Your attention to detail is next level 😳 you’re potentially missing out on views to do the right thing and re-post… awesome value-packed video as always!
Great video, buddy!!! So, it's funny...we can spend ungodly amounts of money of liquid cooled video cards, but unless you flash the card with a firmware that does not limit the clock and voltages you can run, we will always be capped as to the performance that is achievable. The only thing you'll really achieve is zero thermal throttling. There are some extreme overclockers out there doing liquid nitrogen OC's just for benchmarks, but that's not realistic for daily use. I started researching all of this with the 7900XTX and realized the performance benefits from even the most extreme overclocks are marginal. There's a diminishing rate of return on overclocking. It's like an engine that has a cam profile that makes peak HP at 5000 rpm. You can lighten the crank and rods and pistons, upgrade the valves and springs, and rev the sucker out to 10k rpm, but it's not going to make much more HP and you'll have spent a fortune getting there. Unless we get options to buy video cards with high end memory specs and the firmware to play with it, we won't get much more FPS for our efforts. So yeah, I'm not surprised your test bench gives you way more bang for the buck, but you built a hell of a good looking machine!!! That last 5% in performance might cost us $2k more, but we're all suckers!!! haha!!!!
My problem is that for this build I have an Asus AIO so I have no way to control the LCD screen without Armory Crate. I was shocked when I saw the benchmarks after changing the RGB in Aura Sync … it’s really poor software development.
@@blackbirdpctech That really does suck and to add on the ASUS warranty issues being covered by Gamers Nexus; this makes me want to never buy ASUS again! I currently have a Z690 ITX board and it has USB dropout issues, and I can't resolve them, though they drop out less after I uninstalled Armoury Crate. Yes it is very poor software development...
It’s funny you say that, I actually had a bad experience with RMA’ing an Asus Strix 4090 while working on this build and I published an “Asus Scam” video a week before Gamers Nexus. I sent it to Steve and suggested that he should investigate Asus … then a week later his video came out. Hopefully this pressure, especially from GN, will drive change because as I explained in my Asus scam video, I really do like their products (with the exception of Armory Crate of course).
@@blackbirdpctech I did not know that! I'm sorry, I wish I had seen that video. Love your stuff btw. Gotta catch up with your videos, but I have enjoyed the ones I have seen so far. Yeah they do have some good products, I do agree. Hopefully they fix Armoury Crate one day lol. God Bless!
Thanks, I appreciate that … it was pretty ironic that I was building an ultimate all Asus build when I had the bad RMA experience … it could have been worse, I could have dropped the video the same day GN released theirs 😉
Now that’s a great question … unfortunately my relationship with Asus is somewhat strained after my Asus Scam video, but I should let them know so they can hopefully fix it.
So many people think more cores help if you have other programs running, but testing by Hardware Unboxed saw otherwise as it's not CPU time that's the constraint. It's generally contention for other system resources. That the RGB setting can cause such a difference with an i9 is a good example. The 7800x3D makes far more sense for gaming.
Yes, it’s crazy to me that an RGB setting can cripple an i9 in gaming. Completely agree that a 7800X3D makes way more sense in gaming. The GPU I used is also not a smart buy and not something I recommended when I reviewed it in an earlier video.
@@blackbirdpctech well I wonder if it's using some BIOS code that briefly stalls everything while it changes the setting. Just a few ms delay could wreck 1% lows at the fps you have unless something else causes worse stutters. As for the mention of 7800x3D, it was only as the title said "Ultimate". A long time ago under Linux I discovered having net traffic via a hardware ISA modem would halve disk throughput on a dual CPU PC. Probably due to serial interrupts delaying disk ones.
My thought was somewhat similar, every time the color was changing armory crate must send a high priority signal to the cpu which causes the stutters and hence kills 1% lows. Appreciate your input.
Uhg not looking forward to my Corsair 1000D Rebuild then I loaded the bich up with 12x Lian Li 120mm fans + 6 Lian Li 140m for the 420 Cooler. The 14900K with that one Asus Enhancement on but limit to 90c has drastically fixed crashes and 100c on core 2-3.
I love the look of the Lian-Li fans but their software is not great either … be careful with mixing hubs when you do your rebuild … I learned that the hard way 😉
Im not shocked that this software effects games its reason I never used any of MSI or ASUS software its usually buggy as hell I've come across similar issues granted that was like several odd years ago. glad to see ASUS followed MSI dragon center.
Yes, I don’t like any of them … in fact I think that gigabyte may even have the worst one. I just haven’t figured out a good way to control the LCD screen on AIO’s without this software. Hopefully a third party will do that soon.
@@blackbirdpctech not used enough gigabyte stuff but usually gigabyte boards are fairly solid. as is asrock though if you asked me that in 2012 it be a different convo. its funny as asrock was originally started by asus for challenging oems like foxconn. its a shame that software on the boards are just put together so bad.
@@blackbirdpctech the Aorus boards are solid apart from couple of quality control issues a loose capacitor near the audio side ( easy fix with a soldering iron but still lol.) and a itx board with a confused header for power and reset were reversed. apart from that it posted fine just a weird issue quirky lol.
@@blackbirdpctech also in display settings something ive been checking some games may just completely crash on 4000 series etc hogwarts legacy the fix disabling hardware accelerated gpu scheduling. ( windows 11 )
you should try using ameliorated versions of windows like ghost spectre superlite or GGOS and keep the ram speeds intel default if you want to diagnose these problems. far more process of elimination will happen for you faster and easier.
I appreciate your comment … I’m not familiar with those versions of windows … how would that help? As I explained in the video, the first thing I tested was the RAM by removing the overclock, changing memory kits and running Karhu. Once I determined that the RAM had no impact what value would running it at default speeds offer? I could also simply run Windows in safe mode but again, how would that help me find the root cause of the issue? I guess that would have helped me eliminate hardware as the issue before replacing all of the components, so that would have saved me a lot of time.
@blackbirdpctech These versions of windows have been debloated for maximum performance. Typically, they are made for gamers. I use one, and I've had up to 20 fps in game. The reason I suggest using default ram speeds well, I use the 7800x3d and we all know too well the difficulties and instability ram is/was on that platform. When I switched EXPO off and ran it at 4800mhz instead of 6000. I lost maybe 5 fps but the stability was completely returned. All of the stuttering or spikes is actually the controller throttling. It's the number one cause of 1% lows. Shady 1% lows is usually throttling. Now, if you combine these to variables of an effective maximum speed subtracting everything from the start. Then you know piece by piece if something is nerfing the performance of the entire setup. Remove anything RGB, LCD, USB controllers etc and reinstall windows the way I've said. Ameliorated Windows and GPU driver. Then use avast auto driver for the chipset drivers. Don't use armoury crate. I stopped using it when I decided to use something else for the WIFI but, for obvious reasons you need it in the end for the different components. This takes advantage of the most effective fresh install you can get. You now have a baseline you can always return to.
Will look into these versions of windows. It’s crazy to think that if I didn’t have to use Armory crate then most of my issues would have gone away. The good news is I learned a lot going through this, but it was still frustrating.
@blackbirdpctech Try Atlas OS first. It's the safest from the ameliorated community. They have an official website linus made a video about them. Yes armoury crate is a pain sometimes.
I really hope so because this build was a huge pain. I actually haven't played around with the 7950X3D yet, so I am really curious as to how it performs. I have multiple 7800X3D systems which are great, but that obviously doesn't require any core scheduling to perform at an optimum level. Should be fun.
Great question, I actually tried uninstalling the software and that’s what helped clue me in … it gave the same improvement as the aura sync change but wasn’t as good as the GameFirst power plan change.
bro,if you giveaway any any gpu please select me next time cause my pc is almost dead with my i3 4th gen.I want to play games on it.If i got a gpu..i would be blessed....
Before writing this comment did you watch any of my other content? If you had you would have seen how I recently took Intel to task for taking performance away from customers with their new default settings and how the entire debacle was Intel's fault. I also encouraged a class action lawsuit against Intel for false advertising. There are a lot of channels out there that will tell you what you want to hear, but on this channel I don't favor any manufacturer ... I let the testing and data form my recommendations.
Your attention to detail is next level 😳 you’re potentially missing out on views to do the right thing and re-post… awesome value-packed video as always!
Thank you … it’s always better to do the right thing 👍
well, I have my pc built in almost 2 years - and never knew I have ultimate performance power plan... thanks!
You are very welcome … it’s crazy how a few small changes can make such a big difference … your gaming experience should be much smoother now 😉
Great video, buddy!!! So, it's funny...we can spend ungodly amounts of money of liquid cooled video cards, but unless you flash the card with a firmware that does not limit the clock and voltages you can run, we will always be capped as to the performance that is achievable. The only thing you'll really achieve is zero thermal throttling. There are some extreme overclockers out there doing liquid nitrogen OC's just for benchmarks, but that's not realistic for daily use. I started researching all of this with the 7900XTX and realized the performance benefits from even the most extreme overclocks are marginal. There's a diminishing rate of return on overclocking. It's like an engine that has a cam profile that makes peak HP at 5000 rpm. You can lighten the crank and rods and pistons, upgrade the valves and springs, and rev the sucker out to 10k rpm, but it's not going to make much more HP and you'll have spent a fortune getting there. Unless we get options to buy video cards with high end memory specs and the firmware to play with it, we won't get much more FPS for our efforts. So yeah, I'm not surprised your test bench gives you way more bang for the buck, but you built a hell of a good looking machine!!! That last 5% in performance might cost us $2k more, but we're all suckers!!! haha!!!!
BTW...I've heard of these issues with Lian Li. Unacceptable. They'll never get my money, no matter how nice their products look.
Very well said … GPU manufacturers have really locked down our ability to OC effectively and now a 4090 is a 4090 … just get the cheapest option.
Yes very disappointing … wish I had used different fans.
Knowing it was a ASUS motherboard, I had an inkling that it was Armoury Crate. Crazy how that can affect the computer so much!
My problem is that for this build I have an Asus AIO so I have no way to control the LCD screen without Armory Crate. I was shocked when I saw the benchmarks after changing the RGB in Aura Sync … it’s really poor software development.
@@blackbirdpctech That really does suck and to add on the ASUS warranty issues being covered by Gamers Nexus; this makes me want to never buy ASUS again! I currently have a Z690 ITX board and it has USB dropout issues, and I can't resolve them, though they drop out less after I uninstalled Armoury Crate. Yes it is very poor software development...
It’s funny you say that, I actually had a bad experience with RMA’ing an Asus Strix 4090 while working on this build and I published an “Asus Scam” video a week before Gamers Nexus. I sent it to Steve and suggested that he should investigate Asus … then a week later his video came out. Hopefully this pressure, especially from GN, will drive change because as I explained in my Asus scam video, I really do like their products (with the exception of Armory Crate of course).
@@blackbirdpctech I did not know that! I'm sorry, I wish I had seen that video. Love your stuff btw. Gotta catch up with your videos, but I have enjoyed the ones I have seen so far.
Yeah they do have some good products, I do agree. Hopefully they fix Armoury Crate one day lol.
God Bless!
Thanks, I appreciate that … it was pretty ironic that I was building an ultimate all Asus build when I had the bad RMA experience … it could have been worse, I could have dropped the video the same day GN released theirs 😉
Very interesting find. Did you notified Asus about this bug?
Now that’s a great question … unfortunately my relationship with Asus is somewhat strained after my Asus Scam video, but I should let them know so they can hopefully fix it.
Quality!
Appreciate your feedback!!
So many people think more cores help if you have other programs running, but testing by Hardware Unboxed saw otherwise as it's not CPU time that's the constraint. It's generally contention for other system resources.
That the RGB setting can cause such a difference with an i9 is a good example.
The 7800x3D makes far more sense for gaming.
Yes, it’s crazy to me that an RGB setting can cripple an i9 in gaming. Completely agree that a 7800X3D makes way more sense in gaming. The GPU I used is also not a smart buy and not something I recommended when I reviewed it in an earlier video.
@@blackbirdpctech well I wonder if it's using some BIOS code that briefly stalls everything while it changes the setting.
Just a few ms delay could wreck 1% lows at the fps you have unless something else causes worse stutters.
As for the mention of 7800x3D, it was only as the title said "Ultimate".
A long time ago under Linux I discovered having net traffic via a hardware ISA modem would halve disk throughput on a dual CPU PC. Probably due to serial interrupts delaying disk ones.
My thought was somewhat similar, every time the color was changing armory crate must send a high priority signal to the cpu which causes the stutters and hence kills 1% lows. Appreciate your input.
Uhg not looking forward to my Corsair 1000D Rebuild then I loaded the bich up with 12x Lian Li 120mm fans + 6 Lian Li 140m for the 420 Cooler. The 14900K with that one Asus Enhancement on but limit to 90c has drastically fixed crashes and 100c on core 2-3.
I love the look of the Lian-Li fans but their software is not great either … be careful with mixing hubs when you do your rebuild … I learned that the hard way 😉
Im not shocked that this software effects games its reason I never used any of MSI or ASUS software its usually buggy as hell I've come across similar issues granted that was like several odd years ago. glad to see ASUS followed MSI dragon center.
Yes, I don’t like any of them … in fact I think that gigabyte may even have the worst one. I just haven’t figured out a good way to control the LCD screen on AIO’s without this software. Hopefully a third party will do that soon.
@@blackbirdpctech not used enough gigabyte stuff but usually gigabyte boards are fairly solid. as is asrock though if you asked me that in 2012 it be a different convo. its funny as asrock was originally started by asus for challenging oems like foxconn. its a shame that software on the boards are just put together so bad.
I actually really like the newer Aorus boards it’s just the software that lets them down.
@@blackbirdpctech the Aorus boards are solid apart from couple of quality control issues a loose capacitor near the audio side ( easy fix with a soldering iron but still lol.) and a itx board with a confused header for power and reset were reversed. apart from that it posted fine just a weird issue quirky lol.
@@blackbirdpctech also in display settings something ive been checking some games may just completely crash on 4000 series etc hogwarts legacy the fix disabling hardware accelerated gpu scheduling. ( windows 11 )
you should try using ameliorated versions of windows like ghost spectre superlite or GGOS and keep the ram speeds intel default if you want to diagnose these problems. far more process of elimination will happen for you faster and easier.
I appreciate your comment … I’m not familiar with those versions of windows … how would that help? As I explained in the video, the first thing I tested was the RAM by removing the overclock, changing memory kits and running Karhu. Once I determined that the RAM had no impact what value would running it at default speeds offer? I could also simply run Windows in safe mode but again, how would that help me find the root cause of the issue? I guess that would have helped me eliminate hardware as the issue before replacing all of the components, so that would have saved me a lot of time.
@blackbirdpctech
These versions of windows have been debloated for maximum performance. Typically, they are made for gamers.
I use one, and I've had up to 20 fps in game.
The reason I suggest using default ram speeds well, I use the 7800x3d and we all know too well the difficulties and instability ram is/was on that platform.
When I switched EXPO off and ran it at 4800mhz instead of 6000. I lost maybe 5 fps but the stability was completely returned. All of the stuttering or spikes is actually the controller throttling. It's the number one cause of 1% lows. Shady 1% lows is usually throttling.
Now, if you combine these to variables of an effective maximum speed subtracting everything from the start.
Then you know piece by piece if something is nerfing the performance of the entire setup.
Remove anything RGB, LCD, USB controllers etc and reinstall windows the way I've said. Ameliorated Windows and GPU driver. Then use avast auto driver for the chipset drivers.
Don't use armoury crate. I stopped using it when I decided to use something else for the WIFI but, for obvious reasons you need it in the end for the different components.
This takes advantage of the most effective fresh install you can get. You now have a baseline you can always return to.
Will look into these versions of windows. It’s crazy to think that if I didn’t have to use Armory crate then most of my issues would have gone away. The good news is I learned a lot going through this, but it was still frustrating.
@blackbirdpctech
Try Atlas OS first. It's the safest from the ameliorated community.
They have an official website linus made a video about them.
Yes armoury crate is a pain sometimes.
I bet the AMD build will have much less issues, once you've sorted apps with Process Lasso 😊
I really hope so because this build was a huge pain. I actually haven't played around with the 7950X3D yet, so I am really curious as to how it performs. I have multiple 7800X3D systems which are great, but that obviously doesn't require any core scheduling to perform at an optimum level. Should be fun.
AMDip is terrible. No one wants it.
Have you experienced it? Because contrary to what Jufes says on his channel, I’ve never experienced it.
What are you using to measure the 1% FPS?
CapFrameX … awesome capture software that I use for all of my benchmarking.
how are the results with all asus software uninstalled?
Great question, I actually tried uninstalling the software and that’s what helped clue me in … it gave the same improvement as the aura sync change but wasn’t as good as the GameFirst power plan change.
that's why i don't run does apps in mine pc's fuck that shit, i am zero-rgb andy too
Do you guys provide Consulting Service for pc builds?
Yes, let me know if you are interested.
@@blackbirdpctech I am how do i contact? i sent an email out from your website but havent received a responce back
@@blackbirdpctech I am, i sent out a email from your website but havent gotten a reply. not sure if you guys receiced it
It was in my junk email for some reason … I sent you a reply.
bro,if you giveaway any any gpu please select me next time cause my pc is almost dead with my i3 4th gen.I want to play games on it.If i got a gpu..i would be blessed....
Ultimate Gaming PC should used AMD CPU not intel!!!
The next one I build will be based on a 7950X3D … will be interesting to see how it compares to this build. Thanks for watching!
How much is Intel paying you?
Before writing this comment did you watch any of my other content? If you had you would have seen how I recently took Intel to task for taking performance away from customers with their new default settings and how the entire debacle was Intel's fault. I also encouraged a class action lawsuit against Intel for false advertising. There are a lot of channels out there that will tell you what you want to hear, but on this channel I don't favor any manufacturer ... I let the testing and data form my recommendations.