speaking about the mistery of the dreaming city, i guess thats why i liked the witch queen a lot, finding out how the hive got the light, the origins of the hive, the reveal of the witness and then the fight inside the pyramid with rhulk, was pretty good on my opinion, great video :)
"Why isn't the Hangman reused" He was, in the exotic Mission Presage and back when the mission first came out he was an actual threat to deal with, since he could one hit you and there wasn't that much space where you could get away. Also Ads
I want to mention/nitpic that the curse of the dreaming city was actually a wish Savathûn made with riven, and how the reason riven was taken was also due to Oryx and Riven making a wish to deceive each other. I just wanted to clarify cause I’m a hide lore nerd.
BUNGIE's seasonal model created a really unfortunate effect, because the chess game between Mara and Savathûn is one of the most compelling elements of Destiny's story, and for many people, the new final shape missions will be their first introduction to it since the rest isn't replayable. Mara had this grand elaborate plan for victory and Savathûn just swooped in and said "I see exactly what you're trying to do and how about no." Savathûn has taken so much from Mara to the point where she's actually had to develop because she finally met an enemy that she can't outsmart and to wage war against Savathûn can only lead to a pyrrhic victory because Savathûn is always willing to go to greater lengths to win, she trapped her own daughter in an endless cycal of being killed just to skrew with Mara.
Excellent video!!! 100% agree most of the best destiny story is unfortunately almost never put into the main campaigns. I also don’t know why they thought reserving the connecting story of major dlcs for background lore was a good idea. It makes almost all destiny’s story incoherent for the average player!
The Forsaken campaign was better than previous D2 campaigns but yeah it was still pretty shit and basic. Cayde dies so we kill a bunch of fallen enemies that are at least unique and then a stupid ass meatball servitor for the final boss which was such a shitty boss. Uldren should’ve been the boss. The campaign barely has any real story, and most of the important details are in the lore. Like how Uldren gets taken, how Caydes ghost was killed, why Uldren hates Cayde. That’s shit that needed to be in the campaign and it wasn’t. For some reason Bungie thinks that they have to have the most basic ass CW tier writing in the campaign when literally everybody would find it cooler if they just embraced the lore and let the world breathe. The actual storyline of Forsaken is barely even in the campaign, most of it is in the lore cards. So while it was a great dlc for the content it added, I still laugh at people that call it a good story. The campaign was still dogshit, even if it finally had some boss variety. Destiny 2 players are just so used to extreme mediocrity that they thought it was actually great. Go play Halo reach, that’s what a good campaign is. It’s a good dlc, it added a lot of good stuff and the raid was fantastic, but it was still a bad campaign. The mission environments are still leagues above most of D2 missions but the actual driving narrative is pretty non existent (in game)
I mean, sure, Uldren is just A Guy and doesn't seem to have any cool powers, but they missed an opportunity to have the final boss be a Riven-Corrupted Uldren thing.
There’s a lot of it which isn’t lore too but just flavor text and moments from D1 that you had to remember from Taken King and launch. Some examples, Cayde HATES Uldren, and the awoken in general aren’t trusted by the vanguard. Also stuff like why the prison riot happened is explained partially in warden of nothing and how Variks took off and had delusions of power. How Sundance (Cayde’s Ghost) was taken out being that The Rifleman is the greatest sniper in the solar system and the only one who could’ve made that shot, but Cayde and Sundance as we know from Red War’s events are reckless thrill seekers. The Scorn are made by something corrupting their ether and their abominations which shouldn’t be alive (explained in the opening mission). Why do we hate Uldren outside of him killing Cayde, well he was a massive jerk in Destiny 1 and House of Wolves and he’s actively distrusted by most people. As for how Uldren gets taken I think most people would’ve assumed (like I did) that he got taken during the cutscene where he “died” in Taken King, it’s like rule number 1 we never saw the body so he wasn’t dead same with Mara. Honestly most of the complaints I hear about Forsaken’s story come from people who experienced it after Beyond Light where the adventures and world building to better explain Tangled Shore and its campaign were gone. And you were encouraged to experience those details and public event dialogues because the barons had way higher levels than a player could reasonably have so they weren’t just a back to back mission list like they became post Beyond Light. It’s a massive shame
About the intergalactic chess game, how would Mara know the guardians were even capable of killing Oryx, or that they would be willing. She might have know that they killed Crota in his Ascendant Plane, but only after the loss of vanguard unity, many fireteams and city unity. Oryx as far as I understand is much more powerful than Crota, and supported assumedly by other Hive Gods and the Darkness. These story only work backwards. I read the Lore cards back in 2015-17, they sure were cool when I was 14 and never wrote a essay in my life, but I have a this growing feeling that alot of this "Destiny lore is expertly written and amazing!" rhetoric is like an old wife's tale passed along by people never exposed to critical and amazing story telling. Also side edit. These kind of plan stories tend to go down terribly if not properly managed, and if not that simply feel very fan-fiction like. Cersei from Game of Thrones is a great example, she's a devious manipulator who due to her social status needs to use her wits to out smart and out think other people around her, but she is not a God simply because she is smart, she has emotional and strategic shortcomings that make her predictable with enough thought by others, which is further developed as she goes about out smarting others in clearly thought-out ways that can be plausibly countered by other characters. Whereas in the later seasons of GoT when the show runs out of books and becomes of low quality, you get the opposite. Cersei simply outwits others because she's cersei and her character trait is being ruthless and manipulative, and the consequences of her manipulations are never considered, because the writers, instead of asking themselves what would cersei do here to plausibly get herself out of this or that scenario, simply ask themselves what would be cool for cersei to do, or more simply, Cersei is devious therefore Cersei beats her enemies until another character with greater plot priority comes along and the same happens to her. Something making sense and something being explained are two different things.
@LorekeeperNexus516 honestly completely forgot about Presage, the Witch queen one has a different model but generally similar mechanics. Both have an extra "thing" to make the fight longer or stretch it out. The Presage was better imo since you're in a smaller room. But yeah I forgot about those and nothing comes up when you look up "hangman fight reused destiny 2" so that's probably why I missed it. I also don't play D2 as much and haven't played either activity in at least a year so I don't think I would've remembered that
Really small thing, the reason why cayde wasn’t careful when bringing his ghost out is because there are very few things that can kill a ghost. The bullet used to kill his ghost is either from or similar to the bullets fired by thorn, a gun made to kill guardians. We don’t worry about pulling out our ghost mid combat because there is basically no threats to doing so, hence cayde’s lack of fear.
No that's not true. Because Felwinter also did it with the Felwinters Lie. Even looking at lore it's kinda vague as to what can kill a ghost. Because it also brings into question how we're able to kill a ghost with our bare hands
@@Nanokk_ but I thought we know what can kill a ghost? It’s anything that is paracausal. Us as guardians are inherently paracausal as we use the light and dark. Felwinter was a guardian, so they could kill ghosts. The bullets from thorn (and the one used to shoot cayde’s ghost) are said to be paracausal. Your average dreg in the cosmodrome however is not paracausal so there is no reason to fear being permanently killed by them.
@@ne12follow That doesn't explain how Crota and several other hive were able to kill guardians? As far as I can tell neither Crota nor his sword are paracausal. But I also want to mention that I usually don't get into the lore in my videos when it comes to the campagins. Just because thats something they should explain in game. But for the sake of discussion Bungie is honestly really vague about how a ghost can be killed. I've seen sources say all you need is a really powerful weapon, others are more precise saying it has to be paracausal. Interesting topic nonetheless
It's not a bad expansion but it has always been the lesser taken king. People act like foresaken changed so much when most of what it did was revert things vanilla did wrong.
That was during the craftening. You could combine a shotgun with an auto rifle, a grenade launcher with an trace rifle. Look it up, it was an insane time
these dudes acting like they all connected that it was the same scorn i did presage a few dozen times and at no point did i connect the dots lmao im either an idiot or didnt remember much about forsaken by that tine
Lmao Destinypedia. Dude has never heard of Ishtar collective then. Also to add Forsaken was the start of the retcons it's as to why we are here with D2 today.
I hadn't heard of the Ishtar Collective at the time no, but even then I don't think it would've helped me much more with this project over Destinypedia. And yeah the retcons are why I stay away from the lore, amongst other things
Yup I already know. I will still hold strong when I say that Destiny 1 not only was but IS leagues ahead of d2. Im so happy I finally quit the cycle of shit by deleting everything in this doulless garbage of a game. I have strong opinions on this franchise and on bungos retardation and scummyness. Even tho D1 is my favourite game and will prolly never cease to be so...I know in my heart that D1 is barely an 8/10 game... And thats D1, d2 is such a fucking rotten corpse that it doesnt deserve a score, but id say a 6/10 as the technical team has carried this game. I could talk for 300 hours about my 5000 hours in this franchise. I could talk about how deep its missed potential pierces my heart, or about how much it has changed my life for the better. I have gotten unforgettable memories, so I sincerely thank bungo for that. Thank you, but god damn fo I despise you...
Maybe one day I will. I mean I atleast have enough background footage for a 10 hour video! Jeez, I actually might one day make a video of the Journey and its spiteful yet bittersweet end. Loved the video btw
time to come back final shape was pretty good im sure you already did after 5k hours tho lol ive played since d1 and well not sure i agree. It was pretty goddamn atrocious until basically Taken King
The title isn't clickbait its awesome
speaking about the mistery of the dreaming city, i guess thats why i liked the witch queen a lot, finding out how the hive got the light, the origins of the hive, the reveal of the witness and then the fight inside the pyramid with rhulk, was pretty good on my opinion, great video :)
that's the biggest click bait i've ever seen
You bet lol
Facts
"Why isn't the Hangman reused" He was, in the exotic Mission Presage
and back when the mission first came out he was an actual threat to deal with, since he could one hit you and there wasn't that much space where you could get away. Also Ads
Yeah I played presage like the week I uploaded the video again, just something I missed lol
@@Nanokk_ maybe not exactly the hangman but we had basically the same guy in the witchqueen mission where you find sagira
Great video, I was ready to make a comprehensive essay response when I read the title lmao
Brother Cayde held his ghost out in the open because he’s ARROGANT. That’s the whole point! His arrogance got him killed
"There was this really cool bow that got sunset so i dismantled it immediately"
Not my baby... 😢
Its un-sunset now....
@@rafaelwells7247 blame Datto
@@Nanokk_Blame bungie for doing this scummy sunset and vaulting bullcrap, not datto, can't blame him tho
@arshkhanlm3086 it's a joke big guy
I want to mention/nitpic that the curse of the dreaming city was actually a wish Savathûn made with riven, and how the reason riven was taken was also due to Oryx and Riven making a wish to deceive each other. I just wanted to clarify cause I’m a hide lore nerd.
Yeah. Ahamkara can’t grant their own wishes, if they do, they stop existing; like what happened with Taranis.
Bro has a steam friend named hitler chan 💀
The implication of there still being marathon lore OLYMPIANS out there made my jaw drop. Keep praying joyeuse
23:40 I would love legendary Red War and Forsaken
26:08 his ship was crashed on mars, it is in one of the lost sectors that have fallen in it
2:49 this scene is literally like the final cutscene of that one GTA San Andreas mission where CJ kills Pulaski 💀
Hangman is reused as a boss at the end of the presage exotic mission and in the witch queen campaign
I've literally addressed this several times already in the comments
@@Nanokk_ 👍🏼
I enjoyed the video, there are good points and very well made and researched arguments complemented by great editing too. Good job
I miss that glitch gameplay, thamk for comin back
Lore wise, campain was amazing
One of the best video game analysis I’ve seen in a long while. This guys gonna be up there with Writing on Games and Whitelight in no time
Are you supposed to get a player cutscene for cayde’s death in the timeline reflection?
No idea, I played it when it came out for the gun and never thought about it again
yes.
BUNGIE's seasonal model created a really unfortunate effect, because the chess game between Mara and Savathûn is one of the most compelling elements of Destiny's story, and for many people, the new final shape missions will be their first introduction to it since the rest isn't replayable. Mara had this grand elaborate plan for victory and Savathûn just swooped in and said "I see exactly what you're trying to do and how about no." Savathûn has taken so much from Mara to the point where she's actually had to develop because she finally met an enemy that she can't outsmart and to wage war against Savathûn can only lead to a pyrrhic victory because Savathûn is always willing to go to greater lengths to win, she trapped her own daughter in an endless cycal of being killed just to skrew with Mara.
Man, thanks for making me feel like a fucking moron for liking Cayde’s humor. It was one of the few things that made The Red War tolerable.
Nanokk i remember being drunk asf on new years watching your red war video
Excellent video!!! 100% agree most of the best destiny story is unfortunately almost never put into the main campaigns. I also don’t know why they thought reserving the connecting story of major dlcs for background lore was a good idea. It makes almost all destiny’s story incoherent for the average player!
12:45 Ether is quite flammable if I recall
Came back to destiny after a while how is mara sov alive 😂
She had a throne world similar to crota and oryx in D1
The Forsaken campaign was better than previous D2 campaigns but yeah it was still pretty shit and basic. Cayde dies so we kill a bunch of fallen enemies that are at least unique and then a stupid ass meatball servitor for the final boss which was such a shitty boss. Uldren should’ve been the boss. The campaign barely has any real story, and most of the important details are in the lore. Like how Uldren gets taken, how Caydes ghost was killed, why Uldren hates Cayde. That’s shit that needed to be in the campaign and it wasn’t. For some reason Bungie thinks that they have to have the most basic ass CW tier writing in the campaign when literally everybody would find it cooler if they just embraced the lore and let the world breathe. The actual storyline of Forsaken is barely even in the campaign, most of it is in the lore cards. So while it was a great dlc for the content it added, I still laugh at people that call it a good story. The campaign was still dogshit, even if it finally had some boss variety. Destiny 2 players are just so used to extreme mediocrity that they thought it was actually great. Go play Halo reach, that’s what a good campaign is. It’s a good dlc, it added a lot of good stuff and the raid was fantastic, but it was still a bad campaign. The mission environments are still leagues above most of D2 missions but the actual driving narrative is pretty non existent (in game)
I mean, sure, Uldren is just A Guy and doesn't seem to have any cool powers, but they missed an opportunity to have the final boss be a Riven-Corrupted Uldren thing.
There’s a lot of it which isn’t lore too but just flavor text and moments from D1 that you had to remember from Taken King and launch. Some examples, Cayde HATES Uldren, and the awoken in general aren’t trusted by the vanguard. Also stuff like why the prison riot happened is explained partially in warden of nothing and how Variks took off and had delusions of power. How Sundance (Cayde’s Ghost) was taken out being that The Rifleman is the greatest sniper in the solar system and the only one who could’ve made that shot, but Cayde and Sundance as we know from Red War’s events are reckless thrill seekers. The Scorn are made by something corrupting their ether and their abominations which shouldn’t be alive (explained in the opening mission). Why do we hate Uldren outside of him killing Cayde, well he was a massive jerk in Destiny 1 and House of Wolves and he’s actively distrusted by most people. As for how Uldren gets taken I think most people would’ve assumed (like I did) that he got taken during the cutscene where he “died” in Taken King, it’s like rule number 1 we never saw the body so he wasn’t dead same with Mara.
Honestly most of the complaints I hear about Forsaken’s story come from people who experienced it after Beyond Light where the adventures and world building to better explain Tangled Shore and its campaign were gone. And you were encouraged to experience those details and public event dialogues because the barons had way higher levels than a player could reasonably have so they weren’t just a back to back mission list like they became post Beyond Light. It’s a massive shame
About the intergalactic chess game, how would Mara know the guardians were even capable of killing Oryx, or that they would be willing. She might have know that they killed Crota in his Ascendant Plane, but only after the loss of vanguard unity, many fireteams and city unity. Oryx as far as I understand is much more powerful than Crota, and supported assumedly by other Hive Gods and the Darkness. These story only work backwards. I read the Lore cards back in 2015-17, they sure were cool when I was 14 and never wrote a essay in my life, but I have a this growing feeling that alot of this "Destiny lore is expertly written and amazing!" rhetoric is like an old wife's tale passed along by people never exposed to critical and amazing story telling.
Also side edit. These kind of plan stories tend to go down terribly if not properly managed, and if not that simply feel very fan-fiction like. Cersei from Game of Thrones is a great example, she's a devious manipulator who due to her social status needs to use her wits to out smart and out think other people around her, but she is not a God simply because she is smart, she has emotional and strategic shortcomings that make her predictable with enough thought by others, which is further developed as she goes about out smarting others in clearly thought-out ways that can be plausibly countered by other characters. Whereas in the later seasons of GoT when the show runs out of books and becomes of low quality, you get the opposite. Cersei simply outwits others because she's cersei and her character trait is being ruthless and manipulative, and the consequences of her manipulations are never considered, because the writers, instead of asking themselves what would cersei do here to plausibly get herself out of this or that scenario, simply ask themselves what would be cool for cersei to do, or more simply, Cersei is devious therefore Cersei beats her enemies until another character with greater plot priority comes along and the same happens to her. Something making sense and something being explained are two different things.
Hey that spinny swinging boss that you wished bungie would reuse does get reused as the final boss in presage.
Yeah I literally did the mission like a week or two after publishing the video after not playing it since it dropped. Felt kinda dumb lol
Forsaken was awesome,best crucible sandbox
love the vid
Gonna say a very hot take.
I think forsaken was the best expac because it killed off Cayde
Forsaken and Red War campaigns should return, let new players get a hang of the story instead of relying on UA-cam to learn the lore
Kind of unrelated but which weapons are you using in the beginning of the video? Don't think I've ever seen them
Only if these videos got more views :(
I'm just happy there are people watching:)
Says he wishes the hanged man was used more often meanwhile he pops up two more times in the series
When? Genuinely couldn't find a single reuse of the fight nor do I remember one
@Nanokk_ Wouldn't the Presage boss and the version of him in Witch queen be counted as reuses? Not trying to start anything just curious.
@LorekeeperNexus516 honestly completely forgot about Presage, the Witch queen one has a different model but generally similar mechanics. Both have an extra "thing" to make the fight longer or stretch it out. The Presage was better imo since you're in a smaller room. But yeah I forgot about those and nothing comes up when you look up "hangman fight reused destiny 2" so that's probably why I missed it. I also don't play D2 as much and haven't played either activity in at least a year so I don't think I would've remembered that
Really small thing, the reason why cayde wasn’t careful when bringing his ghost out is because there are very few things that can kill a ghost. The bullet used to kill his ghost is either from or similar to the bullets fired by thorn, a gun made to kill guardians. We don’t worry about pulling out our ghost mid combat because there is basically no threats to doing so, hence cayde’s lack of fear.
No that's not true. Because Felwinter also did it with the Felwinters Lie. Even looking at lore it's kinda vague as to what can kill a ghost. Because it also brings into question how we're able to kill a ghost with our bare hands
@@Nanokk_wouldn’t that be because felwinter is a guardian ?
@@Nanokk_ but I thought we know what can kill a ghost? It’s anything that is paracausal. Us as guardians are inherently paracausal as we use the light and dark. Felwinter was a guardian, so they could kill ghosts. The bullets from thorn (and the one used to shoot cayde’s ghost) are said to be paracausal. Your average dreg in the cosmodrome however is not paracausal so there is no reason to fear being permanently killed by them.
@@ne12follow That doesn't explain how Crota and several other hive were able to kill guardians? As far as I can tell neither Crota nor his sword are paracausal. But I also want to mention that I usually don't get into the lore in my videos when it comes to the campagins. Just because thats something they should explain in game. But for the sake of discussion Bungie is honestly really vague about how a ghost can be killed. I've seen sources say all you need is a really powerful weapon, others are more precise saying it has to be paracausal. Interesting topic nonetheless
@@Nanokk_ except it does, because Crota’s sword is paracausal, described as being “so dark, it drained whatever Light it touched.”
Let's go!!!
When Mara sov screamed at ghost me and my cousin was so shocked and speechless of what happened
I know this such a nitpick and means nothing, but the Rider is female
ngl the only reason why i wouldnt send this video to my friends is because you kept dropping the r word
what the fuck is the r word??
good video
It's not a bad expansion but it has always been the lesser taken king. People act like foresaken changed so much when most of what it did was revert things vanilla did wrong.
>Lesser Taken King.
Yeah, except…
Last Wish>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>King’s Fall.
what auto rifle is that
If you're referring to the one at the start of the video, it's Firefright from Season of the Haunted I crafted during the craftening
@@Nanokk_ awsome, one question how does it get that mutishot effect?
That was during the craftening. You could combine a shotgun with an auto rifle, a grenade launcher with an trace rifle. Look it up, it was an insane time
shit forgot about that time....
lol this guy is just as snarky as Cyde… but not as charismatic
yo how did you do forsaken in 2024 tf😂
I've been wanting to make this video for years and I recorded footage right before it got vaulted. I've been sitting on this for a while lol
17:04 🤣🤣🤣
How are you doing so much damage in a GM lol
Edit: oh craftening stuff
Did bro not play presage
Yeah I did:(
these dudes acting like they all connected that it was the same scorn i did presage a few dozen times and at no point did i connect the dots lmao im either an idiot or didnt remember much about forsaken by that tine
fire criticism
Lmao Destinypedia. Dude has never heard of Ishtar collective then. Also to add Forsaken was the start of the retcons it's as to why we are here with D2 today.
I hadn't heard of the Ishtar Collective at the time no, but even then I don't think it would've helped me much more with this project over Destinypedia. And yeah the retcons are why I stay away from the lore, amongst other things
You cool but you got some L opinions.
Destiny players have never played a real game
Yup I already know.
I will still hold strong when I say that Destiny 1 not only was but IS leagues ahead of d2.
Im so happy I finally quit the cycle of shit by deleting everything in this doulless garbage of a game.
I have strong opinions on this franchise and on bungos retardation and scummyness.
Even tho D1 is my favourite game and will prolly never cease to be so...I know in my heart that D1 is barely an 8/10 game...
And thats D1, d2 is such a fucking rotten corpse that it doesnt deserve a score, but id say a 6/10 as the technical team has carried this game.
I could talk for 300 hours about my 5000 hours in this franchise. I could talk about how deep its missed potential pierces my heart, or about how much it has changed my life for the better.
I have gotten unforgettable memories, so I sincerely thank bungo for that.
Thank you, but god damn fo I despise you...
Do it man, make that video
Maybe one day I will.
I mean I atleast have enough background footage for a 10 hour video!
Jeez, I actually might one day make a video of the Journey and its spiteful yet bittersweet end.
Loved the video btw
@@casualsatanist5808 Thanks! Appreciate it!
D1 nostalgia lord
time to come back final shape was pretty good im sure you already did after 5k hours tho lol
ive played since d1 and well not sure i agree. It was pretty goddamn atrocious until basically Taken King