Honda DIY Head Gasket - Vehicle Will Not Start Now
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- There is an old sayin', "Some times you get the bear and sometimes the bear get's you." In the case ogf this van the bear got the owner. He and a friend attempted to DIY their head gaskets on this 2004 Honda Odyssey and unfortunately the crank gear has two marks on. Some of you know where I am going with this.... -Enjoy!
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My first big DIY project was a timing belt on a 90 Acura Legend. I had one 100+ piece tool set from the local parts store that used for oil changes and brake work. I also had Haynes repair book for a reference. I had been given a price of $350 plus parts by friend of mine but he was working on a big project and really didn’t have time or space for my car. So I gave myself a $350 budget for tools, parts and transportation being I had no working car. It took three day ( few hours a day after work) and cost well under budget. I replaced water pump, timing belt, pulley/tensioner, is timing cover gasket, all drive belts ( 3 if I remember correctly), thermostat and coolant of course. Everything went good car ran great afterwards. I was so excited I drove straight to my friends shop to show him I did it myself And he said “ I guess you don’t need me to work on your car anymore because if you can successfully do I timing belt you should be able to handle almost anything else the car may need in it life time”. That one experience changed my life and I’m now an ASE Certified technician soon to be master technician. So timing belts have a sentimental place in my heart. Thank for the vids Eric the car guy
Man....that is a GREAT story
After doing a 5.4 3v plugs 3 times with none broken and new timing set. I might as well be one. It definitely boosted my wrenching confidence tenfold
I feel that lol. I pulled my motor (thought it was knock turned out to be the crank pulley keyway widened somehow) did it with a 50 dollar Walmart socket set and a engine crane I borrowed from my uncle that taught me that you don't need 15 million tools to do involved jobs. Just a good imagination on how to use what you got. I have the least amount of tools at work and I am just as ready to tackle something if not a little more lol. Only using 3 drawers of my roll cart
Christopher Elrod being able to do it is one thing, but being able to do it properly and efficiently is another. It can be done though, I only buy tools so that it makes it easier and faster.
Eric the car guy? Wrong channel bud.
I pulled a motor for a guy so he could get overhauled. Installed it, no start. Timing belt off, got running & then found variable cam wasn't installed correctly. Runs great. Great videos.
Very cool. Takes less time than a traditional compression test. The loose bolts sure are disconcerting.
I just finished a ‘97 CR-V head gasket. Wasn’t too hard but had to remember to NOT rotate the engine clockwise. After confirming valve timing was dead-on, I rotated the crank 90 degrees and this caused the timing belt tensioner to loosen and exhaust cam jumped two teeth. Crazy! Engine had 220,000 miles but now putts like a kitten after giving it a full service + valve adjustment.
This past November I did a Subaru flat 6 head gasket and that sucked. Engine must come out, torque converter seating was an UGH moment!
Morning Eric. Just in time for my cup o joe and now some sma. Today's gonna be a good day
Nice video. Troubleshooting is the worst.
At 65, what I've learned over many vehicles + motorcycles, DON'T buy stuff from folks that "do their own work"- because MOST don't know how to do everything correctly and thoroughly. So I always ask before I make an offer- and I stay away from weekend wrench warriors. I would rather have a PAPER trail of invoices- proving repairs and maintenance performed.
This is why I don’t buy cars from people who put cold air intake on them. They probably have done something else stupid trying to make the car faster.
why would they have a dot like that on the crank sprocket.When you were showing on your vid I was like wow they got it right and then you loosed the bomb but really it s suppose to be lined up with this triangle over here.Thanks for another informative video
I bet it'll still outlast a new Kia Sedona even on 5 cylinders.
Not on those transmissions. Give me a Kia or a Sienna. The ody is the worst honda
All those loose bolts... So they didn't assemble anything correctly. Even if they got the timing right, that thing was a time bomb waiting to detonate somewhere, sometime.
Mr. DIY wasn't "that close" to having it right- he was 90º off on the timing because he didn't READ. He also did a half assed job of reassembly with the missing / untorqued bolts and bent whatevers- he was the chief architect of his own disaster. You CANNOT get valve timing wrong- there is no forgiveness... and admittedly- I've been there but got lucky- it was on a non interference engine.
interference engines tricky-so not for inexperienced DIY jobs
-especially when torque specs NOT FOLLOWED ~~
-so I commend you for illustrating perils of POOR DIY job
interesting to see follow up video-trust engine survives
Dude, there is no way I'd crank that thing over unless i was 100 percent sure that thing was in time. Might as well junk that thing.
Think a professional mechanic is expensive? Wait till you hire an amateur do it.
What do mean that's an easy head gasket
That’s like health care. If you think health care is expensive, just wait until it is free!
Correction..." Wait 'till you try a cheap one ! "
@Alexander Hazell Canadian healthcare is the best
Alexander Hazell I wish someone would tell the idiots here who want “free” healthcare
Dude, that pico test is pretty cool. Never seen that demonstrated before. Thanks!
Wow my Subaru instructors watch each others videos 😂
Hey if he junks the car can I have the air intake for my dryer?
that silver multi-layer flex foil pipe is against most dryer venting/fire codes ;)
very funny
throttle bottle yes it is, that junk isn’t even good enough to use on a dryer.
That is the problem, they used an air outtake for an air intake.
Doom2pro they need the cold air intake, 10 horsepower and some compression back xD
The great thing about my memory going bad is that I can rewatch vids like this and its all new to me!!
I just found his channel, so I have 8 years' worth of videos to binge watch.
I can hold a fart at higher pressures that cylinder 5...
Lol! 1.92 psi
It got to be that red hot chilli bean dinner you had earlier.
Whenever I do a timing belt, I mark the old belt and the gears relative to each other. (2 or 3 marks unevenly spaced so the marking pattern for each gear is uniquely spaced) Then I transfer the marks from the old belt to the new belt. Then put it all back together. Unless the old belt wasn't on correctly, it's virtually impossible to reassemble it incorrectly this way.
All this mess just to have the transmission blow up in 20k
Tony Chariton
Yeah boy keep drinking that Honda kool-aid!!!
Meh. If you get the new ones or put a jet kit on itll be fine
Junk Honda trans
If you don't do Mrs. O's timing belt soon, you'll be going through this again.
Its been 3 yrs has he done Mrs Os belt yet? Lol
@@sendit1158 Good question...
Nahhh
@@sendit1158 She has a new van now. Easier than changing the belt. 😄
you know man as much as you may not want to admit it, you are getting better and better at explainin' things. ;-)
Great explanation. Keep the Picoscope videos coming. they are very helpful and informative.
I almost always do my own work. Everytime I have gone to a mechanic, I pay a lot of money and get poor results. I am not saying all mechanics are dishonest, but I would rather do the work myself.
The good ones are worth every penny. The trick is finding one.
I've seen two dealerships make major reinstallation mistakes (failure to reconnect an oil pump and failure to reconnect the exhaust downpipe to turbocharger) in 30 years.
I've also seen tire shops:
- overtighten lug nuts (some even claim they have a minimum lb./ft. of 85 even though the manufacturer lists it as 66)
- cross thread lug nuts
I'd rather work on my car myself. I might make a mistake, but I learn from them and I don't make such novice mistakes as failing to reconnect parts. 🙄
My advice: If you have to go into any shop for service (or recalls, which is what the turbo to downpipe connection failure was), then take pictures of your car, engine bay, and undercarriage both before and afterwards for evidence in case they monkey stuff up...
☝😉
Nobody will ever take as much care with your machine as you will. To you it's your world, to them it's a work ticket.
Can’t everybody fix cars. Someone has to clean toilets.
Fancy putting 2 marks on that sprocket thats just stupid design.
Should have had a skull, happy fish, Anime girl, silverfish, leatherbelt and throttle body symbol to make it fun (with no supplemental information) - Happy fun time sprockets.
Emoji 🎎all 🎌 the universes🏮
This is a classic reason of do not put it back together until you are sure. I just did the head gasket on a 99 Ford Escort or Mercury Tracer same car and it has a DOT and it has a pointer you always look for the pointer unless otherwise specified. Of course just does require reading. Bad design I think not bad do it yourself mechanic I think so
If you think 2 marks is crazy look at a 2.0 Tracker, the cam gears are the same turn one side out its the intake gear flip it over its the exhaust cam gear the chain is marked and you have to count links from mark on gear to the indecator
Umm even honda rolls the engine over 3 times after timing belt service. Even the best mechanics got to where they are at because of stupid mistakes. Be it theres or someone elses. Dont hate!
Maybe they were on to something? Maybe they were on something.
Ouch I can feel the valves bending
I've changed a timing belt twice from two different vehicles. This here is the reason I like to check at least three times before cranking the engine. If I'm even a little bit frustrated after the belt change, I take a break, usually around an hour. Just to calm my nerves and that way hopefully make no mistakes.
And you know its going to be a good day, when just a few hours after waking up you see that SMA Repair has uploaded a video.
rule no 1: after timing adjustment, turn over the engine by hand a few times.. this is usually included in adjusting timing belt tension... I doubt you can bend valves by hand... if it turns over easily without noise or resistance, insert plugs and fire up... should not have a problem like this
and als a DIY, double double tripple tripple check your timing
Yup, so true. Double/triple checking everything is a good habit in every repair/build job. Couple of times have found a few not so critical bolts loose on the second checking.
Stenkish I always,always turn the engine over by hand slowly,checking the marks,making sure everything it aligned properly. Any binding means STOP! Someone lined that up wrong and bent a valve. Had they turned that engine over by hand only,and slowly, they would have noticed it right away. It is always nerve wracking. My first timing job, they didn't stamp the timing mark on the timing gear so there was no way to properly time something like that. It is always bad news when you have to call the owner and tell them about the big boo boo .
Also he should have made marks with a paint marker before tearing it apart so he would have know what marks to use for sure. It looks like he skipped that step on the crank pulley which turned out to be a huge mistake. He will learn from this one i guarantee that. Poor guy i feel bad for him.
when you try to save money and end up spending more than you saved 🙄
The reason i always verify timing after a job with plugs out of the engine, so your not fighting compression and can feel if your valves are doing the knoughty. Also, appears the dude didnt didnt do his research. If your unsure, ask for help or do your research.
He didn't even tighten the bolts up on anything LOL!
I spent 20 years at Honda and saw the same timing mark error going down the assembly line.
greg warner.....What, really? Would they catch the error before it was too late?
Order a box of compression & ship it 👍
But make sure you use the good air, or god knows what might happen
Use nitrogen during break-in.
Unfortunately Dorman is the only manufacturer of boxed compression so there is a 95% chance it won't work.
Wait Eric has that rusty air,will that still work ?
...but starting with 95% blowby they'd cancel out and you'd be fine....
This job is where being one of the good guys sucks! Your gut says kick it down the line yet your heart wants to help because you feel for them...........For me jobs like this depend on the customer,if they are good folks struggling I'll do what I can.But otherwise I'll send it.
I used to be this way too but I've recently been cured of this terrible affliction by someone who just wouldn't take good advice. Now I operate a principle of simply uttering "That's a damn shame" when people inform me of their problems with which I could assist and I'm sure they'll actually learn nothing from it.
Send it where? 😀
@@TonyRule thats just bc noone trusts mechanics. everyone has been robbed by a mechanic before
A wiser man than I, a long time ago, warned me against fixing someone else's fix. Even if you fix the immediate problem you "own" everything that goes wrong with it from then on. My experience has shown this to be true. Loose screws and bolts are a very worrisome sign of bad, bad, bad karma. Be careful.
No bad karma. Just a dumbass worked on it before you.
Oh yea, i can hear the customer now "The, insert completely unrelated problem, worked fine before you worked on our car, so what are you going to do about?"
Most shops have a waiver
Eric O. could probably get at least 10,000 subscribers to testify as character witnesses...I know I would
Known as a since you customer as in sin e you fixed my brakes, the transmission died
Now his screw-up is memorialized on youtube forever!!! Good side is there's a distinct possibility this video saved others.
That scope is pretty nifty. A lot of math involved there. Being able to measure the compression of one cylinder then using it to calculate the compression on all the rest is something I never thought would be made a thing. I know it can't be totally accurate but it's probably pretty close. I was a big math geek in high school and I like seeing math put to work in real-world applications.
We fix our mistakes for free. Fixing your mistakes is gonna cost ya.
Interference engines are money especially when shady mechanic mess them up I love them
90 degs off?
Just crush it.
No way an interference engine dodges that bullet.
is it an interference engine havent seen the vid yet
@@unchained_0177 Hondas usually are according to Kilmer
@@bazza2540 ty
@@gtzgreatride • All Honda engines are interference except 3.0L & 3.2 which are Non-interference
@@bazza2540 • All Honda engines are interference except 3.0L & 3.2 which are Non-interference
if all the bolt were loose. the head bolts might be too
I thought that also. Noticed compression on two of the cylinders (as well as the failed one at 1.7psi) were down) - one at 190psi and the other at 187psi. Maybe the cylinder head gasket for those cylinders was leaking -- or maybe it was just the valves. Did they attempt to grind the valves?
@@alantorrance6153 187 vs 197 PSI is in no way a difference significant enough on a relative compression test to warrant even a second glance.
@@wrenchposting9097 An engine builder agrees with you.
After you said you were getting vibes - I could see what you were thinking written all over your face haha 👍
Gotta be _really_ careful with the valve timing, especially on interference engines. If it were me doing it, I'd figure out some way of locking the crank and camshafts in place so they can't rotate before removing the timing belt/chain, or add my own marks with some paint or a centerpunch, just to make sure.
Barring over the engine by hand before trying to start it is a good idea, I'll have to remember that. :-)
Any recommendations on what mileage you should change an Ecotec's timing chain at? Mine's got about 150k, and I plan on pulling the powertrain out soon to replace the clutch, thinking about replacing the timing chain and maybe the water pump while they're easy to get to.
Funny enough you say you'd find a way to lock it out. People do that with rods all the time, I've seen a dude do it with a stick.
I heard the cranking sound in the beginning and I realized that this is an expensive mistake made.
Prolly sounded a LOT worse when the owner cranked it over trying to start it up for 20-30 minutes giving it plenty of gas pedal action wondering why it wouldnt start, by the time the garage got the car the valves were pretty much pre-broken in to the piston tops- literally LOL!
Ya know -- they make books that cost like twenny bucks that you can get at the auto parts stores. Guy name "Haynes" writes 'em. They tell you all about timing marks & stuff. Whenever I start to work on a vehicle like with technical stuff like those fancy "Timing Marks" -- well I always get me a Haynes manual. Cheap insurance, I say.
Mitchel, Alldata, etc also sell DIY subscriptions for just the car you own.
I shall investigate these fresh new sources of auto information. God bless the internet.
One thing I've learned is that you never ever ever ever use a Haynes or Chilton manual. The information in those books are incorrect. Only use a factory Honda OEM shop manual. I did a timing belt job using the Haynes book and the timing they suggested was totally wrong. Had I put the timing belt in and set the timing the way the Haynes book told me I would have toasted the valves when I cranked it over.
@Steve Christianson is RIGHT. I've poured over Chiltons and Haynes manuals before...and come away more confused than ever about timing/cam issues. That's why I've never torn into an engine. I've taken apart everything else successfully except engine and transmission.
Chilton was the best, but have bought haynes..lol
Eric O. , if I owned a Hondoo you would be the one to work on it. Even if it meant trailering 675 miles to your shop. A very thorough explanation today. Sorry for the customer that made the fatal mistake. I could see how he missed the timing mark .
The reason I'm so down on the guy has nothing to do with the timing mark. Shit happens. What about missing hoses and loose bolts - like maybe head bolts. A mistake is a mistake. Crappy workmanship is different from a mistake.
Harry said, “A man got to know his limitations.”
argue for your limitations and they are yours
why do it yourself if you don't know.....? if you can't afford to do it right the first time you certainly won't afford it the second time
Do I see a dryer duct for the air intake ?
Yes, yes you do....
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@Vladimir Putin - Did he have Ivan at Pine Hollow work on it first?
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this is why I never buy cars that use timing belts,i hate them,i can do timing belts but id rather not deal with them.chains rule
The reason why the car did not start was not because it is a belt driven engine but because whoever did the job was stupid, belt or chain he would have made the same mistake.
If a guy can't get the timing marks correct after a cylinder head job it will make no difference if it is a timing belt or a chain driven engine, he would still make the same mistake, replacing a belt is normally easier/quicker than doing a chain.
@Bobby Brady Bobby Brady Missing the point? Please, use your common sense. Do timing chains last forever, are there no engines with timing chain issues? Do yourself a favour and do a quick search on timing chain issues, BMW, VW, Audi, Mini, Mercedes etc have a LOT of timing chain issues and need a lot of chain replacements.If a timing belt is replaced in time as scheduled it is a much cheaper and easier job than to replace a chain.
Secondly, the car in the video had a head gasket replaced, for that job the cylinder head needs to be removed and the engine being an OHC the timing chain or belt will thus also need removing and replacing. So my point that the car did not start because it was not a belt problem per se is corect, the idiot that did the job did not set the valve timing correct, why would you expect that if it was a chain driven camshaft he would have done it correct but messed up because it was a belt?
@Bobby Brady I made my original post in reply to pupupipichorro relief
's comment: "this is why I never buy cars that use timing belts" his comment made it sound as if the problem with the car in the video was because it had a belt and not a chain, hence my reply that the problem that the car in the video did not start was not because it was a timing chain problem per se.
My comment did not mention what I prefer or what I reckon is the best, a belt or a chain, simply that the car in the video would have had the problem even if it was a chain and not a belt driven engine. Is it that hard to comprehend something simple as that?
Gotta chime in here... The "original problem" was the engine needed head gaskets. To do that you have to take off the timing belt or chain - whatever the car has. The point Philip Koen was making is that belt or chain...it had to come off and then go back on CORRECTLY. The "new problem" was caused by the timing not being correct after reassembly. Someone did not get the timing correct after the head work. Belt or chain doesn't matter. If you can remove heads and get valve work done without removing timing chains you should patent this process.
I used to think that way too, but I bought a 2010 Chevrolet Traverse, which has not one, but THREE timing chains, and the 2009-2010 GM 3.6 V6 is notorious for wearing them out and causing cam position error codes. Replacing them involves dropping the whole front end to get the engine out, usually on the order of a $3000 repair. It involves disconnecting brake lines, A/C lines, and is an awful job even for the dealer. Having found out they were known for this problem, I changed my oil religiously every 5,000 with Dexos approved oil, even though it wasn't officially called for yet in 2010, and checked it frequently. Mine made it to 170,000 miles before the dreaded problem showed up, but it was uneconomical to repair and I'd had enough of its other notorious problems. Bought a Honda Pilot to replace it. Yes, it has a belt, but I'm capable of doing it myself for a couple hundred bucks and it doesn't involve pulling the engine. I just hope my wife's P.O.S. Equinox doesn't have timing chain problems; apparently the Ecotec 2.4 is also known for wearing out timing chains. Maybe timing chains aren't as bulletproof as they seemed, and timing belts aren't as bad as I thought.
Great video thanks brother. I like the way you break it down for us. Keep up the great work see you in the next video
Bye bye, valvetrain pie.
Get a top end and some pistons and kiss it goodbye.
You screwed the timing
On an interference, guy.
This engine done died.
This old engine done died.
Keep the great videos coming you definitely have a talent with people and explaining things. You are probably one of the best UA-camrs out there
Sure a lot of broken Hondas on the diag channels lately. Do you guys have a clan meeting and pick a make of the week? Maybe this is a bad astrological period for them? "Dis ees Miss Cleo and ima tellin' you dat you no driva da Hondoo dis week!"
If it's an older North American vehicle, just junk it. It's not worth anything and something else will break next month anyway...
Eddie the Grouch it's like Ivan with all the Subi's... lol. I would love an older Honda myself!
Everyone I know who has a Honda van, have experienced a lot of major breakdowns. Their transmissions are terrible as well. I used to own a 2004 Accord with a V6. It was the absolute worst vehicle I ever had.
I once did a timing belt replacement on a Honda that came from the "Rust Belt". The vehicle was obviously never garaged. All the aluminum engine parts were covered with white flaky crust. Many bolts were "fused" solid. I had to cut them off and re-thread. I was a Honda from hell. From then on, I tried to avoid Honda products. Their lawnmower engines are pretty decent though.
Honda and Toyota both attract people who don't know much or anything about cars other than they prefer ones that work for a long time without a bunch of money spent, and when they get to the 3rd/4th/5th owner, that level of care gets less and less and they're eventually driven into submission.
RIP Miss Cleo
Great vid! Loving the fact that you're sharing the pico files with us. Always love seeing that stuff. Thanks a bunch Eric, it's appreciated.
Hey, Mister- will you please FINNISH the work "someone else" started? OMG I HATED THAT. The second you touch it- you own it. Thank God you've got stuff on video. Well- at this point he might as well give you the business; everything is already loose, you've diagnosed it 99.99%, it's pissin on your floor- and you've already got one video out of it. Seems logical to me. At least with you- it'll be done right.
I did the timing belt on my 2003 Odyssey and followed the factory service manual. It started right up the first time. The instructions weren't difficult. I torqued everything to spec. Maybe I'm OCD. Maybe I don't want to junk a car for being an idiot.
Wow! Ive actually been there not that long ago but i got extremely lucky! It was a Non Interference engine. I got the camshaft mark off. Never understood why they put 2 marks. Ah well. Now I know. It was a 1995 Geo 3cylinder engine i was working on. Next I will be doing the clutch.
Like many people today the owner probably watched a couple UA-cam head gasket videos and thought that made him a master tech.
Nutz4Gunz45 If you don't have the right tools and know EVERYTHING there's to know to do the job correctly, DON'T do it! Even tightening the head bolts incorrectly will cause a leak. Then the head comes off again. If you drove it enough to warp the heads, then it costs 3 times as much!
Should of watched them for a few days to fully study how to do it properly
Honestly if you're going to be serious about it, get a cheap beater to learn on, get your main vehicle serviced unless you're confident..
At least go to the junkyard and experiment on those cars before touching the one you drive
@@rickyharris9897
Afterwards you are not going to do it again.
My experience loose. Lots everywhere is never good because it's a sign who ever worked on it didn't care if it had issues more like they were just fixing it to sell it and get rid of it not sure the history of it but I can feel the frustration as well big bucks to do head gaskets and boom never rums again over a timing issue good video as always Eric O @SouthMainAutoRepairLLC
I had initially misread the description as "Some times you get the beer and sometimes the beer gets you." Which on a DIY head gasket job surprisingly still works as a saying.
I have a 2006 Mustang v6 and it cranks but won’t start. It started with me having a blown head gasket and after I put the motor and eveything back together it wouldn’t start. I’ve had people say it’s out of time and a lot of other stuff. What could it be?
Great work as usual, sucks for the owner but UA-cam and other recordings give some a false sense of security when It comes to automotive repair. This can happen to a professional but highly unlikely as mechanical TDC alignment and verification is key for anyone that does this for a living. A man(or woman) has to know their limitations.
What? You sayin' I can't replace my AC compressor after watching a three minute Scotty Kilmer vijayo??
Well spoken Clint.
Why would anyone think it's okay for their first head gasket repair to be a DOHC? Got a bolt pattern and a torque wrench? Let's do this!
I think its time to say to the customer you need a new engine mate
It was a pleasure meeting you. You and Keith are both honest outstanding guys
It took me a couple of seconds to guess as to why all the bolts are so loose as you said; most likely what had happened was when he tightened everything down, he did it to inch-pounds instead of foot pounds.
I wonder if the heads are torqued .when a repair fails and causes major damage they usually give up. I feel for the guy and yes they usually give out bad vibes. as your pulling them in your mind keeps telling you , no good outcome
recommend whole engine or send it to bone yard/auction lol.
I like that dryer vent. They could turn that thing upward like a snorkel and take that bitch off-roading into some deep water.
This is why I buy cars with chain driven camshafts; change the oil & filter before recommendations.
...understand all the steps to a job - before you touch it.....
and that only covers the stuff you can imagine..
The foil Intake tune is very creative For sure Eric O @SouthMainAutoRepairLLC
Guess those bolts weren't "torqued to spec".
Great diag video with the Pressure Transducer Eric O @SouthMainAutoRepairLLC
Love the JB weld behind the cam pulley, must have been a great shop that rebuilt those heads.
Jeremiah Dillingham I saw that too. Was it sealer or JB. I would question head bolt torque next.
I'd guess "grey " silicone for the OD of seals
those are just backing plates for the timing gear. the bigger questing is how did they get broken? either way that van is a hot mess.
At least the baked potato air intake is good for 5HP. The more I see the Pico capabilities, the more I think I need to sneak one into my toolbox. Excellent video yet again Eric!
Emil Gawaziuk oh cmon that dryer vent is good for at least 10 hp. If he buys one of them vortex spacers it’s good for another 5 horse.
tom h
Ha!
You always spin an engine over by hand after a timing job, at least a few turns to make sure it is in time.
Good to know. Triangle to triangle. Don't recall other videos mentioning that detail. Thanks so much for that info. Will keep it locked up in my noodle which is great as long as I can remember where I put the key to unlock it. Thanks Eric feel better👍
If the engine sets sideways dont buy it if it has rubber timing chain walk on by
If you decide to youll be buying that Cadillac for the money pit is done
I love Eric’s one liners. They always make me chuckle. “Oh boy...”
I messed up my first timing belt job (lined everything up correctly, but left the tensioner bolts loose). Thankfully I caught it in time and was able to save it. You live and you learn. This customer should be proud that he at least tried to do something that would intimidate many seasoned DIY guys.
Always manually turn over rebuilt engine before starting.
I'm sure you hear this a lot but I wish your shop was closer to where I or especially my Mother and Sister live.
That ain't no joke!
this is why I always gently bar the engine over after a timing job. Just incase.
“A Man’s got to know his limitations” Clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry
Couldn't you take the plugs out , and put a tiny cam in the cylinders to see if it had damage?
Awesome compression test. Those PIco's are impressive.
Never seen that done or knew it existed. That has to be pretty handy.
I’m a DIY guy? Changed transmissions. Head gaskets. Brakes. Roters. Spark plugs and a lot more stuff and saved a so much money. Just listen and do it right. Literally following instructions.
I'd put my money on a HF Torque wrench. I used one of those on Struts one time and almost had my front end come off. they seriously under report specs... I use the Guttentight method now, and if there is a mandatory torque spec, I use a better torque wrench.
I hear you but I must share this...I have a 1/4", 3/8", and a 1/2" torque wrench...all from Harbor Freight (Pittsburgh brand). I've owned/used them for about 7 years. I recently had their calibration tested by my quality engineer friend at his work. Without making any adjustments, they all tested accurate within 1%...far better than the 4% that they advertise. I was shocked. I had no idea they'd be that close. For what it's worth, I always store them looser than their lowest setting when not in use.
Seek & Repair mine is certainly not calibrated. I've never had it tested though. I do keep mine loose when not in use too. Just know I "clicked" those bolts on the struts. And next day they were less than finger tight. Scared the crap out of me!
the downfall is, people use adapters, extensions, loose sockets, don't clean the threads, is the spec lubed or dry? it all makes a world of difference :)
@@seekrepair5887 I have their 3/8 and had not even noticed it was made in Taiwan not China. That I thinks seems to be the difference. I just used that on my Miata water pump and timing belt change. I use my dad's older Craftsman torque wrench for the larger bolts. Nothing has fallen off yet.
i hate timing belts
An easily avoidable mistake on any car...whether you're doing heads or just belt. Set the engine to TDC before you remove ANYTHING, and don't move anything after the belt is removed. Then simply reinstall all removed parts, and recheck that you are still on TDC. Somebody clearly went out of their way to move the crankshaft here while the belt was off. Hondas are especially easy so it blows my mind that you could mess this up. The crank keyway at 12:00, rear cam mark at 12:00, and front cam lined up with #1.
Every video you put out reinforces what we all already know.. You sir...Are the F'ing man.. The people of Avoca are lucky to have you
If your not sure you know what you are doing pay a professional. #LifeLessons
From the second you said "loose bolts" i thought oh shit the head bolts are going to be all wrong!!.
i'm no car mechanic but there are rules and torque settings that must be in spec for an engine to work correctly.
The timing setup is in workshop manuals, how could someone not do research before doing the job?.
zx8401ztv the fact the person who did the repair didn't seem to check his work by hand, is a huge sign on its own! Even when I 1st started out 20+ yrs (only a tween) with no training, I always checked my work by hand.. and then I'd wanna tinkle right before the 1st crank, I was always so nervous! Lol But I say, even after all these yrs, that 1st crank after a major engine repair still makes me nervous! 😅😅
The trouble is your own mind starts to think of things you may not have done correctly, i'm sure the brain likes panic lol :-D
I have had to go back on things i have repaired, as my memory is playing hide and seek with the truth :-D.
The item was always fine, but i have to check.
Perhaps you can do a manual crank ... oh you do, your brain likes panic too lol :-D
zx8401ztv lol...yes I totally agree, it's all in my head. I tend to 2nd guess myself, etc. But even after checking and verifying all is OK, I just can't help it. Only slight improvement over the years. Sounds you 100% understand what I go through though! 😁😁
Yes i do, you have to remember that we are all the same animal, but some people just cover up there fright with a mask or smile :-D.
The worst thing is thinking that you are fully in control and an expert.
That's a path to everything going wrong, also in front of your frends :-D.
I've seen that effect with computers, i say "Look i've fixed the pc." and the god of computers decides otherwise :-D.
Oh, the machine works fine after your frends have gone.
I figure it's about being patient when the job seems to be almost done. When I first did a head replacement, I had to force myself to check everything by hand - I _really_ wanted to believe that I could crank it and it would just burst into life. It seemed to be pretty common amongst self-taught/DIYers when I was a kid - can't imagine people have changed all that much since then.
Love the content being a mechanic myself love watching not doing once in awhile
I wouldn't trust the repaired done on this engine for one minute. This was done by a freakin monkey no doubt. With all the loose bolts it had, having the timing off, I have serious doubts the heads were even torqued down correctly if they were torqued down at all. Whoever did this head job doesn't need to do another one, he shouldn't even be working on vehicles.
makes good content to see what shops have to deal with on a daily basis; at least this customer gave him a heads up on the possible botched job
Classic 'basket case'... in my experience these always end up as perpetual nightmares; there is absolutely no telling what was/wasn't done. Even recall my old c. 60's 'auto shop' instructor [1] waving his finger while saying never get involved. Personally when presented with these, I graciously thank the owner/operator for thinking of me and diplomatically let them know such 'jobs' just aren't viable candidates for my services.
[1] Don Kyle; Uni High, Los Angeles, CA. Extremely nice & knowledgeable guy, fantastic educator!
Being a professional shadetree mechanic I remember doing one of these on a friend of my sons. He says yeah dads done a bunch of these. I said “ive never done one of these”. But I did the job and it turned out great.
Why did Honda put 2 marks on a sprocket?
So you could screw it up
@@timmybohannon93 Good response.