B20Vtec YCP vs 1UP piston All Motor Set Up Dyno Race Inside
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- Опубліковано 24 лип 2022
- A reliable street engine that runs 12s pump gas no e85
84x89 B20vtec simple and basic set-up that you guys can enjoy that will last for years to come. Camshaft used is a skunk2 Tuner2 and Supertech valve train
Both our local tracks are 100km away and this gets driven on the high-way no trailer no problem
We discuss the set up, some details of what we have done that are mostly geared for maximum efficiency as well as stuff geared towards making decent power, The owner Jasper also runs EcuLater our reliable source for chipped ecu's and parts even imports NGK race plugs
Sharing such a basic set-up to show that when done right, power and reliability can co-exist like this engine has been in operation since 2017 and it doesnt even break a sweat!
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Complete guide / how to:
On b20vtec conversion with b16 or GSR head is here including our tricks
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Awesome video got me craving a Ef now. Engine sounds great NICE build.
Oh yes brother you and me both!!! Sadly our wallets always disagree with that 😂
My bad on a small detail :
It also runs Ferrea 5000 series flat valves as seen on the video
Got confused as his 2000spec b18c we did runs stock ITR valves that’s on his SiR that rocks an S2k guage cluster ftw!
Great video. Explained in detail. You did also a very nice editing here including a lot of photos. I like the "red color head" there. Drop by in the evening if have time bro.
p.s. Dyno part rocks.
p.p.s. Keep up. You got my like.
Thanks man!
Thanks for sharing the valve covers man! Can’t wait till you get and see yours 😎
The pictures were good so I figured the slow zoom shows the quality ftw!! Plus they do look good man :)
Now the b20 hopefully gives u more ideas on ur engine plans :)
Or like me when I check stuff like this “suddenly” I plan 3 different engines that I want hahaha
Great info! As always, thank you for sharing 💐
Thank you to you guys the SA connection ftw!
As many new cars are high 11s and with slicks now 10s and 9s. 12 for na is so awesome ad gives me hope Ty appreciate the content
Oh hey man thank you for checkin’ this out
And notice the on-board? I always give Jasper a hard time for Granny shifting and a slow granny at that 😂
But he trying to preserve his tranny so can’t blame the dude 😂
But we know shifting a lil quicker might cut better time as the quicker shift to 2nd would and could lessen the 2nd gear spin so there should be more
Which I think it’s something u could get too sooner than later man
Ooooh snap! That Idle was on point
Jasper too baller it’s on Hondata S300 too 😎😂😂
Super clean work brother 🛠🚗👈❤
Oh thanks man! I say the same with the stuff you do! Simply clean and “smart” solution
We all need that too
Prodigy race engines is a legit builder! Finally someone from Minnesota that’s legit!
Oh Most definitely man!!! And them dudes are “real” in a sense that’s no fronting games and all they just do what they do
And TbH learned ALOT from Tou’
them guys are funny too!! ballin sense of humor
Another 🔥 video…you make it simple yet full of sense
Oh thank you man! Well it seems simple cuz it’s fun I guess atleast for me the fun is also in building these engines
The other fun factor is seeing owners figure out how to get a grip cuz engine “strong” lol!
@@SRDmotorsports so ECU later and the dude from SF that i have read in hondatuning magazine is the same…sheeesh legend na pala tlga yan si ECU later
@@WorkingClassMedia not sure if it’s the same but yeah he from SF I mean he grew up there then now living here
Hey man great video like always.
I never knew u could make so much hp using ycp pistons. I wish I knew that before I bought CP pistons
Oh thaaaanks man but atleast hey now u got room for more hp in the future :)
Gotta love the good ol B-Series!
Oh fo sho!!!!!
Really love Efs man, they're small , light and fun , if he can get 2nd gear to hook better he would run deeper into the 12s for sure and that track need some prep as well, great vid brother
Oh for sure man!!!
Full Body Restoration of this EF is here!
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GSR ported head and Skunk2 Ultra Street manifold the owner currently has and could or should be the next upgrade when bored 😂
Love the ef body.
Love it in red like hypeR's / lyndon's EF
So true actually most “solid” colors look good on an Ef and soooo true Lyndon’s and his gf back then had a Red Ef too! Red gave it that subtle classy look tlga!
My buddies eg hatch b20v stock high compression bottom end with itr cams unported gsr head skunk2 ultra street manifold mated with a b16 transmission , ran 13.4 on street tires and 12.6 with slicks , 23x8 I believe .
They dyno’d the car and it only made 187whp .
That’s niiice nice job! Must be one helluva 60ft on the slicks very good track prep!
Almost 2k subs let's go
Oh my man!!! Thank you for noticing and thank you for being here man!
will try harder for better content some more :)
Nice one🔥💯
Thaaaanks brother!
Crank is definitely knife edged 🛠🤙🙏
Hey man excited on the CivRV ftw!!!!! I’m tuned in as always ftw
Awesome content brother,,,was up at my dads this weekend its coming out great think tomorrow he making a video 🛠🤙🙏
@@royalracingtechroyalracing6128 now that I’m excited about woohoo!!
Thanks
Broooooo 😎 thank you man!
Another great vid Ralph, thanks. Great to see comparison of the pistons. I contacted Franks Motorsports but he's out of stock of the 84.5mm 1UP pistons unfortunately. Keep up the good work dude ✊
Oh snap I just remembered now your planned set up and all and yep both pistons work decent as u see ftw :) would prolly do a more dedicated video for the EF for the wizards like you :)
@@SRDmotorsports Exactly yeah, some might say I'd be better with 12:1 for the street rather than the 1UP with 12.5:1 I'm undecided. Can't believe the B20 in this vid is revving to 9700! I was gonna set my limit at 8000... If you can get hold of some 84.5mm 1UP pistons let me know dude, I'll buy them off you ✊
@@dangerpoole well just once a month at the track and we’ll ok fine on some weekends Jasper pulls around the local roads lol!
Alright yeah noted brother il check if friends here have a set or so
@@SRDmotorsports Haha I see, you wouldn't advise 9700 RPM regularly then. Cool, maybe I'll go in the middle then and have my rev limit at 8500 or 9000. Thanks dude!
@@dangerpoole yeah I think 8,500 is good I would do that and but have it set at 9,00’or even 9,500 for the “moments” haha
Thanks for that dome info. I’m planning on running them for my street/autox build. Aiming for less than 12:1 CR for 93 octane here to be safe.
Bruh!! Thank you! And yeah for street/autoX build I think the Gen1 YCP will be def hard to beat the mid dome level is like an ITR will def be efficient for 93oct for you… man with the right parts that be a beast!!!
@@SRDmotorsports No, thank you. Do you have any experience running a thicker cometic head gasket? I’m currently planning on using .051 thickness because i have around .011 decked between my head/block. That puts me around 11.7 or 11.8 according to the zeal calculator depending on the piston dome cc. Well.. maybe around 11.8-11.9 because I also have supertech flat valves.
@@kmvguy wait up on Tuesday I’m trying to prep a vid for this Autocross d16 we did will talk about cam choices related to intake manifold choices 😎
I havnt tried thicker cometic gasket but Cometic has always been good in my book… I think it will do no harm if u run a thicker one that restores the “lost” deck from milling previously on the head/block surfaces
I think this is the rare moment that Cometic lets us go back to factory spec mill level
@@SRDmotorsports Cool, just in time for the right video!
Yes sir!!!
I have a similar setup built, i went with skunk2 tuner 3 skunk2 pro street manifold and i got my compression from shaving head and block a total of .15 going to run e85 hopefully i make good numbers.
That will run real real good!
Use pros 3 better
Hey nice videos!. I’m currently building a b20 vtec for the street. Supertech full head, ported head, stock rods and I’m still unsure on the pistons and compression. What would you recommend for the street and on pump gas?
Oh nice , YCP and 1Up pistons will be a good choice
Hey nice videos man good I'm building a B20 VTEC NA I was wondering what I have to do to get around 240WHP
This didn’t get to finish its dyno session actually due to a fault distributor cap we just finished the tune on track
It could be 240 already
Hey, Ralph, first of all congrats for the videos, great work. I wanted to ask you and all the people here on this "circle" .
I have a b20b 84.5 bore with p30 pistons stock rods, b16a2 head ,ferrea flat valves supertech valve train, arp bolts on head and rods, compression is around 13.1:1 but I run a mix of 98 octane and methanol, around 10%...
Now my question for you guys is, how far should I run the rev limiter... I don't run drag races, most mountain roads. 82, 84 hundred?
Thanks 👊
Fodas! How did u know my name lol
But yeah sounds like a healthy engine set up…
Because u are on arp rod bolts
9k is safe I mean u can go 9.5k but I prefer 9k because u mention “mountain roads”
Those long turns can be too fun :) that repeating it often is “correct” lol!
Forgot to say pro 1 cams
Obrigado, I will try to keep it lower than 9k, but will see what the dyno says too! Thanks a lot , keep pumping those videos! 👊
@@miguelmoreird16 yes pro1 is excellent so u got meat of the power 8500 so yes sir 8.8k might be good
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Thaaaaanks bro! Glad you enjoyed this
Can you test the new 84mm ycp version 3 pistons ? Its deadmatch copy of the arias high dome pistons.
Not sure but the 1Up was the first deadmatch copy of an arias 7.4cc dome I know cuz I knew where the “piston” cam from and Al =‘owner of franksmotorsports is a personal friend
Hehehehe
oh thats ecu later’s B20 vtec :)
Yes sir yes sir!
That car has 11s in it all day with that power
Please tell the owner to shift like Brian Spilner or Dom 🤣 not a great granny hahaha but I agree!!! It’s itching for it
Hi Friend, very impressive, thank you for sharing. I Follow you . What was the exit speed for the Honda with the 12sec runs, and what diff ratio(GEARBOX)do you use for the 12sec pump gas street car? What is your octane rating(RON) in your country? 😊🙏
The exit speed is around 176kph I compute because it’s in miles… gearbox is a 4.4final drive TypeR transmission so it’s also LSD
Octane is also RON here it’s 97ron
Thanks for the reply, keep on doing what you doing. Your doing great work
Thank you! The tires are also 24inch tall so a little taller than normal tires so it could affect the exit speed but I believe not ALOT thank you also for checking the video :)
😊🙏🙏
Did they upgrade the rods when upgrading to 1 up pistons or still stock rods?
I built that stil same stock rods
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Thaaaanks man… maybe soon a tech car review
Love these videos. Wish I could do a b20v. Got the b20 block but no one will sell a head to me. They all want almost a thousand for one. Maybe Ill find someone who wants to trade or something.
Oh thanks man for checking these out!
I hear ya! me and Jasper we check some stateside and yeah suddenly it’s a grand ish something :(
De-burred sharp edges on the crank counterweights?
Great eye! Actually smoothed then polished all the crank counterweights before sending off to dynamic balancing = goal was to have “less oil cling”
As we know we can balance the crank but oil clinging will always be random every millisecond
So some details we do when we know we would dynamically rebalance the crank
But rare u need to dynamically balance a Honda crank they’re always well balanced from the factory
Hey, I have a question. According to this video, you said that the YCP are USDM spec type R pistons. Why did you calculate them @3.2cc instead of the 3.64cc (suggested on zeal website)?
I personally measured and cc’d the dome and got 3.2cc
@@SRDmotorsports ah I see. that makes sense. I couldn’t find this info anywhere else. Thank you
@@kmvguy I mean it’s okay the 0.44cc volume diff is small… just its what we got on the gen1 ycp so we reference that hehe
you tapered the weights on the crank to slice the oil in the pan easier?
Not totally taper but the surface refinish, polished to increase “oil shedding”
Which in turn lessens oil cling on the rotating mass of a crank
Good eye man!
@@SRDmotorsports It definitely looks polished but tapered as well. Can you make a sharp edge on the weight or will it remove too much material to keep the engine balanced? If the edge is sharp then in theory there should be less resistance when splashing into the oil making it easier to rev and increase horsepower? Never even thought of this stuff before lol
@@timm5970 good thoughts right there and yeah there is enough material to shape it indeed
Just quite time consuming 😂
On mine I didn’t do this cuz wasn’t willing to spend “extra”’on balancing
Funny on how we sometimes (often) cheap out on personal stuff lol
But since Jasper here was willing to have it dynamically balanced I figured it’s atleast harmless to do this :) but possibilities are better
Where can I buy 1up pistons ? I live in California
Grim Reaper oh man reminds me of Bill & Ted lol
Franksmotorsports are the guys who started this and they have an IG u can check there with them they’re local to me though
Hello mate, just a quick question i will be running B16B blocked sleeved to 85mm with b20 Crank, eagle rods and arp bolts both crank and rods. Will it be able to rev up to 9700?
That sounds safe yeah the bigger question is hopefully the cam, head, manifold can breathe to 9,700
@@SRDmotorsports For camshafts i will be using Toda Spec B with 50mm ITB's and hopefully i can source a Hytech header
@@SRDmotorsports Only issue is the pistons that are flat 11:1 maybe i need to change those
@@fworxtuning3727 oh nice set up
@@fworxtuning3727 that might be ok cuz the toda B isn’t so big
What rods do you recommend running the 1up pistons? It’s for n/a build with a goal of 200 whp
in cases like that we always just use/run arp rod bolts on factory rods, like this one on the video it’s been tearing up the track since 2017 and it’s a street car
@@SRDmotorsports nice !!! That’s awesome my brotha thanks for the info I messaged Frank to see if he has a set of 84.5 1up pistons in stock if so I will be placing an order 💯✊🏼✊🏼✊🏼
@@stevoej8204 he has i believe... as i asked him a week or so ago lol! gonna be an awesome build i see!
@@SRDmotorsports thank you man 💯💯✊🏼
@@stevoej8204 definitely! And have fun too!
Weird question do you know the dome of the new 84.5 nippon p73 00 piston im trying to figure out my compresion its b20 block and crank b20 rods p73 00 b16 head the compression calculator puts me at over 13.1:1 but nippon says there 12:1
Well the dome may be p73-00 ? If they suggest that
But it’s def not that comp height
Do check if the Nippon u have sits how much below deck and go from there
@@SRDmotorsports I sent them an email waiting to hear back the piston are even with the deck height block did get deck a few thousands I know with the old stype p73 ao used to be around 12:1
Yep if the block isn’t assembled yet u can check but yeah the older version was a max 12.2:1 cuz it sat 0.018” below deck so even if the dome was ITR it wasn’t identical in deck height
@@SRDmotorsports for sure I just got it back from the machine shop the pistons are flush with the deck the pistons say p73 00 when I use that piston on the compression calculator it puts it at just over 13:1 I'm just curious because I was planning on it being 12:1 and running a two layer head gasket to bump me up in the 12.5 range but I don't wanna risk it if it's actually higher
@@hseriesonlymonctonnb1181 so on the calculator does it stay flush? I’m sure it has a negative number on the deck height = calculator states it’s above deck
KnifeEdged crank?
Nah… just smoother surface then balanced
2:42 are those markings on the "R" piston for gas ports? ;)
Ahhh good eye that’s the YCP gen1
Yes marking = if you know me… you know every moment the piston is resting and waiting to be assembled on the work bench = ideas come
So I was spotting up areas where I felt gas ports would be good and wanted to asses where it sits if too close the valve pocket “eyebrows” which could lead to cracking
Dayum! good eye man!
@@SRDmotorsports Did you end up running gas ports on the YCPs? I remember Belben did those on P73s back in the day too, although some of the other experienced guys advised him that the cast pistons are too brittle for it.
@@findtherightbeat actually no I havnt and it wasn’t my engine that’s why so I was iffy on the “brittleness” of cast but
I’d try it on mine if I could but rather than have a machineshop do it? I’d get a drill press for it
Major downside is… stability is had only as the drill press gets bigger and the bigger it gets the price gets exponentially larger loool so expensive FTL
But maybe soon
@@SRDmotorsports True that! Belben's edge was that he was a machinist by trade and had his own machine shop.
@@SRDmotorsports Hope you can do a series on the below:
• Pressure recovery in the port, chamber, and seat area
• Vortex and vortices that affect flow and combustion quality
• Understanding the angle cuts on the 3-angle valve job
• vena contracta
• valve and the valve seat's influence on flow -- low, mid and high lift
Ecu? Or management system?..... prefer ECU
It runs a Hondata s300
Where u guys located
Oh man the question I often dislike lol not cuz it’s bad but cuz only DHL becomes happy 😂🤣😂
We are from the Philippines my friend
Is this a crv block? Isnt that different height than my b16? I have a small crx😇
Yes different height but see it fits :)
@@SRDmotorsports so it hangs lower? In norway the rules for modifying is really strickt.. i am in fact one of the controllers😂😂😇😇 32 years in the buizz… i just think i will bore mine to 1.8 l and highten the comp with pistons..? We can buy -98 octane here.. it is youre 93… any thing you can recommend/sell me?
It hangs “higher” a bit but not enough to hit the hood 🤣
I think u can do a lot of good even with the b16 it’s still a nice crx… a simple high compression piston like Supertech (or cheaper if PcT oem typed by NPR) maybe even pro1 cams and skunk2 ultra street intake manifold will go good for u
I made 230 on a stock block built head with tuner2 cams on pump 92 only reving to 8100 because my choice
Awesome choice there dude real nice!
How hard is it to find ef sir parts over there?
What’s hard is the rack end pinion and stuff cuz Japan is LhD so even here Jasper sourced those in the US but some body parts or lights can be stumbled upon here
@@SRDmotorsports yeah seem everything to do with ef's the prices have either soared to ridiculous levels or the availability is nonexistent.
@@Booyaabuilt so true and sadly it was one of the reasons I decided to let go of my EF and stayed or shall I say returned to EG as my first car was a Hatch but now got an EG sedan
My friend once said… “4doe for moe hoe”. 😂😅🤣
@@SRDmotorsports yeah I couldn't dream of getting rid of my crx, that thing will go to the grave with me. Its awesome to see a few of them out on the road still. I always like eg's too, never had the opportunity of owning one tho.. I like them 4dr too I got a couple of'em too.
Polished crank?
Yes sir good eye! Polished counterweights and all not just journals
@@SRDmotorsports very cool! I might attempt!
@@m.m.aautos6608 as long as u get it balanced after :)
Some stuff I figured maybe unnoticed so I thought pretty good to share
We all know we need a breather at the block cuz of pressure? So that’s air and oil mist
So when we think about it
That crank as it turns it deals with Aerodynamics in a sense like a mix of aero/hydrodynamics so it wouldn’t hurt 😎
Does 1up makes pistons for b16a2?
Ah no sorry man but. U can run ITR pistons
@@SRDmotorsports Im going to build a b20 for daily drive do you recomend 1up pistons or something with less CR?
@@picole321 1Up is good for that actually but even lesser comp is okay too
@@SRDmotorsports im a bit worried because almost all pistons manufactors clame CR higier than 12:1. Ycp pistons sold on eBay are One option too.
@@picole321 yeah that’s okay too
Knife shaved crankshaft..😊
Just polished actually not too sharp
More like the leading edge of a wing :)
Ok na yan. Knifed enough to cut the oil. Hahaha
@@benjieco630 yep “hydrodynamics ftw
@@SRDmotorsports yes. Some little stuff others do not know..🤣
@@benjieco630 well also cuz Jasper wanted to have Edmel dynamically balance the crank so I’m like “ding! Ding! “ moment lol spent roughly total of 13hours polishing it ftw
we build same engine and block cracked two times.. waist of money .. just put stock k series and remap and have strong reliable engine for not too much money..
I see yeah…
This was built in 2016 with YCP and in 2018 we changed to 1Up pistons everything the same including block and rods
12.4:1 comp
9,700rpm rev limit
lsd?
Yes ofcourse TypeR 4.4 tranny