I'm hoping banks gets their hands on one of these for a teardown soon like they did with the l5p duramax engine. It'll be interesting to see what's different inside
I’d love to have that!! I had an 05 manual 4WD 5.9 for 8 years. Did the dumbest thing ever in 2013 selling it. Would love to have it back. This new crap sucks.
@PremiumFuelOnly once a guy knows what a 2nd gen style manifold swap can do....then you see YT guys messing around with pilot injection being tuned out. Shows there's audible hope haha
Well if the CP4 was robust and passed the test then why did it get recalled back in 2020 and then went back to the CP3?? Guess we'll see how this CP8 turns out, would've been nice to actually see the difference internally of the CP8 though.
I think its funny they call it a cp8 when really the "internally designed update" is very likely directly the result of Ford working with Bosch to redesign the pump itself, The roller is larger now, that I know, and the body is now nicasil plated, the piston is a higher grade of heat treated part, the circulation path separates the feed for the body of the pump and the work side of the pump.
I didn't add how Cummins engines have cam and lifter failure... on top of main bearing failures especially among those who use their trucks for hotshot work... Anyone seen all the frame failures? They exceed what we see from ford and gm... And we all know any brand associated with the Stalantis brand is the absolute worst on the planet for reliability at the moment. I once had high hopes for anything that was awesome enough to put a Cummins engine in a pick up truck... that hope is long gone.
2:05 it's flashable over the air so we can slowly derate your engine to force you to buy a new one in the future. We can also force new emissions tunes on you without your permission so when the EPA tells us to jump we can ask "How high?" But hey at least you guys finally figured out CGA blocks suck on an engine that wasn't originally designed for them and fixed your bearing fretting problem. Only took six model years.
Well my 2018 is my last truck, I despise the oil filter placement but the rest I can live with, changing the fuel filters isn't that big a deal. Notice how careful that guy was about the CP4, that pump is garbage and they know it. CP8, oh great another experiment by Bosch. I'm not paying a 100K for a damn truck.
@zackeryeckenrod6549 Actually, i own a 06 ram 3500 and a 23 gmc sierra 3500. I'll never buy another Ford. Been a diesel mechanic/shop owner for 26 years now. Stelantis is killing ram.
To the RAM Engineers: The previous 2nd/3rd/4th Gen Cummins trucks was easy to get to the oil filter from underneath, I could put a ziplock or trash bag on the filter while on my back, unscrew the filter, and drop it without spilling any oil. But for some ridiculous reason you had to redesign the engine crossmember and completely obscure the filter, making it almost required to pull the air intake tube and or remove a fender liner to get to it. And you OBVIOUSLY knew it was going to be a mess because you so kindly incorporated a plastic funnel that redirects the spilled oil from the filter directly onto the track bar and draglink. 2 thumbs up! And you've also managed to squeeze so much crap into a previously open engine bay, its now impossible to get a engine-mount fuel filter into the cannister without weaving it through hoses, the intake, and still have the master cylinder encroaching. Now its guaranteed people will bump their clean new filter onto some dirty component inside the engine bay. Can't wait to see the obscene gymnastics required to install TWO of these filters without contaminating them, especially the back one under the firewall cowl. The previous gens had an outside top-cap for the filter housings, they prevented dirt from dropping into the cannister when opened. I see your new design is the the inside top cap like the current trucks, which allows dirt to get into the cannister. These recent designs weren't thought through at all. Did you guys figure out how to weld on front shock mounts to the axle, yet? Have you updated the track bar frame mount yet? The 2014+ trucks were a joke, little pieces of sheetmetal that flexed and eventually broke. Glad you guys finally made a tiny 3 pound cast steel bracket. Pop over to the Fords, you'll observe their track bar brackets are 20 pounds of cast steel since 1999 because they understood how critical a track bar was to steering. Other than all that, good lookin' trucks, I'll probably buy a 2026 3500 when I hand my 2021 3500 down to my son.
How many times did he say “emissions”? Probably has PTSD from getting whacked by the gov’t and why I will likely never buy a diesel again. They’ve ruined the engine.
No mention about the hydraulic lifters which is an issue on previous years, an aluminum head , disaster waiting to happen, we’re going to see that very soon on hotshot boys towing 30k lbs at west
I never trusted a dealership to do the oil changes, I always did it myself, but the oil filter was my biggest headache. Love the top filter, to include the fuel filters up top.
Great video as always, Tim!, but if they didn't fix the junkie 2020 and newer CGI engine Blocks. Than what's all that other stuff on the outside matter.
@4bearsi678 where did you see that info.? I haven't been able to find any info.? I even tried putting in the ESN shown of the engine into quickserve and it doesn't recognize that serial # yet
@@shaynestates199 2025. The 19-24' MY engines used a compacted graphite iron block that has been proven to be weaker less desirable than the previous cast iron block found in 07.5-18' MY 6.7L engines
Not a big fan of top loading oil filters. It appears to be like the pentastar 3.6 engine where the oil filter is empty on every start up causing delays in oil pressure.
Almost all wear has to do with the operating temperature and oil condition. Everything will have plenty of oil to idle while the filters fill for that 3-4 seconds. It's not like all the surfaces lose their oil film between start ups. Maybe if it sat for 20 years.
I put the Baxter oil filter adapter on my pentastar and it’s quiet on start up now so I’m guessing this is going to be a issue on these trucks and someone will mak an adapter for these to .
No that's not an issue at all the problem is that over the air ecu. They may be able to tell over the air if you've deleted. Not sure but definitely worrying
@@agger838 no they wouldn't require internet connection but if you tune the ecu they could possibly see it if they can connect over the air. Not to mention if they do an update without asking they could put everything back to factory settings. I'm not expert, could be wrong but seems like possibilities
@agger838 no they were swapping I think 21 and later for 20 and earlier ecus because no one could crack the 21 and later ecu. No one will be able to crack this one for a while too but even when they do it might be a fight to delete with stock ecu
They have their own set of issues. Broken cranks or front gear dowel pin sheeting. Wish Mercedes made a pick up. Easy to work on and get better mileages
@@4bearsi678, the Ram HD line is still on 4th Gen due to using cab codes to differentiate between generations. These are nothing more than a refreshed 4th Gen, again.
@ I do keep up with all the talking heads just to see what the latest information is🤣. However on a true concern level I’ve done all my own maintenance for the last 35 years. With the exception of the freebies, the dealership gives you when new. 1 GMC 2 Fords and two Rams. Most current is my 2014 Ram 6.7. Always been a stock OE guy “ Just leave shit alone and it seems to run fine“ no mods including running OE filters. The 6.7 oil pan indents up ⬆️ plus the height of the drain plug collar on the inside of the pan trapping at least a half a quart of old oil. This has always bugged. Probably doesn’t hurt anything but just seems wrong.
Classic Cummins sound put the turbo back where it belongs in the 2nd gen location and man all the fuel filter and oil filter stuff sure hope fleece comes out with stiff for this motor real soon
This should have been broken down into (1) performance/reliability upgrades (2) emission changes. I don’t see any changes that enhance reliability. I will stick with my Ram Laramie 3500 manual 6spd.
Nope. People complained about that. Just look at the comments. People complain about everything. Bigger cab, quieter engine, easier maintenance. Truck won’t be trucks in the future at this rate.
So ram can delete your custom tune anytime they want also why is does this guy keep talking about emissions as a selling point I don’t care how clean it runs I care how reliable it is
Some improvements, glad they got rid of the engine killer grid heater system. Still too much useless emissions components. I like the new filter systems.
@@1hasbeen531 That's weird because I've never once seen a glowplug fall into an engine and kill it and I've owned diesels from the 80s with original glowplugs still in them. I do however know of and have seen lots of Cummins that have died to grid heater bolts getting sucked into the intake. Reliable my ass.
@@jellyfrosh9102 I doubt anyone has seen "lots" of grid heater bolt failures. Maybe in Banks infomercials, but there's millions of these engines out there with no bolt 'problem"
I keep hearing "more power". High fuel pressure is good for power. Cast aluminum intake is good for more power. But its the same torque and 10 more hp than before
What concerns me is all 3 filters are upside down so every start up it needs to refill so it will be starved for oil for a few seconds every time, that’s what messed up the Toyota rav-4 back in the day. The upside down oil filters
Any info about the lifter??? Are you using the oven technology for the EGR system or still the garbage the EPA wants everyone to use since they have no clue..
Nice job cummins! It will be interesting to see what kind of bugs gets worked out. Also, I wish you would've used the S.O.A or Speed of Air pistons! I think all the manufacturers should actually!
I heard more power more power… 10 hp? Maybe more usable power? I hope those 2 fuel filters are easy to get to. Il wait for PD diesel to get one of these to 100k then order if its trouble free
If the OEMs would chill with the horsepower and torque wars, we'd probably see a marked improvement in reliability, even with the stupid modern emissions requirements. Understressed is always better.
Lifters, lifters, lifters…. Why the hydraulic lifters? Mine failed at 47k miles, only ever used 10w30, only ever did synthetic, 5k-7k oil change intervals
@@Pickuptrucktalk you forgot? Why not put him on the spot and ask. These reliability things costs consumers tens of thousands of dollars. I don’t need helical cut gears for the oil pump, I want reliability #1
@ I hear you and others. I made sure to ask about the fuel pumps since I had just talked with others about that. Nobody brought up lifters. When I see this guy again in a few months, trust me, lifters will be at the TOP of my list.
Granted I know they have been having issues with the grid heater lately. I still don't like that they switched to glow plugs. I mean, banks accidentally came up with a fix for it.
I didn't hear him say that if the pump fails the fuel system won't get full of metal shards and wipe your injectors out I sure hope that was the upgrade it's pretty sad if they didn't Especially considering you can go out and buy bypass kits to avoid this disaster if the pump starts to fail.
Dont like the sound of over the air updates. But this does look like a good straight 6... Unlike some released recently. Did they say anything about the 6.7 octane Tim?
@ Ford & GM have had OTA updates on their trucks for years. There are new requirements for "increased security" in ECM/PCM's when EPA '27 goes in effect.
Thank the epa and carb for driving prices up. Increased cost associated with engineering and the new warranty policies forced by the epa means the cost will be passed to the consumer. Us.
I get you can't trash RAM to their face but to say there was some controversy with the CP4 is like pissing on a man's foot and saying that they had a spill.
Let the Hot Shot and Camper Transport guys decide if they are improved. Then, only then will the truth set their struggling dealerships and over packed lots free!
I have an idea, make it last more than 100k without having a failure again. That’s the Cummins I want to own. Glow plugs and an all new CP4 aren’t getting me excited. Use a commercial grade Cummins again, quit chasing Ford’s power numbers and make it bulletproof.
Does the fuel pump killer test involve running straight gasoline through the system without destroying the pump? If so that’s good but potentially terrible for the rest of the motor
I remember the good old days when diesels didn't have an EGR system. I'm doing just fine with all my pre-EGR diesels and this new junk isn't on my list. Keep it. I'm actually not angry with the manufacturers. I'm angry with the EPA and the rest of the bureaucratic idiots who are willingly killing industry.
Wow, there is a lot of hate - love here for Cummins / RAM. Many would buy it again despite a litany of issues and complaints. Never needed a diesel truck so perhaps I missed something.
Catalyst next to turbo will kill it fast, glow plugs are crap, aluminum intake will crack.. I just don’t see the longevity in these motors … glow plugs hell after my 6.7 dies it’ll be my last Cummins but I love my 19 but next will be a duramax
I've got a 17 cummins and a 23 Duramax. It has a DOC on the back of the turbo, glow plugs and an aluminum intake lol. Honestly wished for another cummins truck but the 5th gens are mostly crap from the start so duramax it was. At only 56k miles it's been in the shop for a month waiting for exhaust manifolds and up pipes. All are on back order with GM and nearly impossible to get. Seems it's a shit sandwich any which way anymore.
Glow plugs have been on diesel engines for eons because they WORK! That’s stupid point #1! Aluminum intakes and even plastic intakes have been on vehicles for eons with no issue! That was dumb point #2! And the duramax has all the above which makes all your points stupid!
You mean to tell me you had the chief engineer in front you and you never bothered to ask anything about the most popular topic on that engine, the biggest failure of the hydraulic lifters??? And you never mentioned it???? Omg!!!! Hottest topic in the entire Cummins world. Lifters lifters lifters!!!!! Com-on-man!!!
Over the air ECU updates, no thanks. Sounds like this won’t be able to be tuned at all now. Even though I’m not interested in a 3/4 to diesel, this will trickle down and I’m not looking forward to it.
All this is done for emissions. Glow plugs are a terrible idea .And all that heat on the rear of the turbo thats a great idea ! And an aluminum head way to go !
Very disappointed they went to glow plugs, one of the things I really love about my Cummins is the grid heater, much more maintainable and works great in the supercool -40
@@Pickuptrucktalk a Cummins with a grid heater hands down starts better than any diesel with glow plugs. ask any tech that works on diesels how awful corroded duramax or powerstroke are to service.
Would have been helpful and informative to, maybe, show the new external injectors and how all that's routed up top...... Just ya know, throwing that out there
I’ll take that 85 Prospector with the non intercooled 12V in the background before I’d buy anything with that new 6.7 in it. Not feeling the design of that new one other than that new gear cut.
Most Americans, myself included, can't afford a $100k+ truck, so this is all moot. Think about that for a moment... a truck, that may last 8-10 years before its rotted out from living in the Northeast or the Rust Belt, tons of issues (they all have issues now...), recalls, etc., with horrible depreciation, a 7-8% interest rate over 84 months, and its going to cost you AT LEAST 10% of one-million dollars. Fucking insane.
All those nice upgrades and absolutely no payload on 2500's to do anything with the engine. Ford and GM updated their 3/4 ton payload numbers a long time ago. I feel like Ram took one step forward and two steps back.
MORE complextiy. Yeah! Not a fan of the "over-the-air" ability to update the motor. Means they can disable the motor as well.
Exactly!!!!!!! They'll shut my truck down when I start running my mouth about ole Joe - n - kamaltoe!!!!!😊
I'm hoping banks gets their hands on one of these for a teardown soon like they did with the l5p duramax engine. It'll be interesting to see what's different inside
@@nickleinonen Ditto
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no doubt Banks will be coming out with some $$$ fuel & oil filter caps to replace the plastic ones.
Lifters!?!
Keeping my 02 24v manual with no issues and over 400000 .
Same here with my 1999 24v 5speed manual black leather interior almost 500k miles and no issues whatsoever
I’d love to have that!! I had an 05 manual 4WD 5.9 for 8 years. Did the dumbest thing ever in 2013 selling it. Would love to have it back. This new crap sucks.
Classic cummins sound...i want 12valve sound. I want to have to shut it off in a drive thru.
lol, they need a mode button in the cab, like the corvettes have.
@PremiumFuelOnly once a guy knows what a 2nd gen style manifold swap can do....then you see YT guys messing around with pilot injection being tuned out. Shows there's audible hope haha
I still have mine lol. 12v
Well if the CP4 was robust and passed the test then why did it get recalled back in 2020 and then went back to the CP3?? Guess we'll see how this CP8 turns out, would've been nice to actually see the difference internally of the CP8 though.
If it looks like a CP4, and walks like a CP4...
He conveniently avoided all conversation about the CP8, didn’t he
@@1hasbeen531 WOW, 30K PSI output! That's AMAZONG.
curious about the supplier of this "cp8" since there's ZERO info regarding it on the Bosch site. Only thing close on there is versions of the CP4.
I think its funny they call it a cp8 when really the "internally designed update" is very likely directly the result of Ford working with Bosch to redesign the pump itself, The roller is larger now, that I know, and the body is now nicasil plated, the piston is a higher grade of heat treated part, the circulation path separates the feed for the body of the pump and the work side of the pump.
Did he say reliable? Cummins lost that years ago! And that's a CP4 PUMP just called something else.
@@MrSteve8511 it's a CP8 that's been redesigned extensively internally. Time will tell how they hold up 🤞
Government emissions requirements aren't helping things either.
I didn't add how Cummins engines have cam and lifter failure... on top of main bearing failures especially among those who use their trucks for hotshot work...
Anyone seen all the frame failures? They exceed what we see from ford and gm...
And we all know any brand associated with the Stalantis brand is the absolute worst on the planet for reliability at the moment.
I once had high hopes for anything that was awesome enough to put a Cummins engine in a pick up truck... that hope is long gone.
2:05
it's flashable over the air so we can slowly derate your engine to force you to buy a new one in the future. We can also force new emissions tunes on you without your permission so when the EPA tells us to jump we can ask "How high?"
But hey at least you guys finally figured out CGA blocks suck on an engine that wasn't originally designed for them and fixed your bearing fretting problem. Only took six model years.
Well my 2018 is my last truck, I despise the oil filter placement but the rest I can live with, changing the fuel filters isn't that big a deal. Notice how careful that guy was about the CP4, that pump is garbage and they know it. CP8, oh great another experiment by Bosch. I'm not paying a 100K for a damn truck.
Same here. I’ll stick with my 4gen and anything prior.
Yep these look like a failure from the start. I'd dare to say it's intended to kill the diesels off to the point nobody wants them.
Looking at that motor makes me so glad i have an 06 5.9. what a nightmare that would be to do anything. You c an keep all these newer diesels.
Actually there not that bad to work on..and like in true 6.7 fashion, you will be.
@T.I.R24 Like the ford 6.7 s
@zackeryeckenrod6549 i get more rams in my shop than fords.
Typical ford guy making shit up.Like who didn't know that would be your response.
@zackeryeckenrod6549 Actually, i own a 06 ram 3500 and a 23 gmc sierra 3500.
I'll never buy another Ford.
Been a diesel mechanic/shop owner for 26 years now.
Stelantis is killing ram.
To the RAM Engineers: The previous 2nd/3rd/4th Gen Cummins trucks was easy to get to the oil filter from underneath, I could put a ziplock or trash bag on the filter while on my back, unscrew the filter, and drop it without spilling any oil. But for some ridiculous reason you had to redesign the engine crossmember and completely obscure the filter, making it almost required to pull the air intake tube and or remove a fender liner to get to it. And you OBVIOUSLY knew it was going to be a mess because you so kindly incorporated a plastic funnel that redirects the spilled oil from the filter directly onto the track bar and draglink. 2 thumbs up! And you've also managed to squeeze so much crap into a previously open engine bay, its now impossible to get a engine-mount fuel filter into the cannister without weaving it through hoses, the intake, and still have the master cylinder encroaching. Now its guaranteed people will bump their clean new filter onto some dirty component inside the engine bay. Can't wait to see the obscene gymnastics required to install TWO of these filters without contaminating them, especially the back one under the firewall cowl. The previous gens had an outside top-cap for the filter housings, they prevented dirt from dropping into the cannister when opened. I see your new design is the the inside top cap like the current trucks, which allows dirt to get into the cannister. These recent designs weren't thought through at all. Did you guys figure out how to weld on front shock mounts to the axle, yet? Have you updated the track bar frame mount yet? The 2014+ trucks were a joke, little pieces of sheetmetal that flexed and eventually broke. Glad you guys finally made a tiny 3 pound cast steel bracket. Pop over to the Fords, you'll observe their track bar brackets are 20 pounds of cast steel since 1999 because they understood how critical a track bar was to steering. Other than all that, good lookin' trucks, I'll probably buy a 2026 3500 when I hand my 2021 3500 down to my son.
Emissions….
Because now it's easier for dealerships to just lift the cab off. Easy access to all.
The 5th gen late 4th gen filter is incredibly easy to get at, they left a gap in the liner for it to slide right out
Gracias amigo
I’m sure they’ll read this and fret about trucks they sold fifteen years ago
I well stick with a 5.9 24v Cummins. Had one in a 3500 plow truck. Easy to work on, the guys showed me how and I learn how to work on em. 😊
Ask him what they changed on the hydraulic lifters that fail
How many times did he say “emissions”? Probably has PTSD from getting whacked by the gov’t and why I will likely never buy a diesel again. They’ve ruined the engine.
All according to plan
Remember egr adds power according to him
@@Commonrailkiller He never said that
No mention about the hydraulic lifters which is an issue on previous years, an aluminum head , disaster waiting to happen, we’re going to see that very soon on hotshot boys towing 30k lbs at west
Probably start running water/methanol injection immediately.
I never trusted a dealership to do the oil changes, I always did it myself, but the oil filter was my biggest headache. Love the top filter, to include the fuel filters up top.
That was a fantastic interview! Thanks for doing it.
I wish the inline six had been designed with this amount of serviceability in mind.
This is an inline 6…
Great video as always, Tim!, but if they didn't fix the junkie 2020 and newer CGI engine Blocks. Than what's all that other stuff on the outside matter.
Block went back to cast iron
They did. They went back to cast iron and changed the roller rockers like was used on the 5th gen
@4bearsi678 where did you see that info.? I haven't been able to find any info.? I even tried putting in the ESN shown of the engine into quickserve and it doesn't recognize that serial # yet
@wesdimig379 what year did they go back to cast iron
@@shaynestates199 2025. The 19-24' MY engines used a compacted graphite iron block that has been proven to be weaker less desirable than the previous cast iron block found in 07.5-18' MY 6.7L engines
Not a big fan of top loading oil filters. It appears to be like the pentastar 3.6 engine where the oil filter is empty on every start up causing delays in oil pressure.
It is a Mercedes design. It really does not impact wear on startup.
Almost all wear has to do with the operating temperature and oil condition. Everything will have plenty of oil to idle while the filters fill for that 3-4 seconds. It's not like all the surfaces lose their oil film between start ups. Maybe if it sat for 20 years.
Empty filters are irrelevant on start-up when properly designed. Engineering on this is sound.
I put the Baxter oil filter adapter on my pentastar and it’s quiet on start up now so I’m guessing this is going to be a issue on these trucks and someone will mak an adapter for these to .
@@Bradimus1 3-4 seconds? Try 3-4 milliseconds. The oil filters fill nearly instantly on dry startup.
Why didn’t he talk about the lifters? 🧐
Oh c'mon. Where's the fun in a simple name?! LOL
Thank for hitting on the cp8. I like the changes for filtration. Dont really like the doc up there. Probably to discoursge deletes
No that's not an issue at all the problem is that over the air ecu. They may be able to tell over the air if you've deleted. Not sure but definitely worrying
@Eric_V410 surely that can be turned off or removed. I don't see them requiring a internet connection for the truck to run
@@agger838 no they wouldn't require internet connection but if you tune the ecu they could possibly see it if they can connect over the air. Not to mention if they do an update without asking they could put everything back to factory settings. I'm not expert, could be wrong but seems like possibilities
@Eric_V410 people were swapping ecms with aftermarket ones there for a while
@agger838 no they were swapping I think 21 and later for 20 and earlier ecus because no one could crack the 21 and later ecu. No one will be able to crack this one for a while too but even when they do it might be a fight to delete with stock ecu
So still sticking with the failed hyd lifters....Duramax is the platform for me then
They changed that too! No more lifters like the 5gen
They have their own set of issues. Broken cranks or front gear dowel pin sheeting. Wish Mercedes made a pick up. Easy to work on and get better mileages
@@goducgo Neither of which are problems on the L5P which has been the current engine since 2017, lol
@@4bearsi678, the Ram HD line is still on 4th Gen due to using cab codes to differentiate between generations. These are nothing more than a refreshed 4th Gen, again.
@@4bearsi678pretty sure they didn’t change the lifters from another video I saw about that engine.
Did you redesign the oil pan so it doesn’t hold a half a quart of used contaminated oil after draining the old oil?
😀🤣You watch too many Banks infomercials.
@ I do keep up with all the talking heads just to see what the latest information is🤣. However on a true concern level I’ve done all my own maintenance for the last 35 years. With the exception of the freebies, the dealership gives you when new. 1 GMC 2 Fords and two Rams. Most current is my 2014 Ram 6.7. Always been a stock OE guy “ Just leave shit alone and it seems to run fine“ no mods including running OE filters. The 6.7 oil pan indents up ⬆️ plus the height of the drain plug collar on the inside of the pan trapping at least a half a quart of old oil. This has always bugged. Probably doesn’t hurt anything but just seems wrong.
You are correct
Mounting the engine ECU low down exposes it to far more water and potential impact damage than if it was secured high up in the engine bay.
That's where the ecm has been mounted since 1998 on cummins in ram trucks and a number of other applications. No issues there at all.
Great Review Tim! Keep up the GREAT work!
Are the gears pressed on the crank or is there a keyway
Let’s see the “cp-8” (cp-4). Internals
Classic Cummins sound put the turbo back where it belongs in the 2nd gen location and man all the fuel filter and oil filter stuff sure hope fleece comes out with stiff for this motor real soon
This should have been broken down into (1) performance/reliability upgrades (2) emission changes. I don’t see any changes that enhance reliability. I will stick with my Ram Laramie 3500 manual 6spd.
Incredible work sir Tim
Bring back the Manual
Unfortunately, not enough knuckle draggers like you and I to make it feasible to market. 😂
Please do. These auto transmissions are awful. Especially towing in the winter
Nope. People complained about that. Just look at the comments. People complain about everything. Bigger cab, quieter engine, easier maintenance. Truck won’t be trucks in the future at this rate.
No one will buy that junk. The guys buying $100k trucks and the guys who want manuals are not groups that overlap.
@OtisFlint Yep, you're right. Like I said, I'm a Neanderthal.
So ram can delete your custom tune anytime they want also why is does this guy keep talking about emissions as a selling point I don’t care how clean it runs I care how reliable it is
So long as “emissions” exist you’ll never get long lasting or reliable
I’d like to see the internals on the cp8.
And now they will want 100,000.00 for them after rebates
Some improvements, glad they got rid of the engine killer grid heater system. Still too much useless emissions components. I like the new filter systems.
So now you have six glow plugs that can fall into the engine. The grid warmer was reliable for years.
@@1hasbeen531 That's weird because I've never once seen a glowplug fall into an engine and kill it and I've owned diesels from the 80s with original glowplugs still in them.
I do however know of and have seen lots of Cummins that have died to grid heater bolts getting sucked into the intake. Reliable my ass.
@@jellyfrosh9102 I doubt anyone has seen "lots" of grid heater bolt failures. Maybe in Banks infomercials, but there's millions of these engines out there with no bolt 'problem"
I keep hearing "more power". High fuel pressure is good for power. Cast aluminum intake is good for more power. But its the same torque and 10 more hp than before
Im a ford guy and im liking the new ram. But over the air updates isnt good for weight reduction and is there any news on the lifters?
What concerns me is all 3 filters are upside down so every start up it needs to refill so it will be starved for oil for a few seconds every time, that’s what messed up the Toyota rav-4 back in the day. The upside down oil filters
Any info about the lifter??? Are you using the oven technology for the EGR system or still the garbage the EPA wants everyone to use since they have no clue..
Interesting video - no discussion of the valve train and any changes they have made to it??
He only went over what was changed.
Nice job cummins! It will be interesting to see what kind of bugs gets worked out. Also, I wish you would've used the S.O.A or Speed of Air pistons! I think all the manufacturers should actually!
Lmao, if they did anything they would have adopted them when they were first tested in the 1970s. It's snake oil bud.
I heard more power more power… 10 hp? Maybe more usable power? I hope those 2 fuel filters are easy to get to. Il wait for PD diesel to get one of these to 100k then order if its trouble free
If the OEMs would chill with the horsepower and torque wars, we'd probably see a marked improvement in reliability, even with the stupid modern emissions requirements. Understressed is always better.
Well they honestly do go hand in hand. If an engine makes more power, then it doesn’t work as hard, and it performs better on the emissions side.
Why would I buy a truck with less power for similar money? No thanks. Give me the power ill take my chances on reliability.
Lifters, lifters, lifters…. Why the hydraulic lifters? Mine failed at 47k miles, only ever used 10w30, only ever did synthetic, 5k-7k oil change intervals
Mine failed at 15k complete junk
Well that just scared me. I was thinking of a new diesel but the lifter issues scare me
Another reason to keep the 4th Gen.
Are they still using a CP4
Any design changes to hydraulic lifters and/or plans to go back to flat tappets?
I'm not sure.
@@Pickuptrucktalk you forgot? Why not put him on the spot and ask. These reliability things costs consumers tens of thousands of dollars. I don’t need helical cut gears for the oil pump, I want reliability #1
@@Upliftyourbrothers I didn’t say I forgot. I didn’t ask.
@@Pickuptrucktalk these are real pain points for customers. We need you to remind these engineers to do better.
@ I hear you and others. I made sure to ask about the fuel pumps since I had just talked with others about that. Nobody brought up lifters. When I see this guy again in a few months, trust me, lifters will be at the TOP of my list.
That pump looks like just a cp4 same as my 2020 3500
Didn’t change the lifters?
Granted I know they have been having issues with the grid heater lately.
I still don't like that they switched to glow plugs.
I mean, banks accidentally came up with a fix for it.
BD has a better fix that doesn't cost a fortune and retains the grid heater.
did he really say emissions are important for diesels? I beg to differ sir
I didn't hear him say that if the pump fails the fuel system won't get full of metal shards and wipe your injectors out I sure hope that was the upgrade it's pretty sad if they didn't Especially considering you can go out and buy bypass kits to avoid this disaster if the pump starts to fail.
Lifter failure is still issue, and 100k price tag I’m gonna keep my 2012
Dont like the sound of over the air updates. But this does look like a good straight 6... Unlike some released recently. Did they say anything about the 6.7 octane Tim?
They learned after nobody brought their trucks in for the EPA BS.
They didn’t say on octane.
@@Pickuptrucktalk hopefully it makes its way into these trucks!
I don’t like the idea of any manufacturer being able to access the software of a vehicle over the air. I do like the filter location.
My guess is the EPA is requiring this now for emission update requirements.
@ Ford & GM have had OTA updates on their trucks for years. There are new requirements for "increased security" in ECM/PCM's when EPA '27 goes in effect.
You can have the best engine to talk about all you want, but until you make your truck affordable and not overpriced then buyers might consider 😊
Thank the epa and carb for driving prices up. Increased cost associated with engineering and the new warranty policies forced by the epa means the cost will be passed to the consumer. Us.
@peepeedoodoo8590 The good thing is that buyers have a choice not to go along with it. Unless they allow it
FYI, either the audio or the video is inverted left to right.
I am not vibing with the idea of the Over The Air ECU updates. They could remotely neuter your truck if there is another emissions scandal.
Better get over that or make peace with driving junk, because that is the future of all vehicles.
Going back to the cp4, smart
Still no changes with the lifters
But will it run for 300k miles without costing $20k above regular maintenance expenses?
Thats why you give any new model a couple years before buying it.
I get you can't trash RAM to their face but to say there was some controversy with the CP4 is like pissing on a man's foot and saying that they had a spill.
Let the Hot Shot and Camper Transport guys decide if they are improved. Then, only then will the truth set their struggling dealerships and over packed lots free!
What about the lifter issue did you go back to flat tappet??
Since you can change the fuel filter faster now does that mean dealers will charge less now as less labor time 😂😆
I have an idea, make it last more than 100k without having a failure again. That’s the Cummins I want to own. Glow plugs and an all new CP4 aren’t getting me excited. Use a commercial grade Cummins again, quit chasing Ford’s power numbers and make it bulletproof.
Does the fuel pump killer test involve running straight gasoline through the system without destroying the pump? If so that’s good but potentially terrible for the rest of the motor
I remember the good old days when diesels didn't have an EGR system. I'm doing just fine with all my pre-EGR diesels and this new junk isn't on my list. Keep it.
I'm actually not angry with the manufacturers. I'm angry with the EPA and the rest of the bureaucratic idiots who are willingly killing industry.
No mention of the fact the power stroke is still donkey stamping them with 500hp and 1200ftlbs?
Great video but I would like to hear if they updated the lifters.
I like the new fuel and oil filter set up that’s about it.
What about the lifter problem?
Wow, there is a lot of hate - love here for Cummins / RAM.
Many would buy it again despite a litany of issues and complaints.
Never needed a diesel truck so perhaps I missed something.
Catalyst next to turbo will kill it fast, glow plugs are crap, aluminum intake will crack.. I just don’t see the longevity in these motors … glow plugs hell after my 6.7 dies it’ll be my last Cummins but I love my 19 but next will be a duramax
I've got a 17 cummins and a 23 Duramax. It has a DOC on the back of the turbo, glow plugs and an aluminum intake lol. Honestly wished for another cummins truck but the 5th gens are mostly crap from the start so duramax it was. At only 56k miles it's been in the shop for a month waiting for exhaust manifolds and up pipes. All are on back order with GM and nearly impossible to get. Seems it's a shit sandwich any which way anymore.
My duramax has been a nightmare since 50,000…. I think they all have to have this crap to meet emissions.
Glow plugs have been on diesel engines for eons because they WORK! That’s stupid point #1! Aluminum intakes and even plastic intakes have been on vehicles for eons with no issue! That was dumb point #2! And the duramax has all the above which makes all your points stupid!
The Duramax has literally all of those things you're complaining about and yet doesn't have issues with them.
You mean to tell me you had the chief engineer in front you and you never bothered to ask anything about the most popular topic on that engine, the biggest failure of the hydraulic lifters??? And you never mentioned it???? Omg!!!! Hottest topic in the entire Cummins world. Lifters lifters lifters!!!!! Com-on-man!!!
Is we need to do an “over the air” delete
Ask about lifters, I heard they upgraded them
it looks like they centered the turbo on the manifold again
Over the air ECU updates, no thanks. Sounds like this won’t be able to be tuned at all now. Even though I’m not interested in a 3/4 to diesel, this will trickle down and I’m not looking forward to it.
It'll be like the L5P where you have to replace all the modules in the truck to be able to tune it.
ford & gm have been doing OTA updates for a while, now.
All this is done for emissions. Glow plugs are a terrible idea .And all that heat on the rear of the turbo thats a great idea ! And an aluminum head way to go !
Head not aluminum that is the bolt on air intake. When you see the back you can see the cast head.
aslong as its not going to choke up on soot and do the usual stupid stuff it will do just fine
cant wait to see the new ram in australia
Very disappointed they went to glow plugs, one of the things I really love about my Cummins is the grid heater, much more maintainable and works great in the supercool -40
That’s exactly the opposite of what the engineers said.
@@Pickuptrucktalk a Cummins with a grid heater hands down starts better than any diesel with glow plugs. ask any tech that works on diesels how awful corroded duramax or powerstroke are to service.
@ All I’m saying is Cummins and Ram engineers told me the exact opposite message.
@@Pickuptrucktalk All I'm saying is I live in Alaska and most men drive Cummins because they always start at -40
@ just relating what Cummins said and why they made the change.
Would have been helpful and informative to, maybe, show the new external injectors and how all that's routed up top...... Just ya know, throwing that out there
Thank you EPA for making the world worse, year after year🤡💩
Push rod motor?
That’s an Iveco w a Cummins badge
This is the same type of engineer that will tell you how good the 6.4 Powerstroke is.
So now you can shut the truck down remotely? And track it?
Thats what we can do with heavy equipment now.
Of course, and report you to the authorities for everything you do. Don't you just love freedom?
They have been able to do that for a long time. Chances are that can be done with your current vehicle, unless you drive something ancient.
Glow plugs? WTF
I’ll take that 85 Prospector with the non intercooled 12V in the background before I’d buy anything with that new 6.7 in it. Not feeling the design of that new one other than that new gear cut.
Sounds like more big tech control to me. I’ll stick with my 12 valve
They need a filter after the fuel pump, or it just junk.
Over the air connection is very disturbing.
Better improvement is deleted the dpf system.
Yes we know the boost pressure comes from the turbo 😂😂😂
OTA engine updates? No thanks, I don't want the gov't forcing some emissions update down my throat in a few years with no say on my part.
More heat closer to the engine not a good thing in my opinion
What do you mean by reliable? lol
Most Americans, myself included, can't afford a $100k+ truck, so this is all moot.
Think about that for a moment... a truck, that may last 8-10 years before its rotted out from living in the Northeast or the Rust Belt, tons of issues (they all have issues now...), recalls, etc., with horrible depreciation, a 7-8% interest rate over 84 months, and its going to cost you AT LEAST 10% of one-million dollars.
Fucking insane.
The converter being next to the turbo is an LOL...
I guess you don't understand how converters work.
All those nice upgrades and absolutely no payload on 2500's to do anything with the engine. Ford and GM updated their 3/4 ton payload numbers a long time ago. I feel like Ram took one step forward and two steps back.
My wife's 2024 Ranger has a higher payload rating than some 2500 Rams. Quite sad.
Unless these come with speed of air pistons. We don’t want it
OMG you actually believe Dave's auto. I pity you.