The smoke not rising is probably because of a temperature inversion. That is, the temperature is increasing with the altitude. The rising smoke will after a while reach the same temperature as the surrounding air and consequently stop rising.
Normally the air temperature is cooler the higher the altitude. In an inversion cold air is blocked by the warmer air above. Smoke and dust particles get collected beneath the inversion layer and spread horizontally to fill the lower strata of the atmosphere. A long winter night with clear skies and still air is an ideal situation for inversion.
this is hardcore testing :) would be great to see how the car behaves after being cooled down outside in -30 for a longer period, starting up, and going for a long trip. thats the scenario when you go home from the cabin. as for fossil cars, the 12v battery is the achilles heel...
Ioniq28 ninja trick - turn heat temperature high (25c) then press screen/demist button, but then turn the HEAT button off. This seems to force ioniq to only use heatpump for heating. Takes longer to warm up, but pulls far less energy overall. (at least in UK climate) Hopefully you can test this 😊👌⚡
My favourite saying from Bjorn...."sheeeeeeeeiiiiit!" LOL -31 is pretty damn cold!! That's well over 60 degrees colder than what it is here in Australia atm. I'd be happy to swap!
15:50 Bjørn wtf, I am struggling with cold knees in my Model 3 since I bought it 3 years ago. Every winter I hate it, because after like, 30 minutes driving in cold 🥶 , I had cold knees. Now I have to test your pro tip. And I heard it here first 😂😂. Thanks man 👍👍
17:40 you get the average (driven) speed alongside the two trip meters in the main instrument cluster.Where in your setting you see the average consumption since reset, which unfortunately is not tied to the two trip meters and is only one counter rather than two
I have the same problem in my Ioniq with V3 superchargers, the top shape of the connetor is curved rather than flat, hit to the led of the Ioniq port and don’t let the plug make complete contact. You have to force it, with the risk of broke the led.
@@JanNovak-pg8oe Less forest? 🧐 In the past 20-30 years there has been a big increase in global forest cover, and in places like Norway, the natural regrowth rate is so high it has become a big problem for bio diversity. One of the reasons for this is global warming that drive the tree line higher and higher up the mountains for each year, but you also have more industrialized farming that no longer have live stock out in the nature during the summer, that used to keep the regrowth under control.
Yes, old fashioned road trip with a bit of adventure.. Would be bad if the cars shutsdown in minus 30 degrees. Did you bring the ecoflow with the heater ?
Our ID.3 also struggles to lock the charge port to V3 Superchargers. Amazing videos as always thanks. When are you heading to Thailand Bjorn? Looking forward to those videos!
Should I buy an ioniq classic or facelift? If i didn’t care about app access and newer nav display. I don’t think the bigger battery is an argument for the facelift, right (just for the first lap for sure)?
EV's work in the cold, but you can loose shitload of range and charging can be dog slow when you cant preheat battery (Q4 e50 owner 2 yrs now) Due to high consumption my theoretical range goes from (summer) 470kmt to (winther) 300 at almost 100% charge. Actual milage is just above 200 km. Then you have to charge often on DC at a high rate (6 Nok pr kw). You drive 1-2 hours and charge for an hour... EVs work best in summer imho ;)
Thanks for the test but what happens when car is outside at night while weather is very cold how fast does it charge then. Or does it use interior heat to heat the battery too?
Hi again! And another question: in those maybe 50 kms without crossing to any other car, were there cell phone coverage? If the car would have broken down, you would be in danger!
Wouldn´t it be better if you´d use a glove to catch and connect the cable??? Your right hand could have been seriously injured... Greetings from Spain! Thnaks for your fantastic channel!
Bjorn - Is there a benefit to shutting off the car when about to DC charge? I have left ours on before and it seems to work fine. If the charge session errors though, the climate stops working and you have to reboot the car.
classic Ioniq will not charge 12V while DC charging unless you do that. You can easily deplete 12V in 20 minutes if the car is on all the time (screens, fans, audiosystem)
Too bad the classic Ioniq doesn’t come with app-support. I went for the facelift; bigger battery and app-support is worth way more than the faster charging. I’ve had the car for 16 months now, and I’ve had only 2 "long" trips with it this far, only needing 2 charging stops to get to destination (and 2-3 stops on my way home) Works great for me anyways, and remotely heating the car in winter before going home after work is a must after night shift. Perfect car in all ways? No, but it’s the best car that meets my needs in that price range for a brand new car…at the time I bought it, anyways
I went to the UK from France last summer for holidays (UK is a nice country by the way) and the charging prices are bloody expensive. I stayed in a B&B and was only paying the standard electricity price during the night to charge my MG4 and even charging at home is expensive in the UK. In France, I pay between 0.10 euros and 0.14 euros/kWh during the night, at home. If I remember well, we were paying something like 30p/kWh at the B&B !!
@@AB-yt4hd very true, currently cheapest is 79p/kWh and I have seen some companies charging £1.15/kWh!!! At home day rate is 60p/kWh and night rate is 25p/kWh... I had EV for 3 years, but since August i switched back to diesel because of these thieves! 3 years ago price at chargers was 24p/kWh. This is 250% increase... Inn august driving EV cost me and my wife 3x more than large suv diesel car
@@alexandersaksvoll5373 lol sure you did... Leasing tesla for just saturday and sunday is £1000 now....and good luck driving all around the country as electric infrastructure is shocking...so yeah try again lol tesla for a month for £1000 with charging included🤣🤣🤣🤣
That is nothing... I was out in -18C and my 2020 eGolf heat-pump sucked 7kW at max and was using around 4kW while idling at the charger with temp set to 22C in car. Suspect it would be a bit lower once the car was properly heat soaked inside, but I had only been out for less than 30 minutes.
If you are thinking about preheating, yes a small car use a little over 1kW. But they are stationary, so there is less heat loss. And if you also have a engine block heater you also must share the capacity of the fuse. A small hydronic heater delivers around 2kW on low and 5kW on high, so this is the same ballpark....
Burning wood is nothing. Try cheap coal, car tires, plastic waste... In winter passing a small town or a village in Poland reqiures turning the internal circulation on or breathing off 😢.
I’m travelling to Norway in Mid-Feb for a family road trip. I love my EV but don’t know if I should hire a fossil instead. My wife will kill me if we break down in the middle of nowhere because I chose an EV….😬
if you stay near the main roads in southern norway it should be no problem, chargers are rarely much more than 50km apart, and the temperature in february is typically just a few degrees below 0, but of course -20 do happen. if it is extremely cold, a fossil car isnt necessarily easier, as the 12v battery need more omph to turn the starter. the 12v in an ev just needs to power up some electronics and low power pumps/fans.
@@bjornnylandnot to me no……but her, yes (I’m almost deaf from the shouting just thinking about it)😬🤣 setting off from Oslo, tour of the Fjords then a Bjorn inspired run to the Arctic Circle (if there is enough time).
@@SuperEglehit’s not me that needs convincing but thanks for the info. I’m from the UK and have a number of charging provider apps. I’ve done decent road trips here to Scotland and the Hebrides etc. Could you recommend to me some of the most popular charging networks over there? Thanks in advance 👍
Because they were designed to work only on Teslas with their rear quarter placement of charging socket. (All Teslas so far have the exact same placement of charging socket, but it looks like Cybertruck is a bit nearer to the front of the car, and I noticed it requires parking closer to the charger to make connection. Tesla never intended opening up charging to non Teslas, so the design was correct originally.
IONIQ ftw! As always!
Great Video Bjorn! Testing older cars at -30! This reminds me of your earlier classic videos!
The smoke not rising is probably because of a temperature inversion. That is, the temperature is increasing with the altitude. The rising smoke will after a while reach the same temperature as the surrounding air and consequently stop rising.
Normally the air temperature is cooler the higher the altitude. In an inversion cold air is blocked by the warmer air above. Smoke and dust particles get collected beneath the inversion layer and spread horizontally to fill the lower strata of the atmosphere. A long winter night with clear skies and still air is an ideal situation for inversion.
this is hardcore testing :) would be great to see how the car behaves after being cooled down outside in -30 for a longer period, starting up, and going for a long trip. thats the scenario when you go home from the cabin. as for fossil cars, the 12v battery is the achilles heel...
Ioniq28 ninja trick - turn heat temperature high (25c) then press screen/demist button, but then turn the HEAT button off.
This seems to force ioniq to only use heatpump for heating.
Takes longer to warm up, but pulls far less energy overall. (at least in UK climate)
Hopefully you can test this 😊👌⚡
These are my favourite videos, on the road, car full of leftovers juggling charge and chargers. Niiice!
My favourite saying from Bjorn...."sheeeeeeeeiiiiit!" LOL -31 is pretty damn cold!! That's well over 60 degrees colder than what it is here in Australia atm. I'd be happy to swap!
"Ancient chinese secret" made my day
Epic. Bjørn knows no fear.
15:50 Bjørn wtf, I am struggling with cold knees in my Model 3 since I bought it 3 years ago. Every winter I hate it, because after like, 30 minutes driving in cold 🥶 , I had cold knees. Now I have to test your pro tip.
And I heard it here first 😂😂.
Thanks man 👍👍
Schalte Die Heizung ein das hilft
Nice technology, it is some kind of hunting for the best charger. OMG
man i'm freezing just by watching🥶
I really like the chioice of music in the videos as of late 😀 keep up the good work Björn
The hard part around the toast is the crust.
17:40 you get the average (driven) speed alongside the two trip meters in the main instrument cluster.Where in your setting you see the average consumption since reset, which unfortunately is not tied to the two trip meters and is only one counter rather than two
Those high beams are like candles🤣
I have the same problem in my Ioniq with V3 superchargers, the top shape of the connetor is curved rather than flat, hit to the led of the Ioniq port and don’t let the plug make complete contact. You have to force it, with the risk of broke the led.
If you want, you can remove some plastic from the led with an dremel, so it will fit.
BTW: Burning wood is CO2 neutral, since the trees are not stored carbon that is coming from inside the earth 🙂
But it realeases PM2.5 and PM10...
@@bjornnylandBTW , old wood ovens is no longer allowed. Must have a newer type, clean burning tech. 😀 Thanks for all videos. Top quality.
@@JanNovak-pg8oe Less forest? 🧐 In the past 20-30 years there has been a big increase in global forest cover, and in places like Norway, the natural regrowth rate is so high it has become a big problem for bio diversity. One of the reasons for this is global warming that drive the tree line higher and higher up the mountains for each year, but you also have more industrialized farming that no longer have live stock out in the nature during the summer, that used to keep the regrowth under control.
I've seen a limit at 175 A, but it could be that it's beeing capped after battery temperature or age.
When you drive in the winter and your head is warm that's the car you should buy lol
Yes, old fashioned road trip with a bit of adventure.. Would be bad if the cars shutsdown in minus 30 degrees. Did you bring the ecoflow with the heater ?
I think he left it at home. Towards the beginning of the video you could see that the screen was turned on
I think it's in the passenger footwell, you can see it around 24:40
Yes you're right.. makes sense, that's what i would do as well @@Armus769
Our ID.3 also struggles to lock the charge port to V3 Superchargers. Amazing videos as always thanks. When are you heading to Thailand Bjorn? Looking forward to those videos!
🏠was expensive; no holiday this year 🤷🏻♂️
In Kona you can feel the difference when rolling in the D or N.
I like how Bjorn always delivers the lulz "you always have to go deeper" 😂
2.73 miles per kWh in really cold is not bad is it?
"its -30°c at the moment, but rising a little bit...thats not good" 😂
Should I buy an ioniq classic or facelift? If i didn’t care about app access and newer nav display. I don’t think the bigger battery is an argument for the facelift, right (just for the first lap for sure)?
Any update on when marcusbil will get first model 3 highland? Waiting for your thougts before I order. Plus the strejk here in sweden 😂
OMG don’t “they” say EV doesn’t work in cold?
TeslaBjorn puts his nuts on the line to prove “them” wrong!
EV's work in the cold, but you can loose shitload of range and charging can be dog slow when you cant preheat battery (Q4 e50 owner 2 yrs now) Due to high consumption my theoretical range goes from (summer) 470kmt to (winther) 300 at almost 100% charge. Actual milage is just above 200 km. Then you have to charge often on DC at a high rate (6 Nok pr kw). You drive 1-2 hours and charge for an hour...
EVs work best in summer imho ;)
@@Iceeeen the VW van? if so same numbers as my Q4, but they are practically the same car :P
17:11 ... imagine car fails to open :D Or just shuts down! 😲
Bjorn? house heat pump review for November if you like... 🙂
28:14 DINNER! 🥩🍽😋
Thanks for the test but what happens when car is outside at night while weather is very cold how fast does it charge then. Or does it use interior heat to heat the battery too?
Hi again!
And another question: in those maybe 50 kms without crossing to any other car, were there cell phone coverage? If the car would have broken down, you would be in danger!
Is that a Hiroshima style okonomiyaki? 😃🤤
Lets redo the test with the batteries at -31C... Ioniq owners dont have a heated garage.
Wouldn´t it be better if you´d use a glove to catch and connect the cable??? Your right hand could have been seriously injured... Greetings from Spain! Thnaks for your fantastic channel!
Maybe a stupid question, why were there two charging handles? I thought Tesla was forced to use CCS2 throughout Europe.
Ioniq generates 2kW at 0 regen level so putting it in neutral as you did id what you have to do for true coasting
I have a 2022 with 55kwh battery..after 31k km the degradation is at 8.8%..not good....or.?
Isn’t it good, Norwegian wood… At least it is a renewable resource.
Still lots of PM2.5 and PM10
Bjorn - Is there a benefit to shutting off the car when about to DC charge? I have left ours on before and it seems to work fine. If the charge session errors though, the climate stops working and you have to reboot the car.
classic Ioniq will not charge 12V while DC charging unless you do that. You can easily deplete 12V in 20 minutes if the car is on all the time (screens, fans, audiosystem)
Too bad the classic Ioniq doesn’t come with app-support. I went for the facelift; bigger battery and app-support is worth way more than the faster charging. I’ve had the car for 16 months now, and I’ve had only 2 "long" trips with it this far, only needing 2 charging stops to get to destination (and 2-3 stops on my way home) Works great for me anyways, and remotely heating the car in winter before going home after work is a must after night shift. Perfect car in all ways? No, but it’s the best car that meets my needs in that price range for a brand new car…at the time I bought it, anyways
Arctic electric car test!😅
Hy!
The classic ionic with the 38kw/h battery woud perfom the same in this conditions?
-30 sheeeet.
bloody hell non tesla vehicle on tesla charger and you paying 2.3 NOK/kWh. in uk we pay cheapest 79p/kWh which is 10.87 NOK/kWh!!!
I went to the UK from France last summer for holidays (UK is a nice country by the way) and the charging prices are bloody expensive. I stayed in a B&B and was only paying the standard electricity price during the night to charge my MG4 and even charging at home is expensive in the UK.
In France, I pay between 0.10 euros and 0.14 euros/kWh during the night, at home. If I remember well, we were paying something like 30p/kWh at the B&B !!
@@AB-yt4hd very true, currently cheapest is 79p/kWh and I have seen some companies charging £1.15/kWh!!!
At home day rate is 60p/kWh and night rate is 25p/kWh...
I had EV for 3 years, but since August i switched back to diesel because of these thieves! 3 years ago price at chargers was 24p/kWh. This is 250% increase...
Inn august driving EV cost me and my wife 3x more than large suv diesel car
@@alexandersaksvoll5373 lol sure you did...
Leasing tesla for just saturday and sunday is £1000 now....and good luck driving all around the country as electric infrastructure is shocking...so yeah try again lol tesla for a month for £1000 with charging included🤣🤣🤣🤣
I wish you cold test weather driving and charging with the bz4x or Solterra. Please :D
I was very shocked to find that my KIA Niro pulled up to 4.7 kw for the heater when turned up to High.
That is nothing... I was out in -18C and my 2020 eGolf heat-pump sucked 7kW at max and was using around 4kW while idling at the charger with temp set to 22C in car.
Suspect it would be a bit lower once the car was properly heat soaked inside, but I had only been out for less than 30 minutes.
Is the Ioniq style/premium variant with a heat pump or PTC heater?
Both of them
What do you mean, best to wait for avoiding rapd gate, when batteries is at 15 degrees ?
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My 2017 classic Ioniq has average speed camera in the gps!…. 😘
moorree cooolllddd mmmmmmoooooooorrrrrrreeeeeee
Yeah, the car doesn't have app support, but you can schedule the heating.
Only if you're plugged in.
@@bjornnyland Yeah, but it was the case, right? Anyway, better than nothing :)
But I saw on social media (once again) that EVs and it's drivers die in the cold. DED
I wonder how poorly LFP based EVs would perform in these conditions
Tesla with BYD Blade battery performs outstanding in the cold.
Wait for thai channel, it not any update in few month.........
3.5kW for heating... thats a LOT. I mean a heater for the car that you connect to 220v is like 1.2kW... so wierd that they need 3.5kW to heat the car.
If you are thinking about preheating, yes a small car use a little over 1kW.
But they are stationary, so there is less heat loss. And if you also have a engine block heater you also must share the capacity of the fuse.
A small hydronic heater delivers around 2kW on low and 5kW on high, so this is the same ballpark....
While on topic of banning, kids, remember that people also produce co2 by breathing!
And when Frankenstein?
Nein
Burning wood is nothing. Try cheap coal, car tires, plastic waste... In winter passing a small town or a village in Poland reqiures turning the internal circulation on or breathing off 😢.
Why can so few EVs match the efficiency of the original Hyundai Ionics? Must try harder...
It's only 1.5 metric tonnes. It's really, really light and same aerodynamics as Model 3. Freaky car.
I’m travelling to Norway in Mid-Feb for a family road trip. I love my EV but don’t know if I should hire a fossil instead. My wife will kill me if we break down in the middle of nowhere because I chose an EV….😬
Would it be different if you break down in the middle of nowhere with a fossil car then? lol
if you stay near the main roads in southern norway it should be no problem, chargers are rarely much more than 50km apart, and the temperature in february is typically just a few degrees below 0, but of course -20 do happen. if it is extremely cold, a fossil car isnt necessarily easier, as the 12v battery need more omph to turn the starter. the 12v in an ev just needs to power up some electronics and low power pumps/fans.
@@bjornnylandnot to me no……but her, yes (I’m almost deaf from the shouting just thinking about it)😬🤣 setting off from Oslo, tour of the Fjords then a Bjorn inspired run to the Arctic Circle (if there is enough time).
@@SuperEglehit’s not me that needs convincing but thanks for the info. I’m from the UK and have a number of charging provider apps. I’ve done decent road trips here to Scotland and the Hebrides etc. Could you recommend to me some of the most popular charging networks over there? Thanks in advance 👍
The design of those Tesla charge points is just plain stupid with those idiotically short cables.
Because they were designed to work only on Teslas with their rear quarter placement of charging socket. (All Teslas so far have the exact same placement of charging socket, but it looks like Cybertruck is a bit nearer to the front of the car, and I noticed it requires parking closer to the charger to make connection. Tesla never intended opening up charging to non Teslas, so the design was correct originally.
haha someone might accidentally pay on your account some money :D
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