Natron is not publicly traded. Their investors are multibillion dollar corporations that have structured investment deals crafted by lawyers, that will give them part ownership in the company. Until Natron has an IPO, there’s no “safe” way for individuals to invest. Small money goes in, small money goes “poof”.
I’m really hoping that this is exactly what we are all hoping for. This is extremely promising. The future is SO BRIGHT and I really appreciate all the hard work Electric ⚡️ Viking puts into these videos 👍👍😁
The shipping battery has fantastic specs, including 15 minute recharge time, but it is really for stationary systems. It weights 75kg for a 1230 watt/hour battery. It is also 256x269x951mm, much larger than the equivalent Li battery. It is a product you can buy now and the new factory will ramp up production. Size and weight will keep it out of vehicles until they get much lighter/smaller.
@@dannelson6980 Their website gives a list of distributors, but none of them appear to have pricing visible. All seem to want to quote a specific job for you. Perhaps when they get enough production capacity they will be selling on the open market.
Sodium has advantages and disadvantages. It's always going to be heavier & less power dense this is only really going to affect sports cars. It's temperature & cost advantages will effect all vehicles.
Considering it’s only just possible to make a lithium ion battery truck - it’s not going to be possible to make a sodium ion truck battery. Sodium batteries have approx half the capacity of lithium. So that means a car currently equipped with a lithium battery, will get about half its current range.
@@sullivanrachaelI do agree it will be a ways away if possible but it’s kind of silly to say something isn’t going to be possible with a new technology. Especially since it’s so cheap to experiment on it.
February 2024, Lithium fell to just over $13,000 per ton, June 2023, Sodium Carbonate cost around $290 per metric ton on the Shanghai Metals Market. Sodium is 1000 times more abundant than Lithium. Lithium is more than 44x more expensive than Sodium. I believe the key parts of the equation is that Sodium is more price stable and cheaper.
The problem - or one of them - is sodium is more energy intensive to produce than lithium. So the raw material might be more abundant but it will cost significantly more to process than lithium. The other problem is the Sodium batteries have half the energy density. Or you need twice as many to do the same job as lithium. That’s like saying your EV will need a ton of battery rather than 500kg of battery. That means the efficiency of the vehicle is a lot less, effectively accelerating and decelerating 500kg of dead weight all the time. Not good
@@sullivanrachael yes but the energy grid needs something else than lithium that last. Sodium is not the only thing researchers are trying. They are trying to extract lignin from saw dust from saw mills and make batteries. The energy grid do not care about weight or density just that it is long lasting and can charge and discharge fast. So I guess mobile phones and cars might keep lithium.
Soduim will be a game changer for home factory use, the drop off is too big and heavy for cars, but Salt is everywhere, so price per kWh that's the game changer bit.
There are currently 27 sodium-ion battery plants in some phase of construction globally but these are mostly 1-5 gig size facilities. A 24 gig sized plant would be the biggest in the world, currently.
Technologies in this field develop very fast. Building such a big factory is not wise. When it's done in 2028, the tech is already behind. Tier investment of building smaller factories every year with tech upgrade is a better path.
@@Fordance100 Perhaps, but Na-ion can be built on the same product lines of current Li-ion, which is where most of the Na-ion batteries on the market right now come from. Unless they figure out solid-state by then, which is a big if, these lines should be able to use the most current technology at the time. 24 gig is big but most large manufactures like CATL, BYD, Tesla, Panasonic, etc... have factories in the 40 to 100 gig range.
With so many applications looking for cheaper alternatives to Lithium that have no concern of weight, volume and capacity, it most certainly will. And, if you have an eye on the Far East, already is.
Natron Energy optimized for super fast, high cycles and target critical applications like data centers. However, from what I could see in their datasheet energy density is very low. I'm concerned that they are not going to be cheap, in comparison to HiNa or CATL, that aim for an LFP comparable energy density from the start, but maybe I'm wrong and all their materials that they use in higher quantity really are that much cheaper.
The largest present-day demand for sodium-ion batteries will be to replace data center UPS batteries. These batteries are currently replaced every two to three years. Due to cost, they typically do not use Lithium.
Sounds great, Sam! They should partner with desalinization plants for an endless supply of sodium (and other trace minerals). Solve two problems with one solution!
So far, I see its application in stationary battery storage because of its low cost, safe from thermal runaway, invulnerability to sub zero and high outdoor temperature environments.
@@mikepayne1350, you do realise that it's not the lithium itself that is responsible for fires, don't you? It is the cobalt in SOME Li-Ion chemistries that is responsible for fires. LFP batteries don't use cobalt and therefore, don't have the same issues with fires.
It is fascinating to see how the competition has caught up. America has lots of talented people just like the Chinese. Let the competition continues and benefits the mankind. If you look at the Chinese history, they tend to do well in disadvantage environment where they will show their resiliency. In America, money and the enterprise spirits prevail. However, I still hope each party don't play dirty.
The cost of raw lithium may not go down much but the cost of refining will but sodium has a lot of potential. My concern is the corrosive nature of sodium will be the biggest factor concerning longevity. Unless I'm missing something we're still talking 10-15 years on average or about the same as lithium batteries.
I don’t wanna hear it until it is produced. Tired of rumors Sam. Talk about tech or battery technology or charging tech that has been produced to the mass. Keeping our hopes up.
It's not rumours. In China CATL has already started mass production of sodium ion and it's extremely cheap compared to lithium ion. The main difference is that it has a lower energy density and so not as suitable for auto applications.
What a whiny little 🤡. Of you don’t want to be informed about what is likely coming, then go watch some mind numbing videos or play with yourself. This channel is for what is coming more than what is here. Whiny little 🐝
This sodium-ion battery gigafactory sounds like a huge step for clean energy! 🌍 I wonder how it will impact the price of electric vehicles in the long run. 🤔 Plus, it's cool that these batteries might be safer too! Can't wait to see how all this plays out! ⚡️
I've been saying sodium is the future over and over. Ubiqutous super charging will make it so. You will only need 300 km effective range with 5 to 10 minute 500 kW super charging. It will be game over at that point. After driving 3 hours typically most drivers require a 5 to 10 minute break. That will be their recharge time.
Sodium is a FLAMMABLE SOLID which will ignite spontaneously in AIR or MOIST AIR and reacts violently with WATER or STEAM to produce flammable and explosive Hydrogen gas.
Just a thought, as we already have desalination plants in area's where fresh water is in short supply, could the by-product salts be used for battery manufacturing?
Good thinking: Sodium can be harvested from the brine that is otherwise a toxic by product of desal plants. This is likely to only be cost effective in desert climate where the already concentrated brine can be further evaporated. This is similar to the way Lithium is often mined.
Sodium batteries have one disadvantage compared with Lithium. This follows from two facts -- that (a) a single Lithium ion stores more energy that a single Sodium ion, and (b) it also weighs less That means for auto and aero power Lithium will always beat sodium. Sodium, if cheaper, is viable for static storage (everything from a home power wall to grid stabilisers), and might be viable for ships and railways (to get electric trains past gaps in the power lines).
Also the volume is greater with sodium than lithium - though, they still will have a place in automotive - as not everyone drives a straight 6, V8 or more 🤔
The factory near Rocky Mount is about 30 to 45 minutes, give or take, from Raleigh. Raleigh-Durham is one of the top three fastest growing regions in the US.
can we change the battery of our existing ev from lithium to sodium when it is available? Would this needs to be reconfigured by the existing EV Car marker? I see a lot of opportunity for after market car servicing business. there are already a few millions EV in the market, instead of scrapping the car, if we can replace the battery, that maybe ideal.
Please give some analysis. This sounds more like a corporate marketing piece than a thoughtful evaluation of sodium-ion batteries. If there are no drawbacks at all, and Natron is the only or biggest player in America, the company would already be worth more than Tesla. Perhaps include a chart or some research on how sodium ion batteries are overcoming their inherent energy density, volume and weight disadvantages vs. lithium ion, or how they compare to lithium iron phosphate batteries?
Yes, three very important points...1. Sodium is 3X heavier at the atomic scale 2. Lithium is still far more power dense 3. The price of lithium has cratered so the cost savings is nowhere near what it used to be. Sodium may have a very bright future in stationary storage but it's a HUGE stretch to think it can replace lithium in cars, and aviation.
Sodium batteries are already in mass production in China, so this is not a new thing. They are suited for applications where weight and size is not a limiting factor
I remember when paper batteries were the next big thing. They could be manufactured in any shape and were not affected by hot or cold weather. That was about 15 years ago.
Could brine water from desalination plants be used to make sodium ion batteries? If so, this would be a two birds with one stone solution. Powering these plants with solar could further drop the price of freshwater from these plants.
Sodium batteries will have their place but they will not be completely replacing lithium. Especially in applications where weight matters. Which is quite a bit of applications. At the least it will take some of the pressure off lithium.
Sodium batteries are quite likely far better for static (stationary) installs. However, for transportation purposes, the Wh/kg of Lithium is gonna be hard to beat by Na cells!
Please provide a table of specifications. I've just watched a video on Sodium Iron batteries and still don't the most basic specs I. E Wh/kg. When discussing new battery technologies please include a table outlining the key metrics.
Hola San, te escribo desde la Argentina. Estuve investigando un poco sobre ésta batería, y según la información técnica que ellos mismos publican, el módulo de batería básico es de 25 kw, y pesa 75 kg, si está información es cierta, tendríamos que al dividir los kilovatios por el peso, nos daría una densidad energética teórica de 333 watts por kg. Si ésta información es cierta, estaríamos frente a una batería francamente excepcional en términos de prestaciones y principalmente de densidad energética. Me gustaría que tú que estás mucho más informado que yo, pudieras corroborar ésta información. Te mando un abrazo y te felicito por la cantidad y la calidad de la información que nos brindas todos los días. Gracias mi
If they're investing 1.4 billion in a manufacturing facility, it effectively means they already have the battery and it meets the required performance specifications. Thus this battery technology exists today. It's here. It exists.
This does remind me to unbreakable glass from Eastern Germany named 'Superfest'. When everyone had it, it couldn't be sold anymore. The same in in the US with a similar product with the difference that on a particular moment Steve Jobs was on front of the door and the deal they make is known under the name Gorilla Glass.
Recently, I tried to buy a 12v sodium-ion battery for domestic use. I could not find a reseller in Australia, so I had to settle on a high end Li-ion battery. After reading about the circus over DCS batteries, I wonder if I have done the right thing. I think DCS has done themselves and Li-ion batteries a power of harm by their legal attitude.
For the BEVs: Natron's BluePack Battery (that are actually sold right now it seems?) gives 25kWh and weights 75kg. That means more than 300 Wh/kg, it's a density similar to NMCs'... where's the caveat? What am I missing?
It is 75kg per 1.23kWh module they are heavy. However not much of a problem for stationary storage. I would take two 2 meter tall racks to replace the single 1.2 meter tall rack of storage I have for my house. These do seem to be extremely safe though I could see a use of distributing them around a house near large loads
@@dannelson6980 no need, locally rectified to AC and transmitted efficiently to point if use using standard houshold wiring. KISS. unless I'm missing something? DC Appliances?
back to the future: saltwater and brick ether energy storage of the waterways, star forts, star cities, and pyramids of the past. plus they knew how to frequency tune it for different purposes
A fifty year life cycle should be the main reason to drive mankind to use that technology, apart from efficiency and reliability. We need more critical technology like that to have fifty years life cycle because of our limited renewable resources. I pray that this technology become enormously successful.
I significantly doubt that SIB's will ever be used in consumer EV's, that's where SSB's will dominate. The increase in weight and smaller amount of cycles that SIB's have would prove better in Bus's, renewable energy storage, and backup power storage. Hence, SIB's will dominate in such markets. LIB's will be in our portable devices forever until there is a new technology providing even better power storage (SSB's).
I could see this being integrated into de-salination plants around the World, using the waste salt as a material for battery production that will ultimately power those very same de-salination plants
@@dsc0273 waste salt goes into the ocean causing environmental issues, with renewables and batteries this could be a workable economic symbiosis that benefits the environment that produces fresh water and materials for future batteries
@@dsc0273 Not sure what coral has to do with it for every desalination plant in the world, where I come from there is no coral but we have 3x desalinations plants, over salty discharge into the nearby ocean water does harm the environment as not all organisms cope with the higher salt
Why is there at least one story every couple of weeks or so proclaiming a new "game changing" battery technology that is going to completely transform my world. I've been hearing this stuff for several years now. So I guess my world has been completely transformed at least 50 times or so in recent years. Funny though, things still look pretty much same to me.
Isn't the long pole with batteries the other materials like nickel, cobalt, copper and manganese? I was under the impression that lithium is actually fairly earth-abundant and not really a problem.
"Game Changer" batteries... By the time they hit the individual residential market, Warp Drives on an interstellar space ships for the rich, subsidized by the unrich will be in use
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Natron is not publicly traded. Their investors are multibillion dollar corporations that have structured investment deals crafted by lawyers, that will give them part ownership in the company. Until Natron has an IPO, there’s no “safe” way for individuals to invest. Small money goes in, small money goes “poof”.
I’m really hoping that this is exactly what we are all hoping for.
This is extremely promising.
The future is SO BRIGHT and I really appreciate all the hard work Electric ⚡️ Viking puts into these videos 👍👍😁
for stationary energy storage yes, but for BEV no.
@@stefanweilhartner4415 Currently ,excuse the pun
The shipping battery has fantastic specs, including 15 minute recharge time, but it is really for stationary systems. It weights 75kg for a 1230 watt/hour battery. It is also 256x269x951mm, much larger than the equivalent Li battery. It is a product you can buy now and the new factory will ramp up production. Size and weight will keep it out of vehicles until they get much lighter/smaller.
Do you happen to know the cost?
@@dannelson6980 Their website gives a list of distributors, but none of them appear to have pricing visible. All seem to want to quote a specific job for you. Perhaps when they get enough production capacity they will be selling on the open market.
For EVs this may be useful for battery swapping.
@@franssantos9417yuk.
@@dannelson6980 $1000 for a 100 amp 12V battery
Looking forward to this coming to mass market...
they wont make it to mass market they will make it to product manufacturers then be marked up to consumer prices lol
Sodium has advantages and disadvantages.
It's always going to be heavier & less power dense this is only really going to affect sports cars. It's temperature & cost advantages will effect all vehicles.
Considering it’s only just possible to make a lithium ion battery truck - it’s not going to be possible to make a sodium ion truck battery. Sodium batteries have approx half the capacity of lithium. So that means a car currently equipped with a lithium battery, will get about half its current range.
@@sullivanrachaelI do agree it will be a ways away if possible but it’s kind of silly to say something isn’t going to be possible with a new technology. Especially since it’s so cheap to experiment on it.
Natron is sodium carbonate decahydrate, FWIW.
February 2024, Lithium fell to just over $13,000 per ton, June 2023, Sodium Carbonate cost around $290 per metric ton on the Shanghai Metals Market.
Sodium is 1000 times more abundant than Lithium. Lithium is more than 44x more expensive than Sodium. I believe the key parts of the equation is that Sodium is more price stable and cheaper.
The problem - or one of them - is sodium is more energy intensive to produce than lithium. So the raw material might be more abundant but it will cost significantly more to process than lithium. The other problem is the Sodium batteries have half the energy density. Or you need twice as many to do the same job as lithium. That’s like saying your EV will need a ton of battery rather than 500kg of battery. That means the efficiency of the vehicle is a lot less, effectively accelerating and decelerating 500kg of dead weight all the time. Not good
@@sullivanrachael yes but the energy grid needs something else than lithium that last. Sodium is not the only thing researchers are trying. They are trying to extract lignin from saw dust from saw mills and make batteries. The energy grid do not care about weight or density just that it is long lasting and can charge and discharge fast. So I guess mobile phones and cars might keep lithium.
Soduim will be a game changer for home factory use, the drop off is too big and heavy for cars, but Salt is everywhere, so price per kWh that's the game changer bit.
Wow. Very good news for America and the world with sodium.
There are currently 27 sodium-ion battery plants in some phase of construction globally but these are mostly 1-5 gig size facilities. A 24 gig sized plant would be the biggest in the world, currently.
Technologies in this field develop very fast. Building such a big factory is not wise. When it's done in 2028, the tech is already behind. Tier investment of building smaller factories every year with tech upgrade is a better path.
@@Fordance100 Perhaps, but Na-ion can be built on the same product lines of current Li-ion, which is where most of the Na-ion batteries on the market right now come from. Unless they figure out solid-state by then, which is a big if, these lines should be able to use the most current technology at the time. 24 gig is big but most large manufactures like CATL, BYD, Tesla, Panasonic, etc... have factories in the 40 to 100 gig range.
Yeah!
About time!
Finally, something we can agree on. Exciting content.
Great news a game changer
With so many applications looking for cheaper alternatives to Lithium that have no concern of weight, volume and capacity, it most certainly will.
And, if you have an eye on the Far East, already is.
Natron Energy optimized for super fast, high cycles and target critical applications like data centers. However, from what I could see in their datasheet energy density is very low. I'm concerned that they are not going to be cheap, in comparison to HiNa or CATL, that aim for an LFP comparable energy density from the start, but maybe I'm wrong and all their materials that they use in higher quantity really are that much cheaper.
Great Video Sam.
The largest present-day demand for sodium-ion batteries will be to replace data center UPS batteries. These batteries are currently replaced every two to three years. Due to cost, they typically do not use Lithium.
Sounds great, Sam! They should partner with desalinization plants for an endless supply of sodium (and other trace minerals). Solve two problems with one solution!
That’s near me, less than 20 kilometers. I wonder where they’re building? I’ll see what I can find out.
Parcel 470913266900 owned by Edgecombe County, adjacent to the Harts Mill Solar Farm off Rt 64, which feeds into a Dominion substation.
Ikr!
Sodium ion can also be improved by making them sold state.
game changer fr
Sounds bloody good out lasting the tin cars
So far, I see its application in stationary battery storage because of its low cost, safe from thermal runaway, invulnerability to sub zero and high outdoor temperature environments.
boats
@@mikepayne1350 boats are good too.
If that is true, the potential to scale the manufacturing is going to see the cost curve drop exponentially. Nice 👍
@@dandantheideasman yachts love lithium but are terrified of fire. a non flammable battery would sell like hot cakes.
@@mikepayne1350, you do realise that it's not the lithium itself that is responsible for fires, don't you? It is the cobalt in SOME Li-Ion chemistries that is responsible for fires. LFP batteries don't use cobalt and therefore, don't have the same issues with fires.
Curious. Seasonal use applications., atv suv boat lawnmower Tired of replacing lead/acid every year or two
It is fascinating to see how the competition has caught up. America has lots of talented people just like the Chinese. Let the competition continues and benefits the mankind. If you look at the Chinese history, they tend to do well in disadvantage environment where they will show their resiliency. In America, money and the enterprise spirits prevail. However, I still hope each party don't play dirty.
The cost of raw lithium may not go down much but the cost of refining will but sodium has a lot of potential. My concern is the corrosive nature of sodium will be the biggest factor concerning longevity. Unless I'm missing something we're still talking 10-15 years on average or about the same as lithium batteries.
I don’t wanna hear it until it is produced. Tired of rumors Sam. Talk about tech or battery technology or charging tech that has been produced to the mass. Keeping our hopes up.
Ikr? These seem like schemes to suck up investor or government money and then they fail and disappear.
It's not rumours. In China CATL has already started mass production of sodium ion and it's extremely cheap compared to lithium ion. The main difference is that it has a lower energy density and so not as suitable for auto applications.
Sam has reported on many sodium ion battery projects. Some of them will succeed.
What a whiny little 🤡. Of you don’t want to be informed about what is likely coming, then go watch some mind numbing videos or play with yourself. This channel is for what is coming more than what is here.
Whiny little 🐝
@@petterbirgersson4489 keyword “some”. That’s like me saying I might go back to school or will go to school versus I went back to school.
This sodium-ion battery gigafactory sounds like a huge step for clean energy! 🌍 I wonder how it will impact the price of electric vehicles in the long run. 🤔 Plus, it's cool that these batteries might be safer too! Can't wait to see how all this plays out! ⚡️
I've been saying sodium is the future over and over. Ubiqutous super charging will make it so. You will only need 300 km effective range with 5 to 10 minute 500 kW super charging. It will be game over at that point. After driving 3 hours typically most drivers require a 5 to 10 minute break. That will be their recharge time.
Been a couple months since the last miracle battery story from electric Viking. Thanks for the laughs 😂
Hope you enjoyed it!
To be fair: this might work for grid storage.
@@sbk2207 of course.
Always talking about things to come. Sam you are turning you good channel into a rumours channel
Electric ⚡ Viking's weekly 'game changing' news...
And yet nothing really changes
@@Mr11ESSE111 If even 1% of what the Electric Weirdo said was true we would already be living on Mars
to be clear, i love the show.
@@ilukac Entertained by trickery and lies ,,, bit like a circus really :)
@@tilapiadave3234latest info from many sources. The game has changed continually.😊
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I completely agree. One important factor is also fire security: As I understand they would not burst in flames when damaged, internally or externally.
Sodium is a FLAMMABLE SOLID which will ignite spontaneously in AIR or MOIST AIR and reacts violently with WATER or STEAM to produce flammable and explosive Hydrogen gas.
@@Mauricio17-x1p Wrong. You swallow sodium every day as a Kitchen Salt. Bare pure sodium is not the issue here.
Crikey, this is promising! Thank you Sam.
Just a thought, as we already have desalination plants in area's where fresh water is in short supply, could the by-product salts be used for battery manufacturing?
Good thinking:
Sodium can be harvested from the brine that is otherwise a toxic by product of desal plants. This is likely to only be cost effective in desert climate where the already concentrated brine can be further evaporated. This is similar to the way Lithium is often mined.
Cheers Sam
gotta be the way for home based battery systems. Will homes only on the grid benefit?
Sodium batteries have one disadvantage compared with Lithium. This follows from two facts -- that (a) a single Lithium ion stores more energy that a single Sodium ion, and (b) it also weighs less
That means for auto and aero power Lithium will always beat sodium.
Sodium, if cheaper, is viable for static storage (everything from a home power wall to grid stabilisers), and might be viable for ships and railways (to get electric trains past gaps in the power lines).
Also the volume is greater with sodium than lithium - though, they still will have a place in automotive - as not everyone drives a straight 6, V8 or more 🤔
yachts will love them
Wow, nice video. That sounds encouraging. Hopefully this new battery tech works out.
The factory near Rocky Mount is about 30 to 45 minutes, give or take, from Raleigh. Raleigh-Durham is one of the top three fastest growing regions in the US.
Calendar life might be the limiting factor and that will potentially be solved too. 12V Naion batteries are on my shopping list!
can we change the battery of our existing ev from lithium to sodium when it is available? Would this needs to be reconfigured by the existing EV Car marker? I see a lot of opportunity for after market car servicing business. there are already a few millions EV in the market, instead of scrapping the car, if we can replace the battery, that maybe ideal.
Please give some analysis. This sounds more like a corporate marketing piece than a thoughtful evaluation of sodium-ion batteries. If there are no drawbacks at all, and Natron is the only or biggest player in America, the company would already be worth more than Tesla. Perhaps include a chart or some research on how sodium ion batteries are overcoming their inherent energy density, volume and weight disadvantages vs. lithium ion, or how they compare to lithium iron phosphate batteries?
Yes, three very important points...1. Sodium is 3X heavier at the atomic scale 2. Lithium is still far more power dense 3. The price of lithium has cratered so the cost savings is nowhere near what it used to be. Sodium may have a very bright future in stationary storage but it's a HUGE stretch to think it can replace lithium in cars, and aviation.
Sodium batteries are already in mass production in China, so this is not a new thing. They are suited for applications where weight and size is not a limiting factor
Can't wait....Na-Ion rocks 😂
I remember when paper batteries were the next big thing. They could be manufactured in any shape and were not affected by hot or cold weather. That was about 15 years ago.
Could brine water from desalination plants be used to make sodium ion batteries? If so, this would be a two birds with one stone solution. Powering these plants with solar could further drop the price of freshwater from these plants.
These seem perfect for grid scale batteries. That would free up more lithium for car packs.
So many innovations suddenly becoming realized at the same time.
Sodium batteries will have their place but they will not be completely replacing lithium. Especially in applications where weight matters. Which is quite a bit of applications. At the least it will take some of the pressure off lithium.
Sodium is getting pumped! :-)
What do we do with all the waste chlorine?
Sodium batteries are quite likely far better for static (stationary) installs. However, for transportation purposes, the Wh/kg of Lithium is gonna be hard to beat by Na cells!
Please provide a table of specifications. I've just watched a video on Sodium Iron batteries and still don't the most basic specs I. E Wh/kg. When discussing new battery technologies please include a table outlining the key metrics.
All specs are good except for the energy density. You don't need the same as for vehicles, but some 100Wh per kg or liter. But they are far below.
I'm not finding your link to the 12v na ion batteries. Can you share it?
Always a game charging, next level, super initiative, vaporware batteries on this channel. 😂
Twice a week, there is a pointless game-changing hoax to keep the lemmings heading towards the EV appliance cliff.
Hola San, te escribo desde la Argentina. Estuve investigando un poco sobre ésta batería, y según la información técnica que ellos mismos publican, el módulo de batería básico es de 25 kw, y pesa 75 kg, si está información es cierta, tendríamos que al dividir los kilovatios por el peso, nos daría una densidad energética teórica de 333 watts por kg. Si ésta información es cierta, estaríamos frente a una batería francamente excepcional en términos de prestaciones y principalmente de densidad energética.
Me gustaría que tú que estás mucho más informado que yo, pudieras corroborar ésta información. Te mando un abrazo y te felicito por la cantidad y la calidad de la información que nos brindas todos los días. Gracias mi
If they're investing 1.4 billion in a manufacturing facility, it effectively means they already have the battery and it meets the required performance specifications. Thus this battery technology exists today. It's here. It exists.
This does remind me to unbreakable glass from Eastern Germany named 'Superfest'. When everyone had it, it couldn't be sold anymore.
The same in in the US with a similar product with the difference that on a particular moment Steve Jobs was on front of the door and the deal they make is known under the name Gorilla Glass.
I can see EVs being hybrid lithium sodium, to allow for cold climates, to warm lithium part and to use for boost to power.
So what is the catch? If Na is so much cheaper then why did everyone use Li?
Certainly potential but lets see if it happens; I like to see it hit reality before I believe it.
Game changer EV batteries.
Yes you can buy a 12v sodium battery, about 3x the cost of lead acid!
And a LiPh is slightly cheaper.
So not there yet.
Recently, I tried to buy a 12v sodium-ion battery for domestic use. I could not find a reseller in Australia, so I had to settle on a high end Li-ion battery. After reading about the circus over DCS batteries, I wonder if I have done the right thing. I think DCS has done themselves and Li-ion batteries a power of harm by their legal attitude.
How would I invest in a privately owned company?
How is the fire risk of sodium batteries, Sam?
When you fail to understand the basic physics and chemistry of the topic you're supposedly an expert on... how frustrating. What a lazy media.
Please explain
Hello mate
Finally, a game changer we had been waiting for.
It's been so many days, when It used to be one every couple of days.
Keep hunting for them Sam 😁
Lets change our underwear because the briefs have been filled.
😂😂😂
Take decades to deliver if ever. Talk big means nothing, show results first.
For the BEVs: Natron's BluePack Battery (that are actually sold right now it seems?) gives 25kWh and weights 75kg. That means more than 300 Wh/kg, it's a density similar to NMCs'... where's the caveat? What am I missing?
It is 75kg per 1.23kWh module they are heavy. However not much of a problem for stationary storage. I would take two 2 meter tall racks to replace the single 1.2 meter tall rack of storage I have for my house. These do seem to be extremely safe though I could see a use of distributing them around a house near large loads
@@dannelson6980 no need, locally rectified to AC and transmitted efficiently to point if use using standard houshold wiring. KISS. unless I'm missing something? DC Appliances?
back to the future: saltwater and brick ether energy storage of the waterways, star forts, star cities, and pyramids of the past. plus they knew how to frequency tune it for different purposes
A fifty year life cycle should be the main reason to drive mankind to use that technology, apart from efficiency and reliability. We need more critical technology like that to have fifty years life cycle because of our limited renewable resources. I pray that this technology become enormously successful.
I significantly doubt that SIB's will ever be used in consumer EV's, that's where SSB's will dominate. The increase in weight and smaller amount of cycles that SIB's have would prove better in Bus's, renewable energy storage, and backup power storage. Hence, SIB's will dominate in such markets. LIB's will be in our portable devices forever until there is a new technology providing even better power storage (SSB's).
ok, well how about taking the cart out and blowing. thatll change the game. just remember to hold reset before powering it off. if ykyk
Sounds like a Category 10 blowing hot air.
Can you really get a Sodium battery for 12V without triggering some SoH diagnosis inside the car?
remember when elon was like, blah blah blah blah batteries blah. yeah, goose egg from that dude
Almost every there are new claims of spectacular inventions, but most of it is hype.
Ah, Viking. Every day a game-changer. Falls into the category "believe it when I see it".
It is already happening in China - so it won't be long before the West joins in. 🤔
this is huge
Ohh, yes! 💪
My game keeps getting changed before I even have time to play it!
If they put them in cars , the cars will fall apart before the batteries start aging
Ooh look - another friggin game changer
Viking, you make good content. Everywhere, the future is electric. I sure hope these intransigent Americans don't miss the bus!
Screw you
I could see this being integrated into de-salination plants around the World, using the waste salt as a material for battery production that will ultimately power those very same de-salination plants
To go from a brine concentrate to a dry salt takes a lot of power and costs a lot.
@@dsc0273 waste salt goes into the ocean causing environmental issues, with renewables and batteries this could be a workable economic symbiosis that benefits the environment that produces fresh water and materials for future batteries
@@smefour it doesn't cause problems. The discharge manifold in the ocean is covered in coral.
@@dsc0273 Not sure what coral has to do with it for every desalination plant in the world, where I come from there is no coral but we have 3x desalinations plants, over salty discharge into the nearby ocean water does harm the environment as not all organisms cope with the higher salt
Why is there at least one story every couple of weeks or so proclaiming a new "game changing" battery technology that is going to completely transform my world. I've been hearing this stuff for several years now. So I guess my world has been completely transformed at least 50 times or so in recent years. Funny though, things still look pretty much same to me.
Small steps but constant change.😊
Disappointed, I was hoping Natron would build their second plant in Michigan.
Great news.
With this tech., battery powered ocean going vessel looks feasible.
The new miracle battery of the week!!! Just wait ’til NEXT WEEK!!
Isn't the long pole with batteries the other materials like nickel, cobalt, copper and manganese? I was under the impression that lithium is actually fairly earth-abundant and not really a problem.
Jai Hind. What about Indian Feradium?
With these you get more bang for your buck and less bang for your OPPSie.
This is awesome, can’t wait till everyone house has one for storage.
This is also a great idea 💡 Weight, Volume and Ionic capacity are irrelevant in station applications. Nice 👍
First sodium (Na +), then Aluminium (Al 3+).
"Game Changer" batteries...
By the time they hit the individual residential market,
Warp Drives on an interstellar space ships for the rich, subsidized by the unrich will be in use
Viking, my neighbor says China is going to run their cars on Thorium/electric!
It could be the game changer that ends fossil fuel generation.