I hate that narrative that Kobe deserved the MVP in 2006. Dirk did. He avg 26.6, 9 and 3 in 48/40/90 while being the leader in PER, WS, OWS, WS/48 and 1st seed in the west with 60 wins. I still dont understand how his name never comes up when this subject is discussed. That's so beyond me
@@benjiequezada WRONG, AMARE, MATRIX AND JOE BECAME GREAT EVEN PRIOR NASH. JUST BECAUSE JOE JOHNSON GOT HIS EYE SEASON ENDING IT DOESNT MEAN NASH WAS ONLY REASON. TEAM HAD 4 ALLSTARS THAT DEVELOPED PRIOR DALLS TRADE. NASH JUST JUMPED INTO SUPERTEAM.
@@PIP...33ur trollint aren't you? How's that Suns team a superteam my god, they won like 29 games the year prior to Nash arrival and although D'Antoni's sistem was good thats not excuse to call Nash a sistem player because he was the sistem, again he was the main reason of that 30 game improvement, the 2006 MVP has a case that he should've not won the award, but not for 2005
@@GuillermoGonzalez-no5lg U MUST BE BLIND. SHAWN MARION WAS ALLSTAR PRIOR NASH, AMARE WAS ON USA DREAM TEAM. JOE JOHNSON RISING STAR. NASH WAS IN DALLAS WHEN THEY ACHIEVED THAT.
Embiid dominated The regular season the MVP is named the Regular Season MVP so you should only count the Regular Season not the playoffs but I guess the playoffs is a test if he really deserved it
Steve Nash in 2005 was one of the most efficient players in NBA history. He was putting up numbers that were a cross between Bird and Magic while leading the Suns to the best record in the league. 06 I understand, but he absolutely deserved it in 2005.
@@samantharay6098 Magic career averages: 19.5 PPG, 11.2 APG Nash 2005 averages: 15.5 PPG, 11.5 APG Bird career FG%, 3PT%, FT%: 49.6%, 37.6%, 88.6% Nash 2005 FG%, 3PT%, FT%: 50.2%, 43.1%, 88.7% The Suns also had 62 wins, the most in the NBA and had the #1 offensive rating in the NBA. 🤷🏻♂️
@@samantharay6098 you can’t show me a more efficient player on a better team in 2005. Nash had a remarkable season, you just don’t understand stats beyond PPG.
Duncan's 03 MVP should be WAY higher on this list, not only was he the best players on the team, he was almost single handedly carrying the team on his back, parker was the number 2 on that team averaging just 13 ppg, not only that but Duncan carried the spurs to a ring that year, having Westbrook and Embiid higher on the list is a complete disrespect towards the 03 carryjob that TD made.
Tony was so inconsistent they had to put Speedy in the game during crucial moments. Stephen Jackson was arguably the 2nd best player on that 2003 team. But that's saying a lot; Duncan haters make it out like he had a superteam, when it was anything but. SJax has been a misfit for most of his career. 2003 is easily Duncan's most disrespected year. Nobody else could have carried that team to 60 wins and a Finals win column. It was really such a godlike performance looking back on it now. Embiid can't hold a candle to Duncan.
DUNCAN 2003 HAD GINOBILI ADMIRAL TOP 3 CENTER IN NBA AND PARKER PLUS GREAT DEEP BENCH. DUNCAN 2004 PROVED ON OLTYMPICS THAT MANU GINOBILI WAS BEST SPUR PLAYER SINCE 2002. AFTER LOSING GOLD 2004 FIRST TIME IN USA HISTORY, I KNOW DUNCAN IS NOT MVP. HAVING ADMIRAL AND MANU 2003 MAKES DUNCAN 1 OF WORST MVPS.
@@j-rey- Yeah Duncan had Manu Ginobili who just beat all alone 2002 USA Dream Team, and Admiral Robinson GOAT center, despite he was older his presence on the floor makes Duncan job 500x more easier because Jason Kidd 2003 in finals had Todd MacCulloch. U see why Duncan is not MVP because David Robinson even at now age 60 is billion times better than Todd Macculloch.
@@peepeepoopoo9453at that point n time it was deserved . Nowadays players more skilled so more players are doing it . Back then only like 2-3 players did it .
the disrespect of Nash makes me wonder, were you following the NBA closely those years, or just retroactively looking at stats? If you were watching, then we fundamentally just have a different preference for what we value in basketball palyers. Nash' impact went far beyond the stat sheet. It was Jokic-esque but at the point guard position. Kobe was a phenomenal individual talent, and his numbers were insane, but he didn't have the same impact on winning games and elevating his teams.
Nash is one of the most underrated players in history. His counting stats just don’t wow, but impact metrics like his 2005-2009 as one of the best offensive 5 year peaks on record.😊 also an amazingly fun player to watch
@@rayzen7414 it’s an invidious award based on a lot of things. My criteria is winrate on the games you played, best player on best team, and best player. Kobe only had 1 of the 3 MAYBE imo Bron was better
Steve Nash's biggest mistake was not shooting the ball more. 50/40/90 guys multiple seasons but never averaged more than 18pts. Especially considering how up-tempo those Suns teams were with the "7 Seconds or Less" D'antoni offense. Dude could have won a chip if he knew to shoot 10+ 3's a game.
@@zythebballguy That's the volume being taken by top shooters today. Steve could shoot off the catch or dribble. He shot 50/40/90 multiple times. He absolutely should have been taking 10 3's a game.
Gotta be honest, I don’t have Embiid’s MVP higher than 20. Perkins basically won the MVP for him by making that “if you don’t vote for him, you’re racist” comment. Because before that comment, it was a battle between Giannis and Jokic, who both had better stats in every category except for scoring AND both got their teams to the #1 seed.
Well I do think Perkins was a factor in it all by playing the race card, it was really always between Jokic and Embiid. Giannis didn’t come into the picture until later on in the season. Also there were plenty of other narratives that led to Embiid winning to just say that it was solely on KP and his nonsense. 1. “Embiid is an elite defender, he plays both ends so well!” 2. “Do we really wanna give 3 MVPs to a guy with no rings??” 3. “Look at Embiids PPG numbers!!” (Because there isn’t more to basketball than PPG OBVIOUSLY)
I really disagree on Nash's 2 MVPs being the worst. I am a Spurs fan and Steve Nash was really lighting up the NBA those 2 years. Kobe's 35ppg came on a very bad team with him shooting a ton on 45%. The 1st MVP he was againstnShaqbwho was avergaing 22ppg 10rpg and Shaq wasn't the best player on his team.
Calling embid the best scorer in the game is crazy half of his points are free throws and in the playoffs his number are half of what he puts in the regular season
Half of his points aren't free throws, you lose all credibility with such a lazy take... 33 ppg and 10 ftm per game, maybe you didn't finish school but that isn't close to half...
so you knock iverson for being "the only person who can score" and say his stats are inflated... and then knock him for having "bad efficiency" while admitting hes the only person who could score..... broo whaaaa
Has no idea of the context of the era and how different ball was. Place was grindingly slow, Nash helped change a lot of that and Duncan was also disrespected. When ppg is less then 90 and you can account for 30 of those or 25 with elite defense, you’re a major difference maker.
That Steph's Unanimous MVP is a delight to watch. I remember watching it that time and I can't believe that he is shooting this well. All of the teams will impose a defensive scheme that would not affect him. Amazing times
Something most people don't know is that Nash is one of the most likable NBA players and the best teammate anyone could ask for. He helped his team win, not only by putting up amazing stats, but by being consistently kind and encouraging to every member of his team. This is an intangible aspect of the game that most people overlook.
@@facelessandnameless if u didn’t watch basketball until the middle of this years playoffs then ofc you’ll believe that, u actually don’t know ball if u believe the media was the reason embiid won over jokic 💀
Nash I would say definitely deserved the MVP both years. He was the engine that made the Suns a winner right away. In 2006 he didn't have Amar'e for the whole season. Then you put Rose on here at that low of a ranking lol. I'm mad lol because I'm a huge Rose fan but I respect your objectivity and showing no favoritism. Ranking MVPs is very hard.
I understand the praise for nash but the way that I looked at it was that he arguably shouldn’t have got those. Ranking all the MVPs is hard because theirs so many different factors that go into it and it’s not just stats. I didn’t love putting drose so low but objectively I had to compared to the rest
Look at the stats again for both years and compare them again you're talking about points but you aren't looking at fg% ft% and 3pt% nash didn't win because he shot a lot and scored a lot he won it because he had crazy high assists and probably the best combination of shooting percentages seen ever until steph curry came along
The issue about Embiid's MVP is that he cried for it and voter's fatigue wouldn't let them make Jokic get his third one. Everybody knew Embiid didn't deserve it as much as Jokic.
2006 Nash honestly did deserve. Every stat besides points was better. He was more efficient then Kobe and helped his team win by making the right plays rather then scoring majority of his teams points. Ppg doesn’t show everything whenever it comes to success and that’s why Nash won that MVP
Take the whole video down. What you did to Nash, how high you valued Lebron and Kobe's scoring is a joke. Harden should have won MVP at least 3 times if you paid attention and properly compared and contrasted every MVP each season. You're a simpleton.
Only take I disagree with is Giannis’s second MVP, him only playing 63 due to Covid lockdown shouldn’t be factored in all to much since there in my mind is no doubt that he would have also performed at the same level through all 82 reg season games. Otherwise though really great video and good list
Yes. I think Giannis 2nd MVP was top 1 here, crazy stats in just 30mpg is insane and take note it is more incredible before the bubble slump the bucks had.
@@diopshonen r u stupid or something? He was playing with scrubs that’s the only reason his numbers were so inflated he got the ball every possession plus the voting was so cut between him James harden and kawhi how on earth do u see this as a top 5 performance?! We’re u even watching nba in 2017?!
Kobe got his MVP for three main reasons: this version of Kobe is the closest to MJ in terms of understanding the game, he learned how to trust his teammates and something that people sometimes forgets about..... the lakers were the best team of the season, period. We forget that this award usually goes to the best player of the best team (or one of the best teams of the season). I agree though, Kobe deserve the 2006 MVP (81 points game but still the 8th seed in the west).
this list was clearly made by someone who just read a stat sheet and took no context from it. AI subpar defense? dismissing nash's impact on teammates and just focusing on personal stats? there was a dropoff for duncan from 02 to 03? i'm pretty convinced he just started watching basketball last year.
Basketball is a two way game an in 2012/2013 season lebron was elite offensively an elite defensively he was 1 vote away from being the first unanimous MVP before steph too
That one voter who voted for Melo was so daft. I agree with this being the best MVP season since 2000 and its one of the three top seasons of all time in my opinion too. Literally the peak of the best or at minimum the second best player of all time.
@@aaanawalehhe arguably should have been DPOY, this was his peak efficiency wise and defensively. He was good on ball and *unreal* offball. I argue Lebron at his peak might be the best offball defender ever because of his insane speed, iq to read lanes and opponents and size. There was some article ages ago describing miamis defense during lebrons tenure and how good it was, and a large part of why it was so difficult to replicate was because of how unique Lebron was and how integral he was to it.
The Nash disrespect is crazy. Kobe didn’t even come top 3 yet he deserved it so badly because what he scored the most? Where is Beal’s MVP for being the league leading scorer? Meanwhile Nash joined a team and only Nash then that team won 30 more games
@@brysonmcgrew6253 You say he can’t play defense but neither could Jokic, Russ, Harden, or Lebron in the last 8 years of his career. Almost as if when you’re the best offensive player in the league you don’t need defense to win the MVP. The sole addition to Steve Nash to the Suns added 30 wins, there is no other player in history to do that. Not Shaq when he went to LA, not Lebron when he went back home to Cleveland, not Mike when he got drafted
@@ubereats3047 nash at no point in 18 whatever years was ever any good on defense is the difference at least the guys you mentioned other than harden have showed some resemblance of defense in their careers
@@brysonmcgrew6253 Except I’m talking about their peaks. Russ came in as a defender but his MVP year he didn’t play defense. Lebron when he got to Cleveland the second time didn’t play defense. Jokic in his MVP seasons was barely even average on defense. Let’s stop lying on these players’ names for you to push an agenda
@@zoomdoof6107cause it's the MVP of the regular season stupid, playoffs and championships Dont matter when discussing the MVP just Ur regular season impact
Perkins logic on mvp voting (aside from the racism) 'Jokic has never made it to the finals, let give it to a guy who has never made the conference finals.'
D rose more than deserved that mvp that year I don’t want to hear it. The contribution to his team was immense. Put Lebron out of Miami and Miami would still be a contender. Can’t say the same about the bulls without Rose
@@mitoski7427 nah he teamed up with other MVP candidates so he lost his valuableness just like KD. Dwight had a worst team and was more valuable that year
I’m with the other comments here, It’s a pretty casual opinion to think Kobe should have won the award in 2006. Kobe’s team was the seventh seed, and at this point in the nba, seeding was a very critical role in mvp voting. Dirk and Lebron were more realistically “robbed” of the award, but I actually think Nash deserved it if we look at the disparity in first place votes. The race wasn’t close.
I don't understand why Nash was that low when he literally was the most valuable player. Without him the Suns are the bottom seed fighting for the number 1 pick. Stats don't show how impactful he was imo. His first one was absolutely deserved but you can argue his second one. Edit: To further argue the point, you had KG high for wins but not Nash? It's just hypocritical.
Embiid had some good numbers, but the entire reason he won was “Jokic needs to go further in the playoffs if he wants another mvp”. It’s funny how now people will say “it’s a regular season award”. Jokic and Giannis were much more impactful and their teams had better records.
wouldn't be mad at all if Giannis had won it. jok, giannis, curry, KD, book, AD, JT, luka, kawhi, dame, shai, and jimmy are all players I would take over embiid. also nice pfp i havent seen zim in forever LOL
Well Embiid team technically had more wins in a stronger conference. I leaned towards Jokic but at the end of the day they were pretty much equally deserving of the award. You can split hairs, but you can only blame the Nuggets for Jokic not winning MVP. They slowed down from their 60+ win pace in the 2nd half of the season and started to coast going into the playoffs.
Steve Nash was the driver of the highest scoring offense in the league in 2006 that was 2nd in the West, Kobe had a 42 and 40 record and barely made the playoffs. Thats not an MVP in 2006 stop it
Stats aren't everything, dude. Nash impacts winning. In '04-'05 the Suns started out 31-4. Then Nash went out for 6 games with an injury and the team lost all 6. He comes back, and they return to form. I don't know how you define valuable. Watch a game.
Points then are different than points now in the sense that a 30pt game back in 2000 is a lot harder than a 30pt game nowadays, as evidenced by the scoring explosion we’ve seen in recent years. Even players who aren’t in the highest tier in the NBA can put up 25-30pts. Stretch that out to a year, and we can easily say that it can be easier to average 30pts for a season as well. Could be because of how the rules are called-that refs are more willing to call ticky tack fouls, preventing players to heavily play defense. Add the fact that players are allowed to be more “creative” with their dribbling. Were moves that would’ve been called a travel then are now lost in the mix of infinite gather steps. So consider points in particular in assessing the MVP years of these players doesn’t paint the most accurate picture.
Thank you! There’s not enough people who seem to understand this. What he should have did is compare the ppg while adjusting for pace and/or comparing it to the league average for each particular year.
I’m not a Westbrook fan but something about his mvp season was different. Idc if it was stat padded, he was just an animal. I get that they were a 6 seed but he was so damn good
How is A.I so low …😂 that’s what makes it so great he did it by himself and went to finals look at the team horrible that’s the last time the Sixers ever made it far …great list and video regardless though love the time in effort !! You put in this
Westbrook gotta be higher. I think averaging a triple double and only having steven adams (who isn’t a scorer) while leading a team to the playoffs in tough west deserves to be at least borderline top 10
For me LeBron's dpoy is the one of the biggest snub. The first unanimous mvp being Steph is another snub. Steph definitely deserved but before steph it was deserved by other players (like Shaq, KG, 2013 LeBron) but I guess they didn't want it to be won by someone before. I kindly disagree about Russ tho.
I agree with Steph and his unanimous MVP. But ultimately the MVP is such a narrative award and Steph had a grip on the world in a way few people have ever managed to do. Personally I think it’s ridiculous that Lebron didn’t get a single vote because I thought it was relatively close between the two.
@@gokugtmain2388It’s wasn’t close at all that season nobody was picking Lebron over Steph that year as far as the regular season went to say otherwise is just revisionist history
I’ve never understood the low ranking of Kobe’s MVP. Not saying it’s the best ever, but he led the league in points, was second in PPG, had the best record in the West, and was pretty efficient (46/36/84 splits). I’d put it a few spots higher.
@@logan1751 Debatable imo. I think the only reason people debate that is because CP’s team was overall as good as Kobe’s but I don’t necessarily believe that automatically means you were more valuable. Kobe at that point was not only the best player on the best team, but still the best player in the game and had a good season. So I don’t think it’s crazy to say Kobe deserved that.
2013 Lebron over 2016 Curry ez. But since the MVP counts only the regular season, I have no complaints over this since this is “Unanimous” and have a 73-9 record. The only difference was Bron won a championship in 2013 while Curry got defeated by Bron on the Greatest NBA Finals of All Time (2016 Finals).
It’s a regular season award and guys like klay and draymond aren’t on the level of dwade or Bosch Steph won with a home grown roster. Even if he didn’t win it all that year.
Dude if regular season is what matters for MVP, didn't Rose sweep LeBron by winning all 3 regular season games in Rose's MVP season and they were the 1st seed.
@@TellHerNothing Spacing isn't nearly as important back in 2000s as now. That team had 4 players averaging over double digits including Allen Iverson. That is more then Lakers did that season. That is more that the raptors who they faced in the playoffs that season. One less player compared to the Bucks and Pacers who they faced in the playoffs. The Allen Iverson propaganda needs to come to an end.
@@maelguiraud3568 Dikembe might have only played 26 games that season, but doesn't the fact that he was on that team in the playoffs. That philly team had 4 players average double digit points that season more than the Lakers.
2:10 Nash earned this award he avg 15.5 points which isn't a lot for an MVP but he avg 11.5 ast so if he only assisted on 2 pointers that would have meant that steve nash generated 34.5 points compared to Shaq's generating only 27.5 points
In an era where 90 points a game was the norm. So he’s most likely generating nearly half the offense if some of those are 3s. Not to mention assists that don’t show up because amare gets fouled or something.
Derrick Rose deserved his MVP. The reason he isn't a legend or a top 25 player it's because his career was derailed with injuries. If that didn't happen, he probably would be higher on the list. He deserved it over LeBron, who deserved it too, tbh. But Derrick Rose carried the Bulls to a better record than the stacked Heat team, plus the Bulls were missing other important players for a major part of the year, while Bron had Bosh and Wade and more. He went to 5 or 6 against that Heat team in the ECF. As one of his biggest fanboys, I can agree that he isn't one of the best MVPs of the 2000's but he is not one of the worst, or the worst or a bad MVP.
YOU FORGET HARDEN
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I was gonna say, I was searching for this comment
He's unranked
But dude, 99 Harden isnt eligible in the 2000 rank.
@@alphajorge4642 but dude,i'm talking about James Harden
@@alphajorge4642wdym harden was 2018 MVP
I hate that narrative that Kobe deserved the MVP in 2006. Dirk did. He avg 26.6, 9 and 3 in 48/40/90 while being the leader in PER, WS, OWS, WS/48 and 1st seed in the west with 60 wins. I still dont understand how his name never comes up when this subject is discussed. That's so beyond me
The rape allegations made the media voters deny him from winning more than 1
Because Dirk doesn’t have a cancerous fanbase. Lebron and Dirk literally would’ve won even if Nash didnt
kobe dickriders sum else man
nowitzki had superteam, kobe played alone.
@@ubereats3047 WE SAW DIRK WITH MVP, GOT SCHOOLED BY BARON DAVIS 8T SEED.
Dude Nash took the Suns from lottery team to a 1st seed instant contender.... off insane efficency and led league in assists
Yeah, he was the lone addition to a team that won like 30+ more games than the year before. That's insanely valuable.
@@benjiequezada WRONG, AMARE, MATRIX AND JOE BECAME GREAT EVEN PRIOR NASH. JUST BECAUSE JOE JOHNSON GOT HIS EYE SEASON ENDING IT DOESNT MEAN NASH WAS ONLY REASON. TEAM HAD 4 ALLSTARS THAT DEVELOPED PRIOR DALLS TRADE. NASH JUST JUMPED INTO SUPERTEAM.
@@PIP...33ur trollint aren't you? How's that Suns team a superteam my god, they won like 29 games the year prior to Nash arrival and although D'Antoni's sistem was good thats not excuse to call Nash a sistem player because he was the sistem, again he was the main reason of that 30 game improvement, the 2006 MVP has a case that he should've not won the award, but not for 2005
FR the only thing this guy looked at was ppg. Yet Nash’s efficiency was better and he carried his team.
@@GuillermoGonzalez-no5lg U MUST BE BLIND. SHAWN MARION WAS ALLSTAR PRIOR NASH, AMARE WAS ON USA DREAM TEAM. JOE JOHNSON RISING STAR. NASH WAS IN DALLAS WHEN THEY ACHIEVED THAT.
Embiid only won this year’s MVP because Kendrick Perkin said it was racist to vote for Nikola Jokic, the white guy
not true at all embiid was a beast and clearly the best player last season jokic was up there though alongside giannis
Embiid dominated The regular season the MVP is named the Regular Season MVP so you should only count the Regular Season not the playoffs but I guess the playoffs is a test if he really deserved it
@@psychopathgod4680Exactly what I'm saying about 2009 MVP.. DWade was the guy but Bron fans be like "but Bron carried cavs in the playoffs." 🤷♂️
@@skalawitzand then they got on the same team and dwade won zero MVP still😂
@@Mptappin12so?
Steve Nash in 2005 was one of the most efficient players in NBA history. He was putting up numbers that were a cross between Bird and Magic while leading the Suns to the best record in the league.
06 I understand, but he absolutely deserved it in 2005.
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Sorry but no. "Cross between Bird and Magic" puhleez, absolutely one of the weakest "MVPs" in NBA history, and I like Steve Nash
@@JaKingScomez he was the best player on the #1 team in the league with one of the only 50/40/90 seasons of all time. 🤷🏻♂️
@@samantharay6098
Magic career averages:
19.5 PPG, 11.2 APG
Nash 2005 averages:
15.5 PPG, 11.5 APG
Bird career FG%, 3PT%, FT%:
49.6%, 37.6%, 88.6%
Nash 2005 FG%, 3PT%, FT%:
50.2%, 43.1%, 88.7%
The Suns also had 62 wins, the most in the NBA and had the #1 offensive rating in the NBA.
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@@samantharay6098 you can’t show me a more efficient player on a better team in 2005. Nash had a remarkable season, you just don’t understand stats beyond PPG.
I was shook I thought Harden was gonna be no.1
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lmaoooooo same I was like wait WTFFFFFF NOT HARDEN NOOOOOOO
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Duncan's 03 MVP should be WAY higher on this list, not only was he the best players on the team, he was almost single handedly carrying the team on his back, parker was the number 2 on that team averaging just 13 ppg, not only that but Duncan carried the spurs to a ring that year, having Westbrook and Embiid higher on the list is a complete disrespect towards the 03 carryjob that TD made.
Tony was so inconsistent they had to put Speedy in the game during crucial moments. Stephen Jackson was arguably the 2nd best player on that 2003 team. But that's saying a lot; Duncan haters make it out like he had a superteam, when it was anything but. SJax has been a misfit for most of his career.
2003 is easily Duncan's most disrespected year. Nobody else could have carried that team to 60 wins and a Finals win column. It was really such a godlike performance looking back on it now. Embiid can't hold a candle to Duncan.
@@aedaed3605agreed. What a shitty take
Yeah, I was so shocked that I figured it wasn't even worth arguing. I'm glad I'm not alone, though.
DUNCAN 2003 HAD GINOBILI ADMIRAL TOP 3 CENTER IN NBA AND PARKER PLUS GREAT DEEP BENCH. DUNCAN 2004 PROVED ON OLTYMPICS THAT MANU GINOBILI WAS BEST SPUR PLAYER SINCE 2002. AFTER LOSING GOLD 2004 FIRST TIME IN USA HISTORY, I KNOW DUNCAN IS NOT MVP. HAVING ADMIRAL AND MANU 2003 MAKES DUNCAN 1 OF WORST MVPS.
@@j-rey- Yeah Duncan had Manu Ginobili who just beat all alone 2002 USA Dream Team, and Admiral Robinson GOAT center, despite he was older his presence on the floor makes Duncan job 500x more easier because Jason Kidd 2003 in finals had Todd MacCulloch. U see why Duncan is not MVP because David Robinson even at now age 60 is billion times better than Todd Macculloch.
bro how do you forget a whole mvp
Hello Jimmy Bricks
He didn't even rank Embiid, which was the whole point of the video right? Clown asf
nah he ranked embiid. dude forgot harden@@letmesleepinpeace7052
Steve Nash had a 50-40-90 season....HE MOST DEF DESERVED
50-40-90 is impressive but doesn’t mean that its definitely deserved
@@peepeepoopoo9453at that point n time it was deserved . Nowadays players more skilled so more players are doing it . Back then only like 2-3 players did it .
on like 15 ppg
the disrespect of Nash makes me wonder, were you following the NBA closely those years, or just retroactively looking at stats?
If you were watching, then we fundamentally just have a different preference for what we value in basketball palyers.
Nash' impact went far beyond the stat sheet. It was Jokic-esque but at the point guard position.
Kobe was a phenomenal individual talent, and his numbers were insane, but he didn't have the same impact on winning games and elevating his teams.
Probably not old enough and just looking at stats. Sounds like a kid
Nash is one of the most underrated players in history. His counting stats just don’t wow, but impact metrics like his 2005-2009 as one of the best offensive 5 year peaks on record.😊 also an amazingly fun player to watch
Kobe averaged better stats but it's not a best player award it's a most valuable player award Nash led his team to an amazing record kobe didn't
Plus Dirk or Lebron would have get it instead of Kobe anyway
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Yes. It's an individual award, so I think we should look at the individual stats and records not team records.
@@rayzen7414 it’s an invidious award based on a lot of things. My criteria is winrate on the games you played, best player on best team, and best player. Kobe only had 1 of the 3 MAYBE imo Bron was better
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There are no accidents
He did average 38 ppg though...
@@averagecoasterenjoyerwhere did u get this he averaged 36
@@SusPastorFoundBrutallyMurdered okay I must've remember a different number in my head but same idea
@@SusPastorFoundBrutallyMurderedBro he was off by 2 points, stop acting like he was off by 50
Steve Nash's biggest mistake was not shooting the ball more. 50/40/90 guys multiple seasons but never averaged more than 18pts. Especially considering how up-tempo those Suns teams were with the "7 Seconds or Less" D'antoni offense. Dude could have won a chip if he knew to shoot 10+ 3's a game.
10 plus 3s a game is ridiculous. 5 is a lot but crazy for back then
Dude could have won a chip he knew how to defend
Nash could have easily averaged 25 and 10 if he wanted to. I'm not sure it would have resulted in more wins though.
@@zythebballguy That's the volume being taken by top shooters today. Steve could shoot off the catch or dribble. He shot 50/40/90 multiple times. He absolutely should have been taking 10 3's a game.
Gotta be honest, I don’t have Embiid’s MVP higher than 20. Perkins basically won the MVP for him by making that “if you don’t vote for him, you’re racist” comment. Because before that comment, it was a battle between Giannis and Jokic, who both had better stats in every category except for scoring AND both got their teams to the #1 seed.
facts
Just say it openly.
US hates Europeans conquering NBA.
Embiid in no way deserved this more than Nikola nor Giannis.
@@tomassadil324Embiid is a French citizen
@@FrxstyProdzgaining citizenship one year ago vs being born and raised there are different things
Well I do think Perkins was a factor in it all by playing the race card, it was really always between Jokic and Embiid. Giannis didn’t come into the picture until later on in the season. Also there were plenty of other narratives that led to Embiid winning to just say that it was solely on KP and his nonsense.
1. “Embiid is an elite defender, he plays both ends so well!”
2. “Do we really wanna give 3 MVPs to a guy with no rings??”
3. “Look at Embiids PPG numbers!!” (Because there isn’t more to basketball than PPG OBVIOUSLY)
Rose led the Bulls to 62 wins averaging 25/7/4 while playing 81 games. Lebron did not deserve it over him 😂
was looking for this comment to upvote it. rose defo deserves more credit
I really disagree on Nash's 2 MVPs being the worst.
I am a Spurs fan and Steve Nash was really lighting up the NBA those 2 years.
Kobe's 35ppg came on a very bad team with him shooting a ton on 45%.
The 1st MVP he was againstnShaqbwho was avergaing 22ppg 10rpg and Shaq wasn't the best player on his team.
Same. I remember thinking Nash was unstoppable. To be honest if he shot more he might have gotten the best of the Spurs.
Without Shaq Miami wins what 45 games. Why didn't Miami win 50 games without Shaq or LeBron. Nobody cared about Miami for Shaq got there
What mvps is he better then? D rose is the only person I can see being below Nash
Calling embid the best scorer in the game is crazy half of his points are free throws and in the playoffs his number are half of what he puts in the regular season
It’s a regular season award 😂😂
Half of his points aren't free throws, you lose all credibility with such a lazy take... 33 ppg and 10 ftm per game, maybe you didn't finish school but that isn't close to half...
@@thogro99that still alot means that without ft he averag 23 a game
@@lucaslouis4151 You know damn well that's not how it works, it should be, but it isn't
@@peepeepoopoo9453 funny, jokic averages 19.5 ppg without his free throws
DPOY and MVP in the same season is insane
If Jokić was MVP this year(which he deserved) it would arguebly be top3 MVP seasons in 21st century... 25-14-10 on unheared efficency is just nuts
Not as good as my mycareer mvp season (no duh though)
Die you mean 24 12 9
Not rly. That's kinda recency bias. I would put him 10-15.
Ennius deserved it
i honestly would put jokic 2nd mvp top 5. like i get defence but his offence was ridiculous
Bruh you already lost me by saying Nash, rose, and Iverson didn’t deserve the MVPS. Trash analysis
All true casual
so you knock iverson for being "the only person who can score" and say his stats are inflated... and then knock him for having "bad efficiency" while admitting hes the only person who could score..... broo whaaaa
Tell us you didn't watch Nash or AI in their primes without telling us you didn't watch 2000s basketball
Has no idea of the context of the era and how different ball was. Place was grindingly slow, Nash helped change a lot of that and Duncan was also disrespected. When ppg is less then 90 and you can account for 30 of those or 25 with elite defense, you’re a major difference maker.
That Steph's Unanimous MVP is a delight to watch. I remember watching it that time and I can't believe that he is shooting this well. All of the teams will impose a defensive scheme that would not affect him. Amazing times
Dude got some perkins' DNA on him
Something most people don't know is that Nash is one of the most likable NBA players and the best teammate anyone could ask for. He helped his team win, not only by putting up amazing stats, but by being consistently kind and encouraging to every member of his team. This is an intangible aspect of the game that most people overlook.
Prove it and show me the stats
@@HighPriestRayPiste It's an intangible, so of course there are no stats for it.
Yeahs that’s my point😭
8th seed and rape allegations are why Kobe wasn’t the mvp. You can aloe the argument that Shaq or Duncan should’ve gotten it but not for Kobe.
7th seed*
That team was a lottery team at best without Kobe. The suns probably don’t make the playoffs without Nash either though tbf
Embiid didn't stop Jokic from getting the award, the media did.
Very true.
Jokic got the last laugh though. FMVP, and 1x champ.
voters fatigue did*
@@user-sd2gv8vz8fNo, it was the media.
@@facelessandnameless if u didn’t watch basketball until the middle of this years playoffs then ofc you’ll believe that, u actually don’t know ball if u believe the media was the reason embiid won over jokic 💀
Nash I would say definitely deserved the MVP both years. He was the engine that made the Suns a winner right away. In 2006 he didn't have Amar'e for the whole season. Then you put Rose on here at that low of a ranking lol. I'm mad lol because I'm a huge Rose fan but I respect your objectivity and showing no favoritism. Ranking MVPs is very hard.
I understand the praise for nash but the way that I looked at it was that he arguably shouldn’t have got those. Ranking all the MVPs is hard because theirs so many different factors that go into it and it’s not just stats. I didn’t love putting drose so low but objectively I had to compared to the rest
Look at the stats again for both years and compare them again you're talking about points but you aren't looking at fg% ft% and 3pt% nash didn't win because he shot a lot and scored a lot he won it because he had crazy high assists and probably the best combination of shooting percentages seen ever until steph curry came along
@@nextmanupsports you did a phenomenal job on this video. And that's the most important thing.
@@nextmanupsports you sadly missed the fact that Nash had a 50 40 90 season in 2000 which is really rare tbh
@@nextmanupsports
Nah, to say that Kobe deserved it more only because of ppg is crazy 😂. Nash was by definition, the Most Valuable Player.
Curry 15 over Westbrook 17 does not make sense.
exactly. Westbrook is top 10 imo. This guy is definitely biased
LOL
The issue about Embiid's MVP is that he cried for it and voter's fatigue wouldn't let them make Jokic get his third one. Everybody knew Embiid didn't deserve it as much as Jokic.
Cope
2006 Nash honestly did deserve. Every stat besides points was better. He was more efficient then Kobe and helped his team win by making the right plays rather then scoring majority of his teams points. Ppg doesn’t show everything whenever it comes to success and that’s why Nash won that MVP
I could make the same argument because Kobe’s teammates literally couldn’t be elevated since they were so trash.
When you started talking bout points rebounds and assists and "defensive stats" I knew the video will do anything to evade ball knowledge
Somehow I forgot to include Harden in this, I’m not sure how but I do realize he’s not on here
Take the whole video down. What you did to Nash, how high you valued Lebron and Kobe's scoring is a joke. Harden should have won MVP at least 3 times if you paid attention and properly compared and contrasted every MVP each season. You're a simpleton.
So where do you rank him? 🤔
embiid waay too high
Only take I disagree with is Giannis’s second MVP, him only playing 63 due to Covid lockdown shouldn’t be factored in all to much since there in my mind is no doubt that he would have also performed at the same level through all 82 reg season games. Otherwise though really great video and good list
If you apply that logic for Giannis in 2020 then you have to apply the same logic to Lebron in 2012 because of the lockout season.
Yes. I think Giannis 2nd MVP was top 1 here, crazy stats in just 30mpg is insane and take note it is more incredible before the bubble slump the bucks had.
brons 2012 mvp was also ranked low cause of games. games played actually matters.
Steve Nash hate is crazy 😂🤡. He deserved it
brother you forgot harden 2018 tho
I have no idea how I missed that, good catch
He lost me when he said Steve nash shouldn’t have one
Nah the Russ ranking was crazy 💀
Too high or too low?
@@alexmcnamara3236 obv too low he should've been top 5 at least
@@diopshonen r u stupid or something? He was playing with scrubs that’s the only reason his numbers were so inflated he got the ball every possession plus the voting was so cut between him James harden and kawhi how on earth do u see this as a top 5 performance?! We’re u even watching nba in 2017?!
@@diopshonenhell no
Kobe got his MVP for three main reasons: this version of Kobe is the closest to MJ in terms of understanding the game, he learned how to trust his teammates and something that people sometimes forgets about..... the lakers were the best team of the season, period. We forget that this award usually goes to the best player of the best team (or one of the best teams of the season). I agree though, Kobe deserve the 2006 MVP (81 points game but still the 8th seed in the west).
Kobe trusted Kobe
@@melvynsngltn27but still averaged assist as much as a normal shooting gaurd
this list was clearly made by someone who just read a stat sheet and took no context from it. AI subpar defense? dismissing nash's impact on teammates and just focusing on personal stats? there was a dropoff for duncan from 02 to 03? i'm pretty convinced he just started watching basketball last year.
embiid only won cuz they didnt want jokic winning three times in a row and he was a runner up for 2 years
Did you watch steve nash play?
I lost brain cells
Derrick rose deserved it
Completely ignored your own criteria and had nothing to say to even justify it. You got a vendetta
Fr didn’t even show stats or team record or nothin bruhhh
where’s cleveland lebron highlights at
Holy shit I never realized how good Steve Nash’s efficiency was in both MVP seasons- I honestly respect both more now
Imagine leading your team in points rebounds blocks and assists winning MVP a championship and FMVP and coming in 8th on the List
This list is absolutely wild
Basketball is a two way game an in 2012/2013 season lebron was elite offensively an elite defensively he was 1 vote away from being the first unanimous MVP before steph too
That one voter who voted for Melo was so daft. I agree with this being the best MVP season since 2000 and its one of the three top seasons of all time in my opinion too. Literally the peak of the best or at minimum the second best player of all time.
@@aaanawalehhe arguably should have been DPOY, this was his peak efficiency wise and defensively. He was good on ball and *unreal* offball. I argue Lebron at his peak might be the best offball defender ever because of his insane speed, iq to read lanes and opponents and size. There was some article ages ago describing miamis defense during lebrons tenure and how good it was, and a large part of why it was so difficult to replicate was because of how unique Lebron was and how integral he was to it.
The Nash disrespect is crazy. Kobe didn’t even come top 3 yet he deserved it so badly because what he scored the most? Where is Beal’s MVP for being the league leading scorer? Meanwhile Nash joined a team and only Nash then that team won 30 more games
Scored and was a top 3 perimeter defender where as Nash couldn’t play defense to save his life
@@brysonmcgrew6253 You say he can’t play defense but neither could Jokic, Russ, Harden, or Lebron in the last 8 years of his career. Almost as if when you’re the best offensive player in the league you don’t need defense to win the MVP. The sole addition to Steve Nash to the Suns added 30 wins, there is no other player in history to do that. Not Shaq when he went to LA, not Lebron when he went back home to Cleveland, not Mike when he got drafted
@@ubereats3047 nash at no point in 18 whatever years was ever any good on defense is the difference at least the guys you mentioned other than harden have showed some resemblance of defense in their careers
@@brysonmcgrew6253 Except I’m talking about their peaks. Russ came in as a defender but his MVP year he didn’t play defense. Lebron when he got to Cleveland the second time didn’t play defense. Jokic in his MVP seasons was barely even average on defense. Let’s stop lying on these players’ names for you to push an agenda
It tough because theirs a difference between most valuable player and best player in the league, some mvps can’t be judged on stats alone
I still got 2013 Bron comfortable at 1 bc of his 2 way impact
Respectable, very hard to pick those top 3 but I felt like Steph's impact and dominance gave me that one spot but the 2013 Lebron season is very close
@@nextmanupsports I almost shit my pants when I saw LeBron was second, but that is actually a difficult call, between LeBron, Steph, and Shaq.
@@zoomdoof6107 regular season award
@@zoomdoof6107cause it's the MVP of the regular season stupid, playoffs and championships Dont matter when discussing the MVP just Ur regular season impact
disrespect on steve nash is unreal
Perkins logic on mvp voting (aside from the racism)
'Jokic has never made it to the finals, let give it to a guy who has never made the conference finals.'
D rose more than deserved that mvp that year I don’t want to hear it. The contribution to his team was immense. Put Lebron out of Miami and Miami would still be a contender. Can’t say the same about the bulls without Rose
Except MVP usually doesn’t actually mean most valuable. Lebron was far better and usually that’s enough to win mvp: best player
@@lucasphillips2177 bron wasnt even 2nd in mvp voting. Dwight deserved it more.
@@elijahwilliams3728professional hater here, lebron deserved that mvp 100% the league was just tired of his shit
@@mitoski7427 nah he teamed up with other MVP candidates so he lost his valuableness just like KD. Dwight had a worst team and was more valuable that year
I’m with the other comments here, It’s a pretty casual opinion to think Kobe should have won the award in 2006. Kobe’s team was the seventh seed, and at this point in the nba, seeding was a very critical role in mvp voting. Dirk and Lebron were more realistically “robbed” of the award, but I actually think Nash deserved it if we look at the disparity in first place votes. The race wasn’t close.
If nash “stole” any award it may have been the very close and controversial 2005 mvp
I don't understand why Nash was that low when he literally was the most valuable player. Without him the Suns are the bottom seed fighting for the number 1 pick. Stats don't show how impactful he was imo. His first one was absolutely deserved but you can argue his second one.
Edit: To further argue the point, you had KG high for wins but not Nash? It's just hypocritical.
Embiid had some good numbers, but the entire reason he won was “Jokic needs to go further in the playoffs if he wants another mvp”. It’s funny how now people will say “it’s a regular season award”. Jokic and Giannis were much more impactful and their teams had better records.
Yup
wouldn't be mad at all if Giannis had won it. jok, giannis, curry, KD, book, AD, JT, luka, kawhi, dame, shai, and jimmy are all players I would take over embiid. also nice pfp i havent seen zim in forever LOL
Well Embiid team technically had more wins in a stronger conference. I leaned towards Jokic but at the end of the day they were pretty much equally deserving of the award. You can split hairs, but you can only blame the Nuggets for Jokic not winning MVP. They slowed down from their 60+ win pace in the 2nd half of the season and started to coast going into the playoffs.
Nash took the Suns to the game 6 of the WCF without their leading scorer (Amare)...
5:40 nice double dribble 😂
Was looking for this comment 😂
MVPlead
MVPity
This disrespect to Nash is getting outta control 🤡
Steve Nash was the driver of the highest scoring offense in the league in 2006 that was 2nd in the West, Kobe had a 42 and 40 record and barely made the playoffs. Thats not an MVP in 2006 stop it
Stats aren't everything, dude. Nash impacts winning. In '04-'05 the Suns started out 31-4. Then Nash went out for 6 games with an injury and the team lost all 6. He comes back, and they return to form. I don't know how you define valuable. Watch a game.
This guy really hates Steve Nash, lol
Points then are different than points now in the sense that a 30pt game back in 2000 is a lot harder than a 30pt game nowadays, as evidenced by the scoring explosion we’ve seen in recent years.
Even players who aren’t in the highest tier in the NBA can put up 25-30pts.
Stretch that out to a year, and we can easily say that it can be easier to average 30pts for a season as well.
Could be because of how the rules are called-that refs are more willing to call ticky tack fouls, preventing players to heavily play defense.
Add the fact that players are allowed to be more “creative” with their dribbling. Were moves that would’ve been called a travel then are now lost in the mix of infinite gather steps.
So consider points in particular in assessing the MVP years of these players doesn’t paint the most accurate picture.
Thank you! There’s not enough people who seem to understand this. What he should have did is compare the ppg while adjusting for pace and/or comparing it to the league average for each particular year.
I’m not a Westbrook fan but something about his mvp season was different. Idc if it was stat padded, he was just an animal. I get that they were a 6 seed but he was so damn good
How is A.I so low …😂 that’s what makes it so great he did it by himself and went to finals look at the team horrible that’s the last time the Sixers ever made it far …great list and video regardless though love the time in effort !! You put in this
Tell us youre a casual nba curry fan without telling us youre a casual curry fan
Westbrook gotta be higher. I think averaging a triple double and only having steven adams (who isn’t a scorer) while leading a team to the playoffs in tough west deserves to be at least borderline top 10
did you not realize harden isn’t in here and you messed up with lebron showing wrong footage when talking about certain mvp years
This dude forgot harden like wtf
For me LeBron's dpoy is the one of the biggest snub. The first unanimous mvp being Steph is another snub. Steph definitely deserved but before steph it was deserved by other players (like Shaq, KG, 2013 LeBron) but I guess they didn't want it to be won by someone before. I kindly disagree about Russ tho.
Lebron was maybe 3rd in dpoy
I agree with Steph and his unanimous MVP. But ultimately the MVP is such a narrative award and Steph had a grip on the world in a way few people have ever managed to do. Personally I think it’s ridiculous that Lebron didn’t get a single vote because I thought it was relatively close between the two.
@@tommymanningart8864he was 2nd
@@gokugtmain2388It’s wasn’t close at all that season nobody was picking Lebron over Steph that year as far as the regular season went to say otherwise is just revisionist history
@@kohsmoger1567 Well yeah….that’s what a unanimous recognition is. Ground-breaking
im surprised you didnt mention lebrons ridiculous efficiency in the 2013 season. he was literally unstoppable
Should have been the second unanimous mvp if it wasn’t for a blatantly biased person ruining it. The first should have been shaq.
@@deadprecidents yep i agree. could also argue that shaq deserved mvp in 01 instead of iverson
Steve Nash slander won't be tolerated
Damn dirk carried his ass off in that denver clip😂😂😂
I’ve never understood the low ranking of Kobe’s MVP. Not saying it’s the best ever, but he led the league in points, was second in PPG, had the best record in the West, and was pretty efficient (46/36/84 splits). I’d put it a few spots higher.
CP3 deserved it more that season
@@logan1751 Debatable imo. I think the only reason people debate that is because CP’s team was overall as good as Kobe’s but I don’t necessarily believe that automatically means you were more valuable. Kobe at that point was not only the best player on the best team, but still the best player in the game and had a good season. So I don’t think it’s crazy to say Kobe deserved that.
all these mvps are insane someone has to be ranked low but i will bump up a few mvps here. kds kobes and jokic@@pimpinb11
You are afraid to rank them back farther, because the ones before 200 are so much better than the ones after 200. It's a fact.
ranking every rookie of the year since 2000
Embiid only won because he cried his way into an MVP. He wasn't even the best player in the regular season.
2013 Lebron over 2016 Curry ez. But since the MVP counts only the regular season, I have no complaints over this since this is “Unanimous” and have a 73-9 record. The only difference was Bron won a championship in 2013 while Curry got defeated by Bron on the Greatest NBA Finals of All Time (2016 Finals).
Thank you
It’s a regular season award and guys like klay and draymond aren’t on the level of dwade or Bosch Steph won with a home grown roster. Even if he didn’t win it all that year.
Jokic in 2023 should be No 1
Man avg triple dobule on insane % and No 1 seed
Fkin media
He’s the only mvp in nba history to not make a conference finals
Bro am I tweakin or Harden not in here 😭??
Did you actually watch the Suns in those years? Be honest
The Suns did drastically improve with Nash but comparative to all the others on this list they have to be that low
@@nextmanupsportsyou didn't answer the question lol
Dude if regular season is what matters for MVP, didn't Rose sweep LeBron by winning all 3 regular season games in Rose's MVP season and they were the 1st seed.
Before I watch Curry BETTER be #1
Dude thinks points are quite literally the only thing that matters
I'm sick of the Allen Iverson bs. Iverson had a DPOY and sixth man of the year on his team when he won mvp. He had help.
He carried to team on offense
What about offense? That team genuinely had some of the worst spacing in the modern era
he had dikembe for like 20 games genius and sixth man of the year wow that's great.
@@TellHerNothing Spacing isn't nearly as important back in 2000s as now. That team had 4 players averaging over double digits including Allen Iverson. That is more then Lakers did that season. That is more that the raptors who they faced in the playoffs that season. One less player compared to the Bucks and Pacers who they faced in the playoffs. The Allen Iverson propaganda needs to come to an end.
@@maelguiraud3568 Dikembe might have only played 26 games that season, but doesn't the fact that he was on that team in the playoffs. That philly team had 4 players average double digit points that season more than the Lakers.
2:18 KG should of won the 2004-05 mvp.
Where's james harden's 2018 MVP?
bro man just forgot harden LMAO
You really don't understand how GREAT Nash was on the Suns...Also hard disagree with Steph 2015 above Westbrook...
I disagree, 2012 was historical from start to bottom
Brah you didn't even rank Embiid's MVP??? Wasn't that the whole point of the video?!
2:10 Nash earned this award he avg 15.5 points which isn't a lot for an MVP but he avg 11.5 ast so if he only assisted on 2 pointers that would have meant that steve nash generated 34.5 points compared to Shaq's generating only 27.5 points
In an era where 90 points a game was the norm. So he’s most likely generating nearly half the offense if some of those are 3s. Not to mention assists that don’t show up because amare gets fouled or something.
You are a casual if you think Russell Westbrook didn’t have one of the best mvp seasons
Derrick Rose deserved his MVP. The reason he isn't a legend or a top 25 player it's because his career was derailed with injuries. If that didn't happen, he probably would be higher on the list. He deserved it over LeBron, who deserved it too, tbh. But Derrick Rose carried the Bulls to a better record than the stacked Heat team, plus the Bulls were missing other important players for a major part of the year, while Bron had Bosh and Wade and more. He went to 5 or 6 against that Heat team in the ECF.
As one of his biggest fanboys, I can agree that he isn't one of the best MVPs of the 2000's but he is not one of the worst, or the worst or a bad MVP.
Showin the wrong year highlights for certain players lmaooo