Amen brother! Unfortunately we aren’t gonna be perfect this side of glory either because of our corrupted bodies however 1 John If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
“I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.” Romans 16:17-18 ESV
Which is exactly what conservatives are doing, causing division, since the church had not a hint of homophobia in it nor ever interpreted any scripture to be about homosexuality until the 1940s.
Exodus International closed for the harm they caused with their reparative therapy. You people still aren't getting it, cause you use the same Book that affirms a polygamist lifestyle.
You're still saying that by loving who we love, we're doing something evil. But I'm sorry, you're wrong... It's hard to say this without asking you to question your faith (which I would never want to do) but love doesn't harm because it can't! I think sometimes, well meaning folks like you focus on the technicalities of scripture but don't see the greatest commandment: to LOVE... and we are capable of selfless, romantic love.
Our modern world and its lbgtq activities are a repeat of Noah's pre-flood era. As counter, we Christians are to stand as lights in our neighborhood and tell them about Jesus. We are in a battle.
You're saying that by loving who we love, we're doing something evil. But I'm sorry, you're wrong... It's hard to say this without asking you to question your faith (which I would never want to do) but love doesn't harm because it can't! I think sometimes, well meaning folks like you focus on the technicalities of scripture but don't see the greatest commandment: to LOVE... and we are capable of selfless, romantic love.
“‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.” Leviticus 13
About love- Logos means truth What does the Bible say about this God is never mocked He loves people and will forgive if they want to change Love people by telling them We are all sinners but we all need to get saved and obey the Word of God- God doesn't surgar coat His Word He is not mocked
King James Version 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
You're saying that by loving who we love, we're doing something evil. But I'm sorry, you're wrong... It's hard to say this without asking you to question your faith (which I would never want to do) but love doesn't harm because it can't! I think sometimes, well meaning folks focus on the technicalities of scripture but don't see the greatest commandment: to LOVE... and we are capable of selfless, romantic love.
@@KeilyShhh There’s nothing technical a battery anything else and you forget about disagreeing with me you’re disagreeing with God. One man dressing up like little boat Pete so another man can stick it in this keister? And you wanna call out love you know it’s bad about you people long as you were doing that nonsense with other adults nobody been bothering you now you wanna push it on kids I’ll put it to use voice speaking on a personal level I will stop if I were you. I don’t got anything to do with love apparently you didn’t read the verse you leave natural affection God created the family Satan wants to destroy a man and another man together a woman and another woman together? You have two choices you can repaint the side and put it behind you because God loves us all or you can more or less tell god you’re gonna do it your way and you can in like a far but remember this when you do that’s what you asked for.
Both the Old & New Testaments describe homosexual activity as an abomination to God. He loves the gays/lesbians, but they would need to live as brothers or sisters with their partners.
You're saying that by loving who we love, we're doing something so incredibly evil. But I'm sorry, you're wrong... It's hard to say this without asking you to question your faith (which I would never want to do) but love doesn't harm because it can't! I think sometimes, well meaning folks focus on the technicalities of scripture but don't see the greatest commandment: to LOVE... and we are capable of selfless, romantic love.
@@KeilyShhh With all due respect, the Bible clearly tells us in both the Old and New Testaments that homosexual activity is sinful, just as other sexual acts are (fornication, adultery, ....). There is nothing wrong with love, only when it becomes sexual sin. There are gays/lesbians who have surrendered their lives to Jesus Christ and live with their partners as brothers/sisters. Jesus is coming for a bride without spot or wrinkle.
@@pegc9889 Thanks for getting back to me. I know Christians who, like you (well, at least I'm assuming that this is your position but sorry if I'm misunderstanding), believe that being in love with someone of the same gender is great! But it's so incredibly evil (the worst thing in the world!!) when you show that love to someone. I would say that love isn't complete until it's expressed... if someone told me that loving my family is wonderful but expressing it to them is sin... I just... I'm sorry, am I supposed to understand how it's possible to separate out the two.... More than that though... how would life be worth living if I couldn't express my love to people whom I treasure?
@@KeilyShhh We show love to people in many different ways and sex isn't the only way it's shown. I would suggest that anyone who has homosexual tendencies should pray to the Lord for a healing. There are many people whom the Father has set free/healed from this.
@@pegc9889 Okay. It's not okay for you to diminish my relationship and the most special part of me (my ability to love my beautiful wife) down to nothing but sex. I think you mean well but your message... it nearly claimed my life. Because how could god love me if the most special part about me is so vile...? We don't need to be healed because who we are is not broken. Have a nice day.
This must be said. I once met a woman, in her late 50s, who was upset, because she'd heard that a potential new law, was meant to force churches to allow gays and trans people into their private organizations. We had been having such a good conversation, for a good while, so I felt it was only right to tell her two things. (1) I'm bisexual with a strong preference for women. (2) She has every right to be upset, and I agree with her She was visibly shocked when I told her the nature of my sexuality. She was even more shocked when I sided with her. Matthew 7:1-5 is the reason I leave all judgement to the father. Which means I can't judge anyone for wanting to exclude people, like me, from their private religious group. There are already an abundance of churches who willingly accept all types of people, regardless of sexual orientation. So who, honestly, would even want to go to a place that very clearly doesn't welcome them? Personally, I'd find it too difficult to focus on worship, in a situation such as that. I told her that respect is a 2 way street. I asked her to think about how well we were getting along, before I revealed my sexuality. We both despise "woke" culture and both agree on the fact that too many people are faking mental health disorders, for attention, which makes it worse for people who actually do have problems. We both feel there are probably more people pretending to be transgender, than actual transgender people. And parents who give their kids hormone blockers, because they believe their 8 year old is trans, are actually participants in the modern version of the opioid epidemic. Those puberty blockers have irreversible effects on people. We agreed on so many things. I told her that if she still felt like my sexuality was too much, to allow us to be friends, then I wouldn't hold any hard feelings, and would forgive her. It's what I'm supposed to do. And I'm happy to say that I still have her as a friend and motherly figure, because we gave the other a fair chance.
What part of these verses don't u understand? Leviticus 18:22 Leviticus 20:13 1 Corinthians 6:9 1 Timothy 1:10 Most sins are intermittent, homosexuality is a bold faced continuous practice of sins, if u voted for these ppl, or sympathize with them, u will not escape the punishment as in the day of Sodom n Gomorrah. read ur bible, don't change what the bible said, u will be accounted for what u have practicipated in, as said in ur bible, "wolves in sheep's clothing" r in UMC as said in Matt 7:15, there's no excuse for what u have done. Homosexuality has no place in the kingdom of God no matters how u want of twist or spin it. u will reap what u sowed.
I like what you wrote. Don't agree with everything. But I agree with most of what you wrote. We are not to judge, but as Christians, we are to stand firm on God's word.
the gospel is only for those who are humble in heart..we welcome sinners but not their sin...God's business is turning sinners to saints, not saints to back being sinners...
Asking someone to repent for harming others is very different than asking them to repent for being with a person that they have so deeply fallen in love with. Please stop lumping the two together and saying that we don't have the right to be SO incredibly hurt when you tell us that we need to embrace the dehumanizing process of repenting for the most special part of ourselves: our ability to give and receive LOVE.
@@yunablu6241 If I hurt someone, YES... asking for forgiveness from them and god is redemption and that's the most amazing thing in the world!! We all need that! But please tell me, how does it not hurt (in a way that words can never express) when you're told that how you love and expressing that love to someone is evil? It's awful... that's why I struggled with su1 ssside and why most queer people I know have gone through the same thing (feeling like there's no place for us in this world). PS Sorry for the misspelling of su1 ssside... UA-cam won't let me post comments with that word. Let me know if you don't understand.
I will probably lose my church over this. Most of our small congregation are very conservative. I am not. That’s all I can say on this forum. Peace and love to all of us.
Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness but rather, reprove them for, it is a shame even to speak of the things done by them in secret. KJV
The Bible says not to add to or take away from the word. The scripture is against LGBTQ, it's in the book of thesolonians.a man shall not lye with another man.
Romans 1:26-27 which says: "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion." How can one read this and conclude that the bible says sexual acts involving same sexed individuals could be anything but "shameful lusts" "unnatural relations" "indecent acts" "received...due penalty for their perversion"....... Did you hear that?...." due penalty for their perversion"......Perversion of what? "Natural relations". This passage is plain and clear. God called homosexual acts "shameful lusts"" "unnatural perversion” and will have a "penalty". End of story. And I must point out that this part of the passage “In the same way the men also abandoned *natural relations with women* and were inflamed with lust for one another” is clearly stating that the “natural relations” the writer is referring to here are the “natural relations” a man has with a women and not the relations a man has with another man even if they both feel as if it is natural for them. Don't get me wrong.....God gave man free will, and here in America one is free to have sex with whom he/she pleases. If one wants to satisfy their lust for each other in ways that God did not intend, then by all means, let them go for it. Just do not say that God's word justifies their actions. If one sticks up their middle finger at God in rebellion and says “I don't give a sh__t what you want. I am going to do it my way." Instead of confessing that they are a sinner and are trying their best not to sin, then they will get exactly what they wanted......the rest of eternity with their own made up fake gods and not the real “God”. This goes just as well for every other sin under the sun not just homosexuality. Are we to love and help those that practice what God has called "shameful lusts" "unnatural relations" "indecent acts" and "perversion"? Well yes we are, they are the very ones Jesus died for, but even Jesus after stopping the stoning of the women caught in the act of adultery said to her *_“Go and sin no more”._* Accepting and affirming the perverse behavior of those that practiced such things is essentially telling them that their behavior is OK with God despite God’s clear opposition to those behaviors. Keep in mind that if God did indeed make the universe and all mankind then it is he that would know what is best for us... If you chose not to take his advice then the results you suffer are your own fault. P.S. Millstones are very heavy….. Pray for these pastors leading the children astray.
Both my grand daddy and dad were Methodist preachers from the old British Methodist denomination. Both who have passed, would have not agreed and will never agree if they were living now on this decision by the united Methodist General Conference on lifting the ban over same sex marriage or homosexual pastors. One side of the coin of people say "All you need is love".. like Beatles' sang it. Other side of coin say "What's love got to do with it", a song by Tina Turner. I personally welcome homosexuals to worship in church worship and activities but never will agree or accept a same sex marriage in churches nor LGBQT+ clergy on the pulpit. Folks can keep on saying, " Love your neighbor as thy self".. and need to learn to love and accept, etc. The same loving God also can be angry God, a jealous God, etc. Jesus could have welcomed all the vendors selling stuff by the synagogue; instead, he drove the merchants and consumers. Having alphabet soup community clergy onto pulpit is same as having serial killers on death rows to come and preach, and kill ppl and come back next Sunday to preach. several of the UMC folks I know and I are visiting non UMC churches. someone can write a book titled " rise and fall of UMC" or United sodom and gomorrah church.
Okay... I'm not saying that you hate us queer folks... but a) we don't hate you and b) you're still saying that by loving who we love, we're doing something evil. But I'm sorry, you're wrong... It's hard to say this without asking you to question your faith (which I would never want to do) but love doesn't harm because it can't! I think sometimes, well meaning folks like you focus on the technicalities of scripture but don't see the greatest commandment: to LOVE... and we are capable of selfless, romantic love.
@@KeilyShhh It think the gay community miss understands many Christians. They don’t hate you, they are extending love and concern over a life style that is not tolerated by God. True Christians are more concerned of your salvation as described by Paul in 1 Corinthians 6: 9-10. Paul also says be careful of teachers that want to “tickle your ear” and preach what people want to hear and the true word of God. We must believe the whole Bible, not just the parts we want to believe. Sodom and Gomorrah are a perfect of example of how God fells towards that lifestyle. Blessings
@@davidweigel2238 Thanks for getting back to me. So... what I would say is that I don't see love for me and my community in the bible. Leviticus commands the exc^tion of all of us (for all who lived in old testament times). That's a hloca^st... And every single Christian on the planet earth always says "Well, Jesus came so now everything's fine because we're under the new covenant"... But time doesn't excuse the hloc^ust that happened in old testament days anymore than it diminishes the impact of the one that happened 80 years ago!!! Also... lol, I don't know if you care to know this but I struggled with feeling like there's no place for me in this world for me if how I loved is on par with the most evil things in the world. I had to reject the bible in order to know that god does love me!! I didn't see a way out... and I think most queer people have experienced the same thing.
All sex outside Holy Matrimony is Forbidden by God .It is Sin. All Sin shall br judged.The wages of Sin is death. Repent ye. Believe the Gospel.And Obey. 🥁🥁🥁🎺🎺🎺🔈🔉🔊 Proclaim the Truth.The True Gospel. It us Exclusive not Inclusive. Jesus said: I am the way, the Truth and the life and no one comes to the Father but by me. John 14:6 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔☣☣☣☣☣☣
Funny this whole thing rests on one word and definition used that even going back to Pauls time never existed. His epistles were written for a time and place that existed 1800 years ago. Homosexuality is a word we invented in the present, it tells us more about how people project their definitions onto the original Koine Greek manuscripts across time then does about what the word actually meant. The word ἀρσενοκοῖται in greek had no clear definition because it doesn't appear anywhere except in the Bible, I'm no supporter of homosexuality but to say that we know this word means "homosexual activity" is just modern day projection.
You cannot change the gospel to fit your own personal desires! God is very clear in the scriptures on how he feels about homosexuality, I mean he destroyed an entire city largely because of the fact that they were committing acts of homosexuality amongst other sins! Jesus will be back soon to punish those that do what they please and do not have the blood protection of Jesus Christ! Your time is almost up people get right with God before it's too late
@@johngodwin8239 you're looking for a reason to get away with whatever you want to do, that's all you're doing!! I gave you one of the best possible examples in the Bible about not committing acts of homosexuality in the same thread that you just responded to, and you're choosing to look over that fact! I would be willing to bet that you have never even read the Bible in its entirety!!!I bet you, you just googled where does it say in the Bible that you can't be gay and you found out that it doesn't say that exact sentence anywhere and now you feel like you have an argument. God is very clear that sex is between a man and a woman who are married...plain and simple!! God never had to say specifically in the scriptures that you shouldn't put your penis and another man's rectum in order for it to be clear when you read the Bible that he doesn't like that! As human beings we don't even have to read the Bible to know that something is wrong, we are born already knowing what is right and what is wrong! It's in our genetic code...When you're a child and you've lied about something to your parents you will do everything you can to prevent them from finding out that you lied to them because you don't want to get in trouble... It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the fact that the child must have known that it was wrong or else that child wouldn't have the ability to be afraid of getting in trouble for that lie! He wouldn't be afraid if he didn't think he did anything wrong. It's common sense!! Men don't usually come right out as soon as they realize they have a sexual interest in other men because of embarrassment.... You don't have to go to school for psychology to realize that a person cannot be embarrassed about something that is normal or something that is right you can only be embarrassed about something that is wrong or something that is strange!! You can go into all of that woke culture bull crap and talk about the fact that it's the society that's wrong for looking down on homosexuals and they're the ones who are wrong because they are close-minded bigots, if that's what you want to do but you know that that is not true. You were born with a connection to God so you know damn well who is wrong in that situation. People who are doing sexually immoral things(not just homosexuality) even call it 'nasty" and "freaky"...... They are literally putting a proper label on what they are doing and then trying to act like it's normal and the people who disagree or the ones with the problem!
@@child_of_God316 To be honest, I stopped reading after you said I was looking for a way to get away with whatever I want to do, since I literally do absolutely nothing except sit by myself with my dog every day and night and live across the road from my elderly parents. My only interest in this subject is the fact my parents have decided to stop going to their United Methodist affiliated church b/c of all the divisions and arguments this issue has created. I am referring to the Gospel's, which as you should know refer to the writings of the New Testament, which include the words of our Lord Jesus Christ . (you know- all of the red highlighted wording). Jesus was not alive during the Old Testament, which is the one example you use to spread your hatred and division. Scholars have different opinions on what exactly was going on in Sodom and Gomorrah, most believe it had little to do with homosexuality and more to do with gluttony and self-righteous behavior, since there is no mention of men having sex with men or women and women. Whatever. It doesn't matter to me. This is the reason I stopped attending any organized religious church many years ago. It's the complete hypocrisy and picking and choosing scripture to support whatever divisive policy or particular hatred one has for a group of people. Jesus was quite clear- love one another! The Bible has been used to support the use of slavery, denial of women's rights, interracial marriage, etc. I see this may be the last nail in the coffin for organized religion. When you say one thing, but do another it doesn't take too long before people notice and say enough is enough.
@@johngodwin8239 you're not a Christian if you are adding or taking away words from the scripture. You people are pathetic. the ones that are following the scripture are not the ones causing the division one's trying to make up their own version of The Gospel are the ones that are causing the division and I think you know that deep down in your heart. I would hate to be you people on judgment Day. That is such a narcissistic thing to do to accuse other people of doing the same thing that you're doing.... And by the way there was absolutely mention of men having sex together in Sodom the town even tried to rape the only two men that were outsiders that came into the town because they didn't know they were both angels. You clearly do not know the scripture and you're rooting for the devils team and yet you are proclaiming that you are a Christian... That is what is wrong with the world today crappy people like you who are pretending to be Christians!! If you really have been saved and you really have faith in Jesus Christ and I would beg for forgiveness because you are tearing apart the very foundation that he stands for while you proclaim to be one of his followers. God bless you and I hope you get your act together if you are in fact a Christian
First of all, I never proclaimed to be a Christian. It was people like you claiming to be Christians, but judging others and telling them they are going to hell that drove me away from your so-called church of Christ. There is nothing Christ- like in your responses to me. I also learned a long time ago the people who are the loudest opponents of gay people are the ones who have personal issues with their own homosexual desires. They think by screaming so loudly names towards the faggots and queers and demonizing their actions so clearly it will convince everyone of their complete heterosexual lifestyle! You continue to bring up one section of the Old Testament to claim the moral high ground, but Jesus never mentioned anything about gay people, and that is a fact! He said to love one another, and judge not, lest you be judged. I can only pray that you find some peace within yourself to love yourself and others the way Christ would love his children. If you think Christ would call people he has never met on the Internet names and proclaim they are not Christians, while offering absolutely no love and compassion towards his fellow man then you clearly did not read the same teachings of Christ I read. If the Christian church were actually Christ-like, I would have no problem proclaiming to be a Christian. However, if you and your words toward me, a person you have never met and know absolutely nothing about are what Christians are like, then I want no part of that religion.
10 ‘Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God’ 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 , the churches have definitely lost their way from the scriptures, satan has taken over a lot of churches and it’ll only end one way hell bound
The mandate of the church is to worship God and make our lives about him. Beyond the walls of the church we are to live Circumspectly. That is, to work hard at living as we are called to be examples. All such movements are quite the opposite as they march and chant “ I am all about me, validate me.” Christians neither need accepted nor promoted by the world as we have been accepted in the beloved by Christ. What are the methodists thinking?
Genesis 1:21-22 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good." And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth." Genesis 1:27-28 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth." Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh." Deuteronomy 22:5 "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God. Leviticus 20:13 'If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." The death penaltv of Old Testament was done awav with b Messiah Jesus Christ, but not repenting for transgression against GOD's laws will lead to damnation Hell fire. 1 Corinthians 6:9 "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind."Galatians 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ve which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted." I study from Torah and Holy Bible. When innocent blood is shed, this still requires blood for blood.
Where does the Bible say that explicitly? Does not the Word say He hates the wicked? Is the sin committed attached to the sinner always or does God judge the sinner but leave the sinner free of those actions? Psalm 11:5 Psalms 5:5 Pslam 145:20 The Word of God says He hated Easu. This is what happens to many, especially those who condone it within the congregation. God gives them over to the lie.
@@n9wff No... God hates sin because it comes from temptation of satan but he doesn't hate the person committing it. He just wants the person to do better and try and avoid sin.
@@n9wff Psalm 11:5 God hates people who love to do wicked sin and violence. So basically he hates people who love to sin and don't feel the least bit sorry for it. You have to be a very evil and wicked person for him to feel this way about you. And it's only because you love the sin you commit. Psalm 5:5 is basically saying what I described in psalm 11:5 Psalm 145:20 describes what will happen to those people who love wicked sin and continue with it.
It's seems like they are so very interested in getting money from the Church that raised it. Their little saying about disciples. .... Seem to be a go to phrase when what they really want is the Money ....
The Church is not a political party or a democracy. The church is dictated by the bible and the bible clearly states homosexual practices his a sin. So should the thief and murderer and adulterer continue with the practice and be accepted by God and his Church??? No chance. Neither should homosexuality
God is not a belief he is real, and if you knew him through Jesus Christ, you would know that they are real. It’s a relationship, not a belief. and if you don’t have the Lord, you don’t have anything SORRY
@@claracox1916 You are defending an “a priori” doctrinal statement. Where is scripture does Jesus say “Have a personal relationship with me,” however Jesus says in scripture, “Let not your hearts be troubled. Believe in God; believe also in me. Matthew 18:6; “Do not let your hearts be troubled. Believe[a] in God; believe also in me,” John 14:1. If you want, I can go on an on. Please know your scriptures.
@@pop-upprayerwithpapaa8250 if your neighbor stands and knocks on your door, are you gonna let them come in?If you have a father, don’t you have a relationship with your father John 14 says a lot. I love the Lord. He loves me. The Lord knocked at my door. I opened it and I let him in and we visit with one another all the time and I like it I’m going to keep it, and I’m sorry for other people that does not have this relationship with the father, the son, and the Holy Spirit.
@@alanaban3519 Jesus said nothing about it, dude. He said a lot about the poor and marginalized though. I'm sure you're working hard for those communities, right?
God did not create homosexuals. God created us in the image of himself. God loves them but he wants them to come to him through his son Jesus Christ who has redeemed them. They can come to church but they cannot change the doctrine of the gospel of Jesus Christ in the Bible.
@Larry Sinclair First of all, you feel that you are holding true to your faith and I understand that and even admire you for it. Secondly, if I compared your loving relationship with your spouse and (way more importantly), your ABILITY to give and receive love to something so disgusting as molestation or murder... that would not fly. I LOVE my beautiful wife... Please stop telling us we don't have the right to be offended when you speak about us like we're dogs. PS, I can show you study after study that shows (on a neurological level) that our feelings of affection and attraction to the same gender are just as real as a straight person's experiences.
In last few months I have read Mark, Ephesians and Jude! God is up changeable! He is Good! We need to read Gods Word whom we are as flesh and sin and renew our minds by God’s Word, He’s the one who gives us our identity in Christ for our Spirit and Soul to Soar in His Name! Keep running the Race in Absolute Truth!
In other words; Just tell them/him/her/whatever to get out. Why should you allow their perverted ways to destroy the church??? Here's another one; 'Should you help the ungodly and should you love them that hate the LORD? That's why wrath is upon you from before the LORD.' KJV
Of course we are to love the homosexual person but not their lifestyle. Christians are called to love everyone without prejudice and pray for those who are in darkness.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11-Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
The piece misstates the divide. To be accurate it needs to state the Bible’s position on homosexuality and that traditional churches are inclusive of all persons but support traditional marriage and clergy due to biblical teachings. Progressives are following their approach to the Bible that Jesus did not talk about homosexuality. Conveniently ignoring Jesus first miracle at a wedding between a man and a woman and other scripture. Is the Bible in all its versions the word of God ?
Wow, journalism today is so anemic. Crappy editing, no analysis, clearly no understanding of the issue. Just sound bites with no meaning. Y'all should go back to school kids.
Read Jude last book in the Bible before Revelations. Its an easy quick read. With a message that describes what we are dealing with in our Churches and our Schools. There are ungodly people who despise the church and God. We are warned in the bible. Be careful who you let into your church. Why? No one who is coming into a church and especially overseeing a church. They're not comng in without making changes. These ungodly people will implement their own ideologies. With that comes wolves in sheeps clothing. Once you stray away from tne truth of God's word. That church you are in, will come tumbling down spiritually. When you use bricks to build your building. Your foundation is strong, not subject to fall down. But when you build on your own beliefs. Using whatever material you choose, that building, it will fall. This is not to say gay people do not believe in the Lord. But they are not obeying God’s law. God loves his children. But he has given us his perfect word to stand on and when you add your thoughts to God’s word that tower will crumble. Therefore they have no choice but to split and stay true to the Lord, not man.
You cannot change the word of God to fit the world. God made man and woman and said be fruitful and multiply have your eyes opened in the name of Jesus Jesus says go and sin no more
Good video and very well put. The UMC has been a train wreck ever before they became "woke." I was brought up in the UMC. My family have been Methodist for many generations all the way back to the Wesleyan movement in England. My grandfather and great - great grandfather were both Methodist pastors. I imagine they both are rolling over in their graves over this new direction the Church is taking. I made the decision to leave 20 years ago and aligned with a more conservative and Bible Believing and Teaching Church. It appears the UMC looks at the Bible like a bag of trail mix - pick out the pieces you like (agree with) and leave (ignore) the rest. Sorry folks, the Bible is the Whole Truth - it does not work that way. It appears as if their book of Discipline has become their new “Bible” and they can change anything in it to suit their desires.
who in UMC start all these pro lgbtq movement? who r the pro lgbtq, bishops n pastors? how come none of them were mentioned? why they are hiding their identity if they were right? do u have a list?
Amen to that. My husband and I were married in a methodist church 11 years ago the pastor was amazing he counseled us he did everything by the book I went in there a few years ago to help a girlfriend pick up some things from that church and it is now ran by 2 women which is against The Bible for one and they were a lesbian couple for 2 and I'm sorry but pink haired women running a church we are all in trouble
Salam, Shlomo, Shalom, Peace. Paul & Barnabas Were Sworn Enemies, Barnabas Wrote His Monotheistic Gospel, Which Mostly Aligns With The Quran, But The Vatican Has Hidden This Gospel. Paul Wished For Christianity To Be More Widely Accepted, Thus He Emulated The Greek And Roman Mythological Polytheistic Religions. The Greek Zeus Became Jesus Son Of Mary. The Roman Triad Of Juno, Jupiter & Minerva, Became God [Father], Son & Holy Ghost. This Was Emulated Into The Gospel In The Year 325 AD At The Treaty Of Nicaea, With Roman Constantine. Both Paul And Barnabas Were Alive 325 Years After Christ, Thus They Did Not Even Know Him. Proof Of This Is Even Our Days, Months, Years, Star Signs And Planets, Are All Named After Greek And Roman Gods.
What part of these verses don't u understand? Leviticus 18:22 Leviticus 20:13 1 Corinthians 6:9 1 Timothy 1:10 Most sins are intermittent, homosexuality is a bold faced continuous practice of sins, if u voted for these ppl, or sympathize with them, u will not escape the punishment as in the day of Sodom n Gomorrah. read ur bible, don't change what the bible said, u will be accounted for what u have practicipated in, as said in ur bible, "wolves in sheep's clothing" r in UMC as said in Matt 7:15, there's no excuse for what u have done. Homosexuality has no place in the kingdom of God no matters how u want of twist or spin it. u will reap what u sowed.
They’ve decided that something that follows natures optimal must be broken because it doesn’t fit or suit their needs. The church has now been attacked, bought and payed for.
@Duane The Bible doesn't talk about a "homosexual lifestyle", but it does talk about a judgmental lifestyle as in Romans 2. Also, a lifestyle of polygamy was acceptable in Biblical times, and not condemned. You could sell your Daughter as a sex slave as per Exodus 21:7-11.
I am SURE the inclusion your dad believed in did not mean to include those that continued to practice Lies Stealing Not helping those in need Fornication Adultery, NOR homosexuality.
@@Dave-lz3rm The Bible does not say that those are right either-- sale of dau., and pologamy, etc. In the Old and New Testament, God did command "you shall not lie with a man (if you are a man) as you would with a woman; that goes for women too.
But look..now they got a trans pastor how would he feel about that? The pastor dresses in full drag in, sermon. How much inclusión is to much, when you can't tell the world from the church?
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@Duane this is not a direct reference to homosexuality. Marriage at that time was between a man and woman, though realistically, some men had concubines during g the Biblical era. I am glad we stopped that nonsense, aren't you?
@Duane that is your interpretation. I honestly believe God made all in his or her image. God also loves people as they are. Jesus was harsher on religious zealots that excluded people rather than embracing those who judged others and held fast to rules. Remember, he hung out with those the righteous people condemned.
@Duane Jesus also said not to judge people. That is the whole point of Roman, the gospels had many passages about it too. .I take the Bible seriously, and I see Jesus as one who criticized the pious people who used religion as a weapon to hurt others. I will not discuss this anymore. Enjoy life in the GMC. I will be remaining in the UMC. Go in peace.
Amen . My husband and I were married in a message church in central Texas 11 years ago that church was ran by The Bible by the book literally I went in there last year to help a friend out and now the churches ran by 2 women that are partners as in they are lesbian partners both had pink hair Sorry women do not belong for one as pastors and for 2 this goes against everything The Bible says
@Larry Sinclair You're still saying that by loving who we love, we're doing something so incredibly evil. But I'm sorry, you're wrong... It's hard to say this without asking you to question your faith (which I would never want to do) but love doesn't harm because it can't! I think sometimes, well meaning folks focus on the technicalities of scripture but don't see the greatest commandment: to LOVE... and we are capable of selfless, romantic love.
If you say homosexuality is not a sin, than everything else in the following list can not be considered sin any longer, for consistency sake; 1 Corinthians,6:9-10-Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
@@alanaban3519 When it compares our choices to be with someone we LOVE to unspeakable actions (like murder or molestation)... k0smon is right! Love is love and it can't harm no matter what your antiquated book says. BTW, if I said the same things about you and your ability to love, that would not fly. So why would you think that us queer folks aren't allowed to be offended? We aren't dogs... we're people!
@@KeilyShhh thanks I like how you describe the book / what a sad thing/ not because a book is old it mean that we cannot learn from it / it has many things to teach us. That is one of the problem like charge repel each other it is unnatural for like charge to attract each other. Love is to point out to the one you love when they are going the wrong way. We correct our children in love which is sometimes contrary to they likeing
@@alanaban3519 You correct them in love according to the bible? Okay, let's keep things biblical... Leviticus 20:13 calls for the exc^tion of my entire community (in old testament times). If your child lived back in those days and was gay, they would have been snuffed out in that hloca^st... You don't have to care about me but when it comes to your children, is that really what you'd want?? BTW, Don't give me this crap of "Well Jesus came so we're under the new covenant now". Time doesn't excuse the hloc^ust that happened in old testament days anymore than it diminishes the impact of the one that happened 80 years ago.
Who decree what is right and what is wrong / the creator do not all sin to go unpunish according to his will that is y they will be judgment / we cannot fully understand God because of our infinite nind / God is not
Omg the woman "pastor" said it all when she was talking she started out saying I thi then caught herself and said we think. There in lies the problem these so called pastors putting their opinions and beliefs ahead of scripture.
History is going to repeat self, and he’s coming not everybody is going to say Jesus. The Bible said that they will say depart for me that I don’t know you you’re wicked. You better be ready to meet Jesus.
my family was some of the first students in the Methodist church when it was still a club and they came to upstate ny to help set up churches and after I came out of the closet and married my husband my family has cut all ties to this hatred church I had family who are world renown leaders in bible doctrine and study for many institutions and they can find that there is no true evidence of homosexuality in the original translations it is all modern interpretation that has been set a drift and I'm not ashamed for leaving my church my community left because it's what is right and now I practice a traditional religion my native American ancestors practice that is more welcoming and I feel a more spiritual connection and a belonging to my gods
The Bible did not lose or change translation. The Holy Spirit is the writer using the voice and pen of prophets and scribes who believe in a Holy God. What books and research have you done? or you just believe what someone else said. Don't blame your believing family; you are the only one who's made the choice to live a lbgtq lifestyle.
@@hardej4272 I never chose to be gay being gay is a genetic disposition I would rather choose to believe my family who are bible scholars who study the language and the document humans for hundreds of years couldn't read or write so they went to church to be educated by a minister if you ever played the game phone you know the message changes from the original word or phrase the original translation is the original translation and the fact is the language in the bible has been changed to fit modern homophobic perspectives how do we go from a bible where it said a man should not lay with a boy to the verse saying a man should not lay with another man it ha two different meanings
@@GAYRURALGUY Why throw tantrum telling people, who dont support the lgbtq lifestyle, bigots or homophobes. There is no such thing as "gay babies". They were either born a baby boy or a baby girl. Gay is a lifestyle not "biological sex".
@@red37i59 your sexuality is based on genetics it is determined when the egg and sperm combines that creates the human being yes I chose not to oppress my natural biological urges why would u hide anything that makes you who you are why would I want to marry a woman who I could not fully love someone who I'm not attracted to why would I marry women when I probably would chose to cheat on her with man and have relations that I enjoy I live my life happy I love my husband and I'm building a beautiful life with him i left my religion and i felt a spiritual calling for my new religion and I feel like I have a connection and I'm excepted for being gay and there's nothing wrong with it in the religion because people dont care about running your lives
i could've sworn that guy in the New Testament said "Go, and sin no more" not "Go, and continue sinning with remorse or repentance"
Amen brother! Unfortunately we aren’t gonna be perfect this side of glory either because of our corrupted bodies however 1 John If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
Are straight women that desperate for men that they need gay men to get them pregnant?
You think heterosexuals are having sex to make babies? I don’t. They’re doing it for power and pleasure 98% of the time. What is so holy about that?
“I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.”
Romans 16:17-18 ESV
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Which is exactly what conservatives are doing, causing division, since the church had not a hint of homophobia in it nor ever interpreted any scripture to be about homosexuality until the 1940s.
We are all sinners. But Jesus tells us "Go, and sin no more." His words say I do not condemn you, I redirect you.
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Exodus International closed for the harm they caused with their reparative therapy. You people still aren't getting it, cause you use the same Book that affirms a polygamist lifestyle.
@@Dave-lz3rm are child molesters born that way? Should we try to change them?
You're still saying that by loving who we love, we're doing something evil. But I'm sorry, you're wrong... It's hard to say this without asking you to question your faith (which I would never want to do) but love doesn't harm because it can't! I think sometimes, well meaning folks like you focus on the technicalities of scripture but don't see the greatest commandment: to LOVE... and we are capable of selfless, romantic love.
Just note everyone, Kiely is a stalker of those who disagree with his view.
The gospel of inclusion. The great falling away.
We cannot love the creator and have our own way we have to follow his way / that is the problem
If youre that fragile then what hope do you have against me face to face?
The disagreement is not over gay RIGHTS. It is whether gay sex and marriage is compatible with biblical Christianity.
We should, as Christians, identify with Christ, not with whatever our sexual desires may be.
It is not love but unfortunately lust
Also having our own way that pleases ourself not god
Bullshit
@@laurapenny3181 agree to disagree
and they are proud of it, the churches "open mindfulness" will lead to damnation
God saids to flee from sin and all it's evil "Turn now from your ways and your evil deeds but they did not hear nor heed Me says the Lord.
Our modern world and its lbgtq activities are a repeat of Noah's pre-flood era. As counter, we Christians are to stand as lights in our neighborhood and tell them about Jesus. We are in a battle.
You're saying that by loving who we love, we're doing something evil. But I'm sorry, you're wrong... It's hard to say this without asking you to question your faith (which I would never want to do) but love doesn't harm because it can't! I think sometimes, well meaning folks like you focus on the technicalities of scripture but don't see the greatest commandment: to LOVE... and we are capable of selfless, romantic love.
@@KeilyShhh The Bible says that a man loving a man like that or a woman loving a woman like that is sinful.
@@mrholeio3060 This is the fourth time you've replied to a message I've left... lol... I guess I should feel flattered...?
@@KeilyShhh Give it it you who belongs to….?
“‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.” Leviticus 13
Nothing like Christian hate to start the day
@@tasha6151 Resisting sin is not Christian hate.
About love- Logos means truth What does the Bible say about this God is never mocked He loves people and will forgive if they want to change Love people by telling them We are all sinners but we all need to get saved and obey the Word of God- God doesn't surgar coat His Word He is not mocked
Lust and perversion are not "love". They are the exact opposite of love.
Correct. Actually, they are sinful self-love, above the considerations of others.
Homosexuals are not more "lustful" than heterosexuals. And gays were born that way, which means that God created them that way.
King James Version
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Romans 1:26-28 KJV.
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@@xiemangun6389 Romans 2:1
You're saying that by loving who we love, we're doing something evil. But I'm sorry, you're wrong... It's hard to say this without asking you to question your faith (which I would never want to do) but love doesn't harm because it can't! I think sometimes, well meaning folks focus on the technicalities of scripture but don't see the greatest commandment: to LOVE... and we are capable of selfless, romantic love.
@@KeilyShhh There’s nothing technical a battery anything else and you forget about disagreeing with me you’re disagreeing with God. One man dressing up like little boat Pete so another man can stick it in this keister? And you wanna call out love you know it’s bad about you people long as you were doing that nonsense with other adults nobody been bothering you now you wanna push it on kids I’ll put it to use voice speaking on a personal level I will stop if I were you. I don’t got anything to do with love apparently you didn’t read the verse you leave natural affection God created the family Satan wants to destroy a man and another man together a woman and another woman together? You have two choices you can repaint the side and put it behind you because God loves us all or you can more or less tell god you’re gonna do it your way and you can in like a far but remember this when you do that’s what you asked for.
Follow the money.
We do not change our morals to gain followers. That's what Satan does.
Sad to see the continuous collapse of this religion. Overall membership has been declining for years.
Both the Old & New Testaments describe homosexual activity as an abomination to God. He loves the gays/lesbians, but they would need to live as brothers or sisters with their partners.
You're saying that by loving who we love, we're doing something so incredibly evil. But I'm sorry, you're wrong... It's hard to say this without asking you to question your faith (which I would never want to do) but love doesn't harm because it can't! I think sometimes, well meaning folks focus on the technicalities of scripture but don't see the greatest commandment: to LOVE... and we are capable of selfless, romantic love.
@@KeilyShhh With all due respect, the Bible clearly tells us in both the Old and New Testaments that homosexual activity is sinful, just as other sexual acts are (fornication, adultery, ....). There is nothing wrong with love, only when it becomes sexual sin. There are gays/lesbians who have surrendered their lives to Jesus Christ and live with their partners as brothers/sisters. Jesus is coming for a bride without spot or wrinkle.
@@pegc9889 Thanks for getting back to me. I know Christians who, like you (well, at least I'm assuming that this is your position but sorry if I'm misunderstanding), believe that being in love with someone of the same gender is great! But it's so incredibly evil (the worst thing in the world!!) when you show that love to someone.
I would say that love isn't complete until it's expressed... if someone told me that loving my family is wonderful but expressing it to them is sin... I just... I'm sorry, am I supposed to understand how it's possible to separate out the two.... More than that though... how would life be worth living if I couldn't express my love to people whom I treasure?
@@KeilyShhh We show love to people in many different ways and sex isn't the only way it's shown. I would suggest that anyone who has homosexual tendencies should pray to the Lord for a healing. There are many people whom the Father has set free/healed from this.
@@pegc9889 Okay. It's not okay for you to diminish my relationship and the most special part of me (my ability to love my beautiful wife) down to nothing but sex.
I think you mean well but your message... it nearly claimed my life. Because how could god love me if the most special part about me is so vile...?
We don't need to be healed because who we are is not broken. Have a nice day.
God does not have a problem with love. Love who you want. Sex on the other hand is the problem when it is same sex.
This must be said. I once met a woman, in her late 50s, who was upset, because she'd heard that a potential new law, was meant to force churches to allow gays and trans people into their private organizations. We had been having such a good conversation, for a good while, so I felt it was only right to tell her two things.
(1) I'm bisexual with a strong preference for women.
(2) She has every right to be upset, and I agree with her
She was visibly shocked when I told her the nature of my sexuality. She was even more shocked when I sided with her.
Matthew 7:1-5 is the reason I leave all judgement to the father. Which means I can't judge anyone for wanting to exclude people, like me, from their private religious group. There are already an abundance of churches who willingly accept all types of people, regardless of sexual orientation.
So who, honestly, would even want to go to a place that very clearly doesn't welcome them? Personally, I'd find it too difficult to focus on worship, in a situation such as that. I told her that respect is a 2 way street. I asked her to think about how well we were getting along, before I revealed my sexuality. We both despise "woke" culture and both agree on the fact that too many people are faking mental health disorders, for attention, which makes it worse for people who actually do have problems. We both feel there are probably more people pretending to be transgender, than actual transgender people. And parents who give their kids hormone blockers, because they believe their 8 year old is trans, are actually participants in the modern version of the opioid epidemic. Those puberty blockers have irreversible effects on people. We agreed on so many things. I told her that if she still felt like my sexuality was too much, to allow us to be friends, then I wouldn't hold any hard feelings, and would forgive her. It's what I'm supposed to do. And I'm happy to say that I still have her as a friend and motherly figure, because we gave the other a fair chance.
What part of these verses don't u understand?
Leviticus 18:22
Leviticus 20:13
1 Corinthians 6:9
1 Timothy 1:10
Most sins are intermittent, homosexuality is a bold faced continuous practice of sins, if u voted for these ppl, or sympathize with them, u will not escape the punishment as in the day of Sodom n Gomorrah. read ur bible, don't change what the bible said, u will be accounted for what u have practicipated in, as said in ur bible, "wolves in sheep's clothing" r in UMC as said in Matt 7:15, there's no excuse for what u have done. Homosexuality has no place in the kingdom of God no matters how u want of twist or spin it. u will reap what u sowed.
So you’re a bisexual bigot who’s uneducated about ancient Hebrew and Greek and ancient cultures. Got it.
I like what you wrote. Don't agree with everything. But I agree with most of what you wrote. We are not to judge, but as Christians, we are to stand firm on God's word.
Grow up. Stop having it both ways.
the gospel is only for those who are humble in heart..we welcome sinners but not their sin...God's business is turning sinners to saints, not saints to back being sinners...
Do not judge lest you be judged.Our job as Christians is not to condemn these people but to show them the way through love and scripture.
Asking someone to repent for harming others is very different than asking them to repent for being with a person that they have so deeply fallen in love with. Please stop lumping the two together and saying that we don't have the right to be SO incredibly hurt when you tell us that we need to embrace the dehumanizing process of repenting for the most special part of ourselves: our ability to give and receive LOVE.
@@KeilyShhh repenting is not dehumanizing..repenting is being humble and acknowledging God's authority...
@@yunablu6241 If I hurt someone, YES... asking for forgiveness from them and god is redemption and that's the most amazing thing in the world!! We all need that! But please tell me, how does it not hurt (in a way that words can never express) when you're told that how you love and expressing that love to someone is evil? It's awful... that's why I struggled with su1 ssside and why most queer people I know have gone through the same thing (feeling like there's no place for us in this world).
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Sorry for the misspelling of su1 ssside... UA-cam won't let me post comments with that word. Let me know if you don't understand.
@@moealbert7339 Exactly. This is what the original commenter was saying. We are to welcome them and redirect them.
“Before I can preach love, mercy, and grace, I must preach sin, Law, and judgment. Preach 90% Law and 10% grace.”
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I will probably lose my church over this. Most of our small congregation are very conservative. I am not. That’s all I can say on this forum. Peace and love to all of us.
Oh, so you welcome us queer folks?
@@KeilyShhh stalker of lies….
If you don’t follow sound Biblical doctrine you deserve to loose it!
Homosexuality is a sin, of course you would know that if you were a true believer.
Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness but rather, reprove them for, it is a shame even to speak of the things done by them in secret. KJV
BL69, if that's the case then no one would fellowship with anyone. We are all sinners.
The Bible says not to add to or take away from the word. The scripture is against LGBTQ, it's in the book of thesolonians.a man shall not lye with another man.
Romans 1:26-27 which says: "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion."
How can one read this and conclude that the bible says sexual acts involving same sexed individuals could be anything but "shameful lusts" "unnatural relations" "indecent acts" "received...due penalty for their perversion"....... Did you hear that?...." due penalty for their perversion"......Perversion of what? "Natural relations". This passage is plain and clear. God called homosexual acts "shameful lusts"" "unnatural perversion” and will have a "penalty". End of story.
And I must point out that this part of the passage “In the same way the men also abandoned *natural relations with women* and were inflamed with lust for one another” is clearly stating that the “natural relations” the writer is referring to here are the “natural relations” a man has with a women and not the relations a man has with another man even if they both feel as if it is natural for them.
Don't get me wrong.....God gave man free will, and here in America one is free to have sex with whom he/she pleases.
If one wants to satisfy their lust for each other in ways that God did not intend, then by all means, let them go for it. Just do not say that God's word justifies their actions.
If one sticks up their middle finger at God in rebellion and says “I don't give a sh__t what you want. I am going to do it my way." Instead of confessing that they are a sinner and are trying their best not to sin, then they will get exactly what they wanted......the rest of eternity with their own made up fake gods and not the real “God”. This goes just as well for every other sin under the sun not just homosexuality.
Are we to love and help those that practice what God has called "shameful lusts" "unnatural relations" "indecent acts" and "perversion"? Well yes we are, they are the very ones Jesus died for, but even Jesus after stopping the stoning of the women caught in the act of adultery said to her *_“Go and sin no more”._* Accepting and affirming the perverse behavior of those that practiced such things is essentially telling them that their behavior is OK with God despite God’s clear opposition to those behaviors.
Keep in mind that if God did indeed make the universe and all mankind then it is he that would know what is best for us... If you chose not to take his advice then the results you suffer are your own fault.
P.S. Millstones are very heavy….. Pray for these pastors leading the children astray.
Utter hell on Earth. Families, religions and nations will divide because of LGBTQIAism. Religious freedom dies with this movement.
Both my grand daddy and dad were Methodist preachers from the old British Methodist denomination. Both who have passed, would have not agreed and will never agree if they were living now on this decision by the united Methodist General Conference on lifting the ban over same sex marriage or homosexual pastors. One side of the coin of people say "All you need is love".. like Beatles' sang it. Other side of coin say "What's love got to do with it", a song by Tina Turner. I personally welcome homosexuals to worship in church worship and activities but never will agree or accept a same sex marriage in churches nor LGBQT+ clergy on the pulpit. Folks can keep on saying, " Love your neighbor as thy self".. and need to learn to love and accept, etc. The same loving God also can be angry God, a jealous God, etc. Jesus could have welcomed all the vendors selling stuff by the synagogue; instead, he drove the merchants and consumers. Having alphabet soup community clergy onto pulpit is same as having serial killers on death rows to come and preach, and kill ppl and come back next Sunday to preach. several of the UMC folks I know and I are visiting non UMC churches. someone can write a book titled " rise and fall of UMC" or United sodom and gomorrah church.
Leviticus 18:22 " Do not practice homosexuality; it is a detestable sin"
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It's now the United Apostate Church. They should remove the term church from their title since they removed God from their services.
If they hate you know they hated me first--Jesus
I struggle to understand how this is “hate”; God makes it clear this is something that threatens salvation. I don’t say this, but the Bible says it.
Okay... I'm not saying that you hate us queer folks... but a) we don't hate you and b) you're still saying that by loving who we love, we're doing something evil. But I'm sorry, you're wrong... It's hard to say this without asking you to question your faith (which I would never want to do) but love doesn't harm because it can't! I think sometimes, well meaning folks like you focus on the technicalities of scripture but don't see the greatest commandment: to LOVE... and we are capable of selfless, romantic love.
@@KeilyShhh It think the gay community miss understands many Christians. They don’t hate you, they are extending love and concern over a life style that is not tolerated by God. True Christians are more concerned of your salvation as described by Paul in 1 Corinthians 6: 9-10. Paul also says be careful of teachers that want to “tickle your ear” and preach what people want to hear and the true word of God. We must believe the whole Bible, not just the parts we want to believe. Sodom and Gomorrah are a perfect of example of how God fells towards that lifestyle. Blessings
@@davidweigel2238 Thanks for getting back to me. So... what I would say is that I don't see love for me and my community in the bible. Leviticus commands the exc^tion of all of us (for all who lived in old testament times). That's a hloca^st...
And every single Christian on the planet earth always says "Well, Jesus came so now everything's fine because we're under the new covenant"... But time doesn't excuse the hloc^ust that happened in old testament days anymore than it diminishes the impact of the one that happened 80 years ago!!!
Also... lol, I don't know if you care to know this but I struggled with feeling like there's no place for me in this world for me if how I loved is on par with the most evil things in the world. I had to reject the bible in order to know that god does love me!! I didn't see a way out... and I think most queer people have experienced the same thing.
@@davidweigel2238 So, no... the issue isn't the attitudes of Christians towards my community... it's the text of the bible itself.
All sex outside Holy Matrimony is Forbidden by God .It is Sin.
All Sin shall br judged.The wages of Sin is death.
Repent ye. Believe the Gospel.And Obey.
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Proclaim the Truth.The True Gospel.
It us Exclusive not Inclusive.
Jesus said: I am the way, the Truth and the life and no one comes to the Father but by me.
John 14:6
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My oldest child is free to love who she loves. That means God AND her girlfriend.
that's not what Jesus condones he said "Go and sin no more"
Funny this whole thing rests on one word and definition used that even going back to Pauls time never existed. His epistles were written for a time and place that existed 1800 years ago. Homosexuality is a word we invented in the present, it tells us more about how people project their definitions onto the original Koine Greek manuscripts across time then does about what the word actually meant. The word ἀρσενοκοῖται in greek had no clear definition because it doesn't appear anywhere except in the Bible, I'm no supporter of homosexuality but to say that we know this word means "homosexual activity" is just modern day projection.
You cannot change the gospel to fit your own personal desires! God is very clear in the scriptures on how he feels about homosexuality, I mean he destroyed an entire city largely because of the fact that they were committing acts of homosexuality amongst other sins! Jesus will be back soon to punish those that do what they please and do not have the blood protection of Jesus Christ! Your time is almost up people get right with God before it's too late
How many times in the Gospel's did Jesus mention homosexuality? Since he is so clear, why did his son not mention it one time?
@@johngodwin8239 you're looking for a reason to get away with whatever you want to do, that's all you're doing!! I gave you one of the best possible examples in the Bible about not committing acts of homosexuality in the same thread that you just responded to, and you're choosing to look over that fact! I would be willing to bet that you have never even read the Bible in its entirety!!!I bet you, you just googled where does it say in the Bible that you can't be gay and you found out that it doesn't say that exact sentence anywhere and now you feel like you have an argument. God is very clear that sex is between a man and a woman who are married...plain and simple!! God never had to say specifically in the scriptures that you shouldn't put your penis and another man's rectum in order for it to be clear when you read the Bible that he doesn't like that! As human beings we don't even have to read the Bible to know that something is wrong, we are born already knowing what is right and what is wrong! It's in our genetic code...When you're a child and you've lied about something to your parents you will do everything you can to prevent them from finding out that you lied to them because you don't want to get in trouble... It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the fact that the child must have known that it was wrong or else that child wouldn't have the ability to be afraid of getting in trouble for that lie! He wouldn't be afraid if he didn't think he did anything wrong. It's common sense!! Men don't usually come right out as soon as they realize they have a sexual interest in other men because of embarrassment.... You don't have to go to school for psychology to realize that a person cannot be embarrassed about something that is normal or something that is right you can only be embarrassed about something that is wrong or something that is strange!! You can go into all of that woke culture bull crap and talk about the fact that it's the society that's wrong for looking down on homosexuals and they're the ones who are wrong because they are close-minded bigots, if that's what you want to do but you know that that is not true. You were born with a connection to God so you know damn well who is wrong in that situation. People who are doing sexually immoral things(not just homosexuality) even call it 'nasty" and "freaky"...... They are literally putting a proper label on what they are doing and then trying to act like it's normal and the people who disagree or the ones with the problem!
@@child_of_God316 To be honest, I stopped reading after you said I was looking for a way to get away with whatever I want to do, since I literally do absolutely nothing except sit by myself with my dog every day and night and live across the road from my elderly parents. My only interest in this subject is the fact my parents have decided to stop going to their United Methodist affiliated church b/c of all the divisions and arguments this issue has created. I am referring to the Gospel's, which as you should know refer to the writings of the New Testament, which include the words of our Lord Jesus Christ . (you know- all of the red highlighted wording). Jesus was not alive during the Old Testament, which is the one example you use to spread your hatred and division. Scholars have different opinions on what exactly was going on in Sodom and Gomorrah, most believe it had little to do with homosexuality and more to do with gluttony and self-righteous behavior, since there is no mention of men having sex with men or women and women. Whatever. It doesn't matter to me. This is the reason I stopped attending any organized religious church many years ago. It's the complete hypocrisy and picking and choosing scripture to support whatever divisive policy or particular hatred one has for a group of people. Jesus was quite clear- love one another! The Bible has been used to support the use of slavery, denial of women's rights, interracial marriage, etc. I see this may be the last nail in the coffin for organized religion. When you say one thing, but do another it doesn't take too long before people notice and say enough is enough.
@@johngodwin8239 you're not a Christian if you are adding or taking away words from the scripture. You people are pathetic. the ones that are following the scripture are not the ones causing the division one's trying to make up their own version of The Gospel are the ones that are causing the division and I think you know that deep down in your heart. I would hate to be you people on judgment Day. That is such a narcissistic thing to do to accuse other people of doing the same thing that you're doing.... And by the way there was absolutely mention of men having sex together in Sodom the town even tried to rape the only two men that were outsiders that came into the town because they didn't know they were both angels. You clearly do not know the scripture and you're rooting for the devils team and yet you are proclaiming that you are a Christian... That is what is wrong with the world today crappy people like you who are pretending to be Christians!! If you really have been saved and you really have faith in Jesus Christ and I would beg for forgiveness because you are tearing apart the very foundation that he stands for while you proclaim to be one of his followers. God bless you and I hope you get your act together if you are in fact a Christian
First of all, I never proclaimed to be a Christian. It was people like you claiming to be Christians, but judging others and telling them they are going to hell that drove me away from your so-called church of Christ. There is nothing Christ- like in your responses to me. I also learned a long time ago the people who are the loudest opponents of gay people are the ones who have personal issues with their own homosexual desires. They think by screaming so loudly names towards the faggots and queers and demonizing their actions so clearly it will convince everyone of their complete heterosexual lifestyle! You continue to bring up one section of the Old Testament to claim the moral high ground, but Jesus never mentioned anything about gay people, and that is a fact! He said to love one another, and judge not, lest you be judged. I can only pray that you find some peace within yourself to love yourself and others the way Christ would love his children. If you think Christ would call people he has never met on the Internet names and proclaim they are not Christians, while offering absolutely no love and compassion towards his fellow man then you clearly did not read the same teachings of Christ I read. If the Christian church were actually Christ-like, I would have no problem proclaiming to be a Christian. However, if you and your words toward me, a person you have never met and know absolutely nothing about are what Christians are like, then I want no part of that religion.
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‘Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God’
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 , the churches have definitely lost their way from the scriptures, satan has taken over a lot of churches and it’ll only end one way hell bound
The mandate of the church is to worship God and make our lives about him. Beyond the walls of the church we are to live Circumspectly. That is, to work hard at living as we are called to be examples. All such movements are quite the opposite as they march and chant “ I am all about me, validate me.” Christians neither need accepted nor promoted by the world as we have been accepted in the beloved by Christ. What are the methodists thinking?
To be holy requires the absence of sin. Change your ways completely if you desire to enter into my Father's house.
Genesis 1:21-22 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good." And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth." Genesis 1:27-28 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth." Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh." Deuteronomy 22:5
"The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God. Leviticus 20:13 'If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." The death penaltv of Old Testament was done awav with b Messiah Jesus Christ, but not repenting for transgression against GOD's laws will lead to damnation Hell fire. 1 Corinthians
6:9 "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind."Galatians 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ve which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted." I study from Torah and Holy Bible. When innocent blood is shed, this still requires blood for blood.
But what does the Bible say about a man laying with a man? Isn't this the most important question to any church? It should be.
Hate the sin of homosexuality but not the person committing the sin. All sins can be forgiven and Jesus still loves you.
Where does the Bible say that explicitly?
Does not the Word say He hates the wicked?
Is the sin committed attached to the sinner always or does God judge the sinner but leave the sinner free of those actions?
Psalm 11:5
Psalms 5:5
Pslam 145:20
The Word of God says He hated Easu.
This is what happens to many, especially those who condone it within the congregation. God gives them over to the lie.
@@n9wff No... God hates sin because it comes from temptation of satan but he doesn't hate the person committing it. He just wants the person to do better and try and avoid sin.
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I gave you Scripture. Is the Word wrong?
@@n9wff Psalm 11:5 God hates people who love to do wicked sin and violence. So basically he hates people who love to sin and don't feel the least bit sorry for it. You have to be a very evil and wicked person for him to feel this way about you. And it's only because you love the sin you commit.
Psalm 5:5 is basically saying what I described in psalm 11:5
Psalm 145:20 describes what will happen to those people who love wicked sin and continue with it.
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Sin is sin.
It's seems like they are so very interested in getting money from the Church that raised it. Their little saying about disciples. .... Seem to be a go to phrase when what they really want is the Money ....
The Church is not a political party or a democracy. The church is dictated by the bible and the bible clearly states homosexual practices his a sin. So should the thief and murderer and adulterer continue with the practice and be accepted by God and his Church??? No chance. Neither should homosexuality
Conservative Methodists are encouraged to take a radical next step by becoming Biblical Christians.
“Christianity is a rebellion.”
GK Chesterton
Homosexuality = sin. The payment of sin = death.
When subjective doctrinal beliefs takes priority over people, then something is very wrong.
God is not a belief he is real, and if you knew him through Jesus Christ, you would know that they are real. It’s a relationship, not a belief. and if you don’t have the Lord, you don’t have anything SORRY
@@claracox1916 You are defending an “a priori” doctrinal statement. Where is scripture does Jesus say “Have a personal relationship with me,” however Jesus says in scripture, “Let not your hearts be troubled. Believe in God; believe also in me. Matthew 18:6; “Do not let your hearts be troubled. Believe[a] in God; believe also in me,” John 14:1. If you want, I can go on an on. Please know your scriptures.
@@pop-upprayerwithpapaa8250 if your neighbor stands and knocks on your door, are you gonna let them come in?If you have a father, don’t you have a relationship with your father John 14 says a lot. I love the Lord. He loves me. The Lord knocked at my door. I opened it and I let him in and we visit with one another all the time and I like it I’m going to keep it, and I’m sorry for other people that does not have this relationship with the father, the son, and the Holy Spirit.
It is wrong to behave that way it is not acceptable
Yea man! Just think about all Jesus had to say about it!
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@@alanaban3519 Jesus said nothing about it, dude. He said a lot about the poor and marginalized though. I'm sure you're working hard for those communities, right?
Smh compromised
Sorry, but that is not biblical.
Because the church went woke.
What is happening today? LGBTQ can modify religion ? 😂
God did not create homosexuals. God created us in the image of himself. God loves them but he wants them to come to him through his son Jesus Christ who has redeemed them. They can come to church but they cannot change the doctrine of the gospel of Jesus Christ in the Bible.
Totally agree it is wrong in many ways do not twist you words to suit you action but let God word change you
Amen
@Larry Sinclair First of all, you feel that you are holding true to your faith and I understand that and even admire you for it.
Secondly, if I compared your loving relationship with your spouse and (way more importantly), your ABILITY to give and receive love to something so disgusting as molestation or murder... that would not fly.
I LOVE my beautiful wife... Please stop telling us we don't have the right to be offended when you speak about us like we're dogs.
PS, I can show you study after study that shows (on a neurological level) that our feelings of affection and attraction to the same gender are just as real as a straight person's experiences.
Also he give us a free will to do what we want that is humanly posdible and we feel we know better than god
In last few months I have read Mark, Ephesians and Jude! God is up changeable! He is Good! We need to read Gods Word whom we are as flesh and sin and renew our minds by God’s Word, He’s the one who gives us our identity in Christ for our Spirit and Soul to Soar in His Name! Keep running the Race in Absolute Truth!
In other words;
Just tell them/him/her/whatever to get out.
Why should you allow their perverted ways to destroy the church???
Here's another one;
'Should you help the ungodly and should you love them that hate the LORD?
That's why wrath is upon you from before the LORD.'
KJV
Of course we are to love the homosexual person but not their lifestyle. Christians are called to love everyone without prejudice and pray for those who are in darkness.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11-Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
The piece misstates the divide. To be accurate it needs to state the Bible’s position on homosexuality and that traditional churches are inclusive of all persons but support traditional marriage and clergy due to biblical teachings. Progressives are following their approach to the Bible that Jesus did not talk about homosexuality. Conveniently ignoring Jesus first miracle at a wedding between a man and a woman and other scripture. Is the Bible in all its versions the word of God ?
2nd Timothy 4:3
Wow, journalism today is so anemic. Crappy editing, no analysis, clearly no understanding of the issue. Just sound bites with no meaning. Y'all should go back to school kids.
REMEMBER, SIN IS INCLUSIVE!... 😂
Romans 1 ( KJV) Complete Word and your obedience as a Blood Washed Saint " Christian "
Read Jude last book in the Bible before Revelations. Its an easy quick read. With a message that describes what we are dealing with in our Churches and our Schools. There are ungodly people who despise the church and God. We are warned in the bible. Be careful who you let into your church. Why? No one who is coming into a church and especially overseeing a church. They're not comng in without making changes. These ungodly people will implement their own ideologies. With that comes wolves in sheeps clothing. Once you stray away from tne truth of God's word. That church you are in, will come tumbling down spiritually. When you use bricks to build your building. Your foundation is strong, not subject to fall down. But when you build on your own beliefs. Using whatever material you choose, that building, it will fall. This is not to say gay people do not believe in the Lord. But they are not obeying God’s law. God loves his children. But he has given us his perfect word to stand on and when you add your thoughts to God’s word that tower will crumble. Therefore they have no choice but to split and stay true to the Lord, not man.
You cannot change the word of God to fit the world. God made man and woman and said be fruitful and multiply have your eyes opened in the name of Jesus Jesus says go and sin no more
Good video and very well put. The UMC has been a train wreck ever before they became "woke." I was brought up in the UMC. My family have been Methodist for many generations all the way back to the Wesleyan movement in England. My grandfather and great - great grandfather were both Methodist pastors. I imagine they both are rolling over in their graves over this new direction the Church is taking.
I made the decision to leave 20 years ago and aligned with a more conservative and Bible Believing and Teaching Church.
It appears the UMC looks at the Bible like a bag of trail mix - pick out the pieces you like (agree with) and leave (ignore) the rest. Sorry folks, the Bible is the Whole Truth - it does not work that way.
It appears as if their book of Discipline has become their new “Bible” and they can change anything in it to suit their desires.
who in UMC start all these pro lgbtq movement? who r the pro lgbtq, bishops n pastors? how come none of them were mentioned? why they are hiding their identity if they were right? do u have a list?
Jesus will turn the tables on the United Methodist Church. I would hate to think I would be a member when He returns.
Amen to that. My husband and I were married in a methodist church 11 years ago the pastor was amazing he counseled us he did everything by the book I went in there a few years ago to help a girlfriend pick up some things from that church and it is now ran by 2 women which is against The Bible for one and they were a lesbian couple for 2 and I'm sorry but pink haired women running a church we are all in trouble
Jesus started one church
The Roman Catholic Church
Salam, Shlomo, Shalom, Peace.
Paul & Barnabas Were Sworn Enemies, Barnabas Wrote His Monotheistic Gospel, Which Mostly Aligns With The Quran, But The Vatican Has Hidden This Gospel.
Paul Wished For Christianity To Be More Widely Accepted, Thus He Emulated The Greek And Roman Mythological Polytheistic Religions.
The Greek Zeus Became Jesus Son Of Mary.
The Roman Triad Of Juno, Jupiter & Minerva, Became God [Father], Son & Holy Ghost.
This Was Emulated Into The Gospel In The Year 325 AD At The Treaty Of Nicaea, With Roman Constantine.
Both Paul And Barnabas Were Alive 325 Years After Christ, Thus They Did Not Even Know Him.
Proof Of This Is Even Our Days, Months, Years, Star Signs And Planets, Are All Named After Greek And Roman Gods.
Jesus started one church
The Roman Catholic Church
Revelations 22:14-15 Remember
What part of these verses don't u understand?
Leviticus 18:22
Leviticus 20:13
1 Corinthians 6:9
1 Timothy 1:10
Most sins are intermittent, homosexuality is a bold faced continuous practice of sins, if u voted for these ppl, or sympathize with them, u will not escape the punishment as in the day of Sodom n Gomorrah. read ur bible, don't change what the bible said, u will be accounted for what u have practicipated in, as said in ur bible, "wolves in sheep's clothing" r in UMC as said in Matt 7:15, there's no excuse for what u have done. Homosexuality has no place in the kingdom of God no matters how u want of twist or spin it. u will reap what u sowed.
..like in the days of Noah
I won't condem a sinful person but I also won't accept the devievt culture or lifestyle they attached themselves to.
They’ve decided that something that follows natures optimal must be broken because it doesn’t fit or suit their needs. The church has now been attacked, bought and payed for.
Good
My father, Rev. R. Bruce Poynter would have been dismayed to learn of this split. He believed in inclusion of all. Very sad news.
@Duane The Bible doesn't talk about a "homosexual lifestyle", but it does talk about a judgmental lifestyle as in Romans 2. Also, a lifestyle of polygamy was acceptable in Biblical times, and not condemned. You could sell your Daughter as a sex slave as per Exodus 21:7-11.
I am SURE the inclusion your dad believed in did not mean to include those that continued to practice
Lies
Stealing
Not helping those in need
Fornication
Adultery, NOR
homosexuality.
@@Dave-lz3rm Are child molesters born that way? Should we try to change them?
@@Dave-lz3rm The Bible does not say that those are right either-- sale of dau., and pologamy, etc. In the Old and New Testament, God did command "you shall not lie with a man (if you are a man) as you would with a woman; that goes for women too.
But look..now they got a trans pastor how would he feel about that? The pastor dresses in full drag in, sermon. How much inclusión is to much, when you can't tell the world from the church?
It’s been coming for decades. Either we believe the Bible or we don’t. Leviticus 18.
Methogayzist "Church"😂
Jesus told us how to handle homosexuality and if men want to go against
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Jesus said nothing about homosexuality. What he did condemn quite harshly was judging other people.
Actually he did
@Duane this is not a direct reference to homosexuality. Marriage at that time was between a man and woman, though realistically, some men had concubines during g the Biblical era. I am glad we stopped that nonsense, aren't you?
@Duane that is your interpretation. I honestly believe God made all in his or her image. God also loves people as they are. Jesus was harsher on religious zealots that excluded people rather than embracing those who judged others and held fast to rules. Remember, he hung out with those the righteous people condemned.
@Duane we differ on what is a sin. I see two consenting adults making a lifetime commitment as not a sin at all.
@Duane Jesus also said not to judge people. That is the whole point of Roman, the gospels had many passages about it too. .I take the Bible seriously, and I see Jesus as one who criticized the pious people who used religion as a weapon to hurt others. I will not discuss this anymore. Enjoy life in the GMC. I will be remaining in the UMC. Go in peace.
The guidance comes from the Bible. To be true to the Bible means no to the world. How can churches accept LGBT things and remain true to the Bible.
Amen . My husband and I were married in a message church in central Texas 11 years ago that church was ran by The Bible by the book literally I went in there last year to help a friend out and now the churches ran by 2 women that are partners as in they are lesbian partners both had pink hair Sorry women do not belong for one as pastors and for 2 this goes against everything The Bible says
The bible is BS. Hope you open your eyes someday
We are called to reject all sins. This is just a small thing among things.
That's right. "Be ye holy for I AM holy" says the Lord God Yehovah.
@Larry Sinclair You're still saying that by loving who we love, we're doing something so incredibly evil. But I'm sorry, you're wrong... It's hard to say this without asking you to question your faith (which I would never want to do) but love doesn't harm because it can't! I think sometimes, well meaning folks focus on the technicalities of scripture but don't see the greatest commandment: to LOVE... and we are capable of selfless, romantic love.
If you say homosexuality is not a sin, than everything else in the following list can not be considered sin any longer, for consistency sake;
1 Corinthians,6:9-10-Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
Hail Satan!
Could the bible be WRONG??? Yes it can, and in lots of ways.
No no you want to have you own way and the scriptures do not all you to have
@@alanaban3519 When it compares our choices to be with someone we LOVE to unspeakable actions (like murder or molestation)... k0smon is right! Love is love and it can't harm no matter what your antiquated book says.
BTW, if I said the same things about you and your ability to love, that would not fly. So why would you think that us queer folks aren't allowed to be offended? We aren't dogs... we're people!
@@KeilyShhh thanks I like how you describe the book / what a sad thing/ not because a book is old it mean that we cannot learn from it / it has many things to teach us. That is one of the problem like charge repel each other it is unnatural for like charge to attract each other. Love is to point out to the one you love when they are going the wrong way. We correct our children in love which is sometimes contrary to they likeing
@@alanaban3519 You correct them in love according to the bible? Okay, let's keep things biblical... Leviticus 20:13 calls for the exc^tion of my entire community (in old testament times). If your child lived back in those days and was gay, they would have been snuffed out in that hloca^st... You don't have to care about me but when it comes to your children, is that really what you'd want??
BTW, Don't give me this crap of "Well Jesus came so we're under the new covenant now". Time doesn't excuse the hloc^ust that happened in old testament days anymore than it diminishes the impact of the one that happened 80 years ago.
Who decree what is right and what is wrong / the creator do not all sin to go unpunish according to his will that is y they will be judgment / we cannot fully understand God because of our infinite nind / God is not
Omg the woman "pastor" said it all when she was talking she started out saying I thi then caught herself and said we think. There in lies the problem these so called pastors putting their opinions and beliefs ahead of scripture.
A Methodist is simply a Baptist that can read.
Woke United Methodist
History is going to repeat self, and he’s coming not everybody is going to say Jesus. The Bible said that they will say depart for me that I don’t know you you’re wicked. You better be ready to meet Jesus.
my family was some of the first students in the Methodist church when it was still a club and they came to upstate ny to help set up churches and after I came out of the closet and married my husband my family has cut all ties to this hatred church I had family who are world renown leaders in bible doctrine and study for many institutions and they can find that there is no true evidence of homosexuality in the original translations it is all modern interpretation that has been set a drift and I'm not ashamed for leaving my church my community left because it's what is right and now I practice a traditional religion my native American ancestors practice that is more welcoming and I feel a more spiritual connection and a belonging to my gods
The Bible did not lose or change translation. The Holy Spirit is the writer using the voice and pen of prophets and scribes who believe in a Holy God. What books and research have you done? or you just believe what someone else said. Don't blame your believing family; you are the only one who's made the choice to live a lbgtq lifestyle.
@@hardej4272 I never chose to be gay being gay is a genetic disposition I would rather choose to believe my family who are bible scholars who study the language and the document humans for hundreds of years couldn't read or write so they went to church to be educated by a minister if you ever played the game phone you know the message changes from the original word or phrase the original translation is the original translation and the fact is the language in the bible has been changed to fit modern homophobic perspectives how do we go from a bible where it said a man should not lay with a boy to the verse saying a man should not lay with another man it ha two different meanings
@@GAYRURALGUY Why throw tantrum telling people, who dont support the lgbtq lifestyle, bigots or homophobes. There is no such thing as "gay babies". They were either born a baby boy or a baby girl. Gay is a lifestyle not "biological sex".
@@red37i59 your sexuality is based on genetics it is determined when the egg and sperm combines that creates the human being yes I chose not to oppress my natural biological urges why would u hide anything that makes you who you are why would I want to marry a woman who I could not fully love someone who I'm not attracted to why would I marry women when I probably would chose to cheat on her with man and have relations that I enjoy I live my life happy I love my husband and I'm building a beautiful life with him i left my religion and i felt a spiritual calling for my new religion and I feel like I have a connection and I'm excepted for being gay and there's nothing wrong with it in the religion because people dont care about running your lives
@@GAYRURALGUY how do you explain 1 Corinthians 6: 9-10? Good news read vs 11…the ball is in your court as they say.