show charging at level 1 and 2 in this cold. Especially Level 1.
Stay tuned!! Filming videos exactly like what you're asking for!
You should try leaving the car all night parked in the Suc and then trying to charge it.
try leaving a gas vehicle in the same conditions on all night
@ I can fill the tank, no problem.
@CapitanHarlockisback okay and I can just leave the car connected to my level 2 charger all night. It will be fully charged and ready to drive.
Very helpful. On the fence with purchasing a MY LR AWD to road trip across Canada in February, travelling over the North Shore of Lake Superior from Ontario to Terrace BC. The constant charging due to range drop in cold temps, and time spent sitting around waiting for it to charge seemed like a deal breaker. Maybe not so bad?
Keep in mind that if you're driving the battery system stays hot, you aren't giving it hours to cool. So the longer you drive, the better efficiency you'd get! Check out "a better route planner" it's an Ev app that plans out routes/charge stops. I did before I bought. It helped ease worries. And now I have none!
@@FrozenTeslaI like the idea of being able to sleep in it as well if need be 😁
@@FrozenTeslaThe heat pump will transfer the extra battery heat from the charging session into the cabin. So you'll see pretty good efficiency after charging for a while, but then it'll climb back up. My car typically keeps the battery temp around 10C in these conditions. Then the pre-conditioning starts again, which consumes a ton of energy. I've seen it start 1h45m prior. It usually doesn't pre-condition the entire time tho. I'll start and stop several times. Not sure what that's all about.
Nie Videos, I like your style of doing it.
Appreciate it!
I wonder if some kind of "battery sleeping bag" would make sense for winters to minimize cooling on standby"
I should look into this!
Wow, I feel grateful that it does not get that cold were I am. The temperature is 19f right...thats cold enough for me.
Hahaha. It's not for everyone!
Of course it does what does it not do?
You should definitely do a range test in cold temp.
I am on this! Stay tuned
If you know how to use ev and have adequate knowledge and understand how to optimize and make it efficient youll love it. On the other hand if you dont understand it and treat it as a gas car youll hate it.
Nice it only needs 15min. precon. You should specifiy what Model 3 it is. Hmm maybe you don't get LFP batteries in US/Canada. LFP would probably not do very good in this test.
Thought I did, it's a LR AWD, NMC battery
I don't think the ambient temperature really has anything to do with the recharge rate, in this particular case. This is because as you drove there, there was some battery preconditioning going on while you were driving to the charger (as is mentioned in the video), and it warmed it up. Once you got it plugged in, some of the current from the charger could be shunted to the battery heater, so as to keep the charge rate high.
Agree! So this somewhat debunks the fact that Ev's aren't as functional in winter
@@FrozenTesla its strange that you didn't get a snowflake next to the battery in that cold. either it didn't sit in the cold long enough or tesla has added some crazy insulation around the battery for that new version of the model 3. with the snowflake icon you definitely would have had slower charging speeds. I just tested this myself with one of our older model 3s about two weeks ago in freezing temps...
Thanks
It's good that you pre conditioned the car, you would of been charging slow if you didn't
Going to try the test again soon without pre heating!