After 35 years of photojournalism, my two favorite cameras for street photography are the lightweight Nikon D5 and D4s. I like taking four lenses. Nikkor 17-35mm f/2.8 AFS, Nikkor 28-70mm f/2.8 AFS, Nikkor 80-200mm f/2.8 AFS, and the 200mm-500mm f/5.6 VR. Then gear is built like tanks and cover all the focal lengths I need.
Love the Panasonic 20mm f1.7 for it's compact look, image quality and most of all it's so easy to carry around in your pocket. I had it from a Lumix GF1 but use it on my GX1, GM1 and GX80 as too.
@@bastian.michel Yeah it is frustratingly slow. And have been wondering what the 15mm Leica is like. It's just moved higher up my list of next lenses! Thanks for the feedback!
This little monster is a beast of street and traveling not because of its image quality but because this tiny little beast is neck and shoulder friendly and stranger friendly too!
Just picked up an A7C II and a Samyang 35/2.8 and while it's not super pancake it still fits into a jacket pocket without too much issue. No matter what I did I couldn't get on with my X100F so was trying to replicate that in a FF body and think I've got it bang on.
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I shoot with a GX1 and the 14mm 2.5 (I also use the 7artisans UFO lens a lot) and it’s been the best setup for my black and white candids pretty much ever. I sold off everything else and only kept my GFX50S so I basically have the smallest lightest camera I’ve ever used and one of the heaviest and slowest cameras but they do their specific jobs better than anything else!
Honestly you're so right! Real camera is such a place to go for cameras and lenses, always give you great quality gear, Love my Sigma Zoom that I got from them 24-40 2.8 for Street, the wider the better, getting to capture a wide field of view is so important when doing street, unless you want specific subjects. Imo, all you need is a 20-24mm lens, a 35mm, a 50mm (if you want Pentacon 50 1.8 is great for the price) an 85mm for portraits. when doing street. I don't care too much on the 135mm but they are nice sometimes.
I really love my Panasonic 14mm f2.5 and it is almost always in my camera. I had an A7II with the Tamron 28-75mm and the difference in size is massive, while I still enjoy the the pictures, so it's a win for me.
Began with a NEX-6 and then on to the a6000 and the 20mm which is constantly on it. Although I also take more kit with me sometimes, like the 35 f1.8 on the a6400 or even the Zeiss 55 on the A7R 2, the first combo always comes along in a pocket (no strap) and shot from the waist with the screen out.
Update: I sold all my gear to be able to get two cameras in one. It’s called the Sony a7CR and it’s a full frame at 60Mp and at the same time an APS-C at 26Mp. So, that 20mm was swapped for the 24mm G f2.8 which, at the push of a button doubles up as a 36mm. And boy can you crop …
@@m3photo726 Hope you enjoy it. Love my A7r4 with the same sensor. However the A7cr with the 24/2.8G has a different field of view compared to the A6400 with the 20mm. Sony should make a better 28mm then the current 28/2.
@@addylandzaat8080 Quite right of course, although that small difference at the wide end offers an advantage when needed in tight spaces and cropping down to a 30mm equivalent still leaves a large image for printing. An equivalent up to date full frame 28 or 30 mm pancake would be ideal too! However I wouldn’t think it could stretch to an f2 …
The 40mm 2.8 is great too! I used it on my canon M50 and now on A7C. Seems smoother on the M50 but that could be bc I used it a lot more on that one. Either way, really fun lens
My kit would be laughable by trend. I use the a6000 primarily with the 20mm f/2.8 and for wider frame I add the Ultra Wide Converter. For stabilization I have a Zhiyun Crane M2S. Finally for audio I use ECM G1 microphone.
I always enjoy your videos, they not only make me smile, but you have really great content. Some of the best on UA-cam. I was a bit disappointed that you didn't addopt a micro 4/3 camera as your street photography kit. Oh well to each his own. Great work. Please keep the videos coming. Tell you what, you keep them coming and I will keep on watching!
I have paid thousands of pounds to a psychotherapist to rid myself of crippling guilt for buying a M43 system. Watching your channel, I could have save all that cash. 😂 Very entertaining and informative channel. Thanks.
A camera and lens combo I really liked for street is a Lumix GM1 with the Lumix 42.5mm f/1.8. It's not a pancake but it's smaller than most APS-C or full frame cameras with a pancake, and gives you that portrait reach. Probably better combined with a more modem body even if slightly larger. The 2013 autofocus and lag and ergonomics of the GM1 aren't great. But I like that I can attach it to my sling bag strap as a second camera and it's just kind of there, can shoot it without disconnecting.
I love the GM1! It's a tiny joy! I just personally need the EVF but totally agree that it's amazing! I used Olympus SLR lenses and they render beautiful images.
For street photography I like to use my Sony A5100 with the E PZ 16-50 F3.5-5.6 pancake kit zoom. It has a usable image quality when stopped down to F8 (not good as the 16 or 20mm pancakes, but hey, it's a zoom lens with oss), i like it's quick autofocus, and when shooting video, the OSS is very decent for even today, and it's relatively small. However if I want to bring a little vintage style to the photos, I "fill" my pocket with 3 little Pentax 110 lenses: 18-24-50mm F2.8, as they can fit everywhere as they are very tiny :)
I really like my old em5 mk1 with a lumix 25mm 1.7, 42.5 1.7 and Olympus 17mm 1.8. If I have my small shoulder bag will throw in an Olympus 14-150 and 75-300 II. That is a complete light weight kit that covers most everything. Really I can go all day with the 25mm 1.7 and I like the look the em5 brings.
I also recently bought a6700 and very new to youtube and trying to make it. I purchased the 16 1.4 for videos and 56 1.4 for portraits and looking to get a pancake just for the very reason, street photography.
When I used the Canon EOS system I had the 40mm f2.8 pancake and this was a brilliant lens with a really close focus. Full frame too. I still tend to use my old Fuji X100s for street photography though.... I also now have an old Canon 28mm FD f2.8 which I use with an adapter on my Sony cameras.
Thought you had finally found the perfect pancake lens and letting us all know, but turns out its about the hunt of finding the perfect lens we're all hunting for lol.
3:07 - next time you're in New Bailey I suggest paying a visit to Spice and Grind Coffee, which is served from that little green horsebox you can see in the background.
oh sorry maybe I missed that haha I have a a7cr and I can't go back to APS-C basically a a7r IV in a small body with plenty of res if you want to use a small aps-c lens@@GeorgeHolden
I keep meaning to pick up one of these Sony 20mm lenses, but my favourite street photography lens at the moment is my tiny Samyang 24mm f2.8. Super small, really light, very inexpensive, but i love the aesthetic of the pictures it produces
Mmmm pancake 😂 The evolution of the gear we use is pretty interesting, when I see someone walking around with a tiny camera and pancake lens, I just assume they’ve been doing this a while. How many people start out with a tank and 20 lenses, only to progress to a single small body and one prime? 🤔
I have the Sony A6500 with the 20mm f2.8 pancake lens and cause of this size I take my camera just everywhere! Even better in sketchy locations - easy to hide and not too much worth if you would get ripped 😅
hi... what do you think about the lens image quality?is it any good? i really want to get this lens, but a lot reviews says it has a poor image quality than this lens not any better than iphone camera's image quality
@@louismaxell Hey! I would never call the quality of this lense "poor". I think for this size it´s the most quality you can get out of a lense. And personally I like that it´s a bit softer - gives it a natural look. Of course the 20mm f2.8 pancake is not as sharp as premium glass, but in my opinion thats not the case of use for this lense. I got this lense most of the time on my A6500 and this combination ist so small - I take it everywhere I go. The best camera is the one you take everywhere you go. And thats the case of use for me with A6500+20mm f2.8 pancake. If you wanna go for the best quality of course you have to buy bigger and heavier lenses. A good alternative to the 20mm is maybe the Sigma 23mm f1.4 lense. I dont own one, but Sigma is never disappointing. But of course - its bigger.
Thanks for the video, I have a Nikon D5100 for more years than I like to say. But still love it and would love small lenses for travel. Don't wish to change my camera, can someone advise me on a pancake lenses or small as possible for it. Cheers David.
Nikon d5100 is quite good camera even today, but Nikon didn't make any pancakes lenses for the system, except maybe 35mm f1.8g, but it's 52mm equivalent, it's not really an everyday lens.
In 2019, after 15 years of APS-C DSLR and mirrorless shooting, I went full frame with a Nikon Z6... and kinda regretted it? The FF body sizes are fine but the extra heft and size of modern full frame lenses have made me less inclined to bring my camera along when I'm doing something other than dedicated shooting. I now have the 28mm and 40mm primes which are small and lightweight but I still feel the pull to go back to my Sony a6000 as an everyday carry.
Ive been wanting this lens to go with my zve10 for street for a while now and now i think i want it more lol. Seems like a perfrct stealth combo. I generally use my sigma 30mm 1.4 which renders gorgeous photos, especially at night, but at the same time it aint discreet! Feels like this 20mm 2.8 with the zve10 might gibe the ricoh gr3 a run for its money? Maybe? At least thats my hope. Plus on the video side its actually pretty decent
@@hmmmnope2455 No not yet sadly. Havent been able to afford it. I also have been wanting to acquire an a5100 to also pair this lens with. As a back up to my zve10 lol
@@jotaudio1 No not yet sadly. Havent been able to afford it. I also have been wanting to acquire an a5100 to also pair this lens with. As a back up to my zve10 lol
I loved the 20mm 2.8 Sony. It got a bad wrap because its brother the 16mm is garbage. I ended up selling it though for the 35mm 1.8 OSS. It’s better and small while not being a pancake though.
The 35mm 1.8 is a very nice lens and I use it constantly. And OSS is a feature that gets overlooked these days because of advances in in body stabilization and gimbals. But I appreciate what it can do. Excellent lens.
So, its better IQ than the kit lens? I have plans for getting this 20mm, but I'm unsure if its worth the jump from the 16-50 PZ (wich I'm not big fan of)
I have a Nikon 1J1 with a 1Nikkor 10mm (27mm equiv.) f2.8 pancake lens. I also have the 1Nikkor 18.5 mm (49mm) f1.8 that isn't much bigger. I've taken some nice photos with both lenses. The 1j1 is a quirky little camera that can be a bit frustrating at times but the focus is so fast and with the 10 on it it's so easy to carry around in a pants or jacket pocket.
The vast choices of cameras today is a plus, and a negative. I am an old timer (70 years old) I always used Olympus OM systems because of size, and quiet shutter. I preferred the 28 mm at f 5.6 or f8 which I always carried set in a depth of field scale. I never had to focus, I could even shoot without looking. Now in my day people were not as aware of photographers as they are today. Everyone today thinks one has some nefarious intention with the photo, I can't say I blame them since photoshop has made manipulation of images very easy. My age & gray hair has saved me from some angry individuals wanting to beat my butt for taking a shot in their direction. I will make one bold statement A.I, will put the final nail in photography' s coffin it's over folks.
Excellent video. These are the lessons I've been learning in my journey as a street photographer. The photo I sent you in the contest email was actually shot with a Panasonic bridge camera (FZ80/82) and that sensor is TINY... But I think the technology inside that one plus the super zoom make it a very fun, easy, and interesting camera to use. I also have a T2i, 80D, and a 5D Classic
I don't think there's anything wrong with having smaller sensors as long as they do the job you need. i.e. You might not necessarily want a low-end tiny sensor camera that doesn't do well at high ISO if you're always doing shoots at night. My first camera (to call my own) was a Pany FZ-20 that my buddy (semi-pro photog due to his career in creative arts & media) helped me choose. It ticked the right boxes (at the time; 2004) for what I needed to learn the basics of photography - Aperture/ Shutter Priority + Manual Exposure modes, a (super at the time) zoom that covered at least the 28-70mm (135 format) range, and a relatively fast lens (F2.8 throughout the range) to learn about depth of field. Heck, it even had a 'macro' super close-up mode. Only after I had picked up the bare basics would my buddy then introduce me to using mechanical film cameras and other more 'niche' use prime lenses (fisheye; ultrawides; macro etc.). All things considered, the FZ-20 was amazing for its price point during that era. It didn't quite have the high ISO performance of an APS-C camera (Canon 300D/ aka Digital Rebel) but it was much better than a happy snappy point and shoot. In his words: Just shoot what you think is interesting even if you're using full automatic mode. Moments will pass you by if you're trying to adjust for technicalities in the shot. Composition (framing) and the story you tell is more important than whether the image has great camera techniques applied behind it.
My guy, great video I asked if you could do a vid on the 20 2.8 and you came through for me. Much respect! I'm just still hoping Sigma drops an 18 f2 or 2.8 pancake and 23 f2 close to pancake at least next year for APS-C.
Favourite mft pancake? So many around. I'm a poor pensioner with 2012 era Olympus cameras - an E-P3 and OMD E-M1. I've been trying to convince my wife the need for a pancake for everything I'm thinking 24-40mm in 35mm equivalent. Love to hear your thoughts George. My favourite walkaround film camera was Either A Ricoh GR1/28mm or Minolta XD with 24mm, so I'm favouring those wider angles
one of the reasons i bought an em10 iii was you. i thought it was small because it looked small in your hands. i thought i can use it as my main street photography camera. i wonder if you can use a pentax Q series camera 😂 (i have a q10 as my main street camera)
Just picked up a Sony RX1R because its so small, but I live in a warm climate and I basically have to have it pocketable. I don't even think the NEX5 would do me. Gotta go to ricoh or some shit now 🙃 great video btw. super under rated for 33k subs
It's a shame Pentax doesn't make smaller cameras, because they are one of the few manufacturers committed to a comprehensive range of pancake lenses... Their Limiteds are absolutely lovely!
I usually carry either my Ricoh GR3 or GX1 with a small lens in a tomtoc sling (the smallest one they offer, I have the medium size one as well but at that point I’d prefer a small backpack).
hi... what do you think about the lens image quality?is it any good? i really want to get this lens, but a lot reviews says it has a poor image quality than this lens not any better than iphone camera's image quality
@@louismaxell Nowadays I'm still think this is a good lens, but I use another today, it's a 27mm F2.8 from TTArtisan. And I really enjoy, search for this alternative! I make a video talking this lens: ua-cam.com/video/iSW8bhkoxYE/v-deo.htmlsi=t5_g0zD_SmIIrALK
i have an xpro 3 now and i definitely miss the ergonomics of those a6000 cameras. the 6400 was probably the nicest camera to old that ive ever had. the xpro feels like a brick
Personally I do prefer (high quality) zoom lenses as they do offer more versatility. When being around your own kids, this can be a key feature. Kids will almost never stop for a picture. My personal choice is a 28-75mm Tamron f2.8 and a 50-400mm Tamron F4.5-6.3. I will never need another glass.
Hi George, do you have any sample footage of the NEX-5? I mean, you teased the combination in the video so those of us who have one of those cameras or siblings of it (I have a NEX-5N) we're left to wonder.
In the film days, two of my favorite lenses were the wide angle Zuiko 28mm and 24mm f/2.8 pancake lenses. Why can't they make digital full frame lenses like those today?
Hi George, I love the Ikigai diagram! I need that! I too am a nut for pancake lenses and prefer the 28-40 mil. As of late, I'm using touch to shoot on my digital rangefinders when moving quickly between streets. In these cases, I need the smallest, most nimble yet responsive kit. I'm seriously considering getting a small sony set up and leaving my Fuji at home during travel for these instances.
thinking about picking one up w a 6100 for youtube content and continuing street photography after yrs ! do you think itd make for a great match/setup? or should i go for the a6400 which ive also been eyeing? thanks in advance 🙇🏾
Nice Reality check. I bought the Canon 24/2.8 pancake for its video attributes then found out it is much handier than the heavy expensive 24/1.4 EF that I bought for $1600. The aps-c. Format of smaller Canon Dslrs works.
I am beginner in photography. I bought a used Sony A7s2. New 24-70 2.8 lens. How much power flash would be enough to shoot outdoors? I would be doing street photography and portraits. I would want to take this flash with me easily and during travelling. Should I go for on camera flash or off camera flash This would be 1st flash that I would buy. What are your suggestions for flash? Also suggest soft box and tripod (either camera or flash would be tripod as I can hold only 1 thing) for travelling.
I've been thinking in have a R8 and RF 28mm pancake just for fun and portability probably there are best options, but i'm already inside RF ecosystem :)
Really awesome video like always! I might put some money into a wide angle lens since I'm doing allot of festival photography rn. Just don't know which one...
I am sure this is already addressed but I couldn't find it. Could I use this on full frame cameras? What would be the conversion of a APCS 28 mm to full frame mm?
I've shot some talking head stuff with it and it works well, it has a 49mm filter thread which is a bit small but still good for ND filters if you're filming outdoors
@@GeorgeHolden Whoaa really? just tried Sony 16mm F2.8 yesterday and performing unstopable focus breathing while using AF-C, but it's works well using AF-S. Might bought one 20mm F2.8 this month, thanks
@@noobiesplayer2412 I had the 16mm too, both will have focus breathing but yes with the A6700 it's not a problem. Two very nice pancakes to have on your plate 🥞
I ended up going with a used gen one Leica Q. Zone focus is a must in the street imo, but isolating subjects at wide aperture is very challenging in hectic conditions. The Q is the only real option to offer both in one "small" package. I used that 20 many years ago on the A6000 though and it was supremely compact and usably sharp. Oh.. and fwiw, I think you maybe meant Venn Diagram? The technique used to visually represent Ikigai there, which is a specific Japanese philosophy of sorts. Unless I misunderstood. Which is quite likely from my experience 💩
That's cool! And yes that was a Venn diagram of the Ikigai process, Ikigai is just my analogy for the perfect meeting of needs. Just trying to make my ideas more visual!
Right in time! Recently i was planning to buy a pancake lens to pair with my super tiny gx800 but im not sure what focal length to choose. 14mm f2.5 or 20mm f1.7.. Also love the oly 45mm but thats not that tiny hahaha. Greetings!
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After 35 years of photojournalism, my two favorite cameras for street photography are the lightweight Nikon D5 and D4s. I like taking four lenses. Nikkor 17-35mm f/2.8 AFS, Nikkor 28-70mm f/2.8 AFS, Nikkor 80-200mm f/2.8 AFS, and the 200mm-500mm f/5.6 VR. Then gear is built like tanks and cover all the focal lengths I need.
Love the Panasonic 20mm f1.7 for it's compact look, image quality and most of all it's so easy to carry around in your pocket. I had it from a Lumix GF1 but use it on my GX1, GM1 and GX80 as too.
Totally agree!
I missed a lot of shots with this one. AF is so slow. I replaced it with the 15mm Leica. Perfect.
@@bastian.michel Yeah it is frustratingly slow. And have been wondering what the 15mm Leica is like. It's just moved higher up my list of next lenses! Thanks for the feedback!
This little monster is a beast of street and traveling not because of its image quality but because this tiny little beast is neck and shoulder friendly and stranger friendly too!
Just picked up an A7C II and a Samyang 35/2.8 and while it's not super pancake it still fits into a jacket pocket without too much issue. No matter what I did I couldn't get on with my X100F so was trying to replicate that in a FF body and think I've got it bang on.
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I shoot with a GX1 and the 14mm 2.5 (I also use the 7artisans UFO lens a lot) and it’s been the best setup for my black and white candids pretty much ever. I sold off everything else and only kept my GFX50S so I basically have the smallest lightest camera I’ve ever used and one of the heaviest and slowest cameras but they do their specific jobs better than anything else!
Honestly you're so right! Real camera is such a place to go for cameras and lenses, always give you great quality gear, Love my Sigma Zoom that I got from them 24-40 2.8 for Street, the wider the better, getting to capture a wide field of view is so important when doing street, unless you want specific subjects.
Imo, all you need is a 20-24mm lens, a 35mm, a 50mm (if you want Pentacon 50 1.8 is great for the price) an 85mm for portraits. when doing street. I don't care too much on the 135mm but they are nice sometimes.
Your posts are so well produced, informative, and appreciated for your sense of humour that screams my inner voice.
I really love my Panasonic 14mm f2.5 and it is almost always in my camera. I had an A7II with the Tamron 28-75mm and the difference in size is massive, while I still enjoy the the pictures, so it's a win for me.
What camera do you use the 14mm on out of interest?
@@coxbright mostly on an EM5 mkIII since is my main camera now but also on EPL7
you should add chapters :)
I will!
There would be a hard timing naming the end!
he did not
@@TheTanglingTreats Refurbish my pancake, maybe.
It’s only 8 minutes 😅
Began with a NEX-6 and then on to the a6000 and the 20mm which is constantly on it. Although I also take more kit with me sometimes, like the 35 f1.8 on the a6400 or even the Zeiss 55 on the A7R 2, the first combo always comes along in a pocket (no strap) and shot from the waist with the screen out.
Update: I sold all my gear to be able to get two cameras in one. It’s called the Sony a7CR and it’s a full frame at 60Mp and at the same time an APS-C at 26Mp. So, that 20mm was swapped for the 24mm G f2.8 which, at the push of a button doubles up as a 36mm. And boy can you crop …
@@m3photo726 Hope you enjoy it. Love my A7r4 with the same sensor. However the A7cr with the 24/2.8G has a different field of view compared to the A6400 with the 20mm. Sony should make a better 28mm then the current 28/2.
@@addylandzaat8080 Quite right of course, although that small difference at the wide end offers an advantage when needed in tight spaces and cropping down to a 30mm equivalent still leaves a large image for printing. An equivalent up to date full frame 28 or 30 mm pancake would be ideal too! However I wouldn’t think it could stretch to an f2 …
@@m3photo726 f/2 is not a necessity, just sometghing better then the current one :) Also love the cropability of the 61mp sensor is amzing!
I bought the canon 24mm 2.8 pancake lens, and i like it! Very versatile and compact
The 40mm 2.8 is great too! I used it on my canon M50 and now on A7C. Seems smoother on the M50 but that could be bc I used it a lot more on that one. Either way, really fun lens
Fujifilm X-E4 and 18mm f2 is my EDC and street go-to setup!
My kit would be laughable by trend. I use the a6000 primarily with the 20mm f/2.8 and for wider frame I add the Ultra Wide Converter. For stabilization I have a Zhiyun Crane M2S. Finally for audio I use ECM G1 microphone.
I use this lens with the fx3 on full frame mode + active steady shot. Very minimum vignette, I just crop in about 5-10% in post.
Interesting! Thanks for sharing!
I always enjoy your videos, they not only make me smile, but you have really great content. Some of the best on UA-cam. I was a bit disappointed that you didn't addopt a micro 4/3 camera as your street photography kit. Oh well to each his own. Great work. Please keep the videos coming. Tell you what, you keep them coming and I will keep on watching!
I have paid thousands of pounds to a psychotherapist to rid myself of crippling guilt for buying a M43 system. Watching your channel, I could have save all that cash. 😂 Very entertaining and informative channel. Thanks.
A camera and lens combo I really liked for street is a Lumix GM1 with the Lumix 42.5mm f/1.8. It's not a pancake but it's smaller than most APS-C or full frame cameras with a pancake, and gives you that portrait reach. Probably better combined with a more modem body even if slightly larger. The 2013 autofocus and lag and ergonomics of the GM1 aren't great. But I like that I can attach it to my sling bag strap as a second camera and it's just kind of there, can shoot it without disconnecting.
I love the GM1! It's a tiny joy! I just personally need the EVF but totally agree that it's amazing! I used Olympus SLR lenses and they render beautiful images.
This 20mm lens is amazing! I use it on my a7riv is square aspect ratio or apsc mode as my walkaround setup.
For street photography I like to use my Sony A5100 with the E PZ 16-50 F3.5-5.6 pancake kit zoom. It has a usable image quality when stopped down to F8 (not good as the 16 or 20mm pancakes, but hey, it's a zoom lens with oss), i like it's quick autofocus, and when shooting video, the OSS is very decent for even today, and it's relatively small.
However if I want to bring a little vintage style to the photos, I "fill" my pocket with 3 little Pentax 110 lenses: 18-24-50mm F2.8, as they can fit everywhere as they are very tiny :)
@tnor90 can i ask what kind of adapter are you using for the Pentax lenses on your sony camera?
@@lostepney4972 It's a cheap 110-NEX adapter from Ebay or Aliexpress, nothing fancy.
I really like my old em5 mk1 with a lumix 25mm 1.7, 42.5 1.7 and Olympus 17mm 1.8. If I have my small shoulder bag will throw in an Olympus 14-150 and 75-300 II. That is a complete light weight kit that covers most everything.
Really I can go all day with the 25mm 1.7 and I like the look the em5 brings.
Sony Nex 3/5 + the 20mm 2.8 one of the greated combinations
Great vids, great storytelling, great humour and great vibes. Keep it up man!
Glad you enjoyed it!
You've convinced me from getting a Rico GRIIIx. just because the pancake lens are much more affordable.
I also recently bought a6700 and very new to youtube and trying to make it. I purchased the 16 1.4 for videos and 56 1.4 for portraits and looking to get a pancake just for the very reason, street photography.
I'm very interested in your thoughts on camera bags and would love to see a video explaining them
I never thought anyone would be interested! Maybe I will soon
When I used the Canon EOS system I had the 40mm f2.8 pancake and this was a brilliant lens with a really close focus. Full frame too. I still tend to use my old Fuji X100s for street photography though.... I also now have an old Canon 28mm FD f2.8 which I use with an adapter on my Sony cameras.
Thought you had finally found the perfect pancake lens and letting us all know, but turns out its about the hunt of finding the perfect lens we're all hunting for lol.
Sadly there is no perfect lens for everyone 💔
3:07 - next time you're in New Bailey I suggest paying a visit to Spice and Grind Coffee, which is served from that little green horsebox you can see in the background.
Thank you! Will check it out 👍
you should revisit this with a a7c a7cII or a7cr they are smolll an ff match made in heaven
Did a few videos on the A7C when I owned one for 3 years
oh sorry maybe I missed that haha I have a a7cr and I can't go back to APS-C basically a a7r IV in a small body with plenty of res if you want to use a small aps-c lens@@GeorgeHolden
"Don't forget to comment 'fecal' if you get to this part of the video guys! You're the real ones!"
-George Holden 2023
Took the 💩 right outta my mouth
Took me a second to realize you were in Austin, but I know the guy sitting on the bench at 4:16! Really fun to see haha Love your channel!
I keep meaning to pick up one of these Sony 20mm lenses, but my favourite street photography lens at the moment is my tiny Samyang 24mm f2.8.
Super small, really light, very inexpensive, but i love the aesthetic of the pictures it produces
Mmmm pancake 😂
The evolution of the gear we use is pretty interesting, when I see someone walking around with a tiny camera and pancake lens, I just assume they’ve been doing this a while. How many people start out with a tank and 20 lenses, only to progress to a single small body and one prime? 🤔
Canon EOS M6 Mark ii with the EFM 22mm f/2 Macro is my everyday carry and my main street photography Kit!!!
The ending gave me Trainspotting vibes, haha. I take a lot of pictures at the skatepark, so this video helped out quite a bit :)
I will take the Trainspotting comparison!
I have the Sony A6500 with the 20mm f2.8 pancake lens and cause of this size I take my camera just everywhere!
Even better in sketchy locations - easy to hide and not too much worth if you would get ripped 😅
hi... what do you think about the lens image quality?is it any good? i really want to get this lens, but a lot reviews says it has a poor image quality than this lens not any better than iphone camera's image quality
@@louismaxell
Hey!
I would never call the quality of this lense "poor".
I think for this size it´s the most quality you can get out of a lense. And personally I like that it´s a bit softer - gives it a natural look.
Of course the 20mm f2.8 pancake is not as sharp as premium glass, but in my opinion thats not the case of use for this lense.
I got this lense most of the time on my A6500 and this combination ist so small - I take it everywhere I go.
The best camera is the one you take everywhere you go. And thats the case of use for me with A6500+20mm f2.8 pancake.
If you wanna go for the best quality of course you have to buy bigger and heavier lenses.
A good alternative to the 20mm is maybe the Sigma 23mm f1.4 lense.
I dont own one, but Sigma is never disappointing.
But of course - its bigger.
Thanks for the video, I have a Nikon D5100 for more years than I like to say. But still love it and would love small lenses for travel. Don't wish to change my camera, can someone advise me on a pancake lenses or small as possible for it. Cheers David.
Nikon d5100 is quite good camera even today, but Nikon didn't make any pancakes lenses for the system, except maybe 35mm f1.8g, but it's 52mm equivalent, it's not really an everyday lens.
In 2019, after 15 years of APS-C DSLR and mirrorless shooting, I went full frame with a Nikon Z6... and kinda regretted it? The FF body sizes are fine but the extra heft and size of modern full frame lenses have made me less inclined to bring my camera along when I'm doing something other than dedicated shooting. I now have the 28mm and 40mm primes which are small and lightweight but I still feel the pull to go back to my Sony a6000 as an everyday carry.
Ive been wanting this lens to go with my zve10 for street for a while now and now i think i want it more lol. Seems like a perfrct stealth combo. I generally use my sigma 30mm 1.4 which renders gorgeous photos, especially at night, but at the same time it aint discreet! Feels like this 20mm 2.8 with the zve10 might gibe the ricoh gr3 a run for its money? Maybe? At least thats my hope. Plus on the video side its actually pretty decent
I want to try this combo too, did you get this lens yet?
@@hmmmnope2455 no not yet actually. Haven't had the extra funds just yet
Did you ever get it?
@@hmmmnope2455 No not yet sadly. Havent been able to afford it. I also have been wanting to acquire an a5100 to also pair this lens with. As a back up to my zve10 lol
@@jotaudio1 No not yet sadly. Havent been able to afford it. I also have been wanting to acquire an a5100 to also pair this lens with. As a back up to my zve10 lol
I loved the 20mm 2.8 Sony. It got a bad wrap because its brother the 16mm is garbage. I ended up selling it though for the 35mm 1.8 OSS. It’s better and small while not being a pancake though.
The 35mm 1.8 is a very nice lens and I use it constantly. And OSS is a feature that gets overlooked these days because of advances in in body stabilization and gimbals. But I appreciate what it can do. Excellent lens.
So, its better IQ than the kit lens? I have plans for getting this 20mm, but I'm unsure if its worth the jump from the 16-50 PZ (wich I'm not big fan of)
@@a_vistu the ttartisan 27mm pancake is better
I have a Nikon 1J1 with a 1Nikkor 10mm (27mm equiv.) f2.8 pancake lens. I also have the 1Nikkor 18.5 mm (49mm) f1.8 that isn't much bigger. I've taken some nice photos with both lenses. The 1j1 is a quirky little camera that can be a bit frustrating at times but the focus is so fast and with the 10 on it it's so easy to carry around in a pants or jacket pocket.
That's interesting! Do you like the Nikon 1 system? I've never tried but have heard mixed opinions!
The 20mm is on my Nexus 5N often. Its focus is better on the newer bodies, but yeah love it being pocketable!
For cheap full frame street thrills....I love the RF 28mm F2.8 pancake lens on an eosRP body.
The vast choices of cameras today is a plus, and a negative. I am an old timer (70 years old) I always used Olympus OM systems because of size, and quiet shutter. I preferred the 28 mm at f 5.6 or f8 which I always carried set in a depth of field scale. I never had to focus, I could even shoot without looking.
Now in my day people were not as aware of photographers as they are today. Everyone today thinks one has some nefarious intention with the photo, I can't say I blame them since photoshop has made manipulation of images very easy. My age & gray hair has saved me from some angry individuals wanting to beat my butt for taking a shot in their direction. I will make one bold statement A.I, will put the final nail in photography' s coffin it's over folks.
What bag was that u wete using
I have problems carrying higher weights, so I think about this a lot! 😊
You and me both!
Pentax has the MX1 that is a wonderful through back to brass history. Pancake lens included.
So no "LOL" in your graph needed.
Excellent video. These are the lessons I've been learning in my journey as a street photographer. The photo I sent you in the contest email was actually shot with a Panasonic bridge camera (FZ80/82) and that sensor is TINY... But I think the technology inside that one plus the super zoom make it a very fun, easy, and interesting camera to use.
I also have a T2i, 80D, and a 5D Classic
I don't think there's anything wrong with having smaller sensors as long as they do the job you need. i.e. You might not necessarily want a low-end tiny sensor camera that doesn't do well at high ISO if you're always doing shoots at night.
My first camera (to call my own) was a Pany FZ-20 that my buddy (semi-pro photog due to his career in creative arts & media) helped me choose.
It ticked the right boxes (at the time; 2004) for what I needed to learn the basics of photography - Aperture/ Shutter Priority + Manual Exposure modes, a (super at the time) zoom that covered at least the 28-70mm (135 format) range, and a relatively fast lens (F2.8 throughout the range) to learn about depth of field. Heck, it even had a 'macro' super close-up mode.
Only after I had picked up the bare basics would my buddy then introduce me to using mechanical film cameras and other more 'niche' use prime lenses (fisheye; ultrawides; macro etc.).
All things considered, the FZ-20 was amazing for its price point during that era. It didn't quite have the high ISO performance of an APS-C camera (Canon 300D/ aka Digital Rebel) but it was much better than a happy snappy point and shoot.
In his words: Just shoot what you think is interesting even if you're using full automatic mode. Moments will pass you by if you're trying to adjust for technicalities in the shot. Composition (framing) and the story you tell is more important than whether the image has great camera techniques applied behind it.
LMAO THAT END SCENE 😭😭😭😭
My guy, great video I asked if you could do a vid on the 20 2.8 and you came through for me. Much respect! I'm just still hoping Sigma drops an 18 f2 or 2.8 pancake and 23 f2 close to pancake at least next year for APS-C.
Educational and interesting. I like pancake lenses very much . They are addictive 😍.
Favourite mft pancake? So many around. I'm a poor pensioner with 2012 era Olympus cameras - an E-P3 and OMD E-M1. I've been trying to convince my wife the need for a pancake for everything I'm thinking 24-40mm in 35mm equivalent. Love to hear your thoughts George. My favourite walkaround film camera was Either A Ricoh GR1/28mm or Minolta XD with 24mm, so I'm favouring those wider angles
one of the reasons i bought an em10 iii was you. i thought it was small because it looked small in your hands. i thought i can use it as my main street photography camera.
i wonder if you can use a pentax Q series camera 😂 (i have a q10 as my main street camera)
That ending tho haha. But I totally agree about pancake lenses, I use the TTA 27mm f2.8 on Fuji for street and travel and love it
I also love pancakes lenses!
Great video! Just wondering, I currently have the Sony 16mm f2.8, is worth the upgrade to get the Sony 20mm f2.8?
Aaaah I've spent so much money in that camera store in Manchester 🤣
Trying to convince myself NOT to go again tomorrow 😅
I use 99% the Canon M6 with 22mm pancake, super compact and very sharp.
Jokes on your Everyday Carry-ability chart: I use a Pentax Q.
One could argue that it’s excessive, but I like the tamron 18-300mm apsc e mount lense for all around use case.
I wish Sony APSC system had more pancake lenses
Me too!
Are you saying that say, a f/1.7 prime lens can’t be stopped down as at 2:35 even though they’re ‘fly by wire’? Seems amazing…✌️
tough call - trying to decide between the 20mm f2.8 and the samyang 24mm f2.8!
I recently debated getting the samyang again! But luckily stopped myself 😂
Just picked up a Sony RX1R because its so small, but I live in a warm climate and I basically have to have it pocketable. I don't even think the NEX5 would do me. Gotta go to ricoh or some shit now 🙃 great video btw. super under rated for 33k subs
It's a shame Pentax doesn't make smaller cameras, because they are one of the few manufacturers committed to a comprehensive range of pancake lenses... Their Limiteds are absolutely lovely!
Sony needs to up their pancake lens game.
I usually carry either my Ricoh GR3 or GX1 with a small lens in a tomtoc sling (the smallest one they offer, I have the medium size one as well but at that point I’d prefer a small backpack).
Which pancake do you think it works the best with Lumix GX7?
I got the Sony 20mm for the same reasons to you! And I love it the experience!
hi... what do you think about the lens image quality?is it any good? i really want to get this lens, but a lot reviews says it has a poor image quality than this lens not any better than iphone camera's image quality
@@louismaxell Nowadays I'm still think this is a good lens, but I use another today, it's a 27mm F2.8 from TTArtisan. And I really enjoy, search for this alternative!
I make a video talking this lens: ua-cam.com/video/iSW8bhkoxYE/v-deo.htmlsi=t5_g0zD_SmIIrALK
i have an xpro 3 now and i definitely miss the ergonomics of those a6000 cameras. the 6400 was probably the nicest camera to old that ive ever had. the xpro feels like a brick
🥺 dont think im good at this , sir. 😭 Your pics are super cool.
Personally I do prefer (high quality) zoom lenses as they do offer more versatility. When being around your own kids, this can be a key feature. Kids will almost never stop for a picture. My personal choice is a 28-75mm Tamron f2.8 and a 50-400mm Tamron F4.5-6.3. I will never need another glass.
I’m debating whether to get the 20mm 2.8 for my sony a6400 or just keep using iPhone 15 for the wide shots. Will there be any difference at all?
Hi George, do you have any sample footage of the NEX-5? I mean, you teased the combination in the video so those of us who have one of those cameras or siblings of it (I have a NEX-5N) we're left to wonder.
Hi, I have two videos on the NEX 5 on my channel so you can find more examples there!
@@GeorgeHolden thank you! Was this the lens used in those? Will definitely check em out
In the film days, two of my favorite lenses were the wide angle Zuiko 28mm and 24mm f/2.8 pancake lenses. Why can't they make digital full frame lenses like those today?
It would be amazing, I think everyone's so obsessed with fast AF the tactile lenses get ignored
Loved the take and artistry. Got a sub.
Olympus E-M5 + Panasonic 20mm f/1.8
Hi George, I love the Ikigai diagram! I need that! I too am a nut for pancake lenses and prefer the 28-40 mil. As of late, I'm using touch to shoot on my digital rangefinders when moving quickly between streets. In these cases, I need the smallest, most nimble yet responsive kit. I'm seriously considering getting a small sony set up and leaving my Fuji at home during travel for these instances.
Very nice and interesting video. Love the pictures from Lisbon!
can you make a video on ''the camera for family to replace the mobile phone'''
With pleasure my friend
I carry my fuji xt30 + 27mm pancake in a uniqlo sling bag too lol
i have the same backpack, damn i really really like this one
I use exactly the Sony lens for filming on the Alpha 6300. Sharp even at f2.8 in 4K. Almost all of my films were shot with it.
thinking about picking one up w a 6100 for youtube content and continuing street photography after yrs ! do you think itd make for a great match/setup? or should i go for the a6400 which ive also been eyeing?
thanks in advance 🙇🏾
Nice Reality check. I bought the Canon 24/2.8 pancake for its video attributes then found out it is much handier than the heavy expensive 24/1.4 EF that I bought for $1600. The aps-c. Format of smaller Canon Dslrs works.
I'm here to ask about your backpack. What brand is it? Thanks
I have a whole video on this topic! Berghaus brand
I am beginner in photography.
I bought a used Sony A7s2.
New 24-70 2.8 lens.
How much power flash would be enough to shoot outdoors? I would be doing street photography and portraits.
I would want to take this flash with me easily and during travelling.
Should I go for on camera flash or off camera flash
This would be 1st flash that I would buy.
What are your suggestions for flash?
Also suggest soft box and tripod (either camera or flash would be tripod as I can hold only 1 thing) for travelling.
You probably don’t want to use a flash for street for many reasons.
If you insist, note that flash requirements on 24mm are v much less than 70mm.
What camera was this video shot with?
I've been thinking in have a R8 and RF 28mm pancake just for fun and portability probably there are best options, but i'm already inside RF ecosystem :)
Really awesome video like always! I might put some money into a wide angle lens since I'm doing allot of festival photography rn. Just don't know which one...
What was that Leica lens and camera at 6:38? 😮
Also I really wish Ricoh would make a FF GR versions. That compact would be the best I think
I am sure this is already addressed but I couldn't find it. Could I use this on full frame cameras? What would be the conversion of a APCS 28 mm to full frame mm?
This is a 20mm lens, so is 30mm in ff terms. However this is only an APSC lens, does not work properly on full frame
How about shoot video using sony 20 f2.8 pancake lens? just wondering cuz i'm using A6700 too
I've shot some talking head stuff with it and it works well, it has a 49mm filter thread which is a bit small but still good for ND filters if you're filming outdoors
@@GeorgeHolden Whoaa really? just tried Sony 16mm F2.8 yesterday and performing unstopable focus breathing while using AF-C, but it's works well using AF-S. Might bought one 20mm F2.8 this month, thanks
@@noobiesplayer2412 I had the 16mm too, both will have focus breathing but yes with the A6700 it's not a problem. Two very nice pancakes to have on your plate 🥞
great video, do you have reccs for a compact 28mm prime for L mount camera?
Adapting a manual focus lens or some sigma glass is available but there isn't much for l mount
I ended up going with a used gen one Leica Q. Zone focus is a must in the street imo, but isolating subjects at wide aperture is very challenging in hectic conditions. The Q is the only real option to offer both in one "small" package. I used that 20 many years ago on the A6000 though and it was supremely compact and usably sharp.
Oh.. and fwiw, I think you maybe meant Venn Diagram? The technique used to visually represent Ikigai there, which is a specific Japanese philosophy of sorts. Unless I misunderstood. Which is quite likely from my experience 💩
That's cool! And yes that was a Venn diagram of the Ikigai process, Ikigai is just my analogy for the perfect meeting of needs. Just trying to make my ideas more visual!
what was that thing you had on top of the sony 20mm?
The lens hood
@@GeorgeHolden What a cool lens hood!
Right in time! Recently i was planning to buy a pancake lens to pair with my super tiny gx800 but im not sure what focal length to choose. 14mm f2.5 or 20mm f1.7.. Also love the oly 45mm but thats not that tiny hahaha. Greetings!
I've still not used the 20mm 1.7 but it seems to be the favourite!
15mm 1.7 is pretty small but not pancake small if you need the speed...
I highly recommend the 14mm 2.5
I have all three and can say, pick one. They are all excellent.
Haven't watched the full video yet but the silver lenses shown at the start I really hope they are for Sony! Lol
Talking about the full category of lenses so some aren't Sony! But the main lens is the Sony 20mm 😊