I am SO glad I bought the 28kWh Ioniq. Thanks Bjorn. It was your original video, along side Robert Llewellyn's review that sold it to me. I always try to charge when it gets to 20%. I've found that gets the fastest speed. (20% to 90% in 25 minutes on a 50kW charger.)
Hey Bjørn at the same Weekend we made a trip with the Ioniq from Kiel (Germany) to Sandefjord (Norway) via Hirtshals (Danmark). And I can absolutely confirm your test. From Kiel to Hirtshals is about 450 KM and we took 5.5 hrs. We stopped 3x at Ionity and had an average stop of 20 min. But that included eating and toilette with 4 Persons (2 Kids). So it would be able to have shorter breaks as single person. Same tour with the same numbers back home. So yes - Ioniq is still very efficient and (important) a low-cost way of travelling. I used "eins energie" as roaming partner and they charge 5 EUR blanket for each charging at Ionity -> 30 EUR for the whole trip! :)
Yes it is, but it's logical when you think about it. A big battery only helps if you can charge it fast, otherwise, once you exhaust the initial range, charging speed is what determines how fast you will cover a long distance.
24 KWh Leaf can probably beat 62 KWh Leaf... At 55°C it was still taking in 110A till 60% SOC... So more then 40 KW... And it drops to about 25 KW at 80%...
Last December I was deciding between the Ioniq and the Leaf. Your video of the race between them turned me to the Ioniq. I'm not disappointed with the decision. Very happy with the car.
@Matt Byrne if the battery fan was running on full speed then it may be the car limiting charge, could also be the charger. At least you weren't in a Leaf...
Yes the 1000km challenge is THE TEST of an electric car's ability to tour. Any electric car will do day to day running when charged at home and driven locally, but not all will carry you a long distance in a reasonable amount of time. The Ioniq EV never ceases to amaze.
Amazing video! Good job! I have the Ioniq 28 kwh and the last year I drove Barcelona-Hannover, I made the race EcoGp in Orchersleben circuit, and return to Barcelona in only 4 days. It was around 4.500 kms
@@raptorpome2577 In Spain the best option is Electromaps, and other countries like France an Germany i'm not completly sure, but I used Electromaps and Chargemap, in France and Germany there are a lot places to recharge your EV
Thank you for a great test Mr. IONIQBjorn! I would humbly suggest that you drive on Regeneration level ZERO... the car will ride smoother, you'll feel it at the steering wheel...Try it yourself the next time you drive an Ioniq... change the Regen level from 3 to zero with the right paddle whilst driving... you'll feel as if the car has dropped a bit of weight instantly... The regen paddles truly unleash the Ioniq's efficiency, and they are one of the rare things Ioniq has and the Teslas don't... Thanks anyway for a great video!
More efficient, yes. But it doesn't matter because I cruise at speed limit + VAT already. I don't want to go even faster downhill. Unless you want to pay for the speeding tickets for me, then I'll consider 0 regen.
I agree with the above. Cruising on the highway, set regen to zero and then hit cruise control for the desired speed. Then play with the cruise +/- controls for the uphills/downhills so it doesn't "accelerate" up hills. 120-ish W/km.
that's what i do on mine, i put regen to 0, i feel the car is dragging when re gen is on, it doesn't feel natural, love regen on 0 and the smooth free wheeling of the car
12:43 going up hill is building up potential energy, for kinetic energy to increase, you have to accelerate 🤓 Thank you for this test, second hand first generation Ioniqs are really a bargain.
It was your and others reports about the Ioniq, that raised my interest in the car and after a weekend testdrive I was hooked and bought one. Now after more than a year and more than 20.000km, I know it was a right decision. I think it would be quite interesting if you would use some tracking software like EV Notify to illustrate what‘s going on in the battery. If I go 200 km in one strech without charging, the car consumes ~36kWh, someone might wonder, how this is possible with a 28kWh battery. The answer is ~13kWh energygain due to recuperation. I always wished for that when I still drove a diesel car.
Very interesting challenge video, cool to see how the Ioniq handles long trips in spite of a seemingly limited capacity. Tried one once and really liked it.
Gonna take an Ioniq for spin next weekend: it will be a 500+ km trip between my current residence and my family's place. I am totally hyped about it and I am very grateful for Master Bjorn's videos to know already more about the vehicle before actually sitting into it (I still have to rewatch the previous Ioniq roadtrip videos for homework... it has been a while since I have watched them!)
I know insideevs.com keeps track of the Banana box tests, so I could imagine that they might also track the 1000 km run times if they think there is an audience for it. If nothing else it cannot hurt if you ask them.
That's a poke in the eye at the new higher kwh Nissan Leaf. That a 4yo car with 91k on the clock can beat the Leaf by 3 HOURS... that is disgraceful Nissan #rapidgate
I think, it is even a poke in the eye of Hyundai with its new IONIQ. How can it be, that the (in my opinion) best EV (price/efficiency/size) sucks in the next generation.
Chademo is the reason, not the battery on the new 62kwh setup. They still haven't given it 100kwh charge speeds. But yes, #nissan should take this kick in the ass to heart and step their game up. CCS is the best and should be the standard.
@@13thCP It's not just the CHAdeMO. As Bjorn demonstrated in his 1,000 km drive video, the LEAF e-Plus was also throttling its charging speed to ~25 kW after multiple fast charging sessions. It's better than the 40 kWh LEAF, no doubt, but it still bogs down after just several hundred miles. Based on what I've seen, I wouldn't recommend the LEAF e-Plus to anyone who regularly has to drive more than 400 miles.
@@newscoulomb3705 haven't watched that yet, that's definitely a hindrance as I have several 250+ miles between chargers and the need for DC is essential. We've been looking into a model 3 or bolt ev or even the Volt over last weekend.
@@13thCP Where are you that you have 250+ miles between DC chargers? Truthfully, that's going to be difficult in any EV, as freeway speeds severely eat into range. If you look at EPA ratings, EVs are the opposite of fossil cars. With EVs, it's the city range that's actually farther, and the highway range is shorter (the opposite of gas cars). Ideally, you want no more than 60% to 70% of your maximum (full battery) range between fast charger stops. That allows you to stay in your fastest charging and still have a cushion when you arrive at the next charger. The only exceptions to that are short-range EVs that don't even have 200 miles of range or the Audi e-Tron and Porsche Taycan, which can charge at full power up to ~80%, but then their 80% range is still maybe equal to 60% to 70% on more efficient longer range EVs, such as the Kona Electric, Model 3, and the upcoming 2020 Bolt EV. Basically, what I'm getting at is that most of the modern EVs right now are really designed for no more than 150 to 200 miles between DC charging stops. The Model 3 LR can push a little bit farther, but really, anything more, and you'll either need to slow your driving to make it to the next charger or put up with slower charging speeds (spending an hour or more per charging stop). Regardless, if your DC fast chargers are actually 250 miles apart, a LEAF shouldn't be under consideration as anything other than a local runabout.
It’s all about the driving speed. This distance in your video I have driven many times with my 2017 Ioniq, It is for me 552km and last time in June 2018 I charge just 2 times on my way having approx. 70 km left when arriving in Løddekjøping. The trip took 8,5 hours including charging. My speed average speed was around 90-100 km/h and the car reported consumption on average of 13,3.
Just about to embark on an 1900km roadtrip from Los Angeles, California, to Vancouver, British Columbia, will let you know how it goes. 1025km the first day, 875kmthe next day. 2019 model with less than 20000km. No travelling during Covid.
Hi, Bjorn great video. I'm very pleased with my Ioniq, had it for 2 years now. I think I would agree with most things you said other than calling it cheap, less expensive might be a better description? Keep up the good work Brian
Hey mate Wish I had bought a Hyundai instead of the model 3 which I picked up today. I find that they have stoped internet to save money. I now cannot listen to the radio station that I like. They said if I don’t take car it will cost 45k shit. I ordered the car April 3 2016. I am so stupid
I found that I lost time on a long journey in my Ioniq just getting off the highway to the charger, when multiplied by the number of stops it becomes significant. Looking forward to electrify America and Canada putting HPC's right next to the highway! I can confirm the Canadian version charges at the same speed: I charged from 12% to 80% in 18minutes, with the max speed at 79% of 69 kw. That was on a ABB 350kw charger in Montreal.
Hi, I am a Canadian resident and I am looking to buy an electric car and I am very interested in buying the ioniq. Do you think its a good decision or do I have to wait for some more time until there are more fast chargers on the highway.
@@raamb737 it depends I think on Tesla, since in Europe the model 3 has CCS, so companies have a good business case to put in HPC, in the US and Canada the tesla CCS adapter is not yet available, and may never be. If they bring out an adapter then I think the Ioniq is a safe bet for some moderate long distance driving in the future (but not now) in Canada.
Batterie degradation should be insignificant @ 100,000km. I have done multiple 1,000km -ish trips and in much harder topography with my 28kW Ioniq and I never got such low charging power. I usually speed up towards the end to reach the charger with no more than 10km of reach left. In my experience it goes to 62A in less than 30 seconds at 3 to 5% SOC and then slowly rises to peak @ 67A with 77% SOC and then drops to 44A by the time it reaches 82%. That’s the point I pull the plug, or at 78% if I’m in a hurry. I usually set cc to 128kph, which is as fast as you can go without risking a ticket around here, but for longer than one charge trips I settle for 118kph, because that’s the fastest combined driving + charging speed. Unless the chargers are less than ideally spaced, in which case I usually drive faster. Charging from 5% to 80% usually takes a tad under 20min. Your charging curve looks more like what my wife gets from her 30kWh Soul at a 175kW charger (here in Switzerland the law requires charging stations on the Autobahn to support CHAdeMO, which is why more and more new 175kW tripple chargers keep popping up on motorway service stations).
Can you give us some tips how you did it? Which apps you used for finding charging stations or just relied on the Ioniq's navigation? Which charging companies you used? Thanks.
Great video, so much to take in for a prospective ev buyer. The 1000 km trial are very interesting as this is more or less the distance we travelled during one way trip and holiday driving from Liverpool to Perpignan. It cost us a fortune in a Range Rover, looking forward to saving some money and the planet.
Would you like a telescopic steering wheel? Then yes, a second hand ioniq is your best bet. The leaf has a deeper boot with hatchback (but actually less space) and handles better with the suspension and battery placement. The ioniq just handles like a hyundai, not rough, it's comfortable, just very unresponsive/light steering, torque steering is bad and you'll spin the wheels to start off with. The headspace is better in the rear for the leaf too for adults. I would still have the ioniq over the leaf for the price, features and efficiency.. Drove a 2015 base model (S) leaf, 24kw, for 7 months, no heat pump, saw it lose 1 bar of battery, needed to use the fast(ChadeMo) charger a number of times trusting it to only do 100km around LA. The GoM was terrible. Leased a 2019 ioniq, top trim back in June, have yet to plug it into a fast charger (CCS), just some level 2 charging, most trips are 100km or less so have been able to do 110v wall socket charging at destinations(friends and family). The 28kw battery is really the sweet spot for us regarding range, price and charging and is good enough with young kids. Ultimately I'd like a model 3 LR but I don't have the money. WIth the gas and maintenance savings with the ioniq maybe I'll be able to afford one? :D
Last Sunday I did a tour of 270 km on Swiss Autobahn. That means a max speed of 120 km/h. There were similar conditions like on your tour. The last kms with rain. The consumption was 130 W/km. We were 2 adults and 2 children. So I wonder why your consumption was somewhat high. I did one charging stop of 20 minutes.
Hello from Scotland Bjorn. Interesting video that only backs my belief that rapid charging is only useful with a hot battery and a low SOC. My record in my Zoe Q90 is 292 miles (470km) in 6 hrs 45 mins in heavy Friday evening traffic. Done it in 2 stops, both less than 45 mins with around 25kwh on each charge. My average speed was only 42 mph due to traffic. I could have done it quicker with better traffic and better tactically placed rapids. This far, I'm still to be convinced by rapid DC over rapid AC due to battery chemistry. If you have a 90 kWh battery then DC makes sense completely, but not for batteries like mine of 41 kwh and below. I also have a Peugeot Ion and often thought of doing a long run in it just too see how long a 250 mile journey would take....rapid charging every 40 to 45 miles 🤣
Which might not mean anything, one guy in germany compaired his Ioniq with 110.000km on the clock and it had not degraded one percent and he compaired it with an New Ioniq with only 36.000km. They where Identical. So if you take care of the battery the Ioniq should last a loong time.. Props to Hyundai Who makes Great and afordable evs
Last week my Ioniq made 4000 km from Buxtehude (near Rade and Hamburg/Germany) to Riga/Latvia and back with nightly stops in Warsaw, Kaunas, Riga and Joudkrante on the Courland Split. As a new EV driver on unknown territory I wanted to charge in a save way which allows me to always reach two fast chargers in case the first one is broken. As it turns out no charger was broken or occupied and I lost quite some time. Maybe next time I will charge more risky.
Ioniq for the win. Nice Video! But this one is something wrong with battery or BMS. I saw older and with more KM and same charging curve like new. No tapering like this one.
@@bjornnyland Not me ;-) Issues can happen everywhere. It's the real life ;-) I was glad that you, as EV King, said that the Ioniq also included the big ones and a few Tesla, e. B. Model X, can beat. Nobody believes me, but I know it too.
The battery temperature would be interesting here. Ioniq has problems with short (up to 80%) HPC charging sessions and then driving fast between charging. Strange is the first charging session. The Ioniq should have reached his maximum charging speed there. Did you fast charge the Ioniq just before you started the trip?
1000km test in the new default. I wonder if Hyundai will lend you a new Ioniq for a direct comparison? Bigger battery, but slower CCS, I think? Your early Ioniq test was my first time with uncle Bjorn.
The old IONIQ would probably beat all other EV up to 40 kWh or even more, If the charging infrastrcture would be better AS actually for example in Germany.
I have a Ioniq since 1.5 years and have the exact same experience on long trips as you Bjørn. I haven't done 1000 km in one day but I have made several trips 2000-3000 km over 3 to 5 days. I usually crouse at 100 kph and get a charging speed between 400 and 600 kph (exept in cold winter). I use the torque app on a dedicated small tablet to get all the data I want from the car during driving and during charging. I do set up my car in a different way though. I always use sports mode and regen 0, why? I use coasting extensively to get it even more efficient. I also always do 2 pedal driving, that means that I have my right foot on the accelerator and my left foot on the break. This way I can change my driving stile instantly only using my two feet (and the steering wheel).
Compliments for your channel. Lot's of fun te watch. And you prove that electric drive is really good. And if people want to change their habits of driving and learning how to drive an electric drive. Electric cars wil be the future 👍👍👍 I drive a Smart Electric drive from 2013. Bought it used a few months ago. And it has only 21,000 km on de speedometer. Oke the range is only between 100/150 km on a full load. It's more than enough for me. On 220 it takes around 6 hours to load up. And on a fast charger in an hour to 100%. And it's a lot of fun to drive an electric. It's fast no gears. And full power al the time
im so envious , sweden in an ioniq cool , like the range. trying to decide what car to buy, seems the newer leaf seems quite good range to. hard to decide , thankyou for all your great videos :)
The old ionic really is an impressive car for the price. If you get crap for calling it “cheap” (since some people take it as a derogatory term), I’d describe it as incredibly good value for money. Shame Hyundai went on to make the car worse with the larger battery pack.
Can you do Volkswagen E-Up! 2020 1000km challenge? That would be awesome with smaller battery and a city car. Could that handle long distance? Would be very interesting!!!
I'm watching your video because it's time to replace my old leaf 30, used whole charge yesterday and it's 60 miles per charge, it's quite cold here, about 7 degrees so prob dropped range by about 20 miles. I would love ioniq, bet does 120 miles in winter, what you think, is it 6.6kwh AC on top of 66kw dc
I am desperately looking for a car as efficient as this Ionic electric (of which I have one in my garage), but with an up to date battery size and charging speed - and having at least the size of the Ioniq (Model 3 and ID.3 are smaller in one way or the other). All new cars are way less efficient - including the new Ioniq 5 (or smaller). 🙁 Large batteries and high charging speed are nice, but 5 to 15 kWh more on 100km on the highway sums up over time! Everyone argues, if a fossil car consumes a liter or so more - but if it comes to electric cars, almost always just range and charging speed is discussed. This is, as if I would wrt fossil cars just argue about the volume of the gasoline tank and the speed to refill it.
@@bjornnyland "It" - your balance/self control, whatever you want to call it - I certainly would be after nearly 12 hours of driving! It was the singing that gave it away ;-)
A vehicle with the Ioniq's efficiency and 1.6 times the battery size would be sufficient for many people, both on a daily basis as well as long road trips. 28kWh x 1.6 = 45kWh, you'd get about 105kWh DC charging. Acceptable battery weight and I'm ignoring battery advancements made since 2016.
Hi Bjorn, I know this is a little off topic but didn't know how to contact you directly. We have recently taken delivery of a Hyundai Kona Electric and live on Vancouver Island in British Columbia Canada. We live in an area where there are 'All weather (M&S)' or regular snow tires are required from October until March. Just wondering what type of All Weather / Snow Tires you might recommend to replace the stock Nexxen tires that came with the vehicle? Love your videos, thank you for all the effort you put into them and making us feel like we are right there with you during your EV testing and evaluations as well as your road trip adventures. Cheers.
If you're going for the Nokian, then I recommend Kal Tire - I got my Nokian Hakkapeliita R2s for my Leaf from them five years ago, and have been happy with both the tires and Kal Tire (coming up on time to replace them soon, actually. I should get on that.). IIRC, they sell more Nokians in Canada than anyone else. Even if you're not buying from them, their website has a bunch of tire performance test ratings for different tire options (rolling resistance, braking, slush, ice, noise, hydroplane resistance, etc...) including Nokian Hakkapeliita R2 and R3 winter tires, and the Nokian WRG3 and WRG4 all weathers along with the more commonly available Michelin X-Ice XI3 winter tire and Michelin Cross climate+ all weather tires. If I read the Hyundai Canada specs correctly, the Kona Electric doesn't have a spare tire, so you may want to consider getting flat run tires if they come in your size since the Kona has a TPMS already, and using the supplied "Tire Mobility Kit" in winter might not be effective at low temps and you don't want to get stranded when it's freezing if possible. I went with that option and haven't really noticed the harder ride that some people say you get with run-flats. That said, I also minus sized to 16" wheels for better winter performance compared to the summer 17" wheels, which could account for that since usually a taller sidewall gives a more comfortable ride.
@@seabream Thank you very much for your comprehensive reply. You have supplied a lot of great information that will be of use in my search for a winter solution for this vehicle. I suspect it will greatly help others who also may be searching for a solution as well. Thank you again. Cheers.
The Average of 35kW seems to be really slow. But at the moment we don't know the cahrging curve, so maybe the Ioniq facelift is loading very fast till 50% (for example) an slowes down after that? I don't know...
Helge Kopland , if your interested in buying an Ioniq I’m selling my 2019 model for a very good price :) im picking up my model 3 next week that’s why I’m selling it.
@@KristoferOlsson In Europe seems is a limited amount of Opel Ampera-e . If I am not wrong it was never sold as Chevy in Europe. Which is nonsense for GM as they were complaining here that unsold Chevy Bolts are piling on Dealership lots
Thanks for all your videos. I chosen the ioniq 28kw. I have a question, can you tell me how much you spend during this trip? I know the price will be different in France but it's interesting to know the price to charge the ioniq with fast charger if I have to travel in the North of Europe.
Sorry for my ignorance, just wanted to check - you started the trip at 10am and already at 10:56 you're at a charging station with 40% battery left? In other words, 60% battery usage in one hour of driving? I'm really interested in one of these, but if I'll have to stop every hour on longer journeys that will quickly turn into a nightmare.
@@DerBlauzahn I've gotten used to 300km ranges that I forgot that the original Ioniq only has a 28 kWh battery and is really efficient. I'm beginning to get spoiled, which is a good thing!
@@electricguy109 with a 28kWh battery and driving at 120 kph, 150km at 80% is still very impressive! Consumption was around 180Wh, compared to up to 250Wh in the new Nissan Leaf. My point was that a 200km range when full is kinda short compared to something like a 64kWh e-Soul, but it's not! If you were to swap out the 28kWh for the Model 3's 75kWh, the Ioniq would actually get further than the Model 3! Astonishing efficiency.
I am SO glad I bought the 28kWh Ioniq. Thanks Bjorn. It was your original video, along side Robert Llewellyn's review that sold it to me. I always try to charge when it gets to 20%. I've found that gets the fastest speed. (20% to 90% in 25 minutes on a 50kW charger.)
Really smart and great advice!
Hey Bjørn at the same Weekend we made a trip with the Ioniq from Kiel (Germany) to Sandefjord (Norway) via Hirtshals (Danmark). And I can absolutely confirm your test. From Kiel to Hirtshals is about 450 KM and we took 5.5 hrs. We stopped 3x at Ionity and had an average stop of 20 min. But that included eating and toilette with 4 Persons (2 Kids). So it would be able to have shorter breaks as single person. Same tour with the same numbers back home. So yes - Ioniq is still very efficient and (important) a low-cost way of travelling. I used "eins energie" as roaming partner and they charge 5 EUR blanket for each charging at Ionity -> 30 EUR for the whole trip! :)
I realy like these 1000km tests. If you never have driven a ev this tells a lot
It is impressive that old 28 kWh Ioniq beat new 64 kWk Leaf E+ by big margin.
Yes it is, but it's logical when you think about it. A big battery only helps if you can charge it fast, otherwise, once you exhaust the initial range, charging speed is what determines how fast you will cover a long distance.
24 KWh Leaf can probably beat 62 KWh Leaf... At 55°C it was still taking in 110A till 60% SOC... So more then 40 KW... And it drops to about 25 KW at 80%...
how did it beat it? I'm not through the video yet. Shorter time stopped charging?
race to a destination - nissan ended up rapidgating and the ionic beat it to the destination by quite a margin@@onedankind8168
Last December I was deciding between the Ioniq and the Leaf. Your video of the race between them turned me to the Ioniq. I'm not disappointed with the decision. Very happy with the car.
GREAT CHOICE
Just bought a second hand ioniq EV, must say your videos helped a lot with making the choice so thanks a lot for all the work you do!
The hot battery air exits to the outside, into the right wheel arch. Take out the trunk floor, and you'll see a black plastic duct.
@@FrozenDung there's only ever warm air on say the second and subsequent rapids, so no big deal!
@Matt Byrne if the battery fan was running on full speed then it may be the car limiting charge, could also be the charger. At least you weren't in a Leaf...
Yes the 1000km challenge is THE TEST of an electric car's ability to tour. Any electric car will do day to day running when charged at home and driven locally, but not all will carry you a long distance in a reasonable amount of time.
The Ioniq EV never ceases to amaze.
Amazing video! Good job!
I have the Ioniq 28 kwh and the last year I drove Barcelona-Hannover, I made the race EcoGp in Orchersleben circuit, and return to Barcelona in only 4 days. It was around 4.500 kms
Hector Travesa what was your avg consumption during that trip?
Good stuff! How was your consumption?
I bought the Ioniq 28 kWh in December 2018. I'm enjoying it.
What charging network's did you use what RFID tag did you need I would like to buy an ionic and drive from England to Spain crazy idea I know
@@raptorpome2577 In Spain the best option is Electromaps, and other countries like France an Germany i'm not completly sure, but I used Electromaps and Chargemap, in France and Germany there are a lot places to recharge your EV
@@shockwave1xD I don't remember exacly, but was around 10 kwh/100km (my speed was 100km/h). Driving 2 h and stop/recharge 30 minutes.
2019 Nissan Leaf 62kWh 15.5 hours 64.5 km/hour
2016 Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh 12.25 hours 81.6 km/hour
2013 Tesla Model S P85 10.92 hours 91.6 km/hour
2019 Tesla Model 3 Performance 10.15 hours 98.5 km/hour
Thank you for a great test Mr. IONIQBjorn! I would humbly suggest that you drive on Regeneration level ZERO... the car will ride smoother, you'll feel it at the steering wheel...Try it yourself the next time you drive an Ioniq... change the Regen level from 3 to zero with the right paddle whilst driving... you'll feel as if the car has dropped a bit of weight instantly... The regen paddles truly unleash the Ioniq's efficiency, and they are one of the rare things Ioniq has and the Teslas don't... Thanks anyway for a great video!
More efficient, yes. But it doesn't matter because I cruise at speed limit + VAT already. I don't want to go even faster downhill. Unless you want to pay for the speeding tickets for me, then I'll consider 0 regen.
I agree with the above. Cruising on the highway, set regen to zero and then hit cruise control for the desired speed. Then play with the cruise +/- controls for the uphills/downhills so it doesn't "accelerate" up hills. 120-ish W/km.
Coasting is the Ioniqs super power 🤘
@@bjornnyland You could of put the speed limiter on, downhill it will regen at "set speed", even on setting zero regen . Great Video.
that's what i do on mine, i put regen to 0, i feel the car is dragging when re gen is on, it doesn't feel natural, love regen on 0 and the smooth free wheeling of the car
12:43 going up hill is building up potential energy, for kinetic energy to increase, you have to accelerate 🤓
Thank you for this test, second hand first generation Ioniqs are really a bargain.
Bjorn quit so long that he sold all his engineering knowledge to his students long time ago.
It was your and others reports about the Ioniq, that raised my interest in the car and after a weekend testdrive I was hooked and bought one. Now after more than a year and more than 20.000km, I know it was a right decision. I think it would be quite interesting if you would use some tracking software like EV Notify to illustrate what‘s going on in the battery. If I go 200 km in one strech without charging, the car consumes ~36kWh, someone might wonder, how this is possible with a 28kWh battery. The answer is ~13kWh energygain due to recuperation. I always wished for that when I still drove a diesel car.
Very interesting challenge video, cool to see how the Ioniq handles long trips in spite of a seemingly limited capacity. Tried one once and really liked it.
Gonna take an Ioniq for spin next weekend: it will be a 500+ km trip between my current residence and my family's place. I am totally hyped about it and I am very grateful for Master Bjorn's videos to know already more about the vehicle before actually sitting into it (I still have to rewatch the previous Ioniq roadtrip videos for homework... it has been a while since I have watched them!)
Greetings from Finland! I love 1000km challenges😃
Any chance you could post a list of 1000km results with each new video? Or is there a website somewhere with them all listed?
Yes, it would be awesome to have a database of some sort with all test results, even noise tests and such. :)
I know insideevs.com keeps track of the Banana box tests, so I could imagine that they might also track the 1000 km run times if they think there is an audience for it. If nothing else it cannot hurt if you ask them.
Tesla Model 3 Performance: 10:09
Tesla Model S P85: 10:55
Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh: 12:15
Nissan Leaf 62kWh: 15:30
@@chylld Those numbers are how many hours and minutes it took to complete the challenge, right?
@@chylld the Taycan will be very interesting!
That's a poke in the eye at the new higher kwh Nissan Leaf. That a 4yo car with 91k on the clock can beat the Leaf by 3 HOURS... that is disgraceful Nissan #rapidgate
I think, it is even a poke in the eye of Hyundai with its new IONIQ. How can it be, that the (in my opinion) best EV (price/efficiency/size) sucks in the next generation.
Chademo is the reason, not the battery on the new 62kwh setup. They still haven't given it 100kwh charge speeds. But yes, #nissan should take this kick in the ass to heart and step their game up. CCS is the best and should be the standard.
@@13thCP It's not just the CHAdeMO. As Bjorn demonstrated in his 1,000 km drive video, the LEAF e-Plus was also throttling its charging speed to ~25 kW after multiple fast charging sessions. It's better than the 40 kWh LEAF, no doubt, but it still bogs down after just several hundred miles. Based on what I've seen, I wouldn't recommend the LEAF e-Plus to anyone who regularly has to drive more than 400 miles.
@@newscoulomb3705 haven't watched that yet, that's definitely a hindrance as I have several 250+ miles between chargers and the need for DC is essential. We've been looking into a model 3 or bolt ev or even the Volt over last weekend.
@@13thCP Where are you that you have 250+ miles between DC chargers? Truthfully, that's going to be difficult in any EV, as freeway speeds severely eat into range. If you look at EPA ratings, EVs are the opposite of fossil cars. With EVs, it's the city range that's actually farther, and the highway range is shorter (the opposite of gas cars).
Ideally, you want no more than 60% to 70% of your maximum (full battery) range between fast charger stops. That allows you to stay in your fastest charging and still have a cushion when you arrive at the next charger. The only exceptions to that are short-range EVs that don't even have 200 miles of range or the Audi e-Tron and Porsche Taycan, which can charge at full power up to ~80%, but then their 80% range is still maybe equal to 60% to 70% on more efficient longer range EVs, such as the Kona Electric, Model 3, and the upcoming 2020 Bolt EV.
Basically, what I'm getting at is that most of the modern EVs right now are really designed for no more than 150 to 200 miles between DC charging stops. The Model 3 LR can push a little bit farther, but really, anything more, and you'll either need to slow your driving to make it to the next charger or put up with slower charging speeds (spending an hour or more per charging stop).
Regardless, if your DC fast chargers are actually 250 miles apart, a LEAF shouldn't be under consideration as anything other than a local runabout.
It’s all about the driving speed. This distance in your video I have driven many times with my 2017 Ioniq, It is for me 552km and last time in June 2018 I charge just 2 times on my way having approx. 70 km left when arriving in Løddekjøping. The trip took 8,5 hours including charging. My speed average speed was around 90-100 km/h and the car reported consumption on average of 13,3.
@@martian9999 Correct
Just about to embark on an 1900km roadtrip from Los Angeles, California, to Vancouver, British Columbia, will let you know how it goes. 1025km the first day, 875kmthe next day. 2019 model with less than 20000km. No travelling during Covid.
Hi, Bjorn great video. I'm very pleased with my Ioniq, had it for 2 years now. I think I would agree with most things you said other than calling it cheap, less expensive might be a better description? Keep up the good work
Brian
Hey mate
Wish I had bought a Hyundai instead of the model 3 which I picked up today.
I find that they have stoped internet to save money.
I now cannot listen to the radio station that I like.
They said if I don’t take car it will cost 45k shit.
I ordered the car April 3 2016.
I am so stupid
I found that I lost time on a long journey in my Ioniq just getting off the highway to the charger, when multiplied by the number of stops it becomes significant. Looking forward to electrify America and Canada putting HPC's right next to the highway! I can confirm the Canadian version charges at the same speed: I charged from 12% to 80% in 18minutes, with the max speed at 79% of 69 kw. That was on a ABB 350kw charger in Montreal.
Hi, I am a Canadian resident and I am looking to buy an electric car and I am very interested in buying the ioniq. Do you think its a good decision or do I have to wait for some more time until there are more fast chargers on the highway.
@@raamb737 it depends I think on Tesla, since in Europe the model 3 has CCS, so companies have a good business case to put in HPC, in the US and Canada the tesla CCS adapter is not yet available, and may never be. If they bring out an adapter then I think the Ioniq is a safe bet for some moderate long distance driving in the future (but not now) in Canada.
Still love my ioniq, its amazing to think its still ahead in effecincy after 3yrs nearly. Epic EV
I love my Ioniq. Such a great car.
A difference in elevation is potential energy. A deference in velocity is kinetic energy.
Batterie degradation should be insignificant @ 100,000km. I have done multiple 1,000km -ish trips and in much harder topography with my 28kW Ioniq and I never got such low charging power. I usually speed up towards the end to reach the charger with no more than 10km of reach left. In my experience it goes to 62A in less than 30 seconds at 3 to 5% SOC and then slowly rises to peak @ 67A with 77% SOC and then drops to 44A by the time it reaches 82%. That’s the point I pull the plug, or at 78% if I’m in a hurry. I usually set cc to 128kph, which is as fast as you can go without risking a ticket around here, but for longer than one charge trips I settle for 118kph, because that’s the fastest combined driving + charging speed. Unless the chargers are less than ideally spaced, in which case I usually drive faster. Charging from 5% to 80% usually takes a tad under 20min. Your charging curve looks more like what my wife gets from her 30kWh Soul at a 175kW charger (here in Switzerland the law requires charging stations on the Autobahn to support CHAdeMO, which is why more and more new 175kW tripple chargers keep popping up on motorway service stations).
118 GPS or speedometer?
Piece of cake, I did the same with a 28Kw Ioniq as well, from Amsterdam up to Oslo. Not a single issue if you plan it well.
Can you give us some tips how you did it? Which apps you used for finding charging stations or just relied on the Ioniq's navigation? Which charging companies you used? Thanks.
@@eugenevelo7090 I used abetterrouteplanner.com, various charging cards (but used maingau the most) and some commonsense.
Thank you you are fun to watch and cool for showing EV in action
33:12 - take that Leaf 64kWh - lol
Those Korean EVs have been very impressive as a distant second place from always on top Tesla. They have been a great EV choice for a long while.
Great video, so much to take in for a prospective ev buyer. The 1000 km trial are very interesting as this is more or less the distance we travelled during one way trip and holiday driving from Liverpool to Perpignan. It cost us a fortune in a Range Rover, looking forward to saving some money and the planet.
So rather than buy a 2019 Nissan Leaf E+, get a 2016 Ionic.
Would you like a telescopic steering wheel? Then yes, a second hand ioniq is your best bet. The leaf has a deeper boot with hatchback (but actually less space) and handles better with the suspension and battery placement. The ioniq just handles like a hyundai, not rough, it's comfortable, just very unresponsive/light steering, torque steering is bad and you'll spin the wheels to start off with. The headspace is better in the rear for the leaf too for adults. I would still have the ioniq over the leaf for the price, features and efficiency..
Drove a 2015 base model (S) leaf, 24kw, for 7 months, no heat pump, saw it lose 1 bar of battery, needed to use the fast(ChadeMo) charger a number of times trusting it to only do 100km around LA. The GoM was terrible. Leased a 2019 ioniq, top trim back in June, have yet to plug it into a fast charger (CCS), just some level 2 charging, most trips are 100km or less so have been able to do 110v wall socket charging at destinations(friends and family). The 28kw battery is really the sweet spot for us regarding range, price and charging and is good enough with young kids.
Ultimately I'd like a model 3 LR but I don't have the money. WIth the gas and maintenance savings with the ioniq maybe I'll be able to afford one? :D
impressive efficiency
Last Sunday I did a tour of 270 km on Swiss Autobahn. That means a max speed of 120 km/h. There were similar conditions like on your tour. The last kms with rain. The consumption was 130 W/km. We were 2 adults and 2 children. So I wonder why your consumption was somewhat high. I did one charging stop of 20 minutes.
I am really impressed with Hyundai. They have Kona and Ioniq and they are both good cars. Thanks Bjorn for the video again!!👌👍
Hello from Scotland Bjorn. Interesting video that only backs my belief that rapid charging is only useful with a hot battery and a low SOC. My record in my Zoe Q90 is 292 miles (470km) in 6 hrs 45 mins in heavy Friday evening traffic. Done it in 2 stops, both less than 45 mins with around 25kwh on each charge. My average speed was only 42 mph due to traffic. I could have done it quicker with better traffic and better tactically placed rapids. This far, I'm still to be convinced by rapid DC over rapid AC due to battery chemistry. If you have a 90 kWh battery then DC makes sense completely, but not for batteries like mine of 41 kwh and below.
I also have a Peugeot Ion and often thought of doing a long run in it just too see how long a 250 mile journey would take....rapid charging every 40 to 45 miles 🤣
need to mention that this ioniq had 92000km on odometer
Which might not mean anything, one guy in germany compaired his Ioniq with 110.000km on the clock and it had not degraded one percent and he compaired it with an New Ioniq with only 36.000km. They where Identical. So if you take care of the battery the Ioniq should last a loong time.. Props to Hyundai Who makes Great and afordable evs
Thanks for the video! I wonder how it affects battery capacity? I mean isn’t it bad to fast-charge the battery so many times In a row during one trip?
Could be interesting to compare the efficiency in a 1.000 km run between the different cars you test, not only time. :)
heat from the battery is not left inside the car it exits above the right rear wheel!
Last week my Ioniq made 4000 km from Buxtehude (near Rade and Hamburg/Germany) to Riga/Latvia and back with nightly stops in Warsaw, Kaunas, Riga and Joudkrante on the Courland Split. As a new EV driver on unknown territory I wanted to charge in a save way which allows me to always reach two fast chargers in case the first one is broken. As it turns out no charger was broken or occupied and I lost quite some time. Maybe next time I will charge more risky.
Ioniq for the win. Nice Video! But this one is something wrong with battery or BMS. I saw older and with more KM and same charging curve like new. No tapering like this one.
Too bad that the Ioniqs aren't consistent. I remember lots of people were complaining when the EQC had a battery issue.
@@bjornnyland Not me ;-) Issues can happen everywhere. It's the real life ;-) I was glad that you, as EV King, said that the Ioniq also included the big ones and a few Tesla, e. B. Model X, can beat. Nobody believes me, but I know it too.
The battery temperature would be interesting here. Ioniq has problems with short (up to 80%) HPC charging sessions and then driving fast between charging. Strange is the first charging session. The Ioniq should have reached his maximum charging speed there. Did you fast charge the Ioniq just before you started the trip?
That looks great road trip , would love a trip to Norway, Denmark and Sweden , maybe one day I'll have an electric car better than my leaf 30
Funny this was recommended to me today after such a long challenge yesterday with the Honda E.
1000km test in the new default. I wonder if Hyundai will lend you a new Ioniq for a direct comparison? Bigger battery, but slower CCS, I think? Your early Ioniq test was my first time with uncle Bjorn.
I was kinda missing your vids, then it pops up in my UA-cam recs.👍
The old IONIQ would probably beat all other EV up to 40 kWh or even more, If the charging infrastrcture would be better AS actually for example in Germany.
I have a Ioniq since 1.5 years and have the exact same experience on long trips as you Bjørn.
I haven't done 1000 km in one day but I have made several trips 2000-3000 km over 3 to 5 days.
I usually crouse at 100 kph and get a charging speed between 400 and 600 kph (exept in cold winter).
I use the torque app on a dedicated small tablet to get all the data I want from the car during driving and during charging.
I do set up my car in a different way though. I always use sports mode and regen 0, why?
I use coasting extensively to get it even more efficient. I also always do 2 pedal driving, that means that I have my right foot on the accelerator and my left foot on the break. This way I can change my driving stile instantly only using my two feet (and the steering wheel).
Is there any more info of exactly how this is done? I mean to be more efficient?
Time to look at used Ioniq :D
+Überheld www.finn.no
Ioniq is a really good car. I would buy it if I didn't need a towbar. So I bought model 3 instead. I just wish it had heat pump
I’m about to smash out 650km each way trip in my 2019 28 classic. Just put 2 new tires on the front, ioniq is underrated af
Compliments for your channel. Lot's of fun te watch. And you prove that electric drive is really good. And if people want to change their habits of driving and learning how to drive an electric drive. Electric cars wil be the future 👍👍👍
I drive a Smart Electric drive from 2013. Bought it used a few months ago. And it has only 21,000 km on de speedometer. Oke the range is only between 100/150 km on a full load. It's more than enough for me. On 220 it takes around 6 hours to load up. And on a fast charger in an hour to 100%. And it's a lot of fun to drive an electric. It's fast no gears. And full power al the time
Too bad you didn't put an ODBII dongle and used Soul EV Spy to show charging speed and battery temps. Soul EV Spy also works with Ioniq =)
Thanks for info will try it today.
I'm using EV Notify for charging speeds etc.
Does this app show more info than evnotify'? from screenshots i think its look messy compared to clean gui on evnotify
im so envious , sweden in an ioniq cool , like the range. trying to decide what car to buy, seems the newer leaf seems quite good range to. hard to decide , thankyou for all your great videos :)
Another great and informative review. Thanks.
The old ionic really is an impressive car for the price. If you get crap for calling it “cheap” (since some people take it as a derogatory term), I’d describe it as incredibly good value for money.
Shame Hyundai went on to make the car worse with the larger battery pack.
Your singing skills are nice
Made me sad looking at pancake and bacon then said I don’t have time for this.
Best bug cleaner is the blue Windex, its awesome. Awesome for windshield too.
Potencial energy. Kinetic is speed...
... a great video again..... !!!! Thanks
Nice to see a quick charger of portuguese brand (EFACEC) at 25:07 :)
Even my 2013 prius have the same battery cooling
Can you do Volkswagen E-Up! 2020 1000km challenge? That would be awesome with smaller battery and a city car. Could that handle long distance? Would be very interesting!!!
I love your videos and style.
I'm watching your video because it's time to replace my old leaf 30, used whole charge yesterday and it's 60 miles per charge, it's quite cold here, about 7 degrees so prob dropped range by about 20 miles. I would love ioniq, bet does 120 miles in winter, what you think, is it 6.6kwh AC on top of 66kw dc
Can you make 1000km again, now in winter weather? Summer result is very good, but what will be in winter?
It’s good to know, what is the difference.
I am desperately looking for a car as efficient as this Ionic electric (of which I have one in my garage), but with an up to date battery size and charging speed - and having at least the size of the Ioniq (Model 3 and ID.3 are smaller in one way or the other). All new cars are way less efficient - including the new Ioniq 5 (or smaller). 🙁
Large batteries and high charging speed are nice, but 5 to 15 kWh more on 100km on the highway sums up over time! Everyone argues, if a fossil car consumes a liter or so more - but if it comes to electric cars, almost always just range and charging speed is discussed. This is, as if I would wrt fossil cars just argue about the volume of the gasoline tank and the speed to refill it.
4:36, in 5 minutes +28% charging. :O
Please do a 1000km with SR+
Great, I would love to see the same with an i3 42kwh
Cheers, Bjorn. Sounded like you were losing it a bit towards the end! 😀
Losing what?
@@bjornnyland "It" - your balance/self control, whatever you want to call it - I certainly would be after nearly 12 hours of driving! It was the singing that gave it away ;-)
Justin MacNeil - that’s just Bjorn being Bjorn - he has a lot of drive in him!
@@dennislyon5412 Very true!
A vehicle with the Ioniq's efficiency and 1.6 times the battery size would be sufficient for many people, both on a daily basis as well as long road trips. 28kWh x 1.6 = 45kWh, you'd get about 105kWh DC charging. Acceptable battery weight and I'm ignoring battery advancements made since 2016.
What I've learned from this video is that long drives make people crazy.
I will be going on a holiday to Germany and some other country's soon and it will be interesting to see how other country's are.
Was very interesting.
does the fast charge degrade the battery in this model ?
Awesome vid!
I posted it 30 seconds ago.
Bjørn Nyland , Will there be vids from the trip to Frankfurt? Live stream?
25:18 yayy Liseberg
Are you going to try 1000 km challenge with the e-tron 55 and a X Long range? Would love to see a table comparing cars at the end.
+eirik500 Sure
When a freaking car charges up faster than my phone 😂
Bjorn have you a comparison between BMWi3s and newer EV to show efficiently with heater designs?
Bjorn, you were quite impressed with the new Soul EV if I remember correctly. I wonder how it would compare with the Ioniq.
You're not wrong about sucking at The Final Countdown. But good video nonetheless!
Hi Bjorn, I know this is a little off topic but didn't know how to contact you directly. We have recently taken delivery of a Hyundai Kona Electric and live on Vancouver Island in British Columbia Canada. We live in an area where there are 'All weather (M&S)' or regular snow tires are required from October until March. Just wondering what type of All Weather / Snow Tires you might recommend to replace the stock Nexxen tires that came with the vehicle? Love your videos, thank you for all the effort you put into them and making us feel like we are right there with you during your EV testing and evaluations as well as your road trip adventures. Cheers.
+Bert Harrison Nokian or Nereus
If you're going for the Nokian, then I recommend Kal Tire - I got my Nokian Hakkapeliita R2s for my Leaf from them five years ago, and have been happy with both the tires and Kal Tire (coming up on time to replace them soon, actually. I should get on that.). IIRC, they sell more Nokians in Canada than anyone else. Even if you're not buying from them, their website has a bunch of tire performance test ratings for different tire options (rolling resistance, braking, slush, ice, noise, hydroplane resistance, etc...) including Nokian Hakkapeliita R2 and R3 winter tires, and the Nokian WRG3 and WRG4 all weathers along with the more commonly available Michelin X-Ice XI3 winter tire and Michelin Cross climate+ all weather tires. If I read the Hyundai Canada specs correctly, the Kona Electric doesn't have a spare tire, so you may want to consider getting flat run tires if they come in your size since the Kona has a TPMS already, and using the supplied "Tire Mobility Kit" in winter might not be effective at low temps and you don't want to get stranded when it's freezing if possible. I went with that option and haven't really noticed the harder ride that some people say you get with run-flats. That said, I also minus sized to 16" wheels for better winter performance compared to the summer 17" wheels, which could account for that since usually a taller sidewall gives a more comfortable ride.
@@seabream Thank you very much for your comprehensive reply. You have supplied a lot of great information that will be of use in my search for a winter solution for this vehicle. I suspect it will greatly help others who also may be searching for a solution as well. Thank you again. Cheers.
The 38 kwh ioniq suposily charge at 100kw
yes. I can charge at 100 kW charger. But only avg. 35 kW. But only in warm weather. In cold weather, you need some thick books...
The Average of 35kW seems to be really slow. But at the moment we don't know the cahrging curve, so maybe the Ioniq facelift is loading very fast till 50% (for example) an slowes down after that? I don't know...
@@ralfkramer6297 Peak until 50% = 45 kW
What is the most common chargers in Norway and Sweden? I have to finish road trip from Oslo to Trelleborg in a few days. What app should I use? Thanks
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Helge Kopland , if your interested in buying an Ioniq I’m selling my 2019 model for a very good price :) im picking up my model 3 next week that’s why I’m selling it.
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How about 1000km challenge in Opel Ampera-e (Chevy Bolt)? Have you considered it?
Maybe. But that car won't generate much clicks.
@@bjornnyland can you buy a new Chevy Bolt anywere in Europe now?
@@bjornnyland Really! Here in USA it would since its still the only 200+ miles EV (except Model 3) that is sold in all states.
@@KristoferOlsson In Europe seems is a limited amount of Opel Ampera-e . If I am not wrong it was never sold as Chevy in Europe. Which is nonsense for GM as they were complaining here that unsold Chevy Bolts are piling on Dealership lots
Like this challenge. Thank you. Make a chart like the banana box chart, but whit your 1000km time. I'nerd, I like chart.
Hey Bjorn, why do the speedometers in these cars always underestimate GPS speed by 1%-3%?
Thanks for all your videos. I chosen the ioniq 28kw. I have a question, can you tell me how much you spend during this trip? I know the price will be different in France but it's interesting to know the price to charge the ioniq with fast charger if I have to travel in the North of Europe.
Between 6-9 euros for each charging session I think. It cost more to charge today.
Sorry for my ignorance, just wanted to check - you started the trip at 10am and already at 10:56 you're at a charging station with 40% battery left?
In other words, 60% battery usage in one hour of driving?
I'm really interested in one of these, but if I'll have to stop every hour on longer journeys that will quickly turn into a nightmare.
i would appreciate info about battery temp during test :)
Please do the 1.000 km Test with i3
Only 150km range after topping up to 80%? I'm a bit surprised.
80%=22.4 kWh=14.9 kWh per 100 km. Why surprised?
@@DerBlauzahn I've gotten used to 300km ranges that I forgot that the original Ioniq only has a 28 kWh battery and is really efficient. I'm beginning to get spoiled, which is a good thing!
It's normal... with the speed he was driving, consumption went higher and the GOM adapted itself.
@@electricguy109 with a 28kWh battery and driving at 120 kph, 150km at 80% is still very impressive! Consumption was around 180Wh, compared to up to 250Wh in the new Nissan Leaf. My point was that a 200km range when full is kinda short compared to something like a 64kWh e-Soul, but it's not! If you were to swap out the 28kWh for the Model 3's 75kWh, the Ioniq would actually get further than the Model 3! Astonishing efficiency.
TheSpector I doubt the Ioniq would be better... at 28kWh, it's a perfect balance between weight and range. More weight = less efficiency.
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If maintain 95 to 100kmh u can skip many charges because almost 200km range per charge
But you will arrive later.