I own four Smith & Wesson M&P AR15-22s, two of which are Performance Center models. Frankly, they are head and shoulders above the other competitors in their clas. I shoot about a thousand rounds a week through various guns, and compete with rifle, pistol, sporting clays, etc. Three of the four AR15-22s have been seriously modded for various purposes, so the Tippman M4 has stiff competition. The day after my Tiippman M4 arrived, i took it along with seven other guns to a Project Appleseed shoot for our Scouts. When the brand new Tippman's hammer broke on shot #8, I was not impressed. After swapping in a spare CMC trigger from the gearbag, that thing shot lights out. With a real triigger, the Tippman is more accurate than any M&P that i have ever shot. No, it is not a Tikka or a CZ, but I have never seen a semi-auto that is this precise, And there were no other jams, misfeeds or FTFs for the rest of the weekend. This week I will debut it at our Thursday night Steel Speed Shoot vs everyone else's M&Ps to get a real test.
@@aymanjoudar5425 nothing really. The function is the same. The kids like shooting the redline. The redline came with a red dot on it and mine didn't, I had to add it. You could pull up to a competition with either one and dominate.
Different entry point into both rifles. They both represent their price point in my opinion. I don't think the M&P 15-22 in general, is a platform for high end competition shooting. It's something I would buy for my kid to learn on.
You turned me on to Timber Creek accessories. Pardon this potentially dumb question... If I want to replace the factory hand guard on my Tippman M4-22 with the Timber Creek guard, it is a simple matter of removing and replacing... the Tippman barrel nut is not removed? Thanks!
To be fair, MP 14-22 is suitable for plinkers, outdoorsman, newbies and "old folks" like me who doesn't need much technical with guns. Besides, MP 15-22 is affordable, cheap on ammo, plentiful add-ons to choose from, less recoil, light weight and we don't need much accuracy for self defence. We need to remember MP 15-22 can hit anything within 50-100m with certain accuracy ✅ On the other hand, Tippman M4 is for all those all-year round AR15 favorites who love the "real thang" instead of cheap plastic 😅
i agree with you, if this is just for practice and shooting around the yard and you don't care about "quality" then the MP 15-22 is great. If you want it for professional and competition use, then def the Tippmann as its MORE AR15 than the MP.
What the heck? Only 49 subscribers right now? There have already been over 2,000 views of this video. COME ON PEOPLE! Subscribe! This gentleman has GREAT information. He's a truly "straight shooter", so to speak.
Didn't have to grind on mine ( M&P)..to make a new hanguard to fit tight. You do know that the tippmann is more expensive...22lr does not need to have all metal other than Barrel and BCG. Both are great to have pros and cons to both.
I’m running a std mil spec trigger in both builds but will probably put a CMC in the 16” like the one I have in my gas gun, smooth as glass and looks like a standard mil spec trigger
Great video and I agree the Tippman is the best AR in 22LR on the market. I’ve never had a failure with mine, which is surprising given it is almost expected that a 22 will have occasional failures.
My new M&P 15-22 has a squishy plastic safety that pops into the fire position when I put the sling over my shoulder. It doesn’t seem to have a detent to keep it in safe, but has one on fire. I don’t recommend this dangerous toy. Also, I left the plastic magazine in my Jeep one day, and it won’t work anymore if I put more than 6 rounds in (yes, I know they jam if you take the tension off when loading, so that’s not the problem. The plastic warped.
Birds hunter from Thailand fall from the tree with MP15-22. That rifle broken in the middle with 2 pieces broken rifle scope.That shooter is ok without injury.
They sure are, i own a Tippmann M4-22 Elite L and i absolutely love it. The only difference between it and the AR 15 is the calibre. Streets ahead of the M&P 15-22 (i used to own one). The Smith never let me down at all though, (Same with the Tippmann) but it felt like it was made by Fisher-Price from Toys-R-Us. Every control on the Tippmann is functional and it has some heft. It is well worth the extra cost, no question. It comes with two mags included in a polymer hard case unlike the Smith's cardboard box.
Great question!! MP 15-22 lower is a bit wider/thicker than a standard/mil spec lower. In example.. the safety selector, trigger pins won't work from a mil spec. The handguard is a project!! You need a adapter nut from tacticool22 and some Dremel work.. to make it really nice. Those are some of the details. You can check Mag load in UK..they have bunch of 3d printed accessories for the 15-22
I really hope that people know that "tactical" actually means nothing that won't reflect or stand out. Lights and scopes stand out especially in the sun and night. If people actually had to live or need strength from something even if you have to repel 500 feet strait down if yo drop it and have to retrieve it then maybe you don't need skinny polymer. Unless you want to look "tacticool" on a range.
Awesome video I like the bigger charging handle you put on the M&P .. I have been thinking of buying one of these two models lately just because the ammo shortage and have lots of 22 already so I can practice more and save my 223 for coyotes..
It reminds me of the Administrative results last video he’s in a wasteland post apocalyptic style and somebody pops out of the bushes and he’s like hey man you wanna be my partner you wanna be my buddy I have A.R. 15 red anodized parts, lol and he shoots him. Lol . I don’t mind the look it looks pretty sweet When you have a different color charging handle mag release bolt catch Or trigger or all of the above whatever. In fact it actually makes a Rifle less dangerous……
Your going to break your charging handle that doesn't look very sturdy only pulling it from the side with the add on it's bending the whole charging handle to the left..
I shoot at least 300 rds of cheapest, dirtiest ammo (whatever I can find locally) out of my full-metal Tippmann M4-22 Micro Elite every weekend. Even with crappy Remington hollowpoint ammo it is reliable, and dead accurate, and could be my SHTF gun easily. It is very easy to field strip and clean it. I have absolutely no desire to buy plastic M&P 15-22. S&W completely discredited itself by installing stupid magazine disconnectors and spongy hinged triggers on their M&P pistols.
Your right the TIPPMAN is awesome..i love the quality... S&W needs to take some TIPS from TIPPMAN ...dont get me wrong S&W makes quality firearms but on that ar 22 platform TIPPMAM IS KING
3:47 We LOVE this rifle and have done a lot of tournaments with it .... 10:37 Talks shit about it and calls it a TOY from Dicks Sporting goods and asks if SW is watching and listening ... LOL
I know! Plenty of people have very mixed feelings about it. But here is the story... I used to be a competitive shooter and was looking into a color that created exactly those mixed feelings and that calls the attention immediately, either disgust or like. So we went with the color you see. I personally don't care about it nor the sponsors, they just want "eyeballs" on their products. I just one something that is functional and reliable. And that ugly blue, got me the 1st place at Area 6 steel nationals years back on my last pro event. The color is not about my personal preference it's about marketing. Something that the younger (age or experience) shooters looking for sponsors don't understand. Thanks for liking and commenting in our videos! Stay safe.
Why is this even a debate? Just build a dedicated 22lr AR. I don’t even claim to know what I’m doing and I built 2 last year during Covid and only spend about $650 each. Full metal everything, it’s a full blown mil spec AR with a dedicated 22 (no gas) barrel bolt and bolt catch…aside from those 3 every component is mil spec AR To answer the ? Tippman over Smith all day
The Hammerli / HK are made by Umarex Walther to be sold under both brand names. They look cool and tactical, but they don't stand next to the Tippmann. Hammerli /HK feels more like a toy and a "want to be" tactical 22. Then you go to upgrades and you have almost no options. As stated briefly on the video, I have tested & shot for some time, almost every platform of 22lr AR/M4. The top contenders being the S&W and the Tippmannn M4 22 taking the 1st place.
to make it truly right you need to put the catch 22 bolt catch in along with the bore buddy buffer plug. The upper rec is the same but you will want the CMMG charging handle as it doesn’t have the hollow channel in it which prevents the gas from blowing back in your eyes. Any standard AR rail will work and then you get a dedicated 22lr barrel and bolt from either CMMG or Right to Bear and just put it all together like any other AR build. I should probably do a video for the two I built
Walther & HK are Umarex made, in in our opinion they are not up to the level of the Tippmann M4-22 or even the MP 15-22. If you like the style and will NOT do any mods to them.. well yes Get the Walther / HK. But for us is a NO GO!
I have the CMG 22Lr conversion for my AR 15 that works perfectly and shoots very well and it shoots so well when I am changing scopes I use the 22LR converter to site in the new scope because the 22LR and 223 have same point of impact to 80 yards . Buying a new gun to get put of Biden's ATF thuggish goon list is not for me going to happen .
The s&w is not for adults at all in my opinion. What it did for me was train my 8 year old how to run an ar15 before he could handle real weight. It worked like a dream for this purpose then I promptly got rid of that no zero holding cracker jack prize pos. So don't completely discount it it does have a purpose served quite well by the light weight and "toy" feel.
It was the first rifle,I bought at beginning of corona, and I agree, it doesn’t hold zero. I’ve been told because of the plastic. At first it never jammed on me, but now it’s completely unreliable. I was thinking maybe it needs more oil. Whatever the case, you’re 100% right, it’s a p.o.s.
The Tippman is nice but it's WAY more of a headache if you plan on changing ANYTHING Lol Plus, I'll stick with the $20 dollar mags instead of the $50+ dollar mags! Until I actually try 1, I can't say it's crap but still Lol The new micro is interesting tho!! FYI-You know your torquing the shit out of that charging handle, right? Most of "Us" aren't doing what you're doing apparently. I run drills and courses with mine, if I was doing competition, I'd have a COMPLETELY different rifle!!! Lol Hopefully somebody got something useful here, I got to laugh for 10 mins at you making those insane faces Haha What are you doing!??? Lol Thanks for sharing
our local shop has the mags for 24.99! so apparently where you are buying is ripping everyone. The Tippman is as easy to change parts as in any AR Centerfire patform. Not like the S&W, Hammerli, HK, Mossberg etc ones...
I don't feel like this was an honest review or comparison. A lot of what you said was half-truths and some complete lie. For that you get fanboy status
I'm so glad you have all the colorful accessories! The wife would love this!!
I own four Smith & Wesson M&P AR15-22s, two of which are Performance Center models. Frankly, they are head and shoulders above the other competitors in their clas. I shoot about a thousand rounds a week through various guns, and compete with rifle, pistol, sporting clays, etc. Three of the four AR15-22s have been seriously modded for various purposes, so the Tippman M4 has stiff competition.
The day after my Tiippman M4 arrived, i took it along with seven other guns to a Project Appleseed shoot for our Scouts. When the brand new Tippman's hammer broke on shot #8, I was not impressed. After swapping in a spare CMC trigger from the gearbag, that thing shot lights out. With a real triigger, the Tippman is more accurate than any M&P that i have ever shot. No, it is not a Tikka or a CZ, but I have never seen a semi-auto that is this precise, And there were no other jams, misfeeds or FTFs for the rest of the weekend. This week I will debut it at our Thursday night Steel Speed Shoot vs everyone else's M&Ps to get a real test.
How did the tiippman do compared to the S&W? Need that update 😂
That directly contradicts whats described in the video, about flawless work of the vanilla gun.
I have the performance center version of the S&W, with the 18” threaded barrel. I’m very happy with it.
great honest video mate im going for the tippmann :D
I have the m4-22 Pro and the redline. They are both amazing for any shooter. Tippmann for the win.
Other than the flare, what is the difference between the redline and Elite or pro??
@@aymanjoudar5425 nothing really. The function is the same. The kids like shooting the redline. The redline came with a red dot on it and mine didn't, I had to add it. You could pull up to a competition with either one and dominate.
This is what I like to hear as a new .22 shooter coming to the sport, Tippmann is the best!
In my country (CZ) MP cost between $850-$990 depends on market. Tip M4-22 Elite cost same as Pro. $990-$1070
Different entry point into both rifles. They both represent their price point in my opinion. I don't think the M&P 15-22 in general, is a platform for high end competition shooting. It's something I would buy for my kid to learn on.
Where did you get the hand guard for the Tippmann M4-22?
Resilient Arms sells a nice aluminum charging handle for the Tippmann now.
10:37 -----> says the GUY that has powder blue on his "manly" AR15 LOL
Get rid of that bubble gum blue mods!!,looks atrocious.
It's more of a baby blue
It’s theft deterrent blue.
I owned the plastic POS once. I currently own a Tippmann. It is far better than the M&P.
You turned me on to Timber Creek accessories. Pardon this potentially dumb question... If I want to replace the factory hand guard on my Tippman M4-22 with the Timber Creek guard, it is a simple matter of removing and replacing... the Tippman barrel nut is not removed? Thanks!
Yes it is very simple. You need to use the barrel nut for your new hanguard but will reuse the barrel locking shims on the tippmann
Outstanding review!!! Thank you!!!
Glad you liked it!
To be fair, MP 14-22 is suitable for plinkers, outdoorsman, newbies and "old folks" like me who doesn't need much technical with guns.
Besides, MP 15-22 is affordable, cheap on ammo, plentiful add-ons to choose from, less recoil, light weight and we don't need much accuracy for self defence. We need to remember MP 15-22 can hit anything within 50-100m with certain accuracy ✅
On the other hand, Tippman M4 is for all those all-year round AR15 favorites who love the "real thang" instead of cheap plastic 😅
i agree with you, if this is just for practice and shooting around the yard and you don't care about "quality" then the MP 15-22 is great.
If you want it for professional and competition use, then def the Tippmann as its MORE AR15 than the MP.
What the heck? Only 49 subscribers right now? There have already been over 2,000 views of this video. COME ON PEOPLE! Subscribe! This gentleman has GREAT information. He's a truly "straight shooter", so to speak.
It’s the power blue🥺
Didn't have to grind on mine ( M&P)..to make a new hanguard to fit tight. You do know that the tippmann is more expensive...22lr does not need to have all metal other than Barrel and BCG. Both are great to have pros and cons to both.
Not all triggers fit the tippmann m4 22. I modified the trigger tech flat adjustable red comp trigger, it is sensational!
I’m running a std mil spec trigger in both builds but will probably put a CMC in the 16” like the one I have in my gas gun, smooth as glass and looks like a standard mil spec trigger
I installed a 2.5lb. flat faced CMC trigger in my Tippmann micro pistol. Perfect fit!
Best option is to build dedicated 22lr using cmmg parts and actual ar parts
GREAT Vid! Any ammo recommendations for the Tippmann M4-22?
Great video and I agree the Tippman is the best AR in 22LR on the market. I’ve never had a failure with mine, which is surprising given it is almost expected that a 22 will have occasional failures.
Tippman is the best. Feels more solid, like a real AR 5.56. The M&P feels cheap like a plastic toy (even tough is a good .22 LR rifle).
My new M&P 15-22 has a squishy plastic safety that pops into the fire position when I put the sling over my shoulder. It doesn’t seem to have a detent to keep it in safe, but has one on fire.
I don’t recommend this dangerous toy.
Also, I left the plastic magazine in my Jeep one day, and it won’t work anymore if I put more than 6 rounds in (yes, I know they jam if you take the tension off when loading, so that’s not the problem. The plastic warped.
Maybe get with Smith and let then know, they'll probably fix for free. And get a new mag 😂
No comparison. Tippman..even against my Colt M4 22lr. The Tippman is the no.1.
Birds hunter from Thailand fall from the tree with MP15-22. That rifle broken in the middle with 2 pieces broken rifle scope.That shooter is ok without injury.
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What's up with the powder blue? Makes a solid rifle look like a little girls toy gun.
It looks like they can be a lot of fun to shoot at the shooting range.
IT IS!!!
They sure are, i own a Tippmann M4-22 Elite L and i absolutely love it. The only difference between it and the AR 15 is the calibre. Streets ahead of the M&P 15-22 (i used to own one). The Smith never let me down at all though, (Same with the Tippmann) but it felt like it was made by Fisher-Price from Toys-R-Us. Every control on the Tippmann is functional and it has some heft. It is well worth the extra cost, no question. It comes with two mags included in a polymer hard case unlike the Smith's cardboard box.
Great video.
Glad you enjoyed it
is that a lefty ? or did you shoot this video flipped?
Question, the website for the Ar-22. Will them products fit the M&P 15-22. I’m having a hard time finding anything to upgrade my gun.
Great question!! MP 15-22 lower is a bit wider/thicker than a standard/mil spec lower. In example.. the safety selector, trigger pins won't work from a mil spec. The handguard is a project!! You need a adapter nut from tacticool22 and some Dremel work.. to make it really nice. Those are some of the details. You can check Mag load in UK..they have bunch of 3d printed accessories for the 15-22
Tested: Triggertech drop-in triggers doesn't work with Tippmann.
THANKS FOR THAT INFO.
I really hope that people know that "tactical" actually means nothing that won't reflect or stand out. Lights and scopes stand out especially in the sun and night.
If people actually had to live or need strength from something even if you have to repel 500 feet strait down if yo drop it and have to retrieve it then maybe you don't need skinny polymer. Unless you want to look "tacticool" on a range.
Awesome video I like the bigger charging handle you put on the M&P .. I have been thinking of buying one of these two models lately just because the ammo shortage and have lots of 22 already so I can practice more and save my 223 for coyotes..
I love the M4, i own one but...............what is that powder blue all about?????? NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
Blue is for bany boy, Inthinknthey shoukd have a pink one.
Definitive speakers in the back?! Nice rifles too!
I'm sorry bro but you ruined that Tippmann with the powder blue. On the other hand love what you did to the 15-22!
Right
It reminds me of the Administrative results last video he’s in a wasteland post apocalyptic style and somebody pops out of the bushes and he’s like hey man you wanna be my partner you wanna be my buddy I have A.R. 15 red anodized parts, lol and he shoots him. Lol . I don’t mind the look it looks pretty sweet When you have a different color charging handle mag release bolt catch Or trigger or all of the above whatever. In fact it actually makes a Rifle less dangerous……
yea that blue is .... girl blue
Without a doubt
Who cares? It's his gun
Your going to break your charging handle that doesn't look very sturdy only pulling it from the side with the add on it's bending the whole charging handle to the left..
Sounds like you are sponsored by tippmann Arms
I have had a cmmg for over 10 years and it is a blast to shoot. the open mag on the s&w turned me off
Gracias primo great video hermano
great video
Glad you enjoyed it
I have been looking ar the ar22 platform vs my 1022. What about a comparison between tippman arms vs ar22 build uppers or RTB uppers.
Do you Know what I mean Vern?
Is it unable to accept a standard ar15 charging handle?
Is that a left handed rifle or did camera reverse the image?
I was wondering the same thing
Camera reversed
Camera reversed, the M&P are reversed on the receiver.
I shoot at least 300 rds of cheapest, dirtiest ammo (whatever I can find locally) out of my full-metal Tippmann M4-22 Micro Elite every weekend. Even with crappy Remington hollowpoint ammo it is reliable, and dead accurate, and could be my SHTF gun easily. It is very easy to field strip and clean it.
I have absolutely no desire to buy plastic M&P 15-22.
S&W completely discredited itself by installing stupid magazine disconnectors and spongy hinged triggers on their M&P pistols.
Your right the TIPPMAN is awesome..i love the quality... S&W needs to take some TIPS from TIPPMAN ...dont get me wrong S&W makes quality firearms but on that ar 22 platform TIPPMAM IS KING
Drum?
3:47
We LOVE this rifle and have done a lot of tournaments with it ....
10:37
Talks shit about it and calls it a TOY from Dicks Sporting goods and asks if SW is watching and listening ... LOL
What handguard did you use on the M&P15-22?
Nice video. Thank you and sorry but can only laugh at the girly powder-puff blue gun
I know! Plenty of people have very mixed feelings about it. But here is the story... I used to be a competitive shooter and was looking into a color that created exactly those mixed feelings and that calls the attention immediately, either disgust or like. So we went with the color you see. I personally don't care about it nor the sponsors, they just want "eyeballs" on their products. I just one something that is functional and reliable. And that ugly blue, got me the 1st place at Area 6 steel nationals years back on my last pro event. The color is not about my personal preference it's about marketing. Something that the younger (age or experience) shooters looking for sponsors don't understand. Thanks for liking and commenting in our videos! Stay safe.
Why is this even a debate? Just build a dedicated 22lr AR. I don’t even claim to know what I’m doing and I built 2 last year during Covid and only spend about $650 each. Full metal everything, it’s a full blown mil spec AR with a dedicated 22 (no gas) barrel bolt and bolt catch…aside from those 3 every component is mil spec AR
To answer the ? Tippman over Smith all day
Any intelligent person using it to shoot competitive would build there own I held a tippmann 22lr and it felt like a cheap toy
How do these compare to the hammerli tac r1.
The Hammerli / HK are made by Umarex Walther to be sold under both brand names. They look cool and tactical, but they don't stand next to the Tippmann. Hammerli /HK feels more like a toy and a "want to be" tactical 22. Then you go to upgrades and you have almost no options. As stated briefly on the video, I have tested & shot for some time, almost every platform of 22lr AR/M4. The top contenders being the S&W and the Tippmannn M4 22 taking the 1st place.
Hey,
I have a couple AR lowers. Could I build an AR22 upper using TIPPMANN parts?
Thx!
Look at the Bear Creek Arsenal 22 upper. Goes right on AR lower.
to make it truly right you need to put the catch 22 bolt catch in along with the bore buddy buffer plug. The upper rec is the same but you will want the CMMG charging handle as it doesn’t have the hollow channel in it which prevents the gas from blowing back in your eyes. Any standard AR rail will work and then you get a dedicated 22lr barrel and bolt from either CMMG or Right to Bear and just put it all together like any other AR build. I should probably do a video for the two I built
10.22 556 arch angel vs all nothing can be customized like the 10.22
That powder blue🤦🏻♂️
Do they make a drum magazine for tippmann arm?
Not to my knowledge
@@valortec thx
Are they left handed set ups
Looks like the video is arse about face, look at the turrets on the scope.
Ya know he looks like rob Schneider 😂😂😂
Walthers version seems really nice better
Walther & HK are Umarex made, in in our opinion they are not up to the level of the Tippmann M4-22 or even the MP 15-22. If you like the style and will NOT do any mods to them.. well yes Get the Walther / HK. But for us is a NO GO!
TIPPMANN ARMS M4-22 costs are much as a real AR 15. No Thank you
Say Tippmann m4 is the best
I despise video that is mirrored left - right.
There’s no excuse for,the failure rate of the M&P, but EVERYBODY does NOT like that baby blue! It’s god awful and belongs on the toy gun, the M&P.
NOT A AR15 FAN Unless its chambered in a 12 Gauge
I have the CMG 22Lr conversion for my AR 15 that works perfectly and shoots very well and it shoots so well when I am changing scopes I use the 22LR converter to site in the new scope because the 22LR and 223 have same point of impact to 80 yards .
Buying a new gun to get put of Biden's ATF thuggish goon list is not for me going to happen .
Way too long of an intro just my opinion but otherwise, good stuff!
how would you compare the tippman against the hk416d
HK/Walther/Hammerli are the same product and made by UMAREX. I love Walther Arms and its no secret, but in this case Tippmann has the win and by much!
Chalk and cheese.
12-22p
The s&w is not for adults at all in my opinion. What it did for me was train my 8 year old how to run an ar15 before he could handle real weight. It worked like a dream for this purpose then I promptly got rid of that no zero holding cracker jack prize pos. So don't completely discount it it does have a purpose served quite well by the light weight and "toy" feel.
It was the first rifle,I bought at beginning of corona, and I agree, it doesn’t hold zero. I’ve been told because of the plastic. At first it never jammed on me, but now it’s completely unreliable. I was thinking maybe it needs more oil. Whatever the case, you’re 100% right, it’s a p.o.s.
The Tippman is nice but it's WAY more of a headache if you plan on changing ANYTHING Lol Plus, I'll stick with the $20 dollar mags instead of the $50+ dollar mags! Until I actually try 1, I can't say it's crap but still Lol The new micro is interesting tho!! FYI-You know your torquing the shit out of that charging handle, right? Most of "Us" aren't doing what you're doing apparently. I run drills and courses with mine, if I was doing competition, I'd have a COMPLETELY different rifle!!! Lol Hopefully somebody got something useful here, I got to laugh for 10 mins at you making those insane faces Haha What are you doing!??? Lol Thanks for sharing
our local shop has the mags for 24.99! so apparently where you are buying is ripping everyone. The Tippman is as easy to change parts as in any AR Centerfire patform. Not like the S&W, Hammerli, HK, Mossberg etc ones...
Just bought Tippman mags for 24.95 at Resilient Arms
I don't feel like this was an honest review or comparison. A lot of what you said was half-truths and some complete lie. For that you get fanboy status
That AR is just plain ugly.