Great job HFD, rapidly getting an adequate topside ventilation hole cut!!! Love it when crews know what their job is and they get it done! These old houses even though they are small were built back when houses were built solid!!! Again great job HFD!
It was obvious the attic was near flash over before the vertical roof ventilation. I think the smart thing was to ventilate to protect the fire fighters operating inside the building. IMO.
You didnt need to put guys on the roof in the first place with fire under their feet. If you look at at the wind direction they could have cut a hole in the front gable end which would have had the same effect and you would not have endangered the guys on the roof for no reason.
Hardly. They turned the whole house into a 'chimney' by cutting holes in the roof. Yet another US Fire Department that urgently needs training in modern fire fighting procedures. They need to watch this training video about ventilation and what not what to do: ua-cam.com/video/DUkGniHP-mE/v-deo.html
I want to be a Firefighter and put out fires, rescue people from burning buildings, drive a Fire Truck and wear boots, pants, coat, hood, gas mask and helmet
Guess yall missed the audio of district 20 checking on scene right 18s did. Not sure why yall feel the need to bash saying she was remote. She wasn't. Listen around the 310 mark.
Going up on the roof without sounding it not good. There are videos of firefighters falling through the roof into heavy fire. Look up the Fresno CA firefighter that fell through the roof even sounding the roof he still fell in.
I cannot understand why they do it. They seemed more worried about going on the roof than actually putting some water on the fire that was already venting towards the back of the building. An old roof like that vents well enough as it is .Any good interior crew with a hoseline and thermal image camera should be able to make good progress inside. Stay safe guys.
fuck that.. the structure is a loss.. 7:00 i would deploy the tower, and go defensive. The search for victims came negative, the attic is sagging and you have fire above. There is no longer any reason to be inside. Good knock down either way. The standard issue youtube firefighter.
the whole point of cutting the hole was to lift up the smoke and compartmentalize the fire now that the path of least resistance. Yes venting causes the fire to grow and get hotter, but that’s why we coordinate with interior attack crew before we just start cutting holes.
+why when i watch american firefighters they do nothing but walk around admiring the fire.always feeding it by letting air into it.opening roof to let it burn.water kills firelast thing on there mind.
If all of those guys in half their safety gear, standing around and taking photos, geared up and went inside it would be put out. Roof ventilation is only good if there's crews inside to put it out.
So command isnt on scene and is taking info from visuals. Pointless, let a Captain take lead as he would have visuals and hearing on site compared to someone's judgment from 13miles away. Might get a promotion if all goes well
It looks like there is an attack team already inside with a 1 3/4" hand line. Generally, an incident commander will not put water on top of an attack team. It can cause a ceiling or roof to collapse. The interior team would likely be using a pike pole to tear out the ceiling and direct a stream into the attic at the 9:40 point. It also helps to drive the fire outward rather than inward.
you don't put water on the fire from the outside while teams are inside.. it would push the fire down on top of them.. also they were pushing the fire from the back out to the front of the house.. normally you don't want to move the fire towards where you made entry but sometimes it just happens.. if it does happen you want to make sure you've got another way out for the interior crews incase of a collapse.
@@joshuagriffin6477 They couldn't replicate it in the experiment. That's a far cry from proving that a hose stream doesn't push fire. Wrap around event is a reality, and that's one of the manifestations of pushing fire. Hose streams are not merely water, but also the air entrained with the steam. If you've ever been opposite a stream you know that horse streams, like any other source of pressure, can push fire.
I don't now how long the other truck was there, but it seemed like it took them a helluva long time before any actual water was applied. Don't see why they were climinbg on the roof without hoses.
Seems like a awful lot of confusion among crews as where to go with hose lines! First, went to back and side of house, then came back to front, then didn’t show any water flowing to attic vents where ferocious flames were shooting 15 ft from vents! Did not see any command. Personal. Direction, or leadership! Where’s the freaking Guidelines on how to attack a structure fire? And this was a one story residence, luckily, it wasn’t an multiple story apartment it would have been a catrophe!
Sorry, but your FIRST priority is fighting the fire, not getting video. It's one thing if there's a dash cam, but taking the time to reposition the camera (even if it's a few seconds) shows a lack of priority.
Piss poor job, five minutes to get water through the front door. Once they open the roof stand around and look at the Fire who would ever think to come down the ladder take out the side windows let some of the pressure off. Certainly it wasn’t in the morons mind holding to pick at it. Ask that could’ve done it. No wonder they were from Texas. John
I’m in the attic they haven’t got through the front door yet you’re moron park the ladder truck as far as ways you can who would ever think. I put it in that small parking lot right next to the building piss poor job, Donald horizontal vent light let the men roast in there that’s right they’re not roast and they haven’t gone in yet.
5:50 You see the blast furnace of flames coming out the roof. If they were coming from the first floor, that would be great but they weren't. The release of attic pressure allowed the fire at the left rear to get sucked into the attic not heat and smoke from the interior. The gasses in the attic were ignited by those flames creating Much more pressure inside the attic. Look at the smoke pouring out the gable end vent. If the hole was creating a high pressure release to the outside and making the gasses inside go out the hole, why is there still smoke belching out the gable end vent and even increasing in velocity? That roof hole can somehow remove gasses from the lower level through a hole in the ceiling but can't suck in air from the gable end which is in the same space? More fire more pressure, not less. Three grown men walking around on the roof of a burning building while they allow the Visible Burning Material to Burn and threaten the interior of the house. The engine was there before we get to see the scene but they didn't extinguish the visible fire until 4:45. They LET the fire get bigger and penetrate deep while they Played Hero on the roof. 5:40 they ventilate the roof and the Supposed Interior crew Never go water into the attic to extinguish the fire. They LET it burn through the attic and out the front of the house. The ignorance displayed here should be clearly evident to any thinker and only The Star Struck fans will see a competent job. This is what they should have done and didn't. 1. FAST. Stop the engine and pull a preconnected hose, preferably a Booster line on a reel so you can pull out Just what you need instead of 300 feet like they did, and head down the left side to the FIRE! The Visible Burning Material. 2. SAFE. From the exterior, extinguish all the Visible Burning Material through the window. Stay of the roof of a Burning Building! 3. When all the visible fire is out, break out windows opposite that room on the right side so the wind coming from the left will blow the smoke through the house and out the downwind/right side and extinguish and fire seen. 4. Ventilate with extinguishment. Open the front door and then the back door so there is a horizontal flow of air though the house. Which ever door shows the most release of pressure, go in the other door and march through the house extinguishing and cooling. 5. Attic. As you move through the house longitudinally, open a small hole in the ceiling to look for fire. If you see it, insert a nozzle with a wide cone of water and wave it around. Move toward the other end and do that again until the attic is extinguished. No lives risked on the roof and the fire wasn't ALLOWED to burn longer or Better at any time. Hey but who am I? Was I there? Was I a fire fighter? I'm just a keyboard troll, right? My words don't seem logical or comin from common sense, right? Would my words be More believable if I said I was a retired Captain from the FDNY? They shouldn't. The words are words. You understand what they mean or you don't. Star struck people can't see reality. They can only see what they Want to see. If this performance was brought to you by the people at the FDNY, you would be on your knees bowing to them and you know it. Even if you just saw You house destroyed by THEM!
There was already a working fire in the attic before the hole was cut. That much smoke pumping from the attic means there's a fire already, and it's likely that there was a section of drywall down, or a rotted area of ship lap that permitted extension already. Extinguishment from the exterior is a defensive tactic entirely unsuitable to this fire. A knockdown is probably what you mean, and that is an entirely different tactic. The roof of those structures is suited to vertical ventilation. Your approach to ventilating that structure prior to proper extinguishment (which is what you get with hitting it from the windows most of the time) is recipe for extending the fire. You don't know what is in there simply from looking in windows. There are plenty of compartments in houses that are not visible from windows, and knocked down fire (which is what you'll really be doing with your "safe" window firefighting) quickly builds back. You will not put out a working attic fire in a structure like this from the ground. Pull ceiling, knock down what you see, throw a ladder and get into the attic. I don't know how many working fires you've made, but your tactics are not practical on the fireground in structures like this. There were problems with their attack, but your solutions are anything but.
@@raystinsky Trying to get through to you is getting tiring so this is for other readers. K.I.S.S. I will use this fire as a reference. Keep this in mind. Everything they did here is ignorant. The Visible fire at the left rear is threatening the interior of the structure. The fire has gotten into the attack and possibly the room at the left rear. 1. You pull a hose directly to the fire and extinguish it. No more radiant heat from the exterior to penetrate Into the structure. 2. Look in the windows. If you do see fire, break the window and extinguish the flames and soak the room so the fire doesn't rekindle any time soon. The pressure will release away from the interior and the temperature will drop by 1000 degrees when the flames are gone. 3. A second line has done the same thing around the other side until all Visible Burning Material has been extinguished. 4. The wind is blowing gently from the back to the front and the LR crew can go to the back door. The smoke and pressure inside the attic is blowing out the front gable end vent. The second line can move to the front of the house. When everybody is ready, the front crew opens the front door and then the back door is opened. Any pressure near the front door will exit that way and the wind blowing from the rear will help to push the smoke out the front door. 5. The rear crew goes inside and extinguishes any fire they see. Then they open the ceiling and insert a nozzle opened top a 50% cone and wave it around to cover the entire rear area of the attic. Then they move through the house repeating this sequence until the main floor and attic are extinguished. 6. In a house this small, it would be easy to put a fan at the back door and blow all the smoke out the front door and through the attic. Then all the windows can be opened to vent and ceilings pulled to check the attic. Simple, quick and safe and no ridiculous roof work.
@@JB91710 Your tactics are going to end up hurting someone. Especially running your ventilation operation from the burned side to the unburned with the second line at the vent point after dousing visible fire from the outside, which is a sure way to leave other areas burning in a house. While you're screwing around going window to window to make sure no scary fire is still working, search isn't being conducted and the fire is gaining headway. You are greatly overestimating the danger of interior attack. I don't care what kind of cone you decide to use, you don't extinguish attic fires from the ground. That attic is not sealed off enough to permit steam conversion to do the job. It's not a compartment in a ship. As an initial knock down, it's fine to hit fire from the ground, but you have to follow up quickly by getting into the attic. You won't cover the entire area of that attic by hitting it from the ground through holes in the ceiling. I don't care how much you work that nozzle. I guess you could pull the entire ceiling, but that's a lot of wasted effort to avoid throwing a ladder. I've had to get people like you out of the way time and again to put in crews that understand this. One good hole in the ceiling with a firefighter on a ladder will probably give you quick access to the whole thing barring some unusual modification. That's basic. Trying to change terminology in use is a fool's errand. A,B,C,D work fine. You adjust to the fire service, it doesn't adjust to you. Far greater minds than yours (Dunn, Norman, Brunacini) use it without complaint, so maybe the problem there is you. Consider that. There are legitimate criticisms of the operations on this fire, but nothing that can't be hammered out in a post mortem.
@@raystinsky Ok, you've confirmed it. You are an idiot or a 12 year old! Did you NOT read the parts about putting the fire out as you go? Did you Not read the parts about the line on the other side of the house hitting all the windows? Do you want to enter the front door with the wind blowing the fire through the house into your face? Do you want the attic fire burning over your head at the same time? Take down Tesla's photo. You don't deserve to have it up there. Smarten up!
@@JB91710 That's Salvador Dali. I didn't say to enter from the front door. I criticized your decision to have two opposing lines. You're wasting your time moving from window to window. Entering from Bravo or Charlie is fine. Putting another line at Alpha and having them open vent points opposite the fire is not. Even hitting the fire in the B/C corner from the exterior before moving in is fine. Probably even the best bet. A second line entering along with the first line makes sense. Not taking chances with the wind by entering on the windward side is fine. Trying to put out fire around corners with the window to window tactic or your ineffective "open a hole and use a 50 degree cone" . No, in this case, I'm really not worried immediately about the attic fire. I've worked under many attic fires. It's not urgent to the point that you can't deal with the fire in the living areas before getting up into the attic. Using a ladder. Extinguishing a working house fire requires working the nozzle. That sort of action does push fire. Anyone who's seen wraparound effect firsthand or had some window warrior turn an exterior line on him knows this. Knocking the fire down using the reset tactics described by UL is entirely different to extinguishing the fire as you're describing it. But if the ceiling isn't intact (entirely possible at this fire) then your reset won't work. If it does work, visibility will be shot to hell. That's real world, first hand experience speaking. It might be worth it depending on the circumstances. At this fire, there's no need to go window to window, and the windows on the leeward side need to remain intact until you've got the fire out.
I can never understand why you have such large numbers in the wrecking crews to cut hoes in the roof to make the fire bigger and hardly anyone using hoses to put the fire out!
you have obviously never attended any fire training. The reason to cut the roof, is to vent smoke and protect firemen entering the burning structure. The object is to release as much smoke as possible to try and assist the working firemen inside.
It allows the hot gasses, smoke and fire to go up and out instead of just rolling on the ceiling, spreading the fire out. Hot air rises, when you get it out, it slows the spread and makes it safer (not to mention greatly improving visibility by removing smoke).
Olaf van Toor Hi Olaf. Looking at the color of the smoke and the intensity, this is common practice to open up at a high point above the fire area to help the heat and gasses escape. This clears the interior environment and reduces the temperature enough inside to make it better for not only the interior operations, but may also help survivability for trapped victims. It also reduces the conditions that create backdrafts and flashovers.
Watch this video, to see what ventilating does to fire behaviour. Thankfully recent You Tube US fire fighting videos are showing US fire departments are transitioning from the traditional must ventilate procedures to modern procedures used in most world where ventilation is not used very often if at all... ua-cam.com/video/DUkGniHP-mE/v-deo.html You see US fire departments using traditional procedures and ventilating all the time, and as a result the buildings burn down....
Poorly coordinated ventilation is a problem. Proper vertical ventilation redirects the fire extension and makes the attack much easier. PPV works great, too. You just have to know what you're doing, and if you listen to trained firefighters who have spent their time in academies, colleges, and offices instead of trained and experienced firefighters who have been in the streets at busy houses, you will be less effective.
Every room in every house has a window. You can SEE through windows to see if there is fire in the room. Open the windows that show fire and hit them from the outside. The temperature inside drops by 1000 degrees the second the flames are gone and the pressurized gasses inside will exit to the exterior. The pressure inside the house will flow toward the windows. Therefore, the fire will not extend deeper into it so victims are protected along with the structure. No need to be crawling under hot fuel at all. By the time you enter, the heat has left the building. Not much Heroism doing it this way but it Does Get The JOB Done quicker and safer. Remember, fire fighters have families they are RESPONSIBLE for. They don't get to Play Hero and do Unnecessarily dangerous things to Get Off! Or, if they Aren't doing things like Vertical Venting to get off and they are doing them because they were Told they work, then they need to start asking if there are safer ways to accomplish the goal.
Great job HFD, rapidly getting an adequate topside ventilation hole cut!!! Love it when crews know what their job is and they get it done! These old houses even though they are small were built back when houses were built solid!!! Again great job HFD!
I am missing something. What did they do right
Keep up the good work
Whoever does the camera work, nice job of keeping house in frame - Nice work Ladder 18
Truck guys had that vented fast...great Truck work.
This video really brought out the hobbyists and desk jockeys.
Good to see at least ONE US FD have their crew suited and geared up, when they reach the fire scene. Good video, too. Be safe.
Suited up and ready to work. A good lesson for more departments.
It was obvious the attic was near flash over before the vertical roof ventilation. I think the smart thing was to ventilate to protect the fire fighters operating inside the building. IMO.
You didnt need to put guys on the roof in the first place with fire under their feet.
If you look at at the wind direction they could have cut a hole in the front gable end which would have had the same effect and you would not have endangered the guys on the roof for no reason.
👍👍🔥🔥🔥Nice work 18s🔥🔥🔥
Hardly. They turned the whole house into a 'chimney' by cutting holes in the roof. Yet another US Fire Department that urgently needs training in modern fire fighting procedures.
They need to watch this training video about ventilation and what not what to do: ua-cam.com/video/DUkGniHP-mE/v-deo.html
I want to be a Firefighter and put out fires, rescue people from burning buildings, drive a Fire Truck and wear boots, pants, coat, hood, gas mask and helmet
Gotta love UA-cam firefighters
Just because you don't understand them...………………………..
Yeah you do I always tell them either gear up and step up or shut the fuck up.
@@Brian13549 Amen
They are usually good for a laugh, especially ole JB 🤡
I think ladder 18 is there display model,
Guess yall missed the audio of district 20 checking on scene right 18s did. Not sure why yall feel the need to bash saying she was remote. She wasn't. Listen around the 310 mark.
excellent Q work
From this pov, you can feel the adrenaline going already.
Going up on the roof without sounding it not good. There are videos of firefighters falling through the roof into heavy fire. Look up the Fresno CA firefighter that fell through the roof even sounding the roof he still fell in.
I cannot understand why they do it. They seemed more worried about going on the roof than actually putting some water on the fire that was already venting towards the back of the building. An old roof like that vents well enough as it is .Any good interior crew with a hoseline and thermal image camera should be able to make good progress inside. Stay safe guys.
@@andyoxleyonhistravels
Your words proving once again you have never been a firefighter 🤣
@@virgilhilts3924 lmao🤡
@@andyoxleyonhistravels
Why yes you are a laughable clown 👍
@@virgilhilts3924 lmao🤡
10 minutes now still no steam conversion. Finally he’s mentioned let’s get some water on it. This poor
Way to sound that roof before climbing on to it. Not one but three guys go up. Not a single one sounds it.
fuck that.. the structure is a loss.. 7:00 i would deploy the tower, and go defensive. The search for victims came negative, the attic is sagging and you have fire above. There is no longer any reason to be inside. Good knock down either way. The standard issue youtube firefighter.
"Got fire in attic" over the radio. I could've told you that once you cut that hole and gave it oxygen.
the whole point of cutting the hole was to lift up the smoke and compartmentalize the fire now that the path of least resistance. Yes venting causes the fire to grow and get hotter, but that’s why we coordinate with interior attack crew before we just start cutting holes.
+why when i watch american firefighters they do nothing but walk around admiring the fire.always feeding it by letting air into it.opening roof to let it burn.water kills firelast thing on there mind.
watching it burn WTF
sorry but fucking useless
here in uk.water before anything.
get it right
If all of those guys in half their safety gear, standing around and taking photos, geared up and went inside it would be put out. Roof ventilation is only good if there's crews inside to put it out.
Don’t you see all the lines stretched into the building? Only so many people can fit in a house at one time.
So command isnt on scene and is taking info from visuals. Pointless, let a Captain take lead as he would have visuals and hearing on site compared to someone's judgment from 13miles away. Might get a promotion if all goes well
Nice work 18’s. Somebody needs to chill out on the comms. Holy shit at the IC never shutting the hell up.
Why not start hitting the top front at 9:40?
It looks like there is an attack team already inside with a 1 3/4" hand line. Generally, an incident commander will not put water on top of an attack team. It can cause a ceiling or roof to collapse. The interior team would likely be using a pike pole to tear out the ceiling and direct a stream into the attic at the 9:40 point. It also helps to drive the fire outward rather than inward.
you don't put water on the fire from the outside while teams are inside.. it would push the fire down on top of them.. also they were pushing the fire from the back out to the front of the house.. normally you don't want to move the fire towards where you made entry but sometimes it just happens.. if it does happen you want to make sure you've got another way out for the interior crews incase of a collapse.
Andy you cannot push fire with water. That has been proven by NIST.
@@joshuagriffin6477 They couldn't replicate it in the experiment. That's a far cry from proving that a hose stream doesn't push fire. Wrap around event is a reality, and that's one of the manifestations of pushing fire. Hose streams are not merely water, but also the air entrained with the steam. If you've ever been opposite a stream you know that horse streams, like any other source of pressure, can push fire.
@@raystinsky Well spoken, brother.
Who let the fire out, who , who
I don't now how long the other truck was there, but it seemed like it took them a helluva long time before any actual water was applied. Don't see why they were climinbg on the roof without hoses.
You do not take hoses on the roof.
Seems like a awful lot of confusion among crews as where to go with hose lines! First, went to back and side of house, then came back to front, then didn’t show any water flowing to attic vents where ferocious flames were shooting 15 ft from vents! Did not see any command. Personal. Direction, or leadership! Where’s the freaking
Guidelines on how to attack a structure fire? And this was a one story residence, luckily, it wasn’t an multiple story apartment it would have been a catrophe!
is there another video of this in pov
Sorry, but your FIRST priority is fighting the fire, not getting video. It's one thing if there's a dash cam, but taking the time to reposition the camera (even if it's a few seconds) shows a lack of priority.
Piss poor job, five minutes to get water through the front door. Once they open the roof stand around and look at the Fire who would ever think to come down the ladder take out the side windows let some of the pressure off. Certainly it wasn’t in the morons mind holding to pick at it. Ask that could’ve done it. No wonder they were from Texas. John
I’m in the attic they haven’t got through the front door yet you’re moron park the ladder truck as far as ways you can who would ever think. I put it in that small parking lot right next to the building piss poor job, Donald horizontal vent light let the men roast in there that’s right they’re not roast and they haven’t gone in yet.
Is Command on scene or remote?
5:50 You see the blast furnace of flames coming out the roof. If they were coming from the first floor, that would be great but they weren't. The release of attic pressure allowed the fire at the left rear to get sucked into the attic not heat and smoke from the interior. The gasses in the attic were ignited by those flames creating Much more pressure inside the attic. Look at the smoke pouring out the gable end vent. If the hole was creating a high pressure release to the outside and making the gasses inside go out the hole, why is there still smoke belching out the gable end vent and even increasing in velocity? That roof hole can somehow remove gasses from the lower level through a hole in the ceiling but can't suck in air from the gable end which is in the same space? More fire more pressure, not less.
Three grown men walking around on the roof of a burning building while they allow the Visible Burning Material to Burn and threaten the interior of the house.
The engine was there before we get to see the scene but they didn't extinguish the visible fire until 4:45. They LET the fire get bigger and penetrate deep while they Played Hero on the roof.
5:40 they ventilate the roof and the Supposed Interior crew Never go water into the attic to extinguish the fire. They LET it burn through the attic and out the front of the house. The ignorance displayed here should be clearly evident to any thinker and only The Star Struck fans will see a competent job.
This is what they should have done and didn't.
1. FAST. Stop the engine and pull a preconnected hose, preferably a Booster line on a reel so you can pull out Just what you need instead of 300 feet like they did, and head down the left side to the FIRE! The Visible Burning Material.
2. SAFE. From the exterior, extinguish all the Visible Burning Material through the window. Stay of the roof of a Burning Building!
3. When all the visible fire is out, break out windows opposite that room on the right side so the wind coming from the left will blow the smoke through the house and out the downwind/right side and extinguish and fire seen.
4. Ventilate with extinguishment. Open the front door and then the back door so there is a horizontal flow of air though the house. Which ever door shows the most release of pressure, go in the other door and march through the house extinguishing and cooling.
5. Attic. As you move through the house longitudinally, open a small hole in the ceiling to look for fire. If you see it, insert a nozzle with a wide cone of water and wave it around. Move toward the other end and do that again until the attic is extinguished.
No lives risked on the roof and the fire wasn't ALLOWED to burn longer or Better at any time. Hey but who am I? Was I there? Was I a fire fighter? I'm just a keyboard troll, right? My words don't seem logical or comin from common sense, right? Would my words be More believable if I said I was a retired Captain from the FDNY? They shouldn't. The words are words. You understand what they mean or you don't. Star struck people can't see reality. They can only see what they Want to see. If this performance was brought to you by the people at the FDNY, you would be on your knees bowing to them and you know it. Even if you just saw You house destroyed by THEM!
There was already a working fire in the attic before the hole was cut. That much smoke pumping from the attic means there's a fire already, and it's likely that there was a section of drywall down, or a rotted area of ship lap that permitted extension already.
Extinguishment from the exterior is a defensive tactic entirely unsuitable to this fire. A knockdown is probably what you mean, and that is an entirely different tactic. The roof of those structures is suited to vertical ventilation.
Your approach to ventilating that structure prior to proper extinguishment (which is what you get with hitting it from the windows most of the time) is recipe for extending the fire. You don't know what is in there simply from looking in windows. There are plenty of compartments in houses that are not visible from windows, and knocked down fire (which is what you'll really be doing with your "safe" window firefighting) quickly builds back.
You will not put out a working attic fire in a structure like this from the ground. Pull ceiling, knock down what you see, throw a ladder and get into the attic.
I don't know how many working fires you've made, but your tactics are not practical on the fireground in structures like this. There were problems with their attack, but your solutions are anything but.
@@raystinsky Trying to get through to you is getting tiring so this is for other readers. K.I.S.S. I will use this fire as a reference. Keep this in mind. Everything they did here is ignorant. The Visible fire at the left rear is threatening the interior of the structure. The fire has gotten into the attack and possibly the room at the left rear.
1. You pull a hose directly to the fire and extinguish it. No more radiant heat from the exterior to penetrate Into the structure.
2. Look in the windows. If you do see fire, break the window and extinguish the flames and soak the room so the fire doesn't rekindle any time soon. The pressure will release away from the interior and the temperature will drop by 1000 degrees when the flames are gone.
3. A second line has done the same thing around the other side until all Visible Burning Material has been extinguished.
4. The wind is blowing gently from the back to the front and the LR crew can go to the back door. The smoke and pressure inside the attic is blowing out the front gable end vent. The second line can move to the front of the house. When everybody is ready, the front crew opens the front door and then the back door is opened. Any pressure near the front door will exit that way and the wind blowing from the rear will help to push the smoke out the front door.
5. The rear crew goes inside and extinguishes any fire they see. Then they open the ceiling and insert a nozzle opened top a 50% cone and wave it around to cover the entire rear area of the attic. Then they move through the house repeating this sequence until the main floor and attic are extinguished.
6. In a house this small, it would be easy to put a fan at the back door and blow all the smoke out the front door and through the attic. Then all the windows can be opened to vent and ceilings pulled to check the attic.
Simple, quick and safe and no ridiculous roof work.
@@JB91710 Your tactics are going to end up hurting someone. Especially running your ventilation operation from the burned side to the unburned with the second line at the vent point after dousing visible fire from the outside, which is a sure way to leave other areas burning in a house. While you're screwing around going window to window to make sure no scary fire is still working, search isn't being conducted and the fire is gaining headway. You are greatly overestimating the danger of interior attack.
I don't care what kind of cone you decide to use, you don't extinguish attic fires from the ground. That attic is not sealed off enough to permit steam conversion to do the job. It's not a compartment in a ship. As an initial knock down, it's fine to hit fire from the ground, but you have to follow up quickly by getting into the attic. You won't cover the entire area of that attic by hitting it from the ground through holes in the ceiling. I don't care how much you work that nozzle. I guess you could pull the entire ceiling, but that's a lot of wasted effort to avoid throwing a ladder. I've had to get people like you out of the way time and again to put in crews that understand this. One good hole in the ceiling with a firefighter on a ladder will probably give you quick access to the whole thing barring some unusual modification. That's basic.
Trying to change terminology in use is a fool's errand. A,B,C,D work fine. You adjust to the fire service, it doesn't adjust to you. Far greater minds than yours (Dunn, Norman, Brunacini) use it without complaint, so maybe the problem there is you. Consider that.
There are legitimate criticisms of the operations on this fire, but nothing that can't be hammered out in a post mortem.
@@raystinsky Ok, you've confirmed it. You are an idiot or a 12 year old! Did you NOT read the parts about putting the fire out as you go? Did you Not read the parts about the line on the other side of the house hitting all the windows? Do you want to enter the front door with the wind blowing the fire through the house into your face? Do you want the attic fire burning over your head at the same time? Take down Tesla's photo. You don't deserve to have it up there. Smarten up!
@@JB91710 That's Salvador Dali.
I didn't say to enter from the front door. I criticized your decision to have two opposing lines. You're wasting your time moving from window to window. Entering from Bravo or Charlie is fine. Putting another line at Alpha and having them open vent points opposite the fire is not. Even hitting the fire in the B/C corner from the exterior before moving in is fine. Probably even the best bet. A second line entering along with the first line makes sense. Not taking chances with the wind by entering on the windward side is fine. Trying to put out fire around corners with the window to window tactic or your ineffective "open a hole and use a 50 degree cone" . No, in this case, I'm really not worried immediately about the attic fire. I've worked under many attic fires. It's not urgent to the point that you can't deal with the fire in the living areas before getting up into the attic. Using a ladder.
Extinguishing a working house fire requires working the nozzle. That sort of action does push fire. Anyone who's seen wraparound effect firsthand or had some window warrior turn an exterior line on him knows this. Knocking the fire down using the reset tactics described by UL is entirely different to extinguishing the fire as you're describing it. But if the ceiling isn't intact (entirely possible at this fire) then your reset won't work. If it does work, visibility will be shot to hell. That's real world, first hand experience speaking. It might be worth it depending on the circumstances. At this fire, there's no need to go window to window, and the windows on the leeward side need to remain intact until you've got the fire out.
what are they thinking they should use the ladder truck not stand there
I can never understand why you have such large numbers in the wrecking crews to cut hoes in the roof to make the fire bigger and hardly anyone using hoses to put the fire out!
you have obviously never attended any fire training. The reason to cut the roof, is to vent smoke and protect firemen entering the burning structure. The object is to release as much smoke as possible to try and assist the working firemen inside.
Sorry man I just can't help it but why r they cutting a hole in the roof I don't understand the system
It allows the hot gasses, smoke and fire to go up and out instead of just rolling on the ceiling, spreading the fire out. Hot air rises, when you get it out, it slows the spread and makes it safer (not to mention greatly improving visibility by removing smoke).
Olaf van Toor
Hi Olaf. Looking at the color of the smoke and the intensity, this is common practice to open up at a high point above the fire area to help the heat and gasses escape. This clears the interior environment and reduces the temperature enough inside to make it better for not only the interior operations, but may also help survivability for trapped victims. It also reduces the conditions that create backdrafts and flashovers.
to vent the smoke or fireman entering the structure it also this to help release hot gases, and other possible things such as flash over
another classic american venting job! way to burn the place down boys...
sam burke, and may we know what advanced methods your country or state uses?
Watch this video, to see what ventilating does to fire behaviour. Thankfully recent You Tube US fire fighting videos are showing US fire departments are transitioning from the traditional must ventilate procedures to modern procedures used in most world where ventilation is not used very often if at all...
ua-cam.com/video/DUkGniHP-mE/v-deo.html
You see US fire departments using traditional procedures and ventilating all the time, and as a result the buildings burn down....
Poorly coordinated ventilation is a problem. Proper vertical ventilation redirects the fire extension and makes the attack much easier. PPV works great, too. You just have to know what you're doing, and if you listen to trained firefighters who have spent their time in academies, colleges, and offices instead of trained and experienced firefighters who have been in the streets at busy houses, you will be less effective.
It's an epidemic. ua-cam.com/play/PLkp0E1ao1XEy2uMomAtjWfScRFcCUmwwv.html
hahahahaha!
Great response to the scene. Way to stoke the fire brothers. Too slow getting water on it.
Every room in every house has a window. You can SEE through windows to see if there is fire in the room. Open the windows that show fire and hit them from the outside. The temperature inside drops by 1000 degrees the second the flames are gone and the pressurized gasses inside will exit to the exterior. The pressure inside the house will flow toward the windows. Therefore, the fire will not extend deeper into it so victims are protected along with the structure. No need to be crawling under hot fuel at all. By the time you enter, the heat has left the building. Not much Heroism doing it this way but it Does Get The JOB Done quicker and safer. Remember, fire fighters have families they are RESPONSIBLE for. They don't get to Play Hero and do Unnecessarily dangerous things to Get Off! Or, if they Aren't doing things like Vertical Venting to get off and they are doing them because they were Told they work, then they need to start asking if there are safer ways to accomplish the goal.
Proving once again you know nothing about firefighting or fire science 🤡