How To Replace A Single Gang Receptacle Box With A Double Gang Receptacle Box
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- Опубліковано 24 січ 2020
- How To Replace A Single Gang Receptacle Box With A Double Gang Receptacle Box. In this video I am replacing my single gang duplex receptacle with a double gang cut in box and adding a quad receptacle. I will demonstrate how to remove an old existing nail on box and adding a double gang cut in box (or retro fit box). It is extremely easy to do this yourself just take your time. This is an updated video of my first one with alot better lighting.
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Thanks for making informative videos free and publicly available, you're doing a great service to society.
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One of the most straightforward and thorough tutorials on this process I've seen. Thanks!
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@@MountaineerOutdoors how do I add a light off that outlet? Which receptacle do I connect to?
Man oh man, I watched a few amateur diy'ers then I watched your channel, and the difference is night and day, you are obviously a professional. Thank you for the good work.
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Just what I was looking for. Thank you so much!!!!
I've been wanting to change mine in my master bedroom but have been a little hesitant. With your video and explaination I beleive I am ready! Thanks for this.
That's awesome just take your time and turn off the power and it should be easy
The right video for what I needed to do. Thank you for producing such a detailed video.
Glad it was helpful! thanks for watching and commenting
This was such a legit video and I very much appreciate you making it. Doesn't look hard at all and I'm ready to get after it!!
Awesome good luck and let me know how it turns out
A lot of useful tips and tricks in here thank you for posting this.
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Thanks for sharing, I just did mine with those boxes but I also side screws boxes to wood studs.
So glad you took time to show us how to FIX that right hand 'wing' not compressing against the drywall. Thank you for your videos, amigo. Much appreciated.
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Thanks for clearing up the issue on the previous video making a single to a double gang box.
My pleasure
Always been afraid of electrical work but your videos have given me the confidence to try it. Your instructions are so clear and detailed like the ground, neutral, hot sequence. Also, the holes in the wire strippers. Thank you. In my next life, I may come back as an electrician.
So glad to hear that this gave you confidence just always be careful. Love the comment when you come back your gonna be an electrician... Love it. Have a great day ☺
I like how you take the time to explain the whole process. Thanks
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Thanks for this, I am having serious issues around the house i just bought - First of all I have been going around looking for backstabbing, and the electrician who built the house in 94 backstabbed EVERY single receptacle outlet in my house. The guy who finished the basement years later did a standup job and there is no backstabbing.... That said, i have lots of overcrowded single gang boxes and I JUST this morning realized ' hey, maybe start converting to 2 or 3 gang where I can"..... Your video is very helpful and I appreciate how straightforward you made it!!!!
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Your video's is very through and precise. Thank you
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I feel so much more confident in doing this after watching your thorough video with explanation. Man, you did an AWESOME job!!!
I truly appreciate it and glad to hear that this made you feel more comfortable. Have a great day ☺
I've been watching your videos for a while. Thank you so very much!
My pleasure thanks for watching I appreciate it alot
I’m electrician so I just came cause I like watching electrical videos when I’m bored on UA-cam! But good job mate. If you can make videos on 3 phase or trouble shooting anything you run into in the field would be cool to watch.🤙🏽
I l would love to but my work is strick on camera use. It would be great though. I'm just like you, I watch others videos. I'm sure you can see the jack legs from the true tradesman. Thanks for watching and commenting ☺
You just cleared a doubt I had,Thanks a lot!
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Thank you sir. I was able to remove old box and make more room for recessed lights 12 gauge with this type of box.
Excellent videos thanks.. I will certainly watch your others
Awesome, I have a lot of new electrical videos coming out with the month so be on the look out for them
Bro just helped me level up my skills and tools. Thanks!
Glad I could help
Very nicely done! Thank you.
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Entertaining and informative. Thanks man!
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Awesome video! Thank you for NO fluff.
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Thank You! You were very clear and I think I can do this without a problem.
My pleasure and good luck 🤞
I have gotten stuck almost at the beginning as I can't get the old box out! I tried to find the video you refer to that shows a couple different ways to do that, but can't find it. I'm afraid I'll end up damafing my drywall so badly I'll be in for a huge repair job & that really isn't in my skill set!
I commented on your other post about the video that shows it let me know if you found it
Thanks for the tutorial :) So many good tips for DIY like me :)
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This is exactly what I needed
"Minus stab me in the back." Lol. I feel you though. Contractor life. Oh & thanks for the video.
Nice video learned a lot thanks for posting
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Just found your channel. Great content! Well explained. I’m not an electrician, but I’m in a specialty trade and have spent decades working on sites with all the other trades. I was on a job in MD many years ago and there was a grizzled old electrician there. He said he’d been on the board when wire nuts were specced. He was adamant that they were designed so the wire should not twisted. So I’ve always done it that way on my own projects. I’ve seen many skilled electricians like yourself twist the wires, so it seems there are two schools of thought 😊? (Not trying to start anything… I respect your opinion.)
Edit: I should add, I know the nec is super concerned about arcing, and loose wire connections are a major culprit.
Well I appreciate you and your comments. I know they are ok not to be twisted and like you said arcing.. I just have seen so many of the wires not twisted have issues later. I guess it's just like the wago debate are they good or not!! I am working on a video for that to really put them thru hell and see if they can hold up or not. I appreciate you watching and commenting ☺ have a great day ☺
This helped me tremendously
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Great video helped me a lot Thanks
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very good video. Thanks
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Such a good video. Straight to the point, down to earth and informative. Thanks for giving me the confidence to take this on. I want to change my 1 gang to a 2. I’d also like to take the light switch near by and make it a 2 SWITCH and run up to a newly installed pendant like. I think I can do this and your video shows the basic premise as well as some things to look out for. Subscribing.
Awesome so glad to hear that this helped you. And I do appreciate your subscription welcome to the mountaineer outdoors family ☺
@@MountaineerOutdoors thank you for the warm welcome! Excited to learn
I will try my best you can join the Facebook page if you want to. It's an easy way to ask questions if you have them. No worries if you don't want to.
I will be doing this job for the first time ever. You make it look easy. I watched and re watched and created a step-by-step instruction sheet to follow, pausing to snip pics to add to the instructions. Only question was when you're attaching the wires to the screws on the receptacle I had to figure out that you had the receptacle with the ground hole on the face of the receptacle upside down and then turned it 180 degrees to put the black wire on. You wound up with the ground hole down with ground and neutral on the left side and hot on the right side. I know I'm probably splitting wires here--HaHa! But I just want to make sure this old lady gets it right! Thanks for a great video. I will be installing a vented range hood next. I hope you have a video for that!
I appreciate your comment.. I do not have a video for a vented range hood. Glad to hear that this helped you. Have a great day ☺
Great video mate!
Thanks
Thanks for you video bro...
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Very good 👍 your way
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I hate electrical work and 110V makes me sweat. You clear instructions and notes of potential issues are welcoming. Tomorrow it's off to the local hardware store now that I feel confident in a successful outcome. No sweat! Cheers.
Awesome, keep me posted on how it turns out be careful and good luck
Great video!!!
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you are the best thank you Sir
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Very informative video. The only thing that was missed was what to do if there are two wires in the box. I'm guessing maybe you went over that while your battery was dead. Enjoyed it!
I thought I mentioned it in that video but I am pretty sure I mentioned it in this video ua-cam.com/video/hemPvdWl-v4/v-deo.html
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Excellent video. You did a great job of explaining the details, thanks! I think you missed explaining if there were two wires instead of one but I believe you covered that in another video?
I did mention it your right not sure if it was in this video or the other but I think I did it in both
@@MountaineerOutdoors I have a rather odd outlet that I am planning to replace. I know it's 110 but it's unlike any other outlet I've seen. Would you mind if I sent you a photo of it?
No go ahead and send it to me. Comer7844@gmail.com
3:39 I like this. Much better than my dumb stud-finder HomeDepot sells!
Yep I am pretty sure that they do
This was fantastic! "...that's half ass and that's no good." LOL
😂 😂 Yep I appreciate the nice words.
Good job man
Thank you I appreciate it
Looks good!, learned a lot!
Thanks man I appreciate it
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You're technical very good 👍
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the hard part is when you pull out the plate and outlets and find that there is a ton of wired crammed inside and worst of all, they are very short... but you are prepared with extra pieces of wire to make the pigtails. Great job.
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Are you allowed to have two wiring sources in a double gang. ? 1 15 amp amp and 1 20 amp circuit ? Both end of the line
Love watching your videos. Did notice screw on r/h receptacle still sticking out. No wire attached though.
Yep totally fine some people screw it in I use to all the time but very seldom anymore. And I appreciate you watching my video and commenting.
Nice
Great info, very well explained. Do you have a video on how to install a second receptacle if there are two sets of wires coming into the box?
ua-cam.com/video/xcof32Yjsjk/v-deo.html that's video is kinda what you may be looking for. Thank you for your comment and watching ☺
Nice work ……
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thanks again for both your videos on this topic. I have another question. You mentioned that you were going to screw this box into the stud. But I don't see you do it on the video. I am interested in doing the same thing but because the screws go in at an angle I don't know if that can work well. Do you have any advice? Thanks again.
You can easily do it in an angle. Or they make a right angle but you can buy and it will go in straight. I usually just run them in and move on to the next one.
I am below a novice and it drove me NUTS when those tabs would NOT work on a batch of boxes I had bought. I ended up running a drill bit to open them up. Seemed even overkill to me but it was so frustrating. Great videos.
I agree...thanks for watching and commenting
After many installs, Ive come to notice that once you pop in the box, turn your screwdriver counter clockwise 1-2 full turns prior to tightening the tab. This always seems to work as it gives the tab a little more depth behind the sheetrock.
exactly..thanks for commenting and watching.
Awesome job!! I normally I put some electrical tape around the terminals, it’s not code, it’s mostly for safety, otherwise I loved the way you explained step by step on how to do this job right.
Nothing wrong with taping it. Thanks for watching and commenting ☺
Excellent video. I will be doing the same project but was wondering if I can substitute the gang receptacle with 2 GFCI rated outlets. The outlets sit in the garage and at times might be subjected to moisture. Thanks.
I appreciate it and absolutely you can definitely put gfcis on them
@@MountaineerOutdoors Thank you sir!🙂
Yikes! I opened up an outlet & I have 3 wires coming into the box. I expected 2 as this outlet is in the hallway. There is a sconce that is above the outlet which is controlled by a light switch at either end of the hall. The light works off the breaker for the outlet, but how do I wire this in?
when I bought my house, I had to add these, both single , doulble, and triple gang boxes as my home is a manufactured home and the wiring devices were made by a company tthat no one sells.... so I had to upgrade all my switches and receptacles.... it was quite the chore.... but it basically was the same as what you are showing... in my home, they used Slater brand wiring devices designed for an RV..
Excellent, slater boxes definitely are an excellent brand I really like using them.
@@MountaineerOutdoors the slater wiring devices they used in my house were like the cut in boxes, they attached directly to the sheetrock... the problem was they were exclusive to the mobile home industry so, I upgraded everything to make it easier to replace... Slater is not sold in stores, like home depot and lowes... anyway the wiring boxes were upgraded and now I have the X-10 "Smart Home" system.... www.x10.com it works great!
I know those x 10 smart switches well. And your correct the slater boxes I had to buy from state electric supply I have never seen them in any store. Glad to hear that you got everything fixed to your liking
@@MountaineerOutdoors yuip, now the house is wired up to date... and I can use off the shelf wiring devices and not "Mobile home" wiring devices.... Thank God I know electrical!
Extra screw (for strength ) into the stud?
This outlet only had one set of wires so it was the last outlet in the circuit, how would you handle this if you had two sets of wires coming into the box and you will need to make sure you have power to the rest of the circuit. How does it look it you have additional outlets after this outlet?
Make pig tails
Hi when I was working for an electrician wiring houses it was 13 on a circuit, of course not all in a row
well technically per code you can do that but usually we always say around 10
Great video...! What's the name of the blue outlet box... my bathroom light switch box is loose and there is no wall stud to secure the outlet box to...
It's a carlon cut in box or a retro fit box
@@MountaineerOutdoors Thank you
I was just curious about the reason behind not letting ground wires touch. I guess that confuses me since they are connected with a wire nut. The other question I have, I just installed an outlet and I followed these steps (even though I'm watching it post-install to reassure myself I'm not going to burn the house down haha) The only issue I have is that when I plug the tester into the top outlet on both receptacles it trips the breaker. On the bottom plug, they both work fine. Any idea what might cause this?
The grounds can touch... The problem that you are having sounds to me that you have some wires crossed. I cannot think of anything else. As long as the tester is not plugged in everything is fine??
I have liked and subscribed to your channel. I know this video is 2.5 years old but still shows me everything I need but I had a question on using Wago connectors, what is your thought on them? Also, when you connected the wires (white to silver and black to brass) what connectors to use if you have multiple sets of screws? I know some outlets are singles, but others have two sets of connectors for the wiring and I think it is line in or load in and line out, so when would you connect to these different sets of connectors
I don't know if you have done drawings on this but that would be very handy to have to make sure I do it correctly with he outlet I work with. thanks again for you time you spend on these videos. Jim
I am not fond of wagos. I would just make a joint on the wires. I appreciate you watching and commenting and your subscription. Have a great day ☺
Loved the video. Question, at the beginning you mentioned something along the lines of it not being good to push the wires back "for obvious reasons" but as a homeowner who has never replaced a receptacle before, those obvious reasons are not very obvious to me 😬. Can you elaborate on that?
So I rewatched my video and I am not sure when I said that? I watched it again 2 times and never heard myself say that
@@MountaineerOutdoors sorry, I should have mentioned the timestamp. You start saying it around 2:50.
Ahhhh now I know what you mean here is a video explaining it. It's called back wiring and you can see from this video what I mean
ua-cam.com/video/UJ4UvQ7VAig/v-deo.html
How about using wago clips? Are they any better/ safer than the nuts? Thanks
My opinion is absolutely not wire nut all the way.
You know how to explain well
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If the wireing in the whole house has no ground wire? It's an old house with only hot and neutral wire. Can I install a receptacle connecting only the hot and neutral only?
Good question and the answer is no. You can put gfci to satisfy the code. And then the answer is yes but that will not give you a ground. The only way to get a ground is to upgrade in your situation.
Is there a building code for doing this conversion?
I'm not sure what exactly your asking for?
Did u ever do an add when it is not at the end of the line? Thx
No but good idea
Just did this in my garage based on your video. The only thing is the screw that you put in through the side. I read it’s against code to drive any screw/conductor from inside the box to outside. So I am curious if that’s true and second do you use a metal screw or is it safer in that case to just use a plastic deck screw since their not conductive. As usual thanks!
I honestly have never had a inspector say anything about it. The code I read now is 314.23 (B) (1). According to that from what I read is that you can go into the interior 6mm or 1/4 inch of the back or ends. This is out of my 2005 handbook. I will be checking with my local inspector for complete clarification. I will report back and make corrections on my video when I find out for sure. I have worked with the previous inspector before and no issues. If you know the particular code please reference it here for me to look at I cannot find it.
I have 2017 nec version and looks like it might be allowable now. I did it recently and just put some electrical tape over screw head. Seemed like a good solution.
Yeah I have talked to a few electricians who own a work in their business and they all say it's no violation.
So what happens if this is not the end of the circuit. How do you wire in the other wire that continues on?
Pigtail
Can you add a receptacle next to a gfi?
Absolutely ua-cam.com/video/Fe9hwE8dN_k/v-deo.html
Is this a bedroom or a shop? If a BR, what are four in one used for?
Is s bedroom. Mine is used for a night light, baby monitor, floor fan and the other is an echo dot
I have single gang switch, can I replace with two gang 1 switch 1 outlet?
Absolutely
My house to old and inside the 1 gang box only 1 red cable no white cable and ground cable, what should I do?
Question, I've been told that ground post for the outlet is correctly installed on top. Is that true?
Myth for sure...I do not prefer them and unless code or the inspector makes me there would be no way I will ever do that.. Good question though
Take note of what you see in hospitals. Thank you.
Show me in the code where it says that for any devices to be turned ground up?
@@tedlahm5740 code permits either way. Hospitals apparently began being done ground up back in the day, so the small metal tools used would not hit the live prongs of plugs if they were dropped. The tradition just carried on..
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By 10 receptacles per circuit does that include light switches?
No and that's just a rule of thumb... That's just what I keep it at. I also do not mix lights and receptacles on the same circuit
A receptacle is a receptacle, and a switch is a switch.
@@MountaineerOutdoors I have seen some guys pre-screw the blu tabs ahead of time to get them loosened up so they don't get stuck later.
Yes that's a good idea. My favorite box is the slater box that has metal ears.
@@MountaineerOutdoors They are higher quality for sure.
What about the extra screw to the stud. I didn’t see that you did that, or how.
Are you referring to the receptacle?
Those 2 gang old work boxes seems to be hard to find at the big box stores these days; they are selling a new style combingation old/new work boxes.
Wow here in Virginia they are plentiful they're all on the shelves everywhere
@@MountaineerOutdoors I've check the Dale City HD and Lowes via the app for the 2 gang old works box and they are not in stock. They have lots of 1 gang boxes. I guess a lot a people are doing home improvements now that they are home more often. I did find some 2 gang boxes at another store here in MD (upper marlboro), but supplies are low. I guess stock is coming in slower now.
Your right we had to go to our local ace hardware they had some.
Shouldn't you wrap electricians tape around the receptacles?
You can, but I do not it's not code. Good question though it's more of a personal choice.
I question what about if your house doesn’t come with ground because when I change the outlet one time it only had the white wire and black and I want to add to outlets like you did. How do I add the ground to them?
Your going to have to take a wire back to your panel. Or you can do it with a gfi. But the best way is to run a new wire back to your panel.
Why use a wire nut on the ground wires after twisting? Twisting is more than sufficient. Number of receptacles per circuit is: 13 for a 15Amp circuit and 10 for a 20Amp. Wire length is subjective but I think too long can make it difficult to put receptacles into box.
So first part of this question... You should put a wire nut on the grounds incase one comes loose then you will have a mess. As for the other part, there is no real code on the amount.. I do agree with you on your methodology that's how I wire for them when I run new circuits
@@MountaineerOutdoors code requires a crimped sleeve on the ground..if one leg of the ground comes loose after twisting then we have bigger issues...just saying. as you say, all other is subjective. As for the number of receptacles, there is code. As stated, 10 for a 15 A circuit and 13 for a 20A.
I'm not gonna argue with you on code on receps. I have been doing it long enough to know what the code reads as far as the ground it absolutely doesn't say you have to have a crimped sleeve. If you go above and beyond what the code reads you will be better off. Always saftey first.
I getting ready to do this very project soon. I noticed that you had 14 gauge Romex wire coming into the box but used 12 gauge for the short connector wires. Was that intentional or could you have used 14? Also, is there a standard length for the connector wires? It looks like about 6-8 inches. Thanks. Love your videos!
It was 12 Guage. It's the old wire before they started coloring it yellow. Yes 6 inches is code. I appreciate you watching and commenting ☺
How did you unscrew that so fast! My GOD. Barry Allen is real
Barry Allen?
7:05 that's what she said
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What if this outlet is in the middle of a line?
You will just have to make pigtails and wire it up.
Thanks. This video is a great explainer
I appreciate it. Hope everything works out for you
I thought cables were suppose to be secured to the stud . . . not just floating around loose behind a wall ? ! (by CODE) In which case, the initial electrician that did the install wasn't correct . . . since it wasn't, and isn't, nailed to the stud . . . right ? Your install looks like it would be pretty tight or downright too short with the existing cable length.
So if that particular Recep was put in after the fact, then by code it doesn't have to be stapled. Mine was stapled and I pryed the staple off the stud. As far as being too short by code standards yes.
@@MountaineerOutdoors My error . . . forgot grandfather effect. Thanks
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The original installer cut the wire insulation a little too much. The insulation should stick into the box a little bit so that the wires can't chafe on the box strain holes. Not a huge deal but for a wire at the end the line he/she should have made it a little longer. Regarding twisting the wires before installing the wire nuts, like you I always do as well but interestingly enough if you look at the instructions on wire nuts they say to just screw it on. You should have mentioned that when attaching the wire the outlet to always install it with the open end of the loop to the right so that when you tighten the screw it won't open the loop. I've seen to may DIY'ers do it the wrong way
Great advice maybe I should do a video on how to attach wires the right way thanks for watching and commenting ☺
Why not just put a jump cable from one recepicle to other is that bad or not recommend
That's completely fine
@@MountaineerOutdoors Based on his description, that would be extremely illegal, as it would be putting the receptacles in series. Depending on what got plugged into that/those receptacle(s), it could lead to either damaged equipment or an electrical fire.
No, that would be illegal based on how you are describing it. That would be putting the receptacles in series. Depending on what got plugged into that/those receptacle(s), it could lead to either damaged equipment or an electrical fire.
Belive he is referring to a jumper wire. And how would it do what you are saying?please elaborate?
Issue with you guy what is the gauge you are using 12/3 or 14/3 Wires Romex I know 15 amp receptacle use 14/3 wires, and 20 amp receptacle use 12/3 wires since you using 15 amp receptacles it's a 14/3 gauge not every one know what gauge it's need to be to be use with this application.
Ok so in my application my house is wired with 12-2 its white because it's older. And code says that you can use 15 amp receps on 12 Guage wire if there are 2 or more receps. Good question.
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12 gauge connected to 14 gauge??? i don't understand...please explain
Tell me where do you see or hear me mention 14 Guage???
@@MountaineerOutdoors the color of the casing around the wires...yellow=12 & white=14...
you sound angry...i'm not at all criticizing, im just learning
No absolutely not angry... Older romex use to be white. In my case that is true. When my house was built all my 12 Guage romex was white. Good question and glad to see that you picked that out. I love to engage in conversations trust me absolutely nothing that I meant to say was in s mad answer.
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At 7:07 (that’s what she said).
😂 😂 😂... I had to watch that part again 😂 😂 😂.. Nice hole
"always twist"? Ever had to troubleshoot behind someone that twists the hell out of the wires? real pain. Twist the wire nut good enough until the wires start to twist at the top and that is fine.
Yes I have definitely went behind people who over twisted. I would rather the joints be tight than loose.
Smh. Why is there always a guy like you in every comment section?
😂 😂 Truth