Still think it's a bad idea to race with cars & motorcycles at the same time. You can see in this video that almost every rider uses the cars as a reference, which is a costly mistake due to the different braking points and corner speeds. It's just unnecessary dangerous to do so.
A lot of the riders are often following cars and forget they simply don't have the braking performance at this double 90° corner. Then those that overun can be divided into two camps...those that instinctively try the front brake, which on grass is fatal, and those that either use engine braking or gentle rear brake.
As a lifelong sportbike rider it's beyond my comprehension to be out there riding aggressively amongst bunch of car drivers of unknown experience trying to do the same thing. Motorcycle gear protects you against hitting pavement, not from getting crushed under the wheels of a car.
Unfassbar ist das!!! Lehrfilm für die Fahrschule!!! Wie viele sich hier absolut überschätzen, bei total beschissenen Verhältnissen weit über ihre Grenzen gehe …. Das ist unglaublich! Ganz ehrlich, man müsste sogar nachdenken, ob die überhaupt geeignet sind, Motorräder zu führen?!?!!
Been riding for 34 years and when I learned it was standard procedure to actually corner on the corners . These are the ones that talk about going everywhere at 160mph and front wheel never touched ground
Mich nicht. Sind die gleichen Typen die auf der Strasse den "Supersportler" geben und wie die blöden fahren. Da auf dem Ring allerdings wird denen gezeigt dass posen und Rennfahrer sein was ganz verschiedenes ist. Oder: Man sieht hier dass es schon immer etwas teurer ist ein Vollidiot zu sein. Ich King - Ich Agostini - Ich Fussgänger
Can anyone say anything about the asphalt condition? It really looks to me like 50% of the time the asphalt is way too smooth. I suspect that the brake dust settles in the curves, which is then also always compacted by the cars. Apart from that, most drivers probably don't have proper vision and overestimate their skills immeasurably. Let's see if I ever drive on the Ring. If then very early, when they have just opened.
These bikes can handle it fine - the riders are bad and don't know how to navigate that corner. They are all coming in way too hot and turning too late or not at all. They should be 3/4 off their bike on the straight just before and slowing way down - trail brake in to the corner and quickly getting set up for the quick flick to the other side. They all choose horrible lines and try to turn after the fact or give too much throttle while leaned over which is causing all the lowsides.
Their body position is all wrong. The entire upper body is above the bike with arms stretched out, while the knee is out and butt slid over slightly. That's the worst you can do. One third of the total weight is the rider so it makes a huge difference. On top of that not being gentle enough with the brake and throttle inputs and you are on the ground, regardless of the asphalt conditions.
It's really hard to tell from the video in my opinion. Yes, most of the riders overestimate their possibilities and don't know how to ride fast properly, but it's surprising how quickly they lose front tire grip on some of those videos. I'm never aiming to ride on the ring. Aside from the fact cars don't know motorcycle lines which is really dangerous, it's a quite long track. On smaller tracks you can go slower first, check how the bike behaves on all corners and you can speed up 2 minutes later on next lap knowing the traction is fine and you can handle it. At some point you'll feel that on some corners the tire is already giving up. On the ring you'd need to spend much more time to know all of that.
It's over the crest, the first tight one after a bunch of faster ones, it catches you by surprise if you don't know the track well enough. Then many riders either lock the front trying to make the corner or just go straight and hope that you don't wipe out in the grass. Neat.
If I were in the situation it would take me a minute to remember. I would probably try to pick it up like a bicycle at first, like many of them do, and then remember the correct way. That kind of adrenaline can fog your mind.
Tip ; ride it , don't race it ! Race other tracks when it's bikes only. The Ring ; just be a tourist visit the shop/museum , but racing is no fun here.
This is a great to have both cars and motorcycles at the same race! Cars of course can push motorcycles off the track easier but on the other hand motorcycles have better ability to evade cars.
All these riders need to go to a proper track day and take some lessons from the pros. None of them seem to know how to navigate corners properly, choosing bad lines, not prepping before the corner or giving way too much throttle in the worst spots possible causing the back end to get loose causing the lowsides.
only bikes is more dangerous! just look at some of those idiots. Imagine you ride the Adenauer Forst chicane like your supposed to and one of those go straight and crash right into you. There are even people crashing and dying at the "Anlassen" event on the Nordschleife, which is a church mass and they are supposed to cruise over the Nordschleife. And on a bike you have also mirrors and see cars approach, I let rfaster casr pass on the straights, so I don't have situations like with the subaru. Even though I'm faster on straights than most cars there......
War letztes Jahr für 3 Runden dort. Voraussetzungen waren unter der Woche, halbwegs warm und trocken. Ja, die Runde ist teuer und die erste war quasi verschenkt, trotzdem extrem lehrreich weil dennoch mit Überraschungen gespickt. Das brutalste war Anbremsen vor ner Kurve, bei dem mich eine Bodenwelle hart aus dem Sattel gehoben hat. Hartes Anbremsen in der Freizeit hat auch nix mit hartem Anbremsen auf dem Ring zu tun, ich war erstaunt welche hohen Kräfte auf den Körper, insbesondere die Handgelenke wirken und wie schnell man als absoluter Neuling "ausgelaugt" ist. Bei über 200 Sachen bergab hinein in eine Senke anbremsen, da bist Du selbst noch vor den physikalischen Möglichkeiten Deines Motorrads erschöpft. Bremspunkt einschätzen? Oft schwierig. Mit Autos mithalten? Wo denkst Du hin!? Als Neuling aufm Ring den Macker markieren? Ich bin doch nicht lebensmüde... Die Strecke kannst Du nur heizen, wenn Du dort wohnst und regelmäßig "trainierst", denn nix anderes ist das. Dagegen ist der Rundkurs ein Kindergeburtstag. Ich bin froh dort heil wieder raus zu sein. Aber Spaß hats gemacht! 😅
Ein ( illegaler) lauter Auspuff ist nicht alles und gerade aus fahren kann jeder. Vorab ein Fahrsicherheitstraining ist auf alle Fälle empfehlenswert, # Flucht ins Gelände. Man sieht hier wunderschön, eklatante Fahrfehler. Hoffe, niemand ist körperlich zu Schaden gekommen👍
Last place i ride a bike is the ring. loads of cars mainly road legal so no track focused mods such as catch trays ect slightest bit of coolant leak or any other fluids and its game over for you if your on a bike 😮
What you don´t see is that these people have no means to come home any longer:) Also laughable is, that they think they can learn how to ride fast at the second most difficult track in the World... after the Isle of Man.
You are all criticising the riders and I did too, but then when many came off without doing much wrong it , to me, became obvious there is something very wrong with the grip levels of the road. Oil perhaps. The ones straightening up sensed it early.
hoffe, alle Fahrer haben es gut überstanden! Sehe ihr einige Fahrfehler aber besser hier auf der Rennstrecke als im Odenwald und co da sind auch einige hobbyrennfaher unterwegs
to many idiots that think they are racing drivers, theres more to riding a bike fast,its called control and you need to know how to slow down using the fronts brake as well as the rear,those that have no idea deserve all they get
Soooo many silly situations in one video I can’t handle it. 2:41 why can’t he just go away and wait for someone, if he went off the track it’s possible that a car can come off the track and smash him into the orbit.
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1:15 - that's one hell of a save!
crazy
Just luck
Impreza guy would be getting a serious wording back in the pits after that
3:18 find that Subaru in the pit later
Better not!
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@@nixda2179 why not?
3:16 flikker! Stay behind! Dont overtake.. bikes have different lines
80% of these crashes can be summed up with target fixation, complete lack of front-brake usage and overkill speeds.
and apparently lack of track knowledge. these riders are just awful.
@@halcyon_studio I was going to include this. They clearly have never even glanced at a track map or guide.
Also awful body position
Big riders at small bike😅😅
Sorry Mr Rossi
Still think it's a bad idea to race with cars & motorcycles at the same time. You can see in this video that almost every rider uses the cars as a reference, which is a costly mistake due to the different braking points and corner speeds. It's just unnecessary dangerous to do so.
Yeah and its on nordschleife its double the danger
A lot of the riders are often following cars and forget they simply don't have the braking performance at this double 90° corner. Then those that overun can be divided into two camps...those that instinctively try the front brake, which on grass is fatal, and those that either use engine braking or gentle rear brake.
--- one would think the 3-in-a-row idiots at 1:04 would have learned something and not done it again at 5:04
and the idiot driver who hit the biker .
As a lifelong sportbike rider it's beyond my comprehension to be out there riding aggressively amongst bunch of car drivers of unknown experience trying to do the same thing. Motorcycle gear protects you against hitting pavement, not from getting crushed under the wheels of a car.
A lot of the mc drivers are as unexerience as well, just look at the video.....
@RulleRolf of course but motorcycles are not a threat to the lives of the car drivers.
1:03 LMAO That's why you don't follow, you race. Eyes on track.
3:15 こんなスバル乗りと同じサーキット走らなきゃいけないのは、怖すぎる。
This reminds me never to buy any secondhand motorbike in Germany
It survived the Green Hell - what an honour to ride her. Should be doubled in price!
Think only Germans go to the ring?
I saw a lot of yellow license plates as well..😬
Then i suggest you only buy new.
Imagine taking your pride and joy to the Nurburgring and ending up on a crash fail compilation.
Its not enough to buy a Arai helmet and ride 10 times a year 😄
Unfassbar ist das!!!
Lehrfilm für die Fahrschule!!!
Wie viele sich hier absolut überschätzen, bei total beschissenen Verhältnissen weit über ihre Grenzen gehe ….
Das ist unglaublich!
Ganz ehrlich, man müsste sogar nachdenken, ob die überhaupt geeignet sind, Motorräder zu führen?!?!!
at least they all had a smashing time
The people who didnt crash had a wheelie nice time.
Been riding for 34 years and when I learned it was standard procedure to actually corner on the corners .
These are the ones that talk about going everywhere at 160mph and front wheel never touched ground
😂
Das schmerzt in der Seele
Mich nicht. Sind die gleichen Typen die auf der Strasse den "Supersportler" geben und wie die blöden fahren.
Da auf dem Ring allerdings wird denen gezeigt dass posen und Rennfahrer sein was ganz verschiedenes ist.
Oder: Man sieht hier dass es schon immer etwas teurer ist ein Vollidiot zu sein.
Ich King - Ich Agostini - Ich Fussgänger
Can anyone say anything about the asphalt condition? It really looks to me like 50% of the time the asphalt is way too smooth. I suspect that the brake dust settles in the curves, which is then also always compacted by the cars.
Apart from that, most drivers probably don't have proper vision and overestimate their skills immeasurably.
Let's see if I ever drive on the Ring. If then very early, when they have just opened.
These bikes can handle it fine - the riders are bad and don't know how to navigate that corner. They are all coming in way too hot and turning too late or not at all. They should be 3/4 off their bike on the straight just before and slowing way down - trail brake in to the corner and quickly getting set up for the quick flick to the other side. They all choose horrible lines and try to turn after the fact or give too much throttle while leaned over which is causing all the lowsides.
Their body position is all wrong. The entire upper body is above the bike with arms stretched out, while the knee is out and butt slid over slightly. That's the worst you can do. One third of the total weight is the rider so it makes a huge difference. On top of that not being gentle enough with the brake and throttle inputs and you are on the ground, regardless of the asphalt conditions.
It's really hard to tell from the video in my opinion. Yes, most of the riders overestimate their possibilities and don't know how to ride fast properly, but it's surprising how quickly they lose front tire grip on some of those videos. I'm never aiming to ride on the ring. Aside from the fact cars don't know motorcycle lines which is really dangerous, it's a quite long track. On smaller tracks you can go slower first, check how the bike behaves on all corners and you can speed up 2 minutes later on next lap knowing the traction is fine and you can handle it. At some point you'll feel that on some corners the tire is already giving up. On the ring you'd need to spend much more time to know all of that.
My Oppinion Sir! I think the Track is slippery for small Motorbiketyres.?!
Real experts...😂
When a noob gets an R1 4:47
It's over the crest, the first tight one after a bunch of faster ones, it catches you by surprise if you don't know the track well enough. Then many riders either lock the front trying to make the corner or just go straight and hope that you don't wipe out in the grass. Neat.
It honestly is one of the weirdest parts of the track. Almost doesn't feel like a racetrack any more.
That rollback must spend all day circulating on the track😂
I thought the nurburging prohibits showing wrecks on UA-cam.
The Ring is simply just not a safe place to ride a bike…..period.
Relax. It’s a race and people know the dangers. Risk is a part of all racing LOL
Hier gibts nur einen Gewinner , die Fa. KFZ-Bongard 😁
Went to the ring before the pandemic.... appeared most of the riders were older guys out to try n prove something...
Bit sad really....
Plannedemic, wake up
Some of these riders need to watch a video on how to pick up a downed bike. With a proper technique a small female can upright a Harley.
If I were in the situation it would take me a minute to remember. I would probably try to pick it up like a bicycle at first, like many of them do, and then remember the correct way. That kind of adrenaline can fog your mind.
your videos are a must-watch for anyone looking to learn and enjoy!
Es gibt schlechtes Wetter, die Holländer fliegen wieder so tief.
05:00 is there a sign that says Please take a right? why the hell does everyone drive over the grass??
because you don't see where the track is going and they all think it follows the barrier.......
All the gear no idea 🤣
this video make me sad nobody help him poor guy but be proud of you and never stop !
With this amount of squids in Europe, I can’t even imagine the carnage at an American Nurburgring
After watching this video.... I STILL desperately want to ride this LEGENDARY track with my bikes. 🤪
Be careful ! 👍
Tip ; ride it , don't race it !
Race other tracks when it's bikes only.
The Ring ; just be a tourist visit the shop/museum , but racing is no fun here.
This is a great to have both cars and motorcycles at the same race! Cars of course can push motorcycles off the track easier but on the other hand motorcycles have better ability to evade cars.
to the black zzr 1200 rider,props for hauling that beast back off the deck,i know what it's like to pick one up.bloody heavy thing.
You can tell who learned to ride off-road, and who did not.
So many poor drivers, crazy...
1.03 Rider fixation causes follow the leader. Dont look where you dont want to go.
3:17 ライダー、命懸けすぎる🥶
All these riders need to go to a proper track day and take some lessons from the pros. None of them seem to know how to navigate corners properly, choosing bad lines, not prepping before the corner or giving way too much throttle in the worst spots possible causing the back end to get loose causing the lowsides.
@ 8:40 this is the part where you push the bike away, not hold on with your kunfu grip. 😂
1:19 now my pants are brown 😂😂
So much talent 😅
manny parts of track looks like frozen ice on the street :-o
Cars and Motorbike same time is to DANGER für the Bikers !
only bikes is more dangerous! just look at some of those idiots. Imagine you ride the Adenauer Forst chicane like your supposed to and one of those go straight and crash right into you. There are even people crashing and dying at the "Anlassen" event on the Nordschleife, which is a church mass and they are supposed to cruise over the Nordschleife. And on a bike you have also mirrors and see cars approach, I let rfaster casr pass on the straights, so I don't have situations like with the subaru. Even though I'm faster on straights than most cars there......
those parts do not only look like ice (lot of different greacy fluids from leaking / crashed cars)
Alle wilde Kerle aber hauptsache ,the doctor' aufkleber 😂
"Hi Honey, did you have fun? Where's your bike?"
they sould all start with riding mx, so you learn the basic physics from strach. never seen so many front lockup mistakes
As long as it’s only the bike damaged 🤞
War letztes Jahr für 3 Runden dort. Voraussetzungen waren unter der Woche, halbwegs warm und trocken. Ja, die Runde ist teuer und die erste war quasi verschenkt, trotzdem extrem lehrreich weil dennoch mit Überraschungen gespickt. Das brutalste war Anbremsen vor ner Kurve, bei dem mich eine Bodenwelle hart aus dem Sattel gehoben hat. Hartes Anbremsen in der Freizeit hat auch nix mit hartem Anbremsen auf dem Ring zu tun, ich war erstaunt welche hohen Kräfte auf den Körper, insbesondere die Handgelenke wirken und wie schnell man als absoluter Neuling "ausgelaugt" ist. Bei über 200 Sachen bergab hinein in eine Senke anbremsen, da bist Du selbst noch vor den physikalischen Möglichkeiten Deines Motorrads erschöpft. Bremspunkt einschätzen? Oft schwierig. Mit Autos mithalten? Wo denkst Du hin!? Als Neuling aufm Ring den Macker markieren? Ich bin doch nicht lebensmüde... Die Strecke kannst Du nur heizen, wenn Du dort wohnst und regelmäßig "trainierst", denn nix anderes ist das. Dagegen ist der Rundkurs ein Kindergeburtstag. Ich bin froh dort heil wieder raus zu sein. Aber Spaß hats gemacht! 😅
So many drivers who hold their bike tight when falling - crazy and dangerous!
Ein ( illegaler) lauter Auspuff ist nicht alles und gerade aus fahren kann jeder. Vorab ein Fahrsicherheitstraining ist auf alle Fälle empfehlenswert, # Flucht ins Gelände. Man sieht hier wunderschön, eklatante Fahrfehler. Hoffe, niemand ist körperlich zu Schaden gekommen👍
Empfehlenswert ist auch zu lernen wie man ein Bike aufhebt
Don't you just love these clowns 😂
lots of those crash are the cause of incompatible gasket between the seat at the handlebar
Last place i ride a bike is the ring. loads of cars mainly road legal so no track focused mods such as catch trays ect slightest bit of coolant leak or any other fluids and its game over for you if your on a bike 😮
correct!
Amazing...
1:17 Fresh underpants needed after that 😃
This is what happens when your only previous bike experience is popping to the shops.
someone please explain me why so many bikes cut / or miss curve on that specific curve?
8:35 that guy's a legend
One of the coolest ways to redeem yourself for sure
And they all went back home on Flixbus
1:15 Alter... wie nice
3:17
Yup that driver was a d**k, there was no need for such a dangerous move - no regard at all :(
What you don´t see is that these people have no means to come home any longer:)
Also laughable is, that they think they can learn how to ride fast at the second most difficult track in the World... after the Isle of Man.
Ist die Strecke nass?
those mass-production cars are losing a lot of different fluids (oil, cooling liquid etc.) - they are not build to race
Se les va muy fácilmente, serán las gomas? O el asfalto ?
Ngl most of these riders going offroad are literally recoverable
You are all criticising the riders and I did too, but then when many came off without doing much wrong it , to me, became obvious there is something very wrong with the grip levels of the road. Oil perhaps. The ones straightening up sensed it early.
correct! many cars are losing greasy fluids (oil, cooling-liquid etc) because they are not build to race
4:46 Blud should never go in track anymore 💀
Das tut weh. Die schönen mopeds 😢
Wie heisst diese fiese Kurve?
Adenauer Forst - knapp vor km 7
hoffe, alle Fahrer haben es gut überstanden!
Sehe ihr einige Fahrfehler
aber besser hier auf der Rennstrecke als im Odenwald und co da sind auch einige hobbyrennfaher unterwegs
3:16 Was he deliberately trying to kill the biker? It certainly looks that way.
How can you mess this up so badly
8:27 Legend! :D
@1:22 - FRONT BRAKE ON GRASS at speed!?
I have a great machine.
Me: unfortunately not the matching skill set
The guy with the green bike had a bad day.
Quite a few accidents seem to happen about a quarter of a mile away from the circuit...! ; )
I felt many times already and this is kinda hard for me to watch this, rip bikes
Who was mark marquez who saved the crash
4:47 didn't you bend the fork breaker??😳
You arrrived with a cool bike, then had to take the train home, and find a way to have your bike shipped home.
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to many idiots that think they are racing drivers, theres more to riding a bike fast,its called control and you need to know how to slow down using the fronts brake as well as the rear,those that have no idea deserve all they get
You can buy a "Supersport Bike" and your EGO with money but you cant buy the skill.
Easy to see who has ridden off-road before and who hasn't ...
These folks are having a mighty hard time on this S curve
Soooo many silly situations in one video I can’t handle it. 2:41 why can’t he just go away and wait for someone, if he went off the track it’s possible that a car can come off the track and smash him into the orbit.
That grass claimed many victims.
I'd say it looks pretty greasey out there
indeed it is very greasey out there: cars not build for racing are losing oil, cooling-fluid etc etc
I often spin out in this corner.
(wiht my SONY PSP) 😜
3 mins into the lap and they all miss the chicane.
Questo conferma che i motociclisti germanici vinceranno campionati solo quando le piste saranno tutte dritte
i like that if the first rider makes a mistake the others are following like sheeps :D
Cmon. at 4:00 . If you are on the asphalt, brake as hard as you can!!!!
ど素人から玄人気取りの二輪四輪の混走なんか、恐ろしくてよう走らん。
Never seen so many Squids 😮
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Remember, this track is very VERY slippery when wet!