I think it's great you're offering such level headed advice on this matter. I have a 2019 RT and my husband has a 2014 RT-both Challengers-and we're completely satisfied with our cars. Scats and Cats are very nice, but that extra money going out for the car payment, the insurance, and the fuel, especially since we drive our vehicles a lot, having those higher trim levels would make zero sense for our particular situation. I get the "oh, you just have the 5.7, you need a Scat or a Cat" comments from some people, but then when I had my GT Challenger, I got the line "oh, you need at least the 5.7 you don't have a real muscle car"...it doesn't matter what you have or what you do, some people always have something to say. I say be happy with what you have and don't go into financial stress just trying to please the masses (and that "m" is silent lol).
Truth be told, just get the R/T with manual transmission. You get the monster muscle-car torque on take off, the joy of rowing thru the gears and hearing that Hemi (best sounding V8 ever, IMO...and that's coming from a life-long GM guy), the much more reasonable car price (I paid $38.5k out-the-door for a brand new one in May), lower insurance premiums, better gas mileage, less chance of getting stolen, less care about putting miles on it, and understated good looks (the Scats and HCs are a bit over-the-top...Scats and HCs are Ginger; R/Ts are Mary Ann😄).
I owned a Corvette that my mechanic friend took for a test drive. He has a Camaro he thought was faster. He choose to floor it on the highway at 70MPH. The Corvette with 275 series tires on 9.5" rims broke the tire loose so violently it was sliding sideways down the highway. He asked me how I could drive the car. I told him (1) the car is 500 pounds lighter than his Camaro and (2) I never, ever floor it at under 100. You MUST ease in and out of the throttle like a race car with Hellcats and any super fast car. Heck, a Scat Pack will kill you if you screw up. Don't screw up.
Brad, hope the knee is Ok. I’ve been there. Great follow up video to the previous video. People need to hear this. The advice is dead on. It will help people to avoid a regrettable mistake. This doesn’t apply to people that can afford a Hellcat and who really love the car. Go for it. A Scat Pack gives you an incredible Bang for the Buck as long as you’re not overpaying for the car, especially avoiding markups. You can enjoy this as an everyday driving and avoid the added expenses of a Hellcat. I know that it’s not the same car, but you have to make the best decision when financially commuting to a Hellcat. It can be a very expensive and painful lesson that can really come back to haunt you. I’m not trying to pour cold water on anyone. If you really want a Hellcat, it’s ultimately your money and your decision. Take it from somebody who’s been there and learned the hard way. Thank God I learned my lesson and can at least say that I’ve lived to see another day. Once again, great video, and please keep them coming.
Love the content and honesty. Local dealer has a 2023 Challenger SRT Hellcat Jailbreak MSRP $84,249 plus a "market adjustment of $4,995. I'm waiting patiently and 'f' the market adjustment BS.
I’d love a 2015 challenger hellcat with low miles , I always wanted that model but times are pretty difficult right now . I’m only 21 so I won’t rush it at all. Thank you for the message a lot of people need to hear this .
I would love a Hellcat, but your right Brad my 2022 WB Scatpack Shaker Manual is just fine. In fact it is awesome. Maybe some day I will get the Cat but for now I’m loving the Scat and loving your videos. Thank you for your knowledge in all of this. Keep up the great videos. 😊.
Maybe some day you'll recognize low quality and get a better brand 😂 that interior is going to unglue itself within a few years and you're going to be like but it's a v8 😂😂
You know I said the same thing on the GM side. I’ll just get a SS because I’ll never need 650hp and now I have a ZL1 and don’t regret it. The moment you hit the gas you’re hit with multiple senses. The exhaust gets loud and as you reach 4-6000 RPM the supercharger whine comes in then the up shift happens and you here the 10 spd transmission make that burst of a sound wave “pop” sound all while visually getting tunnel vision and you come up on everything fast. Don’t regret it period.
Great content Brad, good information and thought process for interest buyers of Chargers or Challengers . Definitely agree with you, as a scat pact owner, it is in my opinion a perfect fit for enthusiast driving and road trips. Especially the automatic with the MDS has mileage on the hi-way and interstate actually not to bad. I hope you’re okay after your slip and tumble. At least you can fall and still get up.
i agree. i factory ordered a 21 sp charger in sept 21. it was delivered to me 02/22. i dont need a hellcat. i wanted something i could drive on a regular basis (except winter). i got it below msrp, and i qualified for 0% for 72 months, so to me, it was a win all around.
Really good advice. I’ve owned a few RTs, two SRTs and a hellcat, and I agree with how dangerous the cat can be. No one thinks it will happen to them but once it does, you better hope it ends well. Another good option for people to consider is getting a 2011-2014 SRT8 392. While its factory tune is “only” 470HP, unlike the 2015 and later years you DON”T need a cracked PCM in order to tune it. For a few hundred bucks you can tune to 500+ HP. (Just stick with the manual because the pre-2015 automatics were not great). You can get a decent SRT8 392 in the mid to high twenties, which is far better than a new Scat for nearly $60k.
Didn’t think ANYBODY can convince me to NOT get a hellcat. But I think you just did, and not just by saying you can’t afford it, or things are going to be tight. But with FACTS! Thanks man, felt like you were talking to me directly.
@@georgeperez6114 they make every car the same fool , hellcat or not , that interior is going to be falling apart by year 3 , that's what low quality is lol
Hi Brad! That is wise advice! When I ordered my 23 ScatPack widebody Challenger just to have it canceled 12 days later, I found out a couple days after that, had I bought the ScatPack, my Insurance would have gone up $1000. My insurance man told me that it was cheaper to insure my Corvette. Here's proof that everything happens for a reason... Be SAFE and stay HEALTHY! John from SoCal
Brad, the hard grass landing priceless!! Now to your topic, you are 100% correct, I have the F8 Swinger, & had my choice to buy a Hell Cat, cash paid for, but my nephew that is a finance mgr. in a TN Dodge dealership advised me otherwise & my test drive in both, the Scat Pack is definitely the much, much more usable smarter way to go. Gr8 video, & crash landing, LOL🤣😂🤣😂
You are a good guy for telling these people this important information 4 those who have Fomo😮. This is coming from a 2017 Scat pack shaker owner, Who couldn't be happier and would never trade it or start looking 4 a Hellcat. I am still as happy with it now as I was when I 1st got it.😊
With the HC, I would keep it in the lower HP mode if it rains or snows. And I agree, wait this thing out. Wait for interest rates to drop. It will happen. Be patient. Great videos brother! 👊😎
I love watching you so much and you message about taking life and bouncing back, I got a car after not having a license for 20 years totally ran my life in to a ditch. I love your message so much. Real talk hope you are ok from that fall taping intro
I discovered your channel today, and those last few minutes really resonated with me. Thank you for your humbleness and sincerity. I will listen and watch your other videos on account of your virtuosity, especially when you made sure to emphasize that your message was for the young men among us who might be a bit too rash with their money.
This is a good video I appreciate the wisdom .I’m the audience you’re speaking too. I live in northeast Ohio by Lake Erie it rains constantly and winter ha ..
OC, you're right. I went up against a Redeye WB in my Scat WB and I've never seen a car move that fast; I was fearful for the other driver because he got to the light before I did and I said he MUST go through on the yellow because he has no chance of stopping; I was over a 100mph and I got walked easily. It was fun to see; I wanted to see how fast these HC Redeye's were and they're on a different level. I was told by a technician at the dealership that I made the right decision to go for the Scat WB as opposed to the Hellcat WB; he said you don't need all that power.
I owned 2 SCATPACKS! A Manuel and Auto,narrow and widebody! Just purchased a Hellcat REDEYE Widebody tbh I’ll never go back! Love the REDEYE ! Breathtaking 💪🏾💪🏾
Good advice for many. Thank you for discussing the things that run through minds of car guys all the time. There are not many people we can talk to about this that understand what cars mean to us. As a 55 year old guy I can say this: I look back to 1970 and said to myself if I was around back then I would have done whatever it took to get a 426 Hemi Mopar back in 1970. Nowadays situation, a living legend, a high horsepower Mopar musclecar and I went for it! A scatpack, if adding supercharger with similar parts cost the same or more than a Redeye if it can even be tuned perfectly, cooling etc. But, a guy can get a new scat pack AND a used vette for the same money as a new Redeye. The Redeye has upgrades beyond just more power: That chiller! Beefed up fuel system, axles, converter, factory performance parts, several upgrades included. A guy can drive high rwhp cars year round in the Northeast, just needs Winter tires.
Had both. Brad is right on many points. The supercharger whine was intoxicating but the power was unusable especially since I never tracked it. Aside from that I live in VA where they force you to pay personal property tax on cars. Let’s just say that tax bill easier to swallow on a scar than a cat.
Hey oCmotivTor I do enjoy all your videos Im glad i came across this video. I have a 2021 scat , debating to trade it in for a hellcat. All great valid points you said really made me realize. Your right. I can pull the trigger with the hemet dodge. It will stretch my finances out. I jus traded my wifes telluride for a 4xe Rubicon. But i do like the valid points you made a previous hellcat owner. Dam those 5.0's jus need a little more HP. I do Love my scat and why would i trade it in with a zero % interest rate.
Brad, I've resisted the urge to buy a Challenger since it's re-introduction in 2008, but I've always admired them. I've done tons of research and watched many videos on these cars. The pragmatic side of me says buy the WB Scat. However, the "cant take it with you" side of me says buy the Hellcat. I'm in a financial position to buy either car without regards to financing. It's like you literally read my mind making this video!! I just don't think I could get my money's worth out of the Hellcat, and as a small businessman, I have to justify all expenditures in a rational way. Also, the wife and I could use a good used suv. (I'm a Toyota and Lexus guy) So if I buy the Scat, I'd have enough leftover to buy the suv. Same thought process as you on this. In any case. I'm holding out to for the decline in prices on ANY vehicle I buy ! Keep up the good work and thanks for sharing your tumble with all of us !!
Two years ago before all this crazy economy and pricing I bought a Scat Pack Challenger six speed because it is what I wanted, big torque muscle car feel (the tip in roll from a light can't be beat) and now with the spread between them I certainly would even be more inclined to pick this rumbling freight train reminding me of the 60s - 70s muscle cars we were forced to grow up with ;
Wow I was really about to go out and get me a Hellcat until I saw this vid. The scat pack swinger sounds like an excellent choice for me. I’m just gonna cruise and I wanted something unique The Swinger checks all the boxes. Haven’t found any for 60K most around here in Chicago are hoping for 67K
As usual a great video with the information. Tell u I love my 2020 392 Scatpack challenger . Thank you Looked at the 2023 392 but the prices just crazy
Excellent video. Solid advice. Most people don't know how to properly drive those cars anyway and to go poor over ANY car doesn't make sense. I OWN my slightly modded 6 Speed Mustang GT. I bought it new in 2018. I paid it off a year and a half later. I'm debt free and want to stay that way. I'm keeping it until it drops, or I do. It's not great on gas but it is better than any Hellcat and Scat Pack. It makes a solid daily driver, and I don't track it. I have access to a Ferrari 488 for track days. BTW, to answer your insurance question: Your insurance went up going from the Charger to the Challenger because Sport Coupes are more expensive to insure than Sport Sedans.
I 100% agree. As a Former Charger Hellcat owner, The Scatpack is a way better daily driver. The only way to keep the Hellcat from spinning & spinning the tires… you have to drive it like a Grandma. Boring. Only drove it 7500 miles in 3 years…. 4000 of those miles were driven the 1st year as a Boring Daily Driver. Last 2 years… weekends only…no rain…above 50 degrees. Spun it from every stop sign…every light 🚦🚥 😎
I have a 22 Hellcat and I do miss my 19 Scat Pack wish I could afford to have both but I do have a great situation where my daily is a company vehicle with gas paid for. I would recommend a Scat Pack to anyone even though I do love my Hellcat and got a great rate on it when I bought it last year. It all comes down to each person’s financial situation and being smart about purchases.
Same here, i use to own a scatpack when i was barely making money and sold it, now i make six figures and dont even want one anymore, im fine with my toyota
Damn that make sense good speech . Now I understand what you coming from. I not looking for like higher performance like crazy scat pack or hell cats . I would like get regular charger or challenger I don't mind . Just drive normal not crazy like what they doing out there . Like crazy donuts, take over, speed stuff stupid. All is do take care of cars . I know it high payments and insurance.
I'll second the comment about sticking with a Scat Pack. I've had three Challengers so far and started in 2016 with a 5.7/A8 (I actually wanted a pickup, but the wife said I've bought enough of those and to get a car, lol), had that for a couple years and found a nice 2016 Scat Pack / Shaker 6.4/A8. I traded out of the 6.4 to a Hellcat/M6 about two years because I felt that was the end all be all car to have and the wife thought so too. lol We've had fun with it, but the Scat Pack Shaker was/is my favorite out of the bunch. I'm pretty sure the wife thinks that way too. I'm not interested in breaking speed limits, but I like a 0-60 pull once in a while and the Scat was about on par with the HC in that regard. I feel the M6 is a bit slower than the A8 due to the taller gearing, so that may have a bit to do with it. However, you can run 0-60 in first gear with the M6. lol Fun times. I do drive the HC a bit like a grandpa and get around 15mpg driving through town going to/from work with the occasional pull (nothing crazy, just to sprinkle some whine in there). I'd give up the HC and go back to a 6.4/A8 if the right deal came along.
Darn it OCM! Every time i start thinking about getting rid of my 19 challenger Scatpack for a Hellcat....you or RacerX put out a video to the contrary. Lol. I didn't know about the interest rate forecast for next yr. Had cked into a loan but was at 7to9% from 3% not that long ago. Didn't like that at all! Did however ck on insurance for Hellcat, was at $300 every 6mos in Wi. Would hate to pay what your paying! Think I'll just be patient and give it a yr. Thx for the video, was informative.
I am currently doing durability testing for the Demon 170 at work, I drive 400 miles per day on 50/50 fuel which gets 952 HP that way the milage sucks but is the most fun vehicle I have ever driven. So far 24k miles I have put on it. If I could afford it even with my stalantis discout I definitely would. I had to sign a confidentiality agreement and put tape over my phones cameras 😂😂
So you work for the company? Can you clarify something? Is the production of these cars continuing till end of year and going to arrive on dealer lots for sale OR is just pre orders, the final special edition and demons only being done at this point? I've called a few dealers and they basically say the same thing..that there not going to be getting more in to just sit on lots waiting for a sale. I'm not sure if this is a tactic there saying in order to get me to settle or take what they my have. I missed out on pre ordering
@@charlesstepinski9327 Grain a salt. I worked for Dodge briefly this year and there was no discount for any of the L bodies. They flat out denied that. So maybe he doesnt know, but Dodge does monitor Brad's channel. Heck, they follow me, and Im podunk small, so I have my doubts. But who knows. Not trying to be nasty. Maybe hes doing testing for a JD Powers thing? Id like to know more too.
@charlesstepinski9327 it's not a tactic, they already told everyone when pre orders end, if u still want this low quality junk see which dealer has allocation still lol Just not worth the money when your interior is falling apart on the 3rd year of owning and dodge wants 800 to stop they failures 😂
@GreenTense yup , I have friend with 19 scat pack with 70k mileage , he comes to the shop everyday and we laugh at his interior cause everything become unglued and u ca stick your hand in between it and see thru the center console 😂 Dodge wants 800 to replace all the trims pieces that the glue didn't held up on 😂
That was a good spill brad......yea i am 56 with 35+ years of concrete floors and body shops and auto mechanics ect. My knees and ankles do what they want from time to time....and some times it's a blade of grass that puts me face down ass up eating shit...😂.... the struggle is real... now on to the task at hand.........these toys ( hellcats scat packs ect) are great cars. But just because you want one doesn't mean you should have one! They are wants not needs! Society has gotten to the point that common sense is not common...it is i want what i want i don't care what it costs because I have to be like the Joneses you got a scat pack?well i am getting a hellcat! Oh yeah well I am trading in my scat and getting a red eye.blah blah blah.... and it's vanity! It's look at me look at me! Every video of shows you go to i don't see one guy get out of a car with a girl or girlfriend and the girls that are into it they show up with their girl freinds in the car.... and they all think they will be the next you tube sensation with their $1600 apple iPhone 212.... And it works for a little while then it gets old $1800 car payment $500 a month car insurance $250 oil change $2400 tire bill and you still have to pay for gas and your phone bill where do these ppl live? You can only juggle that for so long. It's the festival of greed and vanity and it's coming to a screeching halt... with great credit where i am intrest rates are 12%+ for auto loans it's insanity at its finest keep up the great vids Brad 👍 and um watch your step 🤣😂🤣😂🤣
I am looking at picking up a wide body scat manual in plum crazy at some point. I am waiting for this crazy market to go down. It’s a garage piece that I can hand down to the boys when I am gone.
I had a 16 Charger Scat Pack, a few years later I bought a 2016 go Mango Challenger, I feel like the hellcat is a wreck less driving charge waiting to happen. Cool and fun as hell but I feel like I was gonna get in trouble! Scat Pack is fun, and more usable power imho! I typed this while I was watching the video...I guess we feel the same way!!
As soon as you drive it off the lot...it's begins to depreciates...so let the new buyer take the depreciation, and then get a better deal a year or two later...has worked for me with my '19 T/A Scat Pack.
I used to run two National Guard Armories… my name was on the checking accounts. I’m good at balancing several budgets. I bought the last call Scat Pack it was the only thing they had. I’m retired and I had an 11k trade in. Just turned 700 miles on mine. 17 mpg and I’ve been sideways so many times it’s crazy looking at 11” rears and 10” fronts… I agree with you and I’ve seen how many that have been crashed, gotta be a real driver to touch these things.
Don’t forget to tell people that even if they buy a scat pack with 485 hp to the crank and those really horrible Perelli tires that they come with you can still lose control if you’re not used to that kind of power and torque. So unless somebody’s been driving 350 hp to 400hp in the pass, do not take off traction control or for that matter do not deactivate stability control because you will regret it. Remember as your approaching 500hp or 700hp everything progressively gets faster and faster. Not to mention these cars are heavy and soft, which will give you a false sense of security.
Dont do it bro haha keep your scat! I had a built scat i traded in for my redeye and i regret agreeing to this big ass car note. Its def a ego thing! The scat is more than enough fun. Infact i enjoyed dailying my scat more than driving my redeye.
In 2017 I snatched a brand new 2016 Charger SRT 392 that simply didn't sell and only had 49 miles on it. The dealer gave it to me $10k below msrp, which i believe was $53k at the time. With prices as high as they are now, there will be a surplus of cars from people refusing to justify forking $100k+ for one and some dealers will be forced to sell below msrp a year later. We'll just have to see!
He telling the truth, wish I would have kept my scat pack, have a hellcat but it paid for last year, brought it 2017 when the prices was $65,000 and a rebate of $3000,had more fun in the scat pack,every sport car I see want to race, for free and the maintenance on the hellcat is greater, intercooler pump went out,$1200,rear shock went out $800, broke a axle $2100, from spinning the tires, and the tires I wasted,$450 apiece MT, change out adleast every 3 months.
Built is a much better way to go… but this advice goes towards almost every experience hobby/ toys…🤷🏾♂️ remember the old saying of “keeping up with the Jones “ but this type of info is called wisdom and most people have to go through it to grow and learn….
im retired been low income for 60 some yrs now i have a once in a life time chance to get a brand new car im gonna do it! but its not gonna be a hellcat the scat pack has plenty of power for me! But a Camaro SS 1LE came of the truck two days a go and man did it look good!im so tempted to buy it but ive never had a red car. Plus im a chevy guy anyway but im looking into a super bee lately. Never owned a dodge and only one ford,
As I drove my 2022 jailbreak on stock tires, i was merging onto a highway by turning right I accelerated approximately 40 to 50%, my back end gave out and fishtailed for a good 4-5 seconds. I traded it in for a last call super stock. Still scared to drive the Challenger today.
The day before Easter in 22 I went in for a Cat, walked out with a special order for a loaded Scat WB Shaker with a Manual. Paid a little under 60 after dealer rebate and some shucking and jiving. VERY happy with the car. Happier still with the tiny payment.
These are secondary collector cars - you should put them on a Hagerty agreed value plan instead of putting them on your main policy. They don't care if it is a SP or a HC, they just go by the insured value.
Quite a lot of Scat Packs on the market now, prices all over the map, for the wide body which you want. 60-75k seems to be the range. Looking here for a Swinger package in F8, MSRP 65k, discounts seem to be out there. Hellcats are for the rich boys, fun but crazy expensive.
Back when I had my 2014 Charger RT I really thought I wanted a Hellcat. The RT was a fun car to drive (had the pre-2015 level 3 scat pack) and all, but always left me wanting a little more oomph. My buddy upgraded from his Challenger 392 to a Challenger Hellcat, and I was lusting for one even more. Then I drove it a few times and decided I had no need for that much power on the street. I now have a 2020 Charger scat back with about every upgrade Dodge offers (not a wide body though), and frankly I don't need the HP/TQ this thing has either. I would probably have been fine getting another RT. I mostly drive my Scatpack in eco mode because the rear end is too squirly with the stock 245s on it, sliding out from under it even on bone-dry pavement. I do plan on upgrading to 275 all-season tires (it's my daily), so maybe that will make the extra power more useable on dry roads. 🤷♂️ My buddy with the Hellcat eventually got rid of it after having several traction loss incident, the last one leaving him spun-out on the far side of a grassy median facing on-coming traffic a few feet away. This is a guy who has raced on and off the track for years, so he has driving skills. He was just getting on the highway in the rain, and according to him he didn't do anything silly, was just getting into his lane and lost traction for a second. Scared the $#!+ out of him, to the point where he sold it and went back to an AWD tuner car.
I just visited the dealership I got my 22 6 speed challenger scat pack just to check out the inventory and they had your exact car marked up to 86k 🤦🏾♂️ I asked them about and said they’d be able to knock off a little 😂
In 2019, I paid for insurance on my 2018 Charger Hellcat $185 a month. I priced insurance for a 2020 Charger Hellcat $533 a month. Yes, if you're buying a Hellcat, it needs to be your second car. I love fas cars. I like going to the race track.
most people in their 20s cant afford an RT nm a scat or hellcat. im seeing scat packs going for more than i paid for my zl1 lol. but yeah youre right those cars have terrible traction in good weather and are absolutely scary in bad weather.
The money saved going scat over hellcat can make one mean Apache TA that kills cats off the line. Seen people do even better with R/Ts especially with not having to retune.
People should seriously look into an R/T too. Locally there's a 2021 with 14k miles for around $33k. Keep the miles low and you could sell it in a year or two for $29k. That's not bad.
I love my 392 in my 2015 Challenger SRT 392. And .... I would be just as happy with a 345ci/5.7L HEMI ..... IF .... I could get the adaptive suspension in the R/T.
I'm Glad, ..Brad that you put this video out. The 'fomo' sort of thing, recently started to get at me. I'm over in Rhode Island, completely opposite end of you. Dealers around here and near Boston that I've called looking for a widebody scat (not even hellcat) don't seem to have many and there all telling me generally the same thing..there not making anymore to just come an sit on lots, that what's being produced now till end of year is the pre orders and the demons, latest special edition. What can you say about this and scat packs ? Thanks
Listen, 2 scats and 2 HC, all of them manual. I have the WB HC now and by a mile best of the bunch. No comparison to the SPS i had.. All are/ were paid for, so maybe that’s the difference. But pretend a scat is more fun. Just be smart. Have fun out there man 🚀
I feel terrible but I must admit...I did rewind the video a few times to watch the fall....😁. I'm a former Army soldier. Happens to me every so often as well!
On insurance your not lying . I owned an s6 and I have a clean record nothing on it and my full coverage was 350 a month. Owning a sports car isn't cheap . Insurance knows you will romp on it once or twice or 30 times lol
I think Dodge Charger and Dodge Challenger 392 Scat Pack bone stock with 485 HP and daily driver , cheaper option Charger SRT8 392 6.4 Hemi V8 470hp 2011-2014.
this is exactly what i tell my friends who tells me i should upgrade to a hellcat.. im like nope! that new car feel will wear off in 3-5 months MAX .. then you're screwed for years! ill stick to my scat and be just fine.. hellcats are dope though! but my scat is enough for me.
My SP is $1000 a month, $400 a month to insure. Gas, $75 a day. And I drive my age. I want a HC but I'm also a rational person. I can afford it, doesn't mean it's the best choice.
@@ocmotivator- leaving it in was hilarious brother. And we know your pain, north of 40 - it's significantly harder to get up from a fall than it ever was before. Take care of yourself big dog. 💯
challengers ck e bay motors ,all the resale dealers who are trying to flip them , thinking a rich collector wants to pay $220k for a black ghost or $165 k for a super stock or $100k for a sublime green swinger ,most of us are the first in line ,one can buy a 2019 with 5000 miles for a good deal
A USED Cat wit low miles is a wayyyy better option than a new Scat, that’s the way I went. Scats ain’t even got 200 on the dash, even my camaro SS does 😤. You will stay at the gas tank a lot mainly cause the tank is small, $10/day for a hour work drive ain’t bad #🐈🐈🐈
I think it's great you're offering such level headed advice on this matter. I have a 2019 RT and my husband has a 2014 RT-both Challengers-and we're completely satisfied with our cars. Scats and Cats are very nice, but that extra money going out for the car payment, the insurance, and the fuel, especially since we drive our vehicles a lot, having those higher trim levels would make zero sense for our particular situation. I get the "oh, you just have the 5.7, you need a Scat or a Cat" comments from some people, but then when I had my GT Challenger, I got the line "oh, you need at least the 5.7 you don't have a real muscle car"...it doesn't matter what you have or what you do, some people always have something to say. I say be happy with what you have and don't go into financial stress just trying to please the masses (and that "m" is silent lol).
Yea try saying that to thee black community lol
I bet you money thar interior on the 2019 is already falling apart 😂😂
Well of course. Its always like that. People will always talk. Butvwhy should we care tho. We are buying these cars for ourselves not them 🎉🎉💪💪🙏🙏
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Correct. Sold my '13 rt charger,settled on a 2023 gt. It's fast enough and less gas and insurance
Truth be told, just get the R/T with manual transmission. You get the monster muscle-car torque on take off, the joy of rowing thru the gears and hearing that Hemi (best sounding V8 ever, IMO...and that's coming from a life-long GM guy), the much more reasonable car price (I paid $38.5k out-the-door for a brand new one in May), lower insurance premiums, better gas mileage, less chance of getting stolen, less care about putting miles on it, and understated good looks (the Scats and HCs are a bit over-the-top...Scats and HCs are Ginger; R/Ts are Mary Ann😄).
One of the most honest videos I have ever watched. You have saved so many people from having these repossessed at 2000 miles!
I owned a Corvette that my mechanic friend took for a test drive. He has a Camaro he thought was faster. He choose to floor it on the highway at 70MPH. The Corvette with 275 series tires on 9.5" rims broke the tire loose so violently it was sliding sideways down the highway. He asked me how I could drive the car. I told him (1) the car is 500 pounds lighter than his Camaro and (2) I never, ever floor it at under 100. You MUST ease in and out of the throttle like a race car with Hellcats and any super fast car. Heck, a Scat Pack will kill you if you screw up. Don't screw up.
Those USAF knees get ya everytime.
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Yeah sitting in a chair, just poking fun, I was army
Yeah mine too mine too after 21 years USAF... crew chief
@xXJOEVXx Gotta love the "Chair Force". Army here.
@@ocmotivatorman somebody on knockout360 channel just bought a jailbreak for $154k after markups taxes and fees wtf!!!! Please make a video on it
surprised you didn't mention the youngest brother the R/T as a normal DD and a car that can still pull and sounds great, but without the cost.
Brad, hope the knee is Ok. I’ve been there. Great follow up video to the previous video. People need to hear this. The advice is dead on. It will help people to avoid a regrettable mistake. This doesn’t apply to people that can afford a Hellcat and who really love the car. Go for it. A Scat Pack gives you an incredible Bang for the Buck as long as you’re not overpaying for the car, especially avoiding markups. You can enjoy this as an everyday driving and avoid the added expenses of a Hellcat. I know that it’s not the same car, but you have to make the best decision when financially commuting to a Hellcat. It can be a very expensive and painful lesson that can really come back to haunt you. I’m not trying to pour cold water on anyone. If you really want a Hellcat, it’s ultimately your money and your decision. Take it from somebody who’s been there and learned the hard way. Thank God I learned my lesson and can at least say that I’ve lived to see another day. Once again, great video, and please keep them coming.
@@bigtmac23easily the dumbest comment I’ve ever read lol 😆
Love the content and honesty. Local dealer has a 2023 Challenger SRT Hellcat Jailbreak MSRP $84,249 plus a "market adjustment of $4,995. I'm waiting patiently and 'f' the market adjustment BS.
I’d love a 2015 challenger hellcat with low miles , I always wanted that model but times are pretty difficult right now . I’m only 21 so I won’t rush it at all. Thank you for the message a lot of people need to hear this .
I would love a Hellcat, but your right Brad my 2022 WB Scatpack Shaker Manual is just fine. In fact it is awesome. Maybe some day I will get the Cat but for now I’m loving the Scat and loving your videos. Thank you for your knowledge in all of this. Keep up the great videos. 😊.
Maybe some day you'll recognize low quality and get a better brand 😂 that interior is going to unglue itself within a few years and you're going to be like but it's a v8 😂😂
You know I said the same thing on the GM side. I’ll just get a SS because I’ll never need 650hp and now I have a ZL1 and don’t regret it. The moment you hit the gas you’re hit with multiple senses. The exhaust gets loud and as you reach 4-6000 RPM the supercharger whine comes in then the up shift happens and you here the 10 spd transmission make that burst of a sound wave “pop” sound all while visually getting tunnel vision and you come up on everything fast. Don’t regret it period.
That fall was priceless and you didn’t edit it out 😂 good video bro
Lol. Wife dared me to leave it in. 😂
Great content Brad, good information and thought process for interest buyers of Chargers or Challengers .
Definitely agree with you, as a scat pact owner, it is in my opinion a perfect fit for enthusiast driving and road trips. Especially the automatic with the MDS has mileage on the hi-way and interstate actually not to bad.
I hope you’re okay after your slip and tumble.
At least you can fall and still get up.
Has your interior start becoming unglued already cause you bought a crap brand ? Lol
i agree. i factory ordered a 21 sp charger in sept 21. it was delivered to me 02/22. i dont need a hellcat. i wanted something i could drive on a regular basis (except winter). i got it below msrp, and i qualified for 0% for 72 months, so to me, it was a win all around.
Really good advice. I’ve owned a few RTs, two SRTs and a hellcat, and I agree with how dangerous the cat can be. No one thinks it will happen to them but once it does, you better hope it ends well. Another good option for people to consider is getting a 2011-2014 SRT8 392. While its factory tune is “only” 470HP, unlike the 2015 and later years you DON”T need a cracked PCM in order to tune it. For a few hundred bucks you can tune to 500+ HP. (Just stick with the manual because the pre-2015 automatics were not great). You can get a decent SRT8 392 in the mid to high twenties, which is far better than a new Scat for nearly $60k.
I love that you didn't edit the trip & tumble! Love the channel and your integrity
Didn’t think ANYBODY can convince me to NOT get a hellcat. But I think you just did, and not just by saying you can’t afford it, or things are going to be tight. But with FACTS! Thanks man, felt like you were talking to me directly.
Didn't know you liked low quality so much 😂😂 you're going to be on year 3 on that hellcat and the interior falling apart 😂
What’re you talking about? Hellcat low quality?
@@georgeperez6114 they make every car the same fool , hellcat or not , that interior is going to be falling apart by year 3 , that's what low quality is lol
Hi Brad!
That is wise advice! When I ordered my 23 ScatPack widebody Challenger just to have it canceled 12 days later, I found out a couple days after that, had I bought the ScatPack, my Insurance would have gone up $1000. My insurance man told me that it was cheaper to insure my Corvette. Here's proof that everything happens for a reason...
Be SAFE and stay HEALTHY!
John from SoCal
Ya. It’s crazy how the insurance companies hate these Dodge Challengers and Chargers.
Brad, the hard grass landing priceless!! Now to your topic, you are 100% correct, I have the F8 Swinger, & had my choice to buy a Hell Cat, cash paid for, but my nephew that is a finance mgr. in a TN Dodge dealership advised me otherwise & my test drive in both, the Scat Pack is definitely the much, much more usable smarter way to go. Gr8 video, & crash landing, LOL🤣😂🤣😂
You are a good guy for telling these people this important information 4 those who have Fomo😮. This is coming from a 2017 Scat pack shaker owner, Who couldn't be happier and would never trade it or start looking 4 a Hellcat. I am still as happy with it now as I was when I 1st got it.😊
This video made me appreciate my 5.7 so much ❤😂
Another great video. Thank you for taking the time to share your experiences.
With the HC, I would keep it in the lower HP mode if it rains or snows. And I agree, wait this thing out. Wait for interest rates to drop. It will happen. Be patient.
Great videos brother! 👊😎
I love his reaction to the prices the dealers are selling these last calls for and i couldn’t agree more 😂😂😂
Great feedback. You dish out the reality very well.
I love watching you so much and you message about taking life and bouncing back, I got a car after not having a license for 20 years totally ran my life in to a ditch. I love your message so much. Real talk hope you are ok from that fall taping intro
I discovered your channel today, and those last few minutes really resonated with me. Thank you for your humbleness and sincerity. I will listen and watch your other videos on account of your virtuosity, especially when you made sure to emphasize that your message was for the young men among us who might be a bit too rash with their money.
This is a good video I appreciate the wisdom .I’m the audience you’re speaking too. I live in northeast Ohio by Lake Erie it rains constantly and winter ha ..
OC, you're right. I went up against a Redeye WB in my Scat WB and I've never seen a car move that fast; I was fearful for the other driver because he got to the light before I did and I said he MUST go through on the yellow because he has no chance of stopping; I was over a 100mph and I got walked easily. It was fun to see; I wanted to see how fast these HC Redeye's were and they're on a different level. I was told by a technician at the dealership that I made the right decision to go for the Scat WB as opposed to the Hellcat WB; he said you don't need all that power.
I owned 2 SCATPACKS! A Manuel and Auto,narrow and widebody! Just purchased a Hellcat REDEYE Widebody tbh I’ll never go back! Love the REDEYE ! Breathtaking 💪🏾💪🏾
Good advice for many. Thank you for discussing the things that run through minds of car guys all the time. There are not many people we can talk to about this that understand what cars mean to us.
As a 55 year old guy I can say this:
I look back to 1970 and said to myself if I was around back then I would have done whatever it took to get a 426 Hemi Mopar back in 1970.
Nowadays situation, a living legend, a high horsepower Mopar musclecar and I went for it!
A scatpack, if adding supercharger with similar parts cost the same or more than a Redeye if it can even be tuned perfectly, cooling etc.
But, a guy can get a new scat pack AND a used vette for the same money as a new Redeye.
The Redeye has upgrades beyond just more power: That chiller! Beefed up fuel system, axles, converter, factory performance parts, several upgrades included.
A guy can drive high rwhp cars year round in the Northeast, just needs Winter tires.
Hey Brad if you and your family would like to come to Las Vegas for the NASCAR race on October 15th let me know you can come down as my guest
Damn that would be incredible. Sadly I’ve got a conference that week or we’d take you up on that offer!
Had both. Brad is right on many points. The supercharger whine was intoxicating but the power was unusable especially since I never tracked it. Aside from that I live in VA where they force you to pay personal property tax on cars. Let’s just say that tax bill easier to swallow on a scar than a cat.
Hey oCmotivTor
I do enjoy all your videos
Im glad i came across this video.
I have a 2021 scat , debating to trade it in for a hellcat.
All great valid points you said really made me realize. Your right.
I can pull the trigger with the hemet dodge. It will stretch my finances out.
I jus traded my wifes telluride for a 4xe Rubicon.
But i do like the valid points you made a previous hellcat owner.
Dam those 5.0's jus need a little more HP.
I do Love my scat and why would i trade it in with a zero % interest rate.
Brad, I've resisted the urge to buy a Challenger since it's re-introduction in 2008, but I've always admired them. I've done tons of research and watched many videos on these cars. The pragmatic side of me says buy the WB Scat. However, the "cant take it with you" side of me says buy the Hellcat. I'm in a financial position to buy either car without regards to financing. It's like you literally read my mind making this video!! I just don't think I could get my money's worth out of the Hellcat, and as a small businessman, I have to justify all expenditures in a rational way. Also, the wife and I could use a good used suv. (I'm a Toyota and Lexus guy) So if I buy the Scat, I'd have enough leftover to buy the suv. Same thought process as you on this. In any case. I'm holding out to for the decline in prices on ANY vehicle I buy ! Keep up the good work and thanks for sharing your tumble with all of us !!
53 years old… old man!! Ha-Ha . 57 here. Congratulations and Merry Christmas!
Two years ago before all this crazy economy and pricing I bought a Scat Pack Challenger six speed because it is what I wanted, big torque muscle car feel (the tip in roll from a light can't be beat) and now with the spread between them I certainly would even be more inclined to pick this rumbling freight train reminding me of the 60s - 70s muscle cars we were forced to grow up with ;
Wow I was really about to go out and get me a Hellcat until I saw this vid. The scat pack swinger sounds like an excellent choice for me. I’m just gonna cruise and I wanted something unique The Swinger checks all the boxes. Haven’t found any for 60K most around here in Chicago are hoping for 67K
Great advice, I got a nice Rt because I needed a car during the pandemic and can’t wait for an upgrade in a couple years when supply goes up
As usual a great video with the information. Tell u I love my 2020 392 Scatpack challenger . Thank you
Looked at the 2023 392 but the prices just crazy
Excellent video. Solid advice. Most people don't know how to properly drive those cars anyway and to go poor over ANY car doesn't make sense. I OWN my slightly modded 6 Speed Mustang GT. I bought it new in 2018. I paid it off a year and a half later. I'm debt free and want to stay that way. I'm keeping it until it drops, or I do. It's not great on gas but it is better than any Hellcat and Scat Pack. It makes a solid daily driver, and I don't track it. I have access to a Ferrari 488 for track days. BTW, to answer your insurance question: Your insurance went up going from the Charger to the Challenger because Sport Coupes are more expensive to insure than Sport Sedans.
I 100% agree. As a Former Charger Hellcat owner, The Scatpack is a way better daily driver. The only way to keep the Hellcat from spinning & spinning the tires… you have to drive it like a Grandma. Boring. Only drove it 7500 miles in 3 years…. 4000 of those miles were driven the 1st year as a Boring Daily Driver. Last 2 years… weekends only…no rain…above 50 degrees. Spun it from every stop sign…every light 🚦🚥 😎
I have a 22 Hellcat and I do miss my 19 Scat Pack wish I could afford to have both but I do have a great situation where my daily is a company vehicle with gas paid for. I would recommend a Scat Pack to anyone even though I do love my Hellcat and got a great rate on it when I bought it last year. It all comes down to each person’s financial situation and being smart about purchases.
So you wouldn’t mind going back down to a scatpack?
Honestly I would be happy with either one. They both have their own unique traits for sure and the Scat Pack has plenty of performance for the street.
Great video. I'm bringing in 6 figures and NO WAY can I even justify trying to buy one right now.
Still daily driving my old Interceptor. Lol
Same here, i use to own a scatpack when i was barely making money and sold it, now i make six figures and dont even want one anymore, im fine with my toyota
Damn that make sense good speech . Now I understand what you coming from. I not looking for like higher performance like crazy scat pack or hell cats . I would like get regular charger or challenger I don't mind . Just drive normal not crazy like what they doing out there . Like crazy donuts, take over, speed stuff stupid. All is do take care of cars . I know it high payments and insurance.
Thank you for being honest and for the advice.
I'll second the comment about sticking with a Scat Pack. I've had three Challengers so far and started in 2016 with a 5.7/A8 (I actually wanted a pickup, but the wife said I've bought enough of those and to get a car, lol), had that for a couple years and found a nice 2016 Scat Pack / Shaker 6.4/A8. I traded out of the 6.4 to a Hellcat/M6 about two years because I felt that was the end all be all car to have and the wife thought so too. lol We've had fun with it, but the Scat Pack Shaker was/is my favorite out of the bunch. I'm pretty sure the wife thinks that way too. I'm not interested in breaking speed limits, but I like a 0-60 pull once in a while and the Scat was about on par with the HC in that regard. I feel the M6 is a bit slower than the A8 due to the taller gearing, so that may have a bit to do with it. However, you can run 0-60 in first gear with the M6. lol Fun times. I do drive the HC a bit like a grandpa and get around 15mpg driving through town going to/from work with the occasional pull (nothing crazy, just to sprinkle some whine in there). I'd give up the HC and go back to a 6.4/A8 if the right deal came along.
Darn it OCM! Every time i start thinking about getting rid of my 19 challenger Scatpack for a Hellcat....you or RacerX put out a video to the contrary. Lol. I didn't know about the interest rate forecast for next yr. Had cked into a loan but was at 7to9% from 3% not that long ago. Didn't like that at all! Did however ck on insurance for Hellcat, was at $300 every 6mos in Wi. Would hate to pay what your paying! Think I'll just be patient and give it a yr. Thx for the video, was informative.
I am currently doing durability testing for the Demon 170 at work, I drive 400 miles per day on 50/50 fuel which gets 952 HP that way the milage sucks but is the most fun vehicle I have ever driven. So far 24k miles I have put on it. If I could afford it even with my stalantis discout I definitely would. I had to sign a confidentiality agreement and put tape over my phones cameras 😂😂
So you work for the company? Can you clarify something? Is the production of these cars continuing till end of year and going to arrive on dealer lots for sale OR is just pre orders, the final special edition and demons only being done at this point? I've called a few dealers and they basically say the same thing..that there not going to be getting more in to just sit on lots waiting for a sale.
I'm not sure if this is a tactic there saying in order to get me to settle or take what they my have. I missed out on pre ordering
@@charlesstepinski9327 Grain a salt. I worked for Dodge briefly this year and there was no discount for any of the L bodies. They flat out denied that. So maybe he doesnt know, but Dodge does monitor Brad's channel. Heck, they follow me, and Im podunk small, so I have my doubts. But who knows. Not trying to be nasty. Maybe hes doing testing for a JD Powers thing? Id like to know more too.
@@charlesstepinski9327 this man is lying😂😂
@charlesstepinski9327 it's not a tactic, they already told everyone when pre orders end, if u still want this low quality junk see which dealer has allocation still lol
Just not worth the money when your interior is falling apart on the 3rd year of owning and dodge wants 800 to stop they failures 😂
@GreenTense yup , I have friend with 19 scat pack with 70k mileage , he comes to the shop everyday and we laugh at his interior cause everything become unglued and u ca stick your hand in between it and see thru the center console 😂
Dodge wants 800 to replace all the trims pieces that the glue didn't held up on 😂
That was a good spill brad......yea i am 56 with 35+ years of concrete floors and body shops and auto mechanics ect. My knees and ankles do what they want from time to time....and some times it's a blade of grass that puts me face down ass up eating shit...😂.... the struggle is real... now on to the task at hand.........these toys ( hellcats scat packs ect) are great cars. But just because you want one doesn't mean you should have one! They are wants not needs! Society has gotten to the point that common sense is not common...it is i want what i want i don't care what it costs because I have to be like the Joneses you got a scat pack?well i am getting a hellcat! Oh yeah well I am trading in my scat and getting a red eye.blah blah blah.... and it's vanity! It's look at me look at me! Every video of shows you go to i don't see one guy get out of a car with a girl or girlfriend and the girls that are into it they show up with their girl freinds in the car.... and they all think they will be the next you tube sensation with their $1600 apple iPhone 212.... And it works for a little while then it gets old $1800 car payment $500 a month car insurance
$250 oil change $2400 tire bill and you still have to pay for gas and your phone bill where do these ppl live? You can only juggle that for so long.
It's the festival of greed and vanity and it's coming to a screeching halt... with great credit where i am intrest rates are 12%+ for auto loans it's insanity at its finest keep up the great vids Brad 👍 and um watch your step 🤣😂🤣😂🤣
I am looking at picking up a wide body scat manual in plum crazy at some point. I am waiting for this crazy market to go down. It’s a garage piece that I can hand down to the boys when I am gone.
I had a 16 Charger Scat Pack, a few years later I bought a 2016 go Mango Challenger, I feel like the hellcat is a wreck less driving charge waiting to happen. Cool and fun as hell but I feel like I was gonna get in trouble! Scat Pack is fun, and more usable power imho! I typed this while I was watching the video...I guess we feel the same way!!
As soon as you drive it off the lot...it's begins to depreciates...so let the new buyer take the depreciation, and then get a better deal a year or two later...has worked for me with my '19 T/A Scat Pack.
Turned down a terrible offer for a hellcat and purchased a Nissan GTR for far less
That’s rule #1 with Any muscle car, and it was true back in the day, respect the power. Things happen fast in a fast car
Here i am with an 08 Charger SRT8. And im happy with it. With a few mods i have im putting down over 400 to the wheels
I used to run two National Guard Armories… my name was on the checking accounts. I’m good at balancing several budgets. I bought the last call Scat Pack it was the only thing they had. I’m retired and I had an 11k trade in. Just turned 700 miles on mine. 17 mpg and I’ve been sideways so many times it’s crazy looking at 11” rears and 10” fronts… I agree with you and I’ve seen how many that have been crashed, gotta be a real driver to touch these things.
Don’t forget to tell people that even if they buy a scat pack with 485 hp to the crank and those really horrible Perelli tires that they come with you can still lose control if you’re not used to that kind of power and torque. So unless somebody’s been driving 350 hp to 400hp in the pass, do not take off traction control or for that matter do not deactivate stability control because you will regret it. Remember as your approaching 500hp or 700hp everything progressively gets faster and faster. Not to mention these cars are heavy and soft, which will give you a false sense of security.
Some days I really want a Hellcat, but most of the time I really enjoy my narrow body scat. It's mostly an ego thing for me.
Dont do it bro haha keep your scat! I had a built scat i traded in for my redeye and i regret agreeing to this big ass car note. Its def a ego thing! The scat is more than enough fun. Infact i enjoyed dailying my scat more than driving my redeye.
You're right. Thanks for the advise@@notacarguy392
I daily drive mine. I enjoy every second of it.@@notacarguy392
The only reason why I got a scat pack because my first challenger was a v6 and boy it’s a huge upgrade driving my 2021 scat pack 😎
Great content and thanks for always putting in the time for us viewers
In 2017 I snatched a brand new 2016 Charger SRT 392 that simply didn't sell and only had 49 miles on it. The dealer gave it to me $10k below msrp, which i believe was $53k at the time. With prices as high as they are now, there will be a surplus of cars from people refusing to justify forking $100k+ for one and some dealers will be forced to sell below msrp a year later. We'll just have to see!
He telling the truth, wish I would have kept my scat pack, have a hellcat but it paid for last year, brought it 2017 when the prices was $65,000 and a rebate of $3000,had more fun in the scat pack,every sport car I see want to race, for free and the maintenance on the hellcat is greater, intercooler pump went out,$1200,rear shock went out $800, broke a axle $2100, from spinning the tires, and the tires I wasted,$450 apiece MT, change out adleast every 3 months.
Built is a much better way to go… but this advice goes towards almost every experience hobby/ toys…🤷🏾♂️ remember the old saying of “keeping up with the Jones “ but this type of info is called wisdom and most people have to go through it to grow and learn….
im retired been low income for 60 some yrs now i have a once in a life time chance to get a brand new car im gonna do it! but its not gonna be a hellcat the scat pack has plenty of power for me! But a Camaro SS 1LE came of the truck two days a go and man did it look good!im so tempted to buy it but ive never had a red car. Plus im a chevy guy anyway but im looking into a super bee lately. Never owned a dodge and only one ford,
You have a great channel. Our country has always made great muscle cars! I didn’t realize a hellcat had an 800 or so horse power engine, yikes!
I’m in California and I have USAA for my Daytona 392. Best insurance company ever!
As I drove my 2022 jailbreak on stock tires, i was merging onto a highway by turning right I accelerated approximately 40 to 50%, my back end gave out and fishtailed for a good 4-5 seconds. I traded it in for a last call super stock. Still scared to drive the Challenger today.
Get a barton shifter, its so good on a scat pack!!!
The day before Easter in 22 I went in for a Cat, walked out with a special order for a loaded Scat WB Shaker with a Manual.
Paid a little under 60 after dealer rebate and some shucking and jiving.
VERY happy with the car.
Happier still with the tiny payment.
These are secondary collector cars - you should put them on a Hagerty agreed value plan instead of putting them on your main policy. They don't care if it is a SP or a HC, they just go by the insured value.
If it's not your daily driver, go with hagerty classic car insurance. I pay around $850/year, for my 23 scat challenger.
Quite a lot of Scat Packs on the market now, prices all over the map, for the wide body which you want. 60-75k seems to be the range. Looking here for a Swinger package in F8, MSRP 65k, discounts seem to be out there. Hellcats are for the rich boys, fun but crazy expensive.
Back when I had my 2014 Charger RT I really thought I wanted a Hellcat. The RT was a fun car to drive (had the pre-2015 level 3 scat pack) and all, but always left me wanting a little more oomph. My buddy upgraded from his Challenger 392 to a Challenger Hellcat, and I was lusting for one even more. Then I drove it a few times and decided I had no need for that much power on the street. I now have a 2020 Charger scat back with about every upgrade Dodge offers (not a wide body though), and frankly I don't need the HP/TQ this thing has either. I would probably have been fine getting another RT. I mostly drive my Scatpack in eco mode because the rear end is too squirly with the stock 245s on it, sliding out from under it even on bone-dry pavement. I do plan on upgrading to 275 all-season tires (it's my daily), so maybe that will make the extra power more useable on dry roads. 🤷♂️
My buddy with the Hellcat eventually got rid of it after having several traction loss incident, the last one leaving him spun-out on the far side of a grassy median facing on-coming traffic a few feet away. This is a guy who has raced on and off the track for years, so he has driving skills. He was just getting on the highway in the rain, and according to him he didn't do anything silly, was just getting into his lane and lost traction for a second. Scared the $#!+ out of him, to the point where he sold it and went back to an AWD tuner car.
I just visited the dealership I got my 22 6 speed challenger scat pack just to check out the inventory and they had your exact car marked up to 86k 🤦🏾♂️ I asked them about and said they’d be able to knock off a little 😂
I had fomo bad but then I realized there will plenty of them after the last call stops
In 2019, I paid for insurance on my 2018 Charger Hellcat $185 a month. I priced insurance for a 2020 Charger Hellcat $533 a month. Yes, if you're buying a Hellcat, it needs to be your second car. I love fas cars. I like going to the race track.
most people in their 20s cant afford an RT nm a scat or hellcat. im seeing scat packs going for more than i paid for my zl1 lol. but yeah youre right those cars have terrible traction in good weather and are absolutely scary in bad weather.
The money saved going scat over hellcat can make one mean Apache TA that kills cats off the line. Seen people do even better with R/Ts especially with not having to retune.
As always, excellent content sir.
People should seriously look into an R/T too. Locally there's a 2021 with 14k miles for around $33k. Keep the miles low and you could sell it in a year or two for $29k. That's not bad.
I love my 392 in my 2015 Challenger SRT 392. And .... I would be just as happy with a 345ci/5.7L HEMI ..... IF .... I could get the adaptive suspension in the R/T.
It's called coilovers or bags
You could also use the BLACK KEY 500HP same as Scatpack? Red key for track use? Love your channel man🫵🏾✌🏾🙏🏾
I'm Glad, ..Brad that you put this video out. The 'fomo' sort of thing, recently started to get at me. I'm over in Rhode Island, completely opposite end of you. Dealers around here and near Boston that I've called looking for a widebody scat (not even hellcat) don't seem to have many and there all telling me generally the same thing..there not making anymore to just come an sit on lots, that what's being produced now till end of year is the pre orders and the demons, latest special edition. What can you say about this and scat packs ?
Thanks
Listen, 2 scats and 2 HC, all of them manual. I have the WB HC now and by a mile best of the bunch. No comparison to the SPS i had.. All are/ were paid for, so maybe that’s the difference. But pretend a scat is more fun. Just be smart. Have fun out there man 🚀
I feel terrible but I must admit...I did rewind the video a few times to watch the fall....😁. I'm a former Army soldier. Happens to me every so often as well!
On insurance your not lying . I owned an s6 and I have a clean record nothing on it and my full coverage was 350 a month. Owning a sports car isn't cheap . Insurance knows you will romp on it once or twice or 30 times lol
I think Dodge Charger and Dodge Challenger 392 Scat Pack bone stock with 485 HP and daily driver , cheaper option Charger SRT8 392 6.4 Hemi V8 470hp 2011-2014.
this is exactly what i tell my friends who tells me i should upgrade to a hellcat.. im like nope! that new car feel will wear off in 3-5 months MAX .. then you're screwed for years! ill stick to my scat and be just fine.. hellcats are dope though! but my scat is enough for me.
I prefer the scatpack with the shaker hood - they look mean. But they challengers are so common where I live I think I’ll keep my s197 shelby
Nitto 555 g2's are excellent.
I hate when that happens! Great videos!
My SP is $1000 a month, $400 a month to insure. Gas, $75 a day. And I drive my age. I want a HC but I'm also a rational person. I can afford it, doesn't mean it's the best choice.
Oh 💩!!!! Lol hope you didn’t sprain your ankle there! What a way to get our attention! 😂
F’ing flip flop curled down into the grass between the concrete. I literally couldn’t do that again if I tried. Decided to just leave it in. 😂
I’m glad you’re ok - but glad you left it in! That was real!! Flip flops 🩴 can kill a man
@@ocmotivator- leaving it in was hilarious brother.
And we know your pain, north of 40 - it's significantly harder to get up from a fall than it ever was before.
Take care of yourself big dog. 💯
Word! It's only money. I routinely turn money into noise...
challengers ck e bay motors ,all the resale dealers who are trying to flip them , thinking a rich collector wants to pay $220k for a black ghost or $165 k for a super stock or $100k for a sublime green swinger ,most of us are the first in line ,one can buy a 2019 with 5000 miles for a good deal
A USED Cat wit low miles is a wayyyy better option than a new Scat, that’s the way I went. Scats ain’t even got 200 on the dash, even my camaro SS does 😤. You will stay at the gas tank a lot mainly cause the tank is small, $10/day for a hour work drive ain’t bad #🐈🐈🐈
lambo and Ferrerari and Bugotti-sell for what could be also-no one rambles them full throttle either -what could be is a great enticer........
First off your content is great. Second, do you think a 2015 hellcat with 11500 for 54000 out the door a good price?
Don't tell people don't don't be a commander and be controlling as the lead of weight. Be cool with it and get underground to relate.