I always wanted to see the schisms of The Old Republic era. The Golden Age of the Sith, Jedi Civil War, the Hundred Year Darkness. There's SO much there.
yeah personally i want to see the sith race more than the humans playing as a "sith". i also want to see the mandalorian race too in the future. seriously its weird that we see humans everywhere or "aliens" but look like humans with different skin color. how are those aliens?
I thought that the ancient jedi that sought true balance in the force, ie using both light and dark and what one would consider true GREY jedi, were known as the Jed'aii or Je'daii depending on who you talk to about the spelling... this group slowly 'fell' from this way of thinking and totally embraced the light over along period of time turning into the Jedi that we see in the Lucas movies.
I've always thought of the force as less of two sides of a coin, and more of a balancing act, where the rope is the light and everything surrounding it is the dark. Simply stepping away from it is enough to turn to the dark itself, it doesn't matter how far or in which direction you step. True balance, then, would be accepting the entirety of the situation, the dark surrounding the light, but remaining within the light, so as to not be consumed by the dark, which the context of the setting in star wars seems to support because of how many characters are consumed by their vices whenever they succumb to the dark. That's why there really isn't any grey jedi, or I guess there would be if they were capable of returning to the light without much corruption, with dark jedi requiring far greater effort, as anything that isn't along that single line is immediately under the influence of the dark side.
You would be correct my friend, what this content creator is describing would be Grey Sith. The ancient force-wilders were called the Jed'aii & they had balance within the force. They were all brought to one planet & taught how to wield the force, those Jed'aii that leaned more to the light were sent to one Moon to meditate & bring the force back into balance & those that leaned more to the dark side was sent to another Moon for similar meditation they were not allowed to return until they could bring the force back into balance. Those that lean towards the light and could not bring the force back into balance would go on to make what we know as the Jedi order & those that lean towards the dark side and could not bring the force back into balance would go on to make the Sith. Which means both Jedi and Sith orders are flawed in the original teaching they were never to lean towards one side over the other IE balance. The force is based on the principle of yen and yang you cannot have good without evil and vice versa
@@doctordoom73 Ok, that's what I thought I was remembering. It's been while since i read up on the subject of the Je'daii. the moons were ashla and bogun iirc, orbiting tython which at the time was bendu itself. Referenced by 'bendu, the one in the middle' in rebels...
@@SimonWolfie Unfortunately my friend you are incorrect there is extended Star Wars novels as well as Bendu himself from Star Wars Rebels to support what I have stated. George Lucas himself stated in an interview that he based the force on the Asian philosophy of yin and yang a concept that describes opposite but interconnected forces. Mace Wendu would be a perfect example of a Grey Jedi, the race he's from draws from the Dark side of the force however he does not fall to the dark side Mace is more balanced with the force. Why do you think the Jedi's vision was clouded by Palpatine because they were not using the force the way it was truly intended to be used
This is interesting. I'd never heard of any force using groups known to the general population besides the Jedi or sith up to the clone wars. It's a shame more isn't explored about these and other groups in more popular lore
Kreia wore a mask in the end to obtain the goal she sought. She was Grey until the end. "The Force can have a powerful effect on the weak-minded" If you thought she changed or reverted, then you weren't paying attention.
@@omegablackzero7951 Agreed about Kreia, also Jolee in Kotor 1 - any force wielder not joined to the Sith or Jedi Orders was considered Outcast and "Gray". It's not a formal organization. It is just a reference to force sensitive users without affiliation. Obi-Wan, Luke, Asoka, Anakin were all Grey at one point.
There are definite positives of both Light and Dark. Finding a balance I feel like is the way of the Force. The Force is all about balance, so why not utilize both aspects of it? Greys are the best. Ahsoka needs to dabble a little in the Dark, but she definitely never will after Ani.
Since the Jedi rebuked them, Grey "Jedi" really doesn't make since. It's really not as simple as Sith or Jedi, when there seems to be plenty of other ForceUsers that weren't necessarily associated with either side exclusively.
no, the better name would be the dark skywalkers. because skywalkers are now the new users of the force with access to the whole force, even dark an light side..
Is it because of vapaad? I thought it meant only reflecting the dark side of your opponent back, without using your own darkness. If even that meant not being a pure jedi anymore, then Jedi were really dogmatic in their fear of learning anything about the dark side.
It makes more sense to think of qui-gon, ashoka, quin vos, and even some manners of luke as real gray jedi. windu just feeds from the dark side without falling to it - it's somehow a light wielder that also uses the dark side: wich should be hard or even not possible as one repulses the other. grey jedi to me are those who follow the will of the force despite the order rules, dogmas and mundaine doctrines.
Wish they would have a advance civilization that was build with Grey Jedi as they're Protectors to show how much more can be done. They will refuse to help either side for they petty war with each other.
That's a good point!! With using both sides it would be so much more powerful and able to do more good. If you know only one side you only got 50% of the power possible! You can have 100% if you knew both sides! I think Darth sidious said something like that to Anakin. It makes perfect sense. Besides the Jedi philosophy before the clone wars was weird and it would create people with mental disorders and social detachment and probably even sexual deviencies
#TheNietzschean Perspective:: They would be "Far Cooler" if they "Sought Balance" ... ... when the "Light Side" rules the Galaxy, they're Sithish. ... ... when the "Sith Rule" they're "Purple Jedi" Neutral is boring ... a Counter-Balance however, could be awesome!
Great video, thanks! Technical note: The pronunciation of 'wary' is ware-ee, not weer-ee. It's the second half of 'beware'. Weary means 'tired', wary means 'cautious; suspicious of'. Your pronunciation in the video described the Jedi as 'tired of the grey Jedi', with the connotation of, "Oy, these fucking guys again...". Which is funny, but not what I think you intended to convey.😉 Stay awesome!
In some way, I think what Marchion Ro's family and The Path Of The Open Hand are, may be something going in that direction. The Nameless seem like an abomination of The Force Itself (in some ways, like a perverted counterpart to The Bendu), through the reckless practice of Dark Side alchemy (probably by one of The Sorcerers Of Tund, in Phase Two of The High Republic), resulting in something that can overwhelm and/or destroy Force-users (and offset The Force), in general, regardless of their abilities and allegiances to The Light or Dark Side.
@MrBrownsugar85 Another words you better pick Democrat or Republican.. nah I'm good. Because like both those political parties the Jedi and Sith both have there flaws. So why does one have to choose one or the other?..I'd rather go in a different direction and make my own way in the galaxy. Just like in the US government some people forget that there's more than 2 parties. Grey Jedi is what I'd prefer over sith or jedi. Neither left nor right. May The Force Be With you.
The concept of Grey jedi completely undermines the good versus evil themes of star wars. It also begs the question, if the middle is just as powerful as the extremes, what is the point of going to the extremes? SW fans should drop the concept of Grey jedi.
I’m not gonna lie peeps. I’d love a story where the sorcerers of tund fight the Vong. Think about it. It’s a force group that no only embraces both sides of the force, it’s also blending techniques and tactics. Even if the vong directly can’t be affected by the force, these guys would have been powerful enough in the force to match that.
The way I see it, the actions they took here, choosing not to act, but merely grow in there power, makes a lot of sense for what they were trying to accomplish. If they were to step into a conflict, they would either be embracing the light side of the force in defending the one side, or falling into the dark by attacking the other. While I understand that the Jedi we're weary of their growing power, and the thought of them some day turning their forces on the galaxy, this is just another example of the Jedi failing to maintain their connection to the light by being controlled by fear. In the end, these people were following the force in its truest form, mastering both the light and dark sides, while maintaining a balance in the middle.
A live action tv series diving into this whole topic of the dark jedi, sorcs of tund and other such groups like the night sisters wpuld be soo cool and hugely profitable.. Hopefully one day :)
I had no idea who these "sorcerers of Tund" were before this video. Thank you for sharing such an in-depth description of the group. I had heard about grey Jedi before, a long time ago, but I had never known what it truly took to be a true grey Jedi. Are these sorcerers the same ad grey Jedi or not?
It’s not just the Force some of them use it for the late side and some of them use it for dark side you know The dark side for themselves and the light side to help others
It would seem that the light way of thinking, and the dark way are both wrong. The light side who don't die (or fail miserably to uphold the light like the jedi council), tend to view the opposite side of the coin, or fundamentally change what the "light side" is. Seems that happens in both directions
There are some that say there are no in-between (THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS GREY JEDI OR GREY FORCE USERS) Well what do you call all those force users who have only fallow the force and don't align themselves with any Sith or Jedi? Neutral right last time I checked grey is literally a neutral color it's black and white(light and dark mixed together..Force users who don't fallow any light or dark faction or one aspect of the force fall in this. Qui Gon was heading down this path Dooku could have as well and Ahsoka pretty much was the first one on screen to do this.
@@mikkpunning5702 Wait wait hold on who said Ahsoka used the darkside?I said any force user who dose not fallow the Jedi or the Sith fall in a grey area being a grey force user dose not necessarily mean they also use light or dark they have a choice however some of them do study all it's aspects neutral there is no light and dark just the force no true faction on there own path in some rare instances grey force users may create there own order that's just about all aspects of the force entirely. Ahsoka is a neutral character at her core just chooses to be balance not being a Jedi or Sith on her own path her crystals just shows how neutral her being is and how pure. When I read her book it said she purified them from a dark inquisitor.I watched all of Rebels and Ahsoka still dose not consider herself a Jedi and dose not fallow the sith this brings her in the middle this has a lot to do with her crystal color I feel her transformation is still not yet complete though we shall see what Foloni dose.
@@soularprimestudios5930 I think I misunderstood what Grey Jedi meant. I thought it meant a Jedi channeling some dark side of the force, like your own anger while using the force. But it also meant forging your own path, walking away from the order, or any minor unorthodoxy.
Interesting as the Grey Jedi were between the light and dark sides of Force. Also their collective downfall was same. Learning light and dark sides while never embracing either which led to their destruction. But while having learnt dark side powers and never embracing were they, by default, showing allegiance to light side? Must consult my Master as am still a work in progress. Tried using that “padewon” but never got spelling right. ✌🏼😎
Grey Jedi refers to users who use both sides of the force which there is loads of in Star Wars. Idk about cannon ones. But one example would be star killer altho more a dark side user he also used light side.
@@aceneto9386 Just because you have used the dark side and light does not make you "grey". If as a Jedi, you allow emotion and attachment to cloud your judgement and use The Force out of balance you are using The Dark side. You have not become a "grey" Jedi, you simply made an error, just like if someone commits a sin or crime but doesn't fall into a life of sin and crime. You can use the Dark side on occasion without letting it consume you and you are still only considered to be a Jedi. There is only The Force in balance (Light) or out of balance (Dark). There is no Grey. GL confirmed this back in The Legends days and it's still canon.
I feel like it could have only ever been a sith such as this to learn true balance in the force because the Jedi order at the time was too set in their ways of completely banishing the dark wow most Sith started out on the light side so they were already close to being both at one point
agree. the choice to become "good" or "evil" is of the wielder. and they can't be both at the same time, they would internely clash with themselves, would have no proper self or identity.
Darkness and light cant exist without 1 another. Knowing when to tap into each emotion and how to withdraw from straying 1 way to far is balance. May the force be with you!
There is only the Force I am nothing without it, as it is nothing without me Power is nothing without Wisdom Wisdom nothing without Discernment As I use the Force, it also uses me I am a Grey Guardian
I don't know well about this Grey force users but for me it's true that both sith and jedi phylosophy are flawed because they do not fully embrace their members being and do not allow to be themselves.
The Sorcerers or Tund strike me as an ancient and more powerful version of the Light Sith, they simply had more to offer and they're power in the Force never weakened when they practiced the light.
They were pretty smart to stay secluded, they may have stayed around much longer had they not made that last recruitment mistake! But can it really just come down to trusting one wrong person? Who could survive like that?
@@damaskholdings9140 umm, where have you been? Jedi was derived from Je'daii, which never ever meant, "practitioners of the light". The Jedi order was created for those who chose to follow the light as they wanted to move away from the Je'daii ways to focus on complete and total balance in both the light and the dark. So, instead of calling themselves Je'daii or followers of Je'daii, as anyone could confuse them for still being Jedi as the pronunciation is practically the same, that is why they associate themselves as Grey Jedi. If you were a true fan, you would know that.
@@damaskholdings9140 Ashla was actually originally the name for "light". If you read Dawn, you'd know that as well. Ashla was later used for describing the force, but Ashla and Bogan were originally used by the ancients specifically stating that Ashla represents the light while Bogan represents the dark. The Je'daii, which you spelled wrong, (not sure how you made that mistake when I gave it to you lol), believed in a balance between the two forces. This was also how the planet Tython maintained its balance. When the first great schism occured, the imbalance negatively impacted the planet's atmosphere. Thousands of years later, only the Jedi and the Sith were, but there were those whom walked in between. However, calling themselves Je'daii sounded too similar to the Jedi order, so, depending on which path they walked, they would, if there was more dark side, be known as Dark Jedi or, if they sought balance, Grey Jedi. Did they call themselves Grey Jedi? No, but Dark Jedi also didn't like being called Dark Jedi cause they hated being associated with the Jedi. Did some call themselves "Dark Jedi"? Only because it's what the Jedi Order called them, but they hated the term. So yes, Grey Jedi existed just as much as did Dark Jedi, Sith, and Jedi. Seriously dude, do your research before challenging a seasoned fan like me. You have no clue what you are talking about.
@@damaskholdings9140 the light side part of the force, yes, but its not the sum of the force. This is why the Je'daii believed in three aspects of the force. They believed there was the Ashla, (the light), the Bogan, (the dark), and the Bendu, (the balanced or the grey). The force is not just the light, the dark, or the grey, but a culmination of all 3. However, the Je'daii believed it was necessary to maintain balance and walk the path of Bendu or the Grey. This belief would later evole into being one of the root elements for force users whom would be identified as Grey Jedi.
GREY JEDI need be on tv or movie or streaming to watch and see how powerful what really are anyway to ourselves to know what are they talking about. come on george lucus show up some gray jedi and it's order on tv.
Would Valkorian technicallyGrey? If you were too far dark or too far light he constantly berated you but if I remember right if took a balanced approach during certain situations he would actually agree with you. Ehh he was probably extremely pragmatic.
This is pretty good. They're mix. Both light and dark. And they were strong,and dangerous. But they wasted their power. Jedi were right to be vary. And Sith. May the Force be with you too
I would like to know more about their philosophy. They don't seem to follow original ,, life is war, we should conquer all" Of sith specie, but doesn't follow ,,keep peace and stability in galaxy, cost doesn't matter" of Jedi. It seems to be some sort of passivity, maybe act only when you can win easily or something like that.
GREY JEDI don't exist just like there is no middle between good and evil! Either it's a Jedi using sith power or a sith using jedi power but the notion of grey jedi doesn't make sense Lucas explain it himself!!
This instested of mine to make more better storylines from star wars comics for Disney + and movies to continue with star wars franchise just like this from original storylines through the comics.
Raven could be grey sith or grey jedi. But Plo and Ezra would probably count as Grey Jedi. Plo being able use force lighting, and Ezra being able open the sith holocron n use his emotions to gain power in tight situation. Sith is actually a race.
The Jedi had nothing to say about Grey Jedi, as Grey Jedi do not truly exist in Star Wars, in the movies or otherwise. Grey Jedi was started by a video game character in KOTOR, in Bindo. It has since become an infatuation within the Star Wars Community, mostly because it’s an intriguing idea, to be able to do “bad” things, for a “greater good”.
Eh, your lore on the Moons of Tython is wrong. The moon of Ashla was used for exile for the ancient Je’daii order who studied too much of the Light Side. And the Moon of Bogan for those that veered too far into Dark Side. That way they always maintained Balance.
@@danieldavis6288 Obi Wan definitely started to think more and more like Qui Gon around the end even admitted to Ahsoka the Jedi council is not always right.
@@josegonzalez2434 Depends on who you ask. I don't consider Dark Jedi to be Grey, any more than Sith. Just depends on how honest you consider his loyalty to Darth Sidious to have been. My understanding is there are discrepancies between Legends and Canon where that is concerned.
The issue for the Jedi for the Sorcerers; is that they. The Sorcerers of Tund behaved like the Jedi in times of peace, waiting peacefully for thier time. No plan on murder or destruction. The Jedi weren't used to force users that were not Jedi but were not Imperialists. This naturally terrified the Jedi
I find it funny that how the younger star wars fans don't know the difference between the Sith and Dark Jedi. Or that the dark Jedi and regular Jedi were once part of a larger group
Would this not make them the more pure force users? They sought the knowledge within the force and did not try to use it for control or power. To be fair I know very little about all of this.
They're probably Force Ghosts but not lost in the madness of the dark side afterlife realm. If they know how to switch to the lightside, they're more than capable of crossing over to escape. Also it's likely they saw their own deaths and the best thing to do for them is to fake their own deaths. If it's still the legends timeline, they probably foresaw the arrival of the Yuuzhan Vong and their eventual defeat resulting in more Force rehabilitated worlds like Ossus and Tython coming back alive again. The same can be done to their homeworld too. Worst case scenario is that they plan to highjack the Vong biotech just like what the New Sith Order did a century after ABY. If the real power behind the Vong's leadership is actually a Force user, then it's not out of the question that it's easier to replace that person. I think what they're probably more afraid of is Abeloth's eventual escape and them being a good targets for her to consume for their strong connection not only to the Force but specifically to the Dark Side. The Jensaarai might seek them out but likely be rejected considering the Sorcerers don't like anyone who's non-pure SIths and both Light&Dark Jedis from the very beginning&doubt that they changed their policy unless it's for good reason.
There is no such thing as a "grey" Jedi. If you use The Force correctly, according to Its will, you are using the Light side. When your use of The Force is unbalanced by strong emotions then you are using the Dark side. The concept of "grey" Jedi came from a misunderstanding of the Balance of The Force. Yes, there are some Jedi and light-side Force users that have used the Dark side and have not been fully corrupted. This does not make them "grey", just like if someone sins once in a while they are not considered truly evil. They are still just Jedi.
I'm actually surprised that the Sith species continued to last so long into the Clone Wars. I thought they were wiped out thousands of years prior.
They were.
I really hope one day we see a pure blood Sith show or movie, there is so much there to be told and explored.
It's part of the EU. And in KKs vast "wisdom", she canceled it. So unless they plan on cherry picking from the EU like they did the movies, they wont.
I always wanted to see the schisms of The Old Republic era. The Golden Age of the Sith, Jedi Civil War, the Hundred Year Darkness. There's SO much there.
yeah personally i want to see the sith race more than the humans playing as a "sith". i also want to see the mandalorian race too in the future. seriously its weird that we see humans everywhere or "aliens" but look like humans with different skin color. how are those aliens?
Look up the Darth Maul short film
With Disney at the helm? Dare to dream.
I thought that the ancient jedi that sought true balance in the force, ie using both light and dark and what one would consider true GREY jedi, were known as the Jed'aii or Je'daii depending on who you talk to about the spelling... this group slowly 'fell' from this way of thinking and totally embraced the light over along period of time turning into the Jedi that we see in the Lucas movies.
I've always thought of the force as less of two sides of a coin, and more of a balancing act, where the rope is the light and everything surrounding it is the dark. Simply stepping away from it is enough to turn to the dark itself, it doesn't matter how far or in which direction you step. True balance, then, would be accepting the entirety of the situation, the dark surrounding the light, but remaining within the light, so as to not be consumed by the dark, which the context of the setting in star wars seems to support because of how many characters are consumed by their vices whenever they succumb to the dark. That's why there really isn't any grey jedi, or I guess there would be if they were capable of returning to the light without much corruption, with dark jedi requiring far greater effort, as anything that isn't along that single line is immediately under the influence of the dark side.
You would be correct my friend, what this content creator is describing would be Grey Sith. The ancient force-wilders were called the Jed'aii & they had balance within the force. They were all brought to one planet & taught how to wield the force, those Jed'aii that leaned more to the light were sent to one Moon to meditate & bring the force back into balance & those that leaned more to the dark side was sent to another Moon for similar meditation they were not allowed to return until they could bring the force back into balance. Those that lean towards the light and could not bring the force back into balance would go on to make what we know as the Jedi order & those that lean towards the dark side and could not bring the force back into balance would go on to make the Sith. Which means both Jedi and Sith orders are flawed in the original teaching they were never to lean towards one side over the other IE balance. The force is based on the principle of yen and yang you cannot have good without evil and vice versa
@@doctordoom73 Ok, that's what I thought I was remembering. It's been while since i read up on the subject of the Je'daii. the moons were ashla and bogun iirc, orbiting tython which at the time was bendu itself. Referenced by 'bendu, the one in the middle' in rebels...
@@Wowflunky Yeah based on Star Wars extended novels as well as Bendu from Rebels he tells the beginning history of the Jed'aii
@@SimonWolfie Unfortunately my friend you are incorrect there is extended Star Wars novels as well as Bendu himself from Star Wars Rebels to support what I have stated. George Lucas himself stated in an interview that he based the force on the Asian philosophy of yin and yang a concept that describes opposite but interconnected forces. Mace Wendu would be a perfect example of a Grey Jedi, the race he's from draws from the Dark side of the force however he does not fall to the dark side Mace is more balanced with the force. Why do you think the Jedi's vision was clouded by Palpatine because they were not using the force the way it was truly intended to be used
This is interesting. I'd never heard of any force using groups known to the general population besides the Jedi or sith up to the clone wars. It's a shame more isn't explored about these and other groups in more popular lore
how about the nightsisters???
Sith or users of the dark side are the most dangerous. Kreia for example. She was a Jedi, she was Sith, she was Grey but in the end she was Sith.
many of most powerful sith were former Jedi.
Kreia wore a mask in the end to obtain the goal she sought. She was Grey until the end. "The Force can have a powerful effect on the weak-minded" If you thought she changed or reverted, then you weren't paying attention.
@@omegablackzero7951 Agreed about Kreia, also Jolee in Kotor 1 - any force wielder not joined to the Sith or Jedi Orders was considered Outcast and "Gray". It's not a formal organization. It is just a reference to force sensitive users without affiliation. Obi-Wan, Luke, Asoka, Anakin were all Grey at one point.
There are definite positives of both Light and Dark. Finding a balance I feel like is the way of the Force. The Force is all about balance, so why not utilize both aspects of it? Greys are the best. Ahsoka needs to dabble a little in the Dark, but she definitely never will after Ani.
Grey Sith might be a more accurate description of these guys.
Since the Jedi rebuked them, Grey "Jedi" really doesn't make since. It's really not as simple as Sith or Jedi, when there seems to be plenty of other ForceUsers that weren't necessarily associated with either side exclusively.
Only a sith deals in absolutes ^^
Stupid SpaceWizards.
no, the better name would be the dark skywalkers. because skywalkers are now the new users of the force with access to the whole force, even dark an light side..
@@andyebino3856 There are no more Skywalkers
I think Mace Windu was one of the best 'unofficial' grey Jedi
Is it because of vapaad? I thought it meant only reflecting the dark side of your opponent back, without using your own darkness. If even that meant not being a pure jedi anymore, then Jedi were really dogmatic in their fear of learning anything about the dark side.
If Mace Windu were to go to the dark side, he wud be Darth Jules!! Say what again I dare ya, I DOUBLE DARE ya!!!
It makes more sense to think of qui-gon, ashoka, quin vos, and even some manners of luke as real gray jedi. windu just feeds from the dark side without falling to it - it's somehow a light wielder that also uses the dark side: wich should be hard or even not possible as one repulses the other. grey jedi to me are those who follow the will of the force despite the order rules, dogmas and mundaine doctrines.
Wish they would have a advance civilization that was build with Grey Jedi as they're Protectors to show how much more can be done. They will refuse to help either side for they petty war with each other.
That's a good point!! With using both sides it would be so much more powerful and able to do more good. If you know only one side you only got 50% of the power possible! You can have 100% if you knew both sides! I think Darth sidious said something like that to Anakin. It makes perfect sense. Besides the Jedi philosophy before the clone wars was weird and it would create people with mental disorders and social detachment and probably even sexual deviencies
@@BJETNT Exactly my point 🤗
That's not how it works lorewise i'm afraid
#TheNietzschean Perspective::
They would be "Far Cooler" if they "Sought Balance" ... ... when the "Light Side" rules the Galaxy, they're Sithish. ... ... when the "Sith Rule" they're "Purple Jedi"
Neutral is boring ... a Counter-Balance however, could be awesome!
There's no logic to cutting yourself off from half the Force, even less so if you do it deliberately.
I would love to see an actual Gray Jedi movie.
Great video, thanks! Technical note: The pronunciation of 'wary' is ware-ee, not weer-ee. It's the second half of 'beware'.
Weary means 'tired', wary means 'cautious; suspicious of'.
Your pronunciation in the video described the Jedi as 'tired of the grey Jedi', with the connotation of, "Oy, these fucking guys again...". Which is funny, but not what I think you intended to convey.😉
Stay awesome!
Wish they would make them canon
lol no lol pick one side or the other lol no middle ground lol
In some way, I think what Marchion Ro's family and The Path Of The Open Hand are, may be something going in that direction. The Nameless seem like an abomination of The Force Itself (in some ways, like a perverted counterpart to The Bendu), through the reckless practice of Dark Side alchemy (probably by one of The Sorcerers Of Tund, in Phase Two of The High Republic), resulting in something that can overwhelm and/or destroy Force-users (and offset The Force), in general, regardless of their abilities and allegiances to The Light or Dark Side.
@MrBrownsugar85 Another words you better pick Democrat or Republican.. nah I'm good. Because like both those political parties the Jedi and Sith both have there flaws. So why does one have to choose one or the other?..I'd rather go in a different direction and make my own way in the galaxy. Just like in the US government some people forget that there's more than 2 parties. Grey Jedi is what I'd prefer over sith or jedi. Neither left nor right. May The Force Be With you.
@@MrBrownsugar85no
Wow I never knew the Sith pureblood species survived in a sense for so long
The concept of Grey jedi completely undermines the good versus evil themes of star wars. It also begs the question, if the middle is just as powerful as the extremes, what is the point of going to the extremes?
SW fans should drop the concept of Grey jedi.
I’m not gonna lie peeps. I’d love a story where the sorcerers of tund fight the Vong. Think about it. It’s a force group that no only embraces both sides of the force, it’s also blending techniques and tactics. Even if the vong directly can’t be affected by the force, these guys would have been powerful enough in the force to match that.
do you think anakin mace windu and other could have been that also do you think there is a grey lightsaber
I swear this channel has made this video like 4-5 times in the 4 or so years I’ve been subscribed
The way I see it, the actions they took here, choosing not to act, but merely grow in there power, makes a lot of sense for what they were trying to accomplish. If they were to step into a conflict, they would either be embracing the light side of the force in defending the one side, or falling into the dark by attacking the other. While I understand that the Jedi we're weary of their growing power, and the thought of them some day turning their forces on the galaxy, this is just another example of the Jedi failing to maintain their connection to the light by being controlled by fear.
In the end, these people were following the force in its truest form, mastering both the light and dark sides, while maintaining a balance in the middle.
Wow, this is probably the most interesting topic I have heard about the starwars universe.
A live action tv series diving into this whole topic of the dark jedi, sorcs of tund and other such groups like the night sisters wpuld be soo cool and hugely profitable.. Hopefully one day :)
I had no idea who these "sorcerers of Tund" were before this video. Thank you for sharing such an in-depth description of the group. I had heard about grey Jedi before, a long time ago, but I had never known what it truly took to be a true grey Jedi. Are these sorcerers the same ad grey Jedi or not?
It’s not just the Force some of them use it for the late side and some of them use it for dark side you know The dark side for themselves and the light side to help others
The only time I heard of Tan was when Palpatine gave Maarek Stele the title of Tan.
0:58-that's a nice angle.😁
Love this. Especially because you literally reached out, in to the living force… done well, you have. In touch, I will be.
It would seem that the light way of thinking, and the dark way are both wrong. The light side who don't die (or fail miserably to uphold the light like the jedi council), tend to view the opposite side of the coin, or fundamentally change what the "light side" is. Seems that happens in both directions
Be dope if they remade, masterd and more storyline to KOTOR
There are some that say there are no in-between (THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS GREY JEDI OR GREY FORCE USERS) Well what do you call all those force users who have only fallow the force and don't align themselves with any Sith or Jedi? Neutral right last time I checked grey is literally a neutral color it's black and white(light and dark mixed together..Force users who don't fallow any light or dark faction or one aspect of the force fall in this. Qui Gon was heading down this path Dooku could have as well and Ahsoka pretty much was the first one on screen to do this.
When did Ashoka use the dark side of the force on-screen? I'm not arguing. I'm asking, because I have missed some parts of the Clone Wars and Rebels.
@@mikkpunning5702 Wait wait hold on who said Ahsoka used the darkside?I said any force user who dose not fallow the Jedi or the Sith fall in a grey area being a grey force user dose not necessarily mean they also use light or dark they have a choice however some of them do study all it's aspects neutral there is no light and dark just the force no true faction on there own path in some rare instances grey force users may create there own order that's just about all aspects of the force entirely. Ahsoka is a neutral character at her core just chooses to be balance not being a Jedi or Sith on her own path her crystals just shows how neutral her being is and how pure. When I read her book it said she purified them from a dark inquisitor.I watched all of Rebels and Ahsoka still dose not consider herself a Jedi and dose not fallow the sith this brings her in the middle this has a lot to do with her crystal color I feel her transformation is still not yet complete though we shall see what Foloni dose.
@@soularprimestudios5930 I think I misunderstood what Grey Jedi meant. I thought it meant a Jedi channeling some dark side of the force, like your own anger while using the force. But it also meant forging your own path, walking away from the order, or any minor unorthodoxy.
Grey jedi ftw👍
They already have a name Dark Jedi...
who is that at 6:16
Interesting as the Grey Jedi were between the light and dark sides of Force. Also their collective downfall was same. Learning light and dark sides while never embracing either which led to their destruction. But while having learnt dark side powers and never embracing were they, by default, showing allegiance to light side? Must consult my Master as am still a work in progress. Tried using that “padewon” but never got spelling right. ✌🏼😎
Great video. More like this please
Interesting Sith v Xenomorphs @ 3:11
Just out of curiosity, do you have anything on the Sorcerers of Rand (of which Cronal, aka "Black Hole" was one?)
I keep thinking the sorcerors of Tund were in one of the Lando Calrissian novels...might be mistaken.
I brought up the Grey in a group and was attacked. They said there were no Grey! They really need to hear this breakdown!
And you needed that shunning...wrong
According to George Lucas there is no grey jedi. Pretty sure I heard/read that somewhere
I believe this video is speaking about legends not Canon
Grey Jedi refers to users who use both sides of the force which there is loads of in Star Wars. Idk about cannon ones. But one example would be star killer altho more a dark side user he also used light side.
@@aceneto9386 Just because you have used the dark side and light does not make you "grey". If as a Jedi, you allow emotion and attachment to cloud your judgement and use The Force out of balance you are using The Dark side. You have not become a "grey" Jedi, you simply made an error, just like if someone commits a sin or crime but doesn't fall into a life of sin and crime. You can use the Dark side on occasion without letting it consume you and you are still only considered to be a Jedi. There is only The Force in balance (Light) or out of balance (Dark). There is no Grey. GL confirmed this back in The Legends days and it's still canon.
I feel like it could have only ever been a sith such as this to learn true balance in the force because the Jedi order at the time was too set in their ways of completely banishing the dark wow most Sith started out on the light side so they were already close to being both at one point
There is no light or dark, there is the force!
agree. the choice to become "good" or "evil" is of the wielder. and they can't be both at the same time, they would internely clash with themselves, would have no proper self or identity.
what is the name of the music playing for the first 4 minutes?
Darkness and light cant exist without 1 another. Knowing when to tap into each emotion and how to withdraw from straying 1 way to far is balance.
May the force be with you!
I like the Sorcerers of Tund in Star Wars Legends, the Canon have little information about to them.
Love the channel,but are you saying "weary" or "wary"?
3:06 Interesting picture there xenomorphs and a sith lord
In Swtor, my character was a lightside Sith pureblood.
There is only the Force
I am nothing without it, as it is nothing without me
Power is nothing without Wisdom
Wisdom nothing without Discernment
As I use the Force, it also uses me
I am a Grey Guardian
Je'daii Order was the 1st true gray Jedi
I don't know well about this Grey force users but for me it's true that both sith and jedi phylosophy are flawed because they do not fully embrace their members being and do not allow to be themselves.
What was the scene from @4:14?
very neat i have herd of them also book series Lost tribe of Sith is very good Series
The Sorcerers or Tund strike me as an ancient and more powerful version of the Light Sith, they simply had more to offer and they're power in the Force never weakened when they practiced the light.
Where’s the thumbnail from?
They were pretty smart to stay secluded, they may have stayed around much longer had they not made that last recruitment mistake! But can it really just come down to trusting one wrong person? Who could survive like that?
I always liked Rokur Gepta, but his death was so underwhelming.
Are there any in current continuity?
So did they go to force heaven or force hell after they died?
Love the Sith picture, Ik the name I just gotta find it
I would have totally been a Grey Jedi... 😎💯
@6:13
...no. Bad Lightsaber, go away.
Doesn't Asuka become a Grey after she enters the void space in the dark temple or something like that
For those of you who keep saying there was no such thing as a Grey Jedi
@@damaskholdings9140 umm, where have you been? Jedi was derived from Je'daii, which never ever meant, "practitioners of the light". The Jedi order was created for those who chose to follow the light as they wanted to move away from the Je'daii ways to focus on complete and total balance in both the light and the dark. So, instead of calling themselves Je'daii or followers of Je'daii, as anyone could confuse them for still being Jedi as the pronunciation is practically the same, that is why they associate themselves as Grey Jedi. If you were a true fan, you would know that.
@@damaskholdings9140 Ashla was actually originally the name for "light". If you read Dawn, you'd know that as well. Ashla was later used for describing the force, but Ashla and Bogan were originally used by the ancients specifically stating that Ashla represents the light while Bogan represents the dark. The Je'daii, which you spelled wrong, (not sure how you made that mistake when I gave it to you lol), believed in a balance between the two forces. This was also how the planet Tython maintained its balance. When the first great schism occured, the imbalance negatively impacted the planet's atmosphere. Thousands of years later, only the Jedi and the Sith were, but there were those whom walked in between. However, calling themselves Je'daii sounded too similar to the Jedi order, so, depending on which path they walked, they would, if there was more dark side, be known as Dark Jedi or, if they sought balance, Grey Jedi. Did they call themselves Grey Jedi? No, but Dark Jedi also didn't like being called Dark Jedi cause they hated being associated with the Jedi. Did some call themselves "Dark Jedi"? Only because it's what the Jedi Order called them, but they hated the term. So yes, Grey Jedi existed just as much as did Dark Jedi, Sith, and Jedi. Seriously dude, do your research before challenging a seasoned fan like me. You have no clue what you are talking about.
@@damaskholdings9140 the light side part of the force, yes, but its not the sum of the force. This is why the Je'daii believed in three aspects of the force. They believed there was the Ashla, (the light), the Bogan, (the dark), and the Bendu, (the balanced or the grey). The force is not just the light, the dark, or the grey, but a culmination of all 3. However, the Je'daii believed it was necessary to maintain balance and walk the path of Bendu or the Grey. This belief would later evole into being one of the root elements for force users whom would be identified as Grey Jedi.
The Jedi be like: "they are just there Standing Menacingly".
GREY JEDI need be on tv or movie or streaming to watch and see how powerful what really are anyway to ourselves to know what are they talking about. come on george lucus show up some gray jedi and it's order on tv.
Grey Jedi
Kasai means hate in welsh 👀
Would Valkorian technicallyGrey? If you were too far dark or too far light he constantly berated you but if I remember right if took a balanced approach during certain situations he would actually agree with you. Ehh he was probably extremely pragmatic.
This is pretty good. They're mix. Both light and dark. And they were strong,and dangerous. But they wasted their power. Jedi were right to be vary. And Sith. May the Force be with you too
I would like to know more about their philosophy. They don't seem to follow original ,, life is war, we should conquer all" Of sith specie, but doesn't follow ,,keep peace and stability in galaxy, cost doesn't matter" of Jedi. It seems to be some sort of passivity, maybe act only when you can win easily or something like that.
Can anyone tell me where this scene is from? 1:27
What is this is about?
GREY JEDI don't exist just like there is no middle between good and evil!
Either it's a Jedi using sith power or a sith using jedi power but the notion of grey jedi doesn't make sense Lucas explain it himself!!
4:37 weary/wary mixup.
When are we gonna see what happened when the knights of ren ransacked vaders castle
they would have been force chocked all at once directly into a lava pit for even trying... 😎💯
This instested of mine to make more better storylines from star wars comics for Disney + and movies to continue with star wars franchise just like this from original storylines through the comics.
Strange that Palpatine wasn't invested in their prowess, after all he'd gathered nearly everything related to the Sith in it's importance of knowledge
Raven could be grey sith or grey jedi. But Plo and Ezra would probably count as Grey Jedi. Plo being able use force lighting, and Ezra being able open the sith holocron n use his emotions to gain power in tight situation. Sith is actually a race.
Neutral force beings are grey jedi?
Close to it, but yeah!...
The Jedi had nothing to say about Grey Jedi, as Grey Jedi do not truly exist in Star Wars, in the movies or otherwise.
Grey Jedi was started by a video game character in KOTOR, in Bindo.
It has since become an infatuation within the Star Wars Community, mostly because it’s an intriguing idea, to be able to do “bad” things, for a “greater good”.
I would like to see a movie series or just a t v series about these guys might be interesting
They could have brought balance to the force if they wanted. At the same time taking power.
Unwavering dogma feels like a path to the dark side!?
Eh, your lore on the Moons of Tython is wrong. The moon of Ashla was used for exile for the ancient Je’daii order who studied too much of the Light Side. And the Moon of Bogan for those that veered too far into Dark Side. That way they always maintained Balance.
interesting
I wonder if members of the Sith Order in canon would be allowed to use lightsabers in purple, orange, yellow or magenta
yellow I really doubt, as it's used by those more willing to combat injustices - it doesn't seem the Sith way
Ashoka is the archetype of a grey Jedi.
Obi Wan and Qui Gon were much the same in outlook
@@danieldavis6288 Obi Wan definitely started to think more and more like Qui Gon around the end even admitted to Ahsoka the Jedi council is not always right.
Correct me if I’m wrong please, wasn’t Dooku also kind of a grey jedi? not much as Qui-Gon but he did have some traits didn’t he?
@@josegonzalez2434 yup that would be the best example better than ahsoka or qui gon
@@josegonzalez2434 Depends on who you ask. I don't consider Dark Jedi to be Grey, any more than Sith. Just depends on how honest you consider his loyalty to Darth Sidious to have been. My understanding is there are discrepancies between Legends and Canon where that is concerned.
Are the Grey Jedi ' s actually a lightweight Siths , or the Light Siths.
The issue for the Jedi for the Sorcerers; is that they. The Sorcerers of Tund behaved like the Jedi in times of peace, waiting peacefully for thier time. No plan on murder or destruction.
The Jedi weren't used to force users that were not Jedi but were not Imperialists. This naturally terrified the Jedi
Because Gray Jedi are Sith in Waiting
5:16 weary/wary mixup again. And then another.
So does grey exist at all now. I thought Luke eventually went grey?
wary*!! 4:16~
I hope the next saga delves more into the grey sith/grey jedi. Enough about the skywalker saga!
So they were more ‘grey sith’ rather than Jedi
I find it funny that how the younger star wars fans don't know the difference between the Sith and Dark Jedi. Or that the dark Jedi and regular Jedi were once part of a larger group
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Would this not make them the more pure force users? They sought the knowledge within the force and did not try to use it for control or power.
To be fair I know very little about all of this.
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They're probably Force Ghosts but not lost in the madness of the dark side afterlife realm. If they know how to switch to the lightside, they're more than capable of crossing over to escape. Also it's likely they saw their own deaths and the best thing to do for them is to fake their own deaths. If it's still the legends timeline, they probably foresaw the arrival of the Yuuzhan Vong and their eventual defeat resulting in more Force rehabilitated worlds like Ossus and Tython coming back alive again. The same can be done to their homeworld too. Worst case scenario is that they plan to highjack the Vong biotech just like what the New Sith Order did a century after ABY. If the real power behind the Vong's leadership is actually a Force user, then it's not out of the question that it's easier to replace that person. I think what they're probably more afraid of is Abeloth's eventual escape and them being a good targets for her to consume for their strong connection not only to the Force but specifically to the Dark Side. The Jensaarai might seek them out but likely be rejected considering the Sorcerers don't like anyone who's non-pure SIths and both Light&Dark Jedis from the very beginning&doubt that they changed their policy unless it's for good reason.
i just have to say it. It's wary not weary. Wary means cautious, weary means tired.
Did anybody else feel like it started sounding a bit Harry Potter sort of middle ground sourcerors and purebloods
There is no such thing as a "grey" Jedi. If you use The Force correctly, according to Its will, you are using the Light side. When your use of The Force is unbalanced by strong emotions then you are using the Dark side. The concept of "grey" Jedi came from a misunderstanding of the Balance of The Force. Yes, there are some Jedi and light-side Force users that have used the Dark side and have not been fully corrupted. This does not make them "grey", just like if someone sins once in a while they are not considered truly evil. They are still just Jedi.
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