Starting a Tree Service Business
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- Опубліковано 6 жов 2024
- Hello, hello, welcome to the tree channel. I am a little behind in starting this channel but I am excited to create longer videos for you guys. Thank you for watching and we will continue to grow the business.
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Looks like your off to a decent start. I went solo 3 years ago and havent looked back. There are 2 things that led to my success, the first being that i did not undercharge no matter how much i wanted to in order to secure getting bids on jobs, and probably the most important is that i executed exactly what i told the customer like when the job would be completed and all the details between. I make sure to go above and beyond with every job and itll pay off. Every job i go to do, i have atleast 3-4 neighbors around each job that want a bid and out of those 3-4, i end up doing jobs for 2 of them. Be very personal with potential customers because they want to feel like they know you, it puts them at ease. Good luck and great job so far! Stay safe.
Hey bro just a few little tips! If you're doing a full removal and get down on the ground before you start putting wood down (to get a fresh battery or drink or smth) you can make it a lot easier on yourself by getting the limbs tidied up or out of the way, save yourself pulling firewood chunks from on top of a rats nest of brush. Also if you are going to one hand the climbing saw to push blocks off you might as well throw them as far as you can. It's more time efficient to send logs 1/5th the height of the stub with a conventional face cut and land them all flat next to eachother.
Same with the limbs, if a climber is going to make a mess of branches at the bottom it's safer to have 2 hands on the saw. If you are going to cut and hold you can at least throw and stack the limbs from the tree to make it a lot easier on yourself when you get down! (if you climb with a ground guy he will love you for this)
Lastly please hire a groundsman who you can train to be competent enough in a tree to rescue you! Or at the very least have your climb line round the tree so you can self rescue.
All the best bro keep at it and be safe!
Many good points.
"This is America and my tree job " - couldn't agree with you more. Keep pushing forward young man.
Great quote, one of the greatest benefits of living in this country is being able to own your own business
Cool man, others posted their advice, I’ll say that as you learn the little tricks over time you will begin to be more comfortable in the tree, it’s a good thing but never lose that fear of doing something wrong, that’s what keeps great tree surgeons alive.
the first time i stopped caring i took my first fall.
Good job brother its not a bad thing to get started a little later tree work is taxing on the body ive been doing it since ive been 16 and now im 39 wish i got a later start i feel it...be safe brother...one last piece of advice do 2 cross cuts when chunking down would way more safe and more control...
I'd also get Gerald (Jerry) Beranek books. He's one of the absolute best! If you can find his videos, even better
Baileys used to have a his videos on DVD. But now I think they sell them on a thumb drive or something.
I get my chain from Madsen's out Centralia WA. They are one of the best.
Highly reccomend hand filing either with round file or square makes all the difference. I learned and I’ll never go back to one of the jigs but they are a very useful tool to help learn the skill. Keep cutting!🤙
Good job man tip for working solo would be just coil ur rope up and put it on the harness might be a bit heavier but nothings worse than a stuck rope also ur main line when u took the top and chunking put the carabiner on the splice and tie it off since it’s fully chocked better support/positioning or just use on both d rings solid graft keep up the grind
250's, for are great! I had to open the muffler 3 times larger. Then mine runs great.
I also got one of the last 260's. It was a worthless dog, until I opened its muffler too. Now both the 250 and the 260 run wide open.
Dude I don't mean to be critical,,,, but watching the video looked like a recipe for disaster. The chunking down was very unsafe, could cut your hand or arm with one slip, a snap cut would have been safer. Cutting closer into collar of the branch will give you more control with that species of tree. Always make sure your climbing line is right at branch collar,,, not a bit out on branch. Should't have to wiggle saw back and forth, that tells me the saw is dull. A dull saw is also more chance of a blunder. It's also very important to know the characteristics of the tree your climbing, so might be good to invest time with a dendrology course or books or an experienced climber.
Anyways,,,,,,, stay safe
cheers
Another bozo
Patience is power! I have a similar business in the Caribbean which I started years ago. Didn't get much support in the earlies but I keep at it till this day and I don't regret it.
Just a reminder I’ve been in tree work for 30+ years and I must say. Never do tree work by yourself not a good idea if something was to happen you get hurt how long would you be there before you got help. 2nd I know help is sometimes hard to find but it’s better to wait until you have help than to take a chance. 3rd. I noticed when you 1st started the trees with pole saw you was slapping the gutter be careful on that. Knocking them down or damaging them can sure dive into your profits 4th. I highly recommend you get either a Stihl 201t or a husqvarna 540t for climbing. I know it’s a gas saw but you have the power if needed but that’s just my opinion. 5th. I recommend doing 1 tree at a time and clean up brush 1st if you don’t need it for a cushion makes the job go much better because you get a lot of tied together limbs make it hard on you at the end of the day. But again all of this is only my opinions. But I’m glad you’re looking to the future and are on the correct path. Just be safe and enjoy what you do will take you along ways. Good luck my friend
Thanks for sharing your work with us. Keep it going.
Try not to cut at neck height and put ears/scarf cuts when pushing out softwood tops.
Those sharpeners are ok. But not that great.
But if you get an Oergon 510, or something simular,, you'll be much happier.
The in's and out's of the grinders are learned quickly.
I go deep to get the guilt. It does cut faster with deeper gulits.
I roll the head over as far as it'll go and run a 30 or 35 degree top angle
I use the Maxx grinder to take down rakers. The head on the Oregon grinder roll over farther than the Maxx. I like that about the Oregon.
Buying chain in 100 ft rolls saves me about 50%.
You're not an idiot.
They're both spruce trees and evergreens at the same time. Evergreen is just a term for all non-deciduous trees. They are called evergreens because they are always green, they don't shed their greenery.
I also do solo tree work, it is in fact my preference. All tree work, especially climbing is inherently dangerous. You would do well to accept some of the criticism you have gotten here in the comments.
The most important thing is that you go home at the end of each day. Most of the safety related comments are valid and I will add you should always have to tie ins when you are cutting (it wasn't clear to me in the video if you did or not).
Another bit of advice I will offer is to consider it a failure ANY time a branch or other part of the tree touches the house. So at the very start of the job when you were pole sawing branches onto the roof and gutters - not professional. Also, for people inside the house, it will sound like they are being bombed.
Keep at it, take your time, at least consider all advice and criticism.
Be safe!
Good day Aaron ! Brad here, came across your video and subscribed you are driven individual with a goal in mind. Awesome to see hard work and determination will pay off. Cheers 👌🏻🇨🇦🔥
Nice gear loadout and it sounds like you're headed in a cool direction. Good stuff man
wow, thank you my friend. it’s funny i have been watching your videos and i actually bought that same chinese skid steer temporarily 😂
@@SchmiTREEz-jj4hj oh wow, small world! equipment seems to work that way: gotta go through a few machines until you find what really works for ya. Climb high and cut small, bro
@@metaspencer thank you my friend. keep up the good work and awesome videos
Great video, and you have a good attitude. Watch the one handing on your cuts though. There’s a time where one handing is ok but use two hands if you have the option. Hand injuries are very common, in our business . Best of luck to you
Very true my first experience with a 201T I cut length ways down the middle of my thumb half way down the nail. Not to mention I was in the top of a Cotton wood. I usually make my bottom cut with one hand and then start coming down with one hand so I have a better view and then I grab the Handel to shoot through my hinge or I stop right before I am through grab limb and burp it the rest of the way. Get an Echo top Handel from rip saw those fake saws are good to have around but it is safer for everyone to use a fast cutting snappy saw that will drop limbs in any direction you want. I also believe the whole neighborhood should hear you so everyone knows exactly where the danger is. Honestly even my Chinese clone 25 cc rips through hardwood faster than that wanna be a saw.
I’m glad I found your channel man. I just like you went to college and figured out I hated being in an office, so I left and got a job with a municipality where Ive been working with trees for the past 3 years and I’ve recently bought everything I need to climb and do tree removal and hoping to start my own business. Seeing this gives me a lot of motivation to follow my dream
i believe in you man!
Hey I’m 24 I started my company this Jan 1 I have 6 1/2years of climbing experience. Biggest things clients look for is if you are licensed and insured. It sucks and it cost me 2000 for the license and around 8500$ for the insurance. It’s been two weeks and my insurance is almost paid off. These expenses you have to take on the chin but it will all be worth it and you will get a lot more clientele because that is important to homeowners. You can also blast your license number every where and it will open you up for contract opportunities. Fellow tree business owner sincerely Apex Tree Pros. You have a great start keep it up 💯
I also went to college for 5 years and wished I had started tree work earlier. I had no idea tree work even existed before that point lol. Now i'm working as a foreman/climber at a company only 26 hourly, gonna ask for that raise though. This year I'm planning doing solo work myself I just need a to find a cheap truck. Thanks for sharing!
If your NEAR,Tennessee I have tons of work and grcs ..looking for one good guy to step up...have client base year round work..4 years now...getting older and am hurt ..from 30 years of working for crews like your talking about.not best climber as I've had to relearn everything and learn new stuff.going to buy a bucket soon.but need a guy...eventually after time sky would the limit for options..have enough gear to do any jobs..also do commercial jobs...
Tree top vantage??
Hey man, awesome video. I'm kinda in the same boat with the owner/ operator deal with alot of the same equipment you use. I must say you are a freaking beast man. Climbing the tree,cutting the tree, loading debris, cutting the trailer down, then Climbing a second tree. Holy smokes man, makes for a long day. Also as previously commented I would definitely have a second man on any job with you incase of an emergency. I'm not here to bash you man because no one is perfect and I k own these folks on here could probably go tear me apart on "what I'm doing wrong" on my videos as well. Anyways I like the ambition and keep up the good work bro! You got it! Side note- If you haven't already I'd definitely look onto some form of standardized training. ACRT hosts some awesome training classes for Climbing and such. Best of luck!
having a guy on the ground that is familiar with air rescue is a absolute must. Climbing alone is a very stupid idea.
You did good! Avoid one hand as much as you can, do a snap cut or a face notch (when chunking) because the way you doing one day you may accidentally cut yourself, we all need to practice being careful and safe that’s all
Spruce is a species of evergreen/ softwood those were needles not leaves.
Open clip . .open arm all blade under arm .open to guts ..... not a dad but logger here . Hats off to climbers .
I recommend a Branch Manager grapple over a grapple bucket. And give rigging rings a try. They blow blocks away. Good to see a young man going into tree work.
Rings and blocks both have their place, you can't lift with a ring like you can with a block for example
Hey man, be sure if you are going to climb alone that you use a choked climb line. Also be willing to sacrifice a few chains on the bench and practice filing with nothing but your files (watch buckin billy ray’s video on how to file a chain). Also watch strider trees for lots of tree info and many tips on what kind of equipment works the best. There is a lot of art to how your hinges affect the total outcome of the way what you cut moves, do as much research as you can as it might save your life. It’s always informative to watch tree fail videos to get an idea of just how wrong it can go. From one tree business owner to another I wish you luck and God bless.
Oh hell yea I found this channel early. This will be a great journey!
Aye man, you’re off to a great start. Keep striving to be yourself!!!
"Im not a certified arborist but still have ARBORIST on my business cards because i do the same things an arborist does." 😂 bro has me dying here. I have "superhero" on my business cards. Im not really a superhero, I just do superhero shit all day! Ffs.
To add, this isn't the industry to
"fuck around and find out" in. You'll fuck around and find God REAL QUICK. There isn't really such thing as too many "minor accidents." Its as simple as "you mess up, you die." Or, best case scenario, missing a limb (ha!). Ive seen a lot of shit happen in only doing it for 15 years. Go get some training from people who know what theyre doing. Its extremely dangerous work and only a matter of time before shit happens. It's not "if" its "when."
If you got incapacitated in the tree can you self recover? As someone who has done a lot of solo work, don’t.
Ayy nice work. Kudos to you for taking the entrepreneurial route. Two decent size spruce, with full removal? AND you did it yourself! Makes me wonder what you put on that one
Yo its great that you're getting started however i feel you need a lot more experience. Many of your cuts scare me. Seems like you're just hoping it will work instead of knowing what does. I suggest finding a experienced climber to learn from. Its great that people are encouraging but lets be honest
Let’s be honest I think you were watching a separate video guy. He did just fine . What was wrong with his climbing that he needs to find an experienced climber? What cuts scared you? He made that one notch for the top and then he said he should have done it more that direction. He realized his mistake and he from that. Don’t be a dick for no reason.
He’s not being a dick, a lot of his cuts when chunking down blocks made me tense up as well. One handing a top handle and crossing over your arm is a big no no. One wrong motion and he could hit his arm, and with no ground guy, could be a deadly situation
This job is extremely dangerous, around 220 people are killed annually. Every cut you make on a tree matters, this guy has a lot to learn and unfortunately he’s doing a job where a simple mistake can cost you you’re life in a heartbeat.
He is correct. Situation are going to come up, that are going to bire him. Nothing with being a green horn. But things happen. Very dangerous things thar bite like gidden snakes....
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for him and jumping right in, I believe, is a great way to do it. So yes, this is definitely something we all need help in learning....
@@SmsLcs09
How much do you take for such work
Dude I’m not trying to be a dick but take all that equipment and put it to the side and put your money into some classes and go shadow a real climber and learn some things from them I think you can do it but the rules in tree work were written in blood don’t get yourself killed
Sweet yer not many start with a mini loader. Game changer if got access. Cheers bro'
How many saws of comparable size to the 500 have you used before ? Only asking because you mentioned the 500i being the best. There’s many options out there
Safety first pay a guy a few coins to make sure your rope is clear when climbing. Great video though 👌
You definitely seem like a natural in the tree. But if you’re going to learn on your own I would look into bringing in a good contract climber in your area. Ya you’ll spend 400-500 for they’re services but you will learn a ton. Just some advice.
Everyone I’ve ever worked with in the last 5 years has taught me something new. Cheers!
I was taught to leave the limbs to protect the lawn from the heavy wood falling but i guess everyone does it differently
Best job in the world. 💪
Good video man! Looking forward to the next one!
Stay safe out there!
I really belive if you continue to put out content like this video with catchy titles you can make your channel grow like victory outdoor services. Great video man
You need some shelves for the garage, might give you more space.
Simple and efficient setup. I’d recommend you get a ported 261 CM by ripsaw. A nice medium size saw that will absolutely shred.
noted
Nope, get another 500i.
Bar and chain are interchangeable from the top handle to the telescoping pole saw.
i did this
Off to a good start but alot to learn. Ive been in the industry for 17 yrs...keep it up, its gunna get tough but just keep going
You said it yourself, easier to just fell it in that perfect hole you have. Avoid the butts kicking out, avoid the huge tangled mess of pine at the base of the tree. Avoid burying your rope. Less exposure to risk. Keep cutting my dude.
Nice job brother, do yourself and the rest of us in the industry a favor,always have a ground guy with you. ALWAYS. I say that because I care about you. I never climb by myself or do I ever leave a climber by his self. Keep grinding away brother 🫡🫡🫡
Just kuz you have a ground guy doesn’t mean your gonna get saved. 99% of the time ground guys have no idea how to perform an aerial rescue. They’d call 911 just like a homeowner or neighbor
Idk why everyone keeps saying this, half the basic people off the street you'd hire as a ground guy are gonna be worthless for rescue or help.
iPhones have a feature where they call 911 when they sense a fall now. Same shit a ground guys gonna do for $20 less an hour
Me: "how can I get the wife to let me buy a bunch of new power tools?"
Also me: "buy a "top handle saw" that says Milwaukee. It's for the business all same batteries hunny!"
Just got the plant app, game changer. Thanks
love this app
Keep up the good work and stay safe out there !
You like that Milwaukee saw? What kind of batteries do you have and how long do they last?
So lets get this straight, you are 23, spent 5 years in college…so you started a tree business at age 23 with exactly 0 years of tree cutting experience.
Do you have insurance? Are you bonded?
You cut those branches right over the gutters…your cuts are dirty…
I guarantee you will cause damage, as everyone in the business does, and without insurance, that will be the end of your business. Im not trying to discourage, im giving you honest advice from someone who has been in the business for 30 years…
Start off on a crew under someone who can train and teach you…then go out on your own
Your climbing line is under a pile of brush…thats dangerous…
You put “arborist” on your business card, which is misleading because arborists are trained and certified and understand tree biology, where to make cuts, the health of a tree…you possess none of those skills, so you dont even understand the difference between and arborist and a sawyer…
I saw your nearly cut your own line 3-4x, then your top nearly hits the line because you didnt calculate it the facecut angle…
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Hello hello,,,, a Stihl 151 top handle saw is my Go To climbing saw unless your taking down a Fir, or other big wood tree where more umph will make your job easier taking down the trunk,,, I disagree with U about the Stihl 250 for a ground saw,,, U should be blocking your rounds coming down the trunk,,, total control,,, Go Gas not Battery for power ,,, use the scribe on the tooth as a guide to sharpen your chains, practice makes perfect, don't reduce your rakers too much,,, Good luck & Play Safe
Hedger on the milwalkee. Sometimes hedges keep ya goin as much as they can suck. Best to ya
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That’s what I make a day and that’s still double minimum wage where I live lol 😂
I’m not calling you greedy though, it’s not a bad pay but wanting to take the chance to get more money is a great personality triad because that’s how you end up being able to live comfortably instead of paycheque to paycheque
Dude, you didn't even put a face cut in while felling the top. If you dont get those cuts to line up the first time, cut a second, third or fourth time to get that face cleaned up so she'll tip the direction you are hoping it will. A lack of patience to correct small mistakes will lead to big problems in the future.
Just had a thought, maybe a bright green rope instead of orange might be safer. Just thinking sunlight and orange/yellow might blend.
All the idiots come out of the woodwork to give advice
Evergreens are non-deciduous trees. Deciduous trees are trees that drop their leaves in the fall. Most evergreen trees are conifers.. which are your spruces, pines, trees that have NEEDLES, as opposed to leaves. There are a few weird exceptions, but hopefully you get the point. Be safe, and stop nailing the customers roof with branches.
Always 2 tie ins when you’re making a cut
Awesome to see new and young blood in this industry. Looks like you’re off to a great start. Where are you located?
West Des Moines Iowa
What about the mini skid steer? I’ve been looking and maybe gonna get one.
i highly recomend anything vermeer. they save your back
I have a toro dingo 427 with the grapple and it's a beast. A mini that can fit through a 36" gate and load the dump trailer is worth it's weight in gold.
Picking up logs by hand when you have a mini skid at home is insane.
The million dollar question is how do you haul the mini and the chopped tree at the same time when you are working by yourself? Thats atleast 2 round trips.
Where and when did you learn to climb?
How did you go about learning all the rigging?
Get a chipper & a ground guy.
Real UNSAFE by yourself.
You'll learn.
August help him!!
Tell the world and you won't be making that money long when you're market is saturated. It's very sad feeling whenever you go through that situation been there myself.
Yeah he needs a life insurance policy and a worker's comp policy..... glad i was able to be trained by pros when i was a teen ... 30years later still at it .... watching these kids now days with no experience makes me cringe cuz ive seen some bad shit happen from rookies
Nice saw!
Don't leave your saws on the floor. The chemicals from the concrete will eat a hole in the magnesium
Wtf
Time to live your life 🙏❤️
Good work.
husqvarna battery saw is best I hear
this is awesome
Did you get any arborist certifications? An how did you advertise yourself when you first started? Iam about to embark on this myself, went an got a top handle a 60cc saw a pole saw, all the climbing equipment an some rigging goodies. Just not sure how to begin lol
Guess you answered the advertising part lol
I am not a certified arborist. This requires 3 years of full time experience to take the test. I will get this as soon as I am qualified because it can help you out taking commercial jobs. I first started out with road signs and knocking on doors. I used social media and word of mouth as well to find business. Referals come with time and doing great work for customers. Best of luck to you my friend
@@SchmiTREEz-jj4hj thanks, where you located? Iam near Ann Arbor Michigan area
I started my tree work about 3 years ago now. Its is what most would call a hobby, as i have a full time job already and do tree work on the side. I never advertised and only wanted to do my own/familys trees. I started doing my own work and it spiraled to my neighbors, my dads neighbors, coworkers, friends etc. Seems every job i am on, someone nearby will approach asking for me to look at a job. But put yourself out there to family/friends, neighbors etc. I just naturally look at trees as i drive and if i see easy trees i will sometimes stop and drop off an estimate in their mailbox. Don't be afraid to chase easier trees to start with and turn down hard trees in the beginning until you build your skills and confidence. Be open, honest and approachable with customers and word of mouth will spread in time.
Climbing with just one tie in and no second guy is going to get you killed. Make sure your doing jobs making at least $150 per man hour including disposal. Good luck
It's a nice job, but it's dangerous. How much do you charge for it?
Did you find it difficult to get insurance cover when you started?
Nr 28 sub right here!
Dude you need a lot more experience to be doing this solo, especially if you can’t figure out how to sharpen a chain… not tryna be mean but jeez
I support you brother. You should study for your arborist.
What state are you from? Its nice to see someone my age passionate about tree work.
iowa
@@SchmiTREEz-jj4hj Ok cool
Remember now... this isnt about the views , especially if ya cut yrself .. no matter what .... SAFETY COMES FIRST
thanks for the video, just curious, how much did you charge to remove these 2 trees? i would have charged about 1400 a tree, just wanted to see where your at?
that entire job was 1100
How much is your insurance?
Travajo en árboles pero no casi agarro clientes un tip cómo agarrar clientes
As a British guy watching you with huge bars on your top handles doesn't make any sense. I recommend investing in a smaller bar 12' much safer and can do everything you need until you need a bigger saw. No criticism :)
All these comments are funny.. promise most of them never worked around tree's. But if i was you i would always have a guy with you, one for your saftey and for others saftey. Such as children running under neath you. I would also use cones to square your work area off.
Don’t get the telescoping one 😂it has way more power but is stupid heavy compared to the other one
too late now i literally just bought it😂
@@SchmiTREEz-jj4hj I love it but when you get in a tree and use it trying to reach way out it’s just not happening 😂
How much did you charge for this job?
Thats not the safest job to do alone anything can go wrong even when you do everything right a fall from that high and you are alone might have a bad outcome
What part of iowa? Im in the 563 area and have my own small tree business as well
are you in dubuque? i actually started doing tree work there. i’m in the 515
Think goin solo early ons not great idea. But yer.
What tree identification app you use?
plant this
Greatest saw of all time only been cutting for about 3 months,lol..jk
You need a 201T
i have it now
@SchmiTREEz-jj4hj Hell yeah! Keep up the grind!
Matter of time before you lose that left hand of yours.
Who did you learn tree work from?
i have worked for 10 different tree service businesses and multiple arborists all around Iowa
@SchmiTREEz-jj4hj Yr 23 and you have worked with 10 different types of tree companies already hmmm 🤔🤔 oh well , yr on yr own now 🥾🪓🪵🕶 gl and safe cutting ...