This community is severely lacking in content like this. It was well-reasoned, logical, and you methodically went through and debunked every single excuse beautifully. I've only seen you on bragos streams but if I'd known you had a UA-cam channel I would've subscribed long ago. Great work.
I might not agree with stuff he says but I will defend his right to say it. All you hear on any one piece thing is all other chapters this week, MID, one piece, PEAK PIECE 10/10 chapter etc. Egg head especially when in reality it all seems just like exposition dumps which is fine if people didn't call out other series for this. The main plot has not progressed in many chapters, yet if you don't do it for other series people call the series trash see part 2 of chainsawman for examples. Overall one piece is great just gets no constructive criticism unlike other series. A chapter could be luffy taking a dump and people would overanalyse and say PEAK PEICE...you don't get it...its like Christopher nolan fans.
Valid points. The main hangup for me is that there's a huge difference between marching on Marineford and Wano. Destroying Marineford in battle and destroying Wano in battle are different weights. If the shoes on the other foot , would Oden March on Sphinx island to liberate , even if it meant many of the citizens would die? He probably wouldn't. Does that make Oden a coward?
Well said. Killing civilians in the collateral at a Marine base is not at all the same as killing civilians in collateral at the home of your former nakama who died fighting for the people of that land.
Your statement implies that Oden and Whitebeard have a relationship of equals “if it was Oden” Don’t forget that WB refers to Oden as his little brother!!
But... Drizzty boy literally countered that argument already. Just call up Kaido. Dude wants nothing more than a good fight so there is no reason to ever set foot on Wano in order to fight Kaido.
@@crocodilewani5467 I'll rewatch but I never heard a counter to my exact point. Drizzt seems to be saying that WB should've marched in even if it meant sacrificing the lives Oden saved just for his character to stay "consistent"
I think Oda intentionally made WB call Oden a brother to change the meaning for their relatioship. A son is some one you protect and brother is not same thing. I know its samantics but Oda did choose to not call him a son of WB.
I feel like thats more because of Oden's strenght, maybe WB felt it would be disrespectful to call someone so strong his son. He clearly had a strong emotional bond with Oden when Roger asked to borrow him.
I mean luffy went to hell and back for ace and is still gunning for black beard’s head even tho they’re brothers, same with sabo too. Brothers are still family
@@allhailtheking6039 yeah white beard cares about his family more than luffy, and luffy still went all out to get his brother back. White beard would do the same
It all comes down to expectation vs reality like with every other Yonko. Big Mom was portrayed as competent, same with her crew: people who would finish a job; but were nothing like that. Shanks is portrayed as a ruthless man, but he just wants to party. And now with Whitebeard, it is getting revealed that he wasn't that fearless pirate who would do anything, rather he was more calculative and would choose his and his crew peace over revenge.
Well with Kaido it can be his invincibility. The narrator said he can't be killed and blades can't cut him, but as we saw if you have ryou you can make Kaidou bleed. Kinemon, who didn't assist with anything in Dressrosa, did damage against the all mighty Kaido. He can't kill him, but it showed us that it doesn't take much to damage him.
@@dreamdevils1464 You’re right but I wouldn’t say it doesn’t take much to hurt Kaido. The majority of people in One Piece probably still can’t hurt him.
What i think the story is missing is WB initial reaction to this info. To me it feels like when ace told him to go fight and he gave his reasons not to, it felt like a disingenuous reasons, and not something he meant. I wonder how he got to that point, and more importantly who. Maybe the moment he learned about it he immediately got into a rage, just like when Roger tried to take Oden but worst. But someone was able to calm him down, maybe a marco or izo.
Come on Drizzts you know this is obviously plot induced stupidity for the story to close up plot holes that oda made after writing himself into a corner with oden and his relationship with whitebeard and his character! It’s so blatant too. He had no other choice and there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING he can do that can reprimand this mistake he made with whitebeard. Messed up having him as a member of the whitebeard pirates in the first place and THEN having him die in such a way that would obviously make all hell break loose for the story because it’s so obvious that the beast pirates would have been murder stomped if he was consistent with whitebeard(and we couldn’t have that?) , should have just left him as a member of the roger pirates from the jump! He messed up big time.
That's a really good point about how Oden should have been with Roger from start. Oden being a part of Whitebeard's crew really doesn't affect the plot in any meaningful way other than getting Marco to Wano.
The thing is even the roger pirates did nothing about it ,lol prime Rayleigh prime scopper,shanks is now yonko , why don’t they all storm kaido right now if oden was that important To them? Lol big news oden isn’t worth it even the roger pirates don’t care about him🤪
@@hyypio764 and the thing is, the WB pirates didn't even need to have Oden with them. Marco going there to keep the promise he made to Ace/WB to make sure that Luffy is okay and Izou coming bc of his sister.
@@dadi5458 The Rogers pirates disbanded right after they found out that they weren't the destined ones for the one piece and Shanks was just a kid. So, it's "convenient" that they never went back there LMAO.
Honestly think it's because they thought Oden and everyone were dead, it had been so long and with ace he was alive and potential PK in WB's eyes. If WB knew about Oden's execution at the time he'd have definitely rolled up and raised hell. With BB he just different
Marineford being evacuated of citizens seems incredibly important to me. Kaido states in the flashback that Oden was similar to WB and Roger in the way they act. Whitebeard taking action would endanger the citizens of Wano the same way if Oden took action. I personally don’t have that much of a problem due to Oden also being dead for multiple years before the WB crew found out. The last time them seeing Oden being almost a decade ago.
Very good discussion video that rebutts all the main points well but I think the main reason Whitebeard didn't attack is time. Using what you said in the video, about several being commonly used for 4, I think that is a very long time to want to go back for revenge. This is where Marco chimes in and says that they've thought about it numerous times. Being 4-9 years AFTER Oden's death, in addition to the amount of times they crew has debated going (which probably added significant time), the end conclusion was that it's not worth it. The reputation up till that point in the Whitebeard's career was that if you hurt or kill a member, the wrath of the crew will be coming very soon
Part of the reason they saw it as to dangerous to attack Kaido was because Oden was dead. Losing your lives to rescue someone is very different than losing them to avenge someone. Oda doesn’t have to say it for that to be the reason. Just like Whitebeard didn’t want Ace to avenge Thatch because he didn’t want him to die. It could also be that Whitebeard saw invading Wano and fighting Kaido as that much more dangerous than the Marineford situation. You can’t really plan things when you don’t fully know what’s going on in Wano.
My thought of whitebeard thing it could be doing plot purpose. Is also idea the whitebeard he may have knew his limitations as person. As strong and as powerful whitebeard is as character he knew his limits. There some battles that aren’t worth risk have family being involved in. They just found out several years after oden death. He might cause some his own allies or his own family die. I don’t think him being father like figure to his crew wants kids and children being at risked toward another yonko. The ace Situation since he is Alive. He would risked everything go save his family. Whitebeard might not been able save oden, or tatch but he could try to travel save one of his adopt sons’ towards his last voyage.
But it wasn’t like he said he wasn’t going to fight Kaido one day he probably at least wanted Ace to get more experience to fight Kaido but then Blackbeard happened.
So many of these comments just ignored the points you brought up in the video and just flat out dont address them just to repeat the exact same excuses. God i love this community
Wano is terrible: -The death of White Beard character as you mentioned, my favorite character in the whole show. Really sucks. Massive blow -The Dango stuff. What a cheap and convenient plot line. Her devil fruit was basically for the plot like Sugar but worse. Everything about Tama is too convenient. Luffy meets her first thing somehow out of nowhere. It takes people free will throw mind control. This is pretty much slavery. You should make a video about how bad this is. It goes against the whole free person that Luffy wants to be. -Ryou or advanced haki being used as a main plot device to take out Kaido. I could write sn essay about how inconsistent and vague haki is. -Cheap massive power ups for Zoro and Sanji undermining Luffy’s growth in the new world. Basically asspulls out of nowhere.
Jesus the last two points were trash 😭😭😭the WB one is circumstantial between Odens death and time that has passed, the only one was good was Tama kibidango
I need more Drizzy content , Most of the UA-camrs are Disneypiece and recycled content big eco chamber Vybz , good to you Drizzt for making your own path
I took about a year off from the series feeling Wano was mediocre. I liked the flashback but overall my feelings haven’t changed much but truthfully this wasn’t something that stood out to me. I will say that yes it’s bad on Oda’s part for not going more in depth with this leaving the reader to fill in the holes but my interpretation has never been that Whitebeard would go to war over any of his crew members. The Squardo situation did emphasize he cares for all his crew but there’s a difference between trading a crew member or multiple for one vs everyone agreeing to risk their lives for one. I’ve always felt that the reason Whitebeard went to save Ace was because he saw Ace as someone who wasn’t special who wasn’t meant to die yet, not solely because he was apart of his crew. This isn’t specifically stated by Whitebeard but I’ve always felt like it was what the story portrayed by mentioning that Ace was Roger’s son and Ace having the potential to take Whitebeard’s place, as well as him being a D. by extension which Whitebeard knows the meaning of. The reason I’ve always been under this impression is because the narrative of MF was about ending the era of Roger and Whitebeard. I still agree that this should have been given to us directly instead of leaving room to speculate but for me when I look at the Oden situation based on my interpretation it would be something confirming it instead of contradicting Whitebeard. The Thatch situation shows that Whitebeard can be reasonable in breaking his code if given proper motivation
Drizzt is consistently able to articulate his opinion effectively and thoroughly, regardless on whether you agree, you can at least say it's a good video.... or you could throw a hissy fit about how "Drizzt is just a hater" and "If Drizzt doesn't like One Piece he shouldn't read it". I could rebuttal by saying "You are just a hater" and "If you don't like Drizzt don't watch him". It's so nonsensical, it is okay to love something even if you know it has flaws, so don't shoot the messenger (Drizzt), who is informing you of the flaws.
If people believe that the message is dumbfounded, they won’t care about the messenger in that regard. If the messenger pities opinions or beliefs that contradict his/her message through words and/or actions even when facts support a different message that contradicts the messenger, then the messenger is mocked or pitied as a consequence. Regardless of whether you believe or don’t believe those two statements, there will be those who mock those with beliefs or opinions that differ from their own beliefs or opinions. To me, calling someone a hater is the very same thing as claiming that someone cannot comprehend the “flaws” of something.
Let's frame this for context because honestly the notion that Whitebeard's character was "destroyed" by not going back to Wano to avenge Oden is legit an extreme overreaction devoid of context at best and just flat out looking and having to reach for something to rant and complain about at worst. I chuckled at Drizzt haviing a "Perception vs. Reality" rebutal portion in this video and not applying it how the series handles "statements made by characters in regards to other thing". It's funny because in doing so, Drizzt touched on it but didn't directly address it wholesale. Character opinions on other characters, groups, islands, etc have shown to often times be hyperbole. Buggy's current portrayal in the story and subsequent statements about his portrayal are ones that are not accurate. You'd have thunk by shooting down the WG flag in Enies Lobby the Strawhats would be forced to square off against the Fleet Admiral himself based on the whole "Do you not understand what you've done by declaring war on the WG" reactions and statements from the people there and Spandam. This is not to say Garp was wrong or right about Whitebeard going after them whether they killed Ace in Impel Down or not. For the record I think he would have as it would have made sense for his character (I'll get to that). I'm just saying it's a specious argument to correlate that bit of dialogue to Oden without mentioning that shit characters say in One Piece aren't always 100% accurate. Why? Easy. It's another point Drizzy glossed over but didn't fully address. It's not JUST that Ace was alive and Oden was dead that Whitebeard didn't think twice about rescuing Ace as opposed to avenging Oden. It's not JUST that Oden left the crew and Ace hadn't that Whitebeard didn't think twice about rescuing Ace as opposed to avenging Whitebeard. It's the direct circumstances CONTEXTUALIZED fully that justify Whitbeard choosing against going back to Wano to avenge Oden after debating it with his crew as opposed to nothing stopping him from getting to Ace before he was to be executed or even directly after he was potentially executed. Ace, was the CURRENT 2nd division commander of the Whitebeard Pirates who was beaten and captured by a FORMER SUBORDINATE of his crew. If Ace was executed, not only would that have been an L but it would have been the SECOND L that DIRECTLY a result of Teach who would have been DIRECTLY responsible for TWO of his family members dying. However to make matter WORSE not only would Ace be dying but he was to be PURPOSELY EXECUTED IN FRONT OF THE ENTIRE WORLD AS A DIRECT SLAP IN THE FACE TO WHITEBEARD. The WG WANTED to go to war with him and provoked him by staging the execution in the manner they did. The very action of this happening and Whitebeard not DOING ANYTHING would have destroyed his actual reputation and character and in turn would have opened up his territories and family to MORE attacks if he didn't clap back. He's a Yonko. The WG was directly antagonizing a Yonko and they were doing so by killing a member of his family PUBLICALLY. That can't slide. Juxtapose that to Oden. Oden, was a FORMER member of the crew. I know Drizzt touched on this...but he did so in an extremely specious way because he didn't mention one of the most very important things about Oden being a "former member". That was HOW long he had been a former member. It'll probably be dismissed as irrelevant by Drizzt but it isn't by any stretch of the imagination. As he stated, Whitebeard didn't find out about Oden's death until "several years" after the fact. That's big. Here's why. Oden left Whitebeard's ship to sale with Roger for a year. He returned to Wano, twerkd for 5 years, and then was killed by Kaido. Whitebeard found out several years afterwards (at least 2). So that's 8+ years after he left the crew that they found out he was killed by Kaido at least. THAT MATTERS. 8+ years is a long time and it's a whole whole WHOLE lot easier to have clarity about recklessly avenging someone's death after you haven't seen them nor have they been an active part of your family for at least 8 years after they willingly left your ship to join "someone else's family" as opposed to recklessly SAVING SOMEONE who's alive and has been apart of your family for years now that was only captured due to him trying to avenge another member of your immediate family that was murdered. I'm not saying Whitebeard was still butthurt at Oden for leaving and thus said "fuck this dude and his family, he got what he deserved" or "He's not a active member so it's none of my business". That's not the case because he contemplated going back. What I am saying is even though Whitebeard did consider Oden a brother, his brother had been dead A LONG time and waging war on Kaido would have literally accomplished NOTHING other than getting a lot of his own people killed and the time passed gives one that kind of clarity as opposed to reacting in the moment. The same can not be said for going after Ace. Look if you want to say it would have ENCHANCED Whitebeard's character for him to not give a fuck and recklessly challenge Kaido and the Beast Pirates at the expense of their own lives strictly based on the principle that "You don't mess with one of us" then that's fine. I actually agree. That WOULD have been dope. I'd have love to have seen it even though Oda would have off screened it if it did happen. That's one thing....but to say his character was "destroyed" or whatever is nonsense. Whitebeard is a hardened PIRATE who was once on a crew where they killed each other all the time and saw countless towns, villages, and islands of people killed, destroyed, and enslaved. It's hardly a stretch to see how he'd chalk Oden challenging Kaido and losing up to the game. Even if that meant Wano burned. Especially 8+ years after the fact and his family supposedly already killed.
Bro this comment is perfect, one thing you didn't mention though, but is just as important, let's say Whitebeard went to Onigashima and won, what would've stopped Big Mom or the Goverment from picking the bones? It's been stated several times that the Yonkou are always trying to one up each other, matter of fact Shanks had to stop Kaidou from capitalizing off of the war on Marineford. So this shit also matters, but i don't see no one bringing this shit up.
I love one piece fans who act like they know everything and pick and choose what to hear and listen to all ur points are countered in the video and y clearly didn't listen properly all ur points are also very weak
I agree with your point of Oden being a former member of the crew. Oden left the crew and it was demonstrated with Usopp how serious that is especially when they're familial bonds. I think that would have been enough to cut ties but that wasn't the reason given so it's moot. I don't like the reasons given because I think it was to absolve WB but I think it hurt his character. Him not knowing makes no sense to me because he is a yonkou and he considered Oden his brother, whose children was born on his ship, and Izo (who unwillingly left Wano leaving behind a blood and bonded brothers) stayed but they didn't check on him for years. They thought invading Wano would cost a lot of innocent lives. But the Alliance was able to find a way. So you're saying that WB did no recon to at least assess things. Your point about Ace I believe is wrong. A part of Ace's arc was that he didn't think he should have been born. A war being fought to save him validated his life, I think connecting it to the reputation and territories diminishes that.
@@MrLordvoldemort101 Yonkou's aren't clairvoyant. WB being a Yonkou doesn't mean he's supposed to just inherently know what's going on on Wano. WB had no reason to avenge Oden either. Oden left his home, then left his crew, then left Roger's crew, then went home to clean up the mess that happened while he was gone. That's Oden's fight. Oden lost. Simple as that. It's not like Kaidou sought Oden out and clapped him on the street. Oden went back home, picked a fight w/Kaidou, and lost after Oden was no longer in the crew. Those are the facts of what happened. You can argue about Izo not going back or wanting to know what was going on and I'll listen. But WB? Nah. Your point and my point about Ace can both be correct. I agree that Marineford was more than just about WB protecting his rep and territories. But that was a part of it. That was part of his responsibility as a Yonkou and captain. To protect his crew as a captain and protect his territory as a Yonkou. Oden was no longer part of his crew. Like you said. So....like I'm not really sure what the hold up here is.
Drizzt....my nigga. This was impeccable. Everything you said was true. I also thought at first that one of the big differences between the Ace and the Oden situations was that Oden was already dead, but that panel of Garp stating that death isn’t a matter to Whitebeard in taking action on behalf of his crew destroys that argument. If you go against it, you’re basically implying that we should not use the information given to us by the characters word for word and that we should “interpret” their words for what they may actually mean. At that point though, all you have is speculation. These speculations may very well be correct, but we don’t know because nothing in the story tells us that they are. As a result, it would be wrong to build a case or an argument in favor of Whitebeard based on speculations and assumptions, and I feel that many of the rebuttals you will get will be coming from that perspective. I do hold out hope that they use concrete evidence from the story though, as this would be very entertaining and would make for productive discourse. Good job man. I mean that.
Nicely said Teddy. That's part of the problem. I made the case clear within the video how looking at the story and what it offers is entirely different than just forcing answers out of nowhere. Flawed writing =/= Character flaws
@@confusedmuse9662 you make a good point regarding Whitebeard and I agree that I had the same mindset as well. A lot o what we hear about some pirates is hearsay. However, these rumors aren’t unfounded. Also, we have the direct dialogue between Whitebeard and Ace that you mentioned where he literally said “let it go ‘this time’” which implies that there have been other times where similar transgressions have been punished. Additionally, when Whitebeard converses with Shanks, he tells him that it is a known rule on his ship that the one thing you don’t do is turn on your crew mates the way Blackbeard did. That’s the main reason why Ace was so mad because that was disrespect of the highest order. You have to realize, Whitebeard’s portrayal has been very inconsistent, but part of that may be due to his careful nature and how he takes situations case by case. He messed up with Oden, in my personal opinion, unless as I’ve mentioned before, when he learned of Oden’s fate, he also learned why he shouldn’t take action. Maybe Lasy Toki found her way to him since it hasn’t been confirmed whether she’s dead or alive still. Finally, regarding the translation of what Garp said, whether you take it to mean Whitebeard in particular or the events that were about to unfold, the fact of the matter is, it’s all the same in the end. It means that Whitebeard was already on the move and whether Ace lived or died at that point, Whitebeard would still show up and go on a rampage. You see what I mean?
Marineford was a Navy base where there are no civilians, if whitebeard went to WANO with his crew... The Destruction cause by whitebeard and Kaido will nearly could destroy WANO and CItizens of wano
Yeah, allowing Kaido to torture citizens for decades was a much better idea. We killed thousands of Japanese people to end world war 2 and stop the Nazis, sacrifices sometimes have to be made.
@Sunny Sunny Bullshit. After we dropped bombs on them the first time, they didn't surrender. It was only after dropping bombs on the twice that they surrendered. We had to bomb the hell out of them twice for them to finally stop the killing and raping.
@Sunny Sunny You can't determine which actions to take during a war based on "speculation". Maybe you shouldn't put your trust into people who chopped babies heads off and put them on sticks, raped and tortured thousands of Chinese women and little girls, forced whole families to dig their own graves, killed them then buried them into said graves. These are all historically factual things they would do. Don't let the kawaii stuff fool you.
I had the same thought reading it and agree with most of this, but what do you think of the idea that whitebeard was (in universe) wrong about how he handled the situation with oden, and that mistake is what led to him being so adamant about saving Ace? Of course so far we haven't gotten that explored explicitly in the story, so unless we do it's shoddy writing regardless.
I will start by saying that I do agree Whitebeard reaction is just Oda trying to patch some plot holes and is hurts WB character, but I feel this following statements may be rebuttles that wasn't tackled in the video directly. Also I believe Sawyer said it best, the reason WB didn't attack Kiado is because of plot. 1st) While watching your video you pointed out how the 2nd division commander was vacant until Ace filled it, which may be seen as some closure to Oden death. But Ace being taken and executed would be a another loss that is equal to Oden. (Maybe more if losing a son is greater than losing a brother) Would that be more of a reason that he WB is acting on Ace vs acting on Oden? 2nd) Suppose that the revenge of Oden would carry equal loss as the saving of Ace. WB actions in Marineford is not only to save Ace, but pave the way for the new generation. We also get the idea that the current fight in Wano is diffrenet then normal, as per Marco to King and Queen 'you are pitting yourself to the NEW generation' (999). WB went all in to save Ace for he is the representative of the new generation (which seems to fall to Luffy after Ace dies). Even though you do tackle that Ace isn't a favorite, are we to belive Whitebeard would go all out on the goverment if some fodder was on the chopping block? I feel that Ace is defiently a special case compared to other members, even Oden. So would the arguments be reasons on explaining the discrepancy between WB reaction to Ace vs Oden? Also I am aware that this does not tackle the issue of WB overall image as a man of family, but I am only tackling the difference between Ace and Oden.
I think your rebuttals were good, however the Oden dead, Ace alive argument is in my opinion the most sound and sensical one, Whitebeard is a smart character, he knows going to war over an already dead crewmember is pointless, and assuming he did know Odens family also died, that would even more make it more meaningless to fight. Whitebeard has never been the revenge guy, the world might know him as such, but we have seen on multiple occasions that he isnt. Garp telling Ace that Whitebeard is coming even if he dies, isnt a contradiction, we do not know the extent of Garps relationship with Whitebeard, and Oda can still go deeper with Whitebeards character and motivations. As it stands I can see both sides of the argument, but it is easily explainable if Oda ever chooses to do so.
He would be just as mad but his brain is more adjusted to protection than blind rage. As angry as he may get the "protect your family" angle will always be the logical outcome of his actions. His rage is aimed at things he wants to protect and preserve which is his family. With Ace, the result in his actions would be to protect. With Oden, going to avenge a dead man can only result in the death of the ones he wants to protect. WB isn't about revenge for revenge sake. If he m his crew was killed by be a weaker crew where he knew all his family would make it out alive in sure he would go and avenge them though. But going against a top tier crew that is at least evenly matched, there will be deaths, and the result of going there would be counter productive to his overall life goals, which is protect your treasure, your family
I dont think we know wb enough to say whether he's the revenge type or not. Revenge may or may not be the case, but avenging Oden still applies. WB knows that Oden was meant to be Shogun and was informed of Kaido's take over and harsh ruling of the country. Helping to liberate Wano would be a way of avenging Oden, which the wb pirates took too long to act upon. In regards to WB and Garps relationship I feel you are grasping straws. You are going beyond the fiction based story itself to create a point. Garps statement was simply done to inform us the readers of the type of person WB is and what to expect in the near future which was Marineford arc, so Garps info was more or less collect.
First of all the case of blackbeard and ace is an exception, from what I can see through wb eyes is he wouldn't go to wano just like from the argument already brought up because he doesnt want to potentially bring his family to ruin when not even any confirmed information about kozuki family and the retainer that they are alive (which even all of the wano residence already have them dead in their mind ever since the hour of the legend). For ace and bb cases let me brought up a question, do you honestly think that lets say if one of whitey bay or someone of wb pirates alliances mobs have the same situation just like the whole thatch, ace and blackbeard case whitebeard would command all of his power to help and figure the situation. I know it doesnt seem very comparable since ace is the 2nd commander, rogers son, and all of the context surrounding him and bb which is exactly why thats an exception. For those who read this long shit, I appreciate you
As much as I would love to say that ace alive, oden dead argument is enough for me... I can't. Oda is amazing writer but you have to call spade a spade. Unless he'll explain that later better, I'm calling bs on WB's reasoning for not going to Wano. It is a mistake on Oda's part so far. He is amazing writer, but he's still human. How about we just admit that there are things in One Piece that doesn't add up, then enjoy the rest of the story? Because story doesn't have to be perfect to be great
No it's not, why waste your energy and possibly kill more people you love in the process for a man that is not coming back? It seems to me y'all are not really mad at the writing but at the philosophy behind Whiebeard's decision.
this is years apart people change, whitebeard wont sacrifice his children to avenge a dead man, but ace is very much alive and can still change the world whitebeard is willing to sacrifice everything for ace because he believes that ace can still inherit Gol D Rogers will the will of D. part of his speech on the marine ford war is Roger is waiting, and whitebeard is willing to put all his cards on Ace
But that further boosts the point of that pirate who stabbed wb( forgotten his name), in that he felt wb was playing favourites because of aces background and what he represented when the point made was that wb doesnt distinguish anyone in his family, he would treat everyone equally.
tbh tho like the only thing I personally have to criticize WB about is the whole Thatch ordeal, but the Oden matter is super complicated and there is a lot of things to consider as to why whitebeard wouldn't go to wano. Just imagine Kaido using all of those prisoners in udon, I dont think WB's brother Oden would feel honored in death knowing WB would have to fight his samurai, the same people Oden danced in the streets for and ect. Also if whitebeard does happen to beat kaido, who would run Wano? Ashura Doji wouldn't, kinemon and the others are still in the time warp and most thought momo was dead. Denjiro possibly, but he'd have to blow his cover way to early. Even tho the WG doesnt interfere with wano often, I doubt they would let WB and Kaido duke it out especially given WB standing in the world at the time.
Great video. You made some really good points. This makes so much sense, yet it will always be considered an unpopular/very controversial take because some people will ignore much of the evidence and will try to defend and justify Oda at any cost, no matter what. One Piece is one of my favourite fictional stories EVER. Still, it shoudn't be exempted from criticism, especially when it's very well done just like in this video.
This notion that only you and people like you are the real intelectuals and the others are fanboys is some of the corniest narratives i've ever seen in a comunity that is already full of cornballs.
@@allhailtheking6039 I just wrote my opinion on the matter. My opinion, if it wasn't clear already. You can disagree with it, of course. And I have never claimed that "only myself and people like me are the real intellectuals". That would be incredibly arrogant and I literally have no idea of how you came up with that .
One Piece is full of fake hype... there are 3 WS characters at the same time in a story with numerous rivals... Oda is avg at best but people have spent so much time with OP that they wont accept reality...
Mentality is different with age, cautious at the top, and the story was portraying a man who could do so much, yet so little when it comes to the lives of people around. Izo was thrown onto WB and eventually was morphed by his ideologies, and stayed on. As a result he wasn’t aware of what happened in Wano until years later. By then, it would be too late. Such as a war in real life be started bc of an incident that occurred X amount of years ago. It would not be logical at all. There is no excuse for some on WB ship such as Izo or Marco to not avenge Oden and his family. However it is a recurring theme to respect the decision of the captain. Fast forward to a man who is sick and dying, WB needed to save Ace, but his own health stood in way. His mentality at the beginning of Marineford was to be cautious the way he use to be in his earlier years. After Ace died, look were it stood, he pretty much wanted to bring the whole island down, telling his crew to run so he could die with era and everyone that stood in the way. Though I see Whitebeard as grand, he is not perfect. That is why Oda probably placed this portrayal of him so he could be surpassed by someone who will not stop at taking down his enemy, Monkey D. Luffy.
people are mad cuz drizzt is right and its sad. These stans will bend over backwards to call a man whose manga is a shadow of its former self goda even as he destroys his own lore and drops lackluster arcs. I find it funny how people come up with any and all excuses sometimes citing interpretations of events and reaching as if one piece is a subtle comic to defend mistakes but will jump down someones throat when they say oda made a mistake. Challenging the comic to live up to the standards it used to have or (gasp) even improve is not spreading negativity and its not toxic.
For real, I don't understand why they can't get that?? It's a fact that one piece went downhill since the timeskip started and it's worrying when we think about how the last arc will play out, and ppl have their qualms with Wano. (Wano is the only long arc I've liked since post-TS but the lows were LOW AF).
@@chanelmapendo3761 I think for some people one piece is all they have in their life and emotionally they'll never be able to accept its decline. It's a part of their identity having grown up with the comic. Which makes them deflect when criticism is lobbed, get angry when others don't appreciate the chapter or arc or character direction and rationalizing obvious mistakes by oda. Then theres those that make money off of bigging up the comic. By hyping the comic up they get more subs and if they critisized it too harshly their fanbase wouldn't grow so idek if you can count those people as honestly speaking their truth
I feel like it’s actually pretty consistent with his character, because he also didn’t want ace to go after Blackbeard. Whiteboard more so wants to protect what can be protected, that’s why he went for ace, but not for oden
Also he knows the true history from Roger and at this point in time thought Ace was going to be his successor and the one to shoulder all the history of the D clan. You could make the case he didn't want to go to Wano just yet because Ace wasn't ready but in his mind, at some point in time Ace would be the one to open up the borders of the country like Oden wanted. That's also why he has his crew go balls deep to protect Luffy after Ace dies because he realizes that Luffy is actually Roger's successor.
I agree with your explanations but I think the chapter was first of all to strengthen Ace's connection with Wano and underline the fact that Luffy has to carry out Ace's will. Also it might be that Whitebeard tried being reasonable for once, deciding to keep the lives of his men against the dead part of his family, because we are not always following our ideals, each and every time. But then he resented not going, most likely.
Great video. I think it's too early to see how 999 affects WB because future chapters could add further depth to the scene, but your points are valid and refutations were on point. As one of those desperate WB fans on twitter, I'm still clinging onto that hope lol.
The weird thing is I feel like this could have been avoided with Whitebeard knowing about Toki's prophecy and believing/trusting in it. He got the True History from Roger and his dying words hint he knew about JoyBoy.
I hear these arguments but the only thing I can say is that white beard only risked everyone's life for ace because he believed he was the one roger was waiting for and the one to become pirate king,
I can only see it as the same reason as the hostage situation. Whitebeard knows Oden loved his country and didn't want to destroy it or cause the deaths of many citizens. Whitebeard's ability would cause giant earthquakes and Kaido would be creating tons of tornadoes .. and massive amounts of civilians would be hurt by the AOE of those attacks. Also, Drizzt please make videos again. We miss ya dude
It’s like half the people in the comments didn’t even watch the video. They’re all still using the same excuses you already covered. Don’t blame Drizzt blame Oda.
I completely agree but it is not like we can do something to change this. Think about Sabo's amnesia, it was the same thing, something to come up with to make the story make sense as not everything is planed out beforehand. And what happened? We forgot about it and moved on. This is what will happen now as well, with the Whitebeard situation.
I think there could many many reasons, Revenged vs rescue Balance of power, if two Yonkos beat each other up it would shift the power in favour of the WG, Oden was a brother not a son may have changed their relationship compare to WB’s sons, Kaido was also the crew mate of WB in the past, I know he that BB was his crew member too, It may not just be multiple reasons, hopefully Oda will give us a DEEPER answer as to why WB didn’t do anything.
Agree with your points. In regards to the Ace being alive and Oden being dead rebutal that the community are throwing around, this doesn't make sense to me for a few reasons. 1. WB isn't portrayed to be an idiot. He's old, experienced and has been through countless of battles during his time. Out of all the characters alive that's a pirate, he's probably the only character alongside Rayleigh who know just how powerful the Navy truly are. With the forces they prepared to defend Marineford, they could've handled two, if not 3 yonkou crews at the same time. Therefore, it makes WB's character look completely idiotic if he actaully truly believed Ace would be saved or even that him and his crew would be able to escape with their lives. Someone like WB should know that the only result of them invading marineford would be the complete wipeout of his crew. There was 0% chance they were saving Ace, and the initial forces/plan WB turned up with was pitiful. Why condemn your entire family and fleet to all of their deaths if the reason why you didn't avenge Oden was because you're worried about the loss of lives? It makes no sense and the reason we were given just goes completely against his character, As I said, WB should know the only result of that war is a complete wipe for his crew. So therefore, the arguement that Ace was alive and Oden was dead doesn't hold up. WB will turn up regardless, dead or alive because he doesn't allow his family to suffer without consequences. So if he can go all out war against a force much more powerful than Kaido even when he himself is much weaker compared to the time he would've attacked Kaido, then WB would never allow Kaido off. 2. Furthermore, we can see throughout the war just how weak the WB pirates were. Without the aid of Luffy and his powerful allies of impel down, Ace would've been executed like 3 times as the WB pirates had no way of preventing it without them. Their best plan was to have Marco fly in and somehow? steal Ace when Sengoku and Garp are chilling next to him like wtf. Even with Luffy and his allies providing unforseen aid which had nothing to do with WB's inital plan, Luffy was only able to free Ace of those chains from insanely stupid plot armour. The admirals actively tried their BEST to not kill Luffy which makes no sense. KIzaru never aimed at a fatal body part with his lazers, instead of shooting the lazer at Luffy when Luffy is running up the stairs that was cut, he tries warping to their and is prevented by WB, he also shoots the key instead of just shooting Luffy and his head off. He also has the opportunity to kill Luffy but decides to kick him back to WB. And these are only a few examples when there are many more. Like the amount of stupidity that had to happen just so Luffy could get to Ace alive and free him from those chains was totally unrealisitc. It just goes to show how Ace had no chance of being saved. Besides as we see the only character Garp would've let through was Luffy. It can't be called a rescue mission when there is no chance of rescueing the person you're here for. If Big Mom was going to execute Sanji and they prepared their forces like the Navy did in Marineford, sure Luffy would go and it would be called a 'rescue mission' but there would be no chance of it working. The war was so one sided that Shanks had to step in and If not for Shanks, the entire WB crew and fleet are wiped out from existence, and the Navy paid no price for it. None of their top fighters suffer any major injuries. That's how one sided it is and how big the difference in strength was between both sides. SO saying one is a rescue mission and the other is for revenge falls extrememly flat and you can blame Oda for making the WB pirates so stupidly weak. 3.This idea that WB would not take revenge upon fallen dead family members is just some insane mental gymnastics. If this were the case then his crew would've fallen apart by now and there is no way he would have the reputation everyone knows him by across the seas. If Marco was killed by Big Mom, does WB let her off in order to avoid casualties? Then if Jozu is killed of by Shanks after, does WB let Shanks go too? Then what about Kaido killing Vista after that? Does he let Kaido off too?.Because according to some people, WB isn't the type of character to go for revenge and that saving lives are more important, which in the case of this hypothetical, WB wouldn't go to war for any dead fallen crew member as there would be 'no point'. 4. People bring up how he was against taking revenge on BB to provide proof as why his choice for Oden makes sense - in that his character isn't about taking revenge on others. Firstly, WB never stated he doesn't want revenge. The flashback we get, is of Ace mad af after finding out the news trying to head off by himself whilst the WB pirates try to calm him down to stop him from going. They don't even know where BB is, what do you expect WB to do in the moment? They could get revenge as a crew in a month, few months, a years time maybe once it's settled down and they have a plan and oppurtunity to do so. I mean BB isn't even threatening like Kaido, why on earth would anyone think he doesn't want revenge unless it specifically tells us 'WB doesn't want to avenge Thatch NO MATTER WHAT'. Also if he was completely against revenge, they could've easily restrained Ace and stopped him from going. But obviously a part of WB wanted revenge, and the other part knew that letting Ace go by himself is stupid as BB is dangerous af. Infact it makes no sense to not send another commander or two like Marco as backup for Ace, but Ace had to be captured for plot conveniance. Furthermore, If WB is so against revenge, why did he literally put everything into trying to avenge Thatch when BB appeared in the war? He literally priorotized taking revenge on BB who poses no threat to him or his crew at that moment, instead of ensuring the safety and escape of his crew and Luffy. WB specifically mentions BB to pay the price in the name of his son Thatch. At this point in time, if we are to assume WB isn't a character that takes revenge upon dead family members, then it makes no sense for him to engage BB instead of ensuring his crew got out alive and safe as BB is pretty much an enemy of the Navy at that point too. Lastly, people will eat up anything Oda writes even if it's poor writing. There is no other series I see this done for except OP, any criticism of OP is dismissed by majority of the fanbase. These same readers will point out flaws in other series so easily, but choose to turn a blind eye to the exact same flaws that arise in OP. It really is a bizzare worship of the authour. I could come up with any bs excuse as to why WB didn't take action too if it means I can go against his character. It's like if a timeskip happens and the strawhats lose this war, and we find out Nami or any strawhat was killed and tortured by the hands of Big Mom but the rest of the Strawhats escaped, and then we find out that Luffy hadn't retaliated over the period of countless years. Everyone would be thinking wtf? It would be extremely hard to come up with a reason as to why Luffy hasn't retaliated and avenged Nami and let Big Mom get away with it, but then the reason we are given is some bs like 'Luffy is afraid of Big Mom'. I mean yeah, I can make that reasoning too before it gets revealed to us, that doesn't mean it makes any sense and completely goes against the character of Luffy. The guy that went to war against the Navy when he was much weaker would never allow Kaido off.
Good video I agree with most of it and while watching it got me thinking. What if Whitebeard did fight Kaido if he left Wano Country (after all he has losses) but was unable to kill him for whatever reason. And didn’t go to Wano because he didn’t want to bring danger to the citizens even Oden let the rest of Wano go further downhill for a mere hundred hostages and a promise. I only really thought of this because Marco said they didn’t march on Wano because of casualties, not that they wouldn’t fight the beast pirates
I think you have some valid points. But I think that I still view WB the same- even if more nuanced. We don't know the full character arc of WB- and he did was through one-at one point he was a Rock Pirate. About him being famouse for being a savage- we didn't seen a direct proof of that. It a theme in one piece- fake news. Zoro being rumored to be a savage demon. Sir Crocodile known actually as a hero. I view WB more of... proffesor Xavier from X men rather then a "family gangster"- Ace has attacked Jimbei. This should be enough by the procceveed image of WB to kill him... but he doesn't.
thing is, it's literally hours before ace's execution tho. so it supports the statement that it wouldn't have mattered since they're on they way there already wherein oden's case was years apart
I agree with most of your points Drizzt. I think that Oda put himself in a plot point that was almost impossible to satisfactory justify. We all thought that it made no sense that Whitebeard would let Wano in that state in he knew what was going out. The only REAL reason for all this is: PLOT CONVENIENCE. Oda couldn't let Whitebeard fight this battle because it would make no sense for him not to win or simply die.... So he made this "meh" justification for Luffy to be the savior. I would simply ignore this justification of the events because it clashes with what we knew of Whitebeard.
Thank you Drizzt for being honest and not sugar coating anything unlike most people within the OP community. I can't wait for Chapter 1000 being the supposed best chapter ever despite it probably not being that good.
He seems to be the only one that has their head screwed on properly In this community! all the reviewers I see are nothing but fanboys, who never give Oda any fuss about plot holes in the story.
@@shakky1512 did you just say "plot holes don't matter" lol you can't be serious now. Drizzt is by far a bigger fan than most of the reviewers out there. cause he takes time out of his day to critique the story, and actually gives valid reasons for doing so. If he hated the story he wouldn't bother even reading it let alone streaming his reactions to chapters. i'd much rather have someone speak the truth about something rather than act like it's the best thing since sliced bread. let's face it most one piece reviewers out there are brain dead fanboys who can't look at anything with an intelligent view point, and speak about how they feel half the times cause they wanna cater to their fanbase.
Even in Marineford he doesn't say to his crewmate go die directly heck in the end he let his crewmate go in the end and doesn't want them to be here moment Ace is retrieve mission wasn't to defeat Navy he brought his crewmate because he needed them to fight vice admiral admiral etc etc and get Ace out of here he just needed help 7:50 Do you think out of nowhere a whole ass Yonko crew will come and liberate Wano and his subordinate wouldn't inform Kaido heck the moment Whitebeard is out Kaido might get info Whitebeard is coming to Wano because Yonko have intelligence system that inform them what happen 9:52 It is not Odd Shanks literally explain to us if Whitebeard confront Blackbeard his place will be taken by Blackbeard and that's exactly what happened 10:37 That "weird feeling" is potential of him dying and his crewmate getting fatherless it doesn't need to co align with other when we know semantics behind his crew 12:41 It's totally different context he is seeing Luffy as a total different person who can stand up to him and talk to him and doesn't care who Whitebeard is he see will of d in Luffy it's not that he's Ace brother that he will help him he help him because he's a man a worthy man 13:13 Context he realize that Oden and Hiyori die after several decades is it worth it to risk his crewmate to save over a dead person 14:54 But why did they don't go to Wano ? In the end what is possible reason why did he do that 16:07 That's not end all be all of this conversation what if they killed the Ace what happened then ?? Do we 100% sure know Whitebeard will go to fight with his Crew ? Are you sure about that 17:47 Again I would say that Ace is right infront of him and most importantly his child Oden was his brother someone whom he respected he seem his in his own level and Oden also directly told Roger to not interfere in Wano matter what if Roger told Whitebeard that message ? Like is Oden even his "crewmate" because he is a man who just ask him to journey on his ship for his own sake 18:52-18:53 nah we are never told that's the reason Squardo is his son Ace is his son and again he love all his sons equally Brago point isn't favoritism it's Whitebeard realizing that he can't lead a wide scale invasion in another country just for revenge If you read Ace novel we are told Kaido have surpassed Whitebeard as strongest his crewmate even Whitebeard crewmate admit Kaido is strongest and most invincible being in existence Several years could even mean 6 years aka 1 year before Ace join crew he sure as shit wasn't in his prime then 28:10 It does Marco know next generation will show up and rise to power Ace Izo Marco planned that if Ace reached his prime they would take his crew and fight with him to go in Wano to save his crew What if Whitebeard bet on future generation and future of what potential Ace could reach and have him handle his battle Like keep in mind Whitebeard find it ridiculous to claim that Ace could challenge Kaido what if he did face Kaido I know this is reach But I think Drizzt we should wait on context behind the decision of Whitebeard to make the full case and even if we don't get it's way too ambiguous Like there are so many reason like biggest thing for me is Whitebeard as a leader of Yonko crew find it worth to revenge over his "crewmate" and do a full blown Yonko war like I know we know the idea that Whitebeard wouldn't 100% go behind anyone if his crewmate will die through thatch and most importantly there was something he could have done on Marineford but here nothing is there to save like I really don't know its 100% that Whitebeard will go if Marines would have executed Ace Like think of it as Bruce Wayne and his ideal to not kill it's something that is not in full 100% set in iron and can be broken
Ultimately I believe that he believed he may lose but that was not his reason it's only because oden wanted to open wono without outside help I just believe that WB just respected his wishes that much
You need to go back and look at whitebeard all over again you missed what kind of character he was when he was introduced. Also for the craziness you went spreading on the live stream for chapter 1000. Luffy definitely wants to find the one-piece, don't know how you guys started comparing who wanted it more roger or Luffy but it not a contest to begin with. But roger did not have an uphill battle fighting against the world trying to prevent him from finding the one-piece, when roger was around they did not know it even existed. Almost every last person Luffy runs into either actively tries to stop him or helps him. With roger, he just strolled on into Laughtale without having to face and fight big mom or Kaido, Luffy is facing them both down something Roger never accomplished.
Its kinda weird when people say the argument of Oden is dead and Ace was alive . Lets not forget the fact that Oden was used as entertainment for Kaido and Ororchi which in essence means Oden was humiliated before death. Imagine if Nami or Robin was humiliated before death, should Luffy not avenge them? Shouldn't Luffy go and get revenge to regain their honour?
@@DmitryIvanAlyosha80 I mean that's what we know right? Oden dying an honorable death or not does not change the fact that WB didn't go avenge whoever killed Oden.
@@GamingXCentre Your comment implied that Oden having been humiliated should have served as extra motivation for WB to avenge his death. We don’t know what WB was told regarding his death, only that he had heard he died. We don’t know that WB was filled in on what took place in the years prior to his death. That absolutely could make a difference. It doesn’t change the fact that he didn’t go, but it also doesn’t necessarily undermine the “Oden is dead and Ace was alive” argument either.
@@DmitryIvanAlyosha80 Still man, WB should have went to Wano himself and found out what actually happened. If WB considers Owen his brother then he should have found out the truth of Oden's death.
@@GamingXCentre If I were WB I would definitely do the same. I would have also gone after BB myself for killing Thatch considering BB broke his most important rule and basically spit in his face. I agreed with Ace’s reasoning that they should have gone after him.
the only thing i wanna add is the balance of the yonko navy system we know that they are in a sensitive balance and whitebeard must know another yonko will be a huge war thatll last days on end and alot of casualties on his side and whitebeard has alot of territory that he has to protect , areas like his hometown which he makes sure are not overrun by pirates if he was to wage war against kaido itll cost whitebeard a shit ton of men and lets say he wins, then whitebeard wouldnt have any the manpower to protect all his territory and that would be bad for him with marineford he knew he was dying to best to go out saving ace as the last thing he could do and most of the whitebeard pirates was saved at the very end because of shanks so whitebeard pirates had the force to protect their area but against kaido they will be fighting to the last man and no one will come to break the fight , because of that , that would be a reason for whitebeard and lets say whitebeard wins again would he still be a yonko would he still be considered a yonko, yonko needs big territory. strong crew and strong captain and with kaido down that would mean nearly 2 yonko are out, and as such will lead to a big power gap, where another yonko will rise and because of that more pirates will now attack the weakened whitebeard pirate and his territory knowing they wont be able to protect them and he would lose a great deal for just oden maybe thats a reason for whtbeard but as u said he was willing to sacrifice everything for ace soo idk being honest the only thing that annoyed me was the excuse marco gave, that lives would be lost like no shit this a war, lives will always be lost in a war, thats a very redundant point to make that in this war alot of innocents will get affected , but to do nothing is upsetting, year by year kaido army grew in power with smiles , and year by year whitebeard strenght grew weaker, the chances of minimal lives being lost would diminish more and more by the year if they had said that we have already started making plans like sending spies like x drake and working their way up to learn about kaidos army thats perfectly fine, or that they plan to attack with neko and inu in 20 years time das also fne or that they might not be a yonko crew after a battle with kaido and thats fine for me but the excuse given was very poor ngl that lives would be lost in a war and i just laughed lol,
@@nihili4196 I think he cares about all of them. But for me clearly Ace was higher up than the others. He was Rogers son and he wanted to make him king. He was special imo
Whitebeard was respecting the sacrifices Oden made to save his own people, he wasn't willing sacrifice his children and innocent people of wano to avenge his dead brother and his family, but whitebeard attacked marineford because Ace was alive, marine isn't willing to sacrifice innocent civilians or hold them as hostage whereas kaido would hold the people of wano hostage It's what I think
This community is severely lacking in content like this. It was well-reasoned, logical, and you methodically went through and debunked every single excuse beautifully. I've only seen you on bragos streams but if I'd known you had a UA-cam channel I would've subscribed long ago. Great work.
I might not agree with stuff he says but I will defend his right to say it. All you hear on any one piece thing is all other chapters this week, MID, one piece, PEAK PIECE 10/10 chapter etc. Egg head especially when in reality it all seems just like exposition dumps which is fine if people didn't call out other series for this. The main plot has not progressed in many chapters, yet if you don't do it for other series people call the series trash see part 2 of chainsawman for examples. Overall one piece is great just gets no constructive criticism unlike other series. A chapter could be luffy taking a dump and people would overanalyse and say PEAK PEICE...you don't get it...its like Christopher nolan fans.
The dark side of the community is a pathway to many discussions some consider to be..... CANCEROUS
Lmao..
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one
Drizzt im rewatching all ur Content pls i need more.
Gotta say this was an interesting vid to watch and I respect the effort you put into it 🙏 Also all those images of Brago lmao 😂😂😂😂😂😂
The images were needed.
Valid points. The main hangup for me is that there's a huge difference between marching on Marineford and Wano. Destroying Marineford in battle and destroying Wano in battle are different weights. If the shoes on the other foot , would Oden March on Sphinx island to liberate , even if it meant many of the citizens would die? He probably wouldn't. Does that make Oden a coward?
Well said. Killing civilians in the collateral at a Marine base is not at all the same as killing civilians in collateral at the home of your former nakama who died fighting for the people of that land.
Your statement implies that Oden and Whitebeard have a relationship of equals “if it was Oden”
Don’t forget that WB refers to Oden as his little brother!!
But... Drizzty boy literally countered that argument already. Just call up Kaido. Dude wants nothing more than a good fight so there is no reason to ever set foot on Wano in order to fight Kaido.
@@schnozchan6606 were there a lot of civilians at Marineford?
@@crocodilewani5467 I'll rewatch but I never heard a counter to my exact point. Drizzt seems to be saying that WB should've marched in even if it meant sacrificing the lives Oden saved just for his character to stay "consistent"
I think Oda intentionally made WB call Oden a brother to change the meaning for their relatioship. A son is some one you protect and brother is not same thing. I know its samantics but Oda did choose to not call him a son of WB.
I feel like thats more because of Oden's strenght, maybe WB felt it would be disrespectful to call someone so strong his son. He clearly had a strong emotional bond with Oden when Roger asked to borrow him.
I mean luffy went to hell and back for ace and is still gunning for black beard’s head even tho they’re brothers, same with sabo too. Brothers are still family
Maybe kadiou was whitebeards little brother to
@@jah_alexander Luffy is not Whitebeard, stop using the same logic.
@@allhailtheking6039 yeah white beard cares about his family more than luffy, and luffy still went all out to get his brother back. White beard would do the same
It all comes down to expectation vs reality like with every other Yonko. Big Mom was portrayed as competent, same with her crew: people who would finish a job; but were nothing like that. Shanks is portrayed as a ruthless man, but he just wants to party. And now with Whitebeard, it is getting revealed that he wasn't that fearless pirate who would do anything, rather he was more calculative and would choose his and his crew peace over revenge.
That sounds pretty interesting, what's your perspective on Kaido? I'm really curious.
Well with Kaido it can be his invincibility. The narrator said he can't be killed and blades can't cut him, but as we saw if you have ryou you can make Kaidou bleed. Kinemon, who didn't assist with anything in Dressrosa, did damage against the all mighty Kaido. He can't kill him, but it showed us that it doesn't take much to damage him.
@@dreamdevils1464 You’re right but I wouldn’t say it doesn’t take much to hurt Kaido. The majority of people in One Piece probably still can’t hurt him.
Kaido is unkillable but he's more emotionally unstable than tectonic plates under marineford during the battle
@@nihili4196 Still not as bad as Big Mom
What i think the story is missing is WB initial reaction to this info. To me it feels like when ace told him to go fight and he gave his reasons not to, it felt like a disingenuous reasons, and not something he meant. I wonder how he got to that point, and more importantly who.
Maybe the moment he learned about it he immediately got into a rage, just like when Roger tried to take Oden but worst. But someone was able to calm him down, maybe a marco or izo.
Come on Drizzts you know this is obviously plot induced stupidity for the story to close up plot holes that oda made after writing himself into a corner with oden and his relationship with whitebeard and his character! It’s so blatant too. He had no other choice and there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING he can do that can reprimand this mistake he made with whitebeard. Messed up having him as a member of the whitebeard pirates in the first place and THEN having him die in such a way that would obviously make all hell break loose for the story because it’s so obvious that the beast pirates would have been murder stomped if he was consistent with whitebeard(and we couldn’t have that?) , should have just left him as a member of the roger pirates from the jump! He messed up big time.
That's a really good point about how Oden should have been with Roger from start. Oden being a part of Whitebeard's crew really doesn't affect the plot in any meaningful way other than getting Marco to Wano.
The thing is even the roger pirates did nothing about it ,lol prime Rayleigh prime scopper,shanks is now yonko , why don’t they all storm kaido right now if oden was that important To them? Lol big news oden isn’t worth it even the roger pirates don’t care about him🤪
@@hyypio764 and the thing is, the WB pirates didn't even need to have Oden with them. Marco going there to keep the promise he made to Ace/WB to make sure that Luffy is okay and Izou coming bc of his sister.
@@dadi5458 The Rogers pirates disbanded right after they found out that they weren't the destined ones for the one piece and Shanks was just a kid. So, it's "convenient" that they never went back there LMAO.
Drizzt as usual spitting
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@@DrizztTheDragDown Drizzzztuuuu huge fan of yours my boy
I hate it when you are so right drizzt, hope to see more upcoming contents
Honestly think it's because they thought Oden and everyone were dead, it had been so long and with ace he was alive and potential PK in WB's eyes. If WB knew about Oden's execution at the time he'd have definitely rolled up and raised hell. With BB he just different
Didn't think to visit him once in 20 years
Marineford being evacuated of citizens seems incredibly important to me. Kaido states in the flashback that Oden was similar to WB and Roger in the way they act. Whitebeard taking action would endanger the citizens of Wano the same way if Oden took action. I personally don’t have that much of a problem due to Oden also being dead for multiple years before the WB crew found out. The last time them seeing Oden being almost a decade ago.
Very good discussion video that rebutts all the main points well but I think the main reason Whitebeard didn't attack is time. Using what you said in the video, about several being commonly used for 4, I think that is a very long time to want to go back for revenge. This is where Marco chimes in and says that they've thought about it numerous times. Being 4-9 years AFTER Oden's death, in addition to the amount of times they crew has debated going (which probably added significant time), the end conclusion was that it's not worth it. The reputation up till that point in the Whitebeard's career was that if you hurt or kill a member, the wrath of the crew will be coming very soon
Part of the reason they saw it as to dangerous to attack Kaido was because Oden was dead. Losing your lives to rescue someone is very different than losing them to avenge someone. Oda doesn’t have to say it for that to be the reason. Just like Whitebeard didn’t want Ace to avenge Thatch because he didn’t want him to die. It could also be that Whitebeard saw invading Wano and fighting Kaido as that much more dangerous than the Marineford situation. You can’t really plan things when you don’t fully know what’s going on in Wano.
@James Joe Dude I wrote the comment after watching the video. He kinda does but not really.
Exactly I am saying this to so many people.
The brago pictures are hilarious XD
Honestly, I´m ok with that plot hole now, cause it made ma boi Sakazuki right with his opinion about WB.
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My thought of whitebeard thing it could be doing plot purpose. Is also idea the whitebeard he may have knew his limitations as person. As strong and as powerful whitebeard is as character he knew his limits. There some battles that aren’t worth risk have family being involved in. They just found out several years after oden death. He might cause some his own allies or his own family die. I don’t think him being father like figure to his crew wants kids and children being at risked toward another yonko. The ace Situation since he is Alive. He would risked everything go save his family. Whitebeard might not been able save oden, or tatch but he could try to travel save one of his adopt sons’ towards his last voyage.
But it wasn’t like he said he wasn’t going to fight Kaido one day he probably at least wanted Ace to get more experience to fight Kaido but then Blackbeard happened.
So many of these comments just ignored the points you brought up in the video and just flat out dont address them just to repeat the exact same excuses. God i love this community
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Lmao, big shmood.
Also. In retrospeck... I dont see why was it needed to make Oden member of WB's crew at all
>...and i don't think he will
Are you ever tired of being right, drizzt?
Watching this for the tenth time
Drizzt upload lets gooo!!
The intro tho LMAO 🤣 😂
Bringin it back
After 2 months, Freedom atlast
Wano is terrible:
-The death of White Beard character as you mentioned, my favorite character in the whole show. Really sucks. Massive blow
-The Dango stuff. What a cheap and convenient plot line. Her devil fruit was basically for the plot like Sugar but worse. Everything about Tama is too convenient. Luffy meets her first thing somehow out of nowhere. It takes people free will throw mind control. This is pretty much slavery. You should make a video about how bad this is. It goes against the whole free person that Luffy wants to be.
-Ryou or advanced haki being used as a main plot device to take out Kaido. I could write sn essay about how inconsistent and vague haki is.
-Cheap massive power ups for Zoro and Sanji undermining Luffy’s growth in the new world. Basically asspulls out of nowhere.
Lol Pretty much all of your points are nonsense and have pretty much been disproven by the story itself.
Jesus the last two points were trash 😭😭😭the WB one is circumstantial between Odens death and time that has passed, the only one was good was Tama kibidango
Glad to have you back.
I need more Drizzy content , Most of the UA-camrs are Disneypiece and recycled content big eco chamber Vybz , good to you Drizzt for making your own path
Drizzt you are a much needed part of the OP community.
I took about a year off from the series feeling Wano was mediocre. I liked the flashback but overall my feelings haven’t changed much but truthfully this wasn’t something that stood out to me. I will say that yes it’s bad on Oda’s part for not going more in depth with this leaving the reader to fill in the holes but my interpretation has never been that Whitebeard would go to war over any of his crew members. The Squardo situation did emphasize he cares for all his crew but there’s a difference between trading a crew member or multiple for one vs everyone agreeing to risk their lives for one. I’ve always felt that the reason Whitebeard went to save Ace was because he saw Ace as someone who wasn’t special who wasn’t meant to die yet, not solely because he was apart of his crew. This isn’t specifically stated by Whitebeard but I’ve always felt like it was what the story portrayed by mentioning that Ace was Roger’s son and Ace having the potential to take Whitebeard’s place, as well as him being a D. by extension which Whitebeard knows the meaning of. The reason I’ve always been under this impression is because the narrative of MF was about ending the era of Roger and Whitebeard. I still agree that this should have been given to us directly instead of leaving room to speculate but for me when I look at the Oden situation based on my interpretation it would be something confirming it instead of contradicting Whitebeard. The Thatch situation shows that Whitebeard can be reasonable in breaking his code if given proper motivation
Drizzt is consistently able to articulate his opinion effectively and thoroughly, regardless on whether you agree, you can at least say it's a good video.... or you could throw a hissy fit about how "Drizzt is just a hater" and "If Drizzt doesn't like One Piece he shouldn't read it". I could rebuttal by saying "You are just a hater" and "If you don't like Drizzt don't watch him". It's so nonsensical, it is okay to love something even if you know it has flaws, so don't shoot the messenger (Drizzt), who is informing you of the flaws.
If people believe that the message is dumbfounded, they won’t care about the messenger in that regard.
If the messenger pities opinions or beliefs that contradict his/her message through words and/or actions even when facts support a different message that contradicts the messenger, then the messenger is mocked or pitied as a consequence.
Regardless of whether you believe or don’t believe those two statements, there will be those who mock those with beliefs or opinions that differ from their own beliefs or opinions.
To me, calling someone a hater is the very same thing as claiming that someone cannot comprehend the “flaws” of something.
Let's frame this for context because honestly the notion that Whitebeard's character was "destroyed" by not going back to Wano to avenge Oden is legit an extreme overreaction devoid of context at best and just flat out looking and having to reach for something to rant and complain about at worst.
I chuckled at Drizzt haviing a "Perception vs. Reality" rebutal portion in this video and not applying it how the series handles "statements made by characters in regards to other thing". It's funny because in doing so, Drizzt touched on it but didn't directly address it wholesale. Character opinions on other characters, groups, islands, etc have shown to often times be hyperbole. Buggy's current portrayal in the story and subsequent statements about his portrayal are ones that are not accurate. You'd have thunk by shooting down the WG flag in Enies Lobby the Strawhats would be forced to square off against the Fleet Admiral himself based on the whole "Do you not understand what you've done by declaring war on the WG" reactions and statements from the people there and Spandam. This is not to say Garp was wrong or right about Whitebeard going after them whether they killed Ace in Impel Down or not. For the record I think he would have as it would have made sense for his character (I'll get to that). I'm just saying it's a specious argument to correlate that bit of dialogue to Oden without mentioning that shit characters say in One Piece aren't always 100% accurate.
Why?
Easy. It's another point Drizzy glossed over but didn't fully address. It's not JUST that Ace was alive and Oden was dead that Whitebeard didn't think twice about rescuing Ace as opposed to avenging Oden. It's not JUST that Oden left the crew and Ace hadn't that Whitebeard didn't think twice about rescuing Ace as opposed to avenging Whitebeard. It's the direct circumstances CONTEXTUALIZED fully that justify Whitbeard choosing against going back to Wano to avenge Oden after debating it with his crew as opposed to nothing stopping him from getting to Ace before he was to be executed or even directly after he was potentially executed.
Ace, was the CURRENT 2nd division commander of the Whitebeard Pirates who was beaten and captured by a FORMER SUBORDINATE of his crew. If Ace was executed, not only would that have been an L but it would have been the SECOND L that DIRECTLY a result of Teach who would have been DIRECTLY responsible for TWO of his family members dying. However to make matter WORSE not only would Ace be dying but he was to be PURPOSELY EXECUTED IN FRONT OF THE ENTIRE WORLD AS A DIRECT SLAP IN THE FACE TO WHITEBEARD. The WG WANTED to go to war with him and provoked him by staging the execution in the manner they did. The very action of this happening and Whitebeard not DOING ANYTHING would have destroyed his actual reputation and character and in turn would have opened up his territories and family to MORE attacks if he didn't clap back. He's a Yonko. The WG was directly antagonizing a Yonko and they were doing so by killing a member of his family PUBLICALLY. That can't slide.
Juxtapose that to Oden. Oden, was a FORMER member of the crew. I know Drizzt touched on this...but he did so in an extremely specious way because he didn't mention one of the most very important things about Oden being a "former member". That was HOW long he had been a former member. It'll probably be dismissed as irrelevant by Drizzt but it isn't by any stretch of the imagination. As he stated, Whitebeard didn't find out about Oden's death until "several years" after the fact. That's big. Here's why. Oden left Whitebeard's ship to sale with Roger for a year. He returned to Wano, twerkd for 5 years, and then was killed by Kaido. Whitebeard found out several years afterwards (at least 2). So that's 8+ years after he left the crew that they found out he was killed by Kaido at least. THAT MATTERS. 8+ years is a long time and it's a whole whole WHOLE lot easier to have clarity about recklessly avenging someone's death after you haven't seen them nor have they been an active part of your family for at least 8 years after they willingly left your ship to join "someone else's family" as opposed to recklessly SAVING SOMEONE who's alive and has been apart of your family for years now that was only captured due to him trying to avenge another member of your immediate family that was murdered. I'm not saying Whitebeard was still butthurt at Oden for leaving and thus said "fuck this dude and his family, he got what he deserved" or "He's not a active member so it's none of my business". That's not the case because he contemplated going back. What I am saying is even though Whitebeard did consider Oden a brother, his brother had been dead A LONG time and waging war on Kaido would have literally accomplished NOTHING other than getting a lot of his own people killed and the time passed gives one that kind of clarity as opposed to reacting in the moment. The same can not be said for going after Ace.
Look if you want to say it would have ENCHANCED Whitebeard's character for him to not give a fuck and recklessly challenge Kaido and the Beast Pirates at the expense of their own lives strictly based on the principle that "You don't mess with one of us" then that's fine. I actually agree. That WOULD have been dope. I'd have love to have seen it even though Oda would have off screened it if it did happen. That's one thing....but to say his character was "destroyed" or whatever is nonsense. Whitebeard is a hardened PIRATE who was once on a crew where they killed each other all the time and saw countless towns, villages, and islands of people killed, destroyed, and enslaved. It's hardly a stretch to see how he'd chalk Oden challenging Kaido and losing up to the game. Even if that meant Wano burned. Especially 8+ years after the fact and his family supposedly already killed.
Bro this comment is perfect, one thing you didn't mention though, but is just as important, let's say Whitebeard went to Onigashima and won, what would've stopped Big Mom or the Goverment from picking the bones? It's been stated several times that the Yonkou are always trying to one up each other, matter of fact Shanks had to stop Kaidou from capitalizing off of the war on Marineford. So this shit also matters, but i don't see no one bringing this shit up.
I love one piece fans who act like they know everything and pick and choose what to hear and listen to all ur points are countered in the video and y clearly didn't listen properly all ur points are also very weak
I agree with your point of Oden being a former member of the crew. Oden left the crew and it was demonstrated with Usopp how serious that is especially when they're familial bonds. I think that would have been enough to cut ties but that wasn't the reason given so it's moot.
I don't like the reasons given because I think it was to absolve WB but I think it hurt his character. Him not knowing makes no sense to me because he is a yonkou and he considered Oden his brother, whose children was born on his ship, and Izo (who unwillingly left Wano leaving behind a blood and bonded brothers) stayed but they didn't check on him for years.
They thought invading Wano would cost a lot of innocent lives. But the Alliance was able to find a way. So you're saying that WB did no recon to at least assess things.
Your point about Ace I believe is wrong. A part of Ace's arc was that he didn't think he should have been born. A war being fought to save him validated his life, I think connecting it to the reputation and territories diminishes that.
@@MrLordvoldemort101 Yonkou's aren't clairvoyant. WB being a Yonkou doesn't mean he's supposed to just inherently know what's going on on Wano. WB had no reason to avenge Oden either. Oden left his home, then left his crew, then left Roger's crew, then went home to clean up the mess that happened while he was gone. That's Oden's fight. Oden lost. Simple as that. It's not like Kaidou sought Oden out and clapped him on the street. Oden went back home, picked a fight w/Kaidou, and lost after Oden was no longer in the crew. Those are the facts of what happened.
You can argue about Izo not going back or wanting to know what was going on and I'll listen. But WB? Nah. Your point and my point about Ace can both be correct. I agree that Marineford was more than just about WB protecting his rep and territories. But that was a part of it. That was part of his responsibility as a Yonkou and captain. To protect his crew as a captain and protect his territory as a Yonkou. Oden was no longer part of his crew. Like you said. So....like I'm not really sure what the hold up here is.
ill always love u, ur vids, and ur opinions bro
Drizzt....my nigga. This was impeccable. Everything you said was true.
I also thought at first that one of the big differences between the Ace and the Oden situations was that Oden was already dead, but that panel of Garp stating that death isn’t a matter to Whitebeard in taking action on behalf of his crew destroys that argument. If you go against it, you’re basically implying that we should not use the information given to us by the characters word for word and that we should “interpret” their words for what they may actually mean.
At that point though, all you have is speculation. These speculations may very well be correct, but we don’t know because nothing in the story tells us that they are. As a result, it would be wrong to build a case or an argument in favor of Whitebeard based on speculations and assumptions, and I feel that many of the rebuttals you will get will be coming from that perspective.
I do hold out hope that they use concrete evidence from the story though, as this would be very entertaining and would make for productive discourse.
Good job man. I mean that.
Nicely said Teddy. That's part of the problem. I made the case clear within the video how looking at the story and what it offers is entirely different than just forcing answers out of nowhere.
Flawed writing =/= Character flaws
@@confusedmuse9662 you make a good point regarding Whitebeard and I agree that I had the same mindset as well. A lot o what we hear about some pirates is hearsay. However, these rumors aren’t unfounded. Also, we have the direct dialogue between Whitebeard and Ace that you mentioned where he literally said “let it go ‘this time’” which implies that there have been other times where similar transgressions have been punished.
Additionally, when Whitebeard converses with Shanks, he tells him that it is a known rule on his ship that the one thing you don’t do is turn on your crew mates the way Blackbeard did. That’s the main reason why Ace was so mad because that was disrespect of the highest order.
You have to realize, Whitebeard’s portrayal has been very inconsistent, but part of that may be due to his careful nature and how he takes situations case by case. He messed up with Oden, in my personal opinion, unless as I’ve mentioned before, when he learned of Oden’s fate, he also learned why he shouldn’t take action. Maybe Lasy Toki found her way to him since it hasn’t been confirmed whether she’s dead or alive still.
Finally, regarding the translation of what Garp said, whether you take it to mean Whitebeard in particular or the events that were about to unfold, the fact of the matter is, it’s all the same in the end. It means that Whitebeard was already on the move and whether Ace lived or died at that point, Whitebeard would still show up and go on a rampage. You see what I mean?
@@confusedmuse9662 I got your point tho, no worries fam 👍🏾
Marineford was a Navy base where there are no civilians, if whitebeard went to WANO with his crew...
The Destruction cause by whitebeard and Kaido will nearly could destroy WANO and CItizens of wano
There were civilians on Marineford. The world government just had the wisdom to evacuate them before the battle begun
Yeah, allowing Kaido to torture citizens for decades was a much better idea. We killed thousands of Japanese people to end world war 2 and stop the Nazis, sacrifices sometimes have to be made.
@Sunny Sunny Bullshit. After we dropped bombs on them the first time, they didn't surrender. It was only after dropping bombs on the twice that they surrendered. We had to bomb the hell out of them twice for them to finally stop the killing and raping.
@Sunny Sunny You can't determine which actions to take during a war based on "speculation". Maybe you shouldn't put your trust into people who chopped babies heads off and put them on sticks, raped and tortured thousands of Chinese women and little girls, forced whole families to dig their own graves, killed them then buried them into said graves. These are all historically factual things they would do. Don't let the kawaii stuff fool you.
@Sunny Sunny Don't bother dudes fully fallen for the 'We did it for the greater good!!!' bullshit excuse
Great video & very interesting perspective on White Beard. I never would have thought about it like this. Thanks Drizzt!
I had the same thought reading it and agree with most of this, but what do you think of the idea that whitebeard was (in universe) wrong about how he handled the situation with oden, and that mistake is what led to him being so adamant about saving Ace? Of course so far we haven't gotten that explored explicitly in the story, so unless we do it's shoddy writing regardless.
watching the vid, being captivated by the monologue and then them brago pics come up LMFAO
U've made alot of valid points am kind of in the middle of this pretty indifferent and conflicted
I will start by saying that I do agree Whitebeard reaction is just Oda trying to patch some plot holes and is hurts WB character, but I feel this following statements may be rebuttles that wasn't tackled in the video directly. Also I believe Sawyer said it best, the reason WB didn't attack Kiado is because of plot.
1st) While watching your video you pointed out how the 2nd division commander was vacant until Ace filled it, which may be seen as some closure to Oden death. But Ace being taken and executed would be a another loss that is equal to Oden. (Maybe more if losing a son is greater than losing a brother) Would that be more of a reason that he WB is acting on Ace vs acting on Oden?
2nd) Suppose that the revenge of Oden would carry equal loss as the saving of Ace. WB actions in Marineford is not only to save Ace, but pave the way for the new generation. We also get the idea that the current fight in Wano is diffrenet then normal, as per Marco to King and Queen 'you are pitting yourself to the NEW generation' (999). WB went all in to save Ace for he is the representative of the new generation (which seems to fall to Luffy after Ace dies). Even though you do tackle that Ace isn't a favorite, are we to belive Whitebeard would go all out on the goverment if some fodder was on the chopping block? I feel that Ace is defiently a special case compared to other members, even Oden.
So would the arguments be reasons on explaining the discrepancy between WB reaction to Ace vs Oden? Also I am aware that this does not tackle the issue of WB overall image as a man of family, but I am only tackling the difference between Ace and Oden.
I think your rebuttals were good, however the Oden dead, Ace alive argument is in my opinion the most sound and sensical one, Whitebeard is a smart character, he knows going to war over an already dead crewmember is pointless, and assuming he did know Odens family also died, that would even more make it more meaningless to fight. Whitebeard has never been the revenge guy, the world might know him as such, but we have seen on multiple occasions that he isnt. Garp telling Ace that Whitebeard is coming even if he dies, isnt a contradiction, we do not know the extent of Garps relationship with Whitebeard, and Oda can still go deeper with Whitebeards character and motivations. As it stands I can see both sides of the argument, but it is easily explainable if Oda ever chooses to do so.
Basically if you kill Whitebeard's sons it's ok but if you capture them he'll get real mad
He would be just as mad but his brain is more adjusted to protection than blind rage. As angry as he may get the "protect your family" angle will always be the logical outcome of his actions. His rage is aimed at things he wants to protect and preserve which is his family. With Ace, the result in his actions would be to protect. With Oden, going to avenge a dead man can only result in the death of the ones he wants to protect. WB isn't about revenge for revenge sake. If he m his crew was killed by be a weaker crew where he knew all his family would make it out alive in sure he would go and avenge them though. But going against a top tier crew that is at least evenly matched, there will be deaths, and the result of going there would be counter productive to his overall life goals, which is protect your treasure, your family
@@TheArsenal21 if you want to be dishonest sure
I dont think we know wb enough to say whether he's the revenge type or not. Revenge may or may not be the case, but avenging Oden still applies. WB knows that Oden was meant to be Shogun and was informed of Kaido's take over and harsh ruling of the country. Helping to liberate Wano would be a way of avenging Oden, which the wb pirates took too long to act upon.
In regards to WB and Garps relationship I feel you are grasping straws. You are going beyond the fiction based story itself to create a point. Garps statement was simply done to inform us the readers of the type of person WB is and what to expect in the near future which was Marineford arc, so Garps info was more or less collect.
Drizzt with the heat analysis
First of all the case of blackbeard and ace is an exception, from what I can see through wb eyes is he wouldn't go to wano just like from the argument already brought up because he doesnt want to potentially bring his family to ruin when not even any confirmed information about kozuki family and the retainer that they are alive (which even all of the wano residence already have them dead in their mind ever since the hour of the legend).
For ace and bb cases let me brought up a question, do you honestly think that lets say if one of whitey bay or someone of wb pirates alliances mobs have the same situation just like the whole thatch, ace and blackbeard case whitebeard would command all of his power to help and figure the situation. I know it doesnt seem very comparable since ace is the 2nd commander, rogers son, and all of the context surrounding him and bb which is exactly why thats an exception.
For those who read this long shit, I appreciate you
As much as I would love to say that ace alive, oden dead argument is enough for me... I can't.
Oda is amazing writer but you have to call spade a spade. Unless he'll explain that later better, I'm calling bs on WB's reasoning for not going to Wano. It is a mistake on Oda's part so far.
He is amazing writer, but he's still human. How about we just admit that there are things in One Piece that doesn't add up, then enjoy the rest of the story?
Because story doesn't have to be perfect to be great
No it's not, why waste your energy and possibly kill more people you love in the process for a man that is not coming back? It seems to me y'all are not really mad at the writing but at the philosophy behind Whiebeard's decision.
this is years apart people change, whitebeard wont sacrifice his children to avenge a dead man, but ace is very much alive and can still change the world whitebeard is willing to sacrifice everything for ace because he believes that ace can still inherit Gol D Rogers will the will of D. part of his speech on the marine ford war is Roger is waiting, and whitebeard is willing to put all his cards on Ace
But that further boosts the point of that pirate who stabbed wb( forgotten his name), in that he felt wb was playing favourites because of aces background and what he represented when the point made was that wb doesnt distinguish anyone in his family, he would treat everyone equally.
@@cwoherem well can you blame whitebeard tho? he is waiting for rogers successor the one that will turn this world around and ace is his best bet
Izo really had a whole brother in wano and didnt give a fuck, Lmao
Although I don’t always agree with Drizzt the man has some interesting thoughts, being in an echo chamber about anything is bad for ya health.
tbh tho like the only thing I personally have to criticize WB about is the whole Thatch ordeal, but the Oden matter is super complicated and there is a lot of things to consider as to why whitebeard wouldn't go to wano. Just imagine Kaido using all of those prisoners in udon, I dont think WB's brother Oden would feel honored in death knowing WB would have to fight his samurai, the same people Oden danced in the streets for and ect. Also if whitebeard does happen to beat kaido, who would run Wano? Ashura Doji wouldn't, kinemon and the others are still in the time warp and most thought momo was dead. Denjiro possibly, but he'd have to blow his cover way to early. Even tho the WG doesnt interfere with wano often, I doubt they would let WB and Kaido duke it out especially given WB standing in the world at the time.
Great video. You made some really good points. This makes so much sense, yet it will always be considered an unpopular/very controversial take because some people will ignore much of the evidence and will try to defend and justify Oda at any cost, no matter what. One Piece is one of my favourite fictional stories EVER. Still, it shoudn't be exempted from criticism, especially when it's very well done just like in this video.
This notion that only you and people like you are the real intelectuals and the others are fanboys is some of the corniest narratives i've ever seen in a comunity that is already full of cornballs.
@@allhailtheking6039 I just wrote my opinion on the matter. My opinion, if it wasn't clear already. You can disagree with it, of course.
And I have never claimed that "only myself and people like me are the real intellectuals". That would be incredibly arrogant and I literally have no idea of how you came up with that .
One Piece is full of fake hype... there are 3 WS characters at the same time in a story with numerous rivals... Oda is avg at best but people have spent so much time with OP that they wont accept reality...
Mentality is different with age, cautious at the top, and the story was portraying a man who could do so much, yet so little when it comes to the lives of people around. Izo was thrown onto WB and eventually was morphed by his ideologies, and stayed on. As a result he wasn’t aware of what happened in Wano until years later. By then, it would be too late. Such as a war in real life be started bc of an incident that occurred X amount of years ago. It would not be logical at all. There is no excuse for some on WB ship such as Izo or Marco to not avenge Oden and his family. However it is a recurring theme to respect the decision of the captain. Fast forward to a man who is sick and dying, WB needed to save Ace, but his own health stood in way. His mentality at the beginning of Marineford was to be cautious the way he use to be in his earlier years. After Ace died, look were it stood, he pretty much wanted to bring the whole island down, telling his crew to run so he could die with era and everyone that stood in the way. Though I see Whitebeard as grand, he is not perfect. That is why Oda probably placed this portrayal of him so he could be surpassed by someone who will not stop at taking down his enemy, Monkey D. Luffy.
I think a big factor of what Whitebeard was considering too was traversing the Wano Waterful etc would be treacherous enough too
This, not enough talk regarding how fuckin impossible Wano is to invade.
If a rookie pirate like ace can make it, I think Whitebeard can manage.
@@ActionJJ one pirate ship versus an entire Yonko fleet going up the waterfalls is quite the difference.
@@ActionJJ ace came when kaido and his men weren't there
@@VictorDurand-me5yu yea but I would think a crew like whitebeard will be fine with people like marco and a now trained ace on board.
hope you have a great christmas with that lit discussion to light up everyones christmas chimney inside their hearts Kappa
people are mad cuz drizzt is right and its sad. These stans will bend over backwards to call a man whose manga is a shadow of its former self goda even as he destroys his own lore and drops lackluster arcs. I find it funny how people come up with any and all excuses sometimes citing interpretations of events and reaching as if one piece is a subtle comic to defend mistakes but will jump down someones throat when they say oda made a mistake. Challenging the comic to live up to the standards it used to have or (gasp) even improve is not spreading negativity and its not toxic.
For real, I don't understand why they can't get that?? It's a fact that one piece went downhill since the timeskip started and it's worrying when we think about how the last arc will play out, and ppl have their qualms with Wano. (Wano is the only long arc I've liked since post-TS but the lows were LOW AF).
@@chanelmapendo3761 I think for some people one piece is all they have in their life and emotionally they'll never be able to accept its decline. It's a part of their identity having grown up with the comic. Which makes them deflect when criticism is lobbed, get angry when others don't appreciate the chapter or arc or character direction and rationalizing obvious mistakes by oda. Then theres those that make money off of bigging up the comic. By hyping the comic up they get more subs and if they critisized it too harshly their fanbase wouldn't grow so idek if you can count those people as honestly speaking their truth
I feel like it’s actually pretty consistent with his character, because he also didn’t want ace to go after Blackbeard. Whiteboard more so wants to protect what can be protected, that’s why he went for ace, but not for oden
Also he knows the true history from Roger and at this point in time thought Ace was going to be his successor and the one to shoulder all the history of the D clan. You could make the case he didn't want to go to Wano just yet because Ace wasn't ready but in his mind, at some point in time Ace would be the one to open up the borders of the country like Oden wanted. That's also why he has his crew go balls deep to protect Luffy after Ace dies because he realizes that Luffy is actually Roger's successor.
Been waiting for this video. Nice
NOICE
Make a video about the Gum gum fruit because the Gorosie should be fired and oda just pulled a asspull
I agree with your explanations but I think the chapter was first of all to strengthen Ace's connection with Wano and underline the fact that Luffy has to carry out Ace's will. Also it might be that Whitebeard tried being reasonable for once, deciding to keep the lives of his men against the dead part of his family, because we are not always following our ideals, each and every time. But then he resented not going, most likely.
Great video. I think it's too early to see how 999 affects WB because future chapters could add further depth to the scene, but your points are valid and refutations were on point. As one of those desperate WB fans on twitter, I'm still clinging onto that hope lol.
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Yoooooooooo a drizzt vid lesss fucking gooooooooooooo kingshit
The weird thing is I feel like this could have been avoided with Whitebeard knowing about Toki's prophecy and believing/trusting in it. He got the True History from Roger and his dying words hint he knew about JoyBoy.
I hear these arguments but the only thing I can say is that white beard only risked everyone's life for ace because he believed he was the one roger was waiting for and the one to become pirate king,
I can only see it as the same reason as the hostage situation.
Whitebeard knows Oden loved his country and didn't want to destroy it or cause the deaths of many citizens. Whitebeard's ability would cause giant earthquakes and Kaido would be creating tons of tornadoes .. and massive amounts of civilians would be hurt by the AOE of those attacks.
Also, Drizzt please make videos again. We miss ya dude
My boy is back
It’s like half the people in the comments didn’t even watch the video. They’re all still using the same excuses you already covered. Don’t blame Drizzt blame Oda.
He covered? 🤣😂🤓
@@igorthadeu6094 you only have half a brain apparently.
@@almightyfishmixx4739 you and this Guy dont have ANY
@Sunny Sunny I’m glad you felt the need to share that with me random internet stranger I don’t given a damn about.
I completely agree but it is not like we can do something to change this. Think about Sabo's amnesia, it was the same thing, something to come up with to make the story make sense as not everything is planed out beforehand. And what happened? We forgot about it and moved on. This is what will happen now as well, with the Whitebeard situation.
I think there could many many reasons,
Revenged vs rescue
Balance of power, if two Yonkos beat each other up it would shift the power in favour of the WG,
Oden was a brother not a son may have changed their relationship compare to WB’s sons,
Kaido was also the crew mate of WB in the past, I know he that BB was his crew member too,
It may not just be multiple reasons, hopefully Oda will give us a DEEPER answer as to why WB didn’t do anything.
Those brago pics are amazing.
Agree with your points. In regards to the Ace being alive and Oden being dead rebutal that the community are throwing around, this doesn't make sense to me for a few reasons.
1. WB isn't portrayed to be an idiot. He's old, experienced and has been through countless of battles during his time. Out of all the characters alive that's a pirate, he's probably the only character alongside Rayleigh who know just how powerful the Navy truly are. With the forces they prepared to defend Marineford, they could've handled two, if not 3 yonkou crews at the same time. Therefore, it makes WB's character look completely idiotic if he actaully truly believed Ace would be saved or even that him and his crew would be able to escape with their lives. Someone like WB should know that the only result of them invading marineford would be the complete wipeout of his crew. There was 0% chance they were saving Ace, and the initial forces/plan WB turned up with was pitiful. Why condemn your entire family and fleet to all of their deaths if the reason why you didn't avenge Oden was because you're worried about the loss of lives? It makes no sense and the reason we were given just goes completely against his character, As I said, WB should know the only result of that war is a complete wipe for his crew. So therefore, the arguement that Ace was alive and Oden was dead doesn't hold up. WB will turn up regardless, dead or alive because he doesn't allow his family to suffer without consequences. So if he can go all out war against a force much more powerful than Kaido even when he himself is much weaker compared to the time he would've attacked Kaido, then WB would never allow Kaido off.
2. Furthermore, we can see throughout the war just how weak the WB pirates were. Without the aid of Luffy and his powerful allies of impel down, Ace would've been executed like 3 times as the WB pirates had no way of preventing it without them. Their best plan was to have Marco fly in and somehow? steal Ace when Sengoku and Garp are chilling next to him like wtf. Even with Luffy and his allies providing unforseen aid which had nothing to do with WB's inital plan, Luffy was only able to free Ace of those chains from insanely stupid plot armour. The admirals actively tried their BEST to not kill Luffy which makes no sense. KIzaru never aimed at a fatal body part with his lazers, instead of shooting the lazer at Luffy when Luffy is running up the stairs that was cut, he tries warping to their and is prevented by WB, he also shoots the key instead of just shooting Luffy and his head off. He also has the opportunity to kill Luffy but decides to kick him back to WB. And these are only a few examples when there are many more. Like the amount of stupidity that had to happen just so Luffy could get to Ace alive and free him from those chains was totally unrealisitc. It just goes to show how Ace had no chance of being saved. Besides as we see the only character Garp would've let through was Luffy. It can't be called a rescue mission when there is no chance of rescueing the person you're here for. If Big Mom was going to execute Sanji and they prepared their forces like the Navy did in Marineford, sure Luffy would go and it would be called a 'rescue mission' but there would be no chance of it working. The war was so one sided that Shanks had to step in and If not for Shanks, the entire WB crew and fleet are wiped out from existence, and the Navy paid no price for it. None of their top fighters suffer any major injuries. That's how one sided it is and how big the difference in strength was between both sides. SO saying one is a rescue mission and the other is for revenge falls extrememly flat and you can blame Oda for making the WB pirates so stupidly weak.
3.This idea that WB would not take revenge upon fallen dead family members is just some insane mental gymnastics. If this were the case then his crew would've fallen apart by now and there is no way he would have the reputation everyone knows him by across the seas. If Marco was killed by Big Mom, does WB let her off in order to avoid casualties? Then if Jozu is killed of by Shanks after, does WB let Shanks go too? Then what about Kaido killing Vista after that? Does he let Kaido off too?.Because according to some people, WB isn't the type of character to go for revenge and that saving lives are more important, which in the case of this hypothetical, WB wouldn't go to war for any dead fallen crew member as there would be 'no point'.
4. People bring up how he was against taking revenge on BB to provide proof as why his choice for Oden makes sense - in that his character isn't about taking revenge on others. Firstly, WB never stated he doesn't want revenge. The flashback we get, is of Ace mad af after finding out the news trying to head off by himself whilst the WB pirates try to calm him down to stop him from going. They don't even know where BB is, what do you expect WB to do in the moment? They could get revenge as a crew in a month, few months, a years time maybe once it's settled down and they have a plan and oppurtunity to do so. I mean BB isn't even threatening like Kaido, why on earth would anyone think he doesn't want revenge unless it specifically tells us 'WB doesn't want to avenge Thatch NO MATTER WHAT'. Also if he was completely against revenge, they could've easily restrained Ace and stopped him from going. But obviously a part of WB wanted revenge, and the other part knew that letting Ace go by himself is stupid as BB is dangerous af. Infact it makes no sense to not send another commander or two like Marco as backup for Ace, but Ace had to be captured for plot conveniance. Furthermore, If WB is so against revenge, why did he literally put everything into trying to avenge Thatch when BB appeared in the war? He literally priorotized taking revenge on BB who poses no threat to him or his crew at that moment, instead of ensuring the safety and escape of his crew and Luffy. WB specifically mentions BB to pay the price in the name of his son Thatch. At this point in time, if we are to assume WB isn't a character that takes revenge upon dead family members, then it makes no sense for him to engage BB instead of ensuring his crew got out alive and safe as BB is pretty much an enemy of the Navy at that point too.
Lastly, people will eat up anything Oda writes even if it's poor writing. There is no other series I see this done for except OP, any criticism of OP is dismissed by majority of the fanbase. These same readers will point out flaws in other series so easily, but choose to turn a blind eye to the exact same flaws that arise in OP. It really is a bizzare worship of the authour. I could come up with any bs excuse as to why WB didn't take action too if it means I can go against his character. It's like if a timeskip happens and the strawhats lose this war, and we find out Nami or any strawhat was killed and tortured by the hands of Big Mom but the rest of the Strawhats escaped, and then we find out that Luffy hadn't retaliated over the period of countless years. Everyone would be thinking wtf? It would be extremely hard to come up with a reason as to why Luffy hasn't retaliated and avenged Nami and let Big Mom get away with it, but then the reason we are given is some bs like 'Luffy is afraid of Big Mom'. I mean yeah, I can make that reasoning too before it gets revealed to us, that doesn't mean it makes any sense and completely goes against the character of Luffy. The guy that went to war against the Navy when he was much weaker would never allow Kaido off.
Nicely said
A whole sermon!!!! This sums up pretty much why I can't stand the OP fanbase bc of how hypocrite they can be.
0:18 aye drizzt you bogus as hell😂
*ah fa*
Good video I agree with most of it and while watching it got me thinking. What if Whitebeard did fight Kaido if he left Wano Country (after all he has losses) but was unable to kill him for whatever reason. And didn’t go to Wano because he didn’t want to bring danger to the citizens even Oden let the rest of Wano go further downhill for a mere hundred hostages and a promise. I only really thought of this because Marco said they didn’t march on Wano because of casualties, not that they wouldn’t fight the beast pirates
Would love too see you list the plot holes of one piece so far in a video
I respect this analogy
Great video interesting take on Whitebeards character
I think you have some valid points. But I think that I still view WB the same- even if more nuanced. We don't know the full character arc of WB- and he did was through one-at one point he was a Rock Pirate.
About him being famouse for being a savage- we didn't seen a direct proof of that.
It a theme in one piece- fake news.
Zoro being rumored to be a savage demon. Sir Crocodile known actually as a hero. I view WB more of... proffesor Xavier from X men rather then a "family gangster"-
Ace has attacked Jimbei. This should be enough by the procceveed image of WB to kill him... but he doesn't.
thing is, it's literally hours before ace's execution tho. so it supports the statement that it wouldn't have mattered since they're on they way there already wherein oden's case was years apart
I agree with most of your points Drizzt. I think that Oda put himself in a plot point that was almost impossible to satisfactory justify. We all thought that it made no sense that Whitebeard would let Wano in that state in he knew what was going out.
The only REAL reason for all this is: PLOT CONVENIENCE. Oda couldn't let Whitebeard fight this battle because it would make no sense for him not to win or simply die.... So he made this "meh" justification for Luffy to be the savior.
I would simply ignore this justification of the events because it clashes with what we knew of Whitebeard.
This "plot convenience" has become an increasingly used device from Oda, and there are consequences to doing it.
Definitely not a good thing imo
Dem Brago pics tho!😂😂🤣😂
Top tier
Thank you Drizzt for being honest and not sugar coating anything unlike most people within the OP community. I can't wait for Chapter 1000 being the supposed best chapter ever despite it probably not being that good.
It's hard to buy into the hype.
Oda has hurt you in the past. Healing that wound can only benefit everyone in the community. You're very intelligent. I'm sure you can do it.
He seems to be the only one that has their head screwed on properly In this community!
all the reviewers I see are nothing but fanboys, who never give Oda any fuss about plot holes in the story.
@@avalac7412 because plot holes don't matter and they actually like the story unlike Dritzz.
@@shakky1512 did you just say "plot holes don't matter" lol you can't be serious now. Drizzt is by far a bigger fan than most of the reviewers out there. cause he takes time out of his day to critique the story, and actually gives valid reasons for doing so. If he hated the story he wouldn't bother even reading it let alone streaming his reactions to chapters.
i'd much rather have someone speak the truth about something rather than act like it's the best thing since sliced bread. let's face it most one piece reviewers out there are brain dead fanboys who can't look at anything with an intelligent view point, and speak about how they feel half the times cause they wanna cater to their fanbase.
@@avalac7412 I give him fuss. I'm just afraid if I say it out loud I'll get attacked because I'm a woman.
Didn't think my donation woulda sparked all this lol but I agree with you Drizzt
*plot twist*
Broo cooked for 29 Mintues and 14 seconds straight😭
Brotha Drittz spittin Fax
Even in Marineford he doesn't say to his crewmate go die directly heck in the end he let his crewmate go in the end and doesn't want them to be here moment Ace is retrieve mission wasn't to defeat Navy he brought his crewmate because he needed them to fight vice admiral admiral etc etc and get Ace out of here he just needed help
7:50 Do you think out of nowhere a whole ass Yonko crew will come and liberate Wano and his subordinate wouldn't inform Kaido heck the moment Whitebeard is out Kaido might get info Whitebeard is coming to Wano because Yonko have intelligence system that inform them what happen
9:52 It is not Odd Shanks literally explain to us if Whitebeard confront Blackbeard his place will be taken by Blackbeard and that's exactly what happened
10:37 That "weird feeling" is potential of him dying and his crewmate getting fatherless it doesn't need to co align with other when we know semantics behind his crew
12:41 It's totally different context he is seeing Luffy as a total different person who can stand up to him and talk to him and doesn't care who Whitebeard is he see will of d in Luffy it's not that he's Ace brother that he will help him he help him because he's a man a worthy man
13:13 Context he realize that Oden and Hiyori die after several decades is it worth it to risk his crewmate to save over a dead person
14:54 But why did they don't go to Wano ? In the end what is possible reason why did he do that
16:07 That's not end all be all of this conversation what if they killed the Ace what happened then ?? Do we 100% sure know Whitebeard will go to fight with his Crew ? Are you sure about that
17:47 Again I would say that Ace is right infront of him and most importantly his child Oden was his brother someone whom he respected he seem his in his own level and Oden also directly told Roger to not interfere in Wano matter what if Roger told Whitebeard that message ? Like is Oden even his "crewmate" because he is a man who just ask him to journey on his ship for his own sake
18:52-18:53 nah we are never told that's the reason
Squardo is his son Ace is his son and again he love all his sons equally
Brago point isn't favoritism it's Whitebeard realizing that he can't lead a wide scale invasion in another country just for revenge
If you read Ace novel we are told Kaido have surpassed Whitebeard as strongest his crewmate even Whitebeard crewmate admit Kaido is strongest and most invincible being in existence
Several years could even mean 6 years aka 1 year before Ace join crew he sure as shit wasn't in his prime then
28:10 It does Marco know next generation will show up and rise to power Ace Izo Marco planned that if Ace reached his prime they would take his crew and fight with him to go in Wano to save his crew
What if Whitebeard bet on future generation and future of what potential Ace could reach and have him handle his battle
Like keep in mind Whitebeard find it ridiculous to claim that Ace could challenge Kaido what if he did face Kaido I know this is reach
But I think Drizzt we should wait on context behind the decision of Whitebeard to make the full case and even if we don't get it's way too ambiguous
Like there are so many reason like biggest thing for me is Whitebeard as a leader of Yonko crew find it worth to revenge over his "crewmate" and do a full blown Yonko war like I know we know the idea that Whitebeard wouldn't 100% go behind anyone if his crewmate will die through thatch and most importantly there was something he could have done on Marineford but here nothing is there to save like I really don't know its 100% that Whitebeard will go if Marines would have executed Ace
Like think of it as Bruce Wayne and his ideal to not kill it's something that is not in full 100% set in iron and can be broken
This man never saves his stream. Like wtf that's maaaaaaad content.
I wish I could like this video 100 times ... this shit made no sense that white beard did not act ...
Ultimately I believe that he believed he may lose but that was not his reason it's only because oden wanted to open wono without outside help I just believe that WB just respected his wishes that much
You need to go back and look at whitebeard all over again you missed what kind of character he was when he was introduced. Also for the craziness you went spreading on the live stream for chapter 1000. Luffy definitely wants to find the one-piece, don't know how you guys started comparing who wanted it more roger or Luffy but it not a contest to begin with. But roger did not have an uphill battle fighting against the world trying to prevent him from finding the one-piece, when roger was around they did not know it even existed. Almost every last person Luffy runs into either actively tries to stop him or helps him. With roger, he just strolled on into Laughtale without having to face and fight big mom or Kaido, Luffy is facing them both down something Roger never accomplished.
Thank you for helping ith the reverie 🙂
No, Joyboy gave a great explanation in his latest video too
Lmao JoyBoy is one of the biggest One Piece apologists out there.
@@AdamVoidless And this dude is one of the biggest one piece crybabies out there.
New subscriber here 👏🏿
Its kinda weird when people say the argument of Oden is dead and Ace was alive . Lets not forget the fact that Oden was used as entertainment for Kaido and Ororchi which in essence means Oden was humiliated before death. Imagine if Nami or Robin was humiliated before death, should Luffy not avenge them? Shouldn't Luffy go and get revenge to regain their honour?
Did Whitebeard know that he was humiliated before he died?
@@DmitryIvanAlyosha80 I mean that's what we know right? Oden dying an honorable death or not does not change the fact that WB didn't go avenge whoever killed Oden.
@@GamingXCentre Your comment implied that Oden having been humiliated should have served as extra motivation for WB to avenge his death. We don’t know what WB was told regarding his death, only that he had heard he died. We don’t know that WB was filled in on what took place in the years prior to his death. That absolutely could make a difference. It doesn’t change the fact that he didn’t go, but it also doesn’t necessarily undermine the “Oden is dead and Ace was alive” argument either.
@@DmitryIvanAlyosha80 Still man, WB should have went to Wano himself and found out what actually happened. If WB considers Owen his brother then he should have found out the truth of Oden's death.
@@GamingXCentre If I were WB I would definitely do the same. I would have also gone after BB myself for killing Thatch considering BB broke his most important rule and basically spit in his face. I agreed with Ace’s reasoning that they should have gone after him.
the only thing i wanna add is the balance of the yonko navy system
we know that they are in a sensitive balance
and whitebeard must know another yonko will be a huge war thatll last days on end and alot of casualties on his side
and whitebeard has alot of territory that he has to protect , areas like his hometown which he makes sure are not overrun by pirates
if he was to wage war against kaido itll cost whitebeard a shit ton of men and lets say he wins, then whitebeard wouldnt have any the manpower to protect all his territory
and that would be bad for him
with marineford he knew he was dying to best to go out saving ace as the last thing he could do
and most of the whitebeard pirates was saved at the very end because of shanks so whitebeard pirates had the force to protect their area
but against kaido they will be fighting to the last man and no one will come to break the fight , because of that , that would be a reason for whitebeard
and lets say whitebeard wins again
would he still be a yonko would he still be considered a yonko, yonko needs big territory. strong crew and strong captain and with kaido down
that would mean nearly 2 yonko are out, and as such will lead to a big power gap, where another yonko will rise and because of that more pirates will now attack the weakened whitebeard pirate and his territory knowing they wont be able to protect them
and he would lose a great deal for just oden
maybe thats a reason for whtbeard but as u said he was willing to sacrifice everything for ace soo idk being honest
the only thing that annoyed me was the excuse marco gave, that lives would be lost
like no shit this a war, lives will always be lost in a war, thats a very redundant point to make that in this war alot of innocents will get affected ,
but to do nothing is upsetting, year by year kaido army grew in power with smiles , and year by year whitebeard strenght grew weaker, the chances of minimal lives being lost would diminish more and more by the year
if they had said that we have already started making plans like sending spies like x drake and working their way up to learn about kaidos army thats perfectly fine, or that they plan to attack with neko and inu in 20 years time das also fne
or that they might not be a yonko crew after a battle with kaido and thats fine for me
but the excuse given was very poor ngl
that lives would be lost in a war and i just laughed lol,
I think the simple explanation is that Ace means more to WB than anyone else...
Even though WB said that he cares about each member of his family exactly the same. So either he lied or...
@@nihili4196 I think he cares about all of them. But for me clearly Ace was higher up than the others. He was Rogers son and he wanted to make him king. He was special imo
Oh man thanks for asking I would say no, no it doesn’t.
Great video Drizzt, keep doing you!
Ratio that old man my liege
Good video man, these are my thoughts too #AkainuWasRight
Whitebeard was respecting the sacrifices Oden made to save his own people, he wasn't willing sacrifice his children and innocent people of wano to avenge his dead brother and his family, but whitebeard attacked marineford because Ace was alive, marine isn't willing to sacrifice innocent civilians or hold them as hostage whereas kaido would hold the people of wano hostage
It's what I think