The doctor has NEVER seen the creatures on planets and space craft/stations as the same as him. He is a fcuking TIMELORD, the Doctor would not even notice....!!? Let alone have a hissy fit at the end!!!
It made me physically sick. I still feel a bit unwell. The messaging and ruining of the lore was sickening. There clearly more bothered about "the woke mesaage" than making real stories. It's just getting worse and worse. The whole thing that made the show popular has been taken away. The racism and bigotted views they express in yhe show is not only disgusting but they should he arrested for hate crimes. The views show that those who stayed in there bubble only listening to there own friends and the like think this is good. 90 percent of the real fans absolutely hate it. Money talks and ignoring that will see this show cancelled when it's not profitable. Worst viewings ever in doctor who history says very clearly this woke message trap is not what the real fans want.
While they are in their own bubbles, they are also clearly influenced by others. They are in their own echo chamber. The arrows are also symbolic of us not using our own heads but always just absorbing what others say and regurgitating it. We can’t think for ourselves and they can’t walk for themselves. I think this actually adds something to Space Babies too because the teens and young adults were abandoned just like the babies (just like Ruby). It’s possible they even exist in the same time frame and the Babies’ homeworld is the Homeworld in this episode.
But "the modern audience" is still staying in there Echo chamber telling each other this is a great popular show even though the real fans have stopped watching and keep doing so. 😂 I like what you did there and I did similar above. Notice how they don't even recognise what your saying? They cannot critically think and just regurgitate what others have said. 😂 The ratings are very clear. The audience hates this woke agenda.
Susan Twist plays a character named Penny this episode. Penny, short for Penelope, is from greek and means 'weaver'. Weavers do what? they weave cloth. And what do we also call a "woman of the cloth"? that's right, a nun! Quod erat demonstrandum she's the Monk! On a more serious note, I really enjoyed the episode. It's the one that has felt the most like a "doctor who episode" so far. Might end up being my favourite of the season, becasue it has really set the bar high for the final three. I especially enjoyed how the "twist" at the end made you see the entire episode in a new light.
I watched this at midnight and really loved the episode but I missed the racism part totally and it has made me have to take a look at myself. I hate racism and any other kind or form of bigotry I have brought my kids up to not judge someone by race, religion, sexuality etc etc just on them as a person yet I missed the signs 🤦😳 I actually don't go on any social media but UA-cam because of the toxicity that's been slowly growing since brexit and ramped up during covid. Yet I still missed the sign's and when you look back at them they were so obvious 😢 This actually notched the episode up in my ranking because it made me think about myself as a result I am hovering between an 8.5-9/10 and a 9-9.5/10. I think I am going to have to revisit each episode and my rankings at the end of the series but so far I would say I actually like this episode more than Boom and I loved that episode most up till now.
@@TardisTalks I thought at first that is was a xenophobia thing, not a racism thing, but I realize that now. Maybe it's also about class division in relation to race because all the Finetimers who are rich are also all white. Not only is battery problems still a thing, but intra human racism is to.
@@TardisTalks it wasn't 😁 I have been thinking about this all day and I realised that in a way I have my own bubble around me but instead of being super rich racists I have surrounded myself with channels and people who are against racism, bigotry, elitism etc. Also because of my health and my special needs children I don't have much time to socialise or even watch tv. Doctor Who is actually the only tv I really watch 😳 I also do not read or watch MSM precisely because of what I said above the growing toxicity and hatred in it some of which was aimed at my family in our circumstances. I am in some ways like those awful people just a different type of bubble
@@polgarauk5606There's a difference between consciously blocking out bigots and constantly surrounding yourself with nothing but hatred. Don't worry, you're nothing like them
I noticed the racism towards white men and was disgusted. Why is it ok to he bigoted and racist towards white straight men? Absolutely disgusting to see a programme have this type of racism in it so openly.
I think the fact that I was also questioning whether or not she was being racist shows that I rarely face racism face to face. I tried to come up with a different reason even though we just saw the woman lacked character. Then I looked to her two friends and realized they weren't interested either.
Also huge stretch, but it was interesting that "Ricky September" was the more heroic character and person more aligned with how Ruby & The Doc act, and how both Ruby and Ricky have similar themes with surnames (day of the week, month of the year) as well as sharing the same first initial. Probably complete coincidence, but it was something that stood out to me.
I really enjoyed this episode. I liked how all the different themes are all woven together from the problems with of social media to Racism and we had a character that was really horrible which we've never had before in Doctor Who, at least I don't remember not liking any character as much as I didn't like Lindy.
@@susannahstiles2403 Yes the Daleks are very racist and they don't like anyone but I meant nobody has been racist towards the Doctor themselves rather then characters that are that way all the time. I've never seen someone refuse help from the doctor because of the colour of their skin before or the colour of a Companion's skin even.
Interesting theory about Lindy growing up and eventually becoming her own mum. That would be very "Dark"-like! And yes, the racism angle - I didn't twig to that until the end. For most of the episode I just assumed that Lindy was being age-ist (as the Doctor has the appearance of a 30-something man) and classist.
Just watched this one and positively loved it but the scope of this world seemed a bit to large for the ending... But its hard to believe a reversion in tolerance... But depending how far into the future it is no way to really know I suppose. Just saying as skmeone who isnt a spring chicken not evennmy oarents were raised that way so that as a future for hunans is questionable. I'm fine with the message of fighting intoleranc3 and bigotry but I think that ending didnt work for me. I was really hoping their wealthy parents had sent them tk the planet to stop sucking off the family wealth so that thry could keep it all ro themselves.
I thought this episode had an intriguing first three quarters. Which left me thinking it would conclude with a positive message on the value of in-person relationships versus on-line virtual relationships. Instead, it takes a non-sequitur turn, where the subject person of the episode betrays her on-line crush. Only reinforcing the notion that in person relationships can’t be trusted. In addition, I felt that Ncuti over-emoted in his acting here. The Doctor should be more restrained in expressing his feelings. The Doctor says more, by showing less.
Liked the commentary on people being unable to socialise with people outside of their bubble of friends who are very similar to them. Also like how they address people’s inability to acknowledge the world around them cos they’re so immersed in their phones. Thought the actual story was a bit underdeveloped though. Didn’t explain how the slugs came to the city and if they were connected to the Dot’s uprising.
@@TardisTalks And please explain why ? How did the dots "create" anything? Why create something that will kill slowly and in alphabetical order? Why create something that will eventually starve to death or destroy itself by cannabilism? Seriously, in one night the dots could have bullet in the headed every human... What the hell was the point except to create a situation that provided a message vehicle while ignoring the need for an actual bloody story 🤦
The first racist doctor who episode ever, first none white doctor. I hope it wasn’t a set up. Probably lost more fans than any other episode. Disgusted with the writers and your review is laughable.
@@neogear-bz9zy there hasn’t been a bad episode this season, just one very mediocre one. But just don’t watch a show you hate, you’ll probably start doing better mentally.
What was your thoughts on this episode? 💭🤔
The doctor has NEVER seen the creatures on planets and space craft/stations as the same as him. He is a fcuking TIMELORD, the Doctor would not even notice....!!? Let alone have a hissy fit at the end!!!
It made me physically sick. I still feel a bit unwell. The messaging and ruining of the lore was sickening. There clearly more bothered about "the woke mesaage" than making real stories.
It's just getting worse and worse. The whole thing that made the show popular has been taken away. The racism and bigotted views they express in yhe show is not only disgusting but they should he arrested for hate crimes.
The views show that those who stayed in there bubble only listening to there own friends and the like think this is good. 90 percent of the real fans absolutely hate it. Money talks and ignoring that will see this show cancelled when it's not profitable.
Worst viewings ever in doctor who history says very clearly this woke message trap is not what the real fans want.
This might be one of the darkest Doctor Who episodes.
Yeah potentially could be...
I agree, with tzhe end part
the doctor actually loses in this episode
While they are in their own bubbles, they are also clearly influenced by others. They are in their own echo chamber. The arrows are also symbolic of us not using our own heads but always just absorbing what others say and regurgitating it. We can’t think for ourselves and they can’t walk for themselves. I think this actually adds something to Space Babies too because the teens and young adults were abandoned just like the babies (just like Ruby). It’s possible they even exist in the same time frame and the Babies’ homeworld is the Homeworld in this episode.
That is so interesting and so possible, I genuinely think we are in for a great finale.
But "the modern audience" is still staying in there Echo chamber telling each other this is a great popular show even though the real fans have stopped watching and keep doing so. 😂 I like what you did there and I did similar above.
Notice how they don't even recognise what your saying? They cannot critically think and just regurgitate what others have said. 😂
The ratings are very clear. The audience hates this woke agenda.
Susan Twist plays a character named Penny this episode. Penny, short for Penelope, is from greek and means 'weaver'. Weavers do what? they weave cloth. And what do we also call a "woman of the cloth"? that's right, a nun! Quod erat demonstrandum she's the Monk!
On a more serious note, I really enjoyed the episode. It's the one that has felt the most like a "doctor who episode" so far. Might end up being my favourite of the season, becasue it has really set the bar high for the final three. I especially enjoyed how the "twist" at the end made you see the entire episode in a new light.
I watched this at midnight and really loved the episode but I missed the racism part totally and it has made me have to take a look at myself. I hate racism and any other kind or form of bigotry I have brought my kids up to not judge someone by race, religion, sexuality etc etc just on them as a person yet I missed the signs 🤦😳
I actually don't go on any social media but UA-cam because of the toxicity that's been slowly growing since brexit and ramped up during covid. Yet I still missed the sign's and when you look back at them they were so obvious 😢
This actually notched the episode up in my ranking because it made me think about myself as a result I am hovering between an 8.5-9/10 and a 9-9.5/10.
I think I am going to have to revisit each episode and my rankings at the end of the series but so far I would say I actually like this episode more than Boom and I loved that episode most up till now.
So glad it wasn't just me 😊
@@TardisTalks I thought at first that is was a xenophobia thing, not a racism thing, but I realize that now. Maybe it's also about class division in relation to race because all the Finetimers who are rich are also all white. Not only is battery problems still a thing, but intra human racism is to.
@@TardisTalks it wasn't 😁
I have been thinking about this all day and I realised that in a way I have my own bubble around me but instead of being super rich racists I have surrounded myself with channels and people who are against racism, bigotry, elitism etc. Also because of my health and my special needs children I don't have much time to socialise or even watch tv. Doctor Who is actually the only tv I really watch 😳
I also do not read or watch MSM precisely because of what I said above the growing toxicity and hatred in it some of which was aimed at my family in our circumstances.
I am in some ways like those awful people just a different type of bubble
@@polgarauk5606There's a difference between consciously blocking out bigots and constantly surrounding yourself with nothing but hatred. Don't worry, you're nothing like them
I noticed the racism towards white men and was disgusted.
Why is it ok to he bigoted and racist towards white straight men?
Absolutely disgusting to see a programme have this type of racism in it so openly.
I think the fact that I was also questioning whether or not she was being racist shows that I rarely face racism face to face. I tried to come up with a different reason even though we just saw the woman lacked character. Then I looked to her two friends and realized they weren't interested either.
I had the same thoughts as you with the Susan Twist theory. The look she gave on that boat is definitely setting it up for something to come.
Also huge stretch, but it was interesting that "Ricky September" was the more heroic character and person more aligned with how Ruby & The Doc act, and how both Ruby and Ricky have similar themes with surnames (day of the week, month of the year) as well as sharing the same first initial. Probably complete coincidence, but it was something that stood out to me.
I really enjoyed this episode. I liked how all the different themes are all woven together from the problems with of social media to Racism and we had a character that was really horrible which we've never had before in Doctor Who, at least I don't remember not liking any character as much as I didn't like Lindy.
was a good episode!:)
What about the most infamous racist characters in Doctor Who? The Daleks hated everyone.
@@susannahstiles2403 Yes the Daleks are very racist and they don't like anyone but I meant nobody has been racist towards the Doctor themselves rather then characters that are that way all the time. I've never seen someone refuse help from the doctor because of the colour of their skin before or the colour of a Companion's skin even.
Definitely Racism
Those things look like Tractatus from Frontos
Interesting theory about Lindy growing up and eventually becoming her own mum. That would be very "Dark"-like!
And yes, the racism angle - I didn't twig to that until the end. For most of the episode I just assumed that Lindy was being age-ist (as the Doctor has the appearance of a 30-something man) and classist.
Who said black mirror x doctor who
Genuinely can't say it doesn't work and I'd personally love more stories like this one, maybe just with the doctor and companion a bit more involved 🤔
@@TardisTalks that’s what I felt after we had 73 yards where the doctor isn’t in it at all and then he’s basically on zoom in this one
"Oh, unnecessary racism is tight!"
Just watched this one and positively loved it but the scope of this world seemed a bit to large for the ending... But its hard to believe a reversion in tolerance... But depending how far into the future it is no way to really know I suppose.
Just saying as skmeone who isnt a spring chicken not evennmy oarents were raised that way so that as a future for hunans is questionable.
I'm fine with the message of fighting intoleranc3 and bigotry but I think that ending didnt work for me.
I was really hoping their wealthy parents had sent them tk the planet to stop sucking off the family wealth so that thry could keep it all ro themselves.
I thought this episode had an intriguing first three quarters. Which left me thinking it would conclude with a positive message on the value of in-person relationships versus on-line virtual relationships. Instead, it takes a non-sequitur turn, where the subject person of the episode betrays her on-line crush. Only reinforcing the notion that in person relationships can’t be trusted.
In addition, I felt that Ncuti over-emoted in his acting here. The Doctor should be more restrained in expressing his feelings. The Doctor says more, by showing less.
Doctor Where R U?
Liked the commentary on people being unable to socialise with people outside of their bubble of friends who are very similar to them. Also like how they address people’s inability to acknowledge the world around them cos they’re so immersed in their phones. Thought the actual story was a bit underdeveloped though. Didn’t explain how the slugs came to the city and if they were connected to the Dot’s uprising.
The slugs were created by the dots themselves to slowly devour the planets inhabitants but if the slugs don't get them the dot turns on them.
@@TardisTalks
And please explain why ? How did the dots "create" anything? Why create something that will kill slowly and in alphabetical order? Why create something that will eventually starve to death or destroy itself by cannabilism?
Seriously, in one night the dots could have bullet in the headed every human...
What the hell was the point except to create a situation that provided a message vehicle while ignoring the need for an actual bloody story 🤦
Interesting idea, but lost in the weeds towards second half and terrible ending.
If you dont get more followers the slugs will catch up to you 😅
The first racist doctor who episode ever, first none white doctor. I hope it wasn’t a set up. Probably lost more fans than any other episode. Disgusted with the writers and your review is laughable.
I’m sorry what was the flippin point? The Doctor is supposedly so damn smart but it’s just not working .. this is just bad writing. Doctor : offline!
People who continue to watch and engage with a show they hate are a special breed. Literally just don’t watch it
@@unclekarl5219 we having hope it will be good again and this episode could be good so easily
@@neogear-bz9zyI guess you will only consider it good writing when the doctor is a white guy again huh
@@ennayanne na i want Harold Perrineau to play him
@@neogear-bz9zy there hasn’t been a bad episode this season, just one very mediocre one. But just don’t watch a show you hate, you’ll probably start doing better mentally.