Alien vs Predator (Atari Jaguar) - A Holy Grail of Games Review
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- In this episode i take a look at a game that became one of my gaming holy grails - a game i wanted for years and finally was able to buy and play.
Please comment below with your thought of Alien vs Predator on the Jaguar if you have played it 😀
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This was the reason I bought a Jaguar back in the mid 90's. Have many great memories of this game
At the time it looked amazing, head and shoulders above anything else at the time and really showed what the Jag was capable of. I was the only reason I wanted a Jag back in the day.
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i had it in the late 90's and loved it beat all three campaigns, still looking for updates that get it right
Me too! I still have my Jag and my copy of AvP!
@@fistfulofgamepad me too, so glad I didn't buy one though 😂
Just ordered Jaguar’s Aliens Vs Predator finally after 30 YEARS of waiting to finally play it soon just because my Jackass 🫏 Cousin didn’t care enough to let me play it when I was over for Thanksgiving. Instead he just turned it off and ran outside or somewhere and that was the first and last time I even seen it.
Great job on this, there's a few things I'd like to add if that's alright with you.
First, the enemy A.I is a magnet so no matter where you (the player) are the enemies are designed to follow you until they reach you and attack. With the Motion Tracker this becomes more apparent as enemies get stuck on the geometry of the level, use this to your advantage. You can bottleneck enemies and safely take out enemies with ease, as for acid pools I'd recommend either luring aliens in large open areas as you can safely take them out or killing aliens near vents or in the elevator. The reason being is when you exit a level and return the game checks to see if there's any obstructions near the player, if there is the game will automatically de-spawn anything near you when you return. This works in vents as well, lure aliens to vent openings kill them in front of you then leave and reenter all those acid pools are gone. This makes traveling through the vents much easier as you no longer have to deal with acid damage. One thing to note is all enemies use the conga line mentality meaning enemies approach in single file and stack in single file, use this to your advantage whenever possible.
Second, this game has more in common with Blake Stone Aliens of Gold as you can travel to different levels or go back to previous levels. Wolfenstein 3D is the major inspiration as there's a single flat level which is exactly what Alien Vs Predator Jaguar is whereas Doom added height and a second story to levels. As for saving your game always and I mean ALWAYS save in the elevator as Lewis or the Predator, for the alien always save in the vents. The enemy placement is dependent on RNG every level has a set amount of enemies when playing as any of the characters, Lewis is the only character that deals with enemies in vents. Almost all vents have 10 Aliens the only exceptions is AirDuct 3B and 3C both contain 5 Aliens.
Third, as much as I love this game it's flawed the biggest issue is where to go exactly. This game is what I consider a "guide game" because there is absolutely no way any player is supposed to find their way in this game without outside assistance. The computer terminals only tells you so much and even then it's rather vague, the Alien and Predator? Nope the game just drops you in and that's it good luck! I personally recommend this www.thejagzone.com/jaguar/Codes/avpmaps/index.html these do a MUCH better job explaining where areas of interest is and just knowing where to go at all.
Fourth, Facehuggers comes in two flavors free-roaming and Eggs, the free-roaming are found ONLY in the Med lab's located in Sub-Level 2 and 4; as well as, the Alien ship for Lewis. 3 are in level 2 Med Lab, 6 in level 4 Med Lab and finally 5 in the Alien ship found in Sub-Level 5. To deal with the Eggs simply walk up and have the egg open, the reason being is if you fire your gun the egg will automatically open and release a Facehugger by default which will waste ammo. If you have the egg open by walking near it, this takes time for the Facehugger to emerge and gives you time to destroy the egg before it happens. This helps save ammo considerably; and speaking of, when using the Smart-Gun I'd recommend short controlled bursts as this gun is the MOST POWERFUL gun in the game for Lewis. Just a single press of the fire button and aliens shred like tissue paper; whole hoards of enemies drop at this hands of this absolute BEAST of a weapon.
Thank you for taking the time to read through all is, I've been playing this game for a quarter century exploring every nook and cranny on console itself or via emulator. Personally it's nice to see this game get some recognition, I love this game to death but that doesn't mean it's perfect it has a lot of faults. Thank you again for listening!
Cheers!
Great points, the game would really of benifited from objective markers.
I had a Jaguar with Doom & AVP (and many others) back in 1994, all boxed and pristine. When I moved out a few years later my dad dumped it all...... would of been worth a small fortune now 😩
Yep. Me too. I don't even know where it went!
Aww man! 😭 That’s tragic! I worked with someone who when they upgraded to a PS2 just took their Dreamcast and a load of games to the dump and got rid of them?!?!?!
That's why when I moved out I made sure to take EVERYTHING. I was forced to get a 2 bedroom apartment just to fit all the crap from my childhood in the second room which was my storage room. Never owned a Jaguar but I was that one moron that was the answer to the question "What moron would buy a 3DO?"
after spending $350 on a used console (that needed a repair) and around $80 for AvP (cart only), i can vouch for that.
I enjoyed the story behind this review. Rather than just reviewing the game with no context, your backstory made me much more engaged with the video.
Thanks. I’m glad you enjoyed it 😃
Really insightful mate. The solid research and thought is extremely evident. Albeit sounds like a bittersweet experience it’s great you’ve got to play this one after so many years. It’s certainly a title synonymous with the Jaguar.
Enjoy the weekend 👍😊🕹️
Thanks mate. Glad you enjoyed it. It was a bit bittersweet but I’d rather have played it and found out rather than always wonder 😀. Hope all is well mate 😃👍
If they increased the turn speed by even 10% that would have been nice. Spend hours searching the training center and used to get headaches going through the Ari ducts aswell. Good level of difficulty tho and completing it was rewarding. Good vid mate
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it. The air ducts are so easy to get lost in, even when using the map and are very headache-inducing.
I could never find the level 10 key card. Searched all over the room with the Alien queen. Therefore never completed it.
@@fistfulofgamepad I still have graph paper maps of the air duct systems because I suffer from C.R.S. can't remember shit.
I wonder if Jag could have been overclocked, just a bit, to achieve that 10% speed boost 🧐
@@mwk1Higher frame rates can easily be achieved using emulation.
"The Predators shoulder cannon looks like a blue loofah sponge" lol, I will never look at it the same now. Great review and video.
The deadly blue loofah sponge! lol Thanks, glad you enjoyed it😃👍
It's nice to have the perspective of the Jaguar from here in blighty, great video. Mental that I managed to get a copy of AvP for £25 ten years ago, prices have gone mad
Yup, bought a Jag for this and only this. Not a single regret. Great game.
If i would have had the money at the time, id have done exactly the same😃👍
I’ve been playing this game for almost 30 years on original hardware, but to play it for the first time now I recommend an emulator, even if you pay for a real copy.
The uneven frame rate when many objects are on screen exacerbates all the problems well documented in this video. After a while playing it on Jag you get used to basing your timing off the lagging sound etc etc and that’s how you have to play it or it feels weird.
At steady 30fps it’s just plain less frustrating though and you don’t have to learn to trick your brain in addition to all that other BS. Which is of course worth it, because this is somehow still an amazing AVP game in those moments when none of that is getting you killed unfairly.
"anytime.." is sick audio que to leave on :P
AVP 2010 scratches the itch for me i play every few years and i have my own war story of playing on xbox 360 multiplayer back in 2010 and everyone left a game one time except one human and myself as a predator and it felt like the movie where hte human didnt wanna give up and made me work for it and i didnt spam the easy weapons and gave him a fair shot even tho the predator was OP he toughed it out leading me into water and caves to limit the predators advantages it was my most memorable experience for AVP that felt close to the films
I had someone break into my home when I was a young teenager and took a bunch of my things. I remember the worst part of it was stealing my Atari Jaguar with Alien vs. Predator. I'll never forget how damn great it was. Definitely underrated and ahead of it's time. Wish I could play it again.
Aww man that sucks! ☹️
Hope you get to play it again one day 🤞
The box and Art
Are still very dear to my heart
Its a thing of buety!
It was freakin hard to play and a horror when you play it at night with headphones. My Uncle still remember the Nightmares he had after playing it. The Game was a Survival game in a Location where you was completely alone from the beginning to the End. There was nothing like that at this time with this deepness.
Totally agree, it was a game that was trending new ground and doing things differently compared to DOOM and Duke Nukem etc
I also always wanted this game! I actually got it running on an emulator a couple months back so I could play with mouse and keyboard, and I felt the same way about it as you. The game has a really amazing atmosphere, especially for its time, but I think that the limitations it had to work with on the Jaguar and the clunkiness of the combat really age it, and not in a good way. I was also unaware of the fan remaster-- definitely will have to check that out when it's finished so I can get an experience a little closer to the way I imagined it in my head before I could play it. Great video and excellent editing! You deserve a lot more recognition for the amount of effort you put in and the quality of the videos!
Its limitations are very apparent, but I think what Rebellion were able to achieve with the limitations was very impressive, especially for the time. I liked how they then built on it with the PC version, as they then had better hardware/ resources to give us a true AvP game.
I'm keeping an eye on the remaster too and looking forward to it.
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed the video, I really enjoy doing them and find them a lot of fun. There are more videos in the pipeline :)
Great video and great review. I completely empathise. As a child, I was awestruck with this game, but never even got to see it in action. Thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it. I was the same as a kid. I’d always look at the screenshots on the back of the box in amazement how realistic it looked (at the time lol).
You earned a sub. Great review, and great to see some much deserved love for Alien³ and Predators.
Awesome, thanks dude. I’m glad you enjoyed it, Iv got my latest video currently in the works as we speak, should hopefully have it uploaded within the next week. Alien 3 certainly doesn’t get the love it deserves and Predators is an underrated entry in the franchise. I’m looking forward to the next Alien film.
Great hearing your story with this game, and you finally being able to play it and giving it a review - well done! 👌
Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed it. It was a long journey but I got there in the end lol 😀
Gamesmaster TV show still holds ire with me because they shat on Street Gangs on NES, aka River City Ransom. A classic beat em up even today. The some of the reviewers came off as thinking it was dated due to it being on NES, but one of them called it an insult and something you should give your enemies.
When I got the game back in 95 it was an absolute dream and we didn't care about FPS or anything like that . Also you got to remember this is running on a cartridge which in itself very impressive. Sad that you never played this when it came out , because it was a fun time and eventually for me that turned into getting other great games for the system, like Power Drive Rally , Tempest 2000 , Rayman , Iron Soldier , Flashback, Dino Dudes, Cannon Fodder, Doom, Space Ace , Defender 2000 ,Super Burnout , NBA Jam TE and more , but one game that should be in every Jaguar owners library is
Zero 5 , like holy cow this game blew me away back in the day(just crazy hard) and it shows what's possible with great programmer's. If only they would have made the system CD based from the beginning, because it would of been a different outcome, like did you know that Crash Bandicoot almost came out for the Jaguar , but they needed a CD's storage capacity so they opted for the PlayStation. Oh also do you know you can get cheat codes for Aliens versus Predator.
Thats the thing with the Jaguar, it did have some good games on it apart from Doom and AvP. Do you still have your Jaguar?
I knew that Naughty Dog developed Way of the Warrior on the Jaguar but didn't know that Crash was intended for it. I agree with you, if they'd have gone with CD-based from the get go then things may have turned out differently and they wouldn't have been restricted the storage of carts compared to CDs, the likes of AvP could have turned out a lot differently.
Dunno, I played this on my buddy's Jaguar when I was a teenager, and I always thought the one that came out on PC around 2000 was waaaaay better. Probably the best AVP game ever made, and remains that way to this day.
I definitely agree with you on that, AvP that came out on the PC in 1999 is still one of the best AvP games to this day, it's also still one of the scariest and atmospheric games I've ever played. Especially when you get facehugger'd, I lost count of the amount of time I nearly fell out of my chair as I jumped back when a face hugger left up at my screen out of newer lol. It was also one of the first games I played online back in the day which was also a great experience.
helped me discovere a really cool channel 10/10
Thanks 😃, I’m glad you enjoyed it. There’s another video in production as we speak 😁
I got the Jaguar and AVP back in the day after begging my mother. My Jaguar died years ago but still have the game. Couldn't stop playing it so good for the time.
Have you played the aliens arcade game?? It’s fun, not amazing but def worth a try! Great video, cheers!!
Yeah, the arcade game is awesome, lots of fun! Cool, I’m glad you enjoyed it 😃👍
A truly cinematic game.
Great looking game with so much promise. I hope it gets a re-release on modern platforms one day.
This was a flagship title on the Jaguar, together with Tempest 2000.
Games like this are greatly improved via emulation. You can increase the frame rate and remap buttons to any controller, and this vastly improves the gameplay experience.
Amazing review - more than this game really deserves to be fair.
Lol 😂
Thanks dude, I’m glad you enjoyed it. It’s a game that possibly get more love than it deserves, but I can’t not love it! 😃
I was just playing AvP 2010 to figure out using a capture card this week. I kept thinking how bad I wanted this as a kid. Back when displays were everywhere in Walmart and Toys R Us stores that I could get a few minutes in, but we didn't have the money. Now I look at them and still can't afford the $600+ to get a jag and AvP. This was definitely the holy grail for me as a kid.
I enjoyed AvP 2010, was a good game just lacking in the atmosphere and scares of the PC original. It is crazy how it's still an expensive game to play, in having to get a Jaguar and then the game. Hopefully one day you'll be able to pick it up :)
Anytime I had to save, I would go back to the brig. Then you are in a safe zone. There were other times when I would simply pause the game and turn the tele off, come back and resume where you were.
Loved this game, completed the alien and predator, still have the console in storage and it will surface and (hopefully) still work to complete the marine game one day
Aliens vs Predator vs the Holy Grail
Had to physically map this out on graph paper to find the way into the medbay thru the ventilation
I loved this review I'm still yet to finish avp
Thanks man, I'm glad you enjoyed it. It's definitely a tough game and very unforgiving.
I got a used AJ, I got Wolfenstein, Doom and AVP....
This was the definitive AVP game....this is the one that needs to be remastered for current systems
Won't happen unless Disney let someone use the licence.
Maybe with the popularity of Predator and Alien on the up with the two latest films, we may get a something. I’d like to see Nightdive Studios remaster it.
To this day... i regret selling my collection that consisted of every sega console, a jag with doom n cybermorph. Atari vcs (sound don't work on that)
All for 350quid in 2013.
Bear in mind boxes and Cd consoles were seriously temperamental. These were well worn and well loved machines played 7 days a week hour after hour since there purchase in the 80s and 90s - with the price and value.
I am very greatlful for emulation though so I still get to play them all plus many more.
As for AvP. The guy I bought the jag off he had this and we played it together a lot, but i was sad it didn't come in the sale. He liked weird consoles such as jaguar and had a philips cdi in the day...
Emulation does come in handy, especially as some retro games now are SO expensive you can't justify the cost of them (Deep Fear (PAL) on the Saturn - £500+).
Aww man, I've never played on a CDi, I've heard they are bad, like really bad, especially the famously bad Mario and Zelda games.
@@fistfulofgamepad they are indeed very bad. Mateys cdi was Mainly used for video cd films (precursor to dvd where you had 60mins each cd)
He had burn cycle, which was the star cdi game and the zelda and Mario games.
He was so starved of games software he ended up buying lots of shovel ware "edutainment" type stuff.
He had micro machines too - that was when i realised how underpowered or at least not made for games it was... as the cdi version is jerky and jittery compared to the megadrive version i had.
My collection had games like keio flying squadron on mega cd, and the demo of it too (worth lots as it had the full game but end of level1 splash screen sends you back. But if you do level select, start level2 you had full game lol. Sega never made that mistake again) these are worth silly money. So it does make me whince when i come across a review of a game i had in that collection - that is worth savage money...sigh...
Jaguar is worth it just for this game and Cannon Fodder...plus i liked Crazy Ivan.
i remember seeing ads in magazines for this back in the day and thinking it looked awesome. but by the time i was playing the AvP games on pc years later i was starting to get the feeling that it wasn't all it was cracked up to be.
funny side note. since the time of the first 2 AvP games on pc i has always wanted to have npc squadmates helping me mow down aliens in the game with me. now those games were very good, but that's not an experience that they provided. i did find out years later that the expansion to AvP 2 did have a short section where 2 marines shoot xenos alongside of you in some tunnels, but based on the videos i've seen here on youtube it seems pretty lackluster. also 2010's AvP had a few moments where as the marine you had some ai squadmates, but they felt pretty unresponsive.
then years later colonial marines came out i finally, FINALLY got to have that experience. for all of it's flaws i will always have a special place in my hear for colonial marines for that one reason. they finally gave me the npc squad vs xenomorph firefight i had been dreaming off for almost 15 years. sometimes games are magical like that.
great video and thanks for sharing your experience!
Thanks dude. I’m glad you enjoyed the vid. Have you played Aliens Fireteam Elite? The npcs in that are really good, the game itself is HUGELY underrated. Play it with a few mates online is lots of fun! 😃
@@fistfulofgamepad oh hell yes! that game is leaps and bounds better than colonial marines lol. and i do really enjoy it.
Literally THE game that sold the Jaguar to me on day 1.
I saw the preview on GamesMaster TV and knew I had to have it.
Sadly, Jane Whittaker's Spaghetti code, running the A. I routines on the 68000,killed the frame rate, but it was still an amazing experience.
Far better than Alien Trilogy on the PlayStation.
If only they had the acid puddles eat through the floor and dissappear, like in the movies.
Yeah, GamesMaster were not as keen on it and seemed to really focus on the flaws of the game and not look at the positives.
Having the acid puddles eat through the floor and not linger would have been helpful.
Alien Trilogy looked good on realised but hasn't aged well but is still fun.
@@fistfulofgamepadApparently Rebellion claimed Gamesmaster TV show reviewed a Beta copy of AVP, some 3 months before the retail version and they were not at all happy:
Statement from Rebellion at the time:
‘ Gamesmaster [the television program] is produced about three months
ahead of time - so the version they were reviewing then was three
months old. What they had at that time was a pre-alpha version of
the game. We told them what else was going to be put into the game,
but the reviewers were, for some reason, not given this information
by the people who run Gamesmaster.
In fact, large areas of the map were not populated at that time;
the game was only two meg rather than four, so the majority of the
samples were absent.’
Really enjoyed The time you put in to Telling the story of how you really wanted Is this package A-day And how you finally got your hands on an Atari Jaguar , The game definitely had potential, It's a shame about the difficulty and that you can't play multiplayer And definitely didn't help it been on the jaguar, Great video mate I can tell you put a lot of hard work and research into it
Thanks mate, glad you enjoyed it.
Having multiplayer would have definitely worked in the games favour. It is a shame as Doom showed that the Jag could do FPS multiplayer.
Love this game
When i finally got the game some years ago I spent 50 dollars for this game (expensive at the time and young broke) and was so disappointed I traded the Jaguar for a Sega CD. Maybe emotions got the best of me because I probably should have kept it.
I still have this game. Its almost CIB except i cant find the predator controller overlay. Also the manual cover ripped off but i have the manual and cover still. I tried to play it recently on my Jaguar and it definitely aged like shit lol. But The memories are priceless
lol. I definitely agree about memories and nostalgia being priceless. Id have loved to have played this on release back in the day.
AVP definitely sold more magazines than games. it was so cool, a hint of the wasted potential of the Jaguar.
the system really is such a shame. sure, it has a library, but it seemed like developers never got to make the most of the awkward and imperfect hardware. if Atari had people like Psygnosis and Polyphony dedicating their efforts to the system, they might have given Sony more of a fight.
@@TheJacklikesvideos definitely. Games like Doom and AvP showed what the console could do in the right hands.
@@TheJacklikesvideos Jag is nowhere close to PS1 hardware. But yes, great games is all that matter. Better graphics on its own do not make a game better.
I got a jaguar in 94 when they were pretty new. Always wanted avp ...never got it. Was stuck with cyber morph.
I'd have been insanely jealous of your having a Jaguar back in the day, I always wanted one 😃. Did you buy it from a store or from the infomercials which had the angry guy shouting at Bob to buy a Jaguar? Cybermorph is a very 'unique' game, I think is the polite way of putting it lol.
@@fistfulofgamepad I think my mom bought it through the freeman's catalogue.. I got it for Christmas.. wish I kept it. I think I sold it for buttons a few years later.
I have always been curious about this game. Never owned a Jaguar. I had a Sega Saturn with Alien Trilogy which I still love but I always wanted to play as the alien. Finally got to on the PC later but this game was always the starting point fore dreams of this franchise crossover. Also the SNES beat’em up game was kind of a let down
Alien Trilogy is a classic but AvP on the PC definitely has the atmosphere and the scares, I lost count of the number times i was thrown backward in my chair after getting facehuggered lol. Absolutely agree with you about AvP on the SNES, such a let down.
Spot on I cudenot afford a pc but got this doom for Xmas young below me away and was best console for 2 mouth till mega cd came my way but I needed to play doom AVP so bad I had to get this
Better then psx games
Everytime you play one of these games as a human you are an ultimate badass, killing truckloads of xenos, while your entire squad always dies. Why exactly is this badass soldier who takes down the entire infestation single handedly, always a private? We need to discuss The Colonial Marine promotion system...
Haha!! 🤣
It’s weird that avp wasn’t included in the Atari 50 collection along with warbirds for lynx
Because it requires a license to do this. And it is not cheap.
What license Atari published both games
@@austinblack7991 Activision acquired a license for Alien and Predator games from Fox. And Atari got it from Activision. And it was very likely time limited. Thus without sorting out licensing issue Jag's AvP can't be published by anyone. It was the same with Goldeneye.
But Atari owns the rights to warbirds its their game
Also the avp license is own by sega
Gotta be honest, I preferred the AVP beat 'em up. Lot of these were lost on me when they were new, the first Wolfenstein or Doom port soiled my view of first person shooter (or adjacent) games on consoles. Outside of some libation fueled N64 GoldenEye sessions, I don't think I gave them a fair try again until Halo.
That's not to say I wasn't still a console gamer, too, I was just a little compartmentalized
The AvP beat-em-up is fantastic!! An absolute coin-muncher of a game, thats a licensed game definitely done right!
Many a Goldeneye sessions were had back in the day!
Halo was a game-changer when it game out, an absolute classic. I enjoyed Halo Infinite too which some people really aren't keen on, but each to their own.
3 hours?! Took me more like 3 months and had to use walkthroughs and maps to finish it.
The real reason to get a Jaguar is Iron Soldier though. Worked within the system limitations much better too. But AvP (and Towers II) did get you a console FPS with proper sidestep if you sit the controller on a book on your lap and use your thumbs on the keypad.
Finding the vent to the medbay was the biggest headache
Yup iron soldier was class , got stuck on the level with the first enemy robot until I figured to load out 3 missile sets to destroy it at a distance
@@jyyyb Yeah, I think that was the one.
Just FYI speed of player movement is completely unrelated to the FPS
Alien Resurrection is good! What a cool concept to capture, contain and study these "animals" and even try to clone a queen! *MUCH* better special effects than Alien 3 and an introduction to a new monster that's creepy as f***!
Do you plan to get the jaguar cd?
Not really. They were only released in a small number and they’re meant to be really unreliable. Plus I’m not sure there’s any decent games for them.
Well there’s home brew games for the jaguar also do you plan to get Wolfenstein 3D for the jaguar
There’s was a sequel to cybermorph for the jaguar cd
Also someone made a video on how to extend the life of the jaguar cd
@@austinblack7991 if I could get it for a sensible price I would. I’ve only ever played the SNES version which, while good at the time, was limited. Have you played Wolfenstein on Jag?
You can get it running much better with BigPEmu by clocking up the cores, far less jerky and controls feel nicer. Can also remap controls for strafe left/right etc.
Agree that the game is disappointing, it became fashionable to rate it highly a few years ago which the game doesn't warrant IMO. Maybe people were just astounded that the jag had an original game that wasn't absolutely atrocious.
I think it got good reviews at the time by nailing the vibe, including 3 play modes/characters, and coming less than a year after Doom. Yeah it's a clunky mess now, but it was probably a unique and sophisticated experience in 94.
I need to admit your fiancé at the time showed how much she loves you.
AVP on the jaguar was a fairly awful game when compared to doom. It was hwever aliens and predator themed fps which appealed to most teens at that time.
Atari gave up after this game.
I think they bet the farm on AvP but didn’t realise a console needs more than one decent game to survive.
It did not. The had a plan to make an expanded port of it on CD and AvP2.
@@fistfulofgamepad They realized it and they had plans for more AvP games as they had a license for it but they were out of money in 1995.
They also snagged the rights to MK3 but either because of $ or because they already conceded to fate, they opted not to bring it out.
You’ve got a great voice for narration and some smooth editing; couldn’t believe how low the view count was after this came up in my recommendations. Can’t wait to see what you do next
Thanks man, I’m glad you enjoyed it. I really enjoyed doing it. My next vid is in the works as we speak 😃
I experienced a lot of AvP on the Jaguar. There’s a board species locally that makes a sound nearly identical to the Predator’s clicking sound when they’re clocked and watching you. The first time I heard that bird after playing a bunch of AvP on the Jag, I actually froze in place, completely freaked out for a split second!
Lol, it was like never meet your heroes-you’re right. I bought the system in 2008 and finished Alien vs predator with all three characters. The marine was extremely tough, after you finish the final objective there is a timer for reaching safety, and the maps really did seem disorienting. Sold the system with all my games in 2019, after my Super Burnout cartridge went bad just sitting in a shelf.
i know you sold it in 2019... but if you ever encounter another cartridge going bad, try using a q-tip and "DeoxITLiquid, squeeze tube" (sold at a few places online) to clean the contacts real good. then insert and remove the cart a few times to help scrape off the remaining oxidation or debris/dust. that (and cleaning the Jaguar cart slot) has restored several used carts i've purchased over the last year that would normally give the Red Screen of Death.
...or you might already know all this, lolz
Great review, you nailed it. I got the game new with the console back in 95' for $50 USD from a mail order catalog (bargain bin price). It blew me away with the visuals and sound (just before the PS1 and Saturn hit the scene). However I was a bit too young to have the patience with the gameplay structure. I was 14 years old , went in playing it like Doom. I never even read the manual. I spent a lot of time with the game back then but did not make much progress. Today, I greatly appreciate the approach the developers made.
The sluggish framerate is not an issue for me. Rebellion really had ambition with this one, even if it meant taking the console too far. Most movie games were terrible. This was made with love. It's great to read what other features they had in mind that had to be scrapped because of limitations (like the Alien climbing walls, etc). It's because of these limitations that make the game so unique. The cancelled Jaguar CD sequel had these concepts that Rebellion would use for the 1999 Aliens Vs Predator game.
The game is just so timeless for me. Top 10 of all time for me. It's a great horror game for the Jag. I like to try a no death challenge with the marine...haven't done it yet. Also, killing the Queen is optional for the Marine..so that can be an added achievement.
There was no sequel on CD announced but they had plans to make an expanded version of it on CD and AvP2 by a company which made Ultra Vortek.
I was hoping you would like AVP, but clearly you think much better hardware was available at the time; however not even the FX2 Chip on the SNES would come close to AVP graphics and performance. One of the issues in this game performance is that Atari wanted it to be on a 2MB cart, and the developers had to beg to get it on a 4MB Cart. Even then, the game is highly compressed (said to be 14MB uncompressed.) So the DSP which normally does sound and music is being pushed as a decompression engine, and then, the DSP is connected to RAM by a 16 bit data bus (GPU, Blitter and Object Processor are connected to Ram 64 bit (cartridge 32 bit)) which then slows down other parts of the system with bus contention. A larger Cart could have sped things up as it would have reduced compression, as would have a CD version. Also this was still an early game on the Jaguar, so with new programming skills / tricks it could have been much faster, sort of like how Uncharted 1, vs 2, vs 3 on the PlayStation 3 evolved. And even though it runs slower, AVP looks much better than Alien Trilogy on the PlayStation.
Whatever one thinks of this game playing it 20 years later, understand that it was a triumph of atmosphere generation! This was not only before Halo, it was even before Goldeneye. It was truly the first excellent console-exclusive shooter IMO!
Agreed, it needs to be acknowledged how it helped develop the FPS on a console and was a definite showcase of atmosphere and tension.
@@fistfulofgamepad I actually really appreciated your video for that fact. It was fascinating to hear your observations, as someone who wanted to play it back in the day but didn't get to. I felt your review was quite fair. After 20 years of playing other shooters, I don't know how AvP on the Jag would feel for me now. I should get some kind of adaptor to hook my Jag up to a modern TV and find out. :)
Too bad it was only one of a handful of games available that made the Jaguar even worth considering. The console just didn't have any third party support. Once I wore out AVP, Doom and Tempest 2000, I found myself desperate for more games that looked interesting. Sadly there just wasn't that much available.
@@HeavyInstinct Agreed that its library was small. But luckily for me, games that I wanted to play came out *just* quickly enough for my liking. In addition to AvP and Tempest 2000, I also played the hell out of Iron Soldier and Hover Strike. Not an exclusive, but I also played a bunch of Cannon Fodder on the Jag. After that I switched to PC gaming for a while (especially Star Control 2, and.... one where you play as a squad of different insects that I can't remember the name of!), before switching back to console gaming when the Dreamcast came out.
Now you can play Jaguar AvP on PC using the emulator BigPEmu, running at a higher frame rate, with WASD/movement-strafing and mouse look turning controls. Multiplayer is also possible.
Apparently Rebellion claimed Gamesmaster TV show reviewed a Beta copy of AVP, some 3 months before the retail version and they were not at all happy:
Statement from Rebellion at the time:
‘ Gamesmaster [the television program] is produced about three months
ahead of time - so the version they were reviewing then was three
months old. What they had at that time was a pre-alpha version of
the game. We told them what else was going to be put into the game,
but the reviewers were, for some reason, not given this information
by the people who run Gamesmaster.
In fact, large areas of the map were not populated at that time;
the game was only two meg rather than four, so the majority of the
samples were absent.’
The gameplay is actually quite similar to Metroid Prime - an ego-Metroidvania" befor Metroidvania. Very unusual and overlooked for 1994.
I had an identical experience regarding seeing this game in magazines but never playing it.
I just loaded this up in BigPEmu, and I'm really surprised that overclocking had little effect. It makes the framerate stable, but it doesn't really make it any better, still maxes at about 15 fps. This would be so much more fun if it ran a little faster and a lot smoother.
IMO it would break its gameplay.
The BigPEmu dev actually made a framerate uncapper for this game as a demo for an upcoming script-based modding feature, though game speed is tied to framerate so trying to run it at even just 30 FPS will make it about twice the speed it should be.
Hopefully, the script will make it into the update and someone will be willing to put in the effort to decouple game logic from the framerate.
A very legendary game ,i played in the 1994🇮🇹🙋🏻♂️
Great review, sir. I begged for a Jaguar when I was 8 in the early 90's just for this. Worth it, though the console DEFINITELY suffers from a severe lack of good games. That said, the ones that are good are really good. Tempest 2000 is an all-time great in my book.
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Thanks dude, I'm glad you enjoyed it, it was a lot of fun to make and a game I'd wanted to review for ages. Tempest 200 is fantastic, love that game!! Simple yet SO addictive!
Thanks for the sub! 😀 More vids are on the way!😀
T2K rocks today!
I bought the Jaguar with AvP on the Atari Fair and I own it today. The game was great back then especially the sound design. I remember drawing the hole maps on a millimeter paper 😊
You would have definitely needed a map to navigate lol. It is of its time but its still effective today. a great game.
This is a great video! I too have wanted to play AVP for the Jaguar, but having already played Rebellion's (amazing) AVP FPS from the turn of the century, I suspect that this game will probably pale in comparison.
It was nice of you to inform viewers about the Unreal Engine 4 fan remake of the game, and to show footage of it.
I hope to see more videos like this one. You have a new subscriber. (Just hope that UA-cam doesn't shadowban your channel.)
If you’ve played the PC or Xbox 360/ PS3 versions then Jag AvP will definitely look, feel and play very dated. It’s very much a 90s game in every way.
The Unreal 4 version looks very promising and can hopefully show people more of what the Jag developers wanted achieve but couldn’t.
Thanks for subscribing, I really appreciate it. Iv got my next video in the works as we speak and it should be out soon 😃
This game seems quaint now but in 1994 (barely 8 years after Aliens) this game was something else.
Definitely agree with you on that, at the time it was almost like playing the film and graphically was a standout.
Thank you for this video. I bought a Jaguar just for this game too. Seemed crazy at the time but it was worth every penny.
You're welcome, I'm glad you enjoyed it. It does seem to be the main reason a lot of people boughts Jaguars but it's worth it.
I had this when it originally came out. It was utterly superb- so atmospheric. I’m getting a GD this week so am going to play through it again. However this wasn’t’T THE BEST REASON TO BUY A jag back then as many may say. That was Tempest 2000- which is probably the greatest video game ever made.
I had a Jag as well, and this was definitely one of the best games for it.
I thought the slowness of the game added to the overall tension of the game
They could a have had a better framerate if they had reduced the screen size
Framerate of it does not impact it negatively though.
Hi guys. I played this game on that time. Now I'm a game producer, would love to show my work for you and maybe do an Alien tribute game for all the fans in the future. Wish you the best and nice video man👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Sounds like your disappointment came from the dated mechanics like the framerate and level structure, but not from the game itself.
I think if I'd played it back in the day I'd have enjoyed it a lot more and been wowed by the graphics etc more. It's still a great game :)
@@fistfulofgamepadsadly Jane Whittaker's Spaghetti A I code, really killed the frame rate.
Great idea, use the 68000 to run A. I routines, but dear god, optimise the code.
Same, brought it when it came out. What atmospheric sound! Really made the slowness bearable. I think it was amazing!
I asked for an ATARI 64 specifically to play THIS game. What I didn't know was that the ATARI 64 was going to go out of business one year later. Totally worth it. Got a PSX the following Christmas.
Hello! 🙂 I from Eastern Europe and I ask you to sorry me for my poor English. Thank you very much for very interesting video story. I happy what finally you play in this game, about which be your dream so long. I never not saw Jaguar console and never played it, but I only heard about it. And for me it very interesting to watch your video, and knew more about it absolutely unknown for me part of video games history (like arcade video machines) which be rare in my time retarded country. Unfortunately, I from Russia and I very ashamed of it, I think you understand me. I and my family shocked by the way thing going so wrong here and someday “young democracy” mutated in version of “4-th Nazi Reich”. In 90’s after USSR fall, video games world come, it be very positive, interesting, bright time, time of new knowledge about world, it time of new hope and great expectations about future. And we knew about video games, appears consoles Dendy (8 bit analog of NES made in Taiwan), 16 bit Sega MD2 and later appeared SNES. And be one Panasonic 3DO, it stay on Arbat street in Moscow (be market Moskvichka) it stay near section of furs coats 🧥. I like Star Wars and movies about Aliens and Predator. I love fantastic movies very much. And I think if in what time I saw your “AVP” Jaguar game I must be faint away too, and dreamed about it like you 😉
And after watching your “AVP” story I want to try play it on emulator, and I agree what maybe today game developers may return to that conception and try lo remake this game, and it will open all potential of this project. I played in “AVP 1 and 2” on PC, and AVP (2010) on xbox360, I very like this games, but 1 and 2 parts more better when 2010 version by my opinion. And I very like Alien Isolation game, but only little disappointment be what I expected to met Predator in some moment in game (and not necessarily be evident met). And be good game on Xbox original and PS2 “Predator concrete jungle”. Thank you very much again. P.S. In internet I met information what it connect Lynx to Jaguar in AVP game, move tracker (radar) will be working on Lynx display.
30 years later I never knew you could get face huggers off 😂 thought it was an automatic death
Fun fact, I phoned around the shops for a Jaguar on release day. They had all sold out and heard 10-30 units was all some shops got. A tip off then came in of a shop which wasn't well known for selling consoles had 25 of em. Went to the shop and yes, bought one 💪
In general most of the games for the 64bit Jag left a bad taste in your mouth 😂
The game still holds up to this day. Not sure what that says about the state of modern programming.
I was actually able to get a beta cartridge of Alien vs Predator for the Atari Lynx.
NIB of course.
I agree with this review I cannot believe somebody finally had the nerve to say the truth about the AVP movies all of them I agree do not stick to the source material they’ve tried and failed even the prey movie was not good at all I mean there was a CGI bear OK CGI bear and a CGI predator and he sucked he still sucked
They could a have had a better framerate if they had reduced the screen size
I read the comics Yong b4 film came out when film cam out I told them for 10 years ago film will happen magical day never forget
Jaguar sounds better pronounced with two syllables.
Change my mind.
I have a copy right here on my shelf. I just played it recently. It's still pretty awesome.
A friend of a friend owned a Jaguar and I borrowed it just to play AvP.
if it was any good it wouldnt have been hard to get
I wish this console could have taken off its awesome
First 3d Metroidvania - one of the best game.
i own and love it..i d say its more of a wolf 3d clone...btw did u know a ps1 port was cancelled?
I did not know that. Just had a look online and saw some very blurry, VHS-quality footage of E3 1997 which had a brief clip of it, looks interesting, would have been interesting to see what would have become of it.
I got the game when it first came out and loved it. Considering my first taste of an FPS was Zero Tolerance on the Sega Genesis this game seemed smooth. What I didn't like was the brutal difficulty and the map layout. The air ducts were hard to navigate. I liked the Atari Jaguar and eventually had 56 boxed games with the CD add-on. I should have never sold it since all that stuff is worth a lot now.
Aww man, 56 boxed games and a Jag CD would be worth a mint now, but I guess at the time you did what you had to. I've done the same, sold games/ consoles and then a few years later wish I hadn't.
Zero Tolerance was a head of its time with its 2 console link-up, but I was never able to do it as none of my other friends had it. ZT was as Doom-like as we Megadrive/ Genesis owners were going to get back in the day, at least until Doom on the 32X came out, and even then we still didn't get a decent version of Doom lol.
@@fistfulofgamepad Doom on the Jaguar was the best console port until the PSone version came out/
Great story. I always wanted a Jaguar too.
Genius Review. Needs more views. Love it. Thank you for that!
Thank you. I’m glad you enjoyed it. There’s more vids on the way! 🙂