Building Fire Becomes Uncontrollable
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- Опубліковано 29 сер 2024
- At 6:00 am on March 26 a fire broke out at a commercial building on Voyageur Way and Simpson Rd in Richmond BC. Blocked doors and unnapropriate stowage slowed down the fire crew's offensive attack. Flames spread inside the structure and through the roof within 30 minutes. Firefighters battled the 2 alarm blaze for over 5 hours.
Being a former fire fighter, why do some fire depts. when they get on the scene of a small controllable, they seem to stand around and wait until the fire is blowing thru the roof before they apply water. Don't understand!!!!!!
Eight years as a fire/arson investigator, and I have the same question!
I gotta agree... around here we're adamant that first priority is immediate water-on-the-fire to start putting a lid on the ambient temperature and prevent more flashup.
Seems to be a common theme of most fire scene UA-cam videos.
Probably was R.I.T
@@dlt2154 Even if the pre-assigned RIT gets to the job first, no competent FD is going to leave that be without reassignment. First arriving will take initial investigation/attack, 2nd/3d arriving or 1st rescue arriving will be re-assigned as RIT. You don't just get to the fire first and say 'well that's not our assigned job' while you wait for the 1st due to navigate a traffic jam.
I always have found that when you put water on a small fire it goes out,if you wait a while it will get bigger but its much more fun. Incomptence comes to mind.
If you read the description you would learn the interior attack was impeded due to locked doors and inappropriate stowage.
My suggestion and I'm only a novice here, but it would be to apply massive doses of water as soon as you arrive, maybe even with a pumper truck, or hose of some sort.
Why are the so called professional firefighters, so languid and casual before fighting the fire ? What are they waiting for, a delivery of sticks and marshmallows to put on them ?
"Let's all stand around until she gets goin' real good, fellas."
happyjack880 well said!
They were making an interior attack which is why they weren’t using exterior lines at first.
Everytime i watch videos like this makes me puke! Firefighters walking around the fire ,talking ,even joking and not using WATER! What a shame! Am firefighter for 45 years! Ask the feelings of the store or house's owner watching this nasty scene! Sorry guys , have to say it!
Maybe they’re talking strategies and tactics , sounds like they got a fire attack group inside and that’s why you buy insurance....I think for a small department they did a great job
You have to wonder sometimes if they'd move a bit faster if it was their house. I have to admit, I'm in no real position to criticise, I'm sure they know more than me. Maybe being calm and taking your time is advantageous in the long run.
There you go, learn before you talk. Reading further down, the men seemingly messing with equipment were a rapid intervention team to help firemen in danger, not firefighters. Got to learn to bite my lip before making comments, apologies.
As former Electro-mechanical engineer in building services manager, I had fire brigade to train my staff to use the right extinguishers for the type of fire in situation. Also to turn off power, gas or oil supply. Done fire drills, evacuation registers. In early stages the fire would never get a chance to even grow.
I call for foam yellow/brown
. Liquid fire ..
Great speech to all firefighters who know how to stick up for who we are. I am a 15 ur veteran and there should be no real reason for the interior attack. The bldg when F/I on A side. Backing out was the best thing to do. Fight defensive w Master Streams and Step Guns. Great job fellas and ladies. My hats off to you!
ua-cam.com/video/RogUt0pBuZ4/v-deo.html Example of a working department.
I'm no firefighter but it took to long to get sum action going they really let this get ahead of them
It's ok to put water on it from the outside while setting up for interior firefighting . . . .
Definitely. Putting the wet stuff on the red stuff still works.
That's what they should be Doing! But That would probably be against the RULES as stated by "truck company officer BFD15" Below!
(A Bunch Of Bullshit) !!! Along with ("You all need to shut the hell up!") I have a better idea ..... YOU can Eat Shit!
@@k0smon Absolutely!
Not without a plan. Plus, spraying a lot of water will make things more difficult, potentially impossible, for the interior teams. Water damages stuff the fire hasn't necessarily yet.
+Archibald Mirenopteryx. What you say is only true when inexperienced firefighters pump thousands of gallons of water through the windows on a small domestic fire.
Here in the UK, we still use hosereels outside once the crews have entered. Spraying water upwards onto ceilings rains down and slows the progress of the fire. A lot of training is required, along with good communications all round. Needless to say. care needs to be taken not to produce steam faster than it can exit the building.
In the case of this video, while crews were kitting up to enter, it was becoming increasingly obvious that an interior attack would be futile and highly dangerous.
(Everyone standing around) "that's not a fire yet, we can't fight it yet, give it a minute to heat up..."
Fire fighters fight fire, what are you guys doing......
It sure does'nt appear they're fighting fire.. looks more like a coffee break to me
Looks like they were training. I dont think any fire Department could be this horrible. Or at least I hope not
No rush guys
I quit watching after the first few minutes of them watching it burn, making their plan of attack, WTF?
WTF is Correct! What Plan? Fire....hit it with water right away= Fire Out!
Richard Simpson it’s not that simple. If they hit it too hard and the building is already weakened, it’ll bring it down. If they just hit the outside, then think it’s out, and the inside flares up, then they have to do it all over again. It was already a total loss when they got there, just let it burn and control it.
Robert Bents Definitley not.
those guys standing around are the Rapid Intervention Team there ONLY job is to rescue Firefighters that call a mayday in the structure.In the video you can see them clearly putting equipment on the tarp that will aid them in rescuing fellow FF's....Some departments may have them put ladders up and stretch lines and thats it, also Richmond Fire is a small dept.
@@g23fire That is not the problem. But if nobody starts to attack the fire for a long time that is not a good thing.
It Is plain and simple if a fire fighter is standing around there is simply nothing for them to do. Especially considering it was declared an exterior attack. There is a way of doing things and they cannot rush nor over staff one part of the operation.
i love how people comment on what to do when they dont even know the situation about the fire..becouse as you cn see from the smoke its not your typical black or grey smoke it is an oarngeish color witch means there is some type of chemical burning
Even you could not properly explain their actions, so quit being a smartass.
Seriously 😳 gonna send in a crew w/ 1 3/4 hand line at this stage? Lucky they didn’t kill a fireman. MASTER STREAMS!!! Big fire = Big water
I was wondering the same thing tuffy and willie, etc. I had a fire at my house last summer started by some fireworks. Thought the whole house would be lost at the rate it was spreading, fire crew wasn't too far away. They busted their asses as soon as they stopped the truck, organized, determined, and stopped the fire and put it out in less than 20 minutes. Burned about 1/4 of house but I have much more respect for you guys(all firefighters) after seeing them up close! I would be so upset If they were just standing around.
It is real easy for all of you arm chair firefighters to judge the men at the scene. You cannot see what is going on in the rear of the building or inside it for that matter. The men in front that5 seem not to be doing anything are more than likely there for backup. Unless you were physically there and fighting the fire, just be glad people put themselves in severe danger to help protect us and our property.
+Doug DiPlacido
Touche! :)
+Doug DiPlacido thanks doug
Well said. Thanks Doug
I think Doug, that had I have been a taxpayer and had it been my business that was being destroyed, I would have every reason to be critical of professionally trained observers (although you call them backup), as they watched the business that I had spent years building up, being destroyed and did nothing to help me.
They're actually known as RIT or Rapid Intervention Team, who's sole job is to be ready incase crews get injured, trapped, close to running out of air etc inside the building. So it doesn't really matter what you think they should be doing, they are doing the job they were assigned to do and won't leave unless reassigned or activated and in those cases a new team will move into that task.
Have to agree with most of the post, trucks and man power on scene and not a single line charged and fighting from the A side of the building when they got on scene doors and stairways blocked or not this is fire fighting 101. Rip gets set up after the knock down begins, not after.
I agree with you eljett..that smoke was off gasing and THAT is a bad sign..thats when you pull out and go defensive and save brothers/sisters from injury or death. They did their best and fought it agressively but sometimes building materials dictate what the fire is gonna do..btw good read on the smoke
Did They Not Have Water To Start Putting Through The Window While Making Forced Entry ????
dunno.....maybe they made entry from the back
I dont know why these fireworkers are doing nothing... they are standing around and look look look...
those guys are Rapid Intervention Team..... there job is to Rescue FF's , that get into trouble..ie run out of air, fall, get lost, fall through a floor, roof collapse etc
What I could possibly see here is that the fire crews area under the impression that knocking it down from the exterior would "push the fire" throughout the building. This is a fire service myth.
Some departments will not put water on a structure fire until electric power is cut. Sometimes the structure burns to the ground before power is cut.
Deck guns work great.I hardly ever see fire companies use them anymore
What is it with these firemen are they all frightened to do their job. The longer it burns the bigger the insurance claim. Thus everyone pays with higher premiums. Not rocket science
lol... i don't think they are frightened ....you don't know how long its been burning or the fuel load .They tried to make an interior attack and decided the "Risk was not worth the reward" so they went defensive and they all got to go home to there families.....Good call by Incident Command!
Not surprised it got out of control ,as the start of the video they are standing around taking their time using hoses.
Many things wrong with this video. I would like to see what it looked like in the back when the FF arrived. Could they have made a quick knock down?
What I notice is the noxious black smoke pouring out of the building right at the beginning of the video. The building appears to be constructed largely of concrete block, brick, metal, and glass. Those substances don't burn! The junk we can see piled up against the windows and doors has to be the worst possible kind of flammable stuff. Nice looking store front. Maybe the proprietors should have paid more attention to what the public doesn't see.
I guess the saying "fight fire aggressively "doesn't apply.
This is in Canada, BC (British Columbia) and those guys standing around are the RIT team, they are there to save a firefighter if needed. Clearly this video is after the firefight began so any judgement of people standing around is unjustified at this point. While I agree there seem to be some errors in tactics here, without knowing the whole story its hard to make conclusions
NO it's not Hard They are incompetent Firefighters!
@@richardsimpson3136 Says the self pronounced expert behind his keyboard. Why aren't you out there, since you obviously know better than anyone else?
I don't care whose fire department it is, the first person off that truck grabs a line and starts putting water on the fire, PERIOD! You are not being paid to stand around and watch the fire grow, so you can get a fat check when you bill the insurance company - which many fire departments do when they go out on emergency calls.
@@5.2litrecat45AND THAT WHAT THEY DID DUMB ASS!! You clearly see the lines interior. They don’t put water where you want to make you fell better. They tried an interior push, and that didn’t work. But you don’t just see fire hit fire, especially with guys inside
@@5.2litrecat45and the standing around is RIT team and crews on deck ready to go to work, you clearly have no clue how fire scenes work
Errrrrr........water out of hose? Into building? When I turned up to fire we used to get hose reels on flames within 30 seconds. Lame....
They had hoses going into the building, which you can see at the start. They were trying to go up and put it out but were forced out due to the amount of crap inside.
There is no urgency ffs, just standing around when they get there, a simple quick knockdown fire becomes another car park, we in the uk would attack with hose reel or a line of inch and a half hose
Yeah after you got done pissing yourselves and having a tea break and crumpets and bon bons.
Robert Bents who has Bon Bons and crumpets you’ve been watching too many Downton Abbeys mate, 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The guys standing around are probably the R.I.T team (rapid intervention team) their job is to go in and rescue a firefighter if the situation occurs. I imagine the first due ladder and engine got pushed out by the fire condition. so they are not slow their safe
it seems that not enough effort was expended early on, until the fire reached massive proportions.
what was being stowed improperly that delayed the attack?
finally, was there any damage to the car dealership?
I am a volunteering fire fighter in Germany and watching this video makes them look so pathetic and slow.
No effort or anything, just go slow and steady, no hurry Steve it’s just one building, maybe if it’s too we should worry.
These are modern Fire Fighters, first huddle plan of attack, then set up, then check with Bat. Chief, then apply water slowly.......i am old school surround and drown!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
these are USA modern fire fighters*
@@Sergio_Gomes474 Who's from the US in this video?
Is it just me or did the fire fighters wait until it became worse before they started putting out the fire.
What are they having a coffee break
All accidental & malicious structure fires are uncontrolled after ignition. No signs of a controlled, practice burn exercise here. Safety is always the number one priority. If VES & interior attack can not be accomplished in an organized manner with escape routes available, the incident commander is obliged to hold back. The caption mentions blocked doors & "unappropriate" (sic) storage. If the building is determined to be evacuated or vacant, why risk your crews. If the 'Good Ole Days' heroes charged in & got themselves, their teams & civilians killed. Please don't be so quick to judge, especially if you're not a professional. Paid firefighters do this work for 20+ years & quickly learn to follow training protocols & orders so they make it to retirement in one piece. Throwing water into a building where someone is attempting ventilation, entry & search can injure a team from steam, flash or collapse faster than can be imagined.
You may be right, the visible flames we speak of may not have been the primary fire area. However, putting water on a developing fire is never a waste of resources, water or time. "flames coming out windows are not spreading" that is not correct. Although the vent outlet here may be expelling a fair amount of energy being produced, its radiant heat output or heat flux will be causing other combustibles in that room to pyrolyze filling this area with, and transporting, unburnt gaseous fuel.
Insurance money. Someone got paid. Don't question it, or you'll have the boys show at your house at midnight with the baseball bats.
In Boston they would have done the same. Expereinced firefighters know this building was lost prior to arrival on scene. Just the fact the initial attack teams went out unscratched is a success. Good job guys. There were no reason not to go interior on arrival, and the gases spread the fire so fast into the structure there was no chance to win the game.
Q: Did these men start the fire?
A: NO!
Q:Did these men/women risk serious injury, disfigurement and possibly death?
A: Yes
Q: Did these firefighters lose the building, but save the block?
A: Yes.
Q: Did these firefighters take a beating?
A: Yes
Q: Would they do it again?
A: In a heartbeat.
Q: Most importantly, did they go home to their loved ones at the end of the shift?
A: Yes
Conclusion, from a 26 year veteran: Monday morning quarterbacking is for football, not firefighting. Good job.
You have pre-connect hoses and 500 gallons of water for a reason.
That reason is this magical new technique recently invented called going inside and putting out the goddamn fire.
They tried that but were faced with blocked doors and stuff stored all over the place which hindered their attack.
If that was an FDNY job it would never have gotten that far out of hand they should have made an attack from outside while clearing a path to make an interior attack had they knowen straigy and tactics they could have controlled that fire in a few minutes
Well said Sir! Respectful dialogue is how we all learn day by day, but I know exactly what you mean. A lot of the comments from people claiming to be in the fire service, are not only inaccurate but it smacks of some being "6-22s" (6 months on the job but they act like 22 year vets!) if even involved with a Fire Dept. at all. Heck, the only guy I've been really critical of is that Miami-Dade Capt. being a bully! These fellas did a fine job imho! Stay safe out there!
They did great job
why does it take so long to turn on a water hose and why do you have so many firefighters just standing around
They wait until the fire is really raging so that there is more fire to fight. That's so more firefighters can come and get more experience. I've even seen them knock down a fire, but not put it out, allowing more time for other firefighters to arrive for "training"!
Excellent coverage of this event. I especially like the wide shot of the fire with the smoke in the air.
Wow, that was crazy, seeing the glass move is really creepy
Instead of looking at the fire, put some water on it
There were two crews working the interior from the moment the video started
You do not spray water in from the exterior when there are crews working inside
Unless of course your goal is to try and kill someone
According to news stories, the stairwells were blocked with boxes of products. Chemicals were found in some units. The firefighters decided to fight the fire from outdoors.
No they didn't! The first action they took was trying to get into the Building!
Richard Simpson - if they had put water on it when they first arrived instead of fucking around they could have saved it.
@@davidsonlankford1168 YOU got that right David!
Wow , what a shambles, do they always turn up then get dressed ! Over here in Europe they would have had water on the fire within minutes of arriving, retained or full time .
To let you know, new protocols are requiring SCBA and bunker gear to stay out of crew cabs for Cancer fears.
@@MrFlogx4 Thanks for that.
Agreed. Looks they made a good effort of interior attack, had Rapid Intervention Team, etc. Then backed out as conditions deteriorated. Looks like a good, professional job to me. I might add that it appears that they had somewhat less than the 50+ people I'd get for a problem like this.
This isn't the only fire video on YT where the firefighters casually stroll up to the fire with no sense of urgency. Lack of urgency seems to be the rule rather than the exception. There's even one video where two women are trapped on the second floor screaming for help while the firefighters scratch their heads determining what to do.
No there is not, link it
These boys really need to get their ASS IN GEAR !!!!!!!!!!!! Need to get Motivated !!!!!!!!!
Please explain....
well in old days we had "hustle"only way to put fire out is to get water on it,Mac schnell
I’ve seen so many of these fire videos here and asked myself this question almost every time. When I imagine I was the owner of a burning home, watching my and my family’s life go up in flames while 15 fire „fighters“ just stand around. I guess I would totally go crazy.
They are the rescue teams and the changeover crews. A breathing apparatus only lasts around 30mins, much less if you're working hard. Changeover crews are there ready to go.
Maybe you should educate yourself so you dont come off as so foolish
If that of been here in the uk our fire men would of been straight on it with the water not pissing about wondering what to to
Nobody cares.
Fire Fighter , 32 years , retired , I obviously was not at this fire so do not know all the details , what I did see initially was a very controllable fire in its early stages , a charged 1 1/2 " line lying there and 5 Fire Fighters standing around , should have a been an easy entrance , push in , knock it down , mop it up .
Youve clearly never worked a fire in your life
@@virgilhilts3924 Actually I have worked many fires , in homes , garages , attics , trailers , grain elevator ( had help from a water bomber on that one ) , natural cover , cars , aircraft , also dealt with fires at aircraft crashes , flight deck crashes ( some Navy time there ) , wheels up landings , hot brakes , bird strikes , ship board fires , MVA s , roll overs , Jaws of Life extractions , first aid calls , CPR , ( one human , one dog ) explosive ordnance disposal , thats about it I think in 32 years !
@@gregmackenzie5822
An experienced firefighter would have known those firefighters "standing around" were RIT/OD crews.
An experienced firefighter wouldn't make an assertion of "ease" not knowing the interior conditions
An experienced firefighter would have known there was a crew working the interior based on the lines/steam
But thanks confirming you are NOT an experienced firefighter
Hi Pascal,
You captured some fantastic video there! Looks like a very difficult fire to access.
There was a lot of brown smoke emerging through most of the fire. Normally this is seen in the early stages of a fire involving a lot of timber, But this really persisted. What do you think was the source or cause of this? What was the main fuel source in there?
Can everyone stop saying what the firefighters should've done please? Im no firefighter, and neither are most of the people telling these firefighter what to do. You don't know the variables that could've been effecting how they fought the fire so please just keep it to yourself.
Pecky_ _ boohoo!
Comment all you want. Its UA-cam.
The design of these buildings are staggering!
People are walking around that fire unmasked. Talk about cancer risk!!!!
They let it burn down first before they dose off the fire to make it appear they are big heroes for fighting the big fire. What a waste of taxpayers' money on those immature firemen!
Burn down? The building is still standing, fixed and in use today.
Good thing it didn't get to the Mercedes dealer though; the dealership would have been seeriously upset if the firefighters stood around when THOSE cars burned.
In the US there are guidelines set by the federal and Stated governments that require 2 firefighters or more outside of a structure to be prepared to make a rescue. So those guys standing in the front of the structure are the RIC team. It is readily apparent that there are problems getting hose lines into that structure. Look at the front door and the upstairs window. There is a bunch of shit piled up in both locations. This structure has a metal roof with open web truss construction. That metal bar joist truss will fail quickly resulting in catastrophic roof failure. This structure is easily 100 feet deep and there is fire at least 20 feet deep indicating that the roof is exposed and that roof is going to collapse. So. from what we see for the most of the fire you morons think that these guys were going to put this fire out. That is not going to happen. The window at the front is a 6x8 window. when you spray water into that window it is going to hit the ceiling and hit the floor. If you use a fog stream it will enter the first 5 feet and hit nothing more. NO firefighter in his right mind will push an aerial ladder into a burning window and try to hit the fire close up.
So lets sum it up. From the second this video started this was a loser fire. Access was blocked, (this is the occupants fault) The structure was light weight construction indicating that the roof will fail quickly. Throwing water through the windows will do nothing because the garbage on the second floor is blocking water access to the fire load and you just cant hit everything in a hundred foot deep structure through a small window with a12 foot ceiling. The parabola of an arc in a 12 foot ceiling room will not reach the depth of the building. Most will land on the floor of that second floor. On arrival there was already indications of T bar drop ceiling failure. If any of you think that your department could put this out quickly you are full of shit. You could do no better than these guys did. The RIT team would have no effect on the outcome of this fire. Most of you idiots really don't know what you are talking about. My primary focus on this fire is the exposures. Protection of that exposure is the most important part of this strategy. Everything else is secondary. You all need to shut the hell up
NO! YOU NEED TO SHUT THE HELL UP! It took them to long to get started Pouring on the WATER! ALSO this was NOT Filmed in the USA!! (FACT) From The Notes: "This video was not filmed in the United States nor under/by US fire regulations, according to the postscript, it was filmed in Richmond, Britsh Columbia, Canada." (So SCREW ALL of your Bull Shit Diatribe !)
I agree pour some water down its throat.
For those that never worked as a first responder as I have , you all need shut up , Till your arse is really on the front lines and properly trained , Safety is #1 protocol B4 anything else takes place , it takes time to evaluate and set up Everytime your on scene . Some think it's so easy run a line and dump water , yeah ok , same as going in a smoke filled building and extract some one , I've taken the training and trust me it's very hard and not a easy job , no body enters without full evaluation , power lines , power access to structures all must be taken care of , finding the most direct way to battle the blaze is essential . So many Arm chair professionals with no clue to how to conduct a rescue , battle a blaze it respond to a emergency properly and have not even a second if training to begin with . Till you put in the time and training and pass all that's nessecary to conduct such operations , just keep quiet it's people like you that get others hurt 😬
Truck Company Officer BFD, I don't think I could have said it any better than you did. It was a write off from the time this video started.
Yea!
The building was a large floor area warehouse type. The flames pouring out the windows at the beginning very likely were not the seat of the fire, so wasting resources pouring water on that area would have been pointless. I've often wondered the same, but think about it - flames coming out windows are not spreading - it's the fire inside that is the big concern. And, as the uploader pointed out, blocked doors and improper storage were an issue, hampering the initial interior attack.
You only lose control when you don't take control 🤔
But surely blasting a fire this heavy with water from the outside would only have pushed it further in? An interior attack was surely necessary!
It is nice to have the internet to bash someone or an organization like these firefighters and then have the audacity to claim that firefighters in Europe are much better than they are in Canada or USA or vice-versa. Before you write something that may be injurious to someone or a group of people think of how you would feel if someone did that to you.
I am sure the rules and safety regulations differ in Europe than they do in Canada or USA. These rules and safety regulations may prevent firefighters in North America from doing some activity that firefighters in Europe are allowed to undertake and vice-versa.
Any building built with partial board or strand board will burn faster than the same building built with plywood. Also building built with gypsum wallboard will slow a fires growth substantially over other wall coverings.
These firefighters wear heavy insulated pants and jackets to protect them from the heat. This means that body heat cannot escape causing the wearer to overheat from within. Extra firefighters are needed to relieve these exhausted firefighters. Other firefighters are also needed in case there is an emergency and a life needs to be saved. My advice is, be thankful it is not your house or business that is burning and that we have both paid firefighters and volunteer firefighters. They are doing something we cannot do. God bless them.
I'm not a firefighter, but I've read about quite a few historical fires. WHen I saw the second floor was completely in flames, I thought, If I were the chief, I'd tell my crew to get out.
When the second floor is completely in flames, there's a high risk of the second-level floor collapsing. Why should these firefighters risk their lives?
These firefighters are a disgrace to humanity period
There are clearly lines into the structure at the start. I'm assuming the crew "standing around" as so many have put it are the RIT team. I'm surprised so many of these "firefighters" commenting don't realize that. Without knowing interior conditions, some fires just go this way.
Basic equipment for the public would be a SMALL fire extinguisher. Call 911 and let the trained professionals do their job.
Uncomfortable in the video no fire fighter was in a hurry to do anything, must have been a big practice condemning the building
That latter truck water cannon, looks like Godzilla, of course spraying water instead of fire.
Should be required viewing by all BC citizens. Title it "This is why we need new FD leadership"
Why can`t some fire engine manufacturer make engines with a water jet on the roof of the machine as they do with fireboats ? That way, they can at least get some water on the blaze as soon as they arrive at the scene, thereby giving some breathing space, while the firefighters set up their equipment, have a chat and probably toast a few marshmallows.
A. You don't know what fire conditions were on their arrival.
B. Try reading the description of the video before you make comments.
why did that building not have fire sprinkler system. or another word fire suppression system. every building in the world should have them.
They’re very expensive and not required by law for such small buildings.
They also need regular maintenance I guess.
well said elijett, definitely consuming roofing structure, fire through the roof. That's an defensive fire with LDH. Good job, fire had a head start on you.
Fire service has a chain of command they follow orders whether they agree with them or not.
Armchair experts. They're the same type of people that yell answers at game show contestants on tv and jump to conclusions without even knowing half of the story.
There's always a guy (firefighter or not) who come say negative comments about other firefighters work. This is ridiculous.
The criteria for what constitutes as a "negative comment" could be virtually anything to some people.
+Carl Dumont It's called, Hoping they learn something. Most don't they just complain about the common sense they hear from logical people.
You discuss fire departments learning something, but you fail to learn from me. I have reasonably discussed tactics and physics of fire with you and you still spout the same garbage. Your assessment of this fire is incorrect as usual. You epitomize the moth to flame firefighting that most bad firefighters follow. Do you really think that anything on that second floor is salvageable? If so you are really stupid. If you think that spraying a hose stream into this structure through the window will put this fire out or even benefit you are also stupid, It wont. This is a type 3 constructed building with either a open web bar joist or open web wood truss constructed roof with plywood or metal decking. It is going to collapse. That is a given. You throw out these pearls of wisdom or as you call it common sense from a logical person but your statements have no merit. You talk big about protecting the business owners stuff but you say nothing about salvaging the first floor or protecting the unit to the D side of the unit of origin. I too don't think that they did a good job but for very different reasons. NOTHING they are going to do will extinguish that fire.
That building is easily 80 -100 feet deep and at least 15 feet wide. That is easily 1500 square feet with a drop ceiling likely 10 feet from the floor. The parable of the ark of a hose stream will not allow the water to penetrate into the structure very far. It will likely hit the t bar ceiling and collapse it, and then fall straight down. You can see the T bars through the window. You spray water into that structure with stock piled to the ceiling and you will extinguish nothing of value with no penetration. There is a stock room to the rear of the occupancy with burning stock so there was access delays to the rear. There is fire involving everything on the second floor so you will save nothing on that floor. Even if you deck gun that structure fire you will not extinguish or even get a reasonable knock down. You have to focus on the exposures and what you can save not just spray water on flames at a window. Spraying water into a building with firefighters inside is irresponsible and dangerous. So that is not an option. If you flow a deck gun flowing water at 1000 gpm per minute. In ten minutes you will have flowed 10,000 gallons on to the second floor of a structure that is not very strong to begin with. The added weight is over 80,000 lbs. That makes salvaging the first floor dangerous. Not to mention the upstairs stock that is also likely very heavy, so overloading the second floor is dangerous. So again your statements are not valid. You constantly suggest that firefighters freelance on the fire ground. You have a serious issue with authority figures. The Incident commander is coordinating the operation. If you just do what you want then the operation will be a disaster. you will risk firefighters lives and do more damage. Now most firefighters on you tube suck. But your ridiculous statements do nothing to change that because your tactics also suck. The guys standing outside are a Rapid Intervention Team. A requirement by OSHA. OSHA's Respiratory Protection Standard, 29 CFR 1910.134. Look it up. They are not there to fight fires they are only there to respond to firefighters trapped or injured. They cannot fight fire. They can assist with movement of hose lines outside but have to stay mission ready. I would guess that you would also disregard OSHA regulations as well. They are figures of authority. So keep making pampas statements of how great you are and making comments that accentuate your lack of general and firefighting knowledge. It is really entertaining.
TCO BFD15, top fucking comment. Well said, sir.
@@truckcompanyofficerbfd1592 Well stated...
But he won't learn or listen.
Has anyone shown these guys what a fire hose is for? Or do they just like riding in the fire truck?
I noticed that too, but I think it was more because of the angle of the sun, than the actual color of the smoke.
1:15= were they setting up for a picnic?
RIT crew mate. They are there to rescue any injured/trapped firefighters so my guess thats their staging 1st aid area.
@@paulpaardekooper7731 I feared at first, that's the kind of video this would be. I'm glad it isn't. If there's a bow truss roof, or some other critical hazard in there - I say keep them out. In this case, hazard was maze and hoarder-like storage. We get to see the result of that fire load. I think it's well justified here.
@Ray Stewart, these are Canadian firefighters. Don't know if you got the memo or read the description. BC is British Columbia.
the fire department shouldn't think it is being judged on how it looks instead it should be judged on how it performs. How many Dollars are being spent on chrome and other useless shite that is shiny that could be spent on actual fire fighting equipment and training
+EsquireOfTheEstate because you know everything about my life
+EsquireOfTheEstate what!!!!! You are judging me without qualification isn't that hypercritical
I hope no one was inside they would all be dead whilst these guys stood around deciding who is going to brew coffee. No urgency to save life or property.
Maybe just maybe if theypit water on it instead of standing around they just may have controlled it.
the place is already totaled. they were forcing the heat out, and clearing the air, so the ff's could actually see something.
That was some of the nastiest-looking brown smoke I've seen in a long time. What were they storing? Great job to the Richmond F-R!
Defensive attack, good call. Commercial building, ordinary construction, metal decking, metal bowstring joist roof with built up roofing material, heavy a/c units on the roof and imminent collapse of joist within minutes.
What is Canada's issue with water?
If you put it out too soon, you don’t get to play with your aerial truck.
Where is the so called "fight"?! Not shown in the filmed sequence, anyhow. Or, is anyone trying to suggest anything else? Can You see any water cooling down the heat? Well, my friend - that's the "fighting" part, normally.