Doctor Who: Why Did People HATE Clara Oswald?!
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- Опубліковано 25 лип 2024
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I have a prediction, the next companion will be from 21 century London
Computers indicate a 99% chance that you are correct.
Whaaaaaaaaat? No, that never happens!!!!!!!1!!!
Denzy actully some were from cardif
Denzy Bill wasn't from London.
hughcri Amy and Rory were from lentworth or something 😂
I'm of the opinion that Clara is hated by so many fans because the writers fell in love with her; the longer she was involved in the series, the more she was protected from the consequences of her actions.
And then Face the Raven happened
In a jumper!
I think that was the point of Face The Raven, giving Clara the consequences she deserved for trying to be the Doctor.
Then they fucked it up with 12 bringing her back.
maskiiofficial i mean the whole point of “bringing her back” was that the action was /wrong/ - Clara had accepted her death and the Doctor trying to bring her back showed just how far he’d strayed from his morals thanks to their friendship. It wasn’t what she asked for, and was in fact the opposite of what she wanted, so he faced the consequences for his poor behavior and lost his memories of their friendship which were driving him to abandon his principles. i really liked it as a twist on the doctor wiping companion’s memories without their consent, such as with donna.
Like Rose basically
End of the day Jenna is an amazing actress and stunning. the writing is to blame, not her :)
I know, she smashed it
@@arthurmccauley3020 she kicked ass with what was written had it been better written clara oswald would have been better
The Victorian version of Clara was actually the most interesting. Her introduction to the modern era would have been a good ongoing plot device.
Honestly my only problem with Clara is that she became way too important way too quickly, so did Ashildr.
first lad ashildr? Two dull characters get a TARDIS and..... what? Nothing ?
Billie piper went instant important.
first lad that is a really shit opinion.. sorry but what... i have never heard so much shit. So did every other companion
@@paulashe7460 That might be true but all the main companions have to have some sort of importance in the DW universe in order for them to keep being the main companions. Rose went from 0 to 60 in a matter of 2 or 3 episodes. Id say Clara was flushed out as a character even better with her whole back story with her mom and all the other stuff. As compared to Bill Potts, which I liked a lot, left me a bit bitter when at the end she got "saved" by the girl in the puddle? Really? In my opinion that was a missed opportunity.
As for Ashildir, never really cared much about that character. My only guess is that sinces shes played by Maissie Williams thats why she made her up to be "important" which in my opinion, she really wasnt. Didnt do an awful lot her character.
NorthLaneJ I thought bugger why waste a great TARDIS on those two?
Sorry but who is she? I haven't got a clue
You don't want to know. You really don't.
Twelfth Doctor oh my god, I just got it
Lol
Touché, well played. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾I smile as you walk away playing a familiar melody on your electric guitar.
Twelfth Doctor lol
I thought Clara's arc should've ended with the reveal as to why she was the Impossible Girl, with her possibly dying at the end. Would have had a much more profound impact.
I agree. She was a plot character, not a real companion.
Having her in the TARDIS felt wrong, especially considering how she 'evolved'.
Duh! The reason Clara became more and more "powerful," as Crispy Pro put it, was because it was all leading up to her death! The point of her becoming reckless and believing she was as capable as the Doctor was that THIS was exactly what CAUSED her death. You have to look at the whole picture.
I liked Clara a lot. As someone else posted here, following up on Amy and Rory was difficult (I would even call it a "thankless" job).
The only time I had a real problem with her was the way she reacted to Smith regenerating into Capaldi. It didn't make sense...she had met the Doctor's previous incarnation (Tennant) during the 50th anniversary storyline, so why would she have a problem with his different appearance? (Of course, that wasn't the actor's faultj--it just wasn't written well enough to explain her confusion.
Don't understand the hate at all, though.
Glad to hear she died. I stopped watching before then. Good riddance to her.
clara and the doctor had a flirtatious relationship, clearly attraction there on both sides, clara was the smartest companion the doctor ever had, able to keep up with his insanely fast dialogue. which is why she was picked in the casting. she was maybe kept on as companion for slightly too long. and yes amy and rory for me are above her because they gave birth to the doctors eventual wife river song, and there tragic demise as well. i put rose first as the doctors love of his whole life, 2 amy and rory 3 clara 4 donna (and wilfred). i judge this based on the emotional impace of bidding farewell to them. in terms of pure importance to the timeline-it would be amy and rory first, then rose then clara..
It was the fact that she felt she would spend her entire life with Smith, she was compeltley in love with him. Smith to Capaldi was the biggest personality and overall change in all of Doctor Who. Capaldi was confused, and had forgotten Clara, still she stuck by him and tried to help him. Everything had changed so fast, and she was scarred by the fact that she had been left behind by The Doctor twice, that is why she became more and more like The Doctor, so she wouldn't be expendable. She wanted to be with The Doctor forever. Before he was young and the love of her life, then he was old and confused. Everything about him had changed, all except one thing, he was The Doctor, and he loved her, and that's what she had to be reminded of.
shaun humphreys hollow script. As for quips jo and 3rd were great. Her last scene him driving away is heart breaking.
She knew, objectively, that the Doctor regenerated, and had met other incarnations, but she still considered Eleven to be “her” Doctor, so to speak - the Doctor she knew and trusted most who knew her best. When he changed, and changed so strongly, becoming cold to her and incredibly different, she understood the emotional reality of regeneration and grieved the loss of Eleven, her friend, to someone regarding her very much like a stranger.
Clara wasn't my favorite companion.
Donna Noble has left the library; Donna Noble has been saved.
"You fought her off with a water pistol? I bloody love you!"
“Santa’s a robot!”
One of my favorite episodes, as well as one of my top Christmas-themed episodes in television history 😊.
For me, it was because every episode with her in it felt like fan fiction, written by her. The whole story revolved around her for no reason, everyone listened to and respected her for just no reason. She was like a blank slate for fan-girls to replace themselves with, and despite dominating the story, added nothing to it.
The vast majority of Rose's run revolved around her. Clara was not a blank slate she had character traits, motivations and autonomy outside of the doctor. she wasn't just along for the ride.
Acendiat Media well... Not really. Outside of trying to be the doctor and a footnote about poor Danny pink and that's pretty much her character. Rose annoyed me at first but won me over by not just trying to be the doctor we she got powerful.
Clara had a pretty distinct personality. Have you stopped to think that maybe she wasn't trying to be the doctor? She was being herself but how dare a companion try to be something other than a sidekick. She didn't get reckless because she was trying to be the doctor but because she was trying to feel something after danny's death. I am glad that Rose won you over by staying in her place .
She wasn't being herself, that's my whole point. "Trying to be the doctor" just isn't a personality, no matter how you spin it. Everything else you said is a subjective opinion to excuse what I said in your own mind, not any sort of argument, and especially not one I'd agree with. She just added nothing.
Oh, and I love how a women NOT just copying a man is somehow the more sexist thing to you. That's a pretty pathetic, ignorant, self-absorbed way to look at it. Those poor girls, all having to act like themselves! Only Clara was 'individual' enough to copy a MAN! ... Yeah, I'M totally the sexist one, WTF!
Other characters (especially the Doctor) where written as incompitent to build her up. More then once the Doctor was foiled by an unlocked door during Claras time.
Padparadscha incompetence happens when genius head is so busy they can’t find their arse with both hands.
am i the only one who actually loved clara as a companion, and loved how she's involved in the doctors personal life
also people need to stop hating on jenna when they only hate the character she plays
Caitlin Mather I like her too !!
I hated Clara
Nah, I enjoyed her as a companion. She did have a lot more power than most previous companions, but it was done in a way that made sense. I mean she stepped into his time line. And it changed her. It was sad she became so reckless. But taking on the Doctor's morals and feeling like she was invincible on top of Danny's death it also made sense.
Addendum: Rose also had a bit of power on the Doctor too though if we think about it. Shit she looked into the heart of the TARDIS, and absorbed the Time Vortex in a sense. She was also laced through the Doctor's History. Bad Wolf anyone? I've half wondered if we'd ever see that crop up again honestly, but who knows. She had a small part to play in the 50th anniversary as the Moment anyway. But Clara wasn't the first to bend the rules as a companion anyway.
I hate how Clare retconned the Doctor's entire backstory to make herself literally THE MOST IMPORTANT person to ever cross his path. She went back in time to kickstart his adventure, it reads like a fanfiction.
Greatsaiyakirby considering how doctor who is constantly retconing it's back story it don't see it of two much of an issue
Iron Wolf
It's alright when the Doctor does it because the show is about him.
I think she just gets way too much credit for being 'special' and they kept pushing her 'uniqueness'- it just irritated me.
THIS. THANK YOU.
This is my primary reason for hating her: she's just a self-insert of Moffat's ego. 50 years of Who, and he retconned all the major landmarks so HIS companion is responsible for them all? F**K YOU, Moffat.
and a bad fanfiction at that.
Mary Sue-esque
The only negative things I can think of with Clara are that she really didn’t fit well with Danny Pink; their relationship was extremely bland. Also by the end she was a bit annoying because she wanted trouble and adventure (like when she was hanging off the TARDIS). But when she died and said “Let me be brave” I remembered how much I love her character. People seem to think that you have to be strong and comedic and badass to be interesting. Clara was not boring or bland in any way. She was young and terrified but the adventures with the doctor allowed her to be brave. The doctor noticed the change he had made in her and he regretted the fact that although she was brave, she was starting to lose herself. She is my favourite companion and showed great growth as a character. She was never meant to be strong, she was meant to be brave.
I didn't really find her recklessness annoying. Really it just showed that she felt like she didn't have much else to live for. In a way she was still depressed after Danny's death. Maybe she felt like there's no point in trying to survive anymore if she can't be an ordinary human being and have a normal life. Might as well live as much as you can and experience all the adventure that you could take hold of until it's your time to go. She never really felt like she could fit in as a normal person anyway. That was always an important part of her character.
What was Danny Pink all about ? Dull boring actor too. Made no sense character wise.
I very much agree Danny pink came out of nowhere so was being a teacher though I do love Clara (sorry if you disagree ) she is one of my favorite companions
Clara was a lot like sara jane i think
@@bec324 No I agree with that completely!
I adore Jenna and like Clara. Just didn't care for them making her the most important character in all of Doctor Who history.
But she's not... The Doctor is. Clara was born to save The Doctor because The Doctor was so important. All his other companions have saved him before, so whats the big deal? The fact that she became more like The Doctor was intentional, not to make her look special or badass, it was to show how much of a burden that was, how to toxic The Doctor's and Clara's relationship was, and mostly, how, no matter how hard you try, you can't be the same as The Doctor, no matter how invincible you feel, you're still Human, and that was her downfall. I think it was dark, and beautiful. What happens when you run and keep running, you think you're catching up, but one wrong move and...
L̶a̶d̶y̶ Fox Ŵøłfæ there's a difference between saving the doctor in situations relating to the plot of the story to making a company literally go in the doctors time streaming saving him over and over again I think that's so stupid and rubbish writing to say Clara jumped in a time stream and saved the doctor and every incarnation
@@ljllob4740 Well that's your opinion, but I don't know why you think it's stupid. I mean The Doctor has amazingly survived so many times, I don't see you complaining about that? XD
L̶a̶d̶y̶ Fox Ŵøłfæ so because the doctor has to survive that can excuse a rubbish cop out ending where all Clara had to do is walk a step there was no arc to her leading there she just stood with doctor all episode and just went in his time stream because reasons she is a Mary stu if u don't know what that means look it up
@@ljllob4740 I know what that means, even though you did spell it wrong. It might have been shorter than I would have wanted but I also enjoyed it. I didn't want it to be ignored in season 8, but it was. There's nothing we can do about it now. Even so I enjoyed the episodes, and out of anything, the character was worked on the most. She was not by any means a Mary Sue, how do I know this? Because I've known many Mary Sue's.
I LOVED Clara, she was like my favorite companions, and when she died, I literally cried. I don’t get how people don’t like her
Agreed. Amy Pond was my favorite. But Clara would be next. Unfortunately, the companions that followed Clara have all been totally worthless and forgettable.
YES
@@colin1818 facts 💯
@@colin1818 agree and disagree there. Bill and Nardole were great. I liked Graham (and Dan too but I understand you wrote this before his time). However, Ryan and Yaz really were total sh*te
There are tons of reasons and videos about why ppl hate her, including this one😂
On the other hand, there are also some of us don’t understand why would anyone like he. I just finished S8&S9 and I’m horrified that DW can bore me so much, and a bad writing of a companion can ruin a show so much😂
Clara was just way too special without any real reason for the audience to find her more special than any of the other companions.
Plasticplas1 Yeah, she was pretty much just a Mary Sue
That because Clara is a Mary Sue character.
yeah they should've said that she was created by bad wolf
Plasticplas1 Do you guys not remember that Clara was specifically picked by missy for the doctors companion. Missy knew what it would be
Sema River, Amy, and Rorey were way more important
I honestly just loved Amy and Rory so much that anyone that came after them wasn't going to meassure up.
Amy and Rory made me want to THROW UP just looking at them. I couldn't watch 1/2 of their stupid episodes because then I'd have to see them! BLECHHHHHHHHH
They are gold! I love Amy and Rory. I do nor accept any companions after them :)
their run was literally the most consistently great the Show has been since it cam back. was there any actual reason you didn't like them or are you just closed minded.
Not true. I loooooved David Tennant, but Matt Smith did an amazing job and I embraced him from episode one. It is much harder to follow up an extremely beloved Doctor than it is to follow up a companion. Especially since her characters (the ones that died) were alright. She didn't start off at a disadvantage like Matt Smith did.
Amy Rory were the best companions as a duo. The overall best would me Donna.
I feel like it would have been best if she just kept popping up, *maybe* companion-ing for an episode or two, but not becoming what she did. They could have kept the plotline about why she kept popping up but not thrown her into the companion position.
They should have had at least 2 or 3 more pop up versions before she became a full companion. There are a lot of possible stories. I agree that it would be cool if they had one version that was a companion for 3 or 4 episodes and then dies only for the doctor to meet another version later. Her story should have ended with The Name of the Doctor. I'd like to see Jenna Coleman come back as a different Clara though.
There's no reason why the snowman?s' experience of time (travel) would be the same as the doctor , so Clara should be able to go forward into those memories, since it is all in the past for the old tardis.
I agree, Clara is more of a endless paradox of a complicating time gene happening over and over again, and when she saved the Doctor by going in all of his past, it makes sense how there were multiple versions of her, but maybe it would make sense that she made a pop-up in the future, to save the Doctor once again.
Exactly. I think Clara would have been great as a part time character. She could also be like an omen for the Doctor. Everytime a version of Clara shows up something bad is about to happen. It could have been a funny bit with each itteration of Clara after Name of the Doctor bringing him both joy and dread at the same time.
Exactly, people just don't like Clara because she seems to OP or important, making other characters seem even less than useless.
Someone said that they liked her, if not for the fact she had become the most important character on Doctor Who, and I responded:
But she's not... The Doctor is. Clara was born to save The Doctor
because The Doctor was so important. All his other companions have saved
him before, so whats the big deal? The fact that she became more like
The Doctor was intentional, not to make her look special or badass, it
was to show how much of a burden that was, how toxic The Doctor's and
Clara's relationship was, and mostly, how, no matter how hard you try,
you can't be the same as The Doctor, no matter how invincible you feel,
you're still Human, and that was her downfall. I think it was dark, and
beautiful. What happens when you run and keep running, you think you're
catching up, but one wrong move and...
Thank u! THIS! Exactly this! Bus i gave up on the Whovian Fandom anyway.. They are just weird.. At first they Hyped the shit out of Moffat and now they pretend like He was worse than any other Showrunner before lmao
@@GLBizzie Ik XD
None of his companions were so important that they mad him into the Doctor. She not only influenced his child hood, got to learn his name without his consent, she told him which Tardis to pick, and saved him through out his time line. Don’t act like any of his other companions were ever that important.
I thought Clara was a fantastic companion. Time stream connection is just awesome.
I agree. She was one of my favourites
What ever people think of The Character you can't deny Jenna Coleman is a babe
JustSomeRandomGuy Online Your right she's hot
The only thing we can agree on!
Nah you must be thinking of Capaldi. ;)
she's fit, as we say in the UK
MOZ I know I'm from The UK
clara was one of my favorite Doctor Who companions. I thought she played her character well and I was sad to see her go.
1. Clara was ret-conned into the Doctor's entire continuity. As if that wasn't enough, she got ret-conned again into his childhood.
2. Clara the Doctor - continuous recurring theme starting in Flatline (which was actually pretty good), then the insulting ruse in the series 8 finale, culminating with her own TARDIS? It sure has the look of Moffat angling for a spin-off. Maybe he thought a female Doctor wouldn't fly.
3. Clara the liar - she is so lying and duplicitous, especially to poor Danny Pink. And to think Danny overcomes his programming through Power of Love(tm) for someone so dishonest.
4. Clara "quits" - She quit in Kill the Moon. Then un-quit, quit again, and un-quits again while lying to both parties involved in a single episode. Quits again in the finale while lying. And then back the very next episode. All in the span of less than a year! Gone again in Face the Raven, "and then Hell Bent came around"!
One of these alone might be ok. But add them all up with the inconsistent characterization and she's terrible. She's almost bad fan-fiction.
TinyWarfare Regarding #2: You do realize Moffat himself predicted Doctor 13 would be female? Rewatch Joanna Lumley's absolutely fabulous performance in "Curse of Fatal Death". So he did believe a female Doctor would one day fly.
TinyWarfare what was Danny Pink all about?
Tedious and cyberbones? No science. And that bloody Brigadier cyb just stupid.
Christopher U.S. Smith should have happened when Tom Baker said I wish the best of luck who ever he or she is!
My problem with Clara is that the show became more about her than the doctor, people try to say the same thing about Rose but I disagree, the show back then was more about their ROMANCE but not about HER, the doctor was still the main character. While I wouldn't say that Clara lacked personality traits, I would say that she was given way too much power as a character, to the point were she was bordering on being a Mary Sue; She was born to save the doctor, made him pick the right Tardis, save his life a thousand times all in the same episode which made it feel unearned, and then later the whole 'fear is your companion' thing which pushed it. Why did it feel unearned? At the time she had only been on the show for half a season + her other shelve cameos, when in comparison, every other companion since the reboot had a whole season before their (lesser) 'big moment'.
I agree about Oswin though, The only thing was she did have some revisions but I did like her overall
Rose is still the worst.
Kathryn Dixon Doctor Who, in the first place, actually was all about the companions. The Doctor, was just a mysterious character while Susan and the others were the actual MAIN characters. Then it changed to evolve around the Doctor, so returning the former role to a companion would be quiet interesting.
Kathryn Dixon heres the thing
The show is about the companion
The doctor is well the doctor, we cant really relate to him, so the show really wouldnt work without the companions
People hated her because her character suffered from Wesley Crusher Syndrome...
She was the answer to way too many conflicts, and they kept bringing her back...
And back...
And back...
You get the idea...
Which was kind of her character arc, because she is the impossible girl.
Exactly this.
Traumglanz That doesn't make it good.
It would have been good if her run ended with Name of the Doctor
Traumglanz
What character? She was a walking talking plot device/deus-ex machina. Now none of this was Jenna's fault, she did an amazing job with what she had to work with, but when you work with a turd, it's still going to be a POLISHED turd in the end, and a polished turd is still a turd.
I'm still surprised people dislike Clara so much…
I bet she had a really good agent negotiating for her.
Clara wasn’t a character. That’s why people hated her, her personality was whatever she needed to be at the time for the writer, she was funny only when the writer clearly felt it had been too long since there was a joke, she was defiant and clever only when the writer needed her to be to finish the episode’s story etc. Doctor Who should be a character based show, it should be a show where you have great, well fleshed out entertaining characters and then storylines of the episodes should be based around fleshing out those characters, look at Buffy The Vampire Slayer, perfect example, a show where almost every episode is centred around showing the audience what awesome characters they have, the storylines themselves aren’t important because they don’t have to be, you’ll find yourself enjoying an episode just as much whether the characters are fighting monsters or sitting in a living room doing nothing just because of how wonderfully crafted and detailed the characters are. Clara’s era in the show was not a character based run, her entire character was centred around a storyline with zero payoffs, zero proper explanation and zero build up, she was there to flesh out a story, and a severely underwhelming story at that. Out of all the companions DW has had, Clara is the only one that stands out as boring. Whatever people say about Rose, Amy, Donna, etc, they were fleshed our characters, put Rose and Donna in a room with any monster you like, the dialogue writes itself, you know exactly how they’d react, meanwhile put Clara in a room with a particular monster, how would she react? She could react in any way you want her to because she doesn’t have a proper fleshed out personality. It’s a true shame. Hopefully under Chibnall we can return to episodes/seasons that are there to make us love characters again, not just use them as a ploy to tell a story, using characters as a ploy to tell a story is how a one off serious drama show should be developed, not a show like Doctor Who which should be a show where you’re taken on a journey every week with characters you love to spend time with and look forward to seeing again and worry about when something happens to them and laugh when something insane happens to them and cry when something sad happens, that’s what the show should be, not like how the show was with Clara as the companion.
I can't disagree with you, but Jesus, man, paragraphs, please
you made a good point
Well you certainly cannot blame her for that,it is after all their show.
You have too much time to write that much
Reece Wilkins I agree. She was damn easy on the eyes tho Boi 🤪
My problem with Clara is that she is a Mary Sue character. She is really the fantasy version of Steven Moffat and it eventually get a bit tiring.
Her Mary Sue status also explain why she save the doctor multiple time and never really die. In the end, the doctor like Mary Sue so much (I mean Clara) that she have to erase his memory of her because that make him too reckless.
Philippe Marcil THIS!!!!!!!!! I read loads of fanfic and she's a total Mary sue and way over powered.
Jesus fucking Christ does every criticism of a female character have to come down to “she’s a Mary Sue uwu”? She was poorly written and formed the catalyst for Moffat’s irritating tendency to make everything the absolute biggest most important thing in the history of the show no really, that doesn’t mean she was an overpowered flawless self insert for the writer.
True, in that episode with a bunch of Claras all I saw was Moffat circle jerking with himself.
I didn’t really hate Clara, though. She was meh overall but had a few cute moments.
Philippe Marcil
Haters always use the words "Mary Sue" to try to justify their hate. All it does is show how worthless they are.
And you don't even know why he erased his memory of her. You may need to re-watch that part. Don't spread lies and ignorance.
+Tasorius Wow, your comment really proves you're no better than the haters. Yeah, let's completely ignore everyone's personal agency and right to decide for themselves what they like and don't like because of the term "mary sue".
Clara was a huge mary sue, that's undeniable. I didn't personally hate her, but I can understand why people wouldn't feel invested in such a character. Clara was basically a self insert of Moffat.
In case you still don't understand why, the reason she is a mary sue is because she's perfect. If you watch every episode with Clara you'll see that she can do nothing wrong. Hell, she's lecturing the Doctor on a daily basis. Then we find out that she's the solution to everything in the most half-assed, bullshit asspull of an explanation I've ever heard.
These days Doctor Who is barely even Sci-fi anymore, it's just fiction. At it's worst, it's straight up fantasy. Guess that's what happens when you leave nerd culture to hack frauds for showrunners.
This is my thing with Moffat's big special characters. Ashildr, River Song, Clara... they're too last minute. Characters like that need to be planted early on and allowed significant time to grow, with lots of space in between. And there can't be loads of them because every time he makes a new one the others seem less special. Jack Harkness, I think he's an RTD/Moffat hybrid character, was the one done almost perfectly I'd say. When they actually introduce him, he's not even recognizable and while he gets a little featured the Face of Boe is totally subtle. Then they introduce him like any other companion and they let his character grow on the audience as per usual. Then, after leaving a little hint by showing him come alive again, they cut him off. But they don't do the, "we can never see each other again because of plot!" spiel, they just leave him and the audience just assumes that's his farewell. They go an entire season without him, except for a bit when he's unrecognizable. No fireworks, no mention, he just fades. Almost another entire season goes by before we finally see the Jack we recognize, and his return makes complete sense because the writers planned it. This is so clever because now Jack is nostalgic, and it's so fun to see how Jack interacts with the Doctor's new companion. The concept that Jack is immortal is explained, but it's not the center of the Doctor's world. In fact, he doesn't really like to be around him because Jack is just 'wrong.' You aren't distracted by the writers fawning over their creation, they just sit back and let the fans do the squealing. We get the arc to his plot polished off and it's a total, "holy shit" entrance for the Master. Now anytime they bring him back, he's a welcomed visitor that makes total sense. In fact, I'm sure they could bring him back for a whole season and it would flow quite naturally. Clara, while it's so hard to dislike her because of her actress... is too forced and has an inconsistent personality. Clara would be successful if they stretched her out for several seasons. Just a character that seemed to pop up and die and slowly let the Doctor realize that it's the same person sacrificing herself for him over and over and over again. Imagine if they started her as early as nine, replace her with the sweet girl in the Big House. That would make the jumping into the time stream a fantastic topper to a large character. And then yes, you are totally right. She's a character that absolutely needs to die as her final farewell. The Doctor gets to travel with her once and for all, even for an extended time, only for her to do what she's always done... die saving him. Moffat has great character ideas... he just doesn't execute them well then repeats himself. You ever seen The Adventures of Tintin? If not you should, Moffat wrote the scene, "The door should have been locked" in this movie first, then simply rehashed it for the Doctor's 50th. I get so frustrated when I start to see that.
To be fair Riversong wasn't pure Moffat. In fact river song basically wasnt moffat at all as far as I am aware
River song first popping up in the library was a great tease at the later seasons; she felt too common later on but it didn’t feel lasts minuet to me.
Barbara Wright made the Doctor. She’s amazing. Cool calm stoic. Gentle but firm always strong. Nothing wrong with the sighs and screams. Just the lazy writing doesn’t have the males doing it in impossible situations. The first story is simply terrifying. Civilised people face with brutal stupidity. Even more dangerous is when the stupid become self aware and they blame the other for showing them up.
I love Clara. She was my second favourite companion.
Why
Me too. Rose is my first.
I didn't hate Clara for the very same reason I didn't like her: she wasn't a character. She was a plot point in Season 7 and a mouthpiece for Moffat's clever dialogue in Season 8. By season 9 I'd all but given up any hope of figuring out who the hell she was meant to be.
There was nothing there to feel anything for one way or another. That's why I reacted so badly to Steven's insistence that I should, nay, MUST care about her.
The importance that he placed on her wasn't earned. She was terribly thinly sketched and the sketching that was there changed too often to be believed.
I knew who Rose was. I knew who Martha was. I knew who Donna was, and Amy and Rory and Bill.
But Clara was a cypher who was put on a pedestal she never deserved. I always resented that.
That is how I felt about her, only during seasons 7 and 8. On the opposite, I actually started to like her in season 9, before that I found her to be an empty poster-girl just posing around, but in season 9 she showed to be more subtle. Her manipulative way (though with good intentions most of the time), her ego, her consciousness of responsibility, her stoicism... Good or bad, those traits made her an actual character, even if it's harder to notice than Donna's simple awesomeness.
But maybe the fact that I stopped watching a couple of years after s8 helped me get in s9 with a fresh view about her, perhaps I simply don't remember the inconsistencies you're talking about. Taken separately, s9's Clara is interesting in my humble opinion.
Anyway, not my favourite character, but I'll remember her way better than Rose.
Tim Austin your explanation make sense, never thought of it that way
Tim Austin I was thinking the same. She had no character at all. The actress is good but who was she playing? A babysitter and a bit ditzy. Then she was a flirty kid with Matt Smith...and not a convincing one. Then she was randomly a teacher with a boyfriend out of nowhere. She had no purpose, reason or motive...and then like every companion she has some backstory that makes her better than a time lord. It was a different independent character she was playing every week
I hated mainly hated her when it became too much about her soldier boyfriend and the doctor after everything the doctors done along slide clara she didn't seem to give a damn that he was saying the doctor uses people and never fights to save people
Amen, Tim. I really loved the possibilities of Clara and really enjoyed the dynamic between her and Capaldi. When the Doctor changed she had the same challenge that Rose did when her Doctor change. But even more so because she was no longer in love with him in that way. Yet they formed a fantastic bond that went beyond that romance. That was such a wonderful and in some respects fresh take on it all.
The problem I felt was this whole "Impossible Girl" thing. She became not a character, but a device to further Moffat's dicey storytelling.
My biggest problems with the series since Moffat has taken over is this need to play games with the arc. Why can't we just have a series where they just go on adventures? Why does there always have to be some ulterior thing going on? Clara and Capaldi's Doctor would have been perfect for that, but they had to toss in Missy (a character I really dislike almost as much as River Song) and make this whole thing.
I miss the classic Who's when they just traveled through space and time and enjoyed the thrill. I think that's one reason I loved the Donna series so much. Even though there was an arc there, it still felt like to companions taking a trip through time and space together. The Doctor showing his latest companion all the cool things out there in the universe. I think the production company has forgotten that the companion is essentially a stand in for the audience. And we need someone to relate to.
They never allowed Clara that chance. And that's unfortunate. But then I don't think Capaldi had much of a chance to shine in the role as I think he could have. It was especially fun the closer we saw him get to (Capaldi's) punk roots.But nope...close but no cigar. What could have been. What ultimately was wasted.
I thought this video was 2 years old, scrolled down to the date, heard you say she's coming back again THIS Christmas.
It never ends.
She didn't, just a copy of her memories.
I wouldn't mind seeing Jenna Coleman come back as one of the other versions.
I did not care for her run with Matt Smith because she was strictly a plot device. Yes, I agree during the rest of her run she was often given too much impossible power over the universe. I also agree with what someone said about her being a bit lost in space (no pun intended) since she, like many of Moffat's companions, did not have much of anything keeping her tied to Earth. However, what truly redeemed her for me and gave her a special place in my heart was her amazing friendship with Capaldi's doctor. Despite Moffat's often convoluted writing, the dialogue and actions between Clara and the Doctor were pure love. Ex, "When do I not see you?" and "Do you really think I care for you so little that betraying me would make a difference?" Among others. Though more outside character development would've been nice, their bond is what made me love Clara.
I always thought it was like different versions or different timelines of Clara not just one single Clara
It is, but the show focused on modern day Clara, and expanded her character.
Comment section analysis:
15% Fuck Clara I hate her
35% Jenna's hot
25% I don't mind her
25% I LOVE clara
It's more like:
50% Dislike/Hate Clara
30% Like/Love Clara
20% are talking about her actress' appearance
i love clara
Well I don't.
The Blackarrow 2% fuck Clara she's hot
LOL Fuck Clara I hate her as much as River Song. SOOOOOOOOO over done. storylines SOOOOOOOOO contrived.
Jenna Coleman is very attractive & a good actress, but the character of Clara Oswald was sooo unbalanced in the show as to ruin any enjoyment, Clara took over the show to the point where it literally became "The Clara Oswald" show and she was sooo smug with it as well. The Doctor was practically relegated to the "chorus line" playing second fiddle.
The program is primarily about the Doctor and all other characters are secondary and basically cannon fodder. Companions are changed on a regular basis and NEVER become lead characters. Their primary purpose is to be assistants to the Doctor like Jo Grant etc, even Romana; a Time Lord herself; never did that to the Doctor.
The show was always about the companions. The feel was always supposed to have the companions bridge the audience into relating to the show and a kind of what would you do if you met the doctor.
Richard Rayner i couldn't have said it better myself. She took all the limelight, and made the Doctor look like an idiot.
The Doctor is an idiot, and has said so himself many times.
Richard Rayner i completely agree , it was more like Clara Who than Doctor at times
Clara had better writing then Peter C.
I liked here at the beginning, she was an interesting character with an intriguing mystery wrapped around her story.
The problem is she:
1) Over stayed her welcome, she should have left the series much earlier
2) She started to become the central character of the show over the Doctor
i like Clara Oswald she was one of my favorite companions
I loved Dalek Clara, I loved Victorian nanny Clara, I loathed companion Clara.
mostly agree with you. At first companion Clara was cool....but eventually she became annoying.
dalek clara was so cool tho omg
MisterHughes INNIT!!
Agreed
I liked companion Clara but I think the should have ended her story with "The Name of The Doctor" or very shortly after. Past that episode her continued journey with The Doctor seemed to be going nowhere. She was fun to have around and I like Jenna Coleman but what was the point of having her around. After we know how important she is to The Doctor her presence in the rest of the stories seemed to lose its charm. No mystery.
*This is just like the "Why do people hate Jodie Whittaker" episode - you DIDN'T answer the question. You gave us a detailed synopsis of Clara's journey and your own personal opinion, but your barely touched on why she was controversial.*
*I actually really like Clara; she's one of my favourites and I was genuinely interested to hear some decent arguments against her so that I could see it from the other side. But I didn't learn anything I didn't already know and I wish you would stop putting these clickbait titles up that appear in my recommendations.*
They kept her around too long. They NEVER NEVER NEVER should have done ONE story past the Raven. It was a realistic death, and EVERYTHING after that is CONTRIVED.
Eccentrik Hat she's boring. She feels like a self insert.
For me personally, the first 2 introductions of the Oswald character were better written and likeable. The Clara that the audience was "stuck" with was naggy, selfish and used for the BS "the girl who saved the doctor" storyline. I thought that for someone who supposedly knew so much about the Doctor; because she went through his timeline; and was the reason he got a reboot with his regeneration cycle, how she initially treated Capaldi's Doctor was deplorable. Smith's Doctor was dying of old age literally, he knew it was his last life and she told the timelords to save him. To then abandon him was terrible, and any respect I had for the character went away. I personally liked Danny Pink, I hated his death and loved the last Christmas exchange they had together. I think Moffat wasted TWO character redeeming deaths for Clara that ultimately cheapens her overall character.
*You don't need to type everything in bold*
Eccentrik Hat The guy seemed scared to say what he really thinks. Bit of a pussy tbh
I was half-hoping that she was secretly the daughter they made and forgot he has.
That would be closing out a plot hole tho.
8:34 She became more reckless partially because of Danny's death
The best companions have always been the ones that outgrow the Doctor. Rose became a capable leader, but she backslid into an obsessed fangirl. Martha, Mickey, Jack, Donna, Amy, Rory and Bill all grew into better versions of themselves. Donna's tragedy is that she lost all of it. But Clara didn't grow..she became worse over time. Worse than that, she was forced on us as "the Impossible Girl", the one who saves the Doctor throughout his timeline...the MOST IMPORTANT COMPANION EVER....that title has to be earned, not given.
Clara would have worked better as a reoccuring character(s) like River Song with the whole timestream thing wrapped up several seasons later. I don't hate her like many and do kind of like her but she was wasted.
Don't forget the classic era. BEST by miles is Sarah Jane Smith
How can you say that and *not* include Ace?!
Cybermat47 Ace is Ace. Definately. Good call . Clever, courageous and most importantly carrying an endless supply of Nitro 9
Although she did get herself mixed in the Doctor's Timeline I do not consider her the most important companion ever.
My favourite companion is Donna. Her story was so opposite than Clara.
Literally though
Donna Didn't think she was special
Clara thought she was brilliant and clever
Donna seemed ordinary the turned out to be extraordinary
Clara seemed impossible but then was completely normal
Donna forgot the Doctor
The Doctor forgot Clara
/\ Credit to the tumblr post from myclara
I think Donna was more humble Clara was ok being confident and it helped the dr and herself but it got strange in the end 😣
Donna was the best.
Yeah, she was definitely one of the better companions.
A lot of people like Donna only because she ended up not being right after Rose. They put Martha there, and made her suffer through Ten's lament over Rose. When Donna came back, Martha walked away, snapping Ten back to his senses.
Clara was by far my favourite companion, but I also felt her death was so perfect that bringing her back two episodes later was a disservice to the character.
She was inconsistent, was she from the future? No the past? No , ok so to day but what does she do? nanny? teacher? unexplained changes.
Whats her personality? ever shifting.
Well they explained the whole multiple versions thing (if a little controversially) and she mentioned having a new teaching job in day of the doctor
@@becauseimapotato7599 Sure it was explained but it made her hard to grasp an pin down as a character.
@@SuperFunkmachine Yeah that's fair enough
At the beginning, I loved Clara's character and the mystery that surrounded her, but after that, and after Matt Smith left the show, I felt her character was disintegrating. Not only did she react poorly to the Doctor's regeneration (after stopping and/or witnessing several of them) it was completely off base for her to react how she did. Eventually she pulled herself together, but she ends up having a very tough time with the 'new Doctor' throughout the rest of her time on the show. The second thing I had an issue with, was how overcomplicated she made things. The whole mess with her boyfriend (and for the life of me I can't remember his name) just turned her into an overemotional and over-manipulative character in my mind. Everything would have been much simpler if she had just OPENED HER MOUTH AND ASKED. To me, after that her character just went downhill and she turned into a person I SERIOUSLY didn't like.
I never understood why she was so upset by Smith becoming Capaldi! She literally went through his entire timeline and saw that he regenerates at death, over and over. She saved each one of his past selves. WHY was she so angry and mean and upset about a new Doctor? It never made sense. She shouldn't have even been surprised, let alone upset and refusing to accept him as The Doctor.
Exactly! I had such a problem with that!
She had a problem with the regeneration because it was *her* doctor. The others were all past faces. Her best friend just changed and she has to get to know him again because he *is* different. It only takes her one episode to accept him and then the rest of series 8 is getting to know him again. Series 9 she doesn't have a tough time with him at all. She loves him and they have a very deep bond. He becomes *her* doctor again.
Her relationship with Danny was definitely poorly written though and added nothing to the show and made very little sense, although it did show some flaws to her character which is a counter argument for everyone calling her a Mary Sue. She wasnt the perfect character at all and neither did she have no character. She was controlling and manipulative, but also compassionate, brave and intelligent.
Sarah Higgins -
well said
I fell like the tried to pull a Rose move when she was upset about him changing and he was lying in bed sick. Only here it makes absolutely no god damn sense as she literally saw every incarnation of him that ever existed and KNOWS for a fact it’s the same person, just a different personality and face. Rose has no info at all and still believed it was him but she couldn’t wrap her mind around it as it was a FOREIGN concept.
To be honest I think everyone was just in a strop after losing Amy and Rory. Which I completely understand they were incredible. And then people liked the comedy aspect of Donna and the family and connections of Rose and Martha but in all honesty it was obvious that Clara was supposed to be different. Also what I don’t understand about the hate is that people keep contradicting themselves like when saying “she was bossy and manipulative” but then saying “she had no personality and was boring”??? Does this make sense to you because I’m completely confused. I respect everyone’s opinions (as long as there is a valid reason behind it) but I really don’t understand the level of hate.
I couldn't care less about Amy and Rory anyway, I was happy when they left. I HATED Clara with a passion, so it's not just that.
amy and rory were incredible. and rose was the doctors love of his life, his greatest loss. clara was very important. in terms of timeline importance it would be amy and rory, rose and clara. clara lacks perhaps the emotional impact of her loss compared to rose, amy and rory.donna was comedic respite after the emotional losses of rose and martha.but donna really came along with wilfred. the hate towards clara is justified.she arrogantly pretends to be the doctor. thi happens only with the twelfth doctor. the eleventh keeps her in her place. i dont mean as a woman, i mean that he is a genius time lord time traveler and she is just a nanny. the fact is since doctor who was restarted it has been phenomenally successfully, with high number of viewers consistently. its only the last series with the female doctor after moffat left as writer that its gone shit. moffat and russel davies were the two writers of doctor who since is was restarted, and they were both brilliant. russel davies gave us the soap opera style shocks., moffat was the master plotmaker and heartpuller. people have really underappreciated what a great job those who writers did. they made doctor who what it has been. but now its gone to shit because of moffat being replaced.
She is hated like Cousin Oliver in the Brady Bunch. They both just ruined the show!!
i completely agree with what you just said.
@@portishphonic But, were you a Rose lover?
I'm still waiting for an explanation of how they got out of his time stream. . .
I think I'm gonna be here for a while.
Her chemistry was amazing and lovable with Matt Smith and even gave something to the plot line
She was a plot contrivance in the shape of a character. She was a human sonic screwdriver. She also hung around waaaaayyyyy too long.
SO MUCH THIS!!!!!
Violent Beauregarde she had one less episode than Amy and Rory, which I liked but prefer Clara
'human sonic screwdriver', I love that its absolutely brilliant, very apt.
Well put! She was just a tool that helped the Doctor survive instead of a person!
What I didn't like about Clara was the unnecessary lying. There was no need to lie to the Doctor about Danny or to Danny about the Doctor. Different things could have been done to create a story where Danny and the Doctor didn't see eye to eye without sacrificing her integrity. It became part of her personality, so much that she even wrote it down in post-it notes to confess to Danny about. Like he didn't know she lied all the time?
Eidilia Thomas I agree that the lying was unnecessary but it was Danny that really put me off Peter Capaldi’s first series. I just couldn’t find anything particularly likeable about him and I thought the whole plot of him becoming a cyber man was ridiculous (I know, doctor who is always a little bit ridiculous but usually in a good way) and didn’t work for me.
Danny was unnecessary.
Danny Pink speaking of not respecting the Doctor.... like DP's character 20% of the time. Sir yes sir, crap.
The Doctor was complete asshole toward him when they met. Gave him zero respect. "Oh, you're a veteran? That means you're a stupid grunt." Danny just gave back the same in return.
People lie. And, the Doctor definitely lies. I think that it would be hard, for anyone that spent that much time with the Doctor, to NOT lie on occasion.
I think Clara as a Dalek would have been a neat companion for a few episodes.
My problem with Clara was she was the only companion that was repeatedly given a free pass to be a bad person. She does several things that would of gotten past companions kicked off. A prime example is the Beast Below where the Doctor is ready to throw Amy back to where he found her but she redeems herself. The final straw with Clara for me was when she demanded that the Master/Missy be killed and if the Doctor wasn't going to do it she would. The one rule the Doctor follows is he doesn't kill and his companions don't cold blood kill like that. Imagine Amy doing that? Or Rose? Or any of them and the Doctor just being *shrug* essentially. Also no one refers to someone by their full name. "Danny Pink is dead!" Just say Danny. Seriously. No one is going to get confused about who you mean.
Also Danny Pink just seemed like a poor mans Rory, this badass but emotionally sensitive guy. The amount of time he spends crying and so on is... excessive for what is supposed to be an emotional but generally uplifting show.
I agree
Am I the only one loves Hell Bent and Heaven Sent?!?
Same, I thought both episodes were great ;)
I'm not hating on your opinion I just wanna know why?
Raf Rafi because both episodes were amazing and they had a nice subject. And I love Clara so much.
Raf Rafi I love both because despite popular belief, Hell Bent didn't ruin Heaven Sent in the slightest. Heaven sent was about overcoming the despair which grief can thrust you into, while Hell Bent shows how pain can warp your character. The Doctor throughout the episode was symbolically gripping onto the "memory" of Clara and it explored his God complex in trying to save her while simultaneously juggling the effect of the Time War on the Doctor's reputation. It resolved all of these in a very neat manner while still allowing for some incredibly poignant scenes from Clara and Twelve while undoing the frankly stupid and demeaning death of Face the Raven in favour of an aspirational message which doesn't insult the core ideals of the show as a whole.
I hated Heaven Sent, but liked Hell Bent. Didn't love it, but I liked it. Apart from the excellent twist at the end, I loathed Heaven Sent. The were some things I really hated in Hell Bent, but overall, I didn't hate the overall episode like most people.
I don't think the character of Clara was served very well by the fact that her two previous incarnations seemd to be so much more interesting than the eventual long-term companion.
Agreed. I would have liked Osgood much more.
I agree, either of them would have been more enjoyable. She was too... vanilla (bland)... in comparison.
I liked the "Clara" character, thought of her almost like a chirpy chipmunk , like a female Alvin, very cute, adoreable
I kind of get the teacher thing as she had already been working with kids before and I think the writers realized that the audience HATED the kids that she nannied so it wasn't a huge change, although I want to know how much time is between Name of the Doctor and Day of the Doctor, because you can't just become a teacher, that takes a few years of study.
that was my bitch too. It takes 3-5 years to become a teacher, depends on primary or secondary school
I was never a fan of Clara. I thought she was really interesting that she kept popping up and dying in the doctor's life, but when she became a fully-fledged companion, I wasn't a fan. I don't know why. I understand why people might like her, but I found her very smug and almost arrogant. I didn't feel an emotional connection with her and her dying loved ones (mother, Danny). When her explanation of how she's the Impossible Girl was revealed, I thought it was bullshit and... lazy? Some might argue and say that it was brilliant, to which i respond that i'm glad that grabs you more than it does me.
I want to like Clara, and i did for a little bit. But then Peter Capaldi came along and she just drove me mad. I couldn't handle her, I wanted to punch her in the face and I begged for Danny to just fucking leave her on their first date.
Maybe I'm completely missing the point with Clara, I dunno. But i just was not a fan, and i never felt an emotional connection that i felt with Rose, Donna, Amy, Martha, etc.
I liked Clara and each companion had their flaws and I guess those were Clara's and naturally they would annoy people like you're never going to like everyone you meet. My mum didn't watch Colin Baker's doctor because she didn't like him. Although I've not found a companion I haven't liked, not yet anyway.
Couldn't have said it any better! I found myself constantly asking when she was on screen, "Who do you think you are?"
Honestly, I think she should have left when she jumped into the Doctor's timestream. There is no explanation as to why she survived. It would have been nice just to have had a companion for half a season. We haven't had that since Dodo (whom I think could have been one of Clara's splinters, if you think about it). She just seemed to decay after that. Sure, she kind of gave Ashildr a happy ending, but Series 8 would have been much better if it just had a new companion.
She survived because the Doctor went into his own timestream and fished her out.
It would have been better for the story line, though, if she had died.
I have never disliked her!
I think Clara was the best acting wise like Jenna's acting is amazing
Donna was the best hands down
S Baso Mtimkulu Donna should have had more screen time. She was my favourite for a long time.
TRUUUUUUE
NO! RIVER SONG IS!!!!!!!!
she should have gotten at least one more season
Hell yeah :)
Of modern times.
Sarah Jane wins overall!
I hated her because for awhile there, the show wasn't Doctor Who anymore. It was The Clara Show with special guest The Doctor.
Agreeeed! She ends up with her own Tardis and everything
Yup
Crowgrl Temprano To be fair, hasn’t that always been the case during the series’ run? For instance, a few years ago, the producers actually went on record and claimed that the first two seasons basically belonged to Rose, which I pretty much agreed with.
and the show was around for DECADES before rose
PREACH!
I loved the character Clara and loved the actress jenna coleman.. She was one of my favourite companions. My Opinion sure, but many reasons she was great..do I need list them?
jason clayden #metoo she was cute 😍
She was for me.. the best one.
She was great
jason clayden can you list them please because I hate her (she's not a bad actress, she was just written terribly).
Please list them, would be interested to know why people like Clara (also have no issues with Jenna Coleman)
Honestly, the saddest thing about Clara is just how much potential there was in the idea of "Clara Oswin Oswald" being the "real" version - not only was her entire "meeting the Doctor" sequence incredibly compelling, but having her occasionally pop back to her time and having the kids she was babysitting be recurring characters would've been awesome, and it would've given an actual reason for Jenny and Vastra to be recurring characters too.
"Little Miss Deus Ex Machina"!
Because that's literally what she was!
yeah, the reasons that I and others I know 'hate' clara oswald are different. Me and my friends believe she was over used and then took over the series. This would have been fine if she was interesting, but she was so wonderbread. I mean I could take some of the whole chance of having multiples of her running around since she did throw herself into the doctor's 'corpse'? When she did that to stop the greater intelligent, she might have been weaker but the thought of having copies of herself running around helping the doctor as best they can was awesome. But it failed because they said she would die if she did that. She however lived. Upon her return from the doctor's corpse she lost everything that made her interesting. And got a giant ego on top of that. She could have been more impactful, but became nothing.
I for love Clara and I like the relation(s) she and the doctor had with each other. She's been a great companion. Even if Amy Pond was my favourite companion, Clara was still more than great.
She was very special to the doctor, maybe not like the bad-wolf-girl or River Song, but still - i think at least one of the doctors had a little crush on her.
0:00 what’s the music?
Moffat's writing ruined Clara as a character.
They hated Jesus because he told the truth
I think Clara 'becoming the doctor' and having so much power in his past was definitely intentional. Otherwise what was the point of the Hybrid? The Hybrid was a threat BECAUSE Clara was too much like the doctor, it even says that at one point.
After the "Impossible girl" story line ended, they kept her around and gave her different personalities in different episodes. It was weird.
Clara the good Dalek was the best version. Dalek companion for Doctor would be sooooooo gooooooooooooood.
Gee, Clara Oswald is my SECOND favorite Companion. Second only to Sarah Jane Smith. Just a difference of opinion I guess.
She was a one season character who stayed for two seasons too long. That level of smugness can only be tolerated for one season.
I completely agree with you, it's a reflection of Moffat's smugness
Yeah the smugness got very irritating. I understand keeping her around to see her deal with the change of doctors, as the only person to do that in the revived series was Rose, but this was basically an updated version and somewhat realistic aspect of what peri went through when Davison became Colin Baker. But then they just piled on the smugness to the point of her just being insufferable.
Bobby Torres At least 12 didn't try to kill Clara the way 6 tried to kill Peri.
Christopher U.S. Smith although none of us would have blamed him if he had tried.
Yes!!!
No one likes a sidekick that tries to upstage the lead. It's called Dr Who...not the Clara show.
Aunty Ro Knows
Speak for yourself, piece of shit, and don't treat your perception of what happened as a fact.
Tasorius Wow, okay. She is objectively a badly written "character" in many ways, but the most important one being her overly malleable character that changes to whatever the writer needs to move on the plot. That is a fact. You're allowed to like her, that is fine, but don't slag other people off because they couldn't turn off their brains during the show.
I live in the states and didn't really read anything online about doctor who. I never had a problem with her really. She was an ok companion. I like her if only because she evoked response to the doctor in different ways. What he did to get her to come back after her initial death was pretty awesome.
totally agree with most the points you made. and the presentation and editing was hillarious, brilliant video
Clara worked nicely with the 11th, but shit went downhill with the 12th, it was like she didn't want to hangout with him after the regen, on the other hand Bill was perfect for the 12th, they had such chemestry together, a shame it only lasted 1 season.
Have you heard the theory that when clara was split across the timelines she replaced lots of people the doctor had met? basically the evidence for this was a novelization of a lost story where an original character was replaced by a clara
Don't like that theory, and I'm a fan of Clara's - at least in Series 7 & 9.
After re-watching the Clara episodes recently, I CANNOT SEE how she is anything but the best companion the show has ever had! She was given such fantastic character development and yes I agree, hellbent throws things out of the water a little bit but we forget it’s Dr Who, it’s meant to question reality! For me, Moffat and Coleman were fantastic additions to the show and despite the execution of Hellbent and the whole Gallifrey thing in general, I cannot wait for an episode that see’s Clara return!
She was the best companion ever and a lot more loved her than hated
She talked to everyone, including the Doctor as if they were 9 years old. Granted, this is a habit of teachers but it is grating none the less.
Yes! Condescending bitch.
Worst part is they wrote the doctor to take it. He just bent over and took it like a 9 year old. The writing for David Tennant and early Matt Smith would never have had that happen
Clara had an agency problem and ended up being the tropiest Moffat mish-mash we've seen in a female character in Doctor Who. The two characters she admired the most constantly battled for control over her life and instead of putting both Danny and the Doctor in their respective places, she would lie, placate and avoid addressing their unwelcome and specious opinions of the other's presence in her life. It gets so bad it almost ends up becoming like Stockholm Syndrome, with the Doctor never truly apologizing for his meddling and Danny's shittiness 'exonerated' by his martyrdom. Clara herself isn't the problem, but the contrivances around her character beautifully articulated why it was Moffat's time to go.
That is not stockholm syndrome, whatsoever xD But I get your point.
I love Clara. She was written inconsistently, but that doesn’t take away everything from the character. And she became better and better as she went on in my opinion.
Crispy Pro, What is that logo on your baseball cap? Looks like GSI.
You echoed everything I thought for Clara Oswald. I also thought that compared to the other companions, the writers didn't really give her much warmth or family dynamic compared with what we saw for the other companions (Rose with her mom, Martha with her family, Donna with her parents, Amy and Rory with Rory's dad...not to mention River). It could be that they made a conscious choice to echo the Doctor and how alone he is at times but I think that was such a disservice to her character. It only allowed her to echo the Doctor at times and towards the end I really had to ask myself: Do I really know who Clara Oswald is outside of her relationship with the Doctor? And the answer sadly is no. Not really. And I agree with Danny Pink. There was something off about his character and I totally did not see that relationship working. It really sucks because Jenna Coleman is a fantastic actress. Too bad the character and the character building was written so poorly.
I liked clara oswald. Some fans did or did not. Just like I did not care of Matt Smith at all after tennant.
IMO, the lack of warmth (at least in her later seasons) was kind of the point. In her first season or so they might as well not have written out Amy, personality-wise. In later seasons Clara did become more controlling and arrogant and reckless and Doctor-like and to me, that was interesting. I agree with Crispy - it was a 'flew too close to the sun' story and it rang true for me.
I totally agree that her relationship with Danny Pink was completely unconvincing (hint: If you want to convince us that a couple are deeply in love, maybe don't have them arguing every second they're on screen together?).
I agree that she was poorly used as a character. nothing against her as a companion but like others have said , I feel that she would have been a more interesting character if we had stuck with the Victorian version and the two were the echos. for me my favourite episode from Capaldi's first series was the Mummy on the Orient Express. The Doctor had to do most of the problem solving as Clara had been separated from him.
Oddly for me the reason she was an okay companion and nothing special was that we'd had five companions previously all from present day earth. Also the focus of the show became too much of the companions home life on earth and not about their adventures with the Doctor. I would like to see some return to the classic formula where the character development of the companion happens whilst in the Tardis and the situations they are put in.
What makes me mad about Clara is Moffat trying again and again to put down my throat how much she is special. How much the Doctor loves her. How much the universe would be nothing without her. You know, I didn't need that with Rose, I didn't need that with Donna, I didn't need that with Amy and Rory, I loved them. It was natural. But the show are taking what the other companions had of special and putting everything in Clara. Just like when the Doctor regenerates. Her talk was just like Rose when 9 turns to 10. Or the sassy personality of Donna. Or the warrior soul of Martha. Moffat put so much effort to make us love her that it have the opposite effect, at least with me. "I was born to save the Doctor." Yeah, just like Jenny, Rose, Donna, Martha, Sarah Jane, River, Jack Harkness. It's just too much for me, it becomes annoying.
THANK YOU!! also part of why I couldn't stand River (who had alot of potential!). It was shoved down my throat to much.
+Wanderling D (Wanderling) I love river but I can understand. But at least with river she was never a constant companion. To me Clara is the worst because you can't escape her. Now Moffat has made permeant changes to the doctors past using Clara.
I agree but it's ok they have changed it so many times before I'm sure eventually the changes and Clara's importance will someday be changed again. If you really think about it Rose was a freaking time goddess at one point who's to say all of this isn't just BadWolf's doing by manipulating things, it is possible (far fetched I know but i'm looking for ways to minimize Clara). Theoretically everything after the BadWolf incident could possibly be traced to her and caused by her manipulations that we aren't aware of yet and the Dr is still feeling the ripple effect caused by BadWolf when she merged with the Tardis. After all she could change things with a thought. (not a rose lover though I didn't hate her I'm just throwing this out there. ) That story line could come back later on.
+Wanderling D (Wanderling) I hated rose too, I just hated Clara a lot more. Something I didn't think was possible Martha got the short end of the stick because of the writers hard for rose. River( i loved) but could understand why some people didn't like her wasn't a regular. To me rose turned doctor who into my alien boyfriend, Clara was a wannabe doctor.
See I loved Donna but Martha is another one I thought had potential that was wasted she kept trying to make the Dr her bf and he was clearly like NO. lol Clara reminds me of Martha a big actually.
Who is clara?were is clara?why is clara!
she was my 2nd favorite companion if you count both the ponds being one companion
I hate Clara for a lot of the same reasons I hate River Song: The writers come up with an interesting character, only to cram said character's backstory with a lot of nothing. They use other characters' dialogue to tell how special and amazing so-and-so is without showing anything to the audience to support the supposed three-dimensional awesomeness.
To me this show died with the line:
"Ive got a gun, you've got a time machine. What the hell? Lets kill Hitler"
Why did it 'die' for you then?
I love river I like Clara
In my opinion t's exactly the other way around. Thats exactly what happened with the Doctor in the earlier seasons. Rose and Martha only existed to tell other characters how amazing the Doctor was. "Don't worry, the Doctor will save us! The Doctor is the cleverest, most amazing man!" Especially Martha didn't have any personality traits other than her crush on the Doctor.
I actually liked Clara because she wasn't that way, she was actually capable of resolving situations herself. We SEE her being awesome, or at least trying to be. In the end it kills her, but thats pretty consistent with her story arch, all things considered.
For me, I lost interest when the writers had a severed head ask a question I never cared to ask:
"Doctor who?! Doctor who?! Doctor who?!"
Also, you know, Moffat's complete and utter inability to let us take a rest of having the BIG SEASONAL ARC SCENE in every episode.
I have absolutely nothing against Jenna Coleman, but I really hated Clara. She was so unrelatable as a companion in so many ways. In fact; at some points it felt as if she wasn't even a companion. - It was the Clara show. She was portrayed as smarter and braver than the Doctor which I think takes away from the realism of the character. I honestly couldn't wait until they got new companions. Besides River Song, she is the companion that got on my nerves the most.
Ambearlamb yep I was waiting for her to retire or die as well especially after Capaldi became the doctor I was like this is perfect she can't digest his new look now she must retire
Honestly Clara is probably one of my favourite companions because of how much initiative she took it was really good to see a companion who was not as intelligent as the doctor it’s not really possible but somebody who could match him and wits and cleverness and also she would help out on her own accord it wouldn’t just be a thing of the doctor telling her what to do she would find other possible solutions to problems or smaller ways to help out and also she was very good at being what a lot of the companions are at the same time which is a grounding force for him to keep him I want to say in check. Like how Donna stopped him from just killing himself along with the spider queen.
I think one of the main ingredients of the success of Dr Who is the linking of changing characters: the regeneration of The Doctor him/herself and the new 'assistants' she is just one of many ...I have my favourites but I'm just glad it is ongoing.
That bullshit with the leaf got me sooo fucking mad. Clara is not and will never be as amazing or as smart or have as much pain as the Doctor has had. The fact that her goddamn *leaf* fed the sun God instead of the doctor's literal knowledge of the WHOLE GODDAMN UNIVERSE is just a slap in the face. I get that the whole point was that she was at the center of the doctor's life, but that whole idea was really annoying as well. Her importance was played up way too high and her actual character was way too mundane to deserve the spot as 'the most important girl' in the universe.
The point there wasn't leaf vs 1200 years of wandering around the universe; it was actual history vs unrealised potential - what overfed Akhaten was all the possibilities the leaf represented - the lives Clara's mother could have lived.
It's about the future being more than the past.
rmsgrey Correction- the life her mother *should* have lived but was taken from her prematurely.
Future and past Clara's were way more interesting. They should have stuck with one of those instead of the boring 20 something from modern day England trope.
Bobby Torres Insufferable indeed, so much so, she had the gall to call The Doctor a "stupid old man" during her Xmas cameo! :O
Christopher U.S. Smith to be fair, that wasn't the real Clara anyway
Bobby Torres It came from her testimony, just like Bill, so yes, it is from the real Clara, glass avatar or not.
Christopher U.S. Smith but that just seems to give credence to the idea that all we are in life are our memories and nothing else. We are so much more than that.
Bobby Torres Wasn't that the whole point of the episode? We're just memories.
Honestly heaven sent is one of my favorite Capaldi episodes, and by extension one of my favorite episodes, but I agree that hell bent should have happened differently in some way.
Maybe I'm missing something here, but I never figured out what was going on with her in Asylum of the Daleks..
You watched The Name of the Doctor right?