I cringe every time you keep expressing energy density in in "Watts per Kg". It's Watt Hours per Kg (or per unit volume). Watts is a measure of instantaneous power. Why do we care? Because the other important metric is power density which is Watts per unit volume and it's about how fast you can get get power out of the battery, rather than how much it stores (matters a lot for fast cars and airplane). But you know all this already, so please stop using incorrect units.
@@darylcliffordsure it’s correct. watt is joule (energy) / second (time) and energy/time is power. but kilojoule is not as intuitive as watt hour so that is used usually for energy.
No, not yet. Getting closer though. CATL and BYD are pulling-up the baseline capabilities of several chemistries. The most interesting right now is CATL's Shenxing 2 (or Shenxing Plus, depending). That one is a LFP battery with (a) very good cold-weather charging, (b) 4C charging, (c) LFP (safety), and (d) around 205 Wh/kg... competitive with NMC. That covers all the bases except the ultimate ICE killer which will be an energy density closer to 300 Wh/kg... we want THAT in LFP but we don't have it yet. Once we get that, it is game over. The current sodium battery announcements, particularly the hybrid, are NOT a game-over technology. -Matt
@@rwyo83 You'll never get 4C charging without cooling, with any battery chemistry except maybe lithium-titanate (which isn't suitable for most applications). But cooling really isn't that big a deal. Just being able to do 4C for any appreciable amount of time at all means the internal resistance of the cells is already gonna be pretty low. I doubt they are hiding the cycle count, being LFP batteries one can assume it's gonna be at least 3000 cycles @ 80% DOD to 80% capacity. That is pretty much a given for this chemistry.
Watt is a unit of power. Watt-hour is a unit of energy. Battery energy storage capacity is measured in watt-hours. Battery energy density is measured in watt-hours per kilogram.
people try to tell him every time but he has a brain like kelly bundy. no chance to learn this. it is like not knowing the difference between speed and distance.
Hmm. Sam isn’t as hot on the electrical physics / electrochemistry as he is at making videos based on the marketing material from the world of automotive electrics. He’s pretty good at using cool looking graphic that suggest amazing tech without giving any real numbers away. He’s always saying something is umpteen percent better. Better than what? Percentage is a comparison. He never (or hardly ever) gives the comparison, except ICE. 😂
Just drove my 02 CRV to breakfast in Bangkok that you can see the fuel gauge dropping as you drive. My wife and I discussing how new battery technology is changing daily. Hope I live long enough to find the right EV for us.
@@Ria-hx8nlBatteries have been good enough for more then 5 years already. Don't let the oil propaganda get to you. If we can use these cars in Norway and Iceland easily everybody can.
@@Ria-hx8nl Battery technology has been practical for years! Yes, you can come up with exceptional circumstances where EV is a challenging option but to suggest it's not practical for most people is simply incorrect.
I realise many people on here don't know that China is a vast country, in the NE Heilongjiang province is close to the coldest town on the planet c-30/50 to the Far east in Xinjiang,, Taklaman desert temperatures can be over 40. Surprisingly they test the vehicles to operate in Both regions.
Not really. While Toyota is attempting to perfect hydrogen powered engines to more easily commoditize such complex patents and IP, that isn't possible with battery tech due to the cost curve. Legacy carmakers don't know how to put this genie back in the bottle.
I can see this enabling them to still make a buck on lower end EVs. There's a huge completely unfulfilled market down there that EV manufacturers currently can't or won't compete in.
Legacy car makers might be motivated to protect their ICE revenues that way. However, EV-only manufacturers are highly motivated to win market share, so they will probably pass on most of the cost saving.
I think he means that with a wonder storage system energy creation may go renewables 100%. I think that we’ll need nuclear for a long time, for some sort of baseline that does not depend on anything variable and uncertain.
Sounds great. But I’ve been hearing this for a long time. Lots of hype extremely slow delivery and cheaper better batteries. And cheaper better electric cars. I’ll believe it when I see it in the showroom.
Your point is reasonable. But I think the problem is us. We expect these gamechangers (haha) to hit the market very quickly but I guess manufacturing doesn't work to our wishlist time scales. But if we look back several years, the advances become more apparent. 5 years ago, I don't think LFP was even on the market. Then it came in at about 160 kwh/kg. Now its up to approx 200 kwh/kg and the prices keep dropping. So I think we're getting there, just not as fast as our 'modern life' brains would like.
The first 250mile+ EV, 16 years ago, cost $150k for a basic two seater. In 2012 the price dropped to $80k, to $45k in 2016. Now it's $25k or so and still falling fast, driven by exactly these kinds of advances in battery capability and cost. What part am I missing?
It's because western car makers drag their feet. For a long time it was very deliberate, now they are just years behind and have sluggish processes. These news come out of China and are in cheap chinese cars in China. Till this technology gets here, without massive tariffs on it, it will take a few more years.
Legacy auto maybe has two years to become competitive before the Chinese are flooding the markets with EVs. Else it's game over for them. And yes, EVs have become far cheaper in the last decade. But as with every technology, it becomes ever more challenging to squeeze out more efficiency. The reason why ICE development is practically zero. But for EVs, which are already having a lower TCO than ICE it's still in the early stages of development. It's just a matter of time when ICE is finally done. Technically it's already done. It's just that production capacity for EVs still has to ramp up and that purchase price for an EV is far too dominant in the people's minds.
While I wouldn’t say never but the foreseeable future (this century) oil will be around. Jet fuel for planes (or future starships) to missiles. Massive cargo ships. A new type of propulsion system would be created powered by say fusion reactors.
Keep in mind that Tony S. gave his predictions in 2010 or 2014 dollars which are now almost worth $2 each. So in reality he was very conservative in his estimates on the speed of battery prices dropping. Hopefully the same will go for Solar power systems. So now, with energy and transport nearly handled, all we need are good governments and good food!
90% charge at -20C. Essential even in New York. When I was working there in the early 1080s we had -1F/-18C and barely any higher for a few weeks, so that when the temp rose to 32F/0C I was walking around without a coat and not feeling cold.
It's convincing enough to admit that it's the future of power generation and storage for almost everything and nothing else is even close to it's advancement in development
So, everything changes yet again. Never a day passes that everything has not changed. Tomorrow everything will change again until there is nothing left to change ever again. That thought alone, changes everything.
Everything IS changing, in case you haven't noticed. Norway is at 90%+ EV; China, the world's largest car market is at 46% and growing fast. This change is happening incredibly fast and it's accelerating.
Just wait until those countries end the rebate and start charging road user charges, then you will see an NZ decline, no a fall off the cliff in sales!
@@gregb1599 I doubt it, EVs are getting better too fast. We'll almost be at price parity to buy by the end of this year and the ratio of electricity to petrol price is returning to normal
The price of batteries has dropped consistently since 2000 while the capacity of batteries have increased consistently since 2000. It takes two or three years for these announcements to come into production but right now we're benefiting from the announcements to 3 years ago.
Thermal Runaway Potential ? Have you ever seen NA+ ( Sodium) Burn ? That is why NA+ is shipped in Mineral Oil to keep the NA+ from combusting when exposed to air with humidity. Storage Requirements:....."Sodium must be stored in a closed container under kerosene, toluene, or mineral oil. Contact with water should be avoided because sodium reacts violently with water to form hydrogen (H2) with evolution of sufficient heat to cause ignition...."
No, it's CHARGE CHARGE CHARGE. There's millions of apartment dwellers out there, and unless they can get their car charged at a place that is just as common as a Gas station in 10 minutes or under, their gonna stick to their gas powered cars, regardless of range and the price of EV's may match but will NEVER be below gas cars, and most places, and battery tech, are years away from that scenario, not to mention underdeveloped Countries. That's what the surveys show, convenience is King
@@PETERJOHN101 Issue is, even cheapest 13k gasoline car (Dacia Sandero, 12600€) can go 750km. EVs that come somewhat close, are 50k€+. I love EVs, but really, range is not their strong side.
Range will be around 200-300 miles. Once we can make battery packs based in new chemistry that can go further than that, we will make them smaller and keep range at 200-300miles… Elon pointed out over ten years ago he could make a car with 500mile range by fitting it with two of his standard Tesla battery packs. But carrying all that extra weight around ever day when the range was only needed rarely was daft. Better to keep range to 200-300miles and concentrate on charging faster for the rare occasion you need to travel further.
I don't think that EVs & ICe cars are in direct competition as you are saying. What I think will kill ICE is the cost of fuel. It's already high & there is no sign it will come down. As revenues drop due to EV adoption, they are just going to bang the price up.
I replaced an internal combustion engine twice, both in very old cars. The overwhelming majority of cars with ICE engines never need any major work on them. We have two Prius cars (one 2002, one 2014) that recently turned 200K miles. Neither of them has any engine issues. The 2002 recently needed a hybrid battery rebuild for $2000 and a couple days DIY. Many EVs are near end of life when the battery has to be replaced. The Tesla model 3 is typical of Teslas, with a $16,000 parts and labor cost (almost all parts. Ioniq is widely variable, with RepairPal estimating about $5500 but isolated $60,000 situations are reported for the Ioniq5 when the failure is from road debris damage.
@@flagmichael did you take the time to read my comment? "Will be" is future tense. Of course the cost of new battery technologies is high...for now. If you weren't so obviously anti-EV, you might be up to date with the developing and breakthrough battery sciences which will inevitably become less expensive than hybrid and ice technologies.
electric Viking change so much time games with batzery that by now we would must have EVs with 5000km range and recharging in 5 seconds and costs of EVs with 300hp or more and over 4.5m long like cheapest Dacia sandero
Making the blanket statement that Cheaper batteries ends ICE's, coal even Nuclear etc is incorrect, due to Batteries being Temporary energy STORAGE systems that don't generate the energy, they store, which means that something elese has to generate that energy, which for some people might be coal or Nuclear or even ICE generator, electricity. Until we get fully distributed, decentralised Solar or Modular micro reactor generated energy produced from every home.
You're forgetting about the rate of energy conversion. An EV is 300% more energy efficient than a gas powered car. If every car on the road was an EV, the overall demand for energy generation would be dramatically lower. 💡
@@PETERJOHN101 Actually, electricity generation is never 100% efficient. Nuclear, geothermal, wind and hydro don't have reliable means of stating efficiency, but natural gas is at best 60% efficient, and that is for the relatively rare (don't ask me why) combined cycle plants. The more common simple cycle gas plants are about 25-30%, lower than hybrid cars. In reality, there is not enough energy generation or distribution capacity anywhere in the world right now to support 100% EVs today. I retired recently after 34 years with a Fortune 100 electric company on the Western Intertie (essentially all North America west of the Rockies, from the Sea of Cortez to the Arctic Circle). The public at large has no concept of the costs and timelines of adding generation or distribution. After a generation facility in the US is built and tested, it goes on a five year (at present) wait list for FERC approval to be added to the grid. About one out of five completed plants is withdrawn form the process before it can be certified. If the pace of construction doubles the wait time will also double. It isn't inaction, it is a matter of grid stability. The US U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) reports "About 60% of [US] electricity generation was from fossil fuels-coal, natural gas, petroleum, and other gases. About 19% was from nuclear energy, and about 21% was from renewable energy sources." We can turn our world upside down and still have most cars powered by fossil fuels in the end.
Solar and wind are dirt-cheap compared to anything else. If batteries are also dirt-cheap, any other power generation method will become unprofitable and end.
What I hear every week from these astonishing announcements is: 'don't by an EV now, wait until the magic battery is in production. if you buy one now, it will be scrap when the magic battery comes out, so just keep driving ICE until then'. Thanks. message received.
If only the cost of energy generation were to fall as quickly as useful storage. Many countries have massively inflated energy costs, (like the EU). This has to change, let’s support companies solving clean generation as well. All of them.
The cost of energy generation is not what consumers should worry about. These days it is a less significant component of your bill. Transmission, distribution, retail margins, government ‘rent’ can all be bigger than the generation cost
Mate, we have had so many game changers. The game hasn't changed. Stop it. Undoubtedly, you would have called it when it does change though. Which it will, eventually, but with which bit of tech?
The charge condition slope is not as flat as LiFePO4, or lead acid. Resembles a supercapacitor charge/discharge graph, while the total capacity may be larger, the usable capacity is limited by the power accessible by the inverter. Voltage too high on the 100% charge end, and too low to power the inverter on the low end, well before 0% charge. So a 30% increase in total battery capacity is only about the same usable capacity as the LiFePO4 chemistry.
I am in my 70's, and have gotten excited by new battery technology for multiple decades, and other than lithium ion batteries, no new batteries have reached the market or made any impact. I would love some follow up to these press releases, and explanation for the failure to launch of so many ideas.
Sam, I don't even break out my warm winter coat until it's colder than -25°C. And about 25% of the USA experiences -20°C or colder many times each winter.
The one thing I have kept saying is that electric vehicles will be the way we go, BUT, our battery tech isn't ready yet. I don't know if is where we need to go or if this is a step towards that but this is great news
yes, the next magic battery is just around the corner. Any day now. We've been hearing that since ...1990? We've been working on batteries, since, oh, they were the first electric devices. over 225 years, and the best we've got is LiPo+ and variants. The best we get is marginal, incremental improvements.
I’m in western Canada. -20C is not rare, but it didn’t happen much this past winter. The winter of 78/79 set a record of three months below -20C. Since we have very little charging infrastructure, my goal is AWD and 370 miles of range. Not buying until that target is hit (and it’s affordable).
Just when we were going to be saved by solid state batteries now its sodium. Still waiting for those fantastic chargers that most of the world can't access.
For comparison, an ICE car loses 15% efficiency at 20 degrees (not minus 20, but 20 degrees) according to the Department of Energy. So it loses more at 20 degrees than this battery loses at -20 degrees.
Their population has increased by about 10%. Autos has also increased by 10%. ICE cars are having a decreasing fuel economy as they are getting bigger.
@kensmith5694 ICE are getting more efficient and having to work with more restrictions from emissions equipment. So that's a wash. Norway isn't the ev Utopia the media is making it out to be.
@@francismarion6400 The reason doesn't matter to the fact that the mileage is decreasing. The newly bought ICE cars will not has as good of economy as the ones they replaced.
Worthwhile Battery improvements aside, one still needs an improved charging network and upgraded power grid to bring on the electric vehicle transformation.
Part of the cost benefit of Na-ion is their inability to form an alloy with Al. This allows replacement of the Cu current collector on the anode to be replaced with cheaper and lighter Al. If you have Li ions floating around in the electrolyte I wonder if this Li-Al alloying will be an issue and they have to go back to the more expensive Cu
Every few weeks there's a 'new' battery tech, based on some hand built prototypes. There is a long step between small batch production and mass production. Actual new tech appears first in small products (phones, computers, power tools) before working its way into automobiles. That's the place to realistically look for the future. [The other, and bigger, problem is that fast charging requires very high current charging (no matter how efficient the battery is--that's physics). The infrastructure to massively distribute that level of power (as well as the need to make it safe for ordinary customers to handle daily) is not ready.
The most significant issues with making all new chemistries and packaging viable are cell resistance matching consistency from the production line and the scrap rate. Many defective 16850 cells make their way to the supply chain as Ebikes or other consumer products. I hope the large manufacturers will put pressure on the problematic bootleg counterfeit testing lab products.
In the Netherlands we have al ready problems with the electricity distribution. The government put big on electrification and the grid could not be improved quick enough to meet consumer needs. We are probably a decade behind in what will be needed. I don’t think they will be happy with a new increase in peak loaders on the electricity network.
The muddy world of true cost of BEV vs ⛽ 🚗 is nicely displayed in comments. The fud can go both ways too. My PG&E rates increased to 3x in the last 5 yrs. From night rate of $.09 to .24 and more hikes coming. Others in S. Calif are saying the same. + The Utils made it so hard to optimize our ⚡ rate-cost with over complex rules/tou/tiers/EV1/EV2/fees/solar buy retail sell to grid wholesale,..I gave up. Who do I blame, the govt who is half hearted in the energy transition , basically letting fossil write the legislation.
Except if one looks at a comparison with Germany and the associated cost for going completely renewable it makes sense. Does CA have great sun, yes, but pushing for it while shutting down nuclear is going to raise rates for residential customers.
In California all rate issues are regulated by the California Public Utilities Commission. The buy retail sell wholesale, as opposed to "net metering" conundrum is where the USA will end up. Net metering was never a sustainable model, and is not compatible with the FERC rules for buying/selling electricity on the bulk electric power market.
So, RethinkX was right and based on their research this was predictable, even if not intuitive (which exponential change is not). It's like other tech adoption...mass adoption keeps getting faster. The demise of ICE was inevitable - it's mechanical vs. electric tech, and we know what wins in these cases. Analog computers still exist but they aren't anything more than a blip that's not relevant to 99.999% of people.
An electric motor is still mechanical - as are all the other mechanical parts on a car like wipers, door locks, etc. These things are still going to wear out. And now we have the added complication of batteries that give out. Not cheap to fix. The REAL reason ICE will go away is that oil will eventually run out, or become so scarce that it is too expensive for the average person to buy petrol or diesel.
@@aftonline No, peak oil is a myth, for the time being. It's like the line of dullards who have predicted the end of Moore's law. The US is currently producing more oil than any other country in history. The transition, although accelerated by incentives, will occur for economic reasons - BEV costs are dropping like a stone, while ICE keeps getting more expensive. A BEV has around 10X fewer parts than an ICE vehicle, and the moving parts in an BEV are open to huge improvements, unlike ICE engines, transmissions, exhausts, etc. Hence, new electric motors with ZERO rare earth magnets. Battery durability is FUD, with all BEVs in the US having min. 8 year and 100K mile warranties. "Electric vehicles can claim 15-year warranty as CATL outs million-mile battery with zero degradation in 1000 cycles"
@@aftonline Peak oil is a myth, there is no supply issue there. The reason ICE cars can't compete with EV tech is because fuel savings combined with near zero maintenance will drive the cost of battery replacement to zero.
@@aftonline No, peak oil is a myth, for the time being. It's like the line of dullards who have predicted the end of Moore's law. The US is currently producing more oil than any other country in history. The transition, although accelerated by incentives, will occur for economic reasons - BEV costs are dropping like a stone, while ICE keeps getting more expensive. A BEV has around 10X fewer parts than an ICE vehicle, and the moving parts in an BEV are open to huge improvements, unlike ICE engines, transmissions, exhausts, etc. Hence, new electric motors with ZERO rare earth magnets. Battery durability is FUD, with all BEVs in the US having min. 8 year and 100K mile warranties. "Electric vehicles can claim 15-year warranty as CATL outs million-mile battery with zero degradation in 1000 cycles"
All you need is a cheap, fast charging, battery with 400 miles of range which is what gasoline cars do. I can't sit in a car for more than 4 hours! That's around 240 miles of highway driving.
While I respect most of the stuff you post, one can find information on some new battery 3 times a day on youtube. Please stop falling into this trap of reporting on vapor wear batteries and stick to the facts like you usually do.
Wind chill doesn't count. That's a value that describes how a person will perceive the actual temp. For example: A bulb of water hanging from a tree when it's 33 f out with a wind chill of 28 won't freeze.
@@dguy321 Im asserting weather patterns in a geographic area, but you seem to want to talk about thermodynamics. Should I just say that my local area goes colder than -4 F? -15 F with no windchill happens once a winter. -40F with windchill. An object will lose it's thermal energy faster in wind chill conditions.
Good news for vehicles but surely for home storage the goal is cost over energy density? Just big enough to store a days worth of solar for 48 hours of home energy use.
All this battery talk presupposes that electricity is a magic fluid that spontaneously manifests from a plug in the wall. We would be well and truly hosed if we had to somehow generate that much extra power without rapidly expanding the electrical grid. Negative 20C isn't all that unusual in the northern tier of US states, I've seen a hair under -40.
While on one hand this is pretty much the good news I have been hoping for for decades... there is this one thing. Batteries do energy storage. Not generation. Now let us hope we make good choices building up a renewable energy grid to feed those things. We can do that.
Honestly I don't see the appeal of Sodium Ion batteries other then their price because even though it is substantially cheaper the energy density is its fatal flaw. It might be ideal for stationary storage but for something like an EV its extremely lacking. What we need is solid state batteries
While I agree that we need higher energy density, the stats are still good enough for smaller cars and packs up to around 70 kWh because the price is so phenomenal. I wouldn't want to see those in cars above 80 kWh though, that would mean too much weight to carry around.
I'd like to know how much range it retains at -40°C, because that's going to be what it takes to convince people in Extreme cold climates that EVs are viable in our regions. We hit as low as -47°C where I live, so it's vital to have a battery that can function in that weather. That kind of cold can kill you in minutes if you're left stranded.
? EVs predate the combustion engine... They were mass produced over 100 years ago, sales peaking in the 1910's, when there were over 300 EV manufacturers. Those that could not make the transition to more sophisticated combustion engine technology went out of business. History is repeating itself.
China's CATL has the newest and best EV Battery the new Second Generation Sodium Ion Hybred battery - highest energy density in 2024. Viva CATL; Viva China.
Solid state battery will be the game changer. Next Es/Ls replacement will have plugin ice hybrid with solid state batteries, will hit the market in 2026, already in test
Everything is cheaper, this is going to bring cost down , more power than any battery before . Yet haven’t seen any of theses claims ever come to the real world
There are still a lot of barriers for EVs. People still have range anxiety, as well as issues with charging station availability and of course recharge times.
I think hybrid batteries is very interesting with rhe possibility to combien the advantages of several chemistries. as long as the operating ranges are not too different
So all the LI EV cars will be rendered worthless ..... we are hearing never ending promises about what new batteries are coming down the road ...... best wait ten years ... good idea!
Hook this up with a water distillation to mine salt brine, and recycling Na-ion circular battery attached department and watch the cost plummet. Renewable new and old to boot of course. Take this plant across the world. Chemistry tho not bang on the buck, compared to what's out there it still has it's own piece in the intricate puzzle. Preventing the MAD MAX scenario...that is.
That’s good news. Manufacturers will start producing ev’s more since it will be more profitable than ice. I don’t think consumers will see price reductions though.
Actually I'm not going to how much crap this guy says, if people wish to listen and believe then good on them. And no he isn't going to stick to his word and close his channel down, Why???? because!!!
Yet here you are. If you don't like it dont watch. Sam is just a news aggregator, it's handy, people can then follow the treads to do their own research on interesting topics. Where as you are sitting there adding nothing and moaning about someone else's hard work.
Watt-hour Sam!!! Watt-hour. Units are important. Physics depends on it.
When they drop that one, I drop their video.
I cringe every time you keep expressing energy density in in "Watts per Kg". It's Watt Hours per Kg (or per unit volume). Watts is a measure of instantaneous power. Why do we care? Because the other important metric is power density which is Watts per unit volume and it's about how fast you can get get power out of the battery, rather than how much it stores (matters a lot for fast cars and airplane). But you know all this already, so please stop using incorrect units.
Hope your comment is correct, and if so that Sam aka Viking sees it 👍
Will greedy America try to put a meter on it the price of salt will go up
Viking great analogy best burger cheapest price I really can picture this but is it a lab dream or out in the wild?
@@darylcliffordsure it’s correct. watt is joule (energy) / second (time) and energy/time is power. but kilojoule is not as intuitive as watt hour so that is used usually for energy.
Relax 😁😄😅😂🤣
If you swap a partridge for a pheasant, that’s a game changer
Hahaha I guess most people won't get that pun
Depends on the game. Swap EV battery for one 30% cheaper and lighter and it IS a game changer. U$4000 is real money for some folks.
@@michaelnurse9089 Christ get a sense of humor.
No, not yet. Getting closer though. CATL and BYD are pulling-up the baseline capabilities of several chemistries. The most interesting right now is CATL's Shenxing 2 (or Shenxing Plus, depending). That one is a LFP battery with (a) very good cold-weather charging, (b) 4C charging, (c) LFP (safety), and (d) around 205 Wh/kg... competitive with NMC.
That covers all the bases except the ultimate ICE killer which will be an energy density closer to 300 Wh/kg... we want THAT in LFP but we don't have it yet. Once we get that, it is game over.
The current sodium battery announcements, particularly the hybrid, are NOT a game-over technology.
-Matt
Why are they hiding the cycles of the Shenxing Plus battery? Also we need 4C charging without cooling
That will be the Na S tech they are working on .. and that will be light and cheap and have the power.
@@rwyo83 You'll never get 4C charging without cooling, with any battery chemistry except maybe lithium-titanate (which isn't suitable for most applications). But cooling really isn't that big a deal. Just being able to do 4C for any appreciable amount of time at all means the internal resistance of the cells is already gonna be pretty low.
I doubt they are hiding the cycle count, being LFP batteries one can assume it's gonna be at least 3000 cycles @ 80% DOD to 80% capacity. That is pretty much a given for this chemistry.
@@rwyo83Not hiding the battery... Just still at the lab stage ..
What about the 500wh/kg condensed battery? Wouldn't that be an ICE killer if the price per kwh is low enough?
Watt is a unit of power. Watt-hour is a unit of energy. Battery energy storage capacity is measured in watt-hours. Battery energy density is measured in watt-hours per kilogram.
Can also be measured by volume instead of weight.
It's ENERGY density is 200 watt-HOURS per kilogram.
Watts per kilogram would be power density.
Ah, don’t worry about such details. As long it is the daily game changer.
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I like your precision.
people try to tell him every time but he has a brain like kelly bundy. no chance to learn this. it is like not knowing the difference between speed and distance.
Hmm. Sam isn’t as hot on the electrical physics / electrochemistry as he is at making videos based on the marketing material from the world of automotive electrics. He’s pretty good at using cool looking graphic that suggest amazing tech without giving any real numbers away. He’s always saying something is umpteen percent better. Better than what? Percentage is a comparison. He never (or hardly ever) gives the comparison, except ICE. 😂
Could you explain this in more detail? Sorry, I am getting it but not getting it.
This changes eve…………. No I can’t do it 😂
Good, I like Eve the way she is.
Just drove my 02 CRV to breakfast in Bangkok that you can see the fuel gauge dropping as you drive. My wife and I discussing how new battery technology is changing daily. Hope I live long enough to find the right EV for us.
Driving in Bangkok makes not much sense.
I'm 52 years old. I too hope to live long enough to see a battery technology that's actually practical.
@@Ria-hx8nlBatteries have been good enough for more then 5 years already. Don't let the oil propaganda get to you. If we can use these cars in Norway and Iceland easily everybody can.
You'd be better off right now with a hybrid car. They work best for city driving.
@@Ria-hx8nl Battery technology has been practical for years! Yes, you can come up with exceptional circumstances where EV is a challenging option but to suggest it's not practical for most people is simply incorrect.
This weeks "game changer".
I realise many people on here don't know that China is a vast country, in the NE Heilongjiang province is close to the coldest town on the planet c-30/50 to the Far east in Xinjiang,, Taklaman desert temperatures can be over 40. Surprisingly they test the vehicles to operate in Both regions.
I can see manufacturers maintaining the EV prices similar to ICE cars just to maintain their desired profits
Not really. While Toyota is attempting to perfect hydrogen powered engines to more easily commoditize such complex patents and IP, that isn't possible with battery tech due to the cost curve. Legacy carmakers don't know how to put this genie back in the bottle.
Also govs with tariffs
I can see this enabling them to still make a buck on lower end EVs. There's a huge completely unfulfilled market down there that EV manufacturers currently can't or won't compete in.
Legacy car makers might be motivated to protect their ICE revenues that way. However, EV-only manufacturers are highly motivated to win market share, so they will probably pass on most of the cost saving.
Batteries are energy storage. Nuclear is energy creation. Very different things.
We don't need no freaking Nuclear, Oil or Gas, we got salt batteries now, get with the program Heretic.
I wish Sam would do a comparison of the total mass requirement for nuclear and solar.
I think he means that with a wonder storage system energy creation may go renewables 100%.
I think that we’ll need nuclear for a long time, for some sort of baseline that does not depend on anything variable and uncertain.
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Sam has been lying by omission since this chanel started, why would you expect him to be honest now?
Energy creation? Now that would be a real game changer😂. the world is awash in energy the only real problem is storage and distribution.
Sounds great. But I’ve been hearing this for a long time. Lots of hype extremely slow delivery and cheaper better batteries. And cheaper better electric cars. I’ll believe it when I see it in the showroom.
Your point is reasonable. But I think the problem is us. We expect these gamechangers (haha) to hit the market very quickly but I guess manufacturing doesn't work to our wishlist time scales. But if we look back several years, the advances become more apparent. 5 years ago, I don't think LFP was even on the market. Then it came in at about 160 kwh/kg. Now its up to approx 200 kwh/kg and the prices keep dropping. So I think we're getting there, just not as fast as our 'modern life' brains would like.
It's the same battery, Sam just changes the graphics and the specs, so he can announce the next 'game changer'
The first 250mile+ EV, 16 years ago, cost $150k for a basic two seater. In 2012 the price dropped to $80k, to $45k in 2016. Now it's $25k or so and still falling fast, driven by exactly these kinds of advances in battery capability and cost. What part am I missing?
It's because western car makers drag their feet. For a long time it was very deliberate, now they are just years behind and have sluggish processes. These news come out of China and are in cheap chinese cars in China. Till this technology gets here, without massive tariffs on it, it will take a few more years.
Legacy auto maybe has two years to become competitive before the Chinese are flooding the markets with EVs. Else it's game over for them.
And yes, EVs have become far cheaper in the last decade. But as with every technology, it becomes ever more challenging to squeeze out more efficiency. The reason why ICE development is practically zero. But for EVs, which are already having a lower TCO than ICE it's still in the early stages of development.
It's just a matter of time when ICE is finally done. Technically it's already done. It's just that production capacity for EVs still has to ramp up and that purchase price for an EV is far too dominant in the people's minds.
While I wouldn’t say never but the foreseeable future (this century) oil will be around.
Jet fuel for planes (or future starships) to missiles. Massive cargo ships.
A new type of propulsion system would be created powered by say fusion reactors.
Keep in mind that Tony S. gave his predictions in 2010 or 2014 dollars which are now almost worth $2 each. So in reality he was very conservative in his estimates on the speed of battery prices dropping. Hopefully the same will go for Solar power systems. So now, with energy and transport nearly handled, all we need are good governments and good food!
Americans aren’t that smart.
Please build Na-ion battery factories in Europe, I need those for my house
-20°c is warm day in spring time. Hello from Finland!
90% charge at -20C. Essential even in New York. When I was working there in the early 1080s we had -1F/-18C and barely any higher for a few weeks, so that when the temp rose to 32F/0C I was walking around without a coat and not feeling cold.
It's convincing enough to admit that it's the future of power generation and storage for almost everything and nothing else is even close to it's advancement in development
So, everything changes yet again. Never a day passes that everything has not changed. Tomorrow everything will change again until there is nothing left to change ever again. That thought alone, changes everything.
Everything IS changing, in case you haven't noticed. Norway is at 90%+ EV; China, the world's largest car market is at 46% and growing fast. This change is happening incredibly fast and it's accelerating.
@@WillBecker I don't doubt that at all. It's the HYPE that kills me man.. the HYPE
@@xyork some of its hype. This isn’t, this is catl.
Just wait until those countries end the rebate and start charging road user charges, then you will see an NZ decline, no a fall off the cliff in sales!
@@gregb1599 I doubt it, EVs are getting better too fast. We'll almost be at price parity to buy by the end of this year and the ratio of electricity to petrol price is returning to normal
Thank you for another informative video on this subject matter. You save me a lot of time.
Yeh yeh, we hear this 5 times a year and yet.......nothing ever comes to market.
And also cancer and alzheimer treatmets.
The price of batteries has dropped consistently since 2000 while the capacity of batteries have increased consistently since 2000.
It takes two or three years for these announcements to come into production but right now we're benefiting from the announcements to 3 years ago.
Thermal Runaway Potential ? Have you ever seen NA+ ( Sodium) Burn ? That is why NA+ is shipped in Mineral Oil to keep the NA+ from combusting when exposed to air with humidity.
Storage Requirements:....."Sodium must be stored in a closed container under kerosene, toluene, or mineral oil. Contact with water should be avoided because sodium reacts violently with water to form hydrogen (H2) with evolution of sufficient heat to cause ignition...."
Hope you are right. Sitting on the sidelines for another decade until this sorts itself out. Range. RANGE. RANGE!
EVs now provide the same range as a gasoline powered car. It's not 2018 any more. 😂
No, it's CHARGE CHARGE CHARGE.
There's millions of apartment dwellers out there, and unless they can get their car charged at a place that is just as common as a Gas station in 10 minutes or under, their gonna stick to their gas powered cars, regardless of range and the price of EV's may match but will NEVER be below gas cars, and most places, and battery tech, are years away from that scenario, not to mention underdeveloped Countries.
That's what the surveys show, convenience is King
@@PETERJOHN101I can get 1000km range from my 60l tank on the open highway, I'm waiting
@@PETERJOHN101 Issue is, even cheapest 13k gasoline car (Dacia Sandero, 12600€) can go 750km. EVs that come somewhat close, are 50k€+.
I love EVs, but really, range is not their strong side.
Range will be around 200-300 miles. Once we can make battery packs based in new chemistry that can go further than that, we will make them smaller and keep range at 200-300miles… Elon pointed out over ten years ago he could make a car with 500mile range by fitting it with two of his standard Tesla battery packs. But carrying all that extra weight around ever day when the range was only needed rarely was daft. Better to keep range to 200-300miles and concentrate on charging faster for the rare occasion you need to travel further.
I don't think that EVs & ICe cars are in direct competition as you are saying. What I think will kill ICE is the cost of fuel. It's already high & there is no sign it will come down. As revenues drop due to EV adoption, they are just going to bang the price up.
Replacing a battery pack will be a lot cheaper and much less complex than swapping out an ice engine.
I replaced an internal combustion engine twice, both in very old cars. The overwhelming majority of cars with ICE engines never need any major work on them. We have two Prius cars (one 2002, one 2014) that recently turned 200K miles. Neither of them has any engine issues. The 2002 recently needed a hybrid battery rebuild for $2000 and a couple days DIY.
Many EVs are near end of life when the battery has to be replaced. The Tesla model 3 is typical of Teslas, with a $16,000 parts and labor cost (almost all parts. Ioniq is widely variable, with RepairPal estimating about $5500 but isolated $60,000 situations are reported for the Ioniq5 when the failure is from road debris damage.
@@flagmichael did you take the time to read my comment? "Will be" is future tense. Of course the cost of new battery technologies is high...for now. If you weren't so obviously anti-EV, you might be up to date with the developing and breakthrough battery sciences which will inevitably become less expensive than hybrid and ice technologies.
electric Viking change so much time games with batzery that by now we would must have EVs with 5000km range and recharging in 5 seconds and costs of EVs with 300hp or more and over 4.5m long like cheapest Dacia sandero
They have been researching this chemistry for decades... it still doesn't work reliably...
Would be a good compliment to the Aptera solar car.
Still weighting for mine :(
The Saudi’s might find it
Making the blanket statement that Cheaper batteries ends ICE's, coal even Nuclear etc is incorrect, due to Batteries being Temporary energy STORAGE systems that don't generate the energy, they store, which means that something elese has to generate that energy, which for some people might be coal or Nuclear or even ICE generator, electricity. Until we get fully distributed, decentralised Solar or Modular micro reactor generated energy produced from every home.
You're forgetting about the rate of energy conversion. An EV is 300% more energy efficient than a gas powered car. If every car on the road was an EV, the overall demand for energy generation would be dramatically lower. 💡
I’m all a small modular home reactor!
@@PETERJOHN101 Actually, electricity generation is never 100% efficient. Nuclear, geothermal, wind and hydro don't have reliable means of stating efficiency, but natural gas is at best 60% efficient, and that is for the relatively rare (don't ask me why) combined cycle plants. The more common simple cycle gas plants are about 25-30%, lower than hybrid cars.
In reality, there is not enough energy generation or distribution capacity anywhere in the world right now to support 100% EVs today. I retired recently after 34 years with a Fortune 100 electric company on the Western Intertie (essentially all North America west of the Rockies, from the Sea of Cortez to the Arctic Circle). The public at large has no concept of the costs and timelines of adding generation or distribution. After a generation facility in the US is built and tested, it goes on a five year (at present) wait list for FERC approval to be added to the grid. About one out of five completed plants is withdrawn form the process before it can be certified. If the pace of construction doubles the wait time will also double. It isn't inaction, it is a matter of grid stability.
The US U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) reports "About 60% of [US] electricity generation was from fossil fuels-coal, natural gas, petroleum, and other gases. About 19% was from nuclear energy, and about 21% was from renewable energy sources." We can turn our world upside down and still have most cars powered by fossil fuels in the end.
Solar and wind are dirt-cheap compared to anything else. If batteries are also dirt-cheap, any other power generation method will become unprofitable and end.
@@flagmichael Germany generated 53% of its electricity with renewables in 2023. If your grid can't handle that, you might need to fix your grid.
What I hear every week from these astonishing announcements is: 'don't by an EV now, wait until the magic battery is in production. if you buy one now, it will be scrap when the magic battery comes out, so just keep driving ICE until then'. Thanks. message received.
If only the cost of energy generation were to fall as quickly as useful storage.
Many countries have massively inflated energy costs, (like the EU). This has to change, let’s support companies solving clean generation as well.
All of them.
If you own a home you can generate your own solar panels here in the US are ridiculously cheap
@@callmebigpapa
Do you use a generator to generate your own solar panels?
The cost of energy generation is not what consumers should worry about. These days it is a less significant component of your bill. Transmission, distribution, retail margins, government ‘rent’ can all be bigger than the generation cost
@@conventionalwisdom So true! most people don't really look at their bill they just pay it.
Many countries (like Australia) have falling electricity prices. Due to the rampant solar installation.
The progress of Cat is fantastic.
Mate, we have had so many game changers. The game hasn't changed. Stop it. Undoubtedly, you would have called it when it does change though. Which it will, eventually, but with which bit of tech?
Don’t know where the ⚡️ Viking lives, but here in Colorado during Arctic Outbreaks we can hit -20 Fahrenheit, getting close to -30C.
Solar 🌞 Energy Battery 🔋 Storage costs about to drop 50% AGAIN!!
The charge condition slope is not as flat as LiFePO4, or lead acid. Resembles a supercapacitor charge/discharge graph, while the total capacity may be larger, the usable capacity is limited by the power accessible by the inverter. Voltage too high on the 100% charge end, and too low to power the inverter on the low end, well before 0% charge. So a 30% increase in total battery capacity is only about the same usable capacity as the LiFePO4 chemistry.
I hear what you're saying, but when will we ever see any of these on the market? And why don't we see these price cuts in energy products?
you been loving under a rock? EV prices have been dropping.
I am in my 70's, and have gotten excited by new battery technology for multiple decades, and other than lithium ion batteries, no new batteries have reached the market or made any impact.
I would love some follow up to these press releases, and explanation for the failure to launch of so many ideas.
If he can manage 1 year without using words "game changer", we have to give him award.
You mean 1 video.
Sodium ion battery is best option for Stationary storage.
Yes for residential. sand, salt, concrete and carbon blocks may be cheaper for large city/county stationary storage.
Hydro electric pumped storage is the best. The cost per KWH stored is very low.
@@kensmith5694I think he means storage for his house.
@@marcguindon8499 I took the meaning of "stationary" as all stationary.
Battery lifespan not good.
Sam, I don't even break out my warm winter coat until it's colder than -25°C. And about 25% of the USA experiences -20°C or colder many times each winter.
Battery sodium temperature are -40° C to 60° C
The one thing I have kept saying is that electric vehicles will be the way we go, BUT, our battery tech isn't ready yet. I don't know if is where we need to go or if this is a step towards that but this is great news
Hopefully it is immune to going up in flames.
Old spew, try a new one.
yes, the next magic battery is just around the corner. Any day now. We've been hearing that since ...1990? We've been working on batteries, since, oh, they were the first electric devices. over 225 years, and the best we've got is LiPo+ and variants. The best we get is marginal, incremental improvements.
Ends coal and nuclear? How we gonna charge the battery? Solar, wind, hydro?
Welcome to Scotland 👍
...there's a game changing, game over technology that converts Viking BS into unlimited energy...stay tuned...
Yes easily
Nope, Unicorn farts and pixie dust! 😂😂😂😊
They are so cheap, you just buy them charged up 😂
I’m in western Canada. -20C is not rare, but it didn’t happen much this past winter.
The winter of 78/79 set a record of three months below -20C.
Since we have very little charging infrastructure, my goal is AWD and 370 miles of range. Not buying until that target is hit (and it’s affordable).
Just when we were going to be saved by solid state batteries now its sodium. Still waiting for those fantastic chargers that most of the world can't access.
For comparison, an ICE car loses 15% efficiency at 20 degrees (not minus 20, but 20 degrees) according to the Department of Energy. So it loses more at 20 degrees than this battery loses at -20 degrees.
Fahrenheit or Celsius? Twenty degree Celsius is close to optimum for a Li battery …
@@gothmog2441 Fahrenheit
Norway still uses the same amount of fossil fuels they did 15 years ago.
Their population has increased by about 10%. Autos has also increased by 10%. ICE cars are having a decreasing fuel economy as they are getting bigger.
@kensmith5694 ICE are getting more efficient and having to work with more restrictions from emissions equipment. So that's a wash. Norway isn't the ev Utopia the media is making it out to be.
@@francismarion6400 The numbers show a lower number of miles per gallon over the last several years.
@@kensmith5694 Emissions equipment.
@@francismarion6400 The reason doesn't matter to the fact that the mileage is decreasing. The newly bought ICE cars will not has as good of economy as the ones they replaced.
Worthwhile Battery improvements aside, one still needs an improved charging network and upgraded power grid to bring on the electric vehicle transformation.
I'm still waiting for CATL's Condensed battery which you had announced 8 months ago.
They did launch that last year, perhaps make a trip to China to buy one and bring home and do a review?
Condensed battery is with silicone anode, these batteries have very low cycles, not good for EVs
There’s always another unicorn battery around the corner. The E Viking been hitting the cool aid again.
That 'game changer' that was going to 'end fossil fuels', is so 2023.
That's not coming to cars or other electronics. It's way too expensive. Its use is in aviation, where weight is actually important.
Part of the cost benefit of Na-ion is their inability to form an alloy with Al. This allows replacement of the Cu current collector on the anode to be replaced with cheaper and lighter Al. If you have Li ions floating around in the electrolyte I wonder if this Li-Al alloying will be an issue and they have to go back to the more expensive Cu
Every few weeks there's a 'new' battery tech, based on some hand built prototypes. There is a long step between small batch production and mass production.
Actual new tech appears first in small products (phones, computers, power tools) before working its way into automobiles. That's the place to realistically look for the future.
[The other, and bigger, problem is that fast charging requires very high current charging (no matter how efficient the battery is--that's physics). The infrastructure to massively distribute that level of power (as well as the need to make it safe for ordinary customers to handle daily) is not ready.
Awesome News. I look forward to eventually owning such a battery in my EV, ... then in my home based Solar System :+)
The most significant issues with making all new chemistries and packaging viable are cell resistance matching consistency from the production line and the scrap rate. Many defective 16850 cells make their way to the supply chain as Ebikes or other consumer products. I hope the large manufacturers will put pressure on the problematic bootleg counterfeit testing lab products.
"Sure, but where are you going to mine all that sodium?" (*overheard at a TSLAQ party)
70+% of the Earth is covered in liquid Sodium.
When will this battery hit the market ?
And also when will CATL bring their new $56/kWh Li-ion battery ?
In the Netherlands we have al ready problems with the electricity distribution. The government put big on electrification and the grid could not be improved quick enough to meet consumer needs. We are probably a decade behind in what will be needed. I don’t think they will be happy with a new increase in peak loaders on the electricity network.
The muddy world of true cost of BEV vs ⛽ 🚗 is nicely displayed in comments. The fud can go both ways too. My PG&E rates increased to 3x in the last 5 yrs. From night rate of $.09 to .24 and more hikes coming. Others in S. Calif are saying the same. + The Utils made it so hard to optimize our ⚡ rate-cost with over complex rules/tou/tiers/EV1/EV2/fees/solar buy retail sell to grid wholesale,..I gave up. Who do I blame, the govt who is half hearted in the energy transition , basically letting fossil write the legislation.
Except if one looks at a comparison with Germany and the associated cost for going completely renewable it makes sense. Does CA have great sun, yes, but pushing for it while shutting down nuclear is going to raise rates for residential customers.
In California all rate issues are regulated by the California Public Utilities Commission. The buy retail sell wholesale, as opposed to "net metering" conundrum is where the USA will end up. Net metering was never a sustainable model, and is not compatible with the FERC rules for buying/selling electricity on the bulk electric power market.
It's not uncommon for temperatures in Southern Ontario to get below -20c during winter months.
You're entering muddy waters when you recommend a stock. My advice is to cease and desist. (You should know that!).
Why?
Storedot are claiming a 300 Wh/kg Sodium battery
So, RethinkX was right and based on their research this was predictable, even if not intuitive (which exponential change is not). It's like other tech adoption...mass adoption keeps getting faster. The demise of ICE was inevitable - it's mechanical vs. electric tech, and we know what wins in these cases. Analog computers still exist but they aren't anything more than a blip that's not relevant to 99.999% of people.
An electric motor is still mechanical - as are all the other mechanical parts on a car like wipers, door locks, etc. These things are still going to wear out. And now we have the added complication of batteries that give out. Not cheap to fix. The REAL reason ICE will go away is that oil will eventually run out, or become so scarce that it is too expensive for the average person to buy petrol or diesel.
@@aftonline No, peak oil is a myth, for the time being. It's like the line of dullards who have predicted the end of Moore's law. The US is currently producing more oil than any other country in history. The transition, although accelerated by incentives, will occur for economic reasons - BEV costs are dropping like a stone, while ICE keeps getting more expensive.
A BEV has around 10X fewer parts than an ICE vehicle, and the moving parts in an BEV are open to huge improvements, unlike ICE engines, transmissions, exhausts, etc. Hence, new electric motors with ZERO rare earth magnets.
Battery durability is FUD, with all BEVs in the US having min. 8 year and 100K mile warranties.
"Electric vehicles can claim 15-year warranty as CATL outs million-mile battery with zero degradation in 1000 cycles"
Clueless.
@@aftonline
Peak oil is a myth, there is no supply issue there. The reason ICE cars can't compete with EV tech is because fuel savings combined with near zero maintenance will drive the cost of battery replacement to zero.
@@aftonline No, peak oil is a myth, for the time being. It's like the line of dullards who have predicted the end of Moore's law. The US is currently producing more oil than any other country in history. The transition, although accelerated by incentives, will occur for economic reasons - BEV costs are dropping like a stone, while ICE keeps getting more expensive.
A BEV has around 10X fewer parts than an ICE vehicle, and the moving parts in an BEV are open to huge improvements, unlike ICE engines, transmissions, exhausts, etc. Hence, new electric motors with ZERO rare earth magnets.
Battery durability is FUD, with all BEVs in the US having min. 8 year and 100K mile warranties.
"Electric vehicles can claim 15-year warranty as CATL outs million-mile battery with zero degradation in 1000 cycles"
It depends on weight and energy density too.
This should be applicable to smartphones, tools and laptops then?
Tools maybe, for most Laptops and Smartphones it's too heavy and probably also too big.
Oh no ! Giving financial advice again ? You got a lot of flame last time 🙀
Canada can reach -20'C... in August.
The new battery of the month!
All you need is a cheap, fast charging, battery with 400 miles of range which is what gasoline cars do. I can't sit in a car for more than 4 hours! That's around 240 miles of highway driving.
With this "pie in the sky" story ---> The Viking even got Ye tripp'n yo. 🙄🤣
These batteries are for sale in China, now
@@bru512 Along with many other forms of Chinese Commie propaganda...
You are talking about CATL. Not some new startup.
Thanks!
While I respect most of the stuff you post, one can find information on some new battery 3 times a day on youtube. Please stop falling into this trap of reporting on vapor wear batteries and stick to the facts like you usually do.
@ev.whyking And that Toyota would go down the tubes.
How's that working out so far?
This news from CATL is verifiable.
The news just keeps getting better for batteries.
We get -20c here in Massachusetts -4 F . With wind-chill in here we have seen a lot lower!!
Wind chill doesn't count. That's a value that describes how a person will perceive the actual temp.
For example: A bulb of water hanging from a tree when it's 33 f out with a wind chill of 28 won't freeze.
@@dguy321 ask your freezing body which condition it would prefer
@@SV-cg3sk I'm not a battery. The battery feels the actual temp. It doesn't care about windchill. We are talking about batteries after all.
@@dguy321 Im asserting weather patterns in a geographic area, but you seem to want to talk about thermodynamics. Should I just say that my local area goes colder than -4 F? -15 F with no windchill happens once a winter. -40F with windchill.
An object will lose it's thermal energy faster in wind chill conditions.
@@SV-cg3sk so battery range will be more impacted for one day a year on average? Not bad.
Good news for vehicles but surely for home storage the goal is cost over energy density? Just big enough to store a days worth of solar for 48 hours of home energy use.
All this battery talk presupposes that electricity is a magic fluid that spontaneously manifests from a plug in the wall. We would be well and truly hosed if we had to somehow generate that much extra power without rapidly expanding the electrical grid. Negative 20C isn't all that unusual in the northern tier of US states, I've seen a hair under -40.
While on one hand this is pretty much the good news I have been hoping for for decades... there is this one thing. Batteries do energy storage. Not generation. Now let us hope we make good choices building up a renewable energy grid to feed those things. We can do that.
Sam keeps saying watts instead of watt-hours for energy density. It's like saying horsepower per gallons. Makes no sense.
They could use energy from the battery to keep it over -20C in cold weather if not plugged in.
Honestly I don't see the appeal of Sodium Ion batteries other then their price because even though it is substantially cheaper the energy density is its fatal flaw. It might be ideal for stationary storage but for something like an EV its extremely lacking. What we need is solid state batteries
LFP iis 125 Wh/kg, Soidum is 200 Wh/kg., Liithium Nickel Cobalt 245 Wh/kg. Sodum easy supply chain, much lower cost.
While I agree that we need higher energy density, the stats are still good enough for smaller cars and packs up to around 70 kWh because the price is so phenomenal. I wouldn't want to see those in cars above 80 kWh though, that would mean too much weight to carry around.
Lol 🇨🇦 here. We see -43°C every winter here in norther BC. People do own tesla's but for summer driving only
If you have a garage it doesn't affect you.
Never seen a Tesla in Winter ????
I've seen many Teslas rolling at -40 here.
California?
@@peterjones6322 have you ever heard of Norway. most EV there are Tesla. Norway is so close to north pole just like Canada
I'd like to know how much range it retains at -40°C, because that's going to be what it takes to convince people in Extreme cold climates that EVs are viable in our regions. We hit as low as -47°C where I live, so it's vital to have a battery that can function in that weather. That kind of cold can kill you in minutes if you're left stranded.
Stick to diesel.
ICE had over 100 years of developement. EV just started not even 10 years ago.
? EVs predate the combustion engine... They were mass produced over 100 years ago, sales peaking in the 1910's, when there were over 300 EV manufacturers. Those that could not make the transition to more sophisticated combustion engine technology went out of business. History is repeating itself.
@@SteveLomas-k6k mass produced, tell which car manufacturer mass produced it? 🤣🤣🤣
@@SteveLomas-k6k You mean Thomas Edison broadcasted a big smear on EVs? 300 manufaturers? LOL!
China's CATL has the newest and best EV Battery the new Second Generation Sodium Ion Hybred battery - highest energy density in 2024. Viva CATL; Viva China.
Solid state battery will be the game changer. Next Es/Ls replacement will have plugin ice hybrid with solid state batteries, will hit the market in 2026, already in test
All hype mumbo jumbo unfortunately.
It would be nice to slap those into my 07 hybrid.
Energy density is one thing but what about range . This is the critical price of information we need .
You’re wrong, Sam Evans, because that battery when the person goes to buy, it is very expensive
Everything is cheaper, this is going to bring cost down , more power than any battery before . Yet haven’t seen any of theses claims ever come to the real world
so solar PV isn't a magnitude cheaper than it was two decades ago? LOL
There are still a lot of barriers for EVs. People still have range anxiety, as well as issues with charging station availability and of course recharge times.
There were barriers to smartphone adoption.
I think hybrid batteries is very interesting with rhe possibility to combien the advantages of several chemistries. as long as the operating ranges are not too different
So all the LI EV cars will be rendered worthless ..... we are hearing never ending promises about what new batteries are coming down the road ...... best wait ten years ... good idea!
Hook this up with a water distillation to mine salt brine, and recycling Na-ion circular battery attached department and watch the cost plummet. Renewable new and old to boot of course.
Take this plant across the world.
Chemistry tho not bang on the buck, compared to what's out there it still has it's own piece in the intricate puzzle. Preventing the MAD MAX scenario...that is.
I think it's amazing how quickly they can bring them to market
I thought you said that you were going to stop posting videos if Tesla fired 14,000 workers, what happened, little fella? 😂
Better you stop posting bs on this channel. Grow up ffs. Being offended doesn't help you.😅
That’s good news. Manufacturers will start producing ev’s more since it will be more profitable than ice. I don’t think consumers will see price reductions though.
More bullshit
Ah yes, another EV with 10,000 km range that recharges in 2 nanoseconds.
Just around the corner....
Actually I'm not going to how much crap this guy says, if people wish to listen and believe then good on them. And no he isn't going to stick to his word and close his channel down, Why???? because!!!
Ok troll.
@@GrigoriZhukovice car salesman trying to cope. Be kind.
Yet here you are. If you don't like it dont watch. Sam is just a news aggregator, it's handy, people can then follow the treads to do their own research on interesting topics. Where as you are sitting there adding nothing and moaning about someone else's hard work.
Trol..bebavi
This is really a nightmare to ICE industry. You can't turn the tide.