You are one of my favorite creators on youtube. Been watching for years and the way you do these vids, the details you bring up, the jokes you make... just superb.. Thank you.
Hey Dude, if we're all looking for the Long John Silver in Skeleton Crew, what about Nick Frost's pirate droid? The real Long John was a captain pretending to be crew. Jude Law is set up as the one with the agenda, but what was that droid doing on At Attin in the first place?
Foreshadowing: the only plot point of the houshold droid in rich girl's house was to point out droids can be manipulated into lying, which we also saw Andor do to his adopted mom's droid. The timing of that household droid showing up in Skeleton Crew, just before Nick Frost's pirate droid shows up, sure looks like the writers wanted that point about droids lying to be underscored when the kids reactivated the pirate droid. Imho. I think believing a word out of that pirate droid's mouth is very suspect, maybe try analyzing the problem assuming the droid is lying about everything. We had a psychopath droid in Rebels, can't imagine the warrior/protocol droid on a pirate ship is any less warped from it's original programing🤔
It's not imperial sentiment...it's the Dolphins! He hasn't mentioned them in a LONG time. I am convinced that they are working behind the scenes...humanity may be in jeopardy!
He fell in love with a Mirialian, and they left the Republic after they attacked them for being non alligned in the Clone Wars. Barriss responded with terrorism for the Republic bringing peace to their planet...
In Legends, the A-wing with the Fijisi wood paneling was piloted by former Imperial TIE fighter pilot turned Rogue Squadron pilot Tycho Celchu, He has been attributed to being the pilot of the A-wing that flew into the second death Star with Wedge and Lando and lured off some of the pursuing TIE's.
The plot-firepower on the X-Wing is pretty outstanding. Not to mention the plot-armor. Better than a squadron of TIE fighters. Though, the B-Wing's budget stealth is pretty hard to beat too. You almost never see it, just the wrecked ships on the battlefields.
The plot shields are far more questionable, however, this is made up for with the plot astromechs which can reroute up to and including a missing engine.
@@lancepharker I was just going to mention that. Plot shields seem to vary from stopping laser blasts completely to doing absolutely nothing! One of the X-Wings in the latest episode of The Skeleton Crew took a single hit to the upper port engine. The shields must have been down because they appeared to have no effect whatsoever.
Almost as if these spaceships are fictional, and rarely obey the rules of physics at the best of times 😊 but rather, to paraphrase George Lucas himself "there's gravity in space when I want there to be."
@@matthemming9105 It's a tough thing to balance for art. Art has to be inspiring, but realistic enough it doesn't seem alien. As viewers get better and better educated and more accustomed to things like gravity and how it works in space, sentiments like that won't work as well. But, at least for now, it works. :)
@stormycatmink pretty sure we knew about gravity in the 70s. My point is that nit-picking on details as "plot armour" frames a standard narrative choice as a failure of the creator that the superior critic has identified. Remember: in Star Wars, laser swords can cut through anything EXCEPT other laser swords. It's as much fantasy as it is sci-fi, and it's about the farthest thing from "hard" sci-fi. If that's what you want, there are other movies and shows that also want that, and thus try to deliver it, like The Expanse. But the Expanse doesn't also have space wizards who can lift rocks with their minds.
Their hotdogs are still good. And those still only cost a buck-fifty. We'll know that Costco is truly going down the drain when they actually RAISE THE PRICE on their classic "Hot Dog/Soda" combo!!
The Empire had something BETTER than X-Wing patrols, the Skipray Blastboat. The fact they didn't use it more in spite of many Imperial officers loving it says everything.
The Skipray isn't a fighter, it is larger and less maneuverable, and is also a single ship designed for system patrol (AKA around the main planet's assets and it's hyperspace jump points). The Imperial officers liked to go with the bigger is better (more imposing, more fear, less resistance) mentality, which wasn't always the truth of the matter. The hyperdrive was for micro-jumps within a system, and perhaps escort/transport to other nearby systems. A pair of hyperdrive fighters can achieve quite a bit as a patrol - keyword: patrol. They are scouting for (and being the first responders to) trouble that may be occurring within the space of an established perimeter. They triage the situation, attempt to resolve the situation, and call for any additional support that fits the task, if necessary. The protocol is report in, and retreat if overwhelmed, something not as easily done for a single ship if it is disabled/destroyed. A wing pair has better odds of reporting in, one buys time for the other.
@@lordMartiya Well, which is it: "BETTER" or "worked well"? Would you like to elaborate a bit with an example or such? I'm definitely not knocking the Skipray, it is a good ship - I'm thinking of the tactics and logistics.
Alan we should take it one step further, public servants should be graded on how willing they are to be witnessed to enter Valhalla, shiny and chrome. Got a feeling we'd see an improvement in their attitudes when it's truly performance based for whether they'll be promoted in the afterlife.
5:42 it makes a lot more sense, from a cost perspective, to have hyperspace-enabled starfighters (or small gunships) to run patrols and response, then even a Gozanti-class cruiser. Because hyperspace travel is so rapid that if the threat is greater than two X-Wings can handle, a quick response could be scrambled from centrally-located sector fleets.
But like, why is it military craft have to be scrambled for what should be routine police calls? Sure a dangerous outlaw with possible hostages might warrant a stepped up response, but scrambling X-wings is like the US sending a pair of F-22s to deal with a highway stop.
@@FlameDarkfire Because they didn't have proper patrol fighters at the time it was established. They needed "police patrol cars" to do the routine job, but didn't have any, instead they had a bunch of military humvees lying around in extra number since the war was over. So, instead of scrapping them and wait for a new design to come through, they re-purposed them. Something made very easy by the fact pretty much EVERY former rebel pilot knew how to handle an X-wing
The Y-Wings were missing a lot of their armour, and a lot of their inner components were just showing during the battle of Yavin. Rebels did a great job of explaining that they stole them from a decommissioning facility.
I personaally think it's likely that "crimson jack" may be an order 66 survivor. Not a full jedi, and one who probably did not stick to the ideals of the order post clone wars. It would also explain his attitude about droids.
Who speaks "British English" in Star Wars? Certainly someone who was brought up around Coruscant (and/or any of the other major core worlds) would have such an accent.
Only problem, let's say you do rescue the kids. Where are you going to put them? How will you transport them? Do they need a medical droid? Or food? Do you have those in your X-Wing?
Seems the owl-lady in the observatory was a friendly, with shelter, probably food and water, probably a medpack. X-wings have rations, as well as medpacks. Seemed they were about 10-20 minutes away at class 1 velocity, so really not much of a problem. Know the lore and these things are obvious.
my only critique of the standard 2 x wing patrol, is what if u are detaining a captive/captives? x-wings cant carry passengers, so they need something like a small shuttle or patrol craft for transporting prisoners or extra troops.
The "Patrol" mission versus the "Transport" mission. The Patrol can call in a Transport if needed. Depending on the intel, the Transport might arrive with the Patrol. Why risk a Transport, or fly it without explicit purpose? The wing-pair can assess the situation on-site, and call for any specific support vessels as needed. Gotta think of it being similar to motorcycle cops. Most of the time, they're targeting infractions that don't require arrest, and when they do, they call in a transport.
@ That’s a really good point so I guess say a new republic coast guard base has a bunch of patrol starfighters and then just a couple transports like u-wings or lancer pursuit crafts
@@orokusaki1243 fair point. but in the situation with our force sensitive pirate friend, they should have brought a transport to detain him. and some ground troops wouldve been nice to cut off their escape, IE block the ships ramp.
If we're all looking for the Long John Silver in Skeleton Crew, what about Nick Frost's pirate droid? The "real" Long John was a captain pretending to be crew. Jude Law is set up as the one with the agenda, but what was that droid doing on At Attin in the first place?
The ship seemed quite functional (despite landing on it's top), just dormant. Seemed a mutiny occurred. The droid doesn't seem to recall the planet's name - so that ship could've been there for quite some time... ...perhaps there's some history between the current populace and pirates, before the barrier, maybe before the world took it's current name. The ship was buried, and not far from a population center - the admins certainly were aware of it's presence.
Dunno, that much top soil built up on the ship points to centuries in a temperate woodland environment like the kid's hometown, be different in a tropical rainforest, but High Republic origins for the banking culture on the surface should predate that, you'd think. I think believing a word out of that pirate droid's mouth is very suspect, maybe try analyzing the problem assuming the droid is lying about everything. We had a psychopath droid in Rebels, can't imagine the warrior/protocol droid on a pirate ship is any less warped from it's original programing🤔
Oh, and foreshadowing: the only role in the plot for the household droid in rich girl's home was to point out droids can be manipulated into lying, which we also saw Andor do to his adopted mom's droid. The timing of that household droid showing up in Skeleton Crew, just before Nick Frost's pirate droid shows up, sure looks like the writers wanted that point about droids lying to be underscored when the kids reactivated the pirate droid. Imho.
Yup, the ship was probably intentionally buried, and being a restricted area patrolled by droids, it was not supposed to be found. It is also a "brand new" model, no previous incarnations in known lore, so that adds to the mystery of who made it,, when, for what, and it's capabilities. Definitely getting that "don't trust the droids" vibe. They too don't look like any other droids in known lore Allegedly the pirate asteroid is in M-6 on the galactic map, in the Outer Rim. The travel time was about 4-6 hours from At Attin. Would be nice if they do eventually identify where these places are, officially.
sequels, Bah! Legends forever :D Seriously, they missed a chance to make bank by mining the books set after the Battle of Endor and giving us well-written and popular stories. The Yuzhon Vong and Thrawn books alone would've been amazing on screen
Something grabbed me about the gozonti cruiser you said that it cost about 200K on the civilian market but when a military gets their hand on an air, or in this case space frame, they equip it with weapons, sensors, comsys, and ISR equipment turning that ship from 200k to a couple million credits just look at the USAFs warden aircraft
The X-wing Patrols are probably more cost efficient, but the Imperial Patrols are more cost effective. If you see a Gozanti and its 4 TIE's, the required force to engage, damage or defeat that force is quite out of reach for most. This is compared to the 2 X-wings, to which only requires at least 3 Starfighters to be able to engage, damage or defeat, to which is very within reach for most. The cost to engage, damage or defeat for an Imperial Patrol could easily be worth more than 400,000 credits, while the X-wing Patrol could be something as lows as 200,000. You must also place in perspective capability disparity, the Imperial Patrol can Fight, detain ships (Tractor Beam), detain personnel (Mothership), deploy personnel (Complement), disperse operations (more hulls), while the X-wing patrol can only Fight.
Good assessment. Though if strictly a "patrol", it would depend on the nature and scope of that patrol. A single installation, a single system, a portion of a sector, it further depends upon what kind of incursions are being patrolled for, and there may be additional factors to determine the correct vehicles to be made available. Thus a task force may be more appropriate, with patrols searching out any incursions for the task force to respond to.
Tie fighters not having hyperdrives isn't a real problem at all. A carrier provides a lot of advantages such as fire, logistical and tactical support that lets the pilots rest when not in combat which means they have better reaction times in battle. The X-wings hyperdrive is great for hit and run but even X-wings need a carrier for longer term missions, it lacks facilities and advanced sensors which makes it a lousy scout for anything longer than a short range fly-by. The X-wing s true strength is as a multi role strike fighter which was essential for the rebels because of their lack of firepower but that isn't that important for the imperial navy. There is a myth that is really popular that the Rebels were a major thorn in the Empires side with a lot of support and they were slowly bleeding it to death which is completely wrong. The Rebels were almost always on the losing end of any engagement, they were always a hair breath away from being completely eradicated, the battle of Endor was a hail Mary, they committed everything that they had and if they had lost the Rebellion for all intents and purposes would have been finished. Another myth is that if the Empire only had different ships or a different doctrine they could have won but this is ridiculous, the Empire was on the verge of winning, the reason they lost was because of arrogance. If Palpatine hadn't died or if he had set up a successor the Rebels had near zero chance of surviving let alone winning. Once you understand this fact it makes the story so much better because the stakes are so high.
X-wings are referred to as snubfighters in both A New Hope and Return of the Jedi. Remember the line "What use are snubs going to be against THAT?" in A New Hope? That was referring to X-wings.
another advantage of the x-wings is that if one gets disabled you still have one guy who can complete the mission, if the Gozanti gets disabled your whole squad is dead
The ISD makes perfect sense both as a carrier and a tool of intimidation. Tha prices per ships are often based on the old SW RPG and hence game balance and availability was part of the factor.
i like this video, you make some good points about cost effectiveness. could you modify a YT style freighter so that those two X wings could dock and the pilots could walk around and take bio breaks? i'm also thinking that same YT would make a good post battle rescue recovery for anyone that had to eject because their ship got shot up. just thinking
@@GenerationTech I still think that is a bit silly when actual tugs exist. Looking at the YT series, they're all freighters and transports. Some dude in Legends made the case that the "mandibles" of the YT-1300 were for docking with containers so as to move those containers, and somehow it stuck. A case of having to explain everything - with varying quality - in this case a bit out of step, awkward and impractical. The containers would have to be specifically designed to fit that ~3-4 meter space, and it would prevent the use of the larger freight loading/unloading doors. Meanwhile, in Solo, we see that Lando has an escape craft in that spot, also blocking those freight doors. The "mandibles" aren't seen to open and close, but granted - if they can hold a craft, they could probably hold something else that specifically fits that space.
TBF, the X-Wing isn't 100% prototype. Incom also made the Z-95 Headhunter, and while its base form is atmosphere-only, it's clear where the design team drew inspiration for the X-Wing. There's also the fact that the controls and cockpit are largely kept the same for Incom ships, which is how Luke was able to transfer his skills from the T-16 Skyhopper to flying the X-Wing.
The TIE fighters were intended to be the ISD's point defense system. If the TIEs are out chasing X-Wings the ISD is vulnerable to attack by Y-Wings. We saw that at the Battle of Scariff.
the transition for the rebellion to the newr upublic would create an opertuntity to finalize the X-wings design and setup proper production lines for it, reducing it's cost and mantince to more reasonable level. so their cost/benfit would only incresse the longer they were in the service of the new republic.
@GenerationTech I know it’s blasphemy to talk about the sequels, but because I like the design of the T-70, did that fix the irregularity problems and how would that fair against the Tie Dagger?
I just would like Carson Teva to reference his myriad of run ins on other shows. Like Telling Hera "By the way, you ever seen an N-1 in action? Thing is fast"
As i recall the GREATEST think keeping the New Republic together ISN'T Carson at their version of Dunken Doughnuts... Besides that time they did the equivalent of rendering Triple A service post that other equivalent of a routine Traffic Stop ... Cuz its literally what then was the Muscle to securing the outer rim was some pretty pissed off Mandos, and 1 in particular, at Carson's mutual enemy...
The ad-hoc nature of the X-wing turned out to be a benefit in this case too. Look closely and see they were able to retrofit the bottom weapons to ion cannons. Something the TIE line could hardly ever do.
it was kinda neat to see some X wings fitted out with ion cannons. because until thst point, I thought the idea of shooting back at an X wing to provoke it is generally know as A Bad Idea :P
1:12 they wouldn’t do anything because the primary magical predator in the Imperial era were the inquisitors ain’t no way they gonna dispatch on their own special operations
That's just the shape it makes in our roman alphabet (aka high galactic alphabet), but looks nothing like the aurebesh letter "x". It is a "multi-role" star fighter, but there are certainly others.
TIE/ln is a "barebones" ship... False: For a fighter it has everything you need. Maneuverability: Superior Speed: Superior Firepower: Twin fast firing cannons with superior tibanna gas (as per your previous video). Capable of taking on Corvettes and other small to medium ships Sensors: Superior sensors and targeting computer. Receives regular upgrades from a dedicated defense contractor. No hyperdrive? Less weight. Not needed due to ample transportation. No life support? Less weight. Why needed when the ship is deployed from a larger ship? Prevents explosive decompression of cockpit is compromised in any way. No shields? Less weight. Shields are only a second chance. They are depleted after 1 or 2 hits vs. a fast firing cannon like the TIEs. Missiles? Could be added per mission requirements. The fact is that you want speed and maneuverability above everything else. As we learned in the Pacific against the Zeroes, extra armor helps but ultimately you'll die against a fighter that is faster and can turn better. The British Spitfire didn't have the power of the Bf109 but it could turn faster which gave it a huge advantage. Shields and armor aren't going to help you if the enemy can out turn you and get behind you consistently. Something that writers fail to realize when coming up with content for books. Also, a 2 fighter response is a quick way to get 2 fighters destroyed. Ambushing a Gozantii or the TIE's being deployed is much more difficult than ambushing a pair of Xwings. Xwings were great for hit and run but not for sustained fighting. Against TIE's they would get a free head on pass to knock them out while allowing shields to take a few hits. After that they died pretty quickly unless they had plot armor. Post war the Republic should have been able to send an entire corvette or squadron to investigate. MCM Cruisers could be babysitting planets and sectors. Then they downgraded and scrapped their ships. Sending 2 Xwings wasn't efficiency. It was all they had to work with.
The key thing to remember is the strategies both side were fighting. The rebels could never win a stand up fight 1on1 they lacked numbers and firepower so they could not stay and conquer a planet. They needed to always be on move running away from the empire. Va empire they already owned everything and so only needed to hold the planets and let the rebels come to them. Obviously you’re not going to leave a bunch of fighters floating in space for days. It makes sense to have a carrier and lots of fighters and just sit them in a star system ready to react to a rebel attack.
I do think crovete or s high end destroyer sized ships with some good point defences would be better for anti piracy. Pirates can't really move toward a destroyer sized vessel it's just too big of a logical footprint, but they can employ Corvettes. Meanwhile with destroyers you can outgun pirate corvette and have your corvettes as screening ship or for pursuing fleeing pirate ship.
What would be your opinion if the Empire improved the level of the fleet and not only consisted of huge ships but also smaller ones, and the fighters were more like the TIE Avenger or the TIE Silencer, which is closer to an X-wing?
The only downside of patrolling with the starfighters is that yes they’re great for pirate suppression because they’re great in a fight but if you need to stop a ship board and search it or a space station that’s kinda hard to do with a starfighter, especially one with a single seat cockpit. I honestly think the backbone of the patrol fleet in that situation wouldn’t be starfighters. It would be something more like the Corian Corvette or the Gatti class cruisers, a skip Ray blast boat modified for boarding, at absolute minimum. With the starfighters on call if you needed to kick somebody’s ass.
We probably could build T-fighters in real life. The window of a T-fighter is similar to the big window on the ISS-International Space Station. The side panels are maybe solar panels And we have ion engines That design might be good for an in orbit, short travel space craft
I disagree with the premise of the efficiency of sending two X-Wings to response to trouble spots over a small cruiser with four TIE fighters. While the X-Wings might be able to stay in the area for a few days that is nothing compared to a cruiser that can stay for a month. Further, if there is no habitable planet, the X-Wing pilots will have to remain in their cockpits for the duration which would degrade their performance over time and there is no place for them to refuel or rearm. The cruiser can act as a base for its TIEs and add the fighters’ firepower to its own in dealing with problems. The cruiser can also land a small force to police a settlement or raid a hostile outpost or board and inspect any suspicious ship. It is not a question of responding to trouble, but maintaining a presence to control an area and preventing trouble in the first place.
Also the personnel difference probably isn't that high, all those people would just instead be wherever the X-Wings home base is. They still need maintenance, security and organization after all.
The big problem with using X-wings for police patrols in less controlled areas is that they have no means to transport suspects. An X-Wing pilot's only option for that is to try to coerce their quarry into following them or flying in front of them, making any jumps through hyperspace needed to get to the nearest base in good faith.
The T-65B may have been a prototype rushed into inefficient production, but what about later models? When did a model optimized for mass production and easier maintenance come out, and how different was it from the prototype in appearance and performance? We've seen the T-70, and heard of the T-85. But was there a T-65C?
Well, a star destroyer was a great weaopn against other militarys, military bases and planet defence forces, unfortunaly the rebels werent that. They had no constant seat of power, rather view important bases and were often just in deep space or the edge of systems where they could quickly escape. But, the Rebels also have proven, that their tactics cant realy deal with a full gouverment, as we see the imperials still beeing around and pirat running havoc far out the edges. A middle would had solved the problem for the new republic. A mix of a view heavy hitters like star destroyers and a mixute of Tiefighter and Xwing, like the Tie advance thrawn developed. Also, a quiet effective tactic of the imperial army, having alot of smaller vesels acting as fighter defence and police force next to fighters and heavy hitters.
While the Emperor should have commissioned the Death Stars for threats he knew were coming, he should have listened to Thrawn and Vader and tabled at least the second Death Star until the Empire had a fleet of Tie Defender Elites
Just want to add some extra nuance about the new republic- Mon Mothma is very much against military use (due to how it was used to hang terror over the top of planets) and intervention by the republic, and has been decommissioning and scrapping all the imperial stuff. Large ships are a big no. This partly contributed to the rise of the first order and Leia forming the resistance.
The T-47 speeder should have been made a space going fighter. At least it has room to hold an arrested perpetrator. It really the x-wing is quite big and it has that hatch at the rear.. I’m starting to think it may have paddy wagon capabilities to make an arrest!
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You are one of my favorite creators on youtube. Been watching for years and the way you do these vids, the details you bring up, the jokes you make... just superb.. Thank you.
Hey Dude, if we're all looking for the Long John Silver in Skeleton Crew, what about Nick Frost's pirate droid? The real Long John was a captain pretending to be crew. Jude Law is set up as the one with the agenda, but what was that droid doing on At Attin in the first place?
Foreshadowing: the only plot point of the houshold droid in rich girl's house was to point out droids can be manipulated into lying, which we also saw Andor do to his adopted mom's droid. The timing of that household droid showing up in Skeleton Crew, just before Nick Frost's pirate droid shows up, sure looks like the writers wanted that point about droids lying to be underscored when the kids reactivated the pirate droid. Imho.
I think believing a word out of that pirate droid's mouth is very suspect, maybe try analyzing the problem assuming the droid is lying about everything. We had a psychopath droid in Rebels, can't imagine the warrior/protocol droid on a pirate ship is any less warped from it's original programing🤔
Every time Allen doesn’t end his videos with his pledge of allegiance to the Republic, I fear he may be buying into Imperial sentiment… LOL
It's not imperial sentiment...it's the Dolphins! He hasn't mentioned them in a LONG time. I am convinced that they are working behind the scenes...humanity may be in jeopardy!
I feel the exact same way
@chrisheitstuman6360 ... the dolphins, are planning their escape, from the planet.
He has become the very thing he swore to destroy
He fell in love with a Mirialian, and they left the Republic after they attacked them for being non alligned in the Clone Wars.
Barriss responded with terrorism for the Republic bringing peace to their planet...
In Legends, the A-wing with the Fijisi wood paneling was piloted by former Imperial TIE fighter pilot turned Rogue Squadron pilot Tycho Celchu, He has been attributed to being the pilot of the A-wing that flew into the second death Star with Wedge and Lando and lured off some of the pursuing TIE's.
And led said TIEs on a “merry chase around the Death Star”
He probably knew some of the TIE pilots personally so he knew what to do to tick them off.
Those panels were in the cockpit, according to Tycho Celchu…
The plot-firepower on the X-Wing is pretty outstanding. Not to mention the plot-armor. Better than a squadron of TIE fighters. Though, the B-Wing's budget stealth is pretty hard to beat too. You almost never see it, just the wrecked ships on the battlefields.
The plot shields are far more questionable, however, this is made up for with the plot astromechs which can reroute up to and including a missing engine.
@@lancepharker I was just going to mention that. Plot shields seem to vary from stopping laser blasts completely to doing absolutely nothing! One of the X-Wings in the latest episode of The Skeleton Crew took a single hit to the upper port engine. The shields must have been down because they appeared to have no effect whatsoever.
Almost as if these spaceships are fictional, and rarely obey the rules of physics at the best of times 😊 but rather, to paraphrase George Lucas himself "there's gravity in space when I want there to be."
@@matthemming9105 It's a tough thing to balance for art. Art has to be inspiring, but realistic enough it doesn't seem alien. As viewers get better and better educated and more accustomed to things like gravity and how it works in space, sentiments like that won't work as well. But, at least for now, it works. :)
@stormycatmink pretty sure we knew about gravity in the 70s. My point is that nit-picking on details as "plot armour" frames a standard narrative choice as a failure of the creator that the superior critic has identified. Remember: in Star Wars, laser swords can cut through anything EXCEPT other laser swords. It's as much fantasy as it is sci-fi, and it's about the farthest thing from "hard" sci-fi. If that's what you want, there are other movies and shows that also want that, and thus try to deliver it, like The Expanse. But the Expanse doesn't also have space wizards who can lift rocks with their minds.
I hear you on the Costco thing. I used to work for them. I miss when the food was good.
i still get a glizzy everytime can't beat that price
Costco beats inflation
Their hotdogs are still good. And those still only cost a buck-fifty. We'll know that Costco is truly going down the drain when they actually RAISE THE PRICE on their classic "Hot Dog/Soda" combo!!
Even with the hardships, Costco is still a solid choice for bulk and family consumption
@@jacob4920 I heard the founder will not allow the price of the hotdog to go up, period.
The Empire had something BETTER than X-Wing patrols, the Skipray Blastboat.
The fact they didn't use it more in spite of many Imperial officers loving it says everything.
The Skipray isn't a fighter, it is larger and less maneuverable, and is also a single ship designed for system patrol (AKA around the main planet's assets and it's hyperspace jump points). The Imperial officers liked to go with the bigger is better (more imposing, more fear, less resistance) mentality, which wasn't always the truth of the matter. The hyperdrive was for micro-jumps within a system, and perhaps escort/transport to other nearby systems.
A pair of hyperdrive fighters can achieve quite a bit as a patrol - keyword: patrol. They are scouting for (and being the first responders to) trouble that may be occurring within the space of an established perimeter. They triage the situation, attempt to resolve the situation, and call for any additional support that fits the task, if necessary.
The protocol is report in, and retreat if overwhelmed, something not as easily done for a single ship if it is disabled/destroyed. A wing pair has better odds of reporting in, one buys time for the other.
@orokusaki1243 And yet, the Skipray worked well even on long range patrols.
@@lordMartiya Well, which is it: "BETTER" or "worked well"?
Would you like to elaborate a bit with an example or such?
I'm definitely not knocking the Skipray, it is a good ship - I'm thinking of the tactics and logistics.
@orokusaki1243 Better for this patrol job, obviously.
10:28 the New Republic also had a _ton_ of ex-Imperial infiltrators scrambling up the works of their bureaucracy.
In skeleton crew the X-wings use ion lasers which were cool to see
Well, they basicly transformed an F-14 Tomcat into a patrole Police Car.
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Alan we should take it one step further, public servants should be graded on how willing they are to be witnessed to enter Valhalla, shiny and chrome. Got a feeling we'd see an improvement in their attitudes when it's truly performance based for whether they'll be promoted in the afterlife.
Dude, it's public service, as long as the paperwork doesn't drive them mad they've proven themselves enough!
2:56 this is why you are my favorite star wars channel
5:42 it makes a lot more sense, from a cost perspective, to have hyperspace-enabled starfighters (or small gunships) to run patrols and response, then even a Gozanti-class cruiser. Because hyperspace travel is so rapid that if the threat is greater than two X-Wings can handle, a quick response could be scrambled from centrally-located sector fleets.
But like, why is it military craft have to be scrambled for what should be routine police calls? Sure a dangerous outlaw with possible hostages might warrant a stepped up response, but scrambling X-wings is like the US sending a pair of F-22s to deal with a highway stop.
@@FlameDarkfire Because they didn't have proper patrol fighters at the time it was established.
They needed "police patrol cars" to do the routine job, but didn't have any, instead they had a bunch of military humvees lying around in extra number since the war was over.
So, instead of scrapping them and wait for a new design to come through, they re-purposed them. Something made very easy by the fact pretty much EVERY former rebel pilot knew how to handle an X-wing
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RIP Chicken Bake Foil packaging and supreme pizzas at CostCo....
The Y-Wings were missing a lot of their armour, and a lot of their inner components were just showing during the battle of Yavin. Rebels did a great job of explaining that they stole them from a decommissioning facility.
Evidently also helped with fixing shit because stuff was packed tight under the armor
Well, this is the X-Wing we are talking about.
Frankly I liked the idea of small ships carrying maybe a single squadron of fighters.
Empire should have two Tie Hunters, one Imperial Skip Ray Blast Boat, and one transport that carries some troops and boarding ability.
I personaally think it's likely that "crimson jack" may be an order 66 survivor. Not a full jedi, and one who probably did not stick to the ideals of the order post clone wars. It would also explain his attitude about droids.
Who speaks "British English" in Star Wars? Certainly someone who was brought up around Coruscant (and/or any of the other major core worlds) would have such an accent.
Only problem, let's say you do rescue the kids. Where are you going to put them? How will you transport them? Do they need a medical droid? Or food? Do you have those in your X-Wing?
no but a quick call can get the U wing in quick and it has enough space for at least 2 squads of troops.
Seems the owl-lady in the observatory was a friendly, with shelter, probably food and water, probably a medpack. X-wings have rations, as well as medpacks. Seemed they were about 10-20 minutes away at class 1 velocity, so really not much of a problem.
Know the lore and these things are obvious.
my only critique of the standard 2 x wing patrol, is what if u are detaining a captive/captives? x-wings cant carry passengers, so they need something like a small shuttle or patrol craft for transporting prisoners or extra troops.
Or what if the pirate ship has a god anti Starfighter defence?
2 X-wings + Lancer pursuit craft. Space for prisoners & tractor beam
The "Patrol" mission versus the "Transport" mission.
The Patrol can call in a Transport if needed. Depending on the intel, the Transport might arrive with the Patrol. Why risk a Transport, or fly it without explicit purpose?
The wing-pair can assess the situation on-site, and call for any specific support vessels as needed.
Gotta think of it being similar to motorcycle cops. Most of the time, they're targeting infractions that don't require arrest, and when they do, they call in a transport.
@ That’s a really good point so I guess say a new republic coast guard base has a bunch of patrol starfighters and then just a couple transports like u-wings or lancer pursuit crafts
@@orokusaki1243 fair point. but in the situation with our force sensitive pirate friend, they should have brought a transport to detain him. and some ground troops wouldve been nice to cut off their escape, IE block the ships ramp.
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If we're all looking for the Long John Silver in Skeleton Crew, what about Nick Frost's pirate droid? The "real" Long John was a captain pretending to be crew. Jude Law is set up as the one with the agenda, but what was that droid doing on At Attin in the first place?
The ship seemed quite functional (despite landing on it's top), just dormant. Seemed a mutiny occurred. The droid doesn't seem to recall the planet's name - so that ship could've been there for quite some time...
...perhaps there's some history between the current populace and pirates, before the barrier, maybe before the world took it's current name. The ship was buried, and not far from a population center - the admins certainly were aware of it's presence.
Dunno, that much top soil built up on the ship points to centuries in a temperate woodland environment like the kid's hometown, be different in a tropical rainforest, but High Republic origins for the banking culture on the surface should predate that, you'd think. I think believing a word out of that pirate droid's mouth is very suspect, maybe try analyzing the problem assuming the droid is lying about everything. We had a psychopath droid in Rebels, can't imagine the warrior/protocol droid on a pirate ship is any less warped from it's original programing🤔
Oh, and foreshadowing: the only role in the plot for the household droid in rich girl's home was to point out droids can be manipulated into lying, which we also saw Andor do to his adopted mom's droid. The timing of that household droid showing up in Skeleton Crew, just before Nick Frost's pirate droid shows up, sure looks like the writers wanted that point about droids lying to be underscored when the kids reactivated the pirate droid. Imho.
Yup, the ship was probably intentionally buried, and being a restricted area patrolled by droids, it was not supposed to be found. It is also a "brand new" model, no previous incarnations in known lore, so that adds to the mystery of who made it,, when, for what, and it's capabilities.
Definitely getting that "don't trust the droids" vibe. They too don't look like any other droids in known lore
Allegedly the pirate asteroid is in M-6 on the galactic map, in the Outer Rim. The travel time was about 4-6 hours from At Attin. Would be nice if they do eventually identify where these places are, officially.
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0:34 The Kids just want to go for very enthusiastic walks with him.
Very enthusiastic walks~
@@CJ_Welch he is a f*ck mothering jedi, he killed a lot of people to get that title
sequels, Bah! Legends forever :D
Seriously, they missed a chance to make bank by mining the books set after the Battle of Endor and giving us well-written and popular stories. The Yuzhon Vong and Thrawn books alone would've been amazing on screen
Something grabbed me about the gozonti cruiser you said that it cost about 200K on the civilian market but when a military gets their hand on an air, or in this case space frame, they equip it with weapons, sensors, comsys, and ISR equipment turning that ship from 200k to a couple million credits just look at the USAFs warden aircraft
The X-wing Patrols are probably more cost efficient, but the Imperial Patrols are more cost effective.
If you see a Gozanti and its 4 TIE's, the required force to engage, damage or defeat that force is quite out of reach for most. This is compared to the 2 X-wings, to which only requires at least 3 Starfighters to be able to engage, damage or defeat, to which is very within reach for most.
The cost to engage, damage or defeat for an Imperial Patrol could easily be worth more than 400,000 credits, while the X-wing Patrol could be something as lows as 200,000.
You must also place in perspective capability disparity, the Imperial Patrol can Fight, detain ships (Tractor Beam), detain personnel (Mothership), deploy personnel (Complement), disperse operations (more hulls), while the X-wing patrol can only Fight.
Good assessment.
Though if strictly a "patrol", it would depend on the nature and scope of that patrol.
A single installation, a single system, a portion of a sector, it further depends upon what kind of incursions are being patrolled for, and there may be additional factors to determine the correct vehicles to be made available.
Thus a task force may be more appropriate, with patrols searching out any incursions for the task force to respond to.
Tie fighters not having hyperdrives isn't a real problem at all. A carrier provides a lot of advantages such as fire, logistical and tactical support that lets the pilots rest when not in combat which means they have better reaction times in battle. The X-wings hyperdrive is great for hit and run but even X-wings need a carrier for longer term missions, it lacks facilities and advanced sensors which makes it a lousy scout for anything longer than a short range fly-by. The X-wing s true strength is as a multi role strike fighter which was essential for the rebels because of their lack of firepower but that isn't that important for the imperial navy. There is a myth that is really popular that the Rebels were a major thorn in the Empires side with a lot of support and they were slowly bleeding it to death which is completely wrong. The Rebels were almost always on the losing end of any engagement, they were always a hair breath away from being completely eradicated, the battle of Endor was a hail Mary, they committed everything that they had and if they had lost the Rebellion for all intents and purposes would have been finished. Another myth is that if the Empire only had different ships or a different doctrine they could have won but this is ridiculous, the Empire was on the verge of winning, the reason they lost was because of arrogance. If Palpatine hadn't died or if he had set up a successor the Rebels had near zero chance of surviving let alone winning. Once you understand this fact it makes the story so much better because the stakes are so high.
You can't equate a carrier IRL to the star destroyer. A carrier isn't 10km within enemy range when launching fighters, rather 100km.
New Republic's Defense Strategy: *introduced*
First Order: "Lol. Lmao."
Skeleton Crew is just Goonies in Space.
The 3,978th person to say that, thank you
You're not wrong
Goonies is a good movie so I'm assuming this is a compliment
just??
Goonies x Treasure Island in space.
Wood panels did not happen since the mid 1960's actually.
From there, it was only decals, because wood costs more in a car than steel does.
😂 the way he went about the sponsor… I normally don’t care to watch sponsor segments but that crap made me laugh for no reason in particular
Personally I think the lancer pursuit craft is better for patrol. Tractor beam and the ability to dock with another ship/starfighter
Idk why i find it so satisfying when you do that wordplay in the intro.... 😅 Ive been looking forward to this
0:00 My name isn't Alan. Or is it?
12:51 An X-Wing isn't a snubfighter, it's a starfighter. A snubfighter would be like the Imperial Tiefighters.
X-wings are referred to as snubfighters in both A New Hope and Return of the Jedi. Remember the line "What use are snubs going to be against THAT?" in A New Hope? That was referring to X-wings.
another advantage of the x-wings is that if one gets disabled you still have one guy who can complete the mission, if the Gozanti gets disabled your whole squad is dead
Yes, this.
I'm sure you could regard the x-wing as the F-15 eagle or F-16 fighting falcon of star wars
More like the f-14. Especially with the variable geometry wings.
@@daleford8621definitely F-14, both required high maintenance and were absurdly expensive
Episode off Friends...." So no one told you the Force was gonna be this waaaaayyyy....."
🎵Your Council's a joke, the Repulic is broke and your love life is DOA🎶
4:21 that smile was fucking creepy and I love it😂
The ISD makes perfect sense both as a carrier and a tool of intimidation. Tha prices per ships are often based on the old SW RPG and hence game balance and availability was part of the factor.
I zoned out for a moment, and then you suddenly start talking about pizza
Same but what snapped me back was something about public servants huffing paint lol
i like this video, you make some good points about cost effectiveness. could you modify a YT style freighter so that those two X wings could dock and the pilots could walk around and take bio breaks? i'm also thinking that same YT would make a good post battle rescue recovery for anyone that had to eject because their ship got shot up. just thinking
funny enough yt1300 series was originally built as a tug boat and to move freight containers
Rebels had shown YWings docked with The Ghost on the side docking ports.
@@GenerationTech I still think that is a bit silly when actual tugs exist. Looking at the YT series, they're all freighters and transports.
Some dude in Legends made the case that the "mandibles" of the YT-1300 were for docking with containers so as to move those containers, and somehow it stuck. A case of having to explain everything - with varying quality - in this case a bit out of step, awkward and impractical.
The containers would have to be specifically designed to fit that ~3-4 meter space, and it would prevent the use of the larger freight loading/unloading doors. Meanwhile, in Solo, we see that Lando has an escape craft in that spot, also blocking those freight doors. The "mandibles" aren't seen to open and close, but granted - if they can hold a craft, they could probably hold something else that specifically fits that space.
TBF, the X-Wing isn't 100% prototype. Incom also made the Z-95 Headhunter, and while its base form is atmosphere-only, it's clear where the design team drew inspiration for the X-Wing. There's also the fact that the controls and cockpit are largely kept the same for Incom ships, which is how Luke was able to transfer his skills from the T-16 Skyhopper to flying the X-Wing.
At first I thought "Two new videos in one day!" Then I realized you just changed the title.
The New Republic would never have failed if there were more people like Carson Teva !
Did you see the bottom guns of the X-Wing
The TIE fighters were intended to be the ISD's point defense system.
If the TIEs are out chasing X-Wings the ISD is vulnerable to attack by Y-Wings.
We saw that at the Battle of Scariff.
Carson also runs one of the best galactic convenience stores as well.
the transition for the rebellion to the newr upublic would create an opertuntity to finalize the X-wings design and setup proper production lines for it, reducing it's cost and mantince to more reasonable level. so their cost/benfit would only incresse the longer they were in the service of the new republic.
@GenerationTech I know it’s blasphemy to talk about the sequels, but because I like the design of the T-70, did that fix the irregularity problems and how would that fair against the Tie Dagger?
Maybe In The Next Decade He Will Make An Video About This
I just would like Carson Teva to reference his myriad of run ins on other shows. Like Telling Hera "By the way, you ever seen an N-1 in action? Thing is fast"
"Hello Alan welcome to another episode of friends, my name is Generation Tech." Comedy gold
As i recall the GREATEST think keeping the New Republic together ISN'T Carson at their version of Dunken Doughnuts... Besides that time they did the equivalent of rendering Triple A service post that other equivalent of a routine Traffic Stop ... Cuz its literally what then was the Muscle to securing the outer rim was some pretty pissed off Mandos, and 1 in particular, at Carson's mutual enemy...
The ad-hoc nature of the X-wing turned out to be a benefit in this case too. Look closely and see they were able to retrofit the bottom weapons to ion cannons. Something the TIE line could hardly ever do.
it was kinda neat to see some X wings fitted out with ion cannons. because until thst point, I thought the idea of shooting back at an X wing to provoke it is generally know as A Bad Idea :P
Loved the intro =) Friends was for Dolphin lovers.
1:12 they wouldn’t do anything because the primary magical predator in the Imperial era were the inquisitors ain’t no way they gonna dispatch on their own special operations
As an Allan, I'm playing Allen's intro on a loop.
Love the X-Wing
The Tarkin doctrine was pretty ridiculous. Its like the US sending an aircraft carrier to deal with Somali pirates.
You should have seen what the British did in the 1800s to eliminate piracy in the Caribbean
Hello there! I watched this entire video and my name is Genration Tech. I believe in The Republic and Democracy. And I am Allan.
@14:50 This sounds awfully familiar.
Alan is much more subtle than ST:TOS when he does this
X is a variable that can mean anything. The X-Wing can do anything.
That's just the shape it makes in our roman alphabet (aka high galactic alphabet), but looks nothing like the aurebesh letter "x".
It is a "multi-role" star fighter, but there are certainly others.
TIE/ln is a "barebones" ship... False: For a fighter it has everything you need.
Maneuverability: Superior
Speed: Superior
Firepower: Twin fast firing cannons with superior tibanna gas (as per your previous video). Capable of taking on Corvettes and other small to medium ships
Sensors: Superior sensors and targeting computer. Receives regular upgrades from a dedicated defense contractor.
No hyperdrive? Less weight. Not needed due to ample transportation.
No life support? Less weight. Why needed when the ship is deployed from a larger ship? Prevents explosive decompression of cockpit is compromised in any way.
No shields? Less weight. Shields are only a second chance. They are depleted after 1 or 2 hits vs. a fast firing cannon like the TIEs.
Missiles? Could be added per mission requirements.
The fact is that you want speed and maneuverability above everything else. As we learned in the Pacific against the Zeroes, extra armor helps but ultimately you'll die against a fighter that is faster and can turn better. The British Spitfire didn't have the power of the Bf109 but it could turn faster which gave it a huge advantage. Shields and armor aren't going to help you if the enemy can out turn you and get behind you consistently. Something that writers fail to realize when coming up with content for books.
Also, a 2 fighter response is a quick way to get 2 fighters destroyed. Ambushing a Gozantii or the TIE's being deployed is much more difficult than ambushing a pair of Xwings. Xwings were great for hit and run but not for sustained fighting. Against TIE's they would get a free head on pass to knock them out while allowing shields to take a few hits. After that they died pretty quickly unless they had plot armor. Post war the Republic should have been able to send an entire corvette or squadron to investigate. MCM Cruisers could be babysitting planets and sectors. Then they downgraded and scrapped their ships. Sending 2 Xwings wasn't efficiency. It was all they had to work with.
The key thing to remember is the strategies both side were fighting. The rebels could never win a stand up fight 1on1 they lacked numbers and firepower so they could not stay and conquer a planet. They needed to always be on move running away from the empire. Va empire they already owned everything and so only needed to hold the planets and let the rebels come to them. Obviously you’re not going to leave a bunch of fighters floating in space for days. It makes sense to have a carrier and lots of fighters and just sit them in a star system ready to react to a rebel attack.
Now you made me hungry.
I do think crovete or s high end destroyer sized ships with some good point defences would be better for anti piracy.
Pirates can't really move toward a destroyer sized vessel it's just too big of a logical footprint, but they can employ Corvettes. Meanwhile with destroyers you can outgun pirate corvette and have your corvettes as screening ship or for pursuing fleeing pirate ship.
What would be your opinion if the Empire improved the level of the fleet and not only consisted of huge ships but also smaller ones, and the fighters were more like the TIE Avenger or the TIE Silencer, which is closer to an X-wing?
I love how the end of this totally serious Star Wars video devolves into a low-key rant about the downfall of Costco at the end. lol
The only downside of patrolling with the starfighters is that yes they’re great for pirate suppression because they’re great in a fight but if you need to stop a ship board and search it or a space station that’s kinda hard to do with a starfighter, especially one with a single seat cockpit. I honestly think the backbone of the patrol fleet in that situation wouldn’t be starfighters. It would be something more like the Corian Corvette or the Gatti class cruisers, a skip Ray blast boat modified for boarding, at absolute minimum. With the starfighters on call if you needed to kick somebody’s ass.
It’s better 99%of the time than a star destroyer but that 1% of the time is firepower
The Costco commentary is beautiful. XD
I am getting Empire of the Sun feelings. I can see some liberated kid shouting "X-Wings!!!! (Cadillac) of the skies!!!"
We probably could build T-fighters in real life.
The window of a T-fighter is similar to the big window on the ISS-International Space Station.
The side panels are maybe solar panels
And we have ion engines
That design might be good for an in orbit, short travel space craft
The chicken bake really hurt.. also when they stopped selling Polish dogs
100% correct. The ending of the Supreme pizza marks the ending of civilization.
No. The true end of civilization will come when Costco FINALLY RAISES THE PRICE ON THEIR HOTDOG/SODA COMBO!!!
Skelton Crew is very good. I'm just sad that in 2025, we are only getting Andor and Visions. Nothing else until Mando and Grogu movie in 2026.
Allen slowly losing his mind gives me life.
Not returning your cart to the corral is a sign of true evil.
I disagree with the premise of the efficiency of sending two X-Wings to response to trouble spots over a small cruiser with four TIE fighters. While the X-Wings might be able to stay in the area for a few days that is nothing compared to a cruiser that can stay for a month. Further, if there is no habitable planet, the X-Wing pilots will have to remain in their cockpits for the duration which would degrade their performance over time and there is no place for them to refuel or rearm.
The cruiser can act as a base for its TIEs and add the fighters’ firepower to its own in dealing with problems. The cruiser can also land a small force to police a settlement or raid a hostile outpost or board and inspect any suspicious ship.
It is not a question of responding to trouble, but maintaining a presence to control an area and preventing trouble in the first place.
Also the personnel difference probably isn't that high, all those people would just instead be wherever the X-Wings home base is. They still need maintenance, security and organization after all.
The big problem with using X-wings for police patrols in less controlled areas is that they have no means to transport suspects. An X-Wing pilot's only option for that is to try to coerce their quarry into following them or flying in front of them, making any jumps through hyperspace needed to get to the nearest base in good faith.
never trust an OWLIEN!
right? right? there is no way Jod/Jack might be lying?
loved how Jack referred to the X-wings as "KIM's GOONS"
The empire hat more approriate cost efficient and fit for the task options though. Like the Cantwell Cruiser.
I don't know about official canon, but it always felt like X-Wings and Tie Fighters were like P-51s and Fokker Triplanes.
The T-65B may have been a prototype rushed into inefficient production, but what about later models? When did a model optimized for mass production and easier maintenance come out, and how different was it from the prototype in appearance and performance?
We've seen the T-70, and heard of the T-85. But was there a T-65C?
Well, a star destroyer was a great weaopn against other militarys, military bases and planet defence forces, unfortunaly the rebels werent that. They had no constant seat of power, rather view important bases and were often just in deep space or the edge of systems where they could quickly escape.
But, the Rebels also have proven, that their tactics cant realy deal with a full gouverment, as we see the imperials still beeing around and pirat running havoc far out the edges.
A middle would had solved the problem for the new republic. A mix of a view heavy hitters like star destroyers and a mixute of Tiefighter and Xwing, like the Tie advance thrawn developed. Also, a quiet effective tactic of the imperial army, having alot of smaller vesels acting as fighter defence and police force next to fighters and heavy hitters.
Hey, there’s my headband! 😆🤦♀️🤩
I would like to see a star ship that looks like a zeppelins. And a star fighters looking likes a missile shapes rockets. 😊
While the Emperor should have commissioned the Death Stars for threats he knew were coming, he should have listened to Thrawn and Vader and tabled at least the second Death Star until the Empire had a fleet of Tie Defender Elites
1:57 which one is this?
3:10 Holy stark , I’m currently reading book 2 of fire and ice ( GAme of thrones )
And indeed Winter is coming
(moaning noises in background)
Just want to add some extra nuance about the new republic- Mon Mothma is very much against military use (due to how it was used to hang terror over the top of planets) and intervention by the republic, and has been decommissioning and scrapping all the imperial stuff. Large ships are a big no. This partly contributed to the rise of the first order and Leia forming the resistance.
"Hello Allen, my name is Geration Tech" < *cue utter confusion*
I miss Costco's supreme pizza. ☹
Gosh that intro threw me into a loop
I thought that the owl lady looked like the owl from the old Tootsie Pop commercial from 40 plus years ago.
The T-47 speeder should have been made a space going fighter. At least it has room to hold an arrested perpetrator. It really the x-wing is quite big and it has that hatch at the rear.. I’m starting to think it may have paddy wagon capabilities to make an arrest!
The voice on the communicator that the Owl was speaking to sounded like Daisy Ridley.