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КОМЕНТАРІ • 535

  • @sherrybrissette1614
    @sherrybrissette1614 Рік тому +1187

    I downloaded this house yesterday and put a large group of eligible bachelors in it. Presto... instant neighbors for my sims!

    • @WayneSims4ever
      @WayneSims4ever Рік тому +63

      Thats a brilliant idea. For 100 baby challenge as well.

    • @GeorgiaKateB
      @GeorgiaKateB Рік тому +14

      An AMAZING idea

    • @poop5018
      @poop5018 Рік тому +13

      @@WayneSims4ever OH YES ESPECIALLY FOR 100 BABY CHALLENGE

    • @gloomyscribbles
      @gloomyscribbles Рік тому +15

      how to make a harem anime 101:

    • @HopeIsADrug11037
      @HopeIsADrug11037 Рік тому +2

      @@gloomyscribbles LMAO

  • @whoisu254
    @whoisu254 Рік тому +634

    I forgot you can’t normally place elevators and use it in the sims 4. I have this mod that lets me use them, highly recommend it.

    • @fluovite
      @fluovite Рік тому +29

      What's the name of the mod? I've been looking for something like that for a while and I haven't found a functional one 😅

    • @LAURA---
      @LAURA--- Рік тому +53

      @@fluovite “WEE working elevators everywhere” by littlemssam is the one I know of 👍🏼

    • @ritagagne7230
      @ritagagne7230 Рік тому +24

      @@fluovite ravasheen has a working elevator mod on their site.

    • @tyciendawarren2445
      @tyciendawarren2445 Рік тому +13

      Lucky 🥺🙂 I play on my PS4. And you know us console players. Don't get CC ! 🖤✌🏾

    • @callietowers7515
      @callietowers7515 Рік тому

      I made an apartment with a kinda working elevator yesterday and it’s pretty good no CC. Hehe my gallery ID is collie174 if you guys wanna check it out.

  • @malami4891
    @malami4891 Рік тому +1833

    Happy Christmas everyone! I know that most of you celebrate on 25th, but I celebrate today! Warm wishes from Poland ❤🎄

    • @LanaLycan23
      @LanaLycan23 Рік тому +26

      Thank you, but i don’t celebrate ❤

    • @birthofvenus
      @birthofvenus Рік тому +28

      merry christmas from mexico 💗💗

    • @aloha_lax
      @aloha_lax Рік тому +26

      merry christmas!
      (from the USA) :)

    • @lowadonning9583
      @lowadonning9583 Рік тому +35

      Happy holidays from Finland💕🎅

    • @fresshberries
      @fresshberries Рік тому +18

      Warm wishes from France and Portugal ! 🎄🎊

  • @brandoniswhoiam
    @brandoniswhoiam Рік тому +884

    Kayla has the power and influence to convince EA to let us make apartments, and give us a separate Apartment Lot Type.
    Edit: she did it.

    • @meetaverma8372
      @meetaverma8372 Рік тому +34

      Yeah, with elevators

    • @brandoniswhoiam
      @brandoniswhoiam Рік тому +15

      @@meetaverma8372, more than one.

    • @WinxAliNelCielo
      @WinxAliNelCielo Рік тому +2

      @@brandoniswhoiam Hi

    • @pnutqpublic
      @pnutqpublic Рік тому +8

      watch them try to buy her off with building the next apartment building for the next apartment pack

    • @AurosOrion
      @AurosOrion Рік тому +23

      And like, look how easy this was! It would literally be so easy to just make this an apartment lot type. It can't possibly be that difficult to code into the game. If they made the university dorms and high schools customizable, they totally can for us to make custom apartments.

  • @craftgamer09
    @craftgamer09 Рік тому +385

    I like filling my sims worlds with apartments so I can fill them with so many sims without them having 8 sims in a one bedroom house

  • @isaiahzeien6503
    @isaiahzeien6503 9 місяців тому +28

    This aged so well! December 7th can’t come fast enough!

  • @PotatoAsh
    @PotatoAsh Рік тому +57

    Sims 2 really did have the best apartment system. Completely-customizable apartment lots, up to 4 playable households in one lot (the rest will have unplayable townies live in them), it was the best.

    • @this_is_beanstalk
      @this_is_beanstalk Рік тому +3

      sims 2 was really the superior game. it was all in the details.

  • @devontrizio9783
    @devontrizio9783 8 місяців тому +18

    Here we are 10 months later and were getting apartments Kayla you really do have the power and influence to convince EA to create everything we want, so now i ask you to manifest spiral stairs PLEASE!!!!

  • @yuhhbiscuit
    @yuhhbiscuit Рік тому +226

    I say this all the time but I wish the sims team added the apartment lot type so you could make your own apartments. It was such a missed opportunity with city living.

  • @tasiamanhenje
    @tasiamanhenje 8 місяців тому +40

    Well, this video aged well. 😂

  • @jessicabooth1122
    @jessicabooth1122 Рік тому +41

    apartments really could do with a refresh, we cant even put them on the gallery. let us move and change windows/front door, change the wall height, etc. even if they added an apartment lot type! it would be a dreaaam

  • @haleytorres7958
    @haleytorres7958 Рік тому +362

    I just wish the apartment’s in city living were short wall height 😩

    • @adismhadismh
      @adismhadismh Рік тому +28

      seriously! or at the very least medium. i usually use medium and then add a platform base, as from a simsie video, so it's between a short and medium wall height

    • @Anastasia-kl6ig
      @Anastasia-kl6ig Рік тому +5

      yes! like why are the tiny apartment super tall?? it looks so weird

    • @YouKnowImOnMyPeriodYah
      @YouKnowImOnMyPeriodYah Рік тому +7

      I seriously cannot stand when people use tall wall height for anything that’s not a grand castle or a fancy public lot. Medium I typically use for mansions or Victorian homes, short height is for EVERYTHING ELSE. Why tf is a cheap apartment tall wall height? the math is not mathing 🤦🏾‍♀️

  • @defnotobsessedwithpjo
    @defnotobsessedwithpjo Рік тому +38

    The elevator thing is so annoying, usually I just sort of draw inspiration from The Big Bang Theory and put stairs around the elevator and pretend it’s broken 😂

  • @hallowtide93
    @hallowtide93 Рік тому +34

    It would be interesting to see an apartment build with businesses on the ground floor. Like a restaurant, childcare, grocery store and/or a bookstore.

    • @kayleewilliams1595
      @kayleewilliams1595 Рік тому +1

      YES

    • @jahboy98
      @jahboy98 Рік тому +1

      I turned one into a cafe/ with 3 Apartments with a pool and laundry and recreation backyard just for the roommates but I wish we had our own apartment lot and tools

  • @ndhlau
    @ndhlau Рік тому +140

    can we just talk about how much effort lilsimsie puts to post everyday

    • @coolpumpkins453
      @coolpumpkins453 Рік тому +7

      It’s her job

    • @miraclerat
      @miraclerat Рік тому +7

      @@coolpumpkins453 her job is not to post a video everyday it’s to make content, the fact that she does it everyday just shows the effort she puts in and it should be noticed and congratulated

  • @ilovesheryterry
    @ilovesheryterry 9 місяців тому +4

    It’s hard to explain how REALISTIC and GOOD this build looks. Where I’m from new buildings are built in that same style. I’m so exited for the new expansion!

  • @user-kh8tk3kv5o
    @user-kh8tk3kv5o 8 місяців тому +6

    The way this video is the Inspiration for the For Rent pack. Shared spaces, 6 units, ik Kayla has an impact on community wants

  • @nicoispunk_
    @nicoispunk_ 8 місяців тому +5

    i like watching back those old videos and seeing simsie get what she wanted ever since

  • @BrillianceoftheMoon
    @BrillianceoftheMoon Рік тому +5

    I really hope in The Sims 5 that we get the ability to zone areas- like we can have a lot with we can zone some of it as a retail store, a section as a cafe, and a section as residential. I would love to be able to create apartments above stores and have sims actually have it as their primary address. It would allow us to build our own apartment blocks, and we could separate the areas using this sort of method. Building custom apartments are always so fun! Thoroughly enjoyed this video!

  • @Bella-lf2md
    @Bella-lf2md 9 місяців тому +6

    It being fully functional now and her really expressing how badly she wants it 😂😂

  • @x_beatsperminute_x1232
    @x_beatsperminute_x1232 9 місяців тому +5

    Now that For Rent is on it's way it's time to get some inspiration on how to build apartments! 😊

  • @marrr_love712
    @marrr_love712 Рік тому +86

    i wish i could build apartments but i don’t have any of the packs with the apartments😭😭

    • @nadiabouk8712
      @nadiabouk8712 Рік тому +26

      She’s built another custom apartment building before that uses just the base game!

    • @jasminlucas2226
      @jasminlucas2226 Рік тому +7

      if you're looking for a cheaper way to buy those packs, i use CDKeys which sells the codes for packs cheaper than EA and i've never had any problem with it :)

    • @mangoarcher3298
      @mangoarcher3298 Рік тому +5

      The packs with the apartments don'tet you build custom apartments either, you can only build and furnish within pre-existing buildings. So, not that gret

  • @tristonanan
    @tristonanan Рік тому +26

    Hear me out! Custom "elevator" that's just a room with a ladder. It looks like an elevator from the outside but inside you just take the ladder. I might look into this!

    • @YouKnowImOnMyPeriodYah
      @YouKnowImOnMyPeriodYah Рік тому +5

      Man, that’s just a really f*cked up troll for disabled people
      Imagine being in a wheelchair and the doors open up to a ladder 💀💀

  • @infinitelytired3721
    @infinitelytired3721 Рік тому +49

    An apartment lot type I think would be easy to implement. It still wouldn't be like San Myshuno at all but they could like have some simple math tied to the bills, so like when you're building the lot in the menu you would select how many apartments there are, and divide the bills by that number. So if your bills were for example $800, but you're living on an apartment lot with 4 apartments, you would only have to pay $200. It'd also work well for duplexes and townhouses, or even just regular houses with roommates, since the roommates are kind of sort of freeloaders who occasionally give you their pocket change and call it rent.
    They could also like you know how on a scale you can like place like a bowl or something on it, and then set it to zero so it only measures anything you add after that point? A system where you could set the lot cost to zero after building the apartment, and the other apartments you aren't using would work well too.
    Or it couldn't be easy, because I don't know how coding games works lol.

    • @rachelvmayhill
      @rachelvmayhill Рік тому +1

      That sounds like an amazing idea

    • @alicynsenior4952
      @alicynsenior4952 Рік тому +3

      I think what would he hardest with this is being able to have multiple households on one lot because if we couldn’t do that with apartment buildings then it would be dumb

    • @infinitelytired3721
      @infinitelytired3721 Рік тому +2

      ​@@alicynsenior4952 I don't think it's completely dumb since people are playing in these fake apartments currently and just pretending they're real, but it is dumb that EA couldn't just implement an apartment building feature in the first place which restricted apartments to only two worlds (at first we thought San Myshuno would be the only apartment world). Either way it's just a simple idea to make people's gameplay a little easier, it'd probably work better as a mod rather than an actual implementation to the game anyways since EA would likely get backlash for not just letting us build apartments in the first place. :D

  • @lisa06810
    @lisa06810 Рік тому +7

    So glad Dan's family is coming for a visit...I hope they weren't counting on warm weather, I live about an hour from Orlando and it's literally freezing here. Hopefully its a little warmer down there... Merry Christmas !!!

  • @eazyedd63
    @eazyedd63 Рік тому +15

    As a NY-er, this is amazing and super realistic! I’ll have to see what packs are needed before I try to download it. But can’t wait for the next video on this build! ❤😊

  • @jessdescriptive524
    @jessdescriptive524 8 місяців тому +6

    so this can totally be on the for rent game now

  • @rllyrosie
    @rllyrosie Рік тому +6

    merry Christmas Eve!
    KAYLA PEASE MAKE A SERIES OF MAKING EACH ROOM IN THIS APARTMENT THAT WOULD BE SOOO COOL

  • @user-zv5yy7oh9u
    @user-zv5yy7oh9u 9 місяців тому +12

    This aged well hehe

  • @ottaviapoti6626
    @ottaviapoti6626 8 місяців тому +6

    Please can you go back to this end finish it for the new expantion? I'd love to have it in my game

  • @soysauce715
    @soysauce715 Рік тому +6

    I LOVE how different the kitchen layouts are especially the one with the fridge and counter nook

  • @laurashenton7098
    @laurashenton7098 8 місяців тому +3

    Re found this! Great one to use 🤞when it comes out.

  • @casey54321
    @casey54321 Рік тому +10

    I also really dislike how huge the apartments in City Living are. I want my sims to suffer in a 250sq ft bachelor unit that costs $1500 per month.

  • @laurakarr29
    @laurakarr29 Рік тому +3

    I love this, the exterior is so authentic. It's just a small thing but the color-coded walls are so nice.

  • @LuChii13
    @LuChii13 Рік тому +2

    I love that all the apartments are different so you can make diferent famlies and stories in them, so much inspiration

  • @cristiansmith6877
    @cristiansmith6877 Рік тому +9

    Ur builds have been improving ALOT and im here for it

  • @dietsnowflake
    @dietsnowflake Рік тому +2

    1:45 this reminds me of when my sim family lived in a 2 story house, and the bathrooms on both floors had “kitchen counters” to fit sinks on, and the AMOUNT of times my sims cooked on the BATHROOM COUNTERS 💀💀💀💀

  • @Sarah-zo2ie
    @Sarah-zo2ie Рік тому +28

    If you like furnishing small apartments so much, you should try building a Japanese studio apartment. They’re so small it’s insane and I think it would be fun

    • @anais.s7656
      @anais.s7656 Рік тому +4

      i've dowloaded one where the creator squeezed the micro apartment between 2 debug buildings, realistic AF and very well done i loved it even tho it was so small

  • @giffiengo5729
    @giffiengo5729 Рік тому +2

    OK but this is such a realistic floorplan for a modern apartment complex in Australia! I’m obsessed with the third floor tiny apartments 😍

  • @RoPerson
    @RoPerson Рік тому +3

    I live in a neighborhood with a lot of buildings and I wish that my apartment building had at least one small community room. Also, the mailboxes are on the outside irl bc mail people can't come in. And every apartment floor tends to be the same exactly although people do get to pick their own floor so every floor is different. But I'm in another country and I guess I don't live in Miami ☹️

  • @AudreyNotHepburn
    @AudreyNotHepburn 8 місяців тому +2

    iconic how this just appeared on my feed

  • @carissadortch205
    @carissadortch205 Рік тому +11

    It's crazy how we could do so much more in older versions of the game! I still don't get why an updated version is so limited.

  • @aislinnmcnamar5837
    @aislinnmcnamar5837 Рік тому +2

    I love that you upload every day, but don’t worry if you end up missing a day or two. The holiday season is so busy, I wouldn’t be offended at all

  • @miratrux4415
    @miratrux4415 Рік тому +2

    I feel like it would be so good in the sims to have an Apartment with Get to work and you can have your own apartment and NPC's can live there!

  • @bonnigans8014
    @bonnigans8014 Рік тому +1

    I was thinking it reminded me of apartments I see in Miami like what they’re building near Wynwood. I like this build a lot!

  • @zackw7609
    @zackw7609 Рік тому

    Happy Holidays Simsie and all simmers! Hope your day is filled with love and warmness with all those you love and cherish!

  • @markabele8794
    @markabele8794 Рік тому

    Merry Christmas Kayla. I love this build and I look forward to seeing you furnish it and use it in an LP.

  • @louisforlibertarian
    @louisforlibertarian 7 місяців тому +6

    Revisiting from 2024, and now you can do it!

  • @Xenite
    @Xenite 9 місяців тому

    OMG, I came here to say I'm definitely downloading this and dropping it on a lot in December! Lil Simsie is a soothsayer!

  • @foranzo1582
    @foranzo1582 Рік тому

    This looks absolutely fantastic!! The way you used platforms is very creative, I wanna steal some ideas myself. I also love the decorative Eco Lifestyle poles (?) at 3:57 - it makes the building look more attractive!! I also love how you split the place so it's not a copy-paste through all 4 floors. Don't worry about the packs - we have jobs for a reason. At least the place looks good with them!! C:

  • @kennedygrant8152
    @kennedygrant8152 5 місяців тому +7

    you should furnish this build now with the Rent pack!!!!

  • @animalcrossingnerd8142
    @animalcrossingnerd8142 Рік тому +3

    You could make a fake elevator with a ladder inside.

  • @littolbug8627
    @littolbug8627 Рік тому

    this is such a good idea for all my family, so theyre not all split up around the world/not in the world !! then its easier to visit them all

  • @emma.l
    @emma.l Рік тому

    I love this! The small apartments are my favourite too, they're much more realistic!

  • @danielas676
    @danielas676 Рік тому

    i am so excited to see you furnish this building. It looks amazing!

  • @KeViNMCMXXCIX
    @KeViNMCMXXCIX Рік тому

    Merry Christmas! That apartment looks so pretty! Nice and realistic floorplans as well. The Sims Team should definitely make this a thing and be able to get separate Sims families in it.
    I do think since the room mates is a thing they might even be working on making this a legit thing. That would be so good!

  • @gwynethm1
    @gwynethm1 Рік тому

    Merry Christmas, Simsie! Thank you for all the amazing content! You make my day, every day! 👍😊

  • @Rforriot27
    @Rforriot27 Рік тому

    I love this. And I have made a “apartment” like build as dorms for uni students household(when my sim was going) and that was really fun!

  • @sandydunsford4242
    @sandydunsford4242 Рік тому

    I'm so excited to decorate this whole thing! Thank you for building it for us!

  • @Bonny85
    @Bonny85 Рік тому

    I love this building! Merry Christmas to you ❤

  • @President.Elect_OFFICIALS_YT
    @President.Elect_OFFICIALS_YT Рік тому +1

    Marry Christmas and a Happy New Year lilsimsie and to everyone too!!!

  • @lorenerd11
    @lorenerd11 Рік тому

    There's actually a trick you can use to place multiple elevators on the same lot, by simply using a room with the elevator from the Gallery.
    I think it's even functional, meaning Sims will use them to get to other elevators on the lot, although they're sadly not animated and Sims will simply phase in and out.
    And it doesn't check whether each elevator is lined up into a single column either, so make sure there's only one elevator on each floor, each of them lined up with each other.

  • @LKBRICKS1993
    @LKBRICKS1993 Рік тому +2

    Nice build hope you have a great Christmas.

  • @sigyn03able
    @sigyn03able Рік тому

    I loved watching this, and i'm really curious to watch you decorate them

  • @rebeccawicker6207
    @rebeccawicker6207 Рік тому

    We have four buildings. A pool, library, two gyms and two viewing rooms. Our complex is insane. (We live here sort of by default it’s a whole story, we feel like we live in a hotel sometimes) I get the luxury vibe!! ❤❤❤

  • @pazzieanneknexx809
    @pazzieanneknexx809 Рік тому

    I was watching this video and all of these ideas popped up in my head!! Maybe a couple that wants to start a family moves in, a single person, a single parent and their child... So many possibilities! (They'd all be in the same household, so I would have to be mindful of the 8 person limit, but I digress.)

  • @sojourn5606
    @sojourn5606 Рік тому

    Happy Holidays everyone! Merry Christmas Kayla🎊

  • @jennyjenq
    @jennyjenq Рік тому

    Merry Christmas Kayla, and thank you for all the awesome videos you do! I enjoy them very much! 🎄🎅🤶⛄

  • @jnjenki
    @jnjenki Рік тому

    Watching this from my New York apartment - Merry Christmas!

  • @EmpressEmbeth
    @EmpressEmbeth Рік тому

    You did such a great job on this build! Literally, my jaw dropped when I saw the finished product. It sucks that the game makes apartments so non-functional, but I loved the first "furnishing" video and hope you do more!

  • @moon.x.x
    @moon.x.x Рік тому

    merry christmas :) i can’t wait for the individual apartments

  • @sarahbee1205
    @sarahbee1205 Рік тому

    Merry Christmas simsie! Sincerely, your BIGGEST fan!!

  • @NikkiM93
    @NikkiM93 Рік тому +1

    When I play with fake apartments I do a household of many sims but only control mine haha, thats kinda what Im doing now with a motel. I loved your apartment building!

  • @Godlovesyou107
    @Godlovesyou107 Рік тому +2

    Merry Christmas everybody! Hope everybody has a good Christmas and anybody that doesn’t celebrate christmas happy holidays!

  • @HarrisonGnome
    @HarrisonGnome Рік тому +1

    This is one of my favorite lilsimsie builds, totally not biased 👀

  • @kinseyb7017
    @kinseyb7017 Рік тому

    looks great kayla! merry christmas!

  • @thisisnotthechannelyourelo407

    You did a great job with this! Love the little car park on the side too

  • @Quehipchip
    @Quehipchip Рік тому

    literally yesterday i needed this for one of my families. thank u

  • @ChristopherHovis
    @ChristopherHovis Рік тому

    Happy holidays everyone

  • @selinakyle621
    @selinakyle621 Рік тому

    Happy holidays everyone 💕

  • @reis794
    @reis794 Рік тому

    merry christmas from scotland everyone!!!

  • @paula.cosplay
    @paula.cosplay Рік тому

    Merry christmas from germany everyone !!! ❤

  • @ground-mister-y8993
    @ground-mister-y8993 Рік тому +4

    We dream of that too T_T
    I had the same issue. One of my sim wanted to cook (despite his own counters were available) on the downstairs "neighbor" 's counters even with locked doors, da hell whyyyy? 🤦🏻‍♂
    11:55 don't worry Kayla, you look fine and, most important thing, STAY SAFE and enjoy the holidays! 🎄

  • @tracysweatt5401
    @tracysweatt5401 Рік тому

    Ooh! I definitely want to see a fully furnished version!
    Maybe we need a fun Simsie furnish challenge! Instead of a shell challenge, I’d love to see how you and other builders would decorate or alter this apartment building!

  • @julianadoraciotto3334
    @julianadoraciotto3334 Рік тому

    This video was so fun to watch!!

  • @qsyla1117
    @qsyla1117 Рік тому

    Merry Christmas everyone!

  • @piq4543
    @piq4543 Рік тому

    Thank you, Simsie 🥰 you always give us daily content

  • @ashleighlillith1154
    @ashleighlillith1154 Рік тому +6

    I love it!!! I want to play in it... Oh and merry xmas

  • @notyournormalg1
    @notyournormalg1 Рік тому

    Merry Christmas Lil simsie!

  • @opallise2605
    @opallise2605 Рік тому +1

    I totally share your frustrations! I miss Sims 2 so much because of this (... and businesses). 😥

  • @alanah9535
    @alanah9535 Рік тому +1

    Merry Christmas everyone lilsimsie I’m one of you biggest fans and I hope you see this 🎄

  • @YikesItsYaaks
    @YikesItsYaaks Рік тому

    12:21 instead of "Dan's family" i first understood "dance family" and was like "what show is that thats coming to america?" lmao 😭😭😭😭 its 4am and im just wtaching kayla while plaiyng sims myself lmao

  • @SHYANNE-BACH
    @SHYANNE-BACH Рік тому

    MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE, I HOPE YOU HAVE A GREAT CHRISTMAS AND IF YOU DONT CELEBRATE, HAPPY HOLIDAYS HAVE A GREAT DAY!

  • @Itssooupy
    @Itssooupy Рік тому

    I have never seen those sunflowers on the road in Evergreen Harbour before! Not sure how they show up but they are really atmospheric and cute.

  • @alice-mc8ki
    @alice-mc8ki Рік тому

    merry christmas Kayla!!!

  • @peytonlynne
    @peytonlynne Рік тому +5

    merry christmas kayla! thank you for all of your content. we all appreciate you.

  • @obsoletepixels
    @obsoletepixels Рік тому +3

    "You can't build apartments in the sims." I know she meant The Sims 4 but I can't help but think about The Sims 2 Apartment Life because it literally lets you do just that and have up to four families live there.

  • @pinkpeachblossom
    @pinkpeachblossom Рік тому +1

    I'm currently furnishing them as a rainbow solid color challenge! Each apartment is themed after a different color of the rainbow!

  • @Jen-ec6mj
    @Jen-ec6mj Рік тому

    Well, I think it's pretty realistic since there are many apartments where you need to walk up four floors. Theres still so many without lifts. And in my student apartment I need to walk across the whole campus to get to the laundry room. So in conclusion, your build is perfect ^^

  • @Lizziel23
    @Lizziel23 Рік тому

    Love your wishful thinking about the weather when in reality dans family got a colder Christmas in Orlando than they would have in London