Interesting. Would you be replacing your existing AIO or adding this one on? I don't know if you can have both - they may not be compatible, like with the Powerwalls.
The thing is with the Tesla I trust them to actually release the DC expansion modules etc, Givenergy still haven't allowed multiple gen1 all in ones to be connected, as they have promised for years.
Hi great informative video. I would like to see this type of comparison between the giv energy and their Cheaper brand polar. This would help people who can't quite afford the top of the range equipment but would still like to able to get some sort of system.
Can the new GE all in one be added to two GE batteries , 9.5 and 8.2 ? I also have the 3.6 invertor which i would like the hybrid to replace . Thanks , great video
Thanks! I'm afraid that you can't mix and match the hybrid series with the all in one series. The two batteries can't talk to each other so will see each other as loads and keep trying to charge each other up. Powerwall 3 and Powerwall 2 have the same issue. There are some apps being developed to bridge these gaps so the functionality may come in the near future. -Tok
@ so based on timings of Givenergy the release date will be q1 2026 given that every product has been delivered 1 year behind ( parallel AIO, EV charger )
Sorry to doubt you, but are you really, really sure. The guy doing mine in 2 weeks time has designed the stringing for 6 inputs total and swears blind he’s right. 3 MPPTs channels with 2 inputs into each, ie 6 strings. If he’s wrong then the design diagram in the G99 submission is also wrong then. I don’t know either way, but it doesn’t fill me with confidence if he’s wrong.
Sorry, I've misunderstood your question. You can have multiple inputs into one MPPT, yes. It has 3 MPPTs, but can take multiple inputs. This should be fine if the panels are the same orientation, pitch, and no shade losses - otherwise I'd caution against it as it'll be quite inefficient depending on the level of discrepancy between the arrays. My apologies. Thanks, Tok
@@yp77738yp77739 My recently installed PW3 has 3 inputs. You can see that the connections would allow for 6 BUT only 3 are available. I think this is because the UK PW3 have a big MPPT isolator switch installed, which can only handle 3 circuits, and of course some electronics costs will have been saved. I have not seen the input isolator in photographs of the US versions, your installer maybe looking at US installation instructions as opposed to the UK ones. I seriously think you need to get him to double check if you want 6 SEPARATE DC inputs.
Hi, thanks for your comment. I'm surprised by this, please could you send the link to me? It is available - a few of our clients are on it. You need a third party app. Video coming next week. -Tok
I have an email from them saying this. I could forward it to you. I will likely go with Flux to start with, as I hear from Tesla Energy that it will be available soon. Failing that then maybe Agile with the Netzero app.
Hi, thanks for the comment. It can’t charge at 12 kW. It can output 12kW to the house, but the battery can only charge at 6kW. That’s what we’ve been told by GivEnergy at least. -Tok
Sigenergy makes these two all in ones look like they are from the stone age? Up to 12kW Hybrid single phase, 25kW 3-Phase, Instantaneous whole house backup for both single and 3-Phase via gateway, up to 48kWh per inverter, multiple inverters supported, 25kW DC EV charger, vehicle to grid......Givenergy All-in -one requires you to buy multiple all-in-ones, no battery options, same with Tesla until 'Powerpacks' are released in the future... No 3-Phase backup on Giv or Tesla? Tesla can only charge at 5kW from grid, not great if you have a short off peak window and require more than 13.5kWh of storage.....
It depends on the alternative investment case for your money. On average solar and battery system will generate a 15% IRR over 25 years. Very few can beat that in the stock market. People also like the independency and climate change aspects. There are many benefits.
@ £23,000 invested in to the stock market would generate 12% average returns over 25 years totally tax free. Plus you would still keep your initial investment and could pay for free energy for life. In less than 10 years there could be solar or wind or battery tech much cheaper and better than this stuff and you could need to move house meaning total loss on solar
The GivEnergy Hybrid AIO is supposed to be available for installation in Q1 2025, and officially launched in the next month or two.
@@spiritenergy_uk I have an AIO and would upgrade to this but it needs to be stackable from the release date
Interesting. Would you be replacing your existing AIO or adding this one on? I don't know if you can have both - they may not be compatible, like with the Powerwalls.
@@spiritenergy_uk would sell the old one
Great comparison, very detailed.
The thing is with the Tesla I trust them to actually release the DC expansion modules etc, Givenergy still haven't allowed multiple gen1 all in ones to be connected, as they have promised for years.
You can currently have upto 3 AIOs in parallel
@@midlandsspark Yes but you have to buy three AIO's, no battery only expansion.....
Excellent Thank you for a thorough explanation 👍👍👍
Hi great informative video. I would like to see this type of comparison between the giv energy and their Cheaper brand polar. This would help people who can't quite afford the top of the range equipment but would still like to able to get some sort of system.
Brilliant vid, thank you!
Glad it was helpful. -Tok
GivEnergy app updates every 10s when on the same network rather than remote, which is the 5 minutes as mentioned here
Interesting thank you.
Can the new GE all in one be added to two GE batteries , 9.5 and 8.2 ? I also have the 3.6 invertor which i would like the hybrid to replace . Thanks , great video
Thanks!
I'm afraid that you can't mix and match the hybrid series with the all in one series. The two batteries can't talk to each other so will see each other as loads and keep trying to charge each other up. Powerwall 3 and Powerwall 2 have the same issue. There are some apps being developed to bridge these gaps so the functionality may come in the near future.
-Tok
@@spiritenergy_uk thanks for the advice
Is the Givenergy version available to buy?
It is supposed to be coming out Q1 next year
@ so based on timings of Givenergy the release date will be q1 2026 given that every product has been delivered 1 year behind ( parallel AIO, EV charger )
haha, hopefully not that long!
I thought the PW3 had 2 inputs per MPPT channel, ie 6 total inputs, no?
The Powerwall 3 can take 3 DC inputs - 3 MPPTs.
The American Powerwall 3 has 6 solar strings.
-Tok
Sorry to doubt you, but are you really, really sure. The guy doing mine in 2 weeks time has designed the stringing for 6 inputs total and swears blind he’s right. 3 MPPTs channels with 2 inputs into each, ie 6 strings. If he’s wrong then the design diagram in the G99 submission is also wrong then. I don’t know either way, but it doesn’t fill me with confidence if he’s wrong.
Sorry, I've misunderstood your question. You can have multiple inputs into one MPPT, yes.
It has 3 MPPTs, but can take multiple inputs. This should be fine if the panels are the same orientation, pitch, and no shade losses - otherwise I'd caution against it as it'll be quite inefficient depending on the level of discrepancy between the arrays.
My apologies.
Thanks,
Tok
@ Thanks, phew!!
@@yp77738yp77739 My recently installed PW3 has 3 inputs. You can see that the connections would allow for 6 BUT only 3 are available. I think this is because the UK PW3 have a big MPPT isolator switch installed, which can only handle 3 circuits, and of course some electronics costs will have been saved. I have not seen the input isolator in photographs of the US versions, your installer maybe looking at US installation instructions as opposed to the UK ones. I seriously think you need to get him to double check if you want 6 SEPARATE DC inputs.
As of 7/11/2024 Octopus confirmed that IOF integration with Tesla Powerwall 3 is not yet available.
Hi, thanks for your comment. I'm surprised by this, please could you send the link to me? It is available - a few of our clients are on it. You need a third party app. Video coming next week. -Tok
I have an email from them saying this. I could forward it to you. I will likely go with Flux to start with, as I hear from Tesla Energy that it will be available soon. Failing that then maybe Agile with the Netzero app.
Yes the netzero app is the one that we are using to get access to Intelligent tariffs.
Can charge at 12kw, not 6
Hi, thanks for the comment. It can’t charge at 12 kW. It can output 12kW to the house, but the battery can only charge at 6kW.
That’s what we’ve been told by GivEnergy at least.
-Tok
But ac charge is 5kwh, dc is 11khw …
Sigenergy makes these two all in ones look like they are from the stone age?
Up to 12kW Hybrid single phase, 25kW 3-Phase, Instantaneous whole house backup for both single and 3-Phase via gateway, up to 48kWh per inverter, multiple inverters supported, 25kW DC EV charger, vehicle to grid......Givenergy All-in -one requires you to buy multiple all-in-ones, no battery options, same with Tesla until 'Powerpacks' are released in the future... No 3-Phase backup on Giv or Tesla? Tesla can only charge at 5kW from grid, not great if you have a short off peak window and require more than 13.5kWh of storage.....
Is there any point in these? Spend £8000 to save a few quid a month on electric? 😂 I’ve ran the maths and don’t see the point.
It depends on the alternative investment case for your money. On average solar and battery system will generate a 15% IRR over 25 years. Very few can beat that in the stock market.
People also like the independency and climate change aspects. There are many benefits.
@ £23,000 invested in to the stock market would generate 12% average returns over 25 years totally tax free. Plus you would still keep your initial investment and could pay for free energy for life. In less than 10 years there could be solar or wind or battery tech much cheaper and better than this stuff and you could need to move house meaning total loss on solar