Found the offical Ariel answer “Ariel was originally meant to be a Princess of Heart, but in order for her to be captured by Maleficent, the story portion of Ursula giving her legs would have had to take place first. It was already too late in production to add this, so the producers chose Alice as a Princess of Heart, which garnered fan outrage, due to not staying true to the Disney Princesses. However, after finding out the troublesome production of the game, the fans forgave the game developers.” - IMDB
The fans really shouldn't have been that upset though, Alice was a regular guest at the time in the Princess lineup and since KH1 was released in 2004 they technically already had two other options since this was pre-removal of Tink and Esmeralda when introduced. I mean if Ariel, Tink and Mulan are on the "let's go kick some rears" squad, why not pick from the two most frequent guests after selecting Esmeralda as an option for Princess of Heart so whether it was Alice or Meg either or would be a huge W...and Meg would have appreciated the rescue (after claiming she didn't need it first, then mentioning having "weak ankles")
@@BlackDisneyPrincess no, but it could be an interesting idea. That said due to royalties involved concerning Amy Adams likeness and how rotoscoping worked in the animated films...most likely not happening.
Someone had a theory about Kairi's role in the story! She's the girl who doesn't want to grow up. She's scared of change as she told us at the beginning of KH1 and it's been reinforced through the other games. So her story is confronting the fact that nothing will ever be the same again, there is no going back to the days of her Sora and Riku being carefree on Destiny Islands.
I can see Raya getting caught up in a similar situation as Davy Jones's chest in KH3 where the baddies don't realize she's the princess of a literal place called Heart and not the metaphorical heart.
@@TheCartoonBaffoon I had a similar thought about Mirabel from Encanto getting the "they think she's one" treatment, only for her to be ordinary. Like you said it could potentially conflict with her character arc to be one or whatever, and this would be a nice fake out for the audience and also give us an excuse to include her world.
I love the concept of the Princess of Heart. A group of women who fundamentally regulate the light of the universe by merely existing. I just wish they had more to do, especially Kairi.
Sofia would be to OP as a Disney princess. No seriously with her skills, magic amulet, enchantlet, and general competence give her the power of light and she’s unstoppable
@@xXLunatikxXlul we already got that with "Sofia the Worst" episode. A real brat...and if good Sofia is linked to Disney Princesses then bad Sofia would be Disney Villains linked....and her strongest on either side...is Sleeping Beauty.
honestly as a kid i HATED the fact that my favorite disney princess was in the game but wasn’t a princess of heart but now that i’m older I much prefer Ariel having the distinction of being the first princess/woman party member and the only woman party member in KH1 as well. She’s much more special than the princesses of heart.
I personally am still a little salty about it (not to the extent of rage, just mildly annoyed). She would have been one of three Princess of Heart who actually show combat prowess alongside Elsa and Kairi. Oh well. It is what it is.
My big hope with Kingdom Hearts 4 is that they bring the Council of Disney Villains back. With the Princesses of Heart relevant again and Maleficent having the chance to be just as relevant as she was in KH1 thanks to the Black Box this is the perfect chance to bring back the council, bringing a few returning villains back and rearranging the roster to reflect the villains Disney have created since KH1
There's no way they're gonna exclude Tiana from becoming a Princess of Heart. She's very popular and modern enough for a new gen of seven hearts. Her story also blends in well with adding Dr. Facilier as a villain as he can command shadows, which basically he can summon Heartless at his will. I don't think they'd add Princess Leia to the seven hearts because she'd just stick out like a sore thumb against all of the animated princesses. I guess we'll only find out in KH4 or Missing Link though, but it'll most likely be Kairi, Rapunzel, Elsa, Anna, Moana, and Tiana. The last member would be a toss between Merida, Raya, or Mirabel.
There is one key piece of evidence that could easily prove kairi is a royal princess. When she says goodbye to aqua in birth by sleep kairi does a royal curtsy. And yes there is a drastic difference. Here is a noble woman’s curtsy: They grab the side of the skirt. And then they bend at the hip performing a bow. A royal curtsy is different. They stiffen their back, stand up straight. Reach down without bending to grab the side of their skirt. Then they slightly bend their knees. Creating the illusion of their head bowing.
Never even considered why Ursula just decided to ignore the plan after doing that big mystery villains council thing at HB, the Ariel-Alice swap observation seems valid.
I think it'd be really funny if Raya does end up in KH4 only for the writers to reuse the plot element with Vexen from the Caribbeans in 3, where he thought Davy Jones' chest contained his "KH definition" heart rather than his actual "human" heart. Let's say Maleficent or MoM and Foretellers are seeking the new Seven and they hear of a world with *A* princess of heart only for it to fall outside of their understanding of the term.
love the video so far its also worth noting though, alice IS technically a princess at least in the alice in wonderland books themselves, and she was meant to become one by the end of the movie as well, she also has been sparsely included in some disney princess brands alongside marie from the aristocats, besides esmeralda and tink theyre EASILY the weirdest "members"
I initially thought that Megara from ‘Hercules’ was a part of the original Disney Princess line-up and got dropped. By all accounts in my book, she should be considered a princess, because… A) She ends up with the son of the king of Gods. B) She was indeed a princess in the original myth C) Her voice actress is Susan Egan, who did the role of Belle originally on Broadway. All I’m saying is that if Esmeralda could initially fit into the princess line-up, and if Mulan is still qualified to be in the line-up to this day, then I don’t see any reason for Meg not to be!
I mean, she was included on the Disney Princess Sing-A-Long Songs: Once Upon a Dream. They had "I Won't Say I'm in Love," so I grew up always thinking of her as a princess.
My justification for Ariel's exclusion is that she does make a deal with ursula (TWICE in kh canon). A metaphorical deal with the devil. So she MAY have some darkness in her. I can see it. Also I'd prefer if elsa wasnt a princess (even tho shes heavily implied to be). You already summarized the bulk of my issue (she def FEELS like she has darkness. Shes the riku to Anna's sora/kairi). But also... dammit just throw Anna a bone! Let Anna be special for once! A northuldran married a human prince and one of their daughters became this 5th elemental spirit of ice meant to bring balance to the world and the other is... just a normal person with no power????? Let her have that cool light magic destiny. Then elsa can just be her protector. The aladdin or Phillip
I can propose one flaw for Kairi, at least in KH1- she's very secretive! When Sora asks her if she remembers anything about her original world, Kairi says she doesn't remember. The way she is framed, with her eyes obscured, is a Japanese cinematography technique to imply that the person is closed off. She does, in fact, remember her original world, but refuses to tell her friends of 9 years. And before the trio sets sail, Kairi tries to convince Sora that they should leave without Riku because he's changing, implying that she can sense his growing darkness. I wish other KH games explored this aspect of her, as it has a lot of character arc potential!
I think the difference between Elsa in a big degree is she had powers that could hurt people through her emotions. If another princess had powers that they couldn't control I feel like they could've also accidentally hurt someone though your point does still stand since she tried to kill people in the movie. But yeah idk I think jasmine or Ariel or hell aurora could have accidentally hurt someone if their emotions wend haywire
7:50 Yzma isn’t too far behind as far as Disney Villains franchise representation goes, I like to think of her as the honorary 14th member, Special mention goes to Shere Khan, Governor Radcliffe, & Frollo who also get represented a decent amount. Also Madame Mim if we’re going by Comics representation
Yeah this is why the villains lineup is so hard to pinpoint, characters like the ones you pointed out plus a myriad of others do get grouped in with different Disney Villains appearances. I know Yzma and Ratcliffe were used in the Sorcerers of the Magic Kingdom group, Frollo is part of Fantasmic, hell, even Pete feels like a big snub. The 13 I listed, while they are the most commonly used, is very much an arbitrary selection.
I think my main issue with the New Princess of Heart is that they set them up only really as a backup plan for Xehanort, but that just makes me ask why are they the backup plan and not the main plan? Why risk failing when you have the opportunity to get all seven princess and just make the X-Blade.
I presume it’s because they don’t where all of them are, they are actively looking for them. The Guardians of Light managed to gather before they happened to locate all Seven New Hearts.
@@TheCartoonBaffoon If only Xehanort had an opportunity to delay Sora and Riku for a long period of time and managed to acquire Kairi before she got invited by Yen Sid to join the Guardians. Oh well, I guess if he wasn't so obsessed with making Sora the thirteenth member of the Organization he might of actually ben able to do the princess plan without interruption.
I've thought about this solid idea for a Kairi game where she goes through Princess of Heart worlds, and it could either be DDD-styled where she's doing ones from the past (though this would be repeating many worlds and they'd have to be reworked) or use the new princesses, or even a little of both following along the timeline of changing Princesses and maybe even showing us a non-disney predecessor or something. Either way it would be about her reconnecting with her abilities as a princess and finding her motivation to get stronger etc etc. It could use a lot of your ideas here on how they're chosen for their roles and showcasing how their powers might work. Most importantly it gives Kairi focus and character development.
I think Mirabel has a good shot of being a Princess of Heart. Look at Alice. By herself, she wasn't anything special. Her special powers as a Princess of Heart only matter when they're gathered together. In the movie, Mirabel herself isn't special, it is her love of her family and desire to support them that makes her special. Besides, by the end of Encanto, Mirabel is hinted at inheriting the miracle. The argument there could be that Abuela was a princess and Mirabel inherited her light. It could be something they could also do with Kairi and her own grandmother and could explain why both Elsa and Anna are qualified to be princesses.
I agree. I think that the other 3 should be a mixture of Vanellope, Tiana, Mirabel, and/or Moana. Those are the only four characters that I think Disney would actually choose to fill in the other 3 spots.
Heard your whole rant about why Ariel wasn't a Princess of Heart. I too believe that she's a better candidate than Alice and so here is a revised version of KH 1 that reflects that. The changes I’d make to keep the story consistent with this “What If?” scenario are as follows. First and most importantly Atlantica is now required to access Hollow Bastion to keep the story consistent by having Sora visit all of the worlds of the recently captured Princesses. Now in terms of the story, the cutscene with Alice being shown in Hollow Bastion after being kidnapped will be extended for Maleficent to then dismiss her saying something along the lines of “This isn’t one of the girls we’re looking for. I’ll have him return her.” and the scene would end before Riku enters to save the surprise of him working for Maleficent until Traverse Town 2. However due to other more important tasks, Maleficent just keeps Alice around until the appropriate time to return her, i.e. after the opening of the final keyhole. That way when Alice does eventually return it doesn’t leave that story thread unknown to Sora, since as far as he’d know she is still missing and is looking for her. Next, I’d base the story content in Atlantica on a combination of sorts, with the original story and the one in The Little Mermaid. Yes, that means that the KH 2 version of Atlantica doesn’t exist in this version of the series, and I’m also not going to bother giving it a replacement since it serves as a mini-game world and is kinda redundant with the 100 Acre Wood in the same game and also KH 2 has the most worlds out of every game in the series so not much is lost by removing one slot entirely. However instead of just using Ariel as a bargaining chip with Triton to give her the trident to take over the kingdom, she can also use him to reveal the location of the keyhole. Pretty much when we’re dropped in Atlantica it’s during the storm in the movie and Sora, Donald, and Goofy are watching Ariel save Prince Eric from afar. After Eric comes to she dives back into the water and this is when the group meets for the first time. Their meeting is just like how they meet in the original game also with heading to the palace to which the conversation with Trition is also the same. However, instead of afterward going to the sunken ship to find the Crystal Trident, Ariel leads the gang to where Flounder has found the statue of the Prince, and on the way she relates to them about her feelings for Eric. Just like in the movie Ursula is viewing Ariel from her lair. When they arrive back at the grotto with the statue the conversation between Ariel and Sora is the same as the original game with Trition then coming in and destroying the statue, Ariel leaves, and he gives Sora the speech about not meddling in the affairs of other worlds. While this is going on Ariel has been drawn to Ursula’s lair like in the movie, except Flotsam and Jetsam visit her in the sunken ship area. In the lair Ursula offers Ariel a deal similar to in the movie except instead of three days she gives her until sundown the following day. Sora, Donald, and Goofy concerned for Ariel go looking for her and see fumes coming from a dark place which they come to investigate with Sebastian and Flounder. However, they arrive right at the moment that Ariel has already signed the contract, and working together the five haul her to the surface. Skipping ahead to sundown the following day Ariel and Eric are on the same boat from “Kiss the Girl” but before they get to kiss it is too late and Flotsam and Jetsam tip the boat and grab a reverted to a mermaid Ariel and drag her away. Sora, Donald, and Goofy witness this and go to Eric to help look for her. Meanwhile, the scene from the movie where Ursula gets Triton to take her deal plays out, although since all she promised was that Ariel wouldn’t be harmed she can still technically through the mermaid through a dark corridor. Sora, Donald, Goofy, and Eric still in the dingy on the surface arrive just as Ursula grows to a massive size to defeat SDG and carry on her mission to access the keyhole. From here SDG fights Ursula by attacking her tentacles, and after depleting her HP a cutscene plays where Ursula staggers as Sora then strikes her hands holding the trident causing it to drop allowing Eric to use it as a javelin and throws it through Ursula just like in KH 2. Upon her defeat, Trition and the rest of the polyps return to their form. Before returning back under the water SDG promises Eric that they will find Ariel. When they return to Trition he says his apologies and also realizes the error in his ways of thinking as all humans as savages. To help SDG on their quest he reveals to them that the world’s keyhole is in Ariel’s Grotto and in thanks, the group in return promises that they will return his daughter home safely. And that’s where the changes mostly end other than Ariel being present in Hollow Bastion in one of the crystals to contain her and when the Princesses are freed she is sitting in a tub for the time being, with an option text bubble dialogue piece when talking to her upon returning to Hollow Bastion mentioning how she finds it uncomfortable but that it’s at least nice to speak again, which in this timeline the shell used to contain Ariel’s voice was broken upon Ursula’s defeat. Alice will also have optional dialogue in a text bubble where she expresses how she is in some way flattered by being mistaken for a princess. You might also wonder how I’d change the story inside Atlantica in Chain of Memories to fit with this new story. My answer is that I wouldn’t make any changes since the stories of the worlds in this game don’t always line up similarly to their KH 1 counterparts, especially Hollow Bastion. Also, I guess I should mention before moving on that Ariel’s name will replace Alice’s in the password for the Door to Darkness Datascape.
Ven is a pure heart, in union cross we find that out and he fuses with one of the Darkness (who will become Vanitus). So the darkness in his heart wasn’t originally his in the first place.
Im goana be entierly honest the only new Princess of Heart from Frozen should have been Anna. Elsa let your sister have her moment for ONCE in your life
As much as I love Elsa, she has the personality of a sponge and always runs away from her problems (both films). I wouldn’t be surprised if she ran away once again in the upcoming sequel 💀💀
I don’t think the issue with Kairi’s characterization has *anything* to do with how “light” she is. She’s shown the capacity for what I guess you might call “dark” traits before- the real issue with her is a matter of framing and focus- I.e the games are almost always pushing her out of any spotlight or framing her as more of an object than a subject. It’s less a matter of “Kairi’s too goody two-shoes to be interesting” and more “the narrative refuses to utilize or contextualize Kairi’s character in interesting ways.”
it's kinda shame that the evil queen,gaston and cruella de vil didn't join maleficent's disney villains council since snow white,belle & the beast and pongo,perdita & the puppies are already in the first game
I feel like with Elsa she's pushing people away because she's afraid of causing harm. She can't control her ice powers and doesn't want to hurt anyone, especially her sister Anna. Maybe because her intent is well meaning and feels that her leaving Arendelle was the noble and right thing to do.
Leia is certainly not gonna be picked just due to studio or likeness rights. Too many hurdles would need to be jumped if she had to make minor appearances with the other princesses together later in the series. Besides, Tiana is just a shoo-in for the position at this point.
Normally I’d agree with you in regards to the likeness rights, but because it’s Star Wars I suspect it’ll be used in more than one game anyway, so I expect Leia’s gonna be around long-term.
To be fair, I don’t think they just realized it, I think they didn’t quite have enough princesses to really make a line-up. You really want a full house there. They need a Disney Heroine line up too. Mulan, Pocahontas, Esmeralda. We also need Disney Prince!
Thanks for the description. If there is to be more new Princesses, I like to suggetion characters like Lilo, Moana (because popular reasons), and Cinderella's reformed stepsister Anastasia. Of course, my question is why have the other princesses gave up their light roles and not Kairi?
I know Mizrabel is not a princess, but it would be awesome to see her acknowledged as a villain or background character in a KH game. She originated from older Disney video games so it would be cool to see her return in some capacity :)
It’s actually stated BY the Darkness in Union X that the Master deliberately excluded Raident Garden from the preview of the Unions to prevent Maleficent from…doing something with knowledge of the complete set. (It’s been a while, I forgot the specifics)
i can't believe it took three years for moana to be officially a disney princess, meaning she missed out on being a princess pre-kh3 launch despite her movie coming out in 2016. insane.
My headcanon for the princesses giving sora firaga is that they are just giving him a boost of power and his most natural element is fire, its his first spell and tho shiro amano doesnt speak canon, I believe in one of the Mangas donald says his strangest element is fire or smth
I wish we could see more of the Disney fairy lore. It was so good and cute at the same time. There’s a lot of content KH could use post-KH3 and I’m very here for it.
I would highly recommend rewatching Cinderella because she definitely holds a grudge against her step family and Lucifer, but it's more sarcastic remarks behind closed doors (except when she sicks Bruno on Lucifer)
Fun fact, Video game Kairi and Manga Kairi have two seperate personality types, in the Manga Kairi is often rude to others, she's also creative (She snuck passed ducks by mimicking their mocements and they THOUGHT SHE WAS ONE OF THEM SO THEY JUST LET HER GO!) She also punched Demyx and threw her Keyblade at Xigbar (She didnt do what Ventus dos with his keyblade where he throws it and it comes bck like a boomerang) she straigth up threw her keyblade at him
I love your video! Your explanation about everything made sense and I can understand your reasoning for the princesses I didn’t really understand why Alice was put as the (in my own words) Gen 1 princesses of light Best reason was because of her immense innocence and curiosity was what made her a contender and main vessel for one of the lights And maybe why Ariel wasn’t chosen (in story) was she and Alice both possessed the same traits and the power of light decided to go to Alice more As for Elsa I could say in a way is still innocent even when she done bad. She still cares and has love. I think a person only becomes a “heartless” is they abandoned all “goodness” from themselves, turned to evil by their own choice or is naturally evil and does not care about others
Pocahontas totally deserves to be in KH in the future. And the nice thing about being in Kingdom Hearts is that it’s not always about following the story of the movie exactly. So this would be a great opportunity rewrite some things and just make her a part of the Kingdom Hearts universe.
I think to understand who is going to be the princesses of light, you have to learn to speak Disney’s language, and that language is called capitalism. So of course Moana is a lock in, they need to promote her, she has a sequel and a live action remake coming out. I personally also think Tiana is a lock in, she has that new ride at Disney World and a Disney plus series coming. And other than that, maybe Mirabel has a decent shot, Encanto made them so much cash. The only thing against her is that she isn’t actually a Disney Princess, and compared to 2002, when KH1 came out, today, Disney has the Princess brand strapped so tight by the balls. There is a reason why Mirabel hasn’t been inducted into that brand, I don’t know what that is, but it’s been a while since Encanto came out, and she hasn’t been inducted into that brand. So considering this, I think the third might be either Mulan or Ariel, since they’ve been with that brand since the beginning.
Yeah, I suspect that the other ones would be either Moana, Tiana, Mulan, Ariel, Mirabel or even Lilo (because Stitch's insane popularity in Japan and the fact there's a new live action movie coming out next year).
I was today years old when I found out that Anna and Elsa aren’t official Disney princesses. Especially with their inclusion in media like Wreck It Ralph 2. It’s weird to know that they aren’t
I’d love to go to Brave and see Merida as a Princess. A movie about changing your fate while the Book of Prophecies starts taking Centre Stage has a lot of narrative potential.
coming back here by accident right after disney had a frozen fan celebration…on the disney princesses youtube channel. i don't think even disney knows anymore if frozen is or isn't part of the princess brand anymore
My theory as to why Alice is a princess of heart over Ariel is for the visual of three blondes- Cinderella, Aurora and Alice with three brunettes- Snow White, Belle and Jasmine and then one redhead with Kairi. I just assumed it was a colour coding design choice
As a Star Wars fan Leia would be a hilarious choice. Imagine if she got to sit in that Wreck it Wralph 2 princess room and brough up how she choacked a giant slug guy with his own chains that he was using to keep her a "pleasure" slave.
I think what constitutes as darkness in Kingdom Hearts is willingly giving into being a bad person. There is a narrative of darkness itself in kingdom hearts being misunderstood and given its evil nature by those who abuse it like Xehanort. Riku shows that darkness can be used for good as long as it’s controlled. Terra was someone who had to be manipulated into fully giving into darkness. Sure his insecurities did give in at the beginning of the game but it’s not like every time he was upset he used dark powers then he would’ve shown darkness at radiant garden when arguing with Ven and Aqua. Terra shows his darkness when pushed to extreme limits such as Ven being put at risk and Eraqus dying. The Disney princesses themselves deal with upsetting situations such as their parents dying. Cinderella’s mother died and she probably felt upset over it at some point. Even Sora only gets his dark forms when either abusing the light (drive forms) or when he’s in a critical situation (rage form) I also assume Sora didn’t show any darkness in the keyblade graveyard because he was upset seeing his friends die rather than willingly choosing the darkness for some reason. Kh does say everyone has darkness but Mickey has a much better time handling it than Xehanort did which is why ones good and the other is evil
Esmeralda nor Tinkerbell were ever offical princesses. They were special guest character much like Jane or Alice. There was a chance they would be included but it was never offical at any point. They were more or less like how Elsa and Anna are now, frequent guests. The only one who was at all close was Tinkerbell who was considered the mascot for the princesses until she got her own franchise
@@cyrielleglbrt1044 to be fair, I don’t think we can judge a film getting into KH due to that cause Tron nor Tron Legacy were “successful” financially. There’s also straight to dvd movies like three musketeers. I think it just depends on the melding of stories
@yourboysnowden6896 yeah you're right actually! To be honest I think I'm just not able to envision characters like Raya or Asha and their worlds getting in the kh franchise because I don't imagine them as being the first options they would go to. But yeah with worlds like Tron and three musketeers, and even timeless river and Fantasia that are less obivious choices, you're right, the popularity of the movie as of it is nowadays doesn't really matter to exist in kh
@@cyrielleglbrt1044 when u saw Raya in theaters I leaned over to my fiance and said “this is destined for kingdom hearts.” I can also see Wish cause Magnifico would be a dope boss battle and someone that would clash with Sora so, I’d welcome it personally of course
If Alice in wonderland could come back they should use the Tim Burton Alice in wonderland I think it would be amazing to see Sora Donald and Goofy reunite with Alice now older!
Maybe instead of SDG it’s Riku and the reason why Alice is repressing the memories of Wonderland is because of Riku kidnapping her and taking her heart
@@noahdean9685 yeah but before that Alice keeps running from him because she thinks he’s still trying to take her heart and Alice would refer to him as “The Dark Knight”
I feel like if(hopefully when) Kairi gets her own game, after getting some training from Aqua, she’ll meet and befriend her fellow Princesses of Heart(past and present) by traveling to their worlds and looking her family history in Radiant Garden. As for Cruella de vil and Dr. Facilier: The locations in "101 Dalmatians” wouldn’t exactly work as it's own world in KH, but perhaps if they bring back Traverse Town where the Dalmatians were gathered in KH1, Kairi could face off against Cruella. Whose obsession with those dogs has turned her into a Boss Heartless(maybe as early boss like Sora had to face there alongside Donald and Goofy) Dr. Facilier is easier to work with, though maybe add Maleficent being involved. Depending if they do a Post movie adventure like some other past Disney Worlds.
I would find it Interesting if Anna and Elsa counted as one. Not only would that make space for an extra princess, but a good hinder in plot. Like hey we have Anna protected, Woops the Enemy has Elsa and can use her as a substitute anyways. Etc.
I could absolutely see Melody, especially in terms of avenging the fact that Ariel wasn’t a princess of heart. Hear me out, Melody and her mother are more than royalty as their descendants of Poseidon, Melody could fix the on land and sea problem aspect of Ariel’s world in KH1, plus if you think about it Little Mermaid 2 Return to the sea released 2 years before KH1 so by then even tho she’s still part of the Disney Princess Lineup Ariel would technically be the queen in the universe of her film. Do I foresee Melody ever being included in the KH games? Not really, but it could most definitely work and I’d love to see the concept personally ❤️
I’m hoping the other 3 princesses end up being Vanellope (due to the importance of her world in Union Cross), Moana (due to her popularity at this point), and I’d like to see the final one be Tiana. Once all new members are known, then I think that Square should go into why Kairi is the only one who stayed a PoH (despite being the only KH character that is also a PoH character).
If Leia really gets added to the princesses of heart, I think we'll finally get a band of princesses that does more than get captured. Besides Kairi struggling on the side...
As others have already posted, Ariel's not being a princess was mostly due to production issues. However, I would argue that in Kingdom Hearts' definition of Princesses of Heart, she wouldn't have fit anyway. After all, they are defined by the lack of darkness in their hearts, and all of the (old) canonical princesses have few to no character flaws. However, Ariel's desire to be on land almost dooms her Kingdom and its people. She so desperately wanted to be with her prince that she basically gave in to darkness, which ironically mirrors Riku's storyline from KH1. He also gives into Darkness to escape the confines of his world. And seeing Riku getting ever closer to Darkness for it while Ariel would be called a pure-hearted princess in the same game would have been jarring, to say the least. Not sure what they are cooking with the new princesses. My best guess would be that Elsa was basically a candidate for becoming a princess of heart and got the proper title only at the very end of Arendelle. By that logic Ariell could obviously fit too, but I'm mainly concerned with KH1 here.
It would have been neat if each of the villains were the villains from the princesses’ movie. I would want to keep Ursula have have Ariel be a princess instead of Alice. Although I’m not sure if Lady Tremaine and Gaston would really work. The evil queen would. Maybe they could recruit some newer Disney villains like Dr. Facilier. I’m not sure if Mother Gothel or Hans would work.
I certainly hope they'll reveal Vanellope to be Princesses of Heart in a future KH title (if they continue to use the plot point to begin with, because basically it just adds a little more complexity to the already astonishing complex KH storyline(. Maybe 4, maybe something before... but something, if there are empty slots to fulfill... that'll be her time to really shine. Regardless, with how much attention her and the others have been getting in other Disney media (Lorcana, the Gameloft games [Speedstorm and Dreamlight Valley], as well as even huge potential with the Fortnite collaboration), she is BOUND to make her in game appearance in a full fledged 3D KH game as soon as possible. 🌌
Actually, Star Wars came from the purchase of Lucasfilm, not Fox. That said, totally should’ve brought up Anastasia in the final rundown of characters, totally blanked on that lol.
I heard that Esmeralda was taken out of the princess franchise because unlike the other princesses, Esmeralda was not as popular and her products did not sell as much.
@@paschameleon I know, I was just saying per say, because she *could* be classified as a Disney Princess, but that would be up to Disney to decide unfortunately(in my head canon they’re all princesses). Now, I did read somewhere that the princesses to be featured in the line were chosen from classic Disney films. The characters were not chosen specifically for their royal titles, but rather for how well they fit into what Disney executives deemed “the Princess mythology”. Mulan is an example of this concept; she has no familial ties to royalty, but is still included in the character list. Additionally, I read somewhere that one of the directors said that the medallion the emperor gives her at the end of the movie makes her an honorary member of the royal family. I can’t verify that because I remember watching a video about this topic in the early 2000’s in an interview/behind the scenes with the directors, so I may be missing some detail. I hope this kind of helps :)
@@xXLunatikxXlul Ya... we should have a petition to have her back in the princess lineup. Interesting. That makes a lot of sense for Mulan's inclusion in the lineup then. I think that now that the lineup is a thing, Disney purposely makes characters to add to the lineup. Like Tiana, Rapunzel, Merida, Moana, and Raya where made to be added to the princess lineup. Whereas the older ones where a pick and choose
Why not Elena and Sofia? They are literal magical princesses that are combat ready and would make the best teammates to fight along side Sora (or whoever is available). Look at their last chapter power ups and skills.
I do think Tianna, Moanna and Mirabel will be our final three Princesses of Heart. Elsa was at least sanitized enough for her to be passed off as a legitimate Pure Light. Not as much as Jasmine, Alice or Belle in KH1, but still. I don't think we're getting Giselle since Disney didn't want to license Amy Adam's likeness 'til the end of time (note how basically none of the Princesses resemble the actresses that portrayed them). And I don't think we're getting Merida outside of a similar role to Wendy as a red herring. Brave, in spite Disney's marketing, is much closer in proximity to a classical Grimm Fairy Tale as opposed to your standard Disney-brand Fairy Tale, and I don't think Merida would hold up to much scrutiny as a potential Princess candidate.
Raya and the last dragon is a good movie however I disagree with the actions. The story punishes her for not trusting when SHE HAS A PERFECTLY GOOD ENOUGH REASON NOT TO TRUST ANYONE! Due to trusting she lost her father and her home.
I genuinely think Nomura regrets Kairi’s inclusion, she was at least more fully defined in the first 3 games but then just became NOTHING and got even more sidelined as time went on.
Bring Atlantis and Treasure Planet into Kingdom Hearts, they are almost perfect for the setting, especially Treasure Planet given how gummy ship space stuff is done.
So I’ve been wondering this for a while and I’m curious to hear what you think, but by definition, wouldn’t Ventus also be a Princess (technically Prince) of Heart?
I’d personally say no. As I said in the video, the Princesses of Heart seem to all be naturally occurring pure lights while Ventus is only a pure light cuz his darkness was removed. Ven is effectively an anomaly in this world which to an extent is more fun than just being an eighth princess.
@@TheCartoonBaffoon well I think that would make Ventus a Shang technically. If the Princesses must be like the classic lineup (which caps at Mulan for the Excellent Eight) so to would the Princes cap at Shang. Ven is a Prince of Heart, but in a manner to how Shang...and either John (preferablly Rolfe, even though both aren't exactly nice guys) are. The core idea is of course that they must have the qualities that Jonathan Charming, Auguste Charming (seriously Snow Prince and Prince Charming have many names and even share the Charming one, they're probably brothers.) and Philip do...or be more like rennaissance Princes. I think Ven's hinted at as being similar to Jonathan though considering he took a bite of the apple and went to bed.
Found the offical Ariel answer “Ariel was originally meant to be a Princess of Heart, but in order for her to be captured by Maleficent, the story portion of Ursula giving her legs would have had to take place first. It was already too late in production to add this, so the producers chose Alice as a Princess of Heart, which garnered fan outrage, due to not staying true to the Disney Princesses. However, after finding out the troublesome production of the game, the fans forgave the game developers.” - IMDB
Do we have like an interview source for this??? If so I see this as an absolute win, I was basically right.
@@TheCartoonBaffoon IMDB had it down, can’t find their source for it but I’ve also seen it spread around before too
Ariel is given legs in the movie. They could have just done that instead of saving it for the second game.
@@h193013 they already had the underwater stuff programmed it would have made the world much too long it was too late into development
The fans really shouldn't have been that upset though, Alice was a regular guest at the time in the Princess lineup and since KH1 was released in 2004 they technically already had two other options since this was pre-removal of Tink and Esmeralda when introduced. I mean if Ariel, Tink and Mulan are on the "let's go kick some rears" squad, why not pick from the two most frequent guests after selecting Esmeralda as an option for Princess of Heart so whether it was Alice or Meg either or would be a huge W...and Meg would have appreciated the rescue (after claiming she didn't need it first, then mentioning having "weak ankles")
Enchanted getting representation in KH would be the most unexpected W I've ever seen
Giselle was in kingdom hearts!?
@@BlackDisneyPrincess no, but it could be an interesting idea.
That said due to royalties involved concerning Amy Adams likeness and how rotoscoping worked in the animated films...most likely not happening.
Someone had a theory about Kairi's role in the story! She's the girl who doesn't want to grow up. She's scared of change as she told us at the beginning of KH1 and it's been reinforced through the other games. So her story is confronting the fact that nothing will ever be the same again, there is no going back to the days of her Sora and Riku being carefree on Destiny Islands.
NOTHINGS LIKE BEFORE.
I can see Raya getting caught up in a similar situation as Davy Jones's chest in KH3 where the baddies don't realize she's the princess of a literal place called Heart and not the metaphorical heart.
I would love that so much lmao
@@TheCartoonBaffoon I had a similar thought about Mirabel from Encanto getting the "they think she's one" treatment, only for her to be ordinary. Like you said it could potentially conflict with her character arc to be one or whatever, and this would be a nice fake out for the audience and also give us an excuse to include her world.
I love that Cinderella is in her original silver dress in KH.
I love the concept of the Princess of Heart. A group of women who fundamentally regulate the light of the universe by merely existing. I just wish they had more to do, especially Kairi.
Sofia would be to OP as a Disney princess. No seriously with her skills, magic amulet, enchantlet, and general competence give her the power of light and she’s unstoppable
I was surprised too see Sofia mention here lmao!😂 Sofia would be soo goated tbh.
Ooo, she could make an interesting villain lol. Would love to see a villain that is on the ‘light’ side.
She could be a summoner with Yuna
@@xXLunatikxXlul we already got that with "Sofia the Worst" episode. A real brat...and if good Sofia is linked to Disney Princesses then bad Sofia would be Disney Villains linked....and her strongest on either side...is Sleeping Beauty.
honestly as a kid i HATED the fact that my favorite disney princess was in the game but wasn’t a princess of heart but now that i’m older I much prefer Ariel having the distinction of being the first princess/woman party member and the only woman party member in KH1 as well. She’s much more special than the princesses of heart.
I personally am still a little salty about it (not to the extent of rage, just mildly annoyed). She would have been one of three Princess of Heart who actually show combat prowess alongside Elsa and Kairi. Oh well. It is what it is.
My big hope with Kingdom Hearts 4 is that they bring the Council of Disney Villains back. With the Princesses of Heart relevant again and Maleficent having the chance to be just as relevant as she was in KH1 thanks to the Black Box this is the perfect chance to bring back the council, bringing a few returning villains back and rearranging the roster to reflect the villains Disney have created since KH1
These wild card princess picks at the end of the video have me dead 😭 not a bugs life
There's no way they're gonna exclude Tiana from becoming a Princess of Heart. She's very popular and modern enough for a new gen of seven hearts. Her story also blends in well with adding Dr. Facilier as a villain as he can command shadows, which basically he can summon Heartless at his will.
I don't think they'd add Princess Leia to the seven hearts because she'd just stick out like a sore thumb against all of the animated princesses. I guess we'll only find out in KH4 or Missing Link though, but it'll most likely be Kairi, Rapunzel, Elsa, Anna, Moana, and Tiana. The last member would be a toss between Merida, Raya, or Mirabel.
There is one key piece of evidence that could easily prove kairi is a royal princess.
When she says goodbye to aqua in birth by sleep kairi does a royal curtsy.
And yes there is a drastic difference.
Here is a noble woman’s curtsy:
They grab the side of the skirt. And then they bend at the hip performing a bow.
A royal curtsy is different.
They stiffen their back, stand up straight. Reach down without bending to grab the side of their skirt. Then they slightly bend their knees. Creating the illusion of their head bowing.
Never even considered why Ursula just decided to ignore the plan after doing that big mystery villains council thing at HB, the Ariel-Alice swap observation seems valid.
Melody please, she's a princess and Ariel is a queen now!
I think it'd be really funny if Raya does end up in KH4 only for the writers to reuse the plot element with Vexen from the Caribbeans in 3, where he thought Davy Jones' chest contained his "KH definition" heart rather than his actual "human" heart. Let's say Maleficent or MoM and Foretellers are seeking the new Seven and they hear of a world with *A* princess of heart only for it to fall outside of their understanding of the term.
That would be hilarious!🤣
love the video so far its also worth noting though, alice IS technically a princess at least in the alice in wonderland books themselves, and she was meant to become one by the end of the movie as well, she also has been sparsely included in some disney princess brands alongside marie from the aristocats, besides esmeralda and tink theyre EASILY the weirdest "members"
I initially thought that Megara from ‘Hercules’ was a part of the original Disney Princess line-up and got dropped. By all accounts in my book, she should be considered a princess, because…
A) She ends up with the son of the king of Gods.
B) She was indeed a princess in the original myth
C) Her voice actress is Susan Egan, who did the role of Belle originally on Broadway.
All I’m saying is that if Esmeralda could initially fit into the princess line-up, and if Mulan is still qualified to be in the line-up to this day, then I don’t see any reason for Meg not to be!
I mean, she was included on the Disney Princess Sing-A-Long Songs: Once Upon a Dream. They had "I Won't Say I'm in Love," so I grew up always thinking of her as a princess.
i would love to see Yzma as a bad guy around, rest in peace Eartha
My justification for Ariel's exclusion is that she does make a deal with ursula (TWICE in kh canon). A metaphorical deal with the devil. So she MAY have some darkness in her. I can see it.
Also I'd prefer if elsa wasnt a princess (even tho shes heavily implied to be). You already summarized the bulk of my issue (she def FEELS like she has darkness. Shes the riku to Anna's sora/kairi). But also... dammit just throw Anna a bone! Let Anna be special for once! A northuldran married a human prince and one of their daughters became this 5th elemental spirit of ice meant to bring balance to the world and the other is... just a normal person with no power????? Let her have that cool light magic destiny. Then elsa can just be her protector. The aladdin or Phillip
I can propose one flaw for Kairi, at least in KH1- she's very secretive! When Sora asks her if she remembers anything about her original world, Kairi says she doesn't remember. The way she is framed, with her eyes obscured, is a Japanese cinematography technique to imply that the person is closed off. She does, in fact, remember her original world, but refuses to tell her friends of 9 years. And before the trio sets sail, Kairi tries to convince Sora that they should leave without Riku because he's changing, implying that she can sense his growing darkness. I wish other KH games explored this aspect of her, as it has a lot of character arc potential!
greetings from regular pat twt, this video is so high quality for such a small audience! Keep up the good work
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I think the difference between Elsa in a big degree is she had powers that could hurt people through her emotions. If another princess had powers that they couldn't control I feel like they could've also accidentally hurt someone though your point does still stand since she tried to kill people in the movie. But yeah idk I think jasmine or Ariel or hell aurora could have accidentally hurt someone if their emotions wend haywire
7:50 Yzma isn’t too far behind as far as Disney Villains franchise representation goes, I like to think of her as the honorary 14th member, Special mention goes to Shere Khan, Governor Radcliffe, & Frollo who also get represented a decent amount. Also Madame Mim if we’re going by Comics representation
Yeah this is why the villains lineup is so hard to pinpoint, characters like the ones you pointed out plus a myriad of others do get grouped in with different Disney Villains appearances. I know Yzma and Ratcliffe were used in the Sorcerers of the Magic Kingdom group, Frollo is part of Fantasmic, hell, even Pete feels like a big snub. The 13 I listed, while they are the most commonly used, is very much an arbitrary selection.
I think my main issue with the New Princess of Heart is that they set them up only really as a backup plan for Xehanort, but that just makes me ask why are they the backup plan and not the main plan? Why risk failing when you have the opportunity to get all seven princess and just make the X-Blade.
I presume it’s because they don’t where all of them are, they are actively looking for them. The Guardians of Light managed to gather before they happened to locate all Seven New Hearts.
@@TheCartoonBaffoon If only Xehanort had an opportunity to delay Sora and Riku for a long period of time and managed to acquire Kairi before she got invited by Yen Sid to join the Guardians. Oh well, I guess if he wasn't so obsessed with making Sora the thirteenth member of the Organization he might of actually ben able to do the princess plan without interruption.
I agree. KH3 made so many head scratching decisions 😂
I've thought about this solid idea for a Kairi game where she goes through Princess of Heart worlds, and it could either be DDD-styled where she's doing ones from the past (though this would be repeating many worlds and they'd have to be reworked) or use the new princesses, or even a little of both following along the timeline of changing Princesses and maybe even showing us a non-disney predecessor or something. Either way it would be about her reconnecting with her abilities as a princess and finding her motivation to get stronger etc etc. It could use a lot of your ideas here on how they're chosen for their roles and showcasing how their powers might work. Most importantly it gives Kairi focus and character development.
I think Mirabel has a good shot of being a Princess of Heart. Look at Alice. By herself, she wasn't anything special. Her special powers as a Princess of Heart only matter when they're gathered together. In the movie, Mirabel herself isn't special, it is her love of her family and desire to support them that makes her special.
Besides, by the end of Encanto, Mirabel is hinted at inheriting the miracle. The argument there could be that Abuela was a princess and Mirabel inherited her light. It could be something they could also do with Kairi and her own grandmother and could explain why both Elsa and Anna are qualified to be princesses.
I agree. I think that the other 3 should be a mixture of Vanellope, Tiana, Mirabel, and/or Moana. Those are the only four characters that I think Disney would actually choose to fill in the other 3 spots.
Heard your whole rant about why Ariel wasn't a Princess of Heart. I too believe that she's a better candidate than Alice and so here is a revised version of KH 1 that reflects that.
The changes I’d make to keep the story consistent with this “What If?” scenario are as follows. First and most importantly Atlantica is now required to access Hollow Bastion to keep the story consistent by having Sora visit all of the worlds of the recently captured Princesses. Now in terms of the story, the cutscene with Alice being shown in Hollow Bastion after being kidnapped will be extended for Maleficent to then dismiss her saying something along the lines of “This isn’t one of the girls we’re looking for. I’ll have him return her.” and the scene would end before Riku enters to save the surprise of him working for Maleficent until Traverse Town 2. However due to other more important tasks, Maleficent just keeps Alice around until the appropriate time to return her, i.e. after the opening of the final keyhole. That way when Alice does eventually return it doesn’t leave that story thread unknown to Sora, since as far as he’d know she is still missing and is looking for her.
Next, I’d base the story content in Atlantica on a combination of sorts, with the original story and the one in The Little Mermaid. Yes, that means that the KH 2 version of Atlantica doesn’t exist in this version of the series, and I’m also not going to bother giving it a replacement since it serves as a mini-game world and is kinda redundant with the 100 Acre Wood in the same game and also KH 2 has the most worlds out of every game in the series so not much is lost by removing one slot entirely. However instead of just using Ariel as a bargaining chip with Triton to give her the trident to take over the kingdom, she can also use him to reveal the location of the keyhole. Pretty much when we’re dropped in Atlantica it’s during the storm in the movie and Sora, Donald, and Goofy are watching Ariel save Prince Eric from afar. After Eric comes to she dives back into the water and this is when the group meets for the first time. Their meeting is just like how they meet in the original game also with heading to the palace to which the conversation with Trition is also the same. However, instead of afterward going to the sunken ship to find the Crystal Trident, Ariel leads the gang to where Flounder has found the statue of the Prince, and on the way she relates to them about her feelings for Eric. Just like in the movie Ursula is viewing Ariel from her lair.
When they arrive back at the grotto with the statue the conversation between Ariel and Sora is the same as the original game with Trition then coming in and destroying the statue, Ariel leaves, and he gives Sora the speech about not meddling in the affairs of other worlds. While this is going on Ariel has been drawn to Ursula’s lair like in the movie, except Flotsam and Jetsam visit her in the sunken ship area. In the lair Ursula offers Ariel a deal similar to in the movie except instead of three days she gives her until sundown the following day. Sora, Donald, and Goofy concerned for Ariel go looking for her and see fumes coming from a dark place which they come to investigate with Sebastian and Flounder. However, they arrive right at the moment that Ariel has already signed the contract, and working together the five haul her to the surface.
Skipping ahead to sundown the following day Ariel and Eric are on the same boat from “Kiss the Girl” but before they get to kiss it is too late and Flotsam and Jetsam tip the boat and grab a reverted to a mermaid Ariel and drag her away. Sora, Donald, and Goofy witness this and go to Eric to help look for her. Meanwhile, the scene from the movie where Ursula gets Triton to take her deal plays out, although since all she promised was that Ariel wouldn’t be harmed she can still technically through the mermaid through a dark corridor. Sora, Donald, Goofy, and Eric still in the dingy on the surface arrive just as Ursula grows to a massive size to defeat SDG and carry on her mission to access the keyhole. From here SDG fights Ursula by attacking her tentacles, and after depleting her HP a cutscene plays where Ursula staggers as Sora then strikes her hands holding the trident causing it to drop allowing Eric to use it as a javelin and throws it through Ursula just like in KH 2. Upon her defeat, Trition and the rest of the polyps return to their form. Before returning back under the water SDG promises Eric that they will find Ariel. When they return to Trition he says his apologies and also realizes the error in his ways of thinking as all humans as savages. To help SDG on their quest he reveals to them that the world’s keyhole is in Ariel’s Grotto and in thanks, the group in return promises that they will return his daughter home safely. And that’s where the changes mostly end other than Ariel being present in Hollow Bastion in one of the crystals to contain her and when the Princesses are freed she is sitting in a tub for the time being, with an option text bubble dialogue piece when talking to her upon returning to Hollow Bastion mentioning how she finds it uncomfortable but that it’s at least nice to speak again, which in this timeline the shell used to contain Ariel’s voice was broken upon Ursula’s defeat. Alice will also have optional dialogue in a text bubble where she expresses how she is in some way flattered by being mistaken for a princess.
You might also wonder how I’d change the story inside Atlantica in Chain of Memories to fit with this new story. My answer is that I wouldn’t make any changes since the stories of the worlds in this game don’t always line up similarly to their KH 1 counterparts, especially Hollow Bastion. Also, I guess I should mention before moving on that Ariel’s name will replace Alice’s in the password for the Door to Darkness Datascape.
Alice is a Princess or it's implied at the end of her Movie where her & her tutor return to the castle
I wonder if SOPHIA or ELANA would be introduced
Fantastic video as always!! I love your takes💖💖💖💖
Ven is a pure heart, in union cross we find that out and he fuses with one of the Darkness (who will become Vanitus). So the darkness in his heart wasn’t originally his in the first place.
Yeah that sounds about right lol. I can never remember the details of how all that Union X stuff plays out, thx for the correction!
@@TheCartoonBaffoondon’t forget that Ventus might have blood on his hands
Im goana be entierly honest the only new Princess of Heart from Frozen should have been Anna.
Elsa let your sister have her moment for ONCE in your life
Exactly, Else being a princess is one of few complaints I have for 3
As much as I love Elsa, she has the personality of a sponge and always runs away from her problems (both films). I wouldn’t be surprised if she ran away once again in the upcoming sequel 💀💀
@@starsneptunexx I feel if they retcon her to be not a Princess of Heart then I’ll be ok with it
I don’t think the issue with Kairi’s characterization has *anything* to do with how “light” she is. She’s shown the capacity for what I guess you might call “dark” traits before- the real issue with her is a matter of framing and focus- I.e the games are almost always pushing her out of any spotlight or framing her as more of an object than a subject.
It’s less a matter of “Kairi’s too goody two-shoes to be interesting” and more “the narrative refuses to utilize or contextualize Kairi’s character in interesting ways.”
Shoutout regular Pat for sharing this. Great stuff CB
it's kinda shame that the evil queen,gaston and cruella de vil didn't join maleficent's disney villains council since snow white,belle & the beast and pongo,perdita & the puppies are already in the first game
A very good video and I am excited for the Princess lineup, but 32:27 had me laughing and I love it-
Belle elbowing Xaldin to get back Beast’s rose must be one of the best scenes, along with Sully yeeting Vanitas lol
I feel like with Elsa she's pushing people away because she's afraid of causing harm. She can't control her ice powers and doesn't want to hurt anyone, especially her sister Anna. Maybe because her intent is well meaning and feels that her leaving Arendelle was the noble and right thing to do.
Leia is certainly not gonna be picked just due to studio or likeness rights. Too many hurdles would need to be jumped if she had to make minor appearances with the other princesses together later in the series. Besides, Tiana is just a shoo-in for the position at this point.
Normally I’d agree with you in regards to the likeness rights, but because it’s Star Wars I suspect it’ll be used in more than one game anyway, so I expect Leia’s gonna be around long-term.
To be fair, I don’t think they just realized it, I think they didn’t quite have enough princesses to really make a line-up. You really want a full house there. They need a Disney Heroine line up too. Mulan, Pocahontas, Esmeralda. We also need Disney Prince!
Love this vid! Keep up the great work :)
Yo, this video is so good!
Thanks for the description. If there is to be more new Princesses, I like to suggetion characters like Lilo, Moana (because popular reasons), and Cinderella's reformed stepsister Anastasia. Of course, my question is why have the other princesses gave up their light roles and not Kairi?
Because the writers couldn’t figure out how to recycle the princesses of heart concept properly lol
@@xXLunatikxXlul And yet Kairi is always sought after
You just have to watch old Mickey stuff especially the shorts to prove he has darkness in him
I know Mizrabel is not a princess, but it would be awesome to see her acknowledged as a villain or background character in a KH game. She originated from older Disney video games so it would be cool to see her return in some capacity :)
It’s actually stated BY the Darkness in Union X that the Master deliberately excluded Raident Garden from the preview of the Unions to prevent Maleficent from…doing something with knowledge of the complete set.
(It’s been a while, I forgot the specifics)
i can't believe it took three years for moana to be officially a disney princess, meaning she missed out on being a princess pre-kh3 launch despite her movie coming out in 2016. insane.
We need princess Tiana!!!
My headcanon for the princesses giving sora firaga is that they are just giving him a boost of power and his most natural element is fire, its his first spell and tho shiro amano doesnt speak canon, I believe in one of the Mangas donald says his strangest element is fire or smth
I think Elemental Ember and Wade should be part of the worlds in KH4
That would be a cool idea I've seen fan art of what Sora would look like in that world!
@@noahdean9685 and there could be Ember and Wade models of them to be available to have in both SFM and Blender
I wish we could see more of the Disney fairy lore. It was so good and cute at the same time. There’s a lot of content KH could use post-KH3 and I’m very here for it.
The mad man did it
I would highly recommend rewatching Cinderella because she definitely holds a grudge against her step family and Lucifer, but it's more sarcastic remarks behind closed doors (except when she sicks Bruno on Lucifer)
In union x the reason only 6 princesses are present is because even though they are “copies” they can still open the door to darkness
Banger vid let's goooo
also: kuzco for kh4 or bust 😤😤😤
FUCK YEAH
Fun fact, Video game Kairi and Manga Kairi have two seperate personality types, in the Manga Kairi is often rude to others, she's also creative (She snuck passed ducks by mimicking their mocements and they THOUGHT SHE WAS ONE OF THEM SO THEY JUST LET HER GO!) She also punched Demyx and threw her Keyblade at Xigbar (She didnt do what Ventus dos with his keyblade where he throws it and it comes bck like a boomerang) she straigth up threw her keyblade at him
I love your video!
Your explanation about everything made sense and I can understand your reasoning for the princesses
I didn’t really understand why Alice was put as the (in my own words) Gen 1 princesses of light
Best reason was because of her immense innocence and curiosity was what made her a contender and main vessel for one of the lights
And maybe why Ariel wasn’t chosen (in story) was she and Alice both possessed the same traits and the power of light decided to go to Alice more
As for Elsa I could say in a way is still innocent even when she done bad. She still cares and has love. I think a person only becomes a “heartless” is they abandoned all “goodness” from themselves, turned to evil by their own choice or is naturally evil and does not care about others
Pocahontas totally deserves to be in KH in the future. And the nice thing about being in Kingdom Hearts is that it’s not always about following the story of the movie exactly. So this would be a great opportunity rewrite some things and just make her a part of the Kingdom Hearts universe.
I think to understand who is going to be the princesses of light, you have to learn to speak Disney’s language, and that language is called capitalism. So of course Moana is a lock in, they need to promote her, she has a sequel and a live action remake coming out. I personally also think Tiana is a lock in, she has that new ride at Disney World and a Disney plus series coming. And other than that, maybe Mirabel has a decent shot, Encanto made them so much cash. The only thing against her is that she isn’t actually a Disney Princess, and compared to 2002, when KH1 came out, today, Disney has the Princess brand strapped so tight by the balls. There is a reason why Mirabel hasn’t been inducted into that brand, I don’t know what that is, but it’s been a while since Encanto came out, and she hasn’t been inducted into that brand. So considering this, I think the third might be either Mulan or Ariel, since they’ve been with that brand since the beginning.
Yeah, I suspect that the other ones would be either Moana, Tiana, Mulan, Ariel, Mirabel or even Lilo (because Stitch's insane popularity in Japan and the fact there's a new live action movie coming out next year).
eating this up rn
Tiana has her own Disney+ series in production so I could see them capitalizing on a KH cameo.
I was today years old when I found out that Anna and Elsa aren’t official Disney princesses. Especially with their inclusion in media like Wreck It Ralph 2. It’s weird to know that they aren’t
Apparently it’s because Frozen became extremely popular that Disney decided to just keep it as their own franchise.
I’d love to go to Brave and see Merida as a Princess. A movie about changing your fate while the Book of Prophecies starts taking Centre Stage has a lot of narrative potential.
The third princess being Leia?! Pls dont threaten me with a good time😭😭😭💕 it would be amazing
Pls be Leia and not asha
coming back here by accident right after disney had a frozen fan celebration…on the disney princesses youtube channel. i don't think even disney knows anymore if frozen is or isn't part of the princess brand anymore
My theory as to why Alice is a princess of heart over Ariel is for the visual of three blondes- Cinderella, Aurora and Alice with three brunettes- Snow White, Belle and Jasmine and then one redhead with Kairi. I just assumed it was a colour coding design choice
As a Star Wars fan Leia would be a hilarious choice. Imagine if she got to sit in that Wreck it Wralph 2 princess room and brough up how she choacked a giant slug guy with his own chains that he was using to keep her a "pleasure" slave.
I think what constitutes as darkness in Kingdom Hearts is willingly giving into being a bad person. There is a narrative of darkness itself in kingdom hearts being misunderstood and given its evil nature by those who abuse it like Xehanort. Riku shows that darkness can be used for good as long as it’s controlled. Terra was someone who had to be manipulated into fully giving into darkness. Sure his insecurities did give in at the beginning of the game but it’s not like every time he was upset he used dark powers then he would’ve shown darkness at radiant garden when arguing with Ven and Aqua. Terra shows his darkness when pushed to extreme limits such as Ven being put at risk and Eraqus dying. The Disney princesses themselves deal with upsetting situations such as their parents dying. Cinderella’s mother died and she probably felt upset over it at some point. Even Sora only gets his dark forms when either abusing the light (drive forms) or when he’s in a critical situation (rage form) I also assume Sora didn’t show any darkness in the keyblade graveyard because he was upset seeing his friends die rather than willingly choosing the darkness for some reason. Kh does say everyone has darkness but Mickey has a much better time handling it than Xehanort did which is why ones good and the other is evil
Esmeralda nor Tinkerbell were ever offical princesses. They were special guest character much like Jane or Alice. There was a chance they would be included but it was never offical at any point.
They were more or less like how Elsa and Anna are now, frequent guests. The only one who was at all close was Tinkerbell who was considered the mascot for the princesses until she got her own franchise
Choosing Leia and Mirabel over Tiana and Raya rubs me the wrong way. Lol
Yeah Tiana is a no brainer for me too, though I doubt Raya will make an appearance in kh games cause the movie just wasn't that successful
@@cyrielleglbrt1044 to be fair, I don’t think we can judge a film getting into KH due to that cause Tron nor Tron Legacy were “successful” financially. There’s also straight to dvd movies like three musketeers. I think it just depends on the melding of stories
@yourboysnowden6896 yeah you're right actually! To be honest I think I'm just not able to envision characters like Raya or Asha and their worlds getting in the kh franchise because I don't imagine them as being the first options they would go to. But yeah with worlds like Tron and three musketeers, and even timeless river and Fantasia that are less obivious choices, you're right, the popularity of the movie as of it is nowadays doesn't really matter to exist in kh
@@cyrielleglbrt1044 when u saw Raya in theaters I leaned over to my fiance and said “this is destined for kingdom hearts.” I can also see Wish cause Magnifico would be a dope boss battle and someone that would clash with Sora so, I’d welcome it personally of course
If Alice in wonderland could come back they should use the Tim Burton Alice in wonderland I think it would be amazing to see Sora Donald and Goofy reunite with Alice now older!
Maybe instead of SDG it’s Riku and the reason why Alice is repressing the memories of Wonderland is because of Riku kidnapping her and taking her heart
@@raheemaslam7363 oh that would be a good idea, Riku apologizes to Alice for kidnapping her and tell's her that he's a changed person now!
@@noahdean9685 yeah but before that Alice keeps running from him because she thinks he’s still trying to take her heart and Alice would refer to him as “The Dark Knight”
Black cauldron is underrated!! Would love to see her and Miss Piggy be the new princesses😂😂
I feel like if(hopefully when) Kairi gets her own game, after getting some training from Aqua, she’ll meet and befriend her fellow Princesses of Heart(past and present) by traveling to their worlds and looking her family history in Radiant Garden.
As for Cruella de vil and Dr. Facilier:
The locations in "101 Dalmatians” wouldn’t exactly work as it's own world in KH, but perhaps if they bring back Traverse Town where the Dalmatians were gathered in KH1, Kairi could face off against Cruella. Whose obsession with those dogs has turned her into a Boss Heartless(maybe as early boss like Sora had to face there alongside Donald and Goofy)
Dr. Facilier is easier to work with, though maybe add Maleficent being involved. Depending if they do a Post movie adventure like some other past Disney Worlds.
Yes to for kuzo, lost empire, treasure planet!!!!
I would find it Interesting if Anna and Elsa counted as one. Not only would that make space for an extra princess, but a good hinder in plot. Like hey we have Anna protected, Woops the Enemy has Elsa and can use her as a substitute anyways. Etc.
It would be cool if joy went in someone’s head and she carried the princess of heart title with her
I could absolutely see Melody, especially in terms of avenging the fact that Ariel wasn’t a princess of heart. Hear me out, Melody and her mother are more than royalty as their descendants of Poseidon, Melody could fix the on land and sea problem aspect of Ariel’s world in KH1, plus if you think about it Little Mermaid 2 Return to the sea released 2 years before KH1 so by then even tho she’s still part of the Disney Princess Lineup Ariel would technically be the queen in the universe of her film.
Do I foresee Melody ever being included in the KH games? Not really, but it could most definitely work and I’d love to see the concept personally ❤️
I’m hoping the other 3 princesses end up being Vanellope (due to the importance of her world in Union Cross), Moana (due to her popularity at this point), and I’d like to see the final one be Tiana.
Once all new members are known, then I think that Square should go into why Kairi is the only one who stayed a PoH (despite being the only KH character that is also a PoH character).
If Leia really gets added to the princesses of heart, I think we'll finally get a band of princesses that does more than get captured. Besides Kairi struggling on the side...
As others have already posted, Ariel's not being a princess was mostly due to production issues. However, I would argue that in Kingdom Hearts' definition of Princesses of Heart, she wouldn't have fit anyway.
After all, they are defined by the lack of darkness in their hearts, and all of the (old) canonical princesses have few to no character flaws. However, Ariel's desire to be on land almost dooms her Kingdom and its people. She so desperately wanted to be with her prince that she basically gave in to darkness, which ironically mirrors Riku's storyline from KH1. He also gives into Darkness to escape the confines of his world.
And seeing Riku getting ever closer to Darkness for it while Ariel would be called a pure-hearted princess in the same game would have been jarring, to say the least.
Not sure what they are cooking with the new princesses. My best guess would be that Elsa was basically a candidate for becoming a princess of heart and got the proper title only at the very end of Arendelle. By that logic Ariell could obviously fit too, but I'm mainly concerned with KH1 here.
I doubt it would happen because of dumb reasons but I think it would work story wise if they made Melody, Ariel’s daughter a princess of heart.
What about Kiara? She was a Princess, technically.
It would have been neat if each of the villains were the villains from the princesses’ movie. I would want to keep Ursula have have Ariel be a princess instead of Alice. Although I’m not sure if Lady Tremaine and Gaston would really work. The evil queen would. Maybe they could recruit some newer Disney villains like Dr. Facilier. I’m not sure if Mother Gothel or Hans would work.
The New Six Princesses of Heart (Prediction):
1. Rapunzel
2. Anna
3. Elsa
4. Tiana
5. Moana
6. Raya
Just hope that Asha's story in Kingdom Hearts is better than it is in her own movie.
Though, I wouldn't put it past Disney to use Asha, Raya, Vanellope, Merida, or Mirabel.
I'd love to see Heartless based off the Voodoo creatures we see in the Princess and the Frog.
I certainly hope they'll reveal Vanellope to be Princesses of Heart in a future KH title (if they continue to use the plot point to begin with, because basically it just adds a little more complexity to the already astonishing complex KH storyline(. Maybe 4, maybe something before... but something, if there are empty slots to fulfill... that'll be her time to really shine. Regardless, with how much attention her and the others have been getting in other Disney media (Lorcana, the Gameloft games [Speedstorm and Dreamlight Valley], as well as even huge potential with the Fortnite collaboration), she is BOUND to make her in game appearance in a full fledged 3D KH game as soon as possible. 🌌
I think it would be funny if Joy was a pure light
Baymax should've been a Princess of Heart
Call Disney. You’re the new voice of Peter Pan!
also: if frozen 2 does come to KH, then that would mean two of our new seven hearts are already queens. sorry, kairi, you got beaten to the punch.
If Star Wars is on the table, I think Anastasia should be too. Both were part of the Fox purchase after all
Actually, Star Wars came from the purchase of Lucasfilm, not Fox. That said, totally should’ve brought up Anastasia in the final rundown of characters, totally blanked on that lol.
I heard that Esmeralda was taken out of the princess franchise because unlike the other princesses, Esmeralda was not as popular and her products did not sell as much.
She’s also not really a princess per say lol
@@xXLunatikxXlul True, but Mulan isn't one either. It's about which character is most popular and had a bigger impact on kids.
@@paschameleon I know, I was just saying per say, because she *could* be classified as a Disney Princess, but that would be up to Disney to decide unfortunately(in my head canon they’re all princesses).
Now, I did read somewhere that the princesses to be featured in the line were chosen from classic Disney films. The characters were not chosen specifically for their royal titles, but rather for how well they fit into what Disney executives deemed “the Princess mythology”. Mulan is an example of this concept; she has no familial ties to royalty, but is still included in the character list.
Additionally, I read somewhere that one of the directors said that the medallion the emperor gives her at the end of the movie makes her an honorary member of the royal family. I can’t verify that because I remember watching a video about this topic in the early 2000’s in an interview/behind the scenes with the directors, so I may be missing some detail. I hope this kind of helps :)
@@xXLunatikxXlul Ya... we should have a petition to have her back in the princess lineup.
Interesting. That makes a lot of sense for Mulan's inclusion in the lineup then.
I think that now that the lineup is a thing, Disney purposely makes characters to add to the lineup. Like Tiana, Rapunzel, Merida, Moana, and Raya where made to be added to the princess lineup. Whereas the older ones where a pick and choose
Guys just throwing thus out there but what of one of them was boo
it makes no sense that tiana hasn’t been included in KH yet
Why not Elena and Sofia? They are literal magical princesses that are combat ready and would make the best teammates to fight along side Sora (or whoever is available). Look at their last chapter power ups and skills.
I do think Tianna, Moanna and Mirabel will be our final three Princesses of Heart. Elsa was at least sanitized enough for her to be passed off as a legitimate Pure Light. Not as much as Jasmine, Alice or Belle in KH1, but still.
I don't think we're getting Giselle since Disney didn't want to license Amy Adam's likeness 'til the end of time (note how basically none of the Princesses resemble the actresses that portrayed them). And I don't think we're getting Merida outside of a similar role to Wendy as a red herring. Brave, in spite Disney's marketing, is much closer in proximity to a classical Grimm Fairy Tale as opposed to your standard Disney-brand Fairy Tale, and I don't think Merida would hold up to much scrutiny as a potential Princess candidate.
Raya and the last dragon is a good movie however I disagree with the actions. The story punishes her for not trusting when SHE HAS A PERFECTLY GOOD ENOUGH REASON NOT TO TRUST ANYONE!
Due to trusting she lost her father and her home.
I genuinely think Nomura regrets Kairi’s inclusion, she was at least more fully defined in the first 3 games but then just became NOTHING and got even more sidelined as time went on.
If you could have 5 of these princesses as your friends which would you choose
Uuuuh Anna, Elsa, Rapunzel, Belle, Jasmine
Same
Bring Atlantis and Treasure Planet into Kingdom Hearts, they are almost perfect for the setting, especially Treasure Planet given how gummy ship space stuff is done.
So I’ve been wondering this for a while and I’m curious to hear what you think, but by definition, wouldn’t Ventus also be a Princess (technically Prince) of Heart?
I’d personally say no. As I said in the video, the Princesses of Heart seem to all be naturally occurring pure lights while Ventus is only a pure light cuz his darkness was removed. Ven is effectively an anomaly in this world which to an extent is more fun than just being an eighth princess.
@@TheCartoonBaffoon well I think that would make Ventus a Shang technically.
If the Princesses must be like the classic lineup (which caps at Mulan for the Excellent Eight) so to would the Princes cap at Shang.
Ven is a Prince of Heart, but in a manner to how Shang...and either John (preferablly Rolfe, even though both aren't exactly nice guys) are.
The core idea is of course that they must have the qualities that Jonathan Charming, Auguste Charming (seriously Snow Prince and Prince Charming have many names and even share the Charming one, they're probably brothers.) and Philip do...or be more like rennaissance Princes. I think Ven's hinted at as being similar to Jonathan though considering he took a bite of the apple and went to bed.