Tenured Historians of the Golden Calf | Doug Wilson
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- Опубліковано 18 жов 2024
- In this episode of Blog & Mablog, Pastor Doug Wilson discusses that persistent phrase "the separation of church and state. When we say that we are in favor of a separation of church and state, what are we saying exactly? Whatever do we mean by it? Or if we were to carelessly toss out Jefferson’s phrase “wall of separation,” as though we knew what we were saying, and someone were to press us on where that wall was located precisely, what would we say? It would separate what from what? In a frenzy of enthusiasm, we “built the wall.” What are we keeping out? Does anybody know?
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The sound of Doug roasting David French on a spit is a comforting sound.
I think k I learned more from this than any other American history class.
SOLI DEO GLORIA!
Ditto!
exactly. i think the point of public school social studies isn't actually learning
The reflections on the scale of time were very good and helpful. When my grandmother was born (and she is still alive at 96-years-old) it wasn't hard to find a Civil War veteran. Our history is incredibly short when you think about it, which means the speed of change has also been remarkable, which means that change may also be unstable.
There are a couple fascinating video clips from the '50s on UA-cam that drive this home. Both are from the "I've Got a Secret" program. One is an elderly gentleman who was a young boy in the audience of Ford's Theater the night Lincoln was assassinated. The other was two sisters -- again elderly -- whose grandfather fought in the Revolutionary War. I was born in 1951 ... my life overlaps theirs.
The last Civil War pensioner died only two years ago, and there were still 32 children of Civil War soldiers still living as of 2014.
The speed of transition is not the issue. The direction is
Time after time, I’m blown away by Pastor Doug’s ability to be so biblical and poignant. If people would just stop and listen to what he is saying, they would realize how remarkably spot on his analysis is of the times we find ourselves in. I honestly don’t know anyone else with such a robust biblical worldview.
Love it: 'cows are powerful man'!
Its 4:30 in the morning and my Family is/was asleep, i reach that statement and gave a pretty loud chuckle. Thanks be to GOD for all these great Gifts
This was great. Doug needs to do more episodes on the Christian roots of America. There are far too many videos on UA-cam from the golden calf historians. It would be great if he could do a weekly episode on this. Even a 5-minute weekly video would be a step in the right direction (although longer would be great too).
Definitely using the word 'bumfuzzled' from now on. Every day.
Yea and amen! For those who haven't read it, may I commend to you the marvelous book, "America's Providential History." I read it aloud to my three sons as part of homeschool last year. It's well worth the time. 💪🇺🇸
Thank you for the book reference. And God bless you for the strength and the wherewithal to homeschool your children. A choice my wife and I, regretfully, did not make. Education is not neutral. It is meant to produce something. Your choice seems the only one that young parents can make these days to avoid the propagandized public school system. May God bless and strengthen and protect your family.
I think the Lord for removing the veil that the world has put over or tries to put over people's brains, eyes to see and ears to hear. Thank you Doug for being part of the spirit's work in this area!
Wow, remarkable to consider how much can change in such a brief span of time, just a generation or two. This was a great piece. Bothers me so much when people claim our nation was not founded on Christian principles, or that church and state means untethering our governing completely from Christianity and the Word of God, AKA, morals. It's happening now and we are reaping the consequences, but as you have pointed out it doesn’t have to be too late.
Thanks Doug for this eye opener to see we r a backslidden nations and praying the Lord will bring in a Josiah to bring in reformation, which he will do in his time. Hasten that day Lord.
Love your politics Doug! You should run for office. And thank you for the free stuff.
"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule". H. L. Mencken (1932).
Mencken was talking about politics but the same applies to religion.
This was awesome! Thank you!
I appreciate this so much! Thank you
This one’s going to leave a mark. Thank you, Pastor.
Will have to listen a different time. My brain is fried of late. Thanks again to Canon for the digital goodies!
2 other peer reviewed calves.
Doug, you’re on fire! Burn those calves down.
It’s like how your sandwich and your glass of water are separate on the dinner table during lunch. Just because it is wise to keep the glass of water separate from the sandwich doesn’t mean that there is no water in the sandwich. It doesn’t mean that all of the ingredients in the sandwich must be thoroughly dehydrated of all their water, like processing a grape into a raisin.
That's actually a really good metaphor. Thanks. I bet I'll use that in future.
Catholic here! Really enjoyed this one! That bit about the WELS Lutherans was funny
PT,....The cult of catholicism has nothing whatsoever to do with the Christianity of Jesus and the Bible.
@@shadowbannedforspeakingtru1436 ironic, considering the Catholic church is the original church of Christ, and entirely biblical
@@Kenfren
Absolutely Not.
Awesome video Doug!
Love me some Dougie!!
Bravo.
Excellent
This monologue is 🔥
We are not only a nation divided but individuals divided.
God I love No Quarter November
Man… MAN… I love it too … MAN (ahem) ..
@@toughbiblepassages9082lol-) verrry well said.
CHRIST Is indeed KING. Why did You put "God" at the beginning, Friend?
This is so good.
One Nation Under God
“But the question of WHO brought them out of Egypt, Ah… that was a matter upon which scholars differed.” Haha
This is fantastic. So good. I really hope today’s election serves to move America back towards being and acting like a Christian nation.
Interested to hear your opinion about the seeker sensitive movement, to include “Christian music” being transformed into modern music, and it’s relationship to the golden calf. If there be any relationship.
Good stuff!
"Kantian lug nuts" indeed. We Americans are thoroughly committed to the moral imperative--and pridefully so--whatever that might be.
I just came across where Cicero says that moral goodness is the requirement for achieving happiness. It sounds so close to we have an unalienable right to the "pursuit of happiness."
‘’Blessed is the Nation whose God is the Lord’’ Psalm 33:12
MJC,.....Which nation would that be?
@@shadowbannedforspeakingtru1436 Certainly not America in this time period- maybe it was blessed in the early days of our founding fathers.
@@mary-janechambers3596 ,....Correct. America is not and never was always a 100% ungodly nation. It was founded by ungodly men who were God haters and were freemasons. America was the rebirth of Babylon. It is the deadly wound that was healed. America was always, is now, and will always be a 100% ungodly nation.
There is no Godly nation and there never was. All mankind has always been 100% opposed to and adverse to God and his was and his laws. This is why God calls mankind the devil and satan. The only Godly nation is the spiritual nation of the true believers. Those few who are scattered all across the plane of the earth that have nothing to do with any church.
@@shadowbannedforspeakingtru1436 Any and every nation. All are required to "Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and you perish in the way, for his wrath is quickly kindled. Blessed are all who take refuge in him." Psalm 2.
Doug, the people deserve or choose the government that the people themselves are. We’ve heard this many times, and the people have fallen, not the government.
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God is my God. He scares me to death, but I love Him.
Ad hoc - ramshackle - government we are there now.
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Jefferson's "wall of separation" was not about religious power vs government power, it was a rejection of a state religion, or a state-sponsored religion.
True; and ONLY on the Federal level.
@@IronCavalier that is the key, as most states already had official state religions; in that context "rejection of state religion" makes no sense
@@Zaloomination truth.
@@IronCavalier it’s an asinine idea. The notion that state theocracy is somehow better than federal theocracy because of subsidiarity is pointless. Either the government is Christian or it is not. You cannot have a secular federal government but have Christian states. Christ is king over the ENTIRE USA. Simple as that.
@@mosesking2923 That ISN’T what I was saying nor the Founders. They did it the way they did it so that the individual states were sovereign in how they worshipped. Like Doug says in the video it is perfect either as the states had majorities of one denomination, there were still many that weren’t. So, in Virginia, you paid the tax to the Anglican Church, but could be a Baptist. But, they had state religions. They had religious litmus tests and you had to profess belief in the Bible, the belief in eternal punishment, etc. to even hold office.
I know with all the lies of the Golden Calf theologians today preaching their heresy it is hard to get to the truth and really hard to accept it, that is the way the Founders set it up. The Federal government (not states) be chained down by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
Oh! And the Federal government wasn’t intended to be secular as the lie is told. Just filled with all of the different denominations of those who would represent their states.
Thank you for this, Mr Wilson. It is appreciated. However, without the "Reformation of Christianity" in the 1500’s there would not even be a need for that discussion. The Catholic model (aka „sanity“) provided for a rightful and healthy separation of Church and State - the control of the former over the latter, if need be. It was the reformators who sold Christianity to the Nobles, from the Count of Hessia to the King of England. Their ideas and theology was so important to them as to submit to local rulers and give them sway over church matters. Only the subsequent injustice and total control of worldly rulers over people made the separation of Church and State necessary. Before this, Bishops and Popes (who had not dynastic interests and could thus, ideally, not always practically) sacrifice themselves to protect the souls of people. The King of England (or even the Catholic King of France) could not do that due to the Christian nationalism of their times. I do not think that we need Christian nationalism. We need the Church and a State. And we need ONE Church under ONE Head. Otherwise we cannot stand up to ONE state under ONE Head. And there the buck comes back to you Protestant people: What do you really want? God save us from a theocracy. We need Christian men running the state. Yes. And a Christian man as a Pope who is a counterbalance to any other ruler. For that we need ONE church. How would it be to have a Calvinist dogmatist as President without a separation of Church and State? Soon the tabernacles would be thrown out from the Catholic Churches as they were in former centuries. Which does not mean personal faith should not determine action and voting. Absolutely. But the state must not have a role in establishing a religion. That is what the separation of state was meant to guarantee. And I agree.
On the "no religious test" clause, the Founders were aware that Jews existed in the United States and it seems clear the clause would have applied to them, not just among Christian denominations. In fact, many states had clauses, as I understand it, that specifed that state office holders should be Christians buit neutral as to the denomination of Christian. All the Founders would have had to add is to say that there could be no religious test "other than an affirmation that Jesus Christ is Lord" (or something similar) and there would them be a filter.
Similarly, Virginia's statute for religious liberty (penned by Jefferson and passed into law a year before the Constiitution was written) was explained by Jefferson as offering religious freedom to “the Jew, the Gentile, the Christian, the Mahometan, the Hindoo, and [the] infidel of every denomination.” Again, they seemed to be aware of these other religions in Virginia (and surely Madison as father of the Constitution) was. And George Washington, while President and before the ratification of the first amendment, wrote a letter to a Rhode Island syngogue affirming that, though a minority, American Jews would “possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship.”
So they seem to be aware of non-Christians and still wrote a clearly absolute provision on religious tests. I can see a strong argument that they were wrong to do so, but not that they thought it would only apply to Christians seeking federal office. (I am not under any illusion that the Founders on the whole had especially high opinions of non-Christians, but they surely were aware that that clause could have applied to them and still chose to leave the wording as is.)
Would anyone in the Washington press corp ask a liberal candidate, "How might your belief of Darwinian evolution affect your action in office?"
As much as I like this, I think America’s huge modern, diverse population was not addressed at all. There simply are so many more people today than yesterday.
Objection, relevance
This winks to some David Barton history lessons...
As a Presbyterian, Wilson must be a Calvinist, right?
So, IF we are to use the word "Christian" as applying to a nation (whereas the Bible only uses it of individual persons or distributively of a collection of individuals), then we might do well to ask how a Calvinist sees how a genuinely "Christian" nation could fall away and lose its Christian identity, when he does not believe that is a possibility for a genuine Christian individual.
Your question is based on the false and mistaken assumption that the Christianity of a nation/culture is based on the population’s faith. That is not the case. A “Christian” nation could have illegal abortion, universal church attendance, Christmas and Easter parades, etc. and still have a population of unsaved, unregenerate wretches.
Nations aren’t elected and regenerated, individuals are
If 100% of the US population were to agree that this is a Christian nation, would heaven look down at us and agree that that is, in fact, what we are?
The question is not whether America is or ever was a Christian nation, but whether there IS such a thing as a Christian nation.
Until the Lord Jesus returns, I do not believe there is or could be (John 18:36).
Hmm... so the nations that are His cannot covenant with Him? Interesting
Micah 4:2 Many nations will come and say, “Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the temple of the God of Jacob. He will teach us his ways, so that we may walk in his paths.” The law will go out from Zion, the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
Isaiah 2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days that the mountain of the Lord’S house shall be established on the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills, and all nations shall flow unto it.
No of course not BUT the beginning of video sets up the question(s) & therefore: Christian Nation = mindset ie expectation/acceptable law/morality ect., based in and guided by Bibical standards. Right?
@@ButGOD-Eph2.1-10 Maybe I missed that. It seemed to me that he spent a lot of it arguing that America was founded as a Christian nation, because so many people (constitutions, compacts, founders, and legislatures) said so at the time.
@@sovereigngrace9723 Great Scriptures! But what's your point?
What is the purpose of separating powers (governments)? ... Checks and balances
The structure of common law requires a separation of ecclesiastic and civil government. ... Romans 13 shows this structure. Paul assumes the separation of powers and its checks and balances. The governing authorities wielding the sword against those who do evil ARE SEPARATE FROM the ecclesiastic authority determining which acts are evil (guilty). Common law structure permits a defendant to choose who will try the case.
A defendant may choose:
1 - a bench trial in which a Judge is bound by oath to use the decrees of those in authority as the standard of justice without regard to morality
2 - a trial by jury in which the jury is sworn to give a true verdict. The state has no ecclesiastic authority to convert any innocent act into a guilty act.
The obligation of obedience is also balanced by the obligation of restraint. It is a sin to actively aid and abet another in their sin. Since "the sword" was given for one limited purpose; can a Christian assist the state in using "the sword" against someone who is not doing evil?
You Americans are tweeting this at David French and Phil Vischer, right? _You Americans _*_are_*_ tweeting this at David French and Phil Vischer, right??_
‘Christian civic morality’
Yeah except every time you get asked about it you start talking about the Torah as if that’s a one to one equivalence.
One only starts worrying about the morality of the state one lives in when one wishes to be ruler of that state. Which isn’t anything close to what Christ commanded; and don’t get started with that other equivalence of ‘discipling’ and ‘ruling over’.
Many seem increasingly eager to realize Christ’s lordship for him instead of letting him do it himself when the time is right.
We have a job to do, as do the sheep under us, and it’s not ‘saving politics’. The beauty of the commission we were given was that it’s state-agnostic.
Getting worried about the state you live under makes it sound like you’re planning on settling down and planting some vineyards here before the conquest is over…which is exactly where Israel started to lose it. Even exiled Israel was fully aware they should settle in…but only for a short season. And they were eager to get back home as soon as the time came. Not once was there a concerted effort to convert or enforce Persia or Babylon to Torah observance to make it easier for them to live there. Nor did Yahweh think it prudent to tell them to do so.
Who died and left you the reduction sauce chef?
Crochet that on pillow pleas and thank you.
...those dodgy ones... 🤭
Credentialed but not educated.
I like that. And by like I mean, it sucks. (I have no credentials obvi)
This post makes me love America sorry mate
Acting like the founders weren’t Satanic Freemasons is disingenuous.
If you look up the French prankster Léo Taxil, I think you’ll discover that the connections between Satanism and Freemasonry were a masterful hoax 🙏
That’s conspiracy theory. Anyway, Doug is pointing out influence, not arguing that the key players were regenerate. He explicitly says they weren’t, when he contrasts them with Patrick Henry
Hmmm... yet the application to the Orange Calf is somehow verboten.
he was preferred to the rusted obiden calf...
@@KellyJK07 So now we are all pragmatists now. When you hire a man that worships himself you get a man that prioritizes Pfiser over the people he is supposed to serve.
@@mkshffr4936 THIS IS MAGA COUNTRY!!!
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@@rockycomet4587 As for me and my house we will serve the Lord, not the red hat.
@@mkshffr4936 Give praise to our Great President-In-Exile!!!
The founding father's weren't muddled. They didn't name Christianity AT ALL in the constitution because they WANTED it that way for a reason. That reason was to not mix Church and State. Obviously.
So, we are a free country and therefore we are free from your religion. And all religion.
For govt to be God, we would have to worship it. But we do not. We tolerate the govt. just like we tolerate religions. Even though religions are hoaxes, because we are polite.
A. The founding fathers were wrong. The US should have been a Christian theocracy from the beginning. Thankfully the constitution is merely a piece of paper and can be changed.
B. This is not a free country regarding morality. Murder is wrong. Rape is wrong. Theft is wrong. The purpose of laws are to enforce morality on a populace. Those are all religious concepts.
Where do rights come from? What is the ultimate authority on right and wrong? Whose image do you bear?
Your answer to these things is your god.
@@Charles.Wright Regarding the first part of your statement, so what?
The govt. is held to our standard. That is all we have.
Your religion and god are a hoax.
When you pray or worship it is to no one. It is just your imagination. Like that of a child.
@@mosesking2923 A. The founding fathers were right. We are incredibly fortunate that we can benefit from their wisdom.
B. You're being a child.
@@scottyyoch3537 Wrong. A god is worshipped (even though it is pretend.) Again, I do not worship govt. I tolerate it. That difference is immense. Govts do not have supernatural abilities.
Just because you state something is something else, doesn't make it so. Doug and yourself are grasping. Reaching. Definitions, the meaning of words, matter.
Hey Doug , I was wondering if you’d ever do a good faith conversation with a Mormon apologist/thinker. It sure would be interesting.
@@Charles.Wright is God one in person like in Islam or Judaism? Or do you believe in a multi personage singular God? Do you believe the father is God as well as Christ? Or is Christ, our Heavenly Father, and The Holy Spirit separate beings entirely? Or are they three persons who are one being?
The Mormon position is faith in Jesus, repentance, baptism, receiving the Holy Ghost, and enduring to the end (being changed in Christ). We in the Church of Jesus Christ believe we are commanded to become children of Christ. To be one in Christ, as he is in the father. If you are Christian you believe in one multi formed God, that you’re trying to become one with through the infinite grace and guidance of the messiah, Jesus Christ. This the true gospel. Faith in Jesus Christ, repentance, baptism/sacrament, receiving the Holy Spirit, and endurance to the end(being perfected by Christ and in Christ, and his infinite grace and power.) I imagine you will read this and tell me somehow we believe differently, but this is one of the doctrines that we actually share. We believe God is Jesus. The Jehovah of the Bible. The creator. The word that was with God. God’s hands. The king of kings. Jesus Christ.
@@spitingMYverse you believe that Jesus is a created being, the spirit brother of Satan…therefore you believe in a Jesus that does not actually exist…just one of the MANY reasons that you are a member of a cult…you should do yourself a favor and read One Nation Under Gods (A-History of The Mormon Church) by Richard Abanes…tons of footnotes from your own documents, proving your religion is false…repent of your unbelief and trust in the One whom the Father has sent!
@@andrewbrowne5557 satan is NOT Jesus spirit brother. He is not of the family if God. He is completely separated from Christ. Satan is a created being like all of us. He was an angel, like we all were in the pre-mortal existence. Christ was not created. He is an extension of the father. He is a timeless being. He is God. As Joesph Smith taught God was not created and therefore has no end. When Jesus was begotten of the father, he was the fathers hand. He created the world through the father. We are to become one in Christ. As he is in the Father. Become children of Christ.
I will share with you a scripture from The Book Of Mormon that proves this is the “Mormon” understanding of the nature of God and our Devine purpose. In Mosiah 5:7 it is written “7 And now, because of the covenant which ye have made ye shall be called the children of Christ, his sons, and his daughters; for behold, this day he hath spiritually begotten you; for ye say that your hearts are changed through faith on his name; therefore, ye are born of him and have become his sons and his daughters.” This is the Mormon position. We have the restored gospel. We have the restored priesthood of Jesus Christ. Faith in Jesus Christ (God, the creator, truth, our savior), repentance (receiving grace by the infinite atonement made by our savior), baptism by immersion as the savior taugh Nicodemus, receiving the Holy Ghost, the Eucharist/sacrament is an ordinance instituted by the savior in order for us to receive continued grace/guidance, and last persevering to the end, being perfect in/by Christ.
@@Charles.Wright I’ve never felt a burning in my bosom, personally. That’s not how the spirit moves on me…. The Holy Spirit is one of peace. One that calls me to me to repentance. One that gives me condolences as I love and serve Gods children. The same spirit that witness to me Jesus is Christ, God. That he is king. The spirit, that same spirit that witness to me that The Holy Bible (KJV) is scripture. as well The Book of Mormon.
Satan is of no relation to God. Hes damned, kicked out of the family if you will. He was created as you and I were. He has been completely separated from the love of God. Christ wasn’t created. He was the word that was with God in the beginning. We have a lot of different beliefs but the whole nature of God thing is a misunderstanding at the least, if not willfully misinterpretation of the LDS position. And of course we believe God was once a man, and you do too. We are Christians. That’s why we follow Jesus Christ, a man- and God. 100% of both. So we can be as Christ commanded (Matthew 5:48). This is the work and Glory of God. To perfect his saints through Jesus Christ.