Price has doubled in 10 months, $150 now! I received mine today and not super impressed with the brightness, especially for $150. Don’t have a Surefire scout to compare it to but I have $50 airsoft rifle lights that are brighter.
Man I almost bought one of these because the marketing said it would be great. I do believe there are some things that cost more that give you what you pay for. I’m glad I didn’t believe rifle lights were one of them. Thank you guys for this!
@@mattself6078 they used to be worth it. But now they cost as much as a Streamlight which is better, more reliable and has a better warranty so they should be half the cost or less
It all started with purchasing a 20$ battle belt from you guys two years ago. Still rocking it and barely had even any fraying on the stitching. You guys are an absolute savior for the everyday citizen who wants to be able to train and be ready, and still be able to feed their family. All the money you guys save people on the other stuff, can help someone get that little tier upgrade in the rifle they purchase, or like you said get more mags and ammo. Y’all’s content, humor, and passion for this is awesome. My next build will be fully kitted with tacticon. Thanks for what you do. 🤙🏽
GREAT VIDEO! Only thing I would add is, 1 is none & 2 is 1! I am all for buying 2 of everything to save your life! Its not often I see others that carry 2 ternicetts on person. 1 or 2 for you or 1 & 1. 1 for you & 1 for your combat partner. Lord willing you wont need them both but what if you are shot in the arm & the leg or you both getting shot in a limb???
This video was posted close to a year ago, inflation is very real in our current economy and 150$ is still a very real discount in comparison to surefire
Honestly I agree with you guys. It’s a fucking gun light. Is it a quality flashlight? Will it take a grunts beating? If so, then it is a good light. I forget which Marine said it… but “if it’s stupid, but it works…. Then it isn’t stupid” I don’t have any of your gun lights yet. But I have 2 of your battle belts and I really really really like those.
For some people reliability and durability is of utmost importance and justifies the extra $$$. Performance and battery life isn't everything in a flashlight. The quality of the driver, led, lens, contact points (springs), housing, threads and switches makes a difference. Sure fire products are a standard because they are very reliable and durable, but even their remote switches wear out if used a lot (seen it many times). Also, there are other lights like arisaka, modlite and cloud defensive that perform better than surefire and are said to retain the same durability. There are also budget options like streamlight which are proven to be very durable and reliable. The cloud defensive rein takes it an extra step at 400$ with bombproof 3mm lens, ipx8 waterproof, massive springs, stable and powerful driver led combo pumping out 1250 lumens at 100 000 candela and the remote switch, mount, samsung 30q battery and charger is included. All these things matter if you take your gear out in the woods and expose them to the elements. The cold of northern canadian winters can render a shitty chinesium flashlight useless especially if its 18650 is also chinesium and the voltage drops. Even high quality flashlights with decent Korean or Japanese cells can run into issues with the voltage drops. The model of battery is even more important than the flashlight in my experience in extreme cold. That's why I use Molicel P26A 18650s in the winter they perform down to -40C. This is the same reason why I trust something like an aimpoint t2 or trijicon acog. I don't really see much for specs on this flashlight. With such limited information and reviews on your products it's hard to buy one of these. What's the waterproof rating? What's the operating temperature range? What model of 18650 cell is provided? What's the spot beam angle and spill angle? I doubt you can provide this info but what type of driver and led is used? Is it direct drive all the way or is the output thermally regulated?
If I was going into battle, I would rather have 1 Tacticon flashlight mounted to my weapon and 2 backups in my pack, then to rely on just 1 Surefire light.
And you looked at the one time they weren't having a 40-60% off sale? Yeah don't get me wrong kind of a sleazy way to sell stuff mark it up to mark it down but I've been on their website and seen them not having a "sale".
I saw the video title and have never heard of you guys before seeing the title. However I'd appreciate it if you updated the title to reflect the current price instead of the old one that you list in the title. A basic breakdown on the differences with candela between lights in the same category as your light would be awesome.
On my go to rifle and the backup i have Aimpoints and Streamlight. Rest all get best bang for the buck products.... This video is great bc it can allow ppl making the avg income in America of around $30-40k to be able to buy something rather than have nothing. Kinda of like the PSA motto - they aren't Daniel Defense but they will run and allow all income levels to be able to afford it - they wanna arm as many Americans as possible. If you have ton of money go buy the gucci but great to have your type of products at great prices for all the rest.
lol I swear these guys are making all the right moves. From their beginning to now, they've done nothing but consistently improve their marketing and their products. Jake and Nolan seem like great guys with practical knowledge, and yeah they gotta make a living, but they seem to want to genuinely pass on their experience to the consumer, and that alone is worth its weight in gold.
Thanks, brother, those words are very kind and brightened my day! We do just want to share what knowledge we do have and try and create the most value for the 2A as a whole. It's all to make a better community, stronger more informed people, and share some laughs along the way. -Nolan
@@TacticonArmamentcouldn’t have said it better than OP, you guys are a beacon of knowledge and resources for those that can’t afford the Gucci gear. Keep up the killer content guys 🤙
I have built several ar style rifles, and fitted them with tacticon equipment. I've only ever had one issue with an LPVO and they replaced it, no questions asked. Love tacticon products so far.
@@demarkiowilliamsthank god I checked this post cause I was about to ask the same question, I went on the site this shit was $150 I was guessing since I’m 9 months late to the party they bumped up their prices but other dude is right there’s a 40% off code on the site just sold out right now…… ima have to wait my turn 😭
I can't do Surefire , I never have been able to see the justification of spending excessive money like that. I have used Streamlight products. Next Time I need a weapons light I will surely try your product ! Thank you Jake ❤
Watching this 10 months after it’s released and doubt anyone will see this comment but I can without Tacticon I’d not be able to afford the gear I need to train, protect myself and enjoy. The fact y’all make affordable quality gear is absolutely amazing and very very much appreciated! So thank you guys and girl of Tacticon!! God bless
I'm sorry, am I missing something?? On your holster video you say your holster is $30.00, but on your site it is $50.99 (still a good price). This video says your Rifle light is $80.00.....on your site it is $149.00!! Your Armor is priced close to the expensive plates made by the BIG Name companies. What gives??
If you make one purchase from them you get a 25% discount for life on all of their products (Even if you buy a mag cheap pouch). Also their products are listed cheaper on Amazon most the time as well.
I would only spend $500 on a light saber bayonet. Until that day, I support your company. Badass video, thank you for what you guys do. Finally! I’m a new and now a life long customer. First, I need to get an AR. lol
Yea not sure what happened with that! It’s kinda like they did what every other company in history has done. Get more popular and raise prices… This video really didn’t age too well considering. Granted it’s still cheaper than SF by a mile but I’ve trusted Streamlight for a long time and for pretty much the same price now I’ll just keep to Streamlight. Kinda a of a shame really…
Nice what you guys are doing. However, you do not list your Candela rating (arguably more important than Lumen) and with the V3 listing at $149 (and out of Stock) one can pick up a Streamlight Pro Tac HL-X 1000 (27000 Candela) for less than this light and it includes the mounts as well (no 45 deg tho).
I bought y’all’s flip up iron sights from back in the day not expecting much. They felt solid, were cheaply priced, and I didn’t want to spend magnitudes more on magpul mbus sights that I’ll never use. Glad to see how much y’all have grown since then, and thanks for keeping the industry honest on what things can and should be priced at.
There is a massive difference I've had both streamlight and inforce and both broke with barely any use. These are similar to yours but please don't compare to surefire anyways I can buy a surefire g2x for 80 bucks and mount for 30 who cares about pressure pads.
You guys Rock ! And the gear is awesome I'm running a full Tacticon set up and will continue to build my cache of gear ! Thanks guys for all you're work service and bring it to the people .
Bought the V2 for the Mossberg 940 about a year ago and I find a lot of cheap lights fall apart on shotguns but yours hasn't. I have since moved it to my VHS-2 but will probably order the V3 when it comes back in stock for that and move the v2 back to the shotgun.
Guys - yes but not quite. You did not do a side by side comparison filming the performance, beam pattern, etc. Lumens is ONE of the parameters, what about candela and the others? Lights is something you could easily do, and SHOULD do, a real comparison. Could the SF be a little better? Sure, still probably not worth the extra hundreds. But how far can you illuminate with yours vs SF? What is the light pattern? Etc. On paper everything sounds great... For a bunch of other brands too! (Currently have a couple stream lights and an olight Odin, which is an absolute beast. I'll buy one yours too if you do a side by side and it's not way off from a surefire. If it's not, you'll sell more. If it's way off... Well then this video is not accurate making all these claims?)
You are right, that was a big oversight on my part in the editing room. I will for sure do better in the future on that end and thank you for bringing that to my attention. I will work on getting a side by side up soon. To add on here, part of what we are saying is, we appreciate surefire and their innovation, and if I was doing some of the gnarly stuff tier 1 boys are doing, I would want something that is absolutely bomb proof. I'm not doing that though and probably never will. Just trying to shed some light on other options and that for the majority of people spending money on training is the better option. I appreciate your comment and will take a lot of that into account for future videos! Thanks again ~ Nolan
@@mattself6078I actually doubt the performance is that drastically of a difference. I am sure there is maybe double performance and double durability but I don't think that makes his point is invalid. We are talking about 8 times the cost between the two products. Is there that much difference...I am sure there is not. This dudes products is for us dudes that don't want to pay $600 for a light.
I agree with you guys, I've had to come off the Gucci stuff a little bit. My big thing with cheap stuff is QC, but so far your stuff has been fine. I have your belts, backpack, and slings, as well as other brands. There are differences like camo resolution, reflective properties, cordura rigidity, zipper quality, Paracord type, etc. But I'm not at the point in my training where those things matter so it's preference at that point. I'll continue to buy, I support your cause. You guys are like the Palmetto State Armory for gear.
Any information on LED color temperature? Candela rating? Reflector technology? Waterproofing? Emitter potting? No Scout footprint? Theres more to lumens.
Sure wish I could find the Tacticon philosophy in training... The prices of some of these classes are crazy. I understand that the instructor spent 12 years on the teams and 20 years operating operationally in the sandbox, but I'm not making that kind of money. How much is my life worth, you might ask. According to my wife, $1000 is a bit steep.
That's The correct way of thinking especially having kids and a family that you still have to be able to justify what it is that you are spending your money on. 💯% correct!!!
when looking for an optic, tacticon was kind of my only option. I’m a little broke and spending $500 on an optic for my $600 rifle was not something I wanted to do. So I got one of their optics for around $140-$150 I believe and it’s absolutely amazing! I may not beat my rifle up too hard but I’m going on a camping trip here soon where I’m going to be putting in some training with my rifle and I gotta say I’m glad to have a tacticon optic and I think it’ll serve me we’ll be it day or night
I have some pretty high end options that are nice however I also am a customer of a few tacticon products and have yet to be disappointed, I just ordered a v3 and will be testing it. Thanks keep up the good work guys!
I’ve ran Olight for 3 years now with no problems very reasonable price and very innovative design in my honest opinion it’s the best light out there for the money. I would like to try your light but with the price going up to 150 it’s hard to justify not getting another Olight that’s cheaper and already proven it reliable for me.
I’m gonna be completely honest, I appreciate what you guys are trying to do by trying to bring out decent equipment for a decent price, but I have to ask the simple question, which is where are your lights made, because I can almost guarantee you that they are made in the same Chinese factory that I bought my replica surefire that I use on my Airsoft rifle, which ain’t a bad thing necessarily, but trying to market it at the same level as a surefire is just being disingenuous, now don’t get me wrong, I might buy one to only use on my Airsoft rifle because I think it would be great for that, but if I’m going to buy a rifle light, I’m more likely going to go for the Streamlight Protac than your product, but again, not saying any of this to be an ass, but simply saying it as my opinion based on my observations.
Not 100% on Surefire Weapon mounted lights longevity while mounted on weapons through combat, but I beat the crap out of them at work Commercial Refrigeration and HVAC. Time after time they keep running. Have Surefires that are 15yrs old that still function correctly. They've been through prolonged -40 Freezers, 115F spaces, dropped from 2 stories yada yada. Only thing I replace on them are batteries, seals and tail caps when they bust. If my life depended on my torch functioning when the time comes, it's Surefire all the way. I'd love to watch an extensive torture test on the lights alone and then on their accessories.
Excellent point of view. I’m definitely guilty of being an sig fan boy (bought the spear lt sbr) and it rocks, but this has for sure opened my eyes on a lot of the accessories out there. Had no idea the difference in pricing. I can honestly say I’ll be buying a tacticon red dot for my pistol(yeah it’s an sig p320). I figure in a pinch I can throw it on the ground while surrounded and make a grenade out of it.
If you watch for sales you can grab up the HRT AWLS, "both compact & full size" for right at 200-250 bucks. 1700 lumens & 90,000 candella which is insane.
Really appreciate the perspective and knowledge here, this video actually helped me do exactly as Nolan said, “buy our light and get yourself a set of armor”, I haven’t bought the light yet as I’ve not got all the parts for my initial rifle yet(lower parts kit, grip, and trigger) but I did indeed buy the lvl 4 taspiv bundle on the site and knocked a solid $550 off my initial build list for aforementioned rifle :)
Well, I 100% agree with what you said. I got a lot of your stuff. Quality gear. But unfortunately, I already bought a Streamlight. Probably on my next rifle or whatever. Looking forward to seeing your upcoming products. Keep fighting the good fight
I'm a noob to this hobby, glad I started with Tacticon! Amazing value! Can you guys explain the reticle on the Apex Falcon? I have no idea what all those numbers and lines mean...
That's one thing about SureFire, I can throw it, drop it, run it over and it still work. my shit gets banged and beat around like tools should. I have SureFire lights that have been through hell and back over the last 15-16 years. I would love to have a product that would be as durable but at a more affordable price so I may have to give 1 of these things a try and see if it'll stand up over time
So something I would love to see from you guys is a good quality budget friendly ir laser and Illuminator one that holds zero and the tape switch isn’t a failure point or garbage like most other units have
To answer your question as to why I generally run Surefire products is simply the aftermarket support. If all you’re looking for is a light, and there’s no problem with that, then just duct tape a fuckin mag light to the side of the rail on your 16” rifle and call it a day. You can get that whole setup for around $50 at Home Depot. If, on the other hand, you’re running anything IR or short barreled for the reasons one would run short barreled IR things, then you’re probably going to need something other than just a white light, and a way to attach and turn all that shit on when you need to. If you’re doing it on a SBR, well then real estate is already severely limited, and the standard long ass pressure pad Surefire, and you guys, are offering just ain’t gonna cut it most likely, and so you’re going to have to use something like maybe a Unity TAPS or something. The other reason is going to be familiarity with the systems. This could be across a couple of different rifles/PCC’s, or within your group. We standardized on things for the same reason armies and law enforcement does. Familiarity. I can pickup anyone’s rifles and be already largely familiar with the placement and functionality of it. Is any of that necessary? Probably not, but it’s the conclusions we came to based on our own combat experience and training.
Wow, saw this right as it came out! I love that point amount diminishing returns! I am getting into airsoft and I have loved your brands quality, at a price that I (I being an 18 year old college student who only works 2 day a week) can stomach. I can't stomach paying the crazy prices for Gucci brand gear just for airsoft, but your quality compared to other airsoft gear brands is so much better! Also I have a product recommendation! This should be right up your alley. You should make something similar to an EssTac KYWI. I feel like the price on those things is exorbitant for what it is, it is an excellent product but far too expensive. Thanks Jake!
My olight odin is border line WAYYY TOO BRIGHT for indoor use but will in fact light up your house brighter than all lights on in your home accompanied by a truck outside with high beams on & a light bar!!! I just wish it had a strobe option to distract while I sneak around & shoot from another position!
Brutally honest and 100% integrity I’ve been using your merch since 2020 my battle vest and belt are still in great standing good job guys your work/service to “we the people” is appreciated
I immediately went to your guys website after your comparison and not to mention I love that you guys say it’s “built for abuse and will tackle heavy recoil, wet environments, extreme temperatures and blunt force impacts with ease.” Most websites just say durable but you answer the right questions. I just bought a light and all the fixins’ for $125, I’m totally stoked about getting this soon, and I’ve already recommended to some friends looking for an affordable rifle light. Thanks for keeping the average civilian armed and ready!
LOVE Tacticon! Can't say enough positives about this Vet Owned Company and luckily found them. High quality products that us peasants can AFFORD!! THANK YOU, Jacob! Keep up the great work.
For 620$? let's see 🤔 My 5.56 AR + my 5x prism + gn light + 4 mags + qd sling + foregrip. ( All of which were on sale ) so basically my whole setup...excluding my Sig Romeo7s/ Juliet5 red dot/mag combo(also 50% off) still almkst as much as my gun tho😮💨 Didn't know about Tacticon when I bought that 😂. You make great stuff at reasonable prices. You literally can't beat it.
My area has ponds, creeks, bays, ocean. Water is everywhere. If your light can't be submerged, it's not going to work. The humidity alone will kill optics and lights down here.
Not gonna lie y’all are some good salesmen! It’s also nice to know y’all (as well as myself) are in the swamp that is California. I will definitely be making some purchases soon!
Heck I bought a complete kit from Jenn at LTD year ago rated LV4 for maybe 40 buck more. And plus I've bought alot more since from her company as well from yall. And to note everything I've gotten from her since yall have a great relationship between yalls company and also everything I've gotten from yall has held up better then the other guy's products. For the last year a big group of us patrol the south texas border along with the officers..leaving it at that.. and we go thru thick mesquite tree's and other thorny bushes. Between everything I have of your brand not a damn thing has failed or even came under stitched compared to a few guy's that bought into the got to have this brand thats 100 times more expensive and it's junk,falling apart, seems coming undone..ect.. so yeah I can vouch for yalls stuff 100 percent it holds up to the miles of abuse and training I do without any issues. Best part is I'm setting nice with extra money in pockets from not buying into the whole got to have brand BS while I hear the buddies complain having to 2nd mortgage a house to AKA Keepin Up With The Jones as they say. Thankfull for yall and Jenn at LTD helping us non rich people have a fighting chance keepin us safe without breaking the bank.
I appreciate y'alls balls to the wall take on the 2nd as that's what's needed to keep ground in todays fray of politics. However, there is some importance in lights outside of lumens. Drop safety, water protection, and CANDELA are massive in the middle classed mans work rifle. I get not everyone has the money to blow on gucci gear. But even when I wasn't fairing so well i nutted up the funds for a light that out bests even the Surefire's, including their new turbo line. My rifle light offers 1250 Lumens with over 100k candela for 95 min straight. My darked out barely legal tint on my car can be cut through by my light at 30 yards still. Which is impressive. Glossing over how important PID is, since we all know by now, indoors it's not too much either since I have enough spill to get information without blinding myself. The hot spot is sized just enough for me to beat photonic barriers (like other weapon lights) and maintain focus on whomever I'm aiming at. My Rein 3.0 is a lightsaber for average use and I don't regret it for a second. The throw on it can help ID at 200 unmistakably if I recall. Even Modlight's had trouble illuminating that. It's up there but not entirely unreasonable in price either. Surefire's still cost more themselves with all the bells and whistles. But y'all already have a better stake than Olight so you're pushing a good market nonetheless.
Thank you for the well thought out and respectful post. Not often you get these type of responses these days. I read every word and I can agree wholeheartedly with most of it. You have some very good points in there including candela... We've done rigorous drop tests as well as water testing with these lights and they hold up right alongside the sure fire. I do appreciate your educated response and uninformed venom which seems to be the status quo these days. Appreciate you my friend
tbf, the scout light pro comes with a fully adjustable mount. it swivels to whatever degree you want. i still wish i bought yalls instead of a scout lite.
I worked with companies that produced light and IR cameras for the government. Your getting scammed on led lights.......period. the 1000 lights cost max 5$ to produce. The gun co. Gucci stuff is absolutely tarded
So I have a gen1 and gen2 of youth ear belts. I send you all an email about the gen1 starting to unthread with minimal use. So far the gen2 is holding up better and even having to rearrange the furniture on it. It has not started to unthread. So it looks like you listen to your customers and fix the problems they find to. If I was in the market for a new light I’d give yours a shot. But for now I’m a Steam Light fan.
Ok? Have you looked up the price of IR Diodes because they are not expensive unless you are aiming for literally what is used security cameras that have a range of over 100 yards focused and then 300 yards over unfocused. Practical situations never are going to call for that and when used up-close it will blind you. BrassFracts and Hop run tests on this subject heavily resulting him both running The D-BALL D2 IR unit because it won't blind you. Also SureFire Scoutlight they used is not IR, the SureFire Vampire V3/V6 are the IR unites, which again are so bright in IR mode they will blind you when used.
Price has doubled in 10 months, $150 now! I received mine today and not super impressed with the brightness, especially for $150. Don’t have a Surefire scout to compare it to but I have $50 airsoft rifle lights that are brighter.
Yea at $150 that's a no go. $80 awesome, all day. At 150 there's far better options
I'm happy with Olight.
Love my Olights, I just wish they had a better tailcap to utilize a more standard pressure pad
Literally raised the price on this product too. $80 - $150.
Well, this video is almost a year old. Prices can change, my friend.
@@WholeSomeHomiestreamlights are time tested and can be got for 100 sometimes less with sales I wouldn’t waste money or time on this one
Surefire g2x is only 80 a mount is 30.
@@WholeSomeHomie double the price in 11 months is crazy.
@@mbecker163 not after 2020
Man I almost bought one of these because the marketing said it would be great. I do believe there are some things that cost more that give you what you pay for. I’m glad I didn’t believe rifle lights were one of them. Thank you guys for this!
80 bucks? this video was 10 months ago. Now your product is 150... can you explain the 100% increase?
Love these guys. Taught me a lot humility.
It's amazing how many people do flashlight reviews and comparisons and don't do the only thing that really matters and SHOW THE LIGHT IN THE DARK
That's because they know their light is trash next to a surefire.
@@mattself6078 they used to be worth it. But now they cost as much as a Streamlight which is better, more reliable and has a better warranty so they should be half the cost or less
@@mattself6078probably not though
I'll try one of these next time I'm in the market for one. Just bought an Arisaka so it'll be compared to it
It's $150 on your website, not $80 and I'm making this post only 11 months after this being posted.
Prices for everything they make has basically doubled in the last year
It all started with purchasing a 20$ battle belt from you guys two years ago. Still rocking it and barely had even any fraying on the stitching. You guys are an absolute savior for the everyday citizen who wants to be able to train and be ready, and still be able to feed their family. All the money you guys save people on the other stuff, can help someone get that little tier upgrade in the rifle they purchase, or like you said get more mags and ammo. Y’all’s content, humor, and passion for this is awesome. My next build will be fully kitted with tacticon. Thanks for what you do. 🤙🏽
Thank you I Totally agree, I just purchased a V3.
GREAT VIDEO!
Only thing I would add is, 1 is none & 2 is 1! I am all for buying 2 of everything to save your life!
Its not often I see others that carry 2 ternicetts on person. 1 or 2 for you or 1 & 1.
1 for you & 1 for your combat partner. Lord willing you wont need them both but what if you are shot in the arm & the leg or you both getting shot in a limb???
Just went to your website the battle light is 150 bucks not 80
This video was posted close to a year ago, inflation is very real in our current economy and 150$ is still a very real discount in comparison to surefire
We have 40% and 50% off sales pretty consistently so it's actually right about at that price.
Night vision
At this rate I'm not going to be surprised if I see Tacticon NVGs popping up on my feed and texts.
Get out of my head.
Yes please
Honestly I agree with you guys. It’s a fucking gun light.
Is it a quality flashlight? Will it take a grunts beating? If so, then it is a good light.
I forget which Marine said it… but “if it’s stupid, but it works…. Then it isn’t stupid”
I don’t have any of your gun lights yet. But I have 2 of your battle belts and I really really really like those.
For some people reliability and durability is of utmost importance and justifies the extra $$$. Performance and battery life isn't everything in a flashlight. The quality of the driver, led, lens, contact points (springs), housing, threads and switches makes a difference. Sure fire products are a standard because they are very reliable and durable, but even their remote switches wear out if used a lot (seen it many times). Also, there are other lights like arisaka, modlite and cloud defensive that perform better than surefire and are said to retain the same durability. There are also budget options like streamlight which are proven to be very durable and reliable. The cloud defensive rein takes it an extra step at 400$ with bombproof 3mm lens, ipx8 waterproof, massive springs, stable and powerful driver led combo pumping out 1250 lumens at 100 000 candela and the remote switch, mount, samsung 30q battery and charger is included. All these things matter if you take your gear out in the woods and expose them to the elements. The cold of northern canadian winters can render a shitty chinesium flashlight useless especially if its 18650 is also chinesium and the voltage drops. Even high quality flashlights with decent Korean or Japanese cells can run into issues with the voltage drops. The model of battery is even more important than the flashlight in my experience in extreme cold. That's why I use Molicel P26A 18650s in the winter they perform down to -40C. This is the same reason why I trust something like an aimpoint t2 or trijicon acog. I don't really see much for specs on this flashlight. With such limited information and reviews on your products it's hard to buy one of these.
What's the waterproof rating?
What's the operating temperature range?
What model of 18650 cell is provided?
What's the spot beam angle and spill angle?
I doubt you can provide this info but what type of driver and led is used? Is it direct drive all the way or is the output thermally regulated?
If I was going into battle, I would rather have 1 Tacticon flashlight mounted to my weapon and 2 backups in my pack, then to rely on just 1 Surefire light.
Up to 150 now. Inflation I guess.
And you looked at the one time they weren't having a 40-60% off sale? Yeah don't get me wrong kind of a sleazy way to sell stuff mark it up to mark it down but I've been on their website and seen them not having a "sale".
I saw the video title and have never heard of you guys before seeing the title. However I'd appreciate it if you updated the title to reflect the current price instead of the old one that you list in the title.
A basic breakdown on the differences with candela between lights in the same category as your light would be awesome.
On my go to rifle and the backup i have Aimpoints and Streamlight. Rest all get best bang for the buck products.... This video is great bc it can allow ppl making the avg income in America of around $30-40k to be able to buy something rather than have nothing. Kinda of like the PSA motto - they aren't Daniel Defense but they will run and allow all income levels to be able to afford it - they wanna arm as many Americans as possible. If you have ton of money go buy the gucci but great to have your type of products at great prices for all the rest.
Exactly. Get armed, become the warrior in the garden.
Hmm. I see it's $149 on the website now. It still seems like a great value, but that's a large jump in price in 10 months
lol I swear these guys are making all the right moves.
From their beginning to now, they've done nothing but consistently improve their marketing and their products.
Jake and Nolan seem like great guys with practical knowledge, and yeah they gotta make a living, but they seem to want to genuinely pass on their experience to the consumer, and that alone is worth its weight in gold.
Thanks, brother, those words are very kind and brightened my day! We do just want to share what knowledge we do have and try and create the most value for the 2A as a whole. It's all to make a better community, stronger more informed people, and share some laughs along the way. -Nolan
@@TacticonArmamentcouldn’t have said it better than OP, you guys are a beacon of knowledge and resources for those that can’t afford the Gucci gear. Keep up the killer content guys 🤙
i'm confused by nolans eyebrows. does homeschooling remove your eyebrows?
@@TacticonArmament Well, at least it was true back then. It's overpriced now
I have built several ar style rifles, and fitted them with tacticon equipment. I've only ever had one issue with an LPVO and they replaced it, no questions asked. Love tacticon products so far.
I appreciate you guys putting out quality gear for regular people.
We appreciate you!
@@TacticonArmament where is everyone finding it for $80? I just tried to purchase and it's between $120-150
@@demarkiowilliams they usually have coupon codes for 40% off.
@@demarkiowilliamsthey don’t make anything. They buy them off alibaba and claim usa made
@@demarkiowilliamsthank god I checked this post cause I was about to ask the same question, I went on the site this shit was $150 I was guessing since I’m 9 months late to the party they bumped up their prices but other dude is right there’s a 40% off code on the site just sold out right now…… ima have to wait my turn 😭
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU FOR SEEING THE ABSURDITY OF COSTS FOR NECESSARY PARTS. I'm buying one of these. Or more
I appreciate the honest, funny, idgaf informative videos you guys put out! Keep offering the awesome products you do!
Duct tape a harbor freight flashlight to your hand guard, and guess what will happen? It'll pretty much work the way you need it to.
I can't do Surefire , I never have been able to see the justification of spending excessive money like that. I have used Streamlight products. Next Time I need a weapons light I will surely try your product ! Thank you Jake ❤
Watching this 10 months after it’s released and doubt anyone will see this comment but I can without Tacticon I’d not be able to afford the gear I need to train, protect myself and enjoy. The fact y’all make affordable quality gear is absolutely amazing and very very much appreciated! So thank you guys and girl of Tacticon!! God bless
Just because you can afford it, doesn't mean you have to lie to yourself and others about it being quality.
So the price doubled in a year. Interesting.
I'm sorry, am I missing something?? On your holster video you say your holster is $30.00, but on your site it is $50.99 (still a good price). This video says your Rifle light is $80.00.....on your site it is $149.00!! Your Armor is priced close to the expensive plates made by the BIG Name companies. What gives??
If you make one purchase from them you get a 25% discount for life on all of their products (Even if you buy a mag cheap pouch). Also their products are listed cheaper on Amazon most the time as well.
Its re branded Chinese clone stuff, save yourself time and money go look at Sotac
I would only spend $500 on a light saber bayonet. Until that day, I support your company. Badass video, thank you for what you guys do. Finally! I’m a new and now a life long customer. First, I need to get an AR. lol
Battletorch V3 is now almost $160, just 10 months later.
Yea not sure what happened with that! It’s kinda like they did what every other company in history has done. Get more popular and raise prices… This video really didn’t age too well considering. Granted it’s still cheaper than SF by a mile but I’ve trusted Streamlight for a long time and for pretty much the same price now I’ll just keep to Streamlight. Kinda a of a shame really…
Nice what you guys are doing. However, you do not list your Candela rating (arguably more important than Lumen) and with the V3 listing at $149 (and out of Stock) one can pick up a Streamlight Pro Tac HL-X 1000 (27000 Candela) for less than this light and it includes the mounts as well (no 45 deg tho).
get a valhalla head on a weltool body instead
I concur. Lumen won't tell you range
Yeah 'Sold Out' on website and similar price to Streamlight. Disappointed I didn't get one for 80$ but I'm late to the Tacticon party...
Yeah, went to look them up after seeing the video and they're listed for about 2x the price quoted here
@@norrisjc713 Well, this video is almost a year old. Prices can change, my friend.
I bought y’all’s flip up iron sights from back in the day not expecting much. They felt solid, were cheaply priced, and I didn’t want to spend magnitudes more on magpul mbus sights that I’ll never use. Glad to see how much y’all have grown since then, and thanks for keeping the industry honest on what things can and should be priced at.
buying one, i was so conflicted on buying a light. i just couldn’t believe cloud or sure fire are so damn expensive. thanks for the video Gentlemen.
Just found you guys but why the price increase on the flashlight?? Was going to pick one up and noticed a pretty good price increase. Just curious....
There is a massive difference I've had both streamlight and inforce and both broke with barely any use. These are similar to yours but please don't compare to surefire anyways I can buy a surefire g2x for 80 bucks and mount for 30 who cares about pressure pads.
You guys Rock ! And the gear is awesome I'm running a full Tacticon set up and will continue to build my cache of gear ! Thanks guys for all you're work service and bring it to the people .
Our pleasure!
Bought the V2 for the Mossberg 940 about a year ago and I find a lot of cheap lights fall apart on shotguns but yours hasn't. I have since moved it to my VHS-2 but will probably order the V3 when it comes back in stock for that and move the v2 back to the shotgun.
Guys - yes but not quite. You did not do a side by side comparison filming the performance, beam pattern, etc. Lumens is ONE of the parameters, what about candela and the others? Lights is something you could easily do, and SHOULD do, a real comparison. Could the SF be a little better? Sure, still probably not worth the extra hundreds. But how far can you illuminate with yours vs SF? What is the light pattern? Etc. On paper everything sounds great... For a bunch of other brands too! (Currently have a couple stream lights and an olight Odin, which is an absolute beast. I'll buy one yours too if you do a side by side and it's not way off from a surefire. If it's not, you'll sell more. If it's way off... Well then this video is not accurate making all these claims?)
You are right, that was a big oversight on my part in the editing room. I will for sure do better in the future on that end and thank you for bringing that to my attention. I will work on getting a side by side up soon. To add on here, part of what we are saying is, we appreciate surefire and their innovation, and if I was doing some of the gnarly stuff tier 1 boys are doing, I would want something that is absolutely bomb proof. I'm not doing that though and probably never will. Just trying to shed some light on other options and that for the majority of people spending money on training is the better option. I appreciate your comment and will take a lot of that into account for future videos! Thanks again ~ Nolan
Was it an "oversight" or on purpose to avoid showing the massive difference in the performances of the lights?
@@mattself6078I actually doubt the performance is that drastically of a difference. I am sure there is maybe double performance and double durability but I don't think that makes his point is invalid. We are talking about 8 times the cost between the two products. Is there that much difference...I am sure there is not. This dudes products is for us dudes that don't want to pay $600 for a light.
I hear you. I have a LED Lenser. Like 40 bucks. Thousands of rounds zero issues.
I agree with you guys, I've had to come off the Gucci stuff a little bit. My big thing with cheap stuff is QC, but so far your stuff has been fine. I have your belts, backpack, and slings, as well as other brands. There are differences like camo resolution, reflective properties, cordura rigidity, zipper quality, Paracord type, etc. But I'm not at the point in my training where those things matter so it's preference at that point. I'll continue to buy, I support your cause. You guys are like the Palmetto State Armory for gear.
Any information on LED color temperature? Candela rating? Reflector technology? Waterproofing? Emitter potting? No Scout footprint?
Theres more to lumens.
Sure wish I could find the Tacticon philosophy in training... The prices of some of these classes are crazy. I understand that the instructor spent 12 years on the teams and 20 years operating operationally in the sandbox, but I'm not making that kind of money. How much is my life worth, you might ask. According to my wife, $1000 is a bit steep.
That's The correct way of thinking especially having kids and a family that you still have to be able to justify what it is that you are spending your money on. 💯% correct!!!
when looking for an optic, tacticon was kind of my only option. I’m a little broke and spending $500 on an optic for my $600 rifle was not something I wanted to do. So I got one of their optics for around $140-$150 I believe and it’s absolutely amazing! I may not beat my rifle up too hard but I’m going on a camping trip here soon where I’m going to be putting in some training with my rifle and I gotta say I’m glad to have a tacticon optic and I think it’ll serve me we’ll be it day or night
Subbed. THAT comparison vid WAS awesooooooome. Made PERFECT sense…
I have some pretty high end options that are nice however I also am a customer of a few tacticon products and have yet to be disappointed, I just ordered a v3 and will be testing it. Thanks keep up the good work guys!
We will Tristen! Thanks a lot for the continued support
Whats the 4 month review look like?
How about an 8 month? Foreal wanna know now
10 month whats going on?
I’ve ran Olight for 3 years now with no problems very reasonable price and very innovative design in my honest opinion it’s the best light out there for the money. I would like to try your light but with the price going up to 150 it’s hard to justify not getting another Olight that’s cheaper and already proven it reliable for me.
I’m gonna be completely honest, I appreciate what you guys are trying to do by trying to bring out decent equipment for a decent price, but I have to ask the simple question, which is where are your lights made, because I can almost guarantee you that they are made in the same Chinese factory that I bought my replica surefire that I use on my Airsoft rifle, which ain’t a bad thing necessarily, but trying to market it at the same level as a surefire is just being disingenuous, now don’t get me wrong, I might buy one to only use on my Airsoft rifle because I think it would be great for that, but if I’m going to buy a rifle light, I’m more likely going to go for the Streamlight Protac than your product, but again, not saying any of this to be an ass, but simply saying it as my opinion based on my observations.
I own 2 tacticon wml I like them haven't really abused them but it's bright and works every time I need it
As a veteran myself, I really appreciate what you and your company do in support of the Second Amendment.
Great video thank you guys for the content.
Got my V3 a couple weeks ago and am damn happy with it. Just like everything else I’ve bought from you guys
Not 100% on Surefire Weapon mounted lights longevity while mounted on weapons through combat, but I beat the crap out of them at work Commercial Refrigeration and HVAC. Time after time they keep running. Have Surefires that are 15yrs old that still function correctly. They've been through prolonged -40 Freezers, 115F spaces, dropped from 2 stories yada yada. Only thing I replace on them are batteries, seals and tail caps when they bust. If my life depended on my torch functioning when the time comes, it's Surefire all the way.
I'd love to watch an extensive torture test on the lights alone and then on their accessories.
Excellent point of view. I’m definitely guilty of being an sig fan boy (bought the spear lt sbr) and it rocks, but this has for sure opened my eyes on a lot of the accessories out there. Had no idea the difference in pricing. I can honestly say I’ll be buying a tacticon red dot for my pistol(yeah it’s an sig p320). I figure in a pinch I can throw it on the ground while surrounded and make a grenade out of it.
Ya a grenade that will fire a round of 9mmwhen it hits the ground
If you watch for sales you can grab up the HRT AWLS, "both compact & full size" for right at 200-250 bucks. 1700 lumens & 90,000 candella which is insane.
Really appreciate the perspective and knowledge here, this video actually helped me do exactly as Nolan said, “buy our light and get yourself a set of armor”, I haven’t bought the light yet as I’ve not got all the parts for my initial rifle yet(lower parts kit, grip, and trigger) but I did indeed buy the lvl 4 taspiv bundle on the site and knocked a solid $550 off my initial build list for aforementioned rifle :)
Regular dudes , i appreciate y’all
Well, I 100% agree with what you said. I got a lot of your stuff. Quality gear. But unfortunately, I already bought a Streamlight. Probably on my next rifle or whatever. Looking forward to seeing your upcoming products. Keep fighting the good fight
I totally agree with both of you.
I'm a noob to this hobby, glad I started with Tacticon! Amazing value! Can you guys explain the reticle on the Apex Falcon? I have no idea what all those numbers and lines mean...
That's one thing about SureFire, I can throw it, drop it, run it over and it still work. my shit gets banged and beat around like tools should. I have SureFire lights that have been through hell and back over the last 15-16 years. I would love to have a product that would be as durable but at a more affordable price so I may have to give 1 of these things a try and see if it'll stand up over time
So something I would love to see from you guys is a good quality budget friendly ir laser and Illuminator one that holds zero and the tape switch isn’t a failure point or garbage like most other units have
Oooooh this
To answer your question as to why I generally run Surefire products is simply the aftermarket support. If all you’re looking for is a light, and there’s no problem with that, then just duct tape a fuckin mag light to the side of the rail on your 16” rifle and call it a day. You can get that whole setup for around $50 at Home Depot.
If, on the other hand, you’re running anything IR or short barreled for the reasons one would run short barreled IR things, then you’re probably going to need something other than just a white light, and a way to attach and turn all that shit on when you need to. If you’re doing it on a SBR, well then real estate is already severely limited, and the standard long ass pressure pad Surefire, and you guys, are offering just ain’t gonna cut it most likely, and so you’re going to have to use something like maybe a Unity TAPS or something.
The other reason is going to be familiarity with the systems. This could be across a couple of different rifles/PCC’s, or within your group. We standardized on things for the same reason armies and law enforcement does. Familiarity. I can pickup anyone’s rifles and be already largely familiar with the placement and functionality of it. Is any of that necessary? Probably not, but it’s the conclusions we came to based on our own combat experience and training.
Wow, saw this right as it came out! I love that point amount diminishing returns! I am getting into airsoft and I have loved your brands quality, at a price that I (I being an 18 year old college student who only works 2 day a week) can stomach. I can't stomach paying the crazy prices for Gucci brand gear just for airsoft, but your quality compared to other airsoft gear brands is so much better! Also I have a product recommendation! This should be right up your alley. You should make something similar to an EssTac KYWI. I feel like the price on those things is exorbitant for what it is, it is an excellent product but far too expensive. Thanks Jake!
Kywis are like $50 or less lol you’re cracked
My olight odin is border line WAYYY TOO BRIGHT for indoor use but will in fact light up your house brighter than all lights on in your home accompanied by a truck outside with high beams on & a light bar!!! I just wish it had a strobe option to distract while I sneak around & shoot from another position!
Brutally honest and 100% integrity I’ve been using your merch since 2020 my battle vest and belt are still in great standing good job guys your work/service to “we the people” is appreciated
Man I love reading stuff like this. Thank you so much
I immediately went to your guys website after your comparison and not to mention I love that you guys say it’s “built for abuse and will tackle heavy recoil, wet environments, extreme temperatures and blunt force impacts with ease.”
Most websites just say durable but you answer the right questions. I just bought a light and all the fixins’ for $125, I’m totally stoked about getting this soon, and I’ve already recommended to some friends looking for an affordable rifle light. Thanks for keeping the average civilian armed and ready!
LOVE Tacticon! Can't say enough positives about this Vet Owned Company and luckily found them. High quality products that us peasants can AFFORD!! THANK YOU, Jacob! Keep up the great work.
Just ordered a V3. I like the angle. Let's see how it runs. I like a C or D option when A and B have gotten a bit lazy and overpriced.
No disrespect to these guys but if your looking for a quality budget rifle light just get a streamlight
Werkz holsters did a great comparison, ua-cam.com/video/msGcg4EdjB0/v-deo.htmlsi=1ljIbAoKTiABWptJ
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Yes they did.
For 620$? let's see 🤔 My 5.56 AR + my 5x prism + gn light + 4 mags + qd sling + foregrip. ( All of which were on sale ) so basically my whole setup...excluding my Sig Romeo7s/ Juliet5 red dot/mag combo(also 50% off) still almkst as much as my gun tho😮💨
Didn't know about Tacticon when I bought that 😂.
You make great stuff at reasonable prices. You literally can't beat it.
My area has ponds, creeks, bays, ocean. Water is everywhere. If your light can't be submerged, it's not going to work. The humidity alone will kill optics and lights down here.
Not gonna lie y’all are some good salesmen! It’s also nice to know y’all (as well as myself) are in the swamp that is California. I will definitely be making some purchases soon!
Heck I bought a complete kit from Jenn at LTD year ago rated LV4 for maybe 40 buck more. And plus I've bought alot more since from her company as well from yall. And to note everything I've gotten from her since yall have a great relationship between yalls company and also everything I've gotten from yall has held up better then the other guy's products. For the last year a big group of us patrol the south texas border along with the officers..leaving it at that.. and we go thru thick mesquite tree's and other thorny bushes. Between everything I have of your brand not a damn thing has failed or even came under stitched compared to a few guy's that bought into the got to have this brand thats 100 times more expensive and it's junk,falling apart, seems coming undone..ect.. so yeah I can vouch for yalls stuff 100 percent it holds up to the miles of abuse and training I do without any issues. Best part is I'm setting nice with extra money in pockets from not buying into the whole got to have brand BS while I hear the buddies complain having to 2nd mortgage a house to AKA Keepin Up With The Jones as they say. Thankfull for yall and Jenn at LTD helping us non rich people have a fighting chance keepin us safe without breaking the bank.
Thank you guys!!! Family a team that doesn't want to rip off their customers.
I appreciate y'alls balls to the wall take on the 2nd as that's what's needed to keep ground in todays fray of politics. However, there is some importance in lights outside of lumens. Drop safety, water protection, and CANDELA are massive in the middle classed mans work rifle. I get not everyone has the money to blow on gucci gear. But even when I wasn't fairing so well i nutted up the funds for a light that out bests even the Surefire's, including their new turbo line. My rifle light offers 1250 Lumens with over 100k candela for 95 min straight. My darked out barely legal tint on my car can be cut through by my light at 30 yards still. Which is impressive. Glossing over how important PID is, since we all know by now, indoors it's not too much either since I have enough spill to get information without blinding myself. The hot spot is sized just enough for me to beat photonic barriers (like other weapon lights) and maintain focus on whomever I'm aiming at. My Rein 3.0 is a lightsaber for average use and I don't regret it for a second. The throw on it can help ID at 200 unmistakably if I recall. Even Modlight's had trouble illuminating that. It's up there but not entirely unreasonable in price either. Surefire's still cost more themselves with all the bells and whistles.
But y'all already have a better stake than Olight so you're pushing a good market nonetheless.
Thank you for the well thought out and respectful post. Not often you get these type of responses these days. I read every word and I can agree wholeheartedly with most of it. You have some very good points in there including candela... We've done rigorous drop tests as well as water testing with these lights and they hold up right alongside the sure fire. I do appreciate your educated response and uninformed venom which seems to be the status quo these days. Appreciate you my friend
Wow now it's 149 dollars when it was 80 the time of this video
The V3 is unatainable and the price shows 149 not 80 bucks.
I've got Streamlight and Inforce on all my rifles already but will def check into this if I do another build
Never thought I would be taking tactical advice from handsome squidward
*$149.00 per unit. Not $80.00. Still, may give one a try. Would like to see the light/throw/beam comparison.
tbf, the scout light pro comes with a fully adjustable mount. it swivels to whatever degree you want. i still wish i bought yalls instead of a scout lite.
Products for the average joe, i luv it, thanks guys
It's not 80$
I’m a surefire buyer. Yes obviously the name gives you some comfort with it but the real reason is how much throw the light has. 100k candela is nice.
I have 2 battle torches, love them and great video.
I just got the cloud defensive rein 2.0 blem for 300$ and it works great.
I'm happy you like it!
I have bought 2 sets of iron sights from you guys and will get the v3 light soon.
I worked with companies that produced light and IR cameras for the government.
Your getting scammed on led lights.......period. the 1000 lights cost max 5$ to produce. The gun co. Gucci stuff is absolutely tarded
I appreciate it good sirs
Just bought one and I'm loving it it's literally surefire without the brand
So I have a gen1 and gen2 of youth ear belts. I send you all an email about the gen1 starting to unthread with minimal use. So far the gen2 is holding up better and even having to rearrange the furniture on it. It has not started to unthread. So it looks like you listen to your customers and fix the problems they find to. If I was in the market for a new light I’d give yours a shot. But for now I’m a Steam Light fan.
Not a fair comparison. The 600$ unit has ir capabilities
Ok? Have you looked up the price of IR Diodes because they are not expensive unless you are aiming for literally what is used security cameras that have a range of over 100 yards focused and then 300 yards over unfocused. Practical situations never are going to call for that and when used up-close it will blind you. BrassFracts and Hop run tests on this subject heavily resulting him both running The D-BALL D2 IR unit because it won't blind you.
Also SureFire Scoutlight they used is not IR, the SureFire Vampire V3/V6 are the IR unites, which again are so bright in IR mode they will blind you when used.
Definitely not spend that "extra" money..... Could get more literal bang for the buck! ❤️ Great video! 😊
You guys are the best!