Here is my experience as a TBC raider. Gruul was actually pretty tough since he was a gear check. Mixed with KZ drama. Being it was a ten man. We did 3 separate groups a week. Selecting 25 from the 30 caused a big rift in our guild. Who were pretty close since MC. We justified who went into the 25 man raids with meters and gear. Ppl left including one of our main tanks since his wife was left behind. Then after Mags we had SSC and TK. Loot Reaver was on farm before we even started getting Tier 5 gear in SSC. Lady Vashj was a nightmare. Took us almost 2 months to kill her after clearing SSC. After her it was smooth sailing for our guild. Prince K was downed a month after Lady V. Then blew past MH and BT. BT was easy compared to the other raids it felt like. Illybeans went down soon enough. Oh boy. Sunwell came next. Dear god we were not ready for this hell hole. Brut humbled us real quick. We wiped on him over 200 times. After that. God. Damn. Muru. He killed our guild. We lost the Sunwell race on our server. Took us a full week of attempts to even hit phase two. We finally broke apart. People quit or left for another guild. Really fucking sad. TL:DR I Fucking miss it.
Thanks for sharing! We have a similar story actually. My guild also had some drama in Kara. Going from 40 in vanilla to 10 in the "first" raid was pretty rough like I mentioned in the video. The way my guild handled it was to make an officer only group, and then just leave the rest of the guild to fend for themselves....a lot of people were angry. I didn't mind much though since I was tuned out from the vanilla burnout. If there's one thing I don't miss from those days it's the drama! They managed to keep it together though and did pretty well even through sunwell. Thanks for sharing your story. I like reading through other people's experiences...good stuff!
Damn, this brings back memories. I never made it to Sunwell because I quit playing for a while after clearing BT and MH. I loved TBC raiding, the struggle was real when we first tried to clear Karazhan with pretty much all of the players new to raiding. It was a lot of learning and got easier week by week.
Do you probably blew past Mount hyjal and black Temple because you did it after the Tempest keep in SSC nerfs which followed by Mount hyjal and black Temple nerfs along with class after my sessions that made it very easy to do especially if sunwell was soon to follow... Because that is how most people experience it not seeing the weeks tanks had to coordinate to learn how to tank Illidan flames
P R E H E E T I totally agree. This man is calm, pleasant, accurate, and positive. He is also technically skilled and makes great videos. He is in my top 3 WoW reviewers on UA-cam. I hope he gets 1 million subs.
I'm happy Blizzard is going to make a vanilla server, but I wish they were also making a Burning Crusade server! It was by far my favorite time playing WoW. Everything just felt right. Hybrid damage dealers brought a lot of utility to raids, and if you set up your group appropriately with them you'd get great boosts in overall damage. The heroics were hard, there was always a sense of progression, cc was necessary still, rare mounts were still few and far between, reps were worthwhile to gain etc etc. It's a pain in the ass too because there doesn't seem to be a Burning Crusade private server that is anywhere close to what nostalrius was for vanilla. Maybe one day I'll get to have the authentic experience again
D G I se your points. Have to disagree one one major thing though: in TBC every spec was playable and every spec had a Tier set. Ferals, Boomkins, enhancement, shadow (barely), Retradins etc did not even get a raid spot in Vanilla and didn’t have set gear. I think BC was the sweet spot because you could play all of them, every spec had unique buffs, every hybrid spec truly played and felt like a supporting class in the raid (I played shadow and enhancement). That was the pinnacle of this game for two years. I am excited for vanilla. I could do without the broken loot and PvP system though :) however I think bliss will have to adjust some of that. From a business perspective just getting the old school raiders back won’t make sense in the numbers
Loved this era of raiding. None of this incentive to finishing one difficulty of content to turn around and play it over again with different tuning and slightly different mechanics. If you finished one raid, it meant you could finally go somewhere new.
If many people will agree to this, many people will be wrong. "Hard mode" was introduced in Wotlk Ulduar, where certain in-raid conditions could trigger hard mode and extra loot.
@John Rock it was not. The beginning of wotlk was good. But last part was bad, and that is what makes TBC > WotLK. TBC had only 2 problems: 1 - it was too hard at the very beginning (attunements, etc.), but later it was nerfed to normal difficulty. 2 - PVP imbalance. WotLK had 9 problems: 1 - no attunes = no need to visit old raids (just for achievements) 2 - different sets' of badges = no need to visit old raids AT ALL (well, maybe just for the achievements?) 3 - new dungeons with gear better than the gear from previous raid = well, you know... 4 - no need to visit old raid = everything that was before the current patch worth nothig 5 - dungeon finder 6 - Trial of the Crusader/Champion. These were terrible. Like, srsly, if you like it - you are pervert. 7 - The only WPVP event now is Wintergrasp (which was great, btw). By WPVP events I mean things to fight over, like in Hellfire Peninsula, Terrokar and Zangarmarsh. 8 - Ressurection of Naxx and Onyxia. Blizzard was too lazy to create new content, I guess. 9 - PVP imbalance. Still. It was good at the very beginning, but later it was shitted up. It has it's good sides (Ulduar, Wintergrasp, Icercown, Dual spec, and, and.... aaaaaaaand that's it), but the down sides made WotLK < TBC.
God I forgot how many raids BC had. I think it was the most raid-heavy expansion ever made. I hope we will get WoW classic: BC eventually too, not just vanilla.
I also want an official blizzard burning crusade server. Personally I would rather have that than vanilla if I had to choose. You had Kara, gruuls, mag, ssc, tk, hyjal, black temple, zul Aman, and sunwell plateau and they were all really good raids! The community was really tight back then too, man what a great time to play the game!
Burning Crusade is the only xpac I had a full lifetime in. I got in the middle of vanilla (a week or so before Arathi Basin came out) and quit mid-WotLK a week or two after Ulduar came out. Did Illidan and Archimonde and it was great when they added much more diversity than vanilla.
Both informative and fun, I hope you keep these kinds of videos coming. As with most tubers yea we came for wow but we stay for the creator. So getting YOUR stories and YOUR experiences is pretty neat.
LOVE your videos! its great going back memory lane. I played wow my entire childhood through adult-life . watching your vids takes me back and puts a smile on my face. Keep up the great work!
It was the last time Matt Uelmenn worked as a composer for Blizzard, and you can hear the resemblance with Diablo 2 OST (mainly the expansion Lord of Destruction which is itself an homage to Wagner) and how the guy put very memorable leitmotivs in his works :) Needless to say I love it.
partially because of these videos I logged on the my wow account a couple day ago and started playing for the first time in 6 years and while I'm disappointed that it's hard to relive my nastalgic memory's because blizzard has changed almost every aspect of the game over the years I'm still happy to be back so thanks for the great content
Well, thanks for watching Sam! If your goal is nostalgia, the new "Classic" servers might interest you. They're Vanilla servers being developed by Blizzard. They're probably quite a ways away though(some people are saying 2019 I think?)
After quitting wow recently you are still the only wow channel I have no intention of ever leaving. The relaxed yet somehow excited way you describe things is fantastic. Keep up the fantastic work
That feel when you were one of the lucky 3 warlock or mage that got to be in the party with the lone elemental shaman and personal mana battery (shadow priest) and they swapped another shaman in your group mid-encounter for double bloodlust. Good fucking times. Tbc raiding was simply divine. I think the fact that most raids in the expansion were present from the start made it feel so special. The whole world was your oyster, if you became good enough and could gather your mightiest allies.
You are def one of my fav youtubers you are very informative without much cussing which is great bc i can watch around my 10yr old son. Thanks 4 being awesome, love the videos.
Winner of this month's Patreon poll =). Side note: The BFA alpha started so check your emails. I haven't gotten in yet, but you might be one of the lucky few!
as someone that started in BC, this takes me back. great as always. hey, if you're still looking for time warp ideas, how about professions? all the crafting profs had specializations and, while im not familiar with all of them, there were some cool quests/items. i remember getting that epic hammer trinket on my BS. or mining every ore individually. anyways, keep up the great work!
I think that could be interesting. I have the blacksmith/engineer specs on the list(hammer/axe/mace for BS, gnome/goblin for eng), but I don't know too much about the ones outside of those. I think leatherworkers and tailors had some? I'd have to look into it. Thanks for the suggestion!
My favourite moment in BC raiding was when I got to tank Firehand in Gruuls lair. As a mage main through vanilla and BC tanking part of a bossfight in a raid? Proposterous! Sure it wasn't a hard fight but it felt special nonetheless.
rlly remember taht too. even when i was (on a private server,some years later on) a mage tank with t5 gear. i still helped out,cause u really felt like an important part :)
TBC was the expansion that finally got me into a hardcore raiding guild, still with them to this day although I do no longer raid hardcore. its been 13 years since TBC and I have settled down in life and no longer have time to play WoW but TBC will always been the expansion that holds the most nostalgia even over Vanilla WoW. It's probably my favourite expansion to this day due to the social peak of raiding with a very awesome guild. So many good memories and people and it's also sad to remember those that have just come and gone since then :(
I just recently came across this channel (always wanted a detailed video about Shifting Sands questchain), and oh man, I'm enjoying the vids! Your calm voice helps me relax and get away from anxiety, the quality and informativeness of the videos is top notch too. I've been playing wow since 2008-2009 but missed a lot being a kid at school and not really understanding what's going on - now I feel how the gaps are being closed. Also, your poker-face jokes makes me laugh everytime :D So keep up the great work man, appreciate your efforts and wish you many adequate subs :)
To be fair, only Karazhan, SSC, Tempest keep and Hyjal were full raids. Mag and Gruul were more or less quick raids that if you had it down could easily finish it in 30 minutes. SSC and Tkeep required on average 2+ hours to finish, even on farm status.
Oh wow i've been watching every video for ages and didn't realise how much you've grown in subscribers :O , congrats dude i always loved how much effort you put into your content compared to many wow youtubers/streamers :)
BC will always be my favorite expansion, being attuned was a badge of honor. I didn't think any of the attunements were that difficult, except Black Temple, but since that was released later most everyone was already pretty much attuned, oh and Sunwell, that was one hell of a rep grind, but the lore was so legendary, it all felt important.
This series is amazing as it is a window into the games past that I never got to experience. I started playing WoW in MoP, mostly due to watching my dad play. Before then I was too young and didn’t really care for games like this. It took me about a year (breaks for school in there plus having to wait to get cata and MoP xpac) to hit max. Once I did so I found out about a mount that I was in love with instantly and was tied to an AotC achieve. The kor’Kron war wolf. So due to that I am in raiding. Now that I have grown and know what it is, I find myself looking to see what all the older more experienced players are talking about.
One video you might do, or series, is the old Druid form, Shaman totem, Warlock pet, Rogue lock pick and poisons, etc. The excellent immersive quests that made you more familiar with your character and gave it a strong base. I loved these and I still miss them. I guess they may be back in Classic, I hope.
I was in a top 40 raiding guild during BC and that was by far the best raiding expansion. The attunement process sucked off the bat because you were required to do heroic dungeons and you basically had to finish the dungeons under a certain amount of time or lose. Then you had to do the actual raids and complete them in order to progress to the next one. Some of the raids that you got starting off were okay, but not overly memorable. You had two one-boss raids to start with. Gruul's lair was broken (unbeatable) until they patched it. The first multi-boss raid was Serpentshrine cavern and it was pretty hard. Once you beat that you moved onto Tempest Keep and twiddled your thumb until 4 months later the Black Temple came out. Black Temple was the first dungeon that felt like an actual epic raid in the BC. The other ones were fairly small with only 3-4 bosses. Black Temple was probably one of my top favorite raids. I wasn't a fan of the Battle for Mount Hyjal map. So the biggest issue really with BC is there was a huge gap between raid releases after the Black Temple came out because it took almost 10 months Sunwell to come out. You had Zul'aman inbetween, but you were basically grinding the Black Temple inbetween that. Once the Sunwell came out we were grinding that for another 7 months until the WOTLK expansion came out. This is really if your guild was able to reach that level of content. Our guild was server first on everything and every other guild was significantly far behind us. Sunwell had some bosses that were just headslammingly hard like M'uru. Our guild was #6 in the world for killing him. So whilst BC was the best raiding expansion. It really had the longest gaps inbetween major raids.
Vanilla was amazing as a whole, but the raiding felt a bit experimental. It was clear in TBC that Blizzard had really listened to player feedback. No more insane farming for raid mats, but enough to do to keep people on line and guild social was great. The raiding pre nerf was fantastic and has never been beaten since. The 5 man heroics prepared raiders to some extent and kept most the idiots out of raiding altogether. Loved the attunement. It made the expansion an immersive experience where players were really involved in the story line. The raids were hard in a good way. It was a real achievement to down a new boss. I miss this expansion more than any other part of WoW, especially all if my friends and guildies. I miss the countless hours on Vent where it was normal for many members to chat all the time they were playing, even outside raid hours. I would love to have those times again, but time moves on and I realise that won't be possible. If anyone remembers Geiela on Darkspear and Silvermoon EU it would be awesome if you say hello :) Please, Blizzard developers, don't forget about the social aspect of the game because that is what made WoW so special.
Small correction, the reason shadow priests were on top on tbc was not the debuff slots. Shadow priests always had great damage but they had mana issues in Vanilla. In TBC they gave them a mana regen dot not only for you but also for your whole party. This made you not only run oom so fast anymore and being able to do do good damage, but it turned you into a living mana battery for your party.
Assirra This is all correct! Shadow priests in Vanillia were always top of dps for 15 seconds then they had no mana, they fixed this in TBC and the party buff was a must have!
Oh man. I can't wait for classic wow. THAT'S WHEN THE REAL GAME BEGINS I mean people are already complaining about the leveling change and scaling in 7.3.5 LOL I can't imagine how they would react in vanilla wow. (Hopefully blizz won't listen to them)
Baroness94 m lol you’ll play for like 2 weeks yourself and be like, neah. I can’t play like this anymore. Nostalgia will wear off, and then realize why they changed it originally and go back like everyone else.
K. T. There are private servers which are up since a few years and still have queues to get in. Did you stop and think that maybe people love the progression as they want to do it instead of Blizzard forcing every patch like hey this is the baddie this patch kill him for an ilvl upgrade. You can’t even show off the gear because of the shitty xmog system.
And then there are those of us that remember vanilla, hated the struggles, hate leveling in general, and like being at level cap because it allows us to do what we want when we want without having to worry about what's going to kill us or interrupt our version of having fun. If you liked Vanilla, more power to you, that's not my kind of fun tho.
I don't like the changes and I wish they'd change it back. I enjoyed WoW levelling for how it was, keep the annoying stuff for the vanilla players. They're getting their stuff soon so let the rest of the players keep the easy stuff. That's how I see it.
The Peak of WoW, at least for me, was the Burning Crusade. Of course I was still in high-school so I had all the time in the world, had my own guild with some RL friends that kept up with the curve and a bunch of dudes I played with for years, good times.
TBC was "the WoW experience" for me. Eventho the best description for the entire expansion is the word chore. There was just so effin much to do. I started playing WoW later in vanilla and joined in my mates aq40 guild. I never got to experience the proggress raiding part of it all but my god i was hooked. Before the bc launch the guild pretty much died so me and my mates desided to create our own guild to start working on the new content blizzard created. The guild never became a thing but we managed to merge with a bigger guild and so it all began.We nolifed the first few weeks, grinded endless amounts of rep, dungeons and so on. And when we had our first guys with the kara attunement done it was on.We splitted our "main crew" (first 30ppl to hit 70) to 3 groups and started to run kara . There we discovered the shitty loot (compared to heroics) and started to go for gruuls and mag instead. Maggie was the easy one to clear but my effin god did gruul give us some trouble (till the first nerfs) :D After that i kinda fell for the pvp side of WoW and joined back to the raiding scene for TK and lady vashj. Our guild was banging their heads on the ssc&tk walls before the (well deserved) nerfs to many of the encounters there.But when they finally did the needed fixes and the fine tuning. Our guild kinda smashed trough everything other than kael&ladyvashj. At this point i joined back on the pve realm and experienced the two best fights i know in WoW. Kael & Vashj
The shot of the de buffs on the lich king showed the dk s name as stoke. I m pretty sure he was in a guild called the hungering dawn on argent dawn! I remember that guy!
I guess we got lucky in TBC because we were on a new server that was created to handle the population influx of TBC (Shattered Halls). Our guild formed in Outland and all the content was fresh for us. This is why there was no drama about vanilla raiding or gear. We were fresh tourists in Outland. We were pretty well organised and united so we didn't lost focus because of many wipes. We didn;t clear the big raids (SSC, TK, BT) before the nerf however because most people were mature with families and jobs, so raid attendance wasn't so strong in the first 6 months. Even after the first line of nerfs, we still found it pretty tough, especially in TK and BT, but after everyone got on board and learned the boss strategies we sailed through. I remember that we found BT easier than the other big raids. We struggled the most in TK and MH. Later on we got Farmwell Plateau and it was a whole new punch in the face in raid difficulty. That raid was ridiculously hard and i got burned out pretty fast there. Every week we used to do 10-20 wipes at Brutallus and call it a day. I took a break from WOW back then because it felt like a dead end routine - do dailies, farm mats, get gold, get consumables, prep for raid day, wipe at Brutallus, repeat. I was actually happier when low gear pple were doing small raids like Kara, Gruul, ZA and other, because i needed a break from the fail fest in Sunwell. Karazhan was definitely my fav raid of all time. It had such good stories, characters and bosses. Every time someone would start a group for Kara i was the first on board :D! Ah good times!
Still remember the time in BC when I had an epic 1v1 with an alliance feral druid in zangarmarsh, I was a pally so we kept smashing into eachother then heal. that fight felt like it lasted forever..good memories.
Ah the memories. I also loved karazan. Another thing to point out is that ranged tanking was a thing as well. In Gruuls lair I had full green stamina gear to tank the mage boss and spell steal his shield. The timing was quite unforgiving his cast after the shield was 1,5 sec iirc and spell steals CD only just ran out as well.
(Before watching the video) my opinion on what made end-game great in Vanilla, TBC, and Wrath, is that it was done socially through your identity on the server. I was a healer. I knew the good DPS and tanks on my servers. They knew I was a good healer. You knew the other guilds on your server, and which guilds to take into PuGs and which to avoid. You knew the loot ninjas and the drama queens, and you knew the really good players. You knew the players that were jerks, but were also really good and you'd put up with their attitude for a successful dungeon run. Dungeons were hard. Raids were hard. There was no easy mode, so you had to work to succeed. However, anyone who did a little research had most of the tools to succeed. It wasn't a twitch game. It wasn't how fast can you mash the right button. It was more about who knew their class and their role. Raids relied on you knowing your whole class, not just a DPS rotation. The rotations were simpler, but the strategy and teamwork was harder. I think the best part about pre-LFG raiding is that socializing wasn't an inconvenience, it was part of the game.
This was my favorite time as well. And i loved karazhan. I remember speeding through it with one prot pally tank 3 healers and the rest dps. Just rushing through it every week
When raiding and 5 mans were at their best. Some of us enjoyed the difficulty of the raids and the grind to get there. As for 5 mans, Heroic SH on my Prot Pally tank is the most fun I've ever had in WoW.
Thanks again Mad, this brought back many bittersweet memories. Incidentally there is a second part to the "butthole" comment... "everyone thinks theirs don't stink". enjoy
TBC is when I was at my peak playing and I have only fond memories. My guild was server first KT kill, we spent I want to say at least a month wiping on him regularly, and it was awesome when we finally downed him. As a rogue I got the Signet ring on that kill, which was dope. Arena was a great addition for PvP, and the increased roles for classes like Druids was excellent to have more variety in groups/raids. My only regret is I burnt out while we were doing BT, quit before we downed Illidan and missed the warglaives which dropped for us. As #1 Rogue I was in line to get them. Oh well...
Oh I remember why I didn't do BT. I went back to PvPing because I was in the Army and had to do guard duty in Camp Casey so my schedule drastically changed for a month.
I remember Destruction Warlocks were crazy broken once you got to Tier 5 raiding (SSC, TK and beyond). All you did was apply a curse that increased shadow damage (forgot the name), sacrificed your Succubus for more increased shadow damage, then spammed Shadow Bolt. You topped the DPS charts with no effort whatsoever, and had Life Tap to replenish your mana. They were so broken that mages couldn't get into Sunwell raid groups because of the area-wide INT buff, and their DPS was painfully inferior to warlocks.
With the attunements, don't for there was no lfg. There were times i'd spend an hour just spaming chat to find anybody who would come do shadow labs with me, only to have somebody leave half way through. Then I'd spend another hour flying to shat and looking for a replacement, only to have more leave because it took so long to find that first replacement. I actually liked the long attunement though, it was back when having an epic piece of equipment actually meant something. I'll never forget my first raid though. I was hooked right there.
I loved TBC, especially Karazhan. My guild was the only one on server to farm sunwell, and my warrior tank was geared to the teeth, but as soon the raid was over i'd starting looking for a Kara group to join. I did Kara nearly every week from start to finish of the exp.
I wasn't so happy about TBC in the beginning. At the end part of Vanilla the guild I was in decided to migrate off the realm I had been since the beginning. I decided to stay. We were in the middle of Naxx progress (loatheb, 4hman, sapphiron and KT togo). I had to also take a break around this time for 2 weeks. I had to join another guild after the migrate and that progression reseted to Maexxna and the first bosses of each wing and even had to go kill Cthun again in AQ40. After TBC pre patch came around that guild broke out and people just waited for TBC. At the start of TBC I joined a guild that consisted mostly of people that were kinda just left overs of a raiding guild where I joined in the launch of the game. We started attunements and the first bit felt very bad for me. Obtaining Karazhan Key.. that was the most difficult bit for me. Took a while to get all done and get into Karazhan, there was several guys in the guild who did this already and tried to rush others into doing it so we can go raid Karazhan. But they didn't really hep to finish those 5mans. Our karazhan raiding eventually didn't work out so well and the guild broke apart. So I was already giving up with the game pretty much but then I found a guild that consisted of only players from the same country as I. I joined them, joined T4 raids and started to progress towards revered with the factions to get attuned to all heroi. Eventually we got realm first Kael'Thas and cleared up to Brutallus in Sunwell before we kinda grew tired with all the raiding. Eventually cleared the Sunwell after the nerfs. So the end part of the attunements was not that bad. That start was kinda rough. Also the start of raiding I had huge issues to get myself confortable with the huge changes in Marksman Hunter.. which I ditched in SSC because it was really lacking behind in DPS compared to BM. I hated BM for the simplicity, but luckily in Black Temple and beyond I could switch to Survival wich had better rotation.
You forgot Zul'Aman btw (10 man raid). It was pretty tough at the time, so it's not surprising not many people got the original mount. I remember 2-healing it to make the mount timer - usually most raids 3-healed because the damage was crazy. Also, Karazhan was initially extremely difficult until they nerfed it early on. Definitely a good time for hard core raiding. Another cool thing about BC raiding was the hybrid classes like pally and druid finally got some limelight. Not only -could- they tank/heal/DPS, but they were -very- good at all three for the most part. I miss armor capped behr tanks lol
I for one completely enjoyed the attunement process of TBC. It made a lot more sense to gradually go through content to unlock the next. IMO, raids should always have been added on top of each other like this, regardless of expansions. All end-game content from vanilla would still be relevant and explored. It's sad that most raids are forgotten now.
at the mid/end of BC is when I stopped playing warlock as main and started with paladin tank, same character I'm playing today, but now as retri. We were not a top tier guild, but we cleared every raid (-sunwell) before they got nerfed
I get the impression that the reason BC was such a good expansion in terms of the sheer amount of content... was that most of the ideas for that content had been around since vanilla, and much of it had been intended for vanilla. Bit of a shame that Blizzard didn't go down this more integrated route - instead of expansions, actually expanding the core game. I mean history has now shown us that this is actually a solid way of keeping subscribers - Eve's still going, just as old as WoW, despite always having a tiny player count by comparison. Warframe has gone from wealth to wealth using not only a free to play model, but a free expansion model.
Here is my experience as a TBC raider.
Gruul was actually pretty tough since he was a gear check. Mixed with KZ drama. Being it was a ten man. We did 3 separate groups a week. Selecting 25 from the 30 caused a big rift in our guild. Who were pretty close since MC. We justified who went into the 25 man raids with meters and gear. Ppl left including one of our main tanks since his wife was left behind.
Then after Mags we had SSC and TK. Loot Reaver was on farm before we even started getting Tier 5 gear in SSC. Lady Vashj was a nightmare. Took us almost 2 months to kill her after clearing SSC. After her it was smooth sailing for our guild. Prince K was downed a month after Lady V. Then blew past MH and BT. BT was easy compared to the other raids it felt like. Illybeans went down soon enough.
Oh boy. Sunwell came next. Dear god we were not ready for this hell hole. Brut humbled us real quick. We wiped on him over 200 times. After that. God. Damn. Muru. He killed our guild. We lost the Sunwell race on our server. Took us a full week of attempts to even hit phase two. We finally broke apart. People quit or left for another guild. Really fucking sad.
TL:DR I Fucking miss it.
Thanks for sharing! We have a similar story actually. My guild also had some drama in Kara. Going from 40 in vanilla to 10 in the "first" raid was pretty rough like I mentioned in the video. The way my guild handled it was to make an officer only group, and then just leave the rest of the guild to fend for themselves....a lot of people were angry. I didn't mind much though since I was tuned out from the vanilla burnout. If there's one thing I don't miss from those days it's the drama! They managed to keep it together though and did pretty well even through sunwell.
Thanks for sharing your story. I like reading through other people's experiences...good stuff!
Muru was pretty easy for our guild
Damn, this brings back memories. I never made it to Sunwell because I quit playing for a while after clearing BT and MH. I loved TBC raiding, the struggle was real when we first tried to clear Karazhan with pretty much all of the players new to raiding. It was a lot of learning and got easier week by week.
Do you probably blew past Mount hyjal and black Temple because you did it after the Tempest keep in SSC nerfs which followed by Mount hyjal and black Temple nerfs along with class after my sessions that made it very easy to do especially if sunwell was soon to follow... Because that is how most people experience it not seeing the weeks tanks had to coordinate to learn how to tank Illidan flames
The classic "IM NOT GONNA RAID IF MY SNUGGLEMUFFIN DOESNT GET TO COME" wife scenario. Ah. Too good.
Started watching your channel when you had a couple thousand subs. You deserve all the success my man. Love your videos, keep up the great work!
Thanks for sticking with me for so long...I appreciate it! Here's to another good year =)
He is right. I don't even play wow anymore and still take the time to watch alot of your videos.
same :D
P R E H E E T I totally agree. This man is calm, pleasant, accurate, and positive. He is also technically skilled and makes great videos. He is in my top 3 WoW reviewers on UA-cam. I hope he gets 1 million subs.
I'm happy Blizzard is going to make a vanilla server, but I wish they were also making a Burning Crusade server! It was by far my favorite time playing WoW. Everything just felt right. Hybrid damage dealers brought a lot of utility to raids, and if you set up your group appropriately with them you'd get great boosts in overall damage. The heroics were hard, there was always a sense of progression, cc was necessary still, rare mounts were still few and far between, reps were worthwhile to gain etc etc. It's a pain in the ass too because there doesn't seem to be a Burning Crusade private server that is anywhere close to what nostalrius was for vanilla. Maybe one day I'll get to have the authentic experience again
They said they would release other expansions, if Vanilla becomes a success
I would be back for TBC. Best game ever.
i farmed so many primals for the flying mount. i still have nightmares.
D G I se your points. Have to disagree one one major thing though: in TBC every spec was playable and every spec had a Tier set. Ferals, Boomkins, enhancement, shadow (barely), Retradins etc did not even get a raid spot in Vanilla and didn’t have set gear. I think BC was the sweet spot because you could play all of them, every spec had unique buffs, every hybrid spec truly played and felt like a supporting class in the raid (I played shadow and enhancement). That was the pinnacle of this game for two years. I am excited for vanilla. I could do without the broken loot and PvP system though :) however I think bliss will have to adjust some of that. From a business perspective just getting the old school raiders back won’t make sense in the numbers
Excalibur is actually really good
Time Warp = best series on this channel
Jump Smash dude right it's great it's like one way for me to see the game back then since I didn't get to play during the first few expacs
Loved this era of raiding. None of this incentive to finishing one difficulty of content to turn around and play it over again with different tuning and slightly different mechanics. If you finished one raid, it meant you could finally go somewhere new.
100% Agree. I miss the old days in WoW.
Now its same raid over and over... Most raids in BC had Normal, Heroic and Mythic, in same raid
No only dungeons had normal and heroic. No mythic too.
Many people will agree that bosses in BC and wotlk was heroic and Mythic, on Normal
If many people will agree to this, many people will be wrong. "Hard mode" was introduced in Wotlk Ulduar, where certain in-raid conditions could trigger hard mode and extra loot.
Yes another time warp episode :)) I love this series!!! And burning crusade is my most beloved expansion!
-Grettings from Sweden :)
Burning crusade is so the best time in WoW, its even better then vanilla.
Agreed！
I agree. BC was definitely the best.
@D G did u ever play vanilla
@John Rock it was not. The beginning of wotlk was good. But last part was bad, and that is what makes TBC > WotLK.
TBC had only 2 problems:
1 - it was too hard at the very beginning (attunements, etc.), but later it was nerfed to normal difficulty.
2 - PVP imbalance.
WotLK had 9 problems:
1 - no attunes = no need to visit old raids (just for achievements)
2 - different sets' of badges = no need to visit old raids AT ALL (well, maybe just for the achievements?)
3 - new dungeons with gear better than the gear from previous raid = well, you know...
4 - no need to visit old raid = everything that was before the current patch worth nothig
5 - dungeon finder
6 - Trial of the Crusader/Champion. These were terrible. Like, srsly, if you like it - you are pervert.
7 - The only WPVP event now is Wintergrasp (which was great, btw). By WPVP events I mean things to fight over, like in Hellfire Peninsula, Terrokar and Zangarmarsh.
8 - Ressurection of Naxx and Onyxia. Blizzard was too lazy to create new content, I guess.
9 - PVP imbalance. Still.
It was good at the very beginning, but later it was shitted up. It has it's good sides (Ulduar, Wintergrasp, Icercown, Dual spec, and, and.... aaaaaaaand that's it), but the down sides made WotLK < TBC.
Wow at its absolute best... The Burning Crusade expansion.
God I forgot how many raids BC had. I think it was the most raid-heavy expansion ever made. I hope we will get WoW classic: BC eventually too, not just vanilla.
I also want an official blizzard burning crusade server. Personally I would rather have that than vanilla if I had to choose. You had Kara, gruuls, mag, ssc, tk, hyjal, black temple, zul Aman, and sunwell plateau and they were all really good raids! The community was really tight back then too, man what a great time to play the game!
I only saw hyal gruul and karazan. First time I was into raiding.
Nick d
Burning Crusade is the only xpac I had a full lifetime in. I got in the middle of vanilla (a week or so before Arathi Basin came out) and quit mid-WotLK a week or two after Ulduar came out. Did Illidan and Archimonde and it was great when they added much more diversity than vanilla.
Both informative and fun, I hope you keep these kinds of videos coming. As with most tubers yea we came for wow but we stay for the creator. So getting YOUR stories and YOUR experiences is pretty neat.
Michael Coffey couldn’t of said it better
Mad sounds a lot happier at 1.25 speed.
Lol =)
Druids were definitely the most interesting class in TBC, since Feral suddenly became a viable, working spec.
LOVE your videos! its great going back memory lane. I played wow my entire childhood through adult-life . watching your vids takes me back and puts a smile on my face. Keep up the great work!
You deserve to have way more subscribers. Your videos are always amazing. Good music, good info, good little joke or two. 12/10 and 5 stars
such a nostalgic trip with the music at the beginning
It was the last time Matt Uelmenn worked as a composer for Blizzard, and you can hear the resemblance with Diablo 2 OST (mainly the expansion Lord of Destruction which is itself an homage to Wagner) and how the guy put very memorable leitmotivs in his works :)
Needless to say I love it.
Caliemha so true haha the loading screen for me mostly 😂😂
partially because of these videos I logged on the my wow account a couple day ago and started playing for the first time in 6 years and while I'm disappointed that it's hard to relive my nastalgic memory's because blizzard has changed almost every aspect of the game over the years I'm still happy to be back so thanks for the great content
Well, thanks for watching Sam! If your goal is nostalgia, the new "Classic" servers might interest you. They're Vanilla servers being developed by Blizzard. They're probably quite a ways away though(some people are saying 2019 I think?)
Same here guys
MadSeasonShow classic servers and the new leveling system were allso big reasons I came back
After quitting wow recently you are still the only wow channel I have no intention of ever leaving. The relaxed yet somehow excited way you describe things is fantastic. Keep up the fantastic work
Man your playlist of satisfying and relaxing music is spot on, you've got the asthetic of your videos nailed.
That feel when you were one of the lucky 3 warlock or mage that got to be in the party with the lone elemental shaman and personal mana battery (shadow priest) and they swapped another shaman in your group mid-encounter for double bloodlust. Good fucking times. Tbc raiding was simply divine. I think the fact that most raids in the expansion were present from the start made it feel so special. The whole world was your oyster, if you became good enough and could gather your mightiest allies.
You are def one of my fav youtubers you are very informative without much cussing which is great bc i can watch around my 10yr old son. Thanks 4 being awesome, love the videos.
Again, another video that is AWESOME! Keep them coming Madseason! Always enjoy your videos! Thanks
I can't wait to hear how complicated raid attuning was in bc for the 10th time
Just hearing this intro music gives me shivers and I know this is gonna be a good time watching Mad's video. Keep it up with your soulful content!
Winner of this month's Patreon poll =). Side note: The BFA alpha started so check your emails. I haven't gotten in yet, but you might be one of the lucky few!
1:18 Bless you ! :-)
BFA = Butt Fuck Academy :P
My favourite expansion.This is when i started playing WoW.With the launch of Burning Crusade.Good times.
FINALY ITS HERE! Thanks MadSeason (: Love watching your vids with such a chill voice of yours.
these videos are so /comfy/ the music, visuals and your voice mash so well
I’ve never played wow but I can’t stop watching your videos, so interesting.
as someone that started in BC, this takes me back. great as always.
hey, if you're still looking for time warp ideas, how about professions? all the crafting profs had specializations and, while im not familiar with all of them, there were some cool quests/items. i remember getting that epic hammer trinket on my BS. or mining every ore individually.
anyways, keep up the great work!
I think that could be interesting. I have the blacksmith/engineer specs on the list(hammer/axe/mace for BS, gnome/goblin for eng), but I don't know too much about the ones outside of those. I think leatherworkers and tailors had some? I'd have to look into it. Thanks for the suggestion!
Dude, every time you put in "OOOOOOOF" I lose my shit. Great videos man! Keep it up!!!!
My favourite moment in BC raiding was when I got to tank Firehand in Gruuls lair. As a mage main through vanilla and BC tanking part of a bossfight in a raid? Proposterous!
Sure it wasn't a hard fight but it felt special nonetheless.
rlly remember taht too. even when i was (on a private server,some years later on) a mage tank with t5 gear. i still helped out,cause u really felt like an important part :)
Tanking Illidan as a warlock was awesome too :D
I quit WoW cold turkey 13 years ago when my guild was just starting Black Temple raiding. Your vids bring back a lot of good memories!
TBC was the expansion that finally got me into a hardcore raiding guild, still with them to this day although I do no longer raid hardcore.
its been 13 years since TBC and I have settled down in life and no longer have time to play WoW but TBC will always been the expansion that holds the most nostalgia even over Vanilla WoW. It's probably my favourite expansion to this day due to the social peak of raiding with a very awesome guild. So many good memories and people and it's also sad to remember those that have just come and gone since then :(
Thank you man; as always, is a pleasure to heard you talking about our game.
Day 632, MadSeason finally makes a time warp raid video on my favorite expansion. My life is now complete.
I just recently came across this channel (always wanted a detailed video about Shifting Sands questchain), and oh man, I'm enjoying the vids! Your calm voice helps me relax and get away from anxiety, the quality and informativeness of the videos is top notch too. I've been playing wow since 2008-2009 but missed a lot being a kid at school and not really understanding what's going on - now I feel how the gaps are being closed. Also, your poker-face jokes makes me laugh everytime :D So keep up the great work man, appreciate your efforts and wish you many adequate subs :)
That sneeze was amazing. I’m glad you kept that in!
I love your videos. You have become my favorite wow content creator. Great job and keep up the amazing work
Ah, how I love coming back to some of these older content videos as I look forward to a potential TBC.
To be fair, only Karazhan, SSC, Tempest keep and Hyjal were full raids. Mag and Gruul were more or less quick raids that if you had it down could easily finish it in 30 minutes. SSC and Tkeep required on average 2+ hours to finish, even on farm status.
Oh wow i've been watching every video for ages and didn't realise how much you've grown in subscribers :O , congrats dude i always loved how much effort you put into your content compared to many wow youtubers/streamers :)
My 1st WoW expansion i've played, and most memorable one for sure. Hyjal, Black Temple, Sunwell Plateau NEVER FORGET!
BC will always be my favorite expansion, being attuned was a badge of honor. I didn't think any of the attunements were that difficult, except Black Temple, but since that was released later most everyone was already pretty much attuned, oh and Sunwell, that was one hell of a rep grind, but the lore was so legendary, it all felt important.
*_OOOOOOFFFFF_*
This series is amazing as it is a window into the games past that I never got to experience. I started playing WoW in MoP, mostly due to watching my dad play. Before then I was too young and didn’t really care for games like this. It took me about a year (breaks for school in there plus having to wait to get cata and MoP xpac) to hit max. Once I did so I found out about a mount that I was in love with instantly and was tied to an AotC achieve. The kor’Kron war wolf. So due to that I am in raiding. Now that I have grown and know what it is, I find myself looking to see what all the older more experienced players are talking about.
One video you might do, or series, is the old Druid form, Shaman totem, Warlock pet, Rogue lock pick and poisons, etc. The excellent immersive quests that made you more familiar with your character and gave it a strong base. I loved these and I still miss them. I guess they may be back in Classic, I hope.
Just wanted to say keep up the good work! Your videos are golden!
Thanks for the support, Vuk!
I was in a top 40 raiding guild during BC and that was by far the best raiding expansion. The attunement process sucked off the bat because you were required to do heroic dungeons and you basically had to finish the dungeons under a certain amount of time or lose. Then you had to do the actual raids and complete them in order to progress to the next one. Some of the raids that you got starting off were okay, but not overly memorable. You had two one-boss raids to start with. Gruul's lair was broken (unbeatable) until they patched it. The first multi-boss raid was Serpentshrine cavern and it was pretty hard. Once you beat that you moved onto Tempest Keep and twiddled your thumb until 4 months later the Black Temple came out.
Black Temple was the first dungeon that felt like an actual epic raid in the BC. The other ones were fairly small with only 3-4 bosses. Black Temple was probably one of my top favorite raids. I wasn't a fan of the Battle for Mount Hyjal map.
So the biggest issue really with BC is there was a huge gap between raid releases after the Black Temple came out because it took almost 10 months Sunwell to come out. You had Zul'aman inbetween, but you were basically grinding the Black Temple inbetween that. Once the Sunwell came out we were grinding that for another 7 months until the WOTLK expansion came out. This is really if your guild was able to reach that level of content. Our guild was server first on everything and every other guild was significantly far behind us.
Sunwell had some bosses that were just headslammingly hard like M'uru. Our guild was #6 in the world for killing him.
So whilst BC was the best raiding expansion. It really had the longest gaps inbetween major raids.
1:18 bless you!
Thanks =]
Loved the video and narrative
Underrated channel. 👌🏼
Vanilla was amazing as a whole, but the raiding felt a bit experimental.
It was clear in TBC that Blizzard had really listened to player feedback.
No more insane farming for raid mats, but enough to do to keep people on line and guild social was great.
The raiding pre nerf was fantastic and has never been beaten since. The 5 man heroics prepared raiders to some extent and kept most the idiots out of raiding altogether.
Loved the attunement. It made the expansion an immersive experience where players were really involved in the story line.
The raids were hard in a good way. It was a real achievement to down a new boss.
I miss this expansion more than any other part of WoW, especially all if my friends and guildies. I miss the countless hours on Vent where it was normal for many members to chat all the time they were playing, even outside raid hours.
I would love to have those times again, but time moves on and I realise that won't be possible.
If anyone remembers Geiela on Darkspear and Silvermoon EU it would be awesome if you say hello :)
Please, Blizzard developers, don't forget about the social aspect of the game because that is what made WoW so special.
Small correction, the reason shadow priests were on top on tbc was not the debuff slots. Shadow priests always had great damage but they had mana issues in Vanilla. In TBC they gave them a mana regen dot not only for you but also for your whole party. This made you not only run oom so fast anymore and being able to do do good damage, but it turned you into a living mana battery for your party.
Assirra This is all correct! Shadow priests in Vanillia were always top of dps for 15 seconds then they had no mana, they fixed this in TBC and the party buff was a must have!
Thanks for the info! Did not know about that mana buff...pretty cool!
I started my wow adventure when TBC came out.
What a time to be alive back then, trully one of the best gaming adventures of my life.
Oh man. I can't wait for classic wow. THAT'S WHEN THE REAL GAME BEGINS
I mean people are already complaining about the leveling change and scaling in 7.3.5 LOL I can't imagine how they would react in vanilla wow. (Hopefully blizz won't listen to them)
Baroness94 m lol you’ll play for like 2 weeks yourself and be like, neah. I can’t play like this anymore. Nostalgia will wear off, and then realize why they changed it originally and go back like everyone else.
K. T. There are private servers which are up since a few years and still have queues to get in. Did you stop and think that maybe people love the progression as they want to do it instead of Blizzard forcing every patch like hey this is the baddie this patch kill him for an ilvl upgrade. You can’t even show off the gear because of the shitty xmog system.
Eh, how does transmog stop you showing off current gear?
And then there are those of us that remember vanilla, hated the struggles, hate leveling in general, and like being at level cap because it allows us to do what we want when we want without having to worry about what's going to kill us or interrupt our version of having fun. If you liked Vanilla, more power to you, that's not my kind of fun tho.
I don't like the changes and I wish they'd change it back. I enjoyed WoW levelling for how it was, keep the annoying stuff for the vanilla players. They're getting their stuff soon so let the rest of the players keep the easy stuff. That's how I see it.
The Peak of WoW, at least for me, was the Burning Crusade. Of course I was still in high-school so I had all the time in the world, had my own guild with some RL friends that kept up with the curve and a bunch of dudes I played with for years, good times.
I can't help but pause and laugh every time the "oof" happens
*sneeze* "Bless you."
It took me 10 years, from 2007 until 2017 before Illidan conceded that I was finally 'prepared'.
TBC was "the WoW experience" for me. Eventho the best description for the entire expansion is the word chore. There was just so effin much to do.
I started playing WoW later in vanilla and joined in my mates aq40 guild. I never got to experience the proggress raiding part of it all but my god i was hooked.
Before the bc launch the guild pretty much died so me and my mates desided to create our own guild to start working on the new content blizzard created.
The guild never became a thing but we managed to merge with a bigger guild and so it all began.We nolifed the first few weeks, grinded endless amounts of rep, dungeons and so on.
And when we had our first guys with the kara attunement done it was on.We splitted our "main crew" (first 30ppl to hit 70) to 3 groups and started to run kara .
There we discovered the shitty loot (compared to heroics) and started to go for gruuls and mag instead.
Maggie was the easy one to clear but my effin god did gruul give us some trouble (till the first nerfs) :D
After that i kinda fell for the pvp side of WoW and joined back to the raiding scene for TK and lady vashj.
Our guild was banging their heads on the ssc&tk walls before the (well deserved) nerfs to many of the encounters there.But when they finally did the needed fixes and the fine tuning. Our guild kinda smashed trough everything other than kael&ladyvashj.
At this point i joined back on the pve realm and experienced the two best fights i know in WoW. Kael & Vashj
Great read. I had a similar experience to you and the nostalgia hits hard
The shot of the de buffs on the lich king showed the dk s name as stoke. I m pretty sure he was in a guild called the hungering dawn on argent dawn! I remember that guy!
Mad, as usual your content was excellent..love your videos
that beastmaster hunter macro was the shiznit!
I guess we got lucky in TBC because we were on a new server that was created to handle the population influx of TBC (Shattered Halls). Our guild formed in Outland and all the content was fresh for us. This is why there was no drama about vanilla raiding or gear. We were fresh tourists in Outland. We were pretty well organised and united so we didn't lost focus because of many wipes. We didn;t clear the big raids (SSC, TK, BT) before the nerf however because most people were mature with families and jobs, so raid attendance wasn't so strong in the first 6 months. Even after the first line of nerfs, we still found it pretty tough, especially in TK and BT, but after everyone got on board and learned the boss strategies we sailed through.
I remember that we found BT easier than the other big raids. We struggled the most in TK and MH. Later on we got Farmwell Plateau and it was a whole new punch in the face in raid difficulty. That raid was ridiculously hard and i got burned out pretty fast there. Every week we used to do 10-20 wipes at Brutallus and call it a day.
I took a break from WOW back then because it felt like a dead end routine - do dailies, farm mats, get gold, get consumables, prep for raid day, wipe at Brutallus, repeat. I was actually happier when low gear pple were doing small raids like Kara, Gruul, ZA and other, because i needed a break from the fail fest in Sunwell.
Karazhan was definitely my fav raid of all time. It had such good stories, characters and bosses. Every time someone would start a group for Kara i was the first on board :D!
Ah good times!
Such good memories.
Still remember the time in BC when I had an epic 1v1 with an alliance feral druid in zangarmarsh, I was a pally so we kept smashing into eachother then heal. that fight felt like it lasted forever..good memories.
Ah the memories. I also loved karazan. Another thing to point out is that ranged tanking was a thing as well. In Gruuls lair I had full green stamina gear to tank the mage boss and spell steal his shield.
The timing was quite unforgiving his cast after the shield was 1,5 sec iirc and spell steals CD only just ran out as well.
(Before watching the video) my opinion on what made end-game great in Vanilla, TBC, and Wrath, is that it was done socially through your identity on the server. I was a healer. I knew the good DPS and tanks on my servers. They knew I was a good healer. You knew the other guilds on your server, and which guilds to take into PuGs and which to avoid. You knew the loot ninjas and the drama queens, and you knew the really good players. You knew the players that were jerks, but were also really good and you'd put up with their attitude for a successful dungeon run.
Dungeons were hard. Raids were hard. There was no easy mode, so you had to work to succeed. However, anyone who did a little research had most of the tools to succeed. It wasn't a twitch game. It wasn't how fast can you mash the right button. It was more about who knew their class and their role. Raids relied on you knowing your whole class, not just a DPS rotation. The rotations were simpler, but the strategy and teamwork was harder.
I think the best part about pre-LFG raiding is that socializing wasn't an inconvenience, it was part of the game.
This was my favorite time as well. And i loved karazhan. I remember speeding through it with one prot pally tank 3 healers and the rest dps. Just rushing through it every week
bless you
When raiding and 5 mans were at their best. Some of us enjoyed the difficulty of the raids and the grind to get there. As for 5 mans, Heroic SH on my Prot Pally tank is the most fun I've ever had in WoW.
That sneeze doe
Saved my day just like the heroes saved the world ... like many times
TBC was my jam. it was the best time in wow for me.
Thanks again Mad, this brought back many bittersweet memories. Incidentally there is a second part to the "butthole" comment... "everyone thinks theirs don't stink". enjoy
Watching this before classix TBC... Ahh the memories. We are going home boys :)
I have so many fond memories from TBC but that attunement chart still gives me shellshock.
TBC is when I was at my peak playing and I have only fond memories. My guild was server first KT kill, we spent I want to say at least a month wiping on him regularly, and it was awesome when we finally downed him. As a rogue I got the Signet ring on that kill, which was dope. Arena was a great addition for PvP, and the increased roles for classes like Druids was excellent to have more variety in groups/raids. My only regret is I burnt out while we were doing BT, quit before we downed Illidan and missed the warglaives which dropped for us. As #1 Rogue I was in line to get them. Oh well...
Oh I remember why I didn't do BT. I went back to PvPing because I was in the Army and had to do guard duty in Camp Casey so my schedule drastically changed for a month.
Loving the content man, keep it coming!
Loved this thanks madseason :)
i love these videos and i've been binging them for the past few days, but god damn everytime i hear that "oof" i laugh
Love the DK country background music.
I remember Destruction Warlocks were crazy broken once you got to Tier 5 raiding (SSC, TK and beyond). All you did was apply a curse that increased shadow damage (forgot the name), sacrificed your Succubus for more increased shadow damage, then spammed Shadow Bolt. You topped the DPS charts with no effort whatsoever, and had Life Tap to replenish your mana. They were so broken that mages couldn't get into Sunwell raid groups because of the area-wide INT buff, and their DPS was painfully inferior to warlocks.
With the attunements, don't for there was no lfg. There were times i'd spend an hour just spaming chat to find anybody who would come do shadow labs with me, only to have somebody leave half way through. Then I'd spend another hour flying to shat and looking for a replacement, only to have more leave because it took so long to find that first replacement. I actually liked the long attunement though, it was back when having an epic piece of equipment actually meant something. I'll never forget my first raid though. I was hooked right there.
TBC sure was fun, nice that they had to nerf attunements because most players couldn't kill KT, or Vashj.
TBC had different atmosphere and look raids that i liked very much. It was expansion then i lost virginity
I loved TBC, especially Karazhan. My guild was the only one on server to farm sunwell, and my warrior tank was geared to the teeth, but as soon the raid was over i'd starting looking for a Kara group to join. I did Kara nearly every week from start to finish of the exp.
Love this! My fav time in Wow were TBC
So many good memories.. and so much fun happenend in life during that time :)
I wasn't so happy about TBC in the beginning.
At the end part of Vanilla the guild I was in decided to migrate off the realm I had been since the beginning. I decided to stay.
We were in the middle of Naxx progress (loatheb, 4hman, sapphiron and KT togo). I had to also take a break around this time for 2 weeks.
I had to join another guild after the migrate and that progression reseted to Maexxna and the first bosses of each wing and even had to go kill Cthun again in AQ40.
After TBC pre patch came around that guild broke out and people just waited for TBC.
At the start of TBC I joined a guild that consisted mostly of people that were kinda just left overs of a raiding guild where I joined in the launch of the game.
We started attunements and the first bit felt very bad for me. Obtaining Karazhan Key.. that was the most difficult bit for me. Took a while to get all done and get into Karazhan, there was several guys in the guild who did this already and tried to rush others into doing it so we can go raid Karazhan. But they didn't really hep to finish those 5mans.
Our karazhan raiding eventually didn't work out so well and the guild broke apart.
So I was already giving up with the game pretty much but then I found a guild that consisted of only players from the same country as I.
I joined them, joined T4 raids and started to progress towards revered with the factions to get attuned to all heroi.
Eventually we got realm first Kael'Thas and cleared up to Brutallus in Sunwell before we kinda grew tired with all the raiding. Eventually cleared the Sunwell after the nerfs.
So the end part of the attunements was not that bad. That start was kinda rough.
Also the start of raiding I had huge issues to get myself confortable with the huge changes in Marksman Hunter.. which I ditched in SSC because it was really lacking behind in DPS compared to BM. I hated BM for the simplicity, but luckily in Black Temple and beyond I could switch to Survival wich had better rotation.
Awesome. I loved TBC, lots of good memories there. I played on a private server a lot too at that time and met a ton of great people.
Believe me or not, i sneezed at the same time as you did. Great video thought, please keep them coming :)
You forgot Zul'Aman btw (10 man raid). It was pretty tough at the time, so it's not surprising not many people got the original mount. I remember 2-healing it to make the mount timer - usually most raids 3-healed because the damage was crazy.
Also, Karazhan was initially extremely difficult until they nerfed it early on. Definitely a good time for hard core raiding.
Another cool thing about BC raiding was the hybrid classes like pally and druid finally got some limelight. Not only -could- they tank/heal/DPS, but they were -very- good at all three for the most part. I miss armor capped behr tanks lol
Didn’t know you were off twitter but I left my little comment there! Anyways, thanks for the great content man!
Donkey Kong water level music ftw
The best time in WoW. And the raids were amazing. Miss it.
Back then when raids and dungeons were actually challenging.
Hyjal was after Black Temple and before the one in the isle at the north of the eastern kingdoms.
Hyjal was before Black Temple, you had to kill the first boss in Hyjal to get attuned to BT.
I for one completely enjoyed the attunement process of TBC. It made a lot more sense to gradually go through content to unlock the next. IMO, raids should always have been added on top of each other like this, regardless of expansions. All end-game content from vanilla would still be relevant and explored. It's sad that most raids are forgotten now.
at the mid/end of BC is when I stopped playing warlock as main and started with paladin tank, same character I'm playing today, but now as retri.
We were not a top tier guild, but we cleared every raid (-sunwell) before they got nerfed
perfect video for sitting at the airport bored af
I get the impression that the reason BC was such a good expansion in terms of the sheer amount of content... was that most of the ideas for that content had been around since vanilla, and much of it had been intended for vanilla. Bit of a shame that Blizzard didn't go down this more integrated route - instead of expansions, actually expanding the core game. I mean history has now shown us that this is actually a solid way of keeping subscribers - Eve's still going, just as old as WoW, despite always having a tiny player count by comparison. Warframe has gone from wealth to wealth using not only a free to play model, but a free expansion model.