Somaliland Is Independent. So Why Does No One Recognize It?
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Interestingly, while WikiTravel says that independent travel to Mogadishu (Somalia's capital) will almost certainly get you killed, it lists Hargeisa (Somaliland's capital) as a safe and peaceful city, and has no downsides besides there being very little to see. It's not often that the secessionist region of a country is the safest part of it.
Yup it is a fairly rare occurrence but it's one of the main reasons Somaliland broke away. Southern Somalia is a failed state at this point. Although visiting Mogadishu won't actually 'certainly get you killed', it's quite dangerous nonetheless. You can see some travel vlogs from Mogadishu but you definitely won't be wandering the streets without armed security.
Somalia is pretty interesting to read up on especially with its history and how it became a failed state in the first place
I will note, though, that the wikitravel article on somalia/mogadishu is an unreliable source. a friend of mine showed it to me the other day and it's pretty clearly not something that should be taken as gospel. it's written like the early days of Wikipedia when random notable articles could be easily messed with by anyone with a keyboard.
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@@facugaich indeed
"They didn't have the bullets to say no."
That absolutely creased me
@@DD-dh8bh not really. They were busy fighting each other.
@@DD-dh8bhother clans were busy fighting each other and everyone wanted the capital But somaliland didnt the capital and just watched them fight.
It's not really true. The video leaves out that Somalia attempted genocide against the Isaaq people (around 100,000 and maybe more were killed) and destroyed entire cities
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaaq_genocide
@@harrismowbray5613based
@@harrismowbray5613Wikipedia, bro....
Somaliland is in the small club of breakaway states that are way better than the country they’re trying to breakaway from
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@@hej97 what’s cap
@@bababababababa6124 🧢
@@sebrasebra 🚫🧢
@@bababababababa6124 ✔🧢
"The British took a much more hands-off approach"
So did the Belgians.
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@just i c e Didn’t know bots commented on this channel too…
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JFC, this is a _dark_ joke
The British took a hands off approach.
The Belgians took a hands off approach.
They are not the same
Recently Ethiopia signed a huge deal with Somaliland for its coastal port in return for the recognition as a country. As a Kenyan having briefly worked near a Somali refugee camp in north Eastern Kenya, I can only wish the best for the nation of Somaliland. Somali people I've interacted with in Kenya are nice . I wish to visit Somaliland someday
Somalis don't like black people at all lol be careful with them.
That will cause a war ain't no Ethiopian coming in somalia soil
Who cares Western Sahara is a member of the African Union that that mean it's a country? Hell no not when the United States recognize it as part of Morocco. yall Somalilanders love to compare yourself to Taiwan when Taiwan officially claims to be The Republic of China. Aka the legimate government of China, Taiwan would get more recognition if they declared independence as Republic of Taiwan but the Communist in Beijing know this too that's why they threaten to invade Taiwan if they ever abandoned their Chinese sovereign claim
@@raidernation2163 wtf are you saying you sound retrded
Since Ethiopia has turned into a failed state itself, this doesn't mean as much for Somaliland as it would have maybe 5 years ago. 5 years ago, Ethiopia still had a lot of influence, credibility, and economic prospect. Back then, this decision would have gotten a lot of African and maybe some European countries on Somaliland's side. But now, I doubt other countries will follow suit, especially because Ethiopia is only doing this to gain leverage again Eritrea.
I also want to visit Somaliland one day.
My father’s best friend said he would never travel to Somalia itself again but he felt surprisingly safe in Somaliland, apparently you can really feel the difference between the two
U can as someone living in it there is at least 1 bombing every week in Somalia while somaliland is one of the most safe countries u will ever been in good people too they little too aggressive tho
@@Tsunamis6472😂didnt you kill thousands in las anod
@@countriesmadeeasy7323no there is a terrorist faction called al shabaab & a group of rebels who want to destabilize Somaliland. They have killed women, children, many of their own. They even kill prisoners. There are no more people in Lascaanood because of fighting. Anyone who was killed there was a Terrorist.
@@countriesmadeeasy7323 Not too sure how a skirmish between militants on our border equates to literal bombs going off every few weeks in Mogadishu? Can you guys even leave the damn city without bein fleeced by bandits or kidnapped by terrorists?
Your father was really truthful gentleman, Somaliland is a safe country where you can travel and go a walk late at night without being worried, these people deserve a full re-recognition, when i am saying this, i am refering to that Somaliland got recognition before Somalia did but they voluntarly united with Somali Italiana who inflicted a painful wounds which made them reclaim their state after more decades of civil war.
Shouldve included the fact that recognizing it as its own country would set precedent for a lot of countries currently dealing with the same issue(like Spain and Catalonia)
and Scotland
But they were quick to recognise South Sudan so...
@@Y7D But South Sudan became its own country in 2011 after a referendum that was recognized by the international community as well as, most importantly, by the Sudanese government itself, that sat at a table with the separatists and signed a treaty. That's how new coutries form inside of a legal framework.
@@Y7D I think the difference is that the two parts of former Sudan recognised eachother as independent countries, which makes it very uncontroversial for everyone else.
If Somalia was to recognise Somaliland, everyone else would quickly follow suit.
They did say that, in a somewhat roundabout way, in the bit about the other African nations and their insistence on keeping the established borders intact.
A Somalilander here! The only thing we want more than anything in this world is to have our country be RE-RECOGNISED AGAIN, so we can take our rightful place on the world stage among all the nations of the world once again
Personally, I hope you guys get re-recognition. You're a peaceful, stable, democratic state and, in my mind, have earned it. Love from America!
In my opinion you already have a viable state. However until your unruly and murderous neighbour to the south sorts itself out and recognises your existence, then sadly you're going to have a long wait.
Wishing you well from the UK.
As a Taiwanese whom we both share the same struggles of not being seen as independent countries, I support Somaliland to becoming a recognized sovereign independent country!
Yeah, it's really insane how you are not recognized yet. As a German, I really hope that the governments of the world will recognize you.
@@Tenatic-X Taiwan is pretty cool, I'm a fan!
another potential sticking point is that it's seldom a good idea to recognize Breakaway regions. if you do, regions within your own Nation might get ideas.
Which makes it all the stranger that the UK recognises them.
@@gerardmontgomery280 The UK doesn't officially recognize Somaliland as an independent state. You can see a government response to a petition to the UK parliament this year asking them to grant recognition.
Isnt this why Spain doesn't recognise Somaliland, Kosovo, Palestine or any others?
So why Kosovo is recognized by most western countries?
@@bababababababa6124 Yes
As someone in Taiwan I’d say it’s a contender lol. Completely independent and have diplomatic relationships with countries like the US but since it’s not officially recognized due to China it can’t even call it’s embassies embassies
The programs Taiwan established in Somaliland from agriculture to health services is just remarkable. Taiwan has done more in Somaliland in the last 2 years than the entire E.U has in last 30 years.
Taiwan is more independent than any nation in the EU.
Difference is, that Taiwan never has seceded. It was the PRC that was established while the ROC was still a working government with territorial control (and permanent population).
But yes, Taiwan is an independent and sovereign nation.
People can't be reminded of that often enough 😉
Taiwan is an interesting case, because it - or at least, its present leadership - doesn't WANT to be recognised as independent from China. It wants to be recognised as... being IN CHARGE of China. Because it used to be. Taiwan is a remnant of the original pre-revolution Chinese government.
(Of course, I'm way oversimplifying a complex situation for a youtube comment, and as someone in Taiwan you probably already understand the situation better than I do.)
@@Nalehw from a mainlander, if Taiwan stopped claiming to be another China that would probably be seen as a big secessionist move and provoke a bitter response…
(At least Taiwan’s got an ISO country code. That makes software and statistical stuff a lot easier.)
Iraqi Kurdistan also functions very independently. They have their own border control and run their own affairs. Rojava too but it's a lot newer whereas Iraqi Kurdistan has more experience.
Yeah but Kurdistan itself has signed agreements where it says they are part of Iraq but just a very autonomous region of it.
rojava isn't an independence movement and neither have declared independence
Is Rojava still a thing?
@@zxaa2852 Iraqi Kurdistan has. It led to a conflict with Iraq a few years back.
My cousin got sent to Kurdistan in 2003 when he was with the US Air Force, the people were happy to see Americans and after a few weeks the brass realized the Air Force was not needed in big numbers and my cousin was sent back to Germany. Unfortunately he did end up missing his only sister’s wedding because all leave was cancelled. 😖
I grew up with a lad from Somaliland, one of the most polite, kind hearted people I've ever had the pleasure to have in my company. So for that alone, I'll recognise it. Shout out to Libaan
It is a very interesting country. While not a perfect democracy, it has done a lot to improve the lives of its people.
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@@lorenzoblum868 a NAS or renting a server might help you getting some backups
@@cobaltfoxpaw945 true which is why critical thinking and acute research come handy
@@lorenzoblum868 It doesn't get much worse than Somalia. In fact, I don't think it really gets worse than Somalia at all. Somaliland is at least relatively safe, has an economy and isn't, you know, in a 30 year long civil war.
That's not true at all. It has done and continues to do many crimes towards its own inhabitants and nearby cities they attack, understand they are absolutely involved in the somali civil war.
somaliland is a clannist state that has abused minority groups for years.
not only do they abuse and do crimes to other somali clans, but other ethnic groups are horribly mistreated.
a few months ago they had forced an exodus of bantu people living in their cities and many mothers were separated from their kids.
they are a facist state that the majority of its own inhabitants don't consider actually independent.
not long ago they literally took a city from somalia itsself, they are a belligerent and violent force.
if they wanted peaceful seperatio they should:
A) stop attacking somalia like they did not long ago
B) stop abusing both minority clans and minority ethnic groups
C) stop taking and relying on the somali government's money, when the fire in hargeisa happened not long ago they got money from the somali government
they are nearly as bad as the terrorists to those who aren't the ruling clan.
I've always really wanted to go to Somalia as I'm a botanist and they have some really interesting plants, and probably a ton of undiscovered ones. So Somaliland has intrigued me since I first heard about it. A good chunk of "Somalia" that is safe enough for foreigners to visit, although a pain in the ass because of the lack of international recognition.
This comment gonna get you banned from Somaliland lol
I’ve been to Somaliland and you could easily go. It’s safe enough as a westerner to wonder around on your own. For the rural areas the government would almost certainly insist on an escort but that would cause you no issues and you could definitely find some interesting plants.
Beta cringelords: "I love Somalia because of the beauty!" "I want to see the history!" "I have family in Somalia!"
Gigachad: "Ooo, pretty flowers!"
Morbos! Im also an aspiring botanist let me know how it goes! I’m more into the Aquatic Plant side. However I’d love to also head down there as well!
As a half somali and half somalilander, welcome. But I gotta say wildlife and almost everything nature is bigger and more varied in Somalia rather than this one region.
I honestly never knew that Somaliland wasn’t internationally recognized, I’ve always heard it referred to as its own nation by friends who live and work in and around the region
We were in 1960 for 5 days till sum old clowns fuck up future, we had to fight hold zomalia gov for 10 years to just make the somaliland brakeaway so it’s interesting
long live somalilander people
@@deruqdice2075 isaaq faqash
@@skp8748 100% Fact, we Truly need another Aabe Siad barre, Note this time Nobody will save them, The 80s and 70s Soviet union and Ethiopia saved them, But round "Two" it's over sxb!💗
@@skp8748 it’s the opposite lmao 🤣 y’all were faqash yahuuda
Once Somaliland finds oil, just watch every single country magically start to recognise it 😂the US would be first to build an embassy there 😂
Much like the situation in Kosovo. The "country" only exists because of foreign interest in mining resources, human and drug trafficking, as well as being political leverage over Albania and Serbia
@@ileutur6863 Kosovo is Serbia I agree
@@Sinaeb Kosovo is in the territorial integrity of the Republic of Serbia
Hopefully they do, it deserves the regonition
@@SaveznaRepublikaJugoslavija Serbia is kosovo!
My favorite part of Somaliland was when Somaliland said "it's secessionist militia time" and secessionist militiaed all over those guys
truly a diplomatic moment of all time
Divide et impera
Lmao
One of the secessionist militia times of all time
@@kv4648 Fransis Marion and John Parker would like a word
What I’m wondering is why South Sudan, which also fought a civil war and claimed independence, is generally accepted as a country and not in the same boat. Anyone know the reason?
maybe it's religion? as far as I am aware South Sudan is mostly Christian whereas Somali land and Somalia I think are Muslim
The answer is George Clooney
because sudan recognised south sudan as independent
Don't south Sudan have oil?
Because South Sudan's independence was recognised by Sudan, the country they broke away from. Any other country not recognising South Sudan would make absolutely zero sense.
Somaliland's independence, on the other hand, is not recognised by Somalia, exacly like the Serbia-Kosovo situation. If Somalia recognised Somaliland, then every other country would follow.
In my opinion it's pretty hypocritical that countries don't recognize a de facto functional democratic state that is much more stable than the state they're breaking away from.
Others mentioned it, if they recognize it their own territories will use it as a reason to split off(Catalonia, Kosovo and any other similar situations)
I suspect it has to do with the complications of geo-politics. if you recognize one revolution you have to recognize your own of similar nature's and besides the damage it would do to small countries who maintained global influence by large-scale unification at home, it could screw up shipping routes everyone across the globe relies on as there's more nationals you need permission from
@@fitmotheyap So they have to pay for what happens in other places? That sounds extremely unfair.
@@soundscape26 welcome to the world, buddy.
What's even more hypocritical is the US will recognize some breakaway regions as independent, but will shoot down any independence movement from the Native Americans, Hawaiians, Native Alaskans, Guam, American Samoa
Because of the UN. Before the UN was established, it wasn't anything special to have some country recognize a successful revolt in some far distant part of the world. Now, international borders are almost sacrosanct, which is good for avoiding wars of conquest, but not so good for self determination of particular groups. Since the UN was established, only Bangladesh has managed to be recognized as a country arising from an opposed independence movement. You need to get the central government to cave now to get a separatist movement to get recognized. Like South Sudan or East Timor.
There's also southern Thailand, which I understand used to be the Patani sultanate that was originally part of Malaya (present-day western/peninsular Malaysia) but was 'gifted' to Thailand in 1902 by the then British colonial government, & there's now an insurgency there, with arson committed in ~60 locations just last weekend. Might be a reason that would discourage Thailand from building the Kra canal too to provide a shortcut for ships between the Andaman & S China Seas, as the canal would separate southern Thailand from the rest of the country & might further encourage insurgency/secession there
Love the quote "Africa's colonial borders should stay as is..." while showing a map of the colonial borders with the Somaliland/Somalia border present! 4:10
Have you ever heard of this "Quote where ever it is a mess a Brit walked by😂
Now we need a video about recognised countries that aren't really countries (like Australia).
And US states that aren’t really states and really shouldn’t be (Wyoming and Ohio)
I think HAI already made a video about the Order of Malta, recognized as sovereign but not an actual country. Maybe Australia is next.
And France.
@@dannypipewrench533 France 🤮
@@artyjnrii France does not exist. Its territory has been claimed by the ocean. Its population has been claimed by Belgium and Andorra.
Never thought I would see one of my favorite and totally "legitimate" channels make a video about my very much "legitimate" country love from hargeisa✌️
U mean Somalia 🇸🇴❤️🙌.
@@yunishajjz Nope he mean he doesn't hear bombings all the time
I made my own country and I “formally” declare that I recognize Somaliland
I'm from Somaliland. we deserve recognition.
No you dont
@@vin7463 🤣
@@vin7463 yes. They do.
@@vin7463 Yo they're literally more stable than Somalia
@@Inescapeium not for long
Interesting topic, thanks for sharing.
Thanks man for doing video about my country
I really aprricate and may be there are some little mistakes here and there but you are correct i really hope we got recognise soon
Cool to see this - have been to Somaliland and it was a great place to visit!
Somaliland is pretty safe, i've been there this summer and I didn't feel unsafe. also on the democratic part, I actually saw some campaigning and it looked fun.
Every 10yrs people can open a new party that's why you saw a campaigns
now 15 new parties are created but there's only three parties can win and become
the national parties.
your somali and your pretending as if its unsafe for you for a somali territry yet your your female😄😄😁😁😁
Somaliland has now been recognized by Ethiopia. Congratulations! Hopefully this doesnt lead to a war
Oh yeah this definitely will cause war between Somalia vs Ethiopia and somaliland
@@Vxrtzs_War against Ethiopia? Somalia can barely control its own territory.
@@bruh-ni1fy neither do somaliland 😂😂 I don’t really give a shit about Somalia plus you got snm got smoked by a bunch of harti tiktokers in goojacade you just lost sool
@@bruh-ni1fy so what???
@@Vxrtzs_ So how can they take on Somaliland, let alone Ethiopia? Surely they are not stupid enough to get into fights they can't win.
"They didnt have the bullets to say no" My god that is brilliant!
Thanks for spilling the beans about France being a province of Belgium
Hergeisa is a much safer city than most African capitals. I have been to 39 of them, and to Hergeisa on three occasions to run courses. I even travelled there once prior to independence from Britain, with my gramps in 1958. The country today scores higher on the democracy index than do most African nations. It is a travesty that it is not recognised internationally, while countries such as Kosovo are.
True, Kosovo should just unify with Albania.
@@nwahnerevar9398you made 7 mistakes trying to spell the country with which Kosovo should unite 😉
@@vinylSummer Surely if it would be 5 because Serbia (loser nation btw) also ends "ia"?
I just yesterday watched a movie filmed 100% in Somalia i think the name was "Gravedigger's wife" in english. It was an european filmed movie but filmed in Somalia and spoken with their language. Its a great movie 👍its about a couple living in Somalia but the wife has a bad kidney infection and the husband who is a gravedigger tries everything to get enough money for the life saving surgery but their job doesn't pay enough for it
Somaliland is not Somalia.
@@reerjsl3077 i know
It's not filmed in somalia but rather in kenya
@@fill-me-in i watched the movie... I think i know lol
@@eetuthereindeer6671 but you said it's been filmed in somalia 😲
Our hopes are high. Our faith in the people is great. Our courage is strong. And our dreams for this beautiful country somaliland will never die. #somalilanders #long_live_somaliland
❤❤ 2024 our dream will succeed insha Allah
I support somaliland :)
Thank you for finally revealing the truth about France being a Belgian province.
We all know it. And we definitively appreciation the kind of "hands off" approach you are taking there 😉
I can't help but notice your approach in the Congo! Your subjects clearly aren't afraid to get their hands dirty!
@@martinfiedler4317I don’t know it and cannot find anything explain it after searching by google. I live in a poor country in SEA so maybe it is the reason. I guess I will search more to understand why France is a Belgian province.
Somaliland has done more for its civilians than Somalia ... So, Somalia does not get a say ...
I’m From Somaliland and I hope that it can be re-recognized
It will
@criminal • 1.3B views • 4 seconds ago. ~ Fk morroco I will fully support western Sahara’s now 😂😂
It will be recognised because a lot of people are learning about it;) You can see this video has been made by someone who isn't Somaliland!!! What a great an example that the world could learn about Somaliland!!! PEACE COUNTRY Alhamdulillah ❤❤❤
In your dreams 😅😂😂
@@JustinYiseverywhere don’t be a hater 😂😂😂
I deployed to Somalia. I can say this is infact accurate. The people are super welcoming.
Why did another commented say that "independent travel to mogadishu will almost certainly get you killed" surely thats just an overstatement?
@@eetuthereindeer6671 not every place in a country is the same. mogadishu is the capital so ofc it is dangerous.
@@eetuthereindeer6671 it’s not an overstatement. As a foreigner you have to hire a pickup trucks full of security. Just to drive through the city. There are plenty of videos on travelers that visit Mogadishu on UA-cam you will notice the same pattern.
@@AlPootis why. There are lots of countries where you could stroll through the capital just fine but stepping outside them is likely to get you killed. Failstates where security measures only reach so far.
@@reerjsl3077 but somalia is not only mogadisho, there is many other citys that are safe in somalia also, like garowe is one the safest city in somalia,bosaso, galkacyo. also nothern mogadisho is relatively safe.
"They didn't have the bullets to say no"
Because they never thought to offer anyone their port before apparently.
Would love videos like this about other non-countries like taiwan and transnistria
Great video btw!
Yeah, I was thinking a lot about Transnistria while watching this video as well, would love to have a video on that!
@@gaygekko i have been to Transnistria four times. I could say that:
- pretty much everything said here about Somaliland also applies to them (including the "they didn't have the bullets to say no" part). It is an entirely functional country with their own institutions, media, currency and you can definitely tell them apart from Moldova.
- Just like Somaliland is considered to be more prosperous than Somalia, Transnistria is better than Moldova in some aspects and worse than others.
- The reason why Transnistria is portrayed so negatively is because of their association with Russia. While, in my opinion, undeniably independent, the state is bankrolled by Russia and has russian soldiers guaranteeing their safety. They are also tiny, have a weird shape in the map and have the long term goal of reuniting with Russia (in fact, their war against Moldova was because they didn't even want to leave the USSR).
- Most people there feel they have a different identity, don't want to rejoin Moldova but there is very little if any animosity from their side to Moldovans. Apart from having very few english speakers, it is a surprisingly easy place to visit and welcoming. Or at least it was before they had a war happening just beside them.
There ought to be an exception to the border integrity rule that says if the national government is a complete failure and can't exercise control, then the breakaway region gets to be independent. This situation is horseshit. Somaliland put in the work, they should be recognized.
This is a really excellent suggestion. It would allay the fears of stable governments in non-failed states of giving power to their own successionist movements, while making the world a better place elsewhere and encouraging stability there. Very sharp.
ibr yh, somalia is improving slowly, and somaliland will never be recognised. By the time somalia is peaceful again, there will be no hope for them to be recognised
What makes you think that Somaliland has any hope of breaking off when it couldn't when it was worse before? Somalia's economy is booming and nothing will change.
@@Raidou10 A clan should not be allowed to form its own country as this would start a wave. Their was no genocide, but rather multiple clans being targeted by the army. Legit every clan suffered from the civil war, so if people are allowed to form countries based on clans then that would start a wave impacting all the federal states as they would try to gain sovereignty aswell. The whole notion of Somaliland being its own country for 5 days was legit based on England giving them independence before the italians did. Those borders were drawn by the coloniest and will not be accepted by the majority of Somali clans.
@@furyfuruThat's called *autodetermination* : each people can decide for themselves whether they want to remain as part of a federation, become a new independent country, unite with others to form a larger State, etc. If you disagree with this principle, then Somalia and Somaliland would still be Italian and British colonies. Africa is made up of independant countries because of a *wave* of decolonisation.
These wendover productions are getting really good
I almost forgot this was wendover
@@door-hinge I recognise that voice anywhere.
Omds you did my homeland I have been watching your videos for so long let me not tear up 😂😂😂😂
you're a state of somalia get over it
As a Somalian, I recognise Somaliland as a country. Somalia is suffering enough issues already
You're definitely not Somali. I've never met a Somali who calls themselves a "somalian", only something that white people would say.
True, im from somaliland and i actually think the country needs to balkanise. If we go, puntland will most definetly leave which basically just leaves the southern region.
@@agentopaque3776 Puntland and the Somali people there dont wanna leave, plus Unity is better than a bunch of scattered, poor nations
@@jasonkobrick5970 Somali is an ethnicity, Somalian is the nationality
@@footballfan_editz unity certainly didn't work, it's exactly what got Somalia in this situation. Just like with Yugoslavia
That unsheathing of the garden trowel for the fatality was slick.
The amount of sarcasm in this video makes Chandler Bing go "Daaaammmmmmmnnnnn!!"😂 Great video by the way.
Actually Somaliland is a peaceful country with working democracy as it has 5 elections and peaceful transitions of power which is very rare in whole of Africa. It deserve to be recognized, not because of it’s history but what it offers to the region and Africa -security, democracy, economy and geopolitical location (Red-sea).
To be honest, there are a LOT of countries that tick all 3 of those boxes, that aren't considered countries internationally. Somaliland is by no means an exception.
Difference is somaliland has its own functional passport diplomatic ties with both US, UK and other countries. The only thing holding it back from recognition is Somalia itself
@@GRXDE- How is this different from a case like Taiwan?
Taiwan is up against china, a super power and a permanent u.n security council while Somaliland is up against somalia that is the difference
But somaliland was an independent country when it gained independence from the british in 1960.
Thanks for the vid :D
0:51 the horniest part of the horn of Africa 💀💀💀
Beautiful accurate information, I hope the world to recognize Somaliland.I subscribed and liked the channel.
the way the title is formatted I thought Sam uploaded to the wrong channel again until I saw the thumbnail
There was a TV show called Holidays in the Danger Zone: Places That Don't Exist that went to Somaliland it was interesting and I seem to remember there was a spitfire in the capital city
Yeah bro you right there , that spitfire is russian mig fighter we put there as a reminder to the young generations how somalia's national airforce used russian mig fighters to bormbard somaliland cities killing anything that moves even ants , so we put that russian mig up there as a conestant reminder for our children to know what really happened between Somaliland and somalia's wars back in the 80s 90s that resulted the recreation of an indipendant Somaliland and the failed state of somalia till today
Thank you CPG grey for the re-upload
For another book to learn about modern realities in Africa (especially the colonialist legacy), I recommend The Looting Machine: Warlords, Oligarchs, Corporations, Smugglers, and the Theft of Africa's Wealth by Tom Burgiss.
I've always loved Somaliland!!!!!!!! Beautiful nation.
It's not a nation it's a state within Somalia.
@@skp8748 it's nation
@@zakigoldenboi6 it's a clan enclave.
@@skp8748it’s a multi clan state, cisse, gadabursi, isaaq, Warsangali and Dhulbhante are Somalilanders. End of. Want to deal with a majority one clan rule talk to djiboutians. They would follow our decision if they unfortunately joined Somalia in the 60s too
obsessed with the tone of this video
Great video.
Tom Scott next year: Is this an independent country?
What's the point? That Tom is late?
@Flash bang 😐
The only difference he is going to be visiting the country and filming there
As a Somalilander who was born and raised in the UK, I love it when I see videos like this about my country. :)
Aw cmon man don’t say that. This is why people hate immigrants. They choose the country their family came from instead of the one they were born and raised 😭
@@alexjv1370Excuse me? Are you admitting to hating immigrants for this reason? Most (if not ALL) people aren’t shallow or stupid enough to hate someone for this. American Italians and American Irish never get hate for loving their ancestral motherland and I’ve never experienced that myself for that matter. I love my country of birth AND my country of origin. Only a sick person would hate me for that.
This is a You problem. People do not hate immigrants for loving their roots. You’ve literally created a hypothetical situation.
When i are u going back to ur country since u guys always shouts you are indepedent country. Mostly people from hargiesa dies at the seas trying to go to europe
@@ayanlejaguar3539 how’s Mogadishu? I hear Al Shabab invaded a hotel yesterday. You fear for your life everyday, yet here you are on UA-cam spouting lies. Mogadishu has a ‘recognised government’ but can’t even ensure the safety of its people. Don’t throw stones when you live in a glass house.
@@VolKNo0 well we all know who supports al shabab one day karma will hit u guys. Terrorist scambags al shabab headquarters is in hargiesa
Dude WHAT THE HELL?! That Passport picture has the Arabic Backwards AND disconnected (Arabic is written Only Cursive, never print) .. How did THAT happen? Did you have recreate the image??
The bit about France being a province of Belgium got me good.
I mean, with the EU kinda being basically one big country, and its capital being in Brussels, it's not that far off...
@@m1chacha This is such a stupid statement. The EU is nowhere close to being a single unified political entity, and it is unlikely to ever become one in our lifetimes unless major cultural changes occur.
@@lint9305 I was mostly joking, but that probably wasn't very clear from my original comment. But yes, you're right.
@@m1chacha Ah, my apologies. I get suspicious whenever there's talk of "EU is practically one thing" since its usually a dogwhistle from Eurosceptics trying to spread that whole "Brussels rules us" narrative lol.
The best joke in the video is calling my life “precious and fleeting “ 😂
@halfasinteresting having Jamtland in the not true section is just misleading. Note for most who don't know it's literally connected to one of the oldest elected assemblies in the world Jamtamot that has an unbroken continuity from its roots in the 10th century and is still uniquely autonomous within Sweden today.
Ethiopia: Let’s change that! For the port access- I mean for the people of Somaliland!
what I find harrowing about the conflict in Somalia/Somaliland is that it's not caused by European green table borders ignoring local ethnolinguistic groups but the deep scars of colonial opression itself. They do not fight because they are different ethnic groups with different religions etc but because they were opressed by different colonial overlords. Colonialisms scars are not straight lines and active opression but run deeper. deep enough for kinsmen to fight eachother over a language and culture that isn't their own. (I am aware that this is also true in Cameroon)
After reading the opinion of africans on some of these issues, I think I've reached the conclusion that not every problem in Africa was caused by colonialism. Yes, colonialism is probably the worst thing that happened to Africa, but every single region in the world has had conflicts. Honestly I think attributing every problem in Africa to colonialism is a bit condescending, and misses a lot of factors, some of them (like climate, geography, diseases and ethnic differences) being present long before outside interference in Africa.
This has basically nothing to do with colonialism. Despite the videos claim. Time for a bit of a history lesson:
So, the video touched upon the various clans in Somalia. But how did these clans, despite being the same religion, ethnicity and culture, develop so separately? Answer is war. The pre-colonial somali state, it was basically a massive continuous civil war, so much so that basically the entire system of treaties between these clans was built by these wars, and based on them. Even current somalia law represents this with its labels. So colonialism had nothing to do with the start of the fighting.
But colonialism did come and it did make those borders. It also stopped the inter clan fighting, at least for a while. But then the colonial overlords started fighting each other and you know how that went.
And then the 2 nations seceded fom Britain and Italy and rejoined. Up to that point it's good. So why did it go down to civil war again? Well. Barre. Not colonialism, not a white guy, a somali comunist dictator.
After Somalia and Somaliland rejoined, Barre forcefuly took power and became a dictator, and started opressing everyone. And important data, he also tried to genocide a large segment of Somalia/Somaliland. Wanna guess what basis he used for it? No it wasn't any colonialist or european notion. Don't be silly. IT WAS THE CLANS. He tried to genocide the Majeerteen, Hawiye and Isaaq clans. Despite his claims to comunism, it was no political repression. It was the same old PRECOLONIAL rhetoric and reasoning by which somalis were murdering each other for centuries. THAT is what caused the civil war. Indeed, after the soviets took Ethiopia's side against him, Barre abandoned all pretense of being comunist at all. Guess what he called his new idology? Clannism. He then proceeded to once more try to genocyde the Isaaq clan, calling them a figment of colonialism. He failed once more, however. This will be important.
So then the civil war came. And it wasn't somaliland vs somalia, not at all. It was basically everyone vs Barre. After his failure in ethiopia and his failure against the Isaaq clan he had shown his weakness, and both somalia and somaliland rose against him. Importantly, however, from the start Somaliland made it clear that it wanted independence. And who could blame them?
Why did Somaliland want independence? No, silly, not colonialism. They didn't even speak english anymore, the colonial border was just the natural border too. Why? Because what we now call Somaliland, is the same territory that for centuries has been hold by a single somalian clan. THE ISAAQ CLAN. And before Barre they were an autonomous region within somalia too. So who could blame them from wanting to retake full autonomy after joining Somalia only got them multiple attempted genocides and war? Of course the Isaaq were sick of the other clans!
And so as Barre fled Somaliland, which had just found with the Somalian rebels against Barre, did what it told them it'd do and declared independence. And a not insubstantial part of Somalia agreed. Sadly, other clans didn't, hence why there was indeed now a somalia-somaliland war. That said, this war was NOTHING compared with the war against Barre, barely just some border skirmishes and Somalia just gave up. Because, again, it was already politically damaging not to recognize Somaliland, and doing so while loosing too was too costly.
So why hasn't Somalia recognized Somaliland by now? It's simple. It's not because it really wants to invade again, it clearly doesn't. Nor does it have anything to do with colonialism. It's because Somalia still has plenty of internal fighting. Because other parts want to secede or take over by force. And guess what the main reason to try it is? The clans. it's the damned clans. So Somalia reasonably concluded that until it can solidify its own position letting the isaaq go peacefully will set a dangerous precedent and fragment it into clan based states.
It's that simple. Not a scar of colonial opression at all. A much older scar. The scar of FEUDALISM and what happens to nations where a substantial segment od those in power still haven't gotten out of that mindset. Hell. Looked at in terms of who killed who on their lands, colonialism was barely an interlope for the somalians, and one that at least brought relative peace to 1 clan.
@@thespanishinquisition4078 Thanks for that writeup.
@@thespanishinquisition4078
You forgot to mention that British Somaliland and Italian Somaliland were treated in very different ways under the rule of the European powers. British Somaliland was a PROTECTORATE, and Italian Somaliland was a COLONY of Italy. That changes the interactions between the natives and foreign powers. It makes it even more difficult for the two to merge with such different histories.
By definition, a protectorate is a nation with its own local government officials and laws but has the protection of a foreign nation. A colony, on the other hand, is a place where a foreign power has taken control of all aspects of the economic and political systems of a particular country. That provides some additional context for the differences between the two regions.
@@thespanishinquisition4078 very interesting, thank you for your time and effort! Tho you could just have said that the conflict actually lies with pre colonial animosities between isaac and the other clans.
So colonialism only helped to "even out" the power balance between both groups, empowering the smaller group relatively speaking?
That is sort of a relief. It's just good old tribalism having no limits as to where to draw the line, simple human condition stuff.
I read the title, scrolled past this, then I thought “wait thats a great question” and came back lmao
I have like 100 people in my school that always talk about Somalia and Somaliland…
you must be living in Minnesota xD
@@Y7D I wish 😂
I live in mn and either I’m bad at eavesdropping or my school is just different but I never hear about Somalia/somaliland here
If any thing I hear about / tend to see Hmong people the most (I see a few Somali people here and there but I think there’s more Hmong kids
@@CoolSkele95 where live then
@@CoolSkele95 Somewhere in UK/London
"Didn't have the bullets to say no" - HAI, 2022
I already made one comment... but on a different note if you are looking for any other of these "Nation not a nation" situations you could do a video on Western Sahara.
As a Belgian, I approve this video.
But are you a french Belgian or a dutch belgian?
Thank you for recognizing France as an independent country 😢
as a 1/16 Belgian and a 1/2 french, i don't 😢
As a Belgian, I concur with the 3:40 statement. Thanks.
British decolonization method usually involved splitting or joining territories (India, Ireland, Somalia...)
They're not different in culture even in language But there is an accent difference.and one more thing how I absolutely love white people talking other people culture not knowing as much and thinking that they know
Exactly
Currently living in somaliland, it’s really peaceful.
I`ve been, its doing well for an unrecognised country. Wish it all the best!
You should do a video about what happens when a country collapses. Like what happens to that country? Do other nations come in and take over or does no one interfere?
03:35 You are wrong. You said "The only true definition of a country is one that is internationally recognized as such."
The only true definition of a country is if you go there, there it is.
Artsakh wasn't recognized, but it was a country. We know that because people went there and there it was.
And it had been, as long as anyone can remember, although often as a province of this or that empire, but also independently for a long time.
Country recognition is very complicated.
Cause Kosovo has mostly self-rule and is recognised by over half of the UN, despite not being recognised as a country because Serbia is still trying to maintain control of the region thus it's classed as an ongoing civil war.
Similarly Taiwan isn't a country because the Chinese civil war never officially ended, and most of the world treats it as an ongoing internal conflict between the People's Liberation Army that managed to claim most of the territory and the Republic Armed Forces which made a retreat to the island. Both of them claim the Chinese mainland, so because of this no country wants to side with Taiwan because they're technically "losing the war and not conceding defeat".
Taiwan is a country that fits all the conventions. "Ongoing civil war" and "claims the mainland" are lies that only the PRC forces to uphold under threat of invasion. Don't you think, as an independent democracy, that we'd rather get rid of a major obstacle to our own recognition?
the ROC already existed before the PRC though and was already recognized by the UN since the UN's founding (which was before the end of the war). The UN just stopped recognizing it in 1971 because the PRC became too powerful
@@BBarNavi Technically the civil war never end tho, that bits isn't wrong.
Also Taiwan isn't in the UN because Chiang for a long time dream of retaking the mainland and therefore not recgonising Taiwan as an entity in the UN even when if i recall Nixon and CPC china gets into a deal that allow Taiwan to exist as independence in UN with US backing.
And only after Chiang died and his successor get into power, and the subsequences democratization that Taiwanese identity and native right was recognised and promoted.
Taiwan not being fully recognise had a lot to do with Chiang Bullshit and China/mainland like it or not.
ROC (taiwan) and china fight In taiwan strait Kimmen and even in Border of Burma with ROC forces until the 60s.
Peace treaty and Armistice was never signed
@@BBarNavi Taiwan is not a real country because no one officially recognize it as such. I think only like 10 countries recognize it as the real China but not as a Taiwan. In other words, literally nobody ever officially recognize Taiwanese independence.
@@BBarNavi but i guess you have the support of the internet and social medias because of anti-china sentiments so i guess you have that
To be recognized as a county, the 5 big must say yes, US, UK, France, Russia, China (you can group UK and France together as EU). Which represented a very large chunk of human civilization...
But by nature of politics, it's hard to please both... more accurately all four sides...
You right that why somaliland chose the u.s and its allies. Somaliland don't have to go through somalia to recieve it's independence there are other ways to recieve recognition and thats the path somaliland chose to take
No somalia have to say yes and that will never happen
0:36 "But there's ONE major exception" - Taiwan would like to have a word.
Wasn't expecting the mural at 2:19, but I guess the red in flags comes from somewhere
#Republic_of_Somaliland is peace and beautefull Country East Africa 🇹🇯
It should be noted that breakaway regions are not considered legitimate under international law. Once you've been legitimately incorporated into a country, there is no legitimate means out of it, outside of getting the original country to recognise you (see with South Sudan). The only realistic way out if the country refuses to recognise you, is to form a de facto state, and establish positive relations with other countries until they're willing to recognise you en mass. The default position of everyone is to not recognise, so you need to go above and beyond, or represent a greater political battle in order to be recognised. Somaliland's small economy means it's difficult to establish enough of a relationship for countries to risk establishing a bad precedent by recognising it, and it doesn't have much affect on any greater political issues, so for now no one is going to take the risk and recognise it.
The union between Somaliland and Somalia was not legally ratified it was informal union.
2:44 You are missing the fourth criteria under the Montevideo convention: The capacity to enter international relations with other states.
It's over for Bhutan
@@morbidsearch Oh Bhutan absolutely has the capacity to, it just chooses not to.
*Somaliland finds oil*
Every country ever: "WOW HOW DID WE NOT SEE THIS COUNTRY HERE!? WELCOME TO THE WORLD STAGE!"
Somaliland is sovereign nation for 32 years going on to 35 and urgently asking for acknowledgement from the international governments, this Country has faced so much struggle in the last four decades, when is the international community and governments going to say we finally recognise Somaliland’s self determination
Yet Kosovo came into being as it pissed of Serbia which by default pissed off Russia hence Europe and US could not move fast enough to recognise it. 🙄
Thank you for document truo Somalilnd
I see that some comments say that there is not much to see in Somaliland. Not so. It has many amazing prehistoric rock paintings and stone burial sites, ruined medieval towns in the west of the country, one of the earliest mosques at Zeila, Sheikh Secondary School (the Eton of Somalia), excellent goat and camel cuisine, extraordinary wildlife (though the largest animals were shot-out when rifles became widely available), and spectacular scarps and salt pans. Personally I also liked the style of popular music. I could go on, but rest assured, you can easily fill an enjoyable fortnight in Somaliland and still not exhaust what it has to offer.
Somaliland did not ratify or accept the so called ‘ Unification’ and has fought against forced union. Therefore, it is not a secessionist. Since, you said it was recognised and Independent country and this is the fact you skimmed over. It’s population defined and borders demarcated. It simply not accepting forced unification. It is an Independent country as per the African Union Charter from Britain from 26 June 1960.
Somaliland is not interested in rejoining a failed ‘Somalia’ which is not even a country anymore and is being supported by International country. We are not going to be dragged down with them. We are not secessionist we are an Independent country recognised on 26 June 1960. Fought back when a coup occurred in the failed ‘Somalia’
You are blinded by your emotions you think just because today the people of somaliland want to be independent doesnt mean that they were not interested in unification with somalia the majority of people in somaliland wanted union with somalia pan-somalism was extremely popular with somalis if they did not want union with their brothers then why did they join somalia in 1960 they signed the act of union they wanted unification they desired itthats why they demanded immediate independence from britain contrary to britains wish for gradual independence the reason why most somalilanders wish to be independence is because of somalias sate of affairs right now if not for the anarchy somalia is experiencing they would be much higher support for union between somaliland and somalia
@@bobbobby3085 Somaliland has learnt from its previous mistake. Majority do not want to be part of Somalia. The recent events has further highlighted why we should move on. It is better for both countries to move on. Its nostalgic emotional people who do not realise the reality that Somaliland and Somalia will not unite again.
I can't wait for Jet Lag season 4. What crazy game will you come up with?
Coming in December!
@@54321jcc how do you know?
@@Unknowngfyjoh They did an aftershow episode on Nebula after the end of the season and at the end of that video they say the next season is dropping in december.
@@54321jcc did they give any hint of what the game is?
@@Unknowngfyjoh Nah
Rare Earth did a video on this place a few years back.
There are many other secessionist groups in Africa. And 3 in South Africa alone. Cape Independence, Volkstaat and the Zulu Kingdom (You could add the Khoisan's yearning for an independent country, but our government doesn't recognise them and they don't have any outside support😔)
The Zulu Kingdom already exists as its own entity, but it's not a country that happens to be ruled as a monarchy.
The Cape Independence is moving ahead strongly with 58% of voters supporting it. And the Volkstaat for the Boers is being built daily but will take many years to become a reality.
States don’t want to encourage secession they’d rather see the parent consent to independence before they confer recognition.
The ambiguous status of Kosovo just shows how hypocritical the international community is when it comes to that principle. And then Russia doesn't recognise Kosovo while they're trying to gobble up Ukraine.
And many countries only got 'parent consent' because it became less trouble to just let them go than keep fighting wars against them. How many lives get lost in the meantime?
@@morbidsearch I agree. There is an absence of a common international process whereby new states can emerge. Hence, states await the consent of the parent state but if that is not forthcoming they would likely bestow recognition if it serves their national interests. It’s unfortunate because this results in a situation where the status of the seceding entity remains undermined for a prolonged period.
@@Sharkyabdi All this usually bothered me, but the more people you have to work with and the more capable a facist regime is of fighting a rebel the more complications can come out
@@Sharkyabdi Usually it's best to educate about the details on situation and what it could well, reserve your opinion, and then throw your support all in when the times right.
We fought thousands of small wars, experienced multiple global famines and both world wars were related to allieences made for borders that had disputes over shipping routes whenever it wasn't about land. We don't want to cause those again just because we forgot about it as history progressed
A proud somalilander subscriber from hargeisa here.
beggggg
"Didn't have enough bullets to say no." Haha
We appreciate you about our beloved country Somaliland 💚 🤍 ❤️